1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: At Lassian's, Dom Price is just like anyone else. Some 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: days he just doesn't want to get out of bed. 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: The difference is he stays in bed. After years of 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: working at breakneck speed as head of research and development 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: and also at Lassian's resident work futurist, Dom's learning to 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: listen to the signals his body sends him and it's working. Wonders, 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: but what about when it's something beyond a bad day. 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: What about when he's feeling truly burnt out. Dom's theory 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: is that part of what causes burnout is information obesity, 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: and one of the best ways to overcome it is 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: with action. Dom believes the world can be a duocracy, 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and that means picking one thing to do right now 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: and seeing how it goes. My name is doctor Amanthea Imber. 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm an organizational psychologist and the founder of behavioral science 15 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: consultancy Inventium, and this is how I work a show 16 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: about how to help you do your best work. On 17 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: today's My Favorite Tip episode, we go back to an 18 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: interview from the past and I pick up my favorite 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: tip from the interview. In today's show, I speak with 20 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: Dom Price and I asked him what does he do 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: when he doesn't have the energy to bring himself to 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: work or have a conversation like the one that we 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: were recording for this podcast. 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: Stay in Bed, Stay in Bed. I do I do 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: a month because I think one of the things I've learned, 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: and you know a bit about my story with with 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: like personal health and mental health and stuff, is I've learned, 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: like probably a bit late in life. I'm forty four now, 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: to listen, listen to those signals, Like there's times I'm like, 30 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: it's not going to work today. A couple of Thursdays 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: ago is the two year anniversary of my sister passing. 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: My girlfriend both took the day off. We went to 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 2: Freshwater Beach in Sydney, watched the sunrise, strolled around, grabbed 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 2: some breakfast, meeped around, We voted early. There's a whold 35 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: of stuff we got done. But we had a day 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: for just me and her. Right An Our new tradition 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: is we get we call it fucked up. 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: Right. 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: She puts a nice dress on, I put a nice 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: outf on and we go to a different nice restaurant 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: in Sydney for a late lunch and I'm like we 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: always joke like will this be our lifestyle instead of 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: it being one day a year. Is there going to 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: be a time when this is normal, when we're sipping 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: a chardonnay and not caring about the world at two 46 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: pm and watching the sun? And I might probably not, 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: not in the near future. But it's to listen, right, 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: to listen to my body. And then the other thing 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: is I got some great advice from a mental years ago. 50 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: I need some help on some stuff. And I arrived 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: at the conversation and I did. I thought it was 52 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: a very English thing. Apparently it's just a very human thing. 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: Where I arrived and I just winged and then after 54 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: five minutes she was like, right, that's your five minutes 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: of winging up. This is a session where we fix, 56 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: not winge. So how do you want to spend the 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: next fifty five minutes? And I was like oh, And 58 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 2: I was like and she's like, well, the first five 59 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: minutes was cathartic. Now you've got it off your chest, 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: what are you going to do about it? And I 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: was like, I thought I was here just a wine 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: for an hour and maybe you do agree with me, 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: and I just feel better. And she's like, no, Like, 64 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: if this is a real mental relationship. We're going to 65 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: help you fix it. And by the way, she's like, 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: I've not got the answer. I'm just here to ask questions. 67 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: You've got the answer. And so it was very confronting 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: at the time, and I was like, Ah, I probably 69 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: have got the answer, but whilst I'm in that five 70 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: minute pity party, I'm definitely not going to find the answer. 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: And so how do we do the time switch? Right? 72 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 2: So I always, even when I use that now and 73 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: I'm coaching on mentoring others, I'm like, you've had your 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: five minutes of winge and sulk. What are we going 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: to do about it right from now on? And so 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: I have a word etched at the back of my head, 77 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: which is deocracy. I'm a massive fact if I ever 78 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: bothered to write a book, if I was as smart 79 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: as you, I'd write a book. But I'm not. It 80 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: would be called deuocracy, which is how do we move 81 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: from this? I have this belief that as a society 82 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: we suffer with knowledge obesity, and I think it's what 83 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: causes some of the burnout. We gather all these debtor 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: and insights, we don't do anything with it. Right, I'm 85 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: constantly reading about what it takes to get fit. But 86 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: at no point if I got on a treadmill, right, 87 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: I've not gone for a walk. So I'm like, I've 88 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: got knowledge, obeast it. I know what I need to do. 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: I need to eat less chocolate and I need to 90 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: walk more like it's not hard, but for some reason 91 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: we just block it out. And so I'm like, instead 92 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: of knowledge, obeest tea, let's turn it into a deocracy. 93 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: And so all I do is I look for the 94 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: one thing I can do, one thing. So my if 95 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: you flip that that my one of my trigger phrases 96 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: right now is best practice. Right It drives me insane 97 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: because it doesn't exist. And so my marketing brethrens that 98 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: at LASTI and hate me because every time that I'm like, 99 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: there's no such thing as best how do you know 100 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: it's best? And they're like, well, it's a common known phrase. No, 101 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: it don't use it. It doesn't make any sense. It's patronizing, 102 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: it's condescending, and it's ignorant. So let's instead go for better, 103 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: and let's look at incrementally, what's the one thing I 104 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: can do right now in this time horizon. It could 105 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: be today, could be this hour could be this week. 106 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: The one thing I can do to make something better 107 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: by intent doesn't mean it will be better. My intent 108 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: is to make it better. And then my job is 109 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: did it make it better? Yes? Or no? If it did, 110 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: do more of it. If it didn't, what can I 111 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: do differently? And so basically, instead of thinking about life 112 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: as input, process output, this linear thing, I think about 113 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: life as a loop. And my job is to make 114 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: that loop tight and to have many loops. That's my 115 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: job as a human. Right. If I have these giant, 116 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 2: long loops, I'm not learning quick. And if my learning 117 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: velocity is too slow, and by the time I find 118 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: something out, I'm annoyed because it's taken too long. So 119 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: lots of small learning loops. And so when I sign 120 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: up for that, I'm like, cool. If I'm signing up 121 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: for a small learning loop, what's the one thing I 122 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 2: can do to get around the loop? What's the one 123 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: thing I can try? Right? And that way, instead of 124 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: looking at all the things in your way that are frustrations, 125 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: you find the one thing you can do and suddenly 126 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: you're building momentum forward. I still look in the rear 127 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: view mirror, because that's where I get a lot of 128 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: my lessons learned. I'm just not sort of nostalgic wondering 129 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: about the good old days, because today's the good old days. 130 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: We are creating the good old days today. And as 131 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: soon as we wake up to that, you're like, oh, 132 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: instead of wallowing about what it used to be, like, yeah, 133 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: I joined it lastly in a Mantha when it's five 134 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: hundred people, it's so friendly and family orienty, and you're like, 135 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: I get that, we've all got history, we've all got 136 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: a story, but it won't be a five hundred personal 137 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: organization again. So wake up to the reality that it's 138 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: now this ass What can we do to still make 139 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: it fun and family oriented, a nimble and all the things, John, 140 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 2: Because you own that, right, there's not this weird system 141 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: that decides that for you, right YouTube. You make that 142 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: choice every single day. And so for me, that deocracy 143 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 2: mindset really helps me get through those those slow days, 144 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: those hard times when I'm like it's all broken, it's 145 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: not going to work, is waste of time. I'm like, actually, 146 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: you know what, stop, what's the one thing. There's always 147 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: one thing we can do, And then you do it 148 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: and you're like, ah, suddenly the shoulders come up a 149 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: little bit, and then you do one more thing. You're like, ah, 150 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: now I've got a little bit of mojo. Right then 151 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: you do the third thing. You're like, now, now the 152 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,119 Speaker 2: ViBe's going. Now I can feel it. It all started 153 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: with one thing. 154 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed these excerpt from my chat with Dom, 155 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: you might want to go back and listen to the 156 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: full episode, which you can find a link to in 157 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: the show notes. 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