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Speaker 1: Well, it is Friday morning, it is time for the

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Speaker 1: week that was, and joining me in the studio this morning,

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Speaker 1: the colp is Bill Yam. Good morning to you, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Good morning Katy. Great have you in the studio. From

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Speaker 1: nine News Star when we've got Georgie Dickerson, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you, George in morning Katie, good to have you

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Speaker 1: in here. The Independent Member for Goida, Kezia Puric, good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning to my Bush people.

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Speaker 1: And from the Labor Party we have got the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General and Minister for various portfolios.

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Speaker 3: Chancy Paig, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning Katy. In a shout out to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Tuned in, Chancey, I'm glad you're back. I wasn't sure

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Speaker 3: if you'd.

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Speaker 1: Come back and chat to me this morning after our

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Speaker 1: interesting interview earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: Can't pick up my chance.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, Katie, always happy to have a good good.

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Speaker 1: Yarn absolutely Hey, there is so much to cover off

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Speaker 1: on this morning, and a week is a long time

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Speaker 1: in politics.

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Speaker 3: There is no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: We kicked the week off with the Northern Territory opposition

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Speaker 1: obviously continuing those calls on the government to provide documents

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Speaker 1: to show whether Chancey Pake, the Deputy Chief Minister, declared

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Speaker 1: in cabin that he held shares in a company involved

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Speaker 1: we've spoken extensively about that today. Well, the COLP facing

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Speaker 1: is facing dangerous driving charges after a crash involving a

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Speaker 1: reported that mister Burgoyne was involved in the incident. Sources

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Speaker 1: provided the statement saying that the Member for Braitling was

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Speaker 1: He's currently going through the usual and proper process and

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Speaker 1: the Member for Braitling has cooperated fully with the traffic Police. Now,

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Speaker 1: these are very different incidents, very different situations. But you know,

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Speaker 1: and now we've got a situation where it seems as

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Speaker 1: though the CLP has hidden something bill since August last year.

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Speaker 2: People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones, Old Bush saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone in politics throws stones, don't they.

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Speaker 5: But you're right, okay, it's a two very very different

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Speaker 5: instances that we were talking with Chancey this week. You're

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Speaker 5: buying those shares in met cash. A few months before,

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Speaker 5: of course the stronger futures lapsed and we see those

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Speaker 6: All at alcohol coming into our community.

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Speaker 5: So that's an integrity issue around cabinet and decision making.

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Speaker 5: What we've seen here is the issue with Josh. Of

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Speaker 5: course again it's certainly a matter of public interest and

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Speaker 5: it's something that we're working through of course with our wing.

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Speaker 6: And I believe there's some further statements.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have just received a statement from Leofanocchiaro. Now

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Speaker 1: it says the Member for Braitling was involved in a

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Speaker 1: August twenty twenty three. Was it in Alice Springs or

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Speaker 1: was it in Alice Springs? He informed me at the time,

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Speaker 1: this statement quickly, he informed me at the time, and

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Speaker 1: my immediate concern was for the safety of all those involved,

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Speaker 1: particularly his heavily pregnant wife, who was in the car.

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Speaker 1: Police and ambulance attended the accident as per the usual

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Speaker 1: an amazing job responding to investigating. This private matter for

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Speaker 1: Josh and his family will become public if he is charged,

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Speaker 3: I mean, so, has he been charged, Well, it's still unclear.

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Speaker 7: But even if Leo had found out last week, that

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Speaker 3: It should have been clear cut.

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Speaker 7: As you know, we have had this situation let's get

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Speaker 5: My understanding is that I think josh was only contact

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Speaker 1: So well, yeah, that's what that statement says. Sure it was,

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Speaker 1: That's what that statement says. And look, I understand that,

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Speaker 3: Is kept safe. But look, the whole point of this

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Speaker 1: That you do need to be on the front foot,

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Speaker 1: But for a week where where this CLP has indeed

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Speaker 2: What I mean, all that Joshua, the Member for Bratley,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing before the chair and members have often done

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Speaker 2: personal statements about something. You know, someone said something about

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Speaker 2: them it was incorrect, so they do a personal statement

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Speaker 2: he could have done that. He could have done it

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Speaker 5: And of course those charges will be will be made public,

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm a little bit confused because in the initial

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Speaker 4: What do you know this is?

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Speaker 8: But this is first and foremost leaf Andochiaro and the

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Speaker 8: this is a bit rich to will let me finish.

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Speaker 8: For over six months, Josh Burgoyne knew of this episode.

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Speaker 8: but he has hidden it from territorians for over six months.

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Speaker 4: Now here's the difference. What I was in the media.

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Speaker 8: For this week has been actually open and declared and

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Speaker 4: So you and Leah and the CLP are a bunch

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Speaker 8: You cannot talk about being open and transparent when you

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Speaker 4: Incident in Alice Springs cause no credibility in hires criminal

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Speaker 1: It is you know, it's it's going to be a

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Speaker 7: And he does have a court date though, so he

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Speaker 7: would have had to have been charged charges.

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Speaker 1: Understanding is that he has been charged. It did happen

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Speaker 8: Trying to cover it up with that statement, if he

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Speaker 2: Katie, think one question, and maybe there's someone who's listening

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Speaker 2: that can help us, who's in the police. Is the

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Speaker 2: being charged with reckless driving? Now they're both serious, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one is more serious. So if

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Speaker 2: charged with reckless driving, that's very serious as well, and

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Speaker 2: generally from my limited knowledge, as you would the leads

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Speaker 2: So perhaps danger's driving is the higher level.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, hopefully I didn't read that statement out wrong,

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Speaker 1: no further information regarding charges. So they're saying the Leah's

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Speaker 9: So but first of all, who would believe Lea when

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Speaker 1: Had been guest to play devils after jo believe you

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Speaker 8: To remember for Goid just said Josh had the opportunity

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Speaker 8: the Member for Daily, So he knows the processes. He

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Speaker 5: What he a personal statement on whether or not you

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Speaker 4: I've been publicly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been on the record for over two years

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Speaker 8: my disclosure.

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Speaker 1: You want to we will, certainly we are going to

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Speaker 1: get into the Shares scandal in a moment, but I

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Speaker 1: involving Josh Berglewin because I think that it is incredibly

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Speaker 1: important that we know exactly what's going on here. It's

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Speaker 1: incredibly important that all of our politicians are held to account.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're in opposition or whether you are an independent,

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Speaker 7: Now, I thought he did have a court date set

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Speaker 7: for around I believe it was March four. People have

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Speaker 7: said so he has been charged. So if Leea's statement

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't believe anything that she says.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, if you can check on the court

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Speaker 5: list for March fourth and supers well, well.

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Speaker 1: We'll be able to see whether it's on there. And look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to be quite clear here. I

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Speaker 1: think that you know, the situation is not that the

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Speaker 1: traffic crash has happened. I mean, yes, that is very

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Speaker 1: serious in my eyes, and everybody needs to make sure

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Speaker 1: that they are following the rules of the law. But

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Speaker 1: the fact here is that the CLP has been absolutely

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Speaker 1: you know, giving it to Chancey this week and rightly

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Speaker 1: so he deserves it.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get to that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that you know that this has

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a motivehicle crash always last year, and okay,

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Speaker 5: there's motivehicle crashes happened all the time, Katie, but there

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Speaker 2: But Katie, I heard that interview with yourself and Chancey

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Speaker 3: It sounds like you might be going to Gizier.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like I was just saying about.

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Speaker 6: It's fairly simple. It's a yes or no.

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Speaker 4: I did again.

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Speaker 8: I have declared those interests on the members registerable Interests.

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Speaker 4: I did it the day it happened.

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Speaker 4: It needs to be reviewed.

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Speaker 3: So is that something that you did.

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Speaker 8: Nicole Madison absolutely has declared that again, I have always

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Speaker 4: With this and again I'm being absolutely clear.

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Speaker 8: But stronger futures, much strong future was that she removed

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Speaker 7: Diventary it needs to change so that there is you know,

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Speaker 8: And the Chief Ministers made it clear that that's what

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Speaker 4: And again I'll make it one hundred percent clear.

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Speaker 8: Stronger Futures was not Northern Territory government legislation.

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Speaker 4: It was legislation.

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Speaker 8: Which make a great point, great point, and I need

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Speaker 8: to clear this up right now. Stronger Futures came in

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Speaker 1: In these issues though then as well. I mean, can

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Speaker 8: I have always declared that amongst all of my colleagues

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Speaker 8: Want to be really clear here, tenders are managed by

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Speaker 8: has certainly not happened. All procurement happens at a department

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Speaker 1: Would you have been aware of any tenders being awarded

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 8: Tenders are not announced until they are announced to the

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea why the information pertaining to

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Speaker 3: It's not been listed.

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Speaker 4: But Katie, their questions for the.

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Speaker 8: I think Keasier and Bill will be able to talk

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Speaker 1: Look, I would certainly hope not and I think that

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Speaker 8: Even if a tender had gone through the Legislative Assembly.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm really hoping that we are actually able to

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Speaker 3: To be upfront and honest right from the get go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do just want to know to finish

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 5: If it's been the conduct in the cabin Handbook is

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Speaker 5: And we're talking about tenders and bits and pieces. I'm

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Speaker 6: The Department Health, the Department justs.

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Speaker 5: So the Candahaan book is quite clear on this fact.

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Speaker 5: If it could be a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 3: Get rid of them and look and like we see it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really you know, hearing from the Ikak

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Speaker 1: conflicts of interest in the Northern Territory. There is no

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Speaker 8: Accepting that, accepting there's this review being underway. Ironic that

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Speaker 1: As soon as you became Chief Minister, you sold jors

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Speaker 8: I might have been required to act on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Proceeding times in your role as the Minister for Town

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Speaker 1: Camps it may have been seen that there was that

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Speaker 1: conflict as well.

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Speaker 8: I've always declared Katie, and I will continue to do.

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Speaker 3: You won't say whether you did in the cabinet meeting because.

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Speaker 4: Because I can't, I will not break cabinet. I will

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Speaker 4: not break.

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Speaker 1: It from if we heard it from Nicole Madison that

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Speaker 1: she removed herself in the discussions about the grandstand, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call it it's bullshit that you can't say whether

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Speaker 1: you did or did I'm going.

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Speaker 4: To call it that.

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Speaker 8: This situation is completely different and this situation I have

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Speaker 8: always declared things. This is a situation that we have.

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Speaker 8: There's a review going underway. This is a completely separate

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Speaker 8: situation to myself and the Member for Breatley.

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Speaker 4: I'm not facing every time.

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Speaker 6: If Tom is a problem, Lib calls a.

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Speaker 1: Review, all right, we're going to have to take a

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Speaker 1: quick break that.

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Speaker 4: First criminal charges.

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Speaker 1: It has been a massive week and it kicked off

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Speaker 1: with the Northern Territory Chief Minister Evil Lawla promising a

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Speaker 1: review of youth justice laws and three new youth detention

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Speaker 1: camps in a public address outlining her priorities for.

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Speaker 3: The year ahead.

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Speaker 1: So she spoke to a crowd on Monday morning and

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Speaker 1: also announced a large extension to the Casarina Coastal Reserve.

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Speaker 1: Her main focus so was getting on getting all Territorians

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Speaker 1: who can work well, getting them to work. What did

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Speaker 1: you think of the Chief Minister's Year ahead speech?

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Speaker 3: Was it? You know, I did it really give you

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Speaker 3: that amp up that you need for the year.

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Speaker 7: I think it was good With the youth justice in

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Speaker 7: terms of it. I would like to see how it's

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Speaker 7: actually going to work though. Obviously the residential facilities, you know,

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Speaker 7: are kids. Who's going to go there, who's going to staff?

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Speaker 7: I think the main thing is who's actually going to

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Speaker 7: staff it because there's always questions around we have not

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Speaker 7: enough police officers territory for families.

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Speaker 3: Things like that.

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Speaker 7: So working out who's actually going to staff these facilities

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Speaker 7: will be key. And you know, I think we've spoken

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Speaker 7: a lot about you know, sentencing these kids and they need.

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Speaker 3: Skills after it.

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Speaker 7: So how that is actually clear cut going to work?

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Speaker 7: So once these kids are in the system, do they

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Speaker 7: have a clear path forward so they don't go back

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Speaker 7: into that cycle.

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Speaker 5: But Georgie, some of these are just rehashes of old promises,

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Speaker 5: like the promise to do the youth facility in Tenant

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Speaker 5: Creek I believe was made back in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 5: and we're coming into twenty twenty four and we're finally

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Speaker 5: seeing some movement on it. So I think some of

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Speaker 5: a lot of this is a lot of little too

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Speaker 5: a little too late, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I listened to some of it the Chief Minister's speech,

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Speaker 2: and trying to get people into jobs is very admirable

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Speaker 2: because there's no doubt about it. Employment of any kind

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Speaker 2: gives people purpose, It gives them finances to do things

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Speaker 2: that they wish to do. But the tricky thing is

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Speaker 2: getting real jobs in remote communities and not just sort

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Speaker 2: of half baked gammon jobs. You know, Like if they're

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Speaker 2: going to provide real jobs, then they've got to be

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Speaker 2: a real industry. And it's right, and I mean there

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Speaker 2: are lots of jobs in Aboriginal communities and around, you know,

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Speaker 2: and they basically come from the mining industry, the partial industry,

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Speaker 2: in the seafood industry and tourism. So they are the

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Speaker 2: industries that have to be boosted that will allow people

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Speaker 2: to get well.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing I think that when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about jobs, we don't want to like, you know, you

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Speaker 1: want to create. You want to create job opportunities in

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Speaker 1: every community.

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Speaker 3: No matter where you are.

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Speaker 1: And I know that those different job opportunities are going

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Speaker 1: to differ on the kind of industries that are around.

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Speaker 1: But when some communities the only hope of a job

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Speaker 1: is within, you know, the health clinic or within the

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Speaker 1: different services that are available, and they are wonderful clinics,

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Speaker 1: they are wonderful places to work, but there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of jobs.

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Speaker 4: You know, Yes, I think just a few parts. You know.

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Speaker 8: I take bills comments around this stuff, but I want

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Speaker 8: to be really clear. Ei Lawla is a straight talker,

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Speaker 8: she's fair di income and she's action orientated in her

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Speaker 8: political career and her professional career before entering parliament as

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Speaker 8: an educator. Eva Lawla gets shited done and she's gonna

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Speaker 8: get it done. I've got absolute confidence in her doing that.

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Speaker 8: She's made a clear stamp. Georgie talks about these camps.

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Speaker 8: They're actually going to be run by territory families, so

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Speaker 8: we know that they're running, and they're going to be

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Speaker 8: offered to do partnerships with Aboriginal organizations and other organizations

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Speaker 8: in the community to partner to come in.

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Speaker 4: And run those programs.

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Speaker 8: Keysy makes the point the address was about getting people working.

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Speaker 8: It's not about jobs. We talk about jobs, jobs, jobs.

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Speaker 8: There's plenty of jobs in the territory. Let's get these

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Speaker 8: mob into these jobs. And you know, the Commonwealth finally

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Speaker 8: finally come out with an announcement this week three thousand

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Speaker 8: jobs to replace parts of CDP, which is now going

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Speaker 8: to enable organizations across the territory health clinics, councils, NGOs

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Speaker 8: to apply to create persitions where then they can get

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Speaker 8: people into those positions where they're paying a minimum wage,

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Speaker 8: wages and conditions. Now that's great news for me, that's

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Speaker 8: great news for Bill and Namajura because it's about getting

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Speaker 8: people off CDP, off welfare dependency into a real job.

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Speaker 4: But as we all talk about here, it's got to.

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Speaker 8: Be meaningful employment, as Keysy said, can't be a gam

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Speaker 8: and job like a come here and paint a rock

554
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Speaker 8: for a week. No, come here and deliver services in

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Speaker 8: the clinic or in a school or in that So

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Speaker 8: that's you know, nt members of all political sites, we've

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Speaker 8: got to see what the Commonwealth is going to do

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Speaker 8: and how that's going to roll out.

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Speaker 5: One particular thing out of the Chief Minister speech this

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Speaker 5: week was the review into the Youth Justice Act. Now,

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Speaker 5: it was Labor that played around with this act back

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Speaker 5: in the day and we're seeing sadly some of the

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Speaker 5: results of those changes.

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Speaker 6: Now all of a sudden, we're going to do.

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Speaker 5: A review and go back into the act, which has

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Speaker 5: been a disaster of their own making.

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Speaker 6: Well was taking this long? I think a lot of

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Speaker 6: people have been calling for a review.

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Speaker 5: And angels to the youth justice Zach could try and

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Speaker 5: turn around what we're seeing, and now you've been winging.

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Speaker 4: You're not happy to fix problem.

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Speaker 1: What I want to do is take a really quick

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Speaker 1: break because I do want to delve a little bit

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Speaker 1: more into the into that review announcement, but also a

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Speaker 1: little bit more into some of what's actually happening in

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Speaker 1: Queensland at the moment where they've got a situation where

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Speaker 1: they've got police who are saying that they're too scared

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Speaker 1: to go to work because there are youths who are

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Speaker 1: running an absolute mark and are able to get away

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Speaker 1: with it. So I do want to just talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit more about that. In just a moment's time,

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Speaker 1: you are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us this morning, we've got Billy

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Speaker 1: and Georgie Dickinson, Keesy Epuric and Chancey Paiker in the studio. Now,

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Speaker 1: as we just touched on, there has been announced by

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Chief Minister a review into well a

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Speaker 1: review really into the way in which we're doing things

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Speaker 1: within youth justice. So the Chief Minister as outlined the

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Speaker 1: Territory government's planned to curb youth crime, support victims, keep

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Speaker 1: offenders accountable and provide a pathway of skills, training and education.

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Speaker 3: For our young people.

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Speaker 1: Now, there is quite a bit to take in on this,

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Speaker 1: but I want to also take you to an incident

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Speaker 1: that our Northern Territory Police had to deal with yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So in the early hours of yesterday, the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police responded to a report of an incident involving multiple

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Speaker 1: stolen vehicles in Winnelli. Those vehicles are confirmed to be

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Speaker 1: owned by local business and prompted an immediate investigation by

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Speaker 1: Strikeforce Trident.

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Speaker 3: Now through community information.

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Speaker 1: Strikeforce Trident then identified the youth offenders involved, all of

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Speaker 1: whom were already known to police under electronic monitoring device

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Speaker 1: now utilizing the EMD tracking, Strikeforce Trident with the support

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Speaker 1: of Dog Operations, that Dog Operations Unit and the Darwin

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Speaker 1: traffic operations. They initiated several pursuits across the Greater Darwin region.

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Speaker 1: One pursuit was terminated due to safety concerns arising from

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Speaker 1: excessive speed and dangerous driving. It included the stolen motor

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Speaker 1: vehicle deliberately ramming a police car and throwing bottles of

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Speaker 1: liquor at all police vehicles involved. Now, in a subsequent pursuit,

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Speaker 1: that stolen motor vehicle continued with that reckless behavior and

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Speaker 1: rammed a second police vehicle. Despite the daring actions, the

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Speaker 1: two police vehicles sustained moderate panel damage but remained operational,

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Speaker 1: so that pursuit then concluded in the Palmerston area, where

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Speaker 1: the tire deflation devices were utilized as a result. So

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Speaker 1: there is more to it, as in like more work

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Speaker 1: that the police did. But as a result, three youths

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Speaker 1: aged thirteen remain in police custody and are expected to

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Speaker 1: be charged later yesterday. So I'm not one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: sure whether they have been charged at this point.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe they've been charged, Okay, not.

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Speaker 1: Yet, but two other youths have been identified in the offending,

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Speaker 1: with further arrests and charges expected. So this is the

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Speaker 1: kind of incident that our Northern Territory police are dealing

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Speaker 1: with on a fairly regular occurrent skadie.

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Speaker 2: The theft of cars from premises is commonplace, even big

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Speaker 2: wire fences, lock gates, even guard dogs in the premises.

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Speaker 2: What's happened out at Georgina Crescent. Andrew Johnson's got a

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Speaker 2: mechanical shop there.

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Speaker 5: R and M.

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Speaker 2: Auto's great shop. Hello Andrew, and he's had to put

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Speaker 2: all the cars like you put your car in it

633
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Speaker 2: takes about three or four days to get fixed whatever,

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Speaker 2: and usually some of the cars can be left outside

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Speaker 2: the lock shed. But what is has to do, what

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Speaker 2: he has to do now is put all the cars

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Speaker 2: in the lock shed, or he rings you and says

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Speaker 2: your car is ready, you have to get it today,

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Speaker 2: because he's got a hold.

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Speaker 6: The responsibility of having that's right and tell people that.

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Speaker 2: And he's been really disappointed in how the labor governments

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Speaker 2: responded to this. But they cut through the fence. So

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Speaker 2: they've got bolt cutters, they've got the equipment, and they

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Speaker 2: stealing cars, you know, and they let the dogs out,

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Speaker 2: and so they don't leave the dogs there anymore. Not

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Speaker 2: not vicious dogs, just guard watch dogs. So they're cutting

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Speaker 2: through the fences and they're stealing cars. Is a commonplace

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Speaker 2: out in that Parmesan industrial area and.

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Speaker 4: They steal it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Nick was during the night.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't surprise me. And look, I should be.

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Speaker 2: I think the book thrown at.

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Speaker 7: These kids were already they already had electronic monitoring devices,

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Speaker 7: the reading. They've all got angle bracelets, which I think

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Speaker 7: is even more concerning. And given their age that these kids.

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Speaker 1: By old bloody merry go round and it's it's frightening, right,

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Speaker 1: it's really frightening to themselves and to everybody else in

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Speaker 1: the community that you've got thirteen year olds behind the

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Speaker 1: wheel of a car, you know, like it's incredibly scary.

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Speaker 5: And we see the same say the same things in

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Speaker 5: Central Australia. But what's happening in Central Australia now It

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Speaker 5: is becoming more brazen. So they're actually stealing the cars

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Speaker 5: and not using them that night hot So cars stolen,

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Speaker 5: car stolen weeks ago, it's stashed away and a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks later they're out in the car. We're seeing

666
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Speaker 5: that reasonably regularly now, So that's that's planning. Yeah, it's

667
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: really horrendous and it's so dangerous. We had a death

668
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: in l Springs a while ago at the main traffic lights.

669
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 5: Kids in a stolen car run a red light and

670
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Speaker 5: kill gentleman. I'm sadly I'm waiting for that to possibly

671
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: happen again, and we've got to do something to stop

672
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 5: this because if we don't, we're going to see another

673
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: death on our streets, whether it's an innocent bystander or

674
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Speaker 5: one of these kids in a stylen vehicle, We're going

675
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Speaker 5: to see another tragedy and a fatality very soon.

676
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Speaker 1: Well and in Queensland, right so I want to just

677
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: take you to this article in Queenslander.

678
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Speaker 8: It's important to just acknowledge, yes, this is a real

679
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 8: issue across every corner of the territory that we need

680
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 8: to do this work in and people just throw cheap

681
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 8: lines that we need more engine and mobilizers. That's not

682
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 8: going to solve the problem. What is going to solve

683
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 8: the problem is tackling the root causes of crime. But

684
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 8: I just want to acknowledge a shout out to the

685
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 8: Northern Territory Police who continued the pursuit, who continue to

686
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 8: actually provide to the options to do that pursuit in

687
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 8: a safe manner. But you know, we've got to give

688
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 8: it to our territory police. They continue to work in

689
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 8: day and day out, regardless of the challenge, and we

690
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 8: just need to acknowledge that Katie will go on.

691
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: The work that they are facing at the moment is

692
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous. So that's the reason I want to take

693
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: you to this article in Queensland right so in the

694
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: Courier Mail it it's being reported that frontline police officers

695
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: are calling in sick. They're refusing to go out in

696
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: marked police cars and don't want to walk the streets

697
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: at night out of fear of being targeted by young criminals.

698
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: Now the officers across the state have opened up about

699
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: the ongoing youth crime crisis in Golfing Queensland and they're

700
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: frustrations with the revolving door of the Children's Court, which

701
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: they claim is doing little to ease the crisis.

702
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: So the fed up police.

703
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Spoke out after respecting Gold Coast District duty officer Aaron

704
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Ottaway was stood down for allegedly authorizing officers to ram

705
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: a stolen car that police say was driven by an

706
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: armed teened offender on a crime rampage.

707
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: So you know, I guess the thing that people are.

708
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Wanting right now as well is that support for the

709
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Northern Territory police, because if we've got a situation in

710
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: places like Queensland where police are second guessing how they

711
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: deal with these kinds of situations, I mean, somebody's and

712
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't know the details exactly around that one, but

713
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: where somebody is then authorized for them to be able

714
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: to continue to apprehend a vehicle that's ramming them and

715
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: then you're worried about whether you're going to get in trouble.

716
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: This is you know, like, this is a really very

717
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: difficult situation for police.

718
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: It goes back to some of the stuff that's been

719
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 5: in those police surveys.

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00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 6: Over the last few years, Katie.

721
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: That the police have lost faith somewhat back in their

722
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: executive back in the day, but also with the lost

723
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 5: faith in the government because they weren't seeing that support

724
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: when they were doing their duty.

725
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 6: So that's turning around now.

726
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 5: I said, we did see some changes in that survey,

727
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 5: but there's still a lot of police that certainly don't

728
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: feel supportive, I think, but.

729
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: I think it's also if they feel they're not supported.

730
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: That's one part of it. But the other part is like,

731
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: not everyone is a perfect, really good driver. So you know,

732
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: while all these police are trained well and to very

733
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: high standard, not everyone is a brilliant driver. So even

734
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: in doing the pursuit, they're putting their loan lives at

735
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: risk because they've got to watch every We're apart from chasing,

736
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: chasing among all kids. But sometimes the police probably are

737
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: fed up with their jobs because of the nature of

738
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: the job now compared to say ten twelve.

739
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: But also what they're saying is that they feel the

740
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: youth justice system there is letting them down.

741
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: And so I think the point that we need to touch opportunity.

742
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 8: I mean, even Bill has just acknowledged right here, right

743
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 8: now that with Brent Potter coming in, with all the

744
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 8: work with the Police review involving people being change change

745
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 8: what you just said.

746
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: Mate, there's turn around.

747
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 8: We've got a police minister who backs in our police.

748
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 8: There is that work. You've got the Chief Minister, Evia

749
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 8: laula fared income territory and straight talker, has invited the

750
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 8: CELP and Territorians to have input into the youth system's

751
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 8: reform because she knows she's frustrated. You're frustrated, the community

752
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 8: is frustrated, the CLP is frustrated.

753
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 4: Enough, let everyone be part of a.

754
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 8: Conversation and a solution where we can drive changes because

755
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 8: we know that we can all work together to get

756
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 8: a better result.

757
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: In the beers any frustration And you know, I'm keen

758
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: to get everybody's perspective on this, but do you think

759
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: there's any frustration then when it comes to you know,

760
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: the police obviously apprehending these people, you know you've got

761
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: a situation in this, in this most recent incident, and

762
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: I know we can't go into specifics of that, but

763
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: we're they've already got those electronic monitoring devices on their

764
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: rainkles where somewhere the system is letting us down.

765
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 4: But that's why this works happening, Katy, because.

766
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: The court system where is that where.

767
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 8: This is what this process is going to highlight everyone's

768
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 8: good an opportunity.

769
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 4: So it's not just people saying, ah, it's just you mob. No,

770
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: it's it's.

771
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 8: Labor, it's COLP, it's community members, it's stakeholders. Everyone can

772
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 8: actually identify where they think there are issues and we

773
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 8: can look at reform that the Parliament can embark on changing.

774
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 4: If it's legislative or if it's a system review.

775
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 8: Because we need to stop this cycle of reoffending and

776
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 8: we need to be doing it. And I'm actually thankful

777
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 8: that we've got funding from the Commonwealth to look at

778
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 8: this screening because most of these kids that we're talking

779
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 8: about kids have either ADHD or faz D or some

780
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 8: disorder that we actually need to tackle the little kids,

781
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 8: but they're walking.

782
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: In allow them to continue to write a veticle will

783
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: put other people in danger.

784
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 7: It's frustrating because I think from a community point of view,

785
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 7: it feels like there is always reviews from both parties.

786
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 7: So we've got the police review underway at the moment,

787
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 7: that will still be another few weeks at least before

788
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 7: that's released, and then you know, it's months until there's

789
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 7: action from that. Now we've got the Youth Justice review

790
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 7: months after that, so I feel like it's just a

791
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 7: continuing circle of reviews that frustrates.

792
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: To the CLP called for those reviews for a while.

793
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 5: We're not going to see the results of this Youth

794
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 5: Justice Sect review until after the election. Choice choice as

795
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 5: Georgie's changes in the Youth Justice Sect that we're implemented

796
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 5: by Labe years ago.

797
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: Jesus, you have no credibility in this space. Mate.

798
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 8: When you were in government, you caused us to have

799
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 8: a Royal Commission into the Protection and Attention of Young

800
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 8: People in the Territory that costs the territory two hundred

801
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 8: and fifty million. Your policy settings under that four years

802
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 8: then required us to take.

803
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 6: The credibility issues.

804
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 5: I'm going to commissions when you're in going.

805
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: To point out that we're now in a situation though,

806
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: where the Northern Territory government is sort of picking and

807
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: choosing them what recommendations they do move forward with that

808
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Royal Commission, and one of those I know is the.

809
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: Changes to the Children's Commissioner role.

810
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: Now we understand that the legislation is going to change

811
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: that will see the Children's Commissioner, some are reporting, become

812
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: a race based role. Now, I want to point out

813
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: that the person who is currently in that position has

814
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: been chosen well and truly before this legislation has been introduced.

815
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: She is an Indigenous woman, but very very qualified for

816
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: this job and absolutely deserving of that job. So I

817
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: want to separate that very much from the discussion that

818
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: we're about to have.

819
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Katie I recall and chance he could correct me if

820
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I recall that the recommendation was for there

821
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: to be two commissioners, one of Aboriginal descent and one

822
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: of not Aboriginal descent and some other descent which may

823
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: or may be Aboriginal but doesn't have to be. So

824
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: that was a recommendation. But to just go forward with

825
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: one commissioner who must be that means you're legislating a

826
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 2: kind of person to be in a job rather than

827
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: putting a person there.

828
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: On queries, I want to ask, is this going to

829
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: open us up down the track to potentially sent Well,

830
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: it's a precedent, and I don't understand why it's got

831
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: to be legislated, like I don't understand what it needs

832
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: to be in the actual legislation.

833
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: What happened when we set up that treaty legislation and

834
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: had Mick Dodson as the treaty commissioner.

835
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: They named him.

836
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: In the legislation. That's why they couldn't when he had

837
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: to move because of inappropriate behavior. That's why they could

838
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: only have an acting commissioner because his name was in

839
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: the legislation. And it's a very poor thing to put

840
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: names and race.

841
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 8: Question is to provide some truth to this because we

842
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 8: have brought in we've introduced legislation this week around an

843
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 8: amendment to the Children's Commissioner legislation.

844
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: Kesier is right, Love Kesy, there were the.

845
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 8: Recommendation of the Royal Commission to the Protection and Detention

846
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 8: of Young People in the.

847
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: Territory did say that there should be two.

848
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 8: When we looked at it, eighty nine percent of Aboriginal

849
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 8: people in care are Aboriginal children. We were being fiscally responsible.

850
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 8: There's eighty nine percent of kids in care or in

851
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 8: detention are Aboriginal. Now it isn't that they must be Aboriginal,

852
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 8: it is a requirement.

853
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: But what's the difference.

854
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: There is a difference. There is a difference.

855
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 8: Okay, So in the legislation it is prescribed in there

856
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 8: that Aboriginal people with the tertiary experience and qualifiations and

857
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 8: practice preferred. But if there's not someone there, they're absolutely

858
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 8: a non Indigenous person who has the tertiary skills and

859
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 8: practice gets the job.

860
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Are we potentially opening ourselves up here though too, if

861
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: there's not an appropriate Indigenous Territorian to take on that job,

862
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: that we're going to end up with somebody from interstate

863
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: who is who does have that aboriginality, but doesn't have

864
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory background.

865
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 8: So when we look at recruitment for commissioners, whether it's

866
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 8: the Children's Commission, of the Anty Discrimination, the Consumer Affairs,

867
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 8: the ombitsman.

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00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: They're jobs that are always every.

869
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 8: Time nationally advertised. What we're saying is that you certainly,

870
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 8: first and foremost, the safety of children is paramount, and

871
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 8: the qualifications and practice is paramount. If there's not an

872
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 8: Aboriginal person that meets that criteria, and there is a

873
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 8: non Indigenous person who does happy days, they will.

874
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: Get the job.

875
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: All right. The big question or the big comments that's

876
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: been made this week is Chancey, you've been saying for

877
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: a long time that you do not support race based politics,

878
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: race based policies.

879
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: But this is based a race based policy.

880
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: Because it's not excluding a race from a job.

881
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: But it's saying that if you are a certain race,

882
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: that you're going to be preferred for that role.

883
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 8: We've got special measures right through the Northern Territory Public Service.

884
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: So is it the same Is it just the same

885
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Speaker 3: as that.

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Speaker 8: It's basically acknowledging that if there's an original person there

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Speaker 8: with the skills.

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Speaker 1: Legislatives, special measures, why not just continue down this path,

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Speaker 1: like why does it need to be legislated. That's the

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Speaker 1: question that's being asked, you know.

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Speaker 8: Because the way again, it's working through the Royal Commission recommendations.

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Speaker 3: And they picking the ones.

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Speaker 4: That is one.

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Speaker 8: We're working through all of the recommendations that government, the

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Speaker 8: Northern Territory government can implement.

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Speaker 4: Because Katie, the Commonwealth walked.

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Speaker 8: Away from the Northern Territory Royal Commission and funding its recommendation.

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Speaker 1: I know that.

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Speaker 3: I certainly I'm not naive in that sense.

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Speaker 1: We know that it was called obviously when Adam Giles

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00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: was still in power, and hey, we had discussions in

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Speaker 1: this very studio on the World that was on that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm certainly not ignoring that. But what people are

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Speaker 1: concerned about here is that we are setting ourselves up

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Speaker 1: for race based politics.

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Speaker 4: It's not excluding a rape, Katie.

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Speaker 2: That sort of happens now anyway with these as chance,

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Speaker 2: he says. And people in the teaching world will know

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: this special measures, so and I've known it with my

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00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: primary schools. You know, someone will get a job because

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00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: of their special measure, which is code for aboriginality and

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Speaker 2: dissent and still have the stay.

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Speaker 3: Again, it's not legislator.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happened. They have put people in jobs that

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Speaker 2: they are not skillful.

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Speaker 1: But and the concern here is that legislated. Do you

917
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Speaker 1: know what the concern is That it's actually enshrined in legislation,

918
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Speaker 1: and that's what people seem to be worried about. But

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Speaker 1: we are going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Well, that is nearly

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Speaker 1: it for us this morning. But I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: we cannot wrap up the week that was without talking

924
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Speaker 1: about the fact that Kisier Puic well, she announced her

925
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: retirement yesterday on the show, still in until the August election,

926
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Speaker 1: of course.

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Speaker 2: Still till midnight on the twenty fourth of August, when

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Speaker 2: the northern churchy people.

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Speaker 4: Go to the park.

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Speaker 6: I think we're talking about yesterday. We'll get your back. Cas.

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Speaker 6: You're as for dress and deportment, what happened?

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Speaker 2: We're dressed nice for people listening. Some of these fellows

933
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Speaker 2: in Parliament, not Chancey because he's very dappard he's dressing,

934
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Speaker 2: but some of these fellows need a little bit of

935
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Speaker 2: assistance with them ties, right, but the ties are not

936
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Speaker 2: donemomy hair and makeup. Your tie is not straight, mister

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Speaker 2: yan Oh, my territory pins a little bit excuse before.

938
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Speaker 2: They haven't done the buttons up on the collar to

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Speaker 2: the shirt.

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Speaker 4: Somehow we can't.

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Speaker 8: You can't just talk about yourself here. Everyone else here

942
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 8: on this panel has to talk about you.

943
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 4: That's right.

944
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 8: And there's one thing for sure is Keezy Epiric has

945
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Speaker 8: been an amazing and absolutely amazing member of Parliament. She

946
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Speaker 8: didn't even pay me.

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Speaker 4: To say that. The sixteen years that she's been there.

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Speaker 8: I do not know a single person in the rural

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Speaker 8: area who doesn't say to me we need more people

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Speaker 8: like Keesiopuric.

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Speaker 4: Are bloody fight every day on it? Yep.

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Speaker 8: I mean I tease there sometimes about it, but you

953
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Speaker 8: know this is Kesy has always been a frank and

954
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Speaker 8: fearless leader.

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Speaker 4: And I love her.

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Speaker 8: When she took it up to the Commonwealth when Bloody

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Speaker 8: Andrews was given.

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Speaker 1: Us, well, do you know every time she comes on

959
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Speaker 1: we get positive feedback for Keziapuric.

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Speaker 3: There is no doubt about that. And that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: So you think it's not message team.

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Speaker 8: I mean, here's the thing. Don't underestimate Kesi. Epuric will

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Speaker 8: not be going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: She'll still be around well and you know a Kesier.

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Speaker 1: I think that no matter what side of the political

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Speaker 1: spectrum people sit on, they admire the fact that you

967
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: speak your mind and you say what you mean. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's something that's so incredibly important.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Katie, and thank you Chancey. We'll took

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Speaker 2: plate about your payment's going to be driving. Yeah, but

971
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Speaker 2: it's so bloody hard to get an h on your

972
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Speaker 2: drama's license.

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Speaker 4: Not allowed to go for right in the back of

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Speaker 4: the sheep.

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Speaker 2: No, you'll be in the you'll be pet uber.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 1: Look, we aren't gonna have to wrap up for the morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got to play the national news. Billy and from

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Speaker 1: the cl P, thanks so much for your time.

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Speaker 6: This week to be here again for the first time

981
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Speaker 6: this year.

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Speaker 3: Katie, great to see you.

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Speaker 1: Georgie Dickinson from nine News Star and thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

985
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Speaker 3: Thank you have good bright everyone you.

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Speaker 1: Too, kezyer Pure Katie and Chancey Paick the Deputy chief finished.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 8: And Katie Kesey has four sitting weeks left of anti Parliament,

989
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Speaker 8: so I hope she's going to stir it up.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the Week that Was