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Speaker 1: Always good to get into the studio on a Friday

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Well we've got the three sixty executive producer,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola. Good morning to you, kat We have got

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Well International Education, Migration and Population, various

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Speaker 2: Rob and Carl, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katy, and good morning to everybody out there

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Speaker 3: in the Territory.

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Speaker 1: And we have got Chancey pay Keys here from Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs and well here for the opposition.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Chancy.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katie. Shout out to Eron chuned In as well.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you all in the studio with us

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Speaker 1: this morning. Now, look, I do just want to give

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Speaker 1: a quick police update. The Northern Territory Police say that

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Speaker 1: they are calling for public assistance to locate a fifty

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Speaker 1: two year old prisoner, mister Clinton Daylight, who was last

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Speaker 1: seen at the Darwen Bus interchange yesterday four point thirty

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon the Darwen Bus Exchange. Now, he was

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Speaker 1: mistakenly released by the Department of Corrections earlier in the

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Speaker 1: day and the incident was reported to the police yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Now police are looking for Clinton, and he is urged

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Speaker 1: to return himself into custody as soon as possible. Police

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Speaker 2: On one three one triple four.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully able to find him sooner rather than later. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to cover off this morning. There always

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Speaker 1: is on the week that was. But I do want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the Tafe bungle.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: This has been a story that's been rumbling along for

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Speaker 1: later he then stood down from his position. We've got

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Speaker 1: a situation now, according to the paper where Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: MLA Robin Lamley is calling for a federal inquiry into

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Speaker 1: Charles Darwin University after further claims emerged around failed apprenticeship certifications.

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Speaker 1: She spoke with the NT News after CDU TAFE chief

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Speaker 1: post after these revelations that more than one hundred carpentry

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Speaker 1: certification bungles by the tape.

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Speaker 2: Now, however, you look at this. It's a bit of

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Speaker 2: a shit show, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, to have these apprentices going through the tape thinking

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: We then had I believe yesterday somebody from the university saying,

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Speaker 1: back and complete those qualifications. Well, you should almost be

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Speaker 1: getting bloody reimbursed for your whole qualification. It's pretty embarrassing

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Speaker 1: and not good at all for the university.

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Speaker 2: Minister.

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Speaker 1: I meant you have indeed got international education as.

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Speaker 2: Part of your portfolio.

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Speaker 1: That probably doesn't take in so much the tape, but

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Speaker 1: however you look at it, you want to make sure

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie, and I guess the real struggle is it's impossible.

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Speaker 3: I'm really struggling to understand how this could happen. Education,

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Speaker 5: Highly regulated area.

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Speaker 3: You get accredited for courses, you have external parties come in,

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Speaker 3: So it just seems every day there's something new coming

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Speaker 3: out of this absolute mess that's been created, and it

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Speaker 5: There has to be responsibility and accountability. And you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 3: These people who've done their qualifications, done their courses, have

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Speaker 1: It's really unacceptable, It's totally unacceptable. Well, Kathleen, you interviewed

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Speaker 6: Oh beyond a debarcle. Yeah, there's certainly, as you said,

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Speaker 6: it's a far stronger word than it has. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Put in place for this.

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Speaker 6: But as we spoke about yesterday, this will reflect on

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know where they go from here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether the standing down of Michael Hamilton's enough.

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Speaker 2: What's your take on it all?

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Speaker 7: Well, look, I think that CD you need to probably

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Speaker 7: are you going to fix it? That's ultimately what we

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Speaker 7: need to know. And there's a question here that we're

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Speaker 7: not really touched on. And everyone who's had work done

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Speaker 7: And I mean, let's be clear, like you know, these

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Speaker 7: now they're being inconvenienced. They're being dragged back to Darwin

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Speaker 4: So I think it is important.

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Speaker 7: I think where we go forward here needs to be

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Speaker 7: a clear, concise, concerted effort.

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Speaker 4: Because CDU is the territories UNI.

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Speaker 7: We should all be incredibly proud of CDU and be

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Speaker 7: able to back it in every day. So I think

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Speaker 7: when it comes to the Tafe side where this issue

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Speaker 4: I think that's what you'd call it.

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Speaker 5: A robin close enough.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know there's regulation you have to follow,

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Speaker 7: it's the law. So something's happened.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon there's any potential here for some of

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Speaker 4: Do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think that CDU has a lot of questions that

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Speaker 3: TAFE side of things, but I'm out there selling the university. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so it's cast concerns and doubts around everything, whether

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Speaker 3: for them, and it is it's going to cost them money,

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Speaker 5: But as we've heard from Chancey.

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Speaker 3: They have to take time off work, they have to

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Speaker 3: do all it. There has to be a better way

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Speaker 1: At the very least, it's a massive inconvenience, So the

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Speaker 1: very most, you know, there's a lot more to it.

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Speaker 2: I think, Katie, oh, you'd be just how do you.

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Speaker 7: Their social and emotional wellbeing is like you're out on

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Speaker 7: you're being told to get you're a phone call. Hey,

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Speaker 7: you're actually not signed off anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a thing.

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Speaker 6: The minister also revealed that she found out from a

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Speaker 6: which I think is real. That is a massive Look.

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Speaker 1: Somebody has literally just messaged through and said Katie, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be more like a thousand or more apprentices.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know whether that number is correct or not,

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Speaker 1: and we'll certainly be following that up. But however you

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Speaker 1: look at this, it needs to be rectified. We know that,

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Speaker 1: of course, we have got different people in charge of

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Speaker 2: But I would think that the board of.

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Speaker 1: to be proud of that university and the tafe that is,

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Speaker 7: And I think like the important thing is as well,

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Speaker 7: I think for all of us, you know, we're all Territorians,

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Speaker 7: the board to really just make that process. Come out,

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Speaker 7: talk to people, be honest, tell people what's happened. Tell

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Speaker 7: people how are you going to fix it? Because you know,

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Speaker 7: I know so many great people that work at CDU,

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Speaker 7: whether they're lecturers or administrators, they do a good job

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Speaker 7: and I can't imagine how they'd be feeling.

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Speaker 4: At the moment.

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Speaker 7: Will pretty also, you know, we need the board to

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Speaker 7: this is what's happened.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they've got an incredible chancellor, Trevor Riley.

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Speaker 3: You know, just that's a bigger issue here than say

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Speaker 1: this morning. We've got Chancey Paige, Robin Karl and Kathleen Gazola.

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Speaker 1: Confirmed through multiple sources that the allegations against Dr Rahman

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Speaker 2: Make that move. I mean, Robin, does he need to

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Speaker 3: Look, I think as I know the Chief Ministers said,

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Speaker 2: What is and we've reached out to him, We've tried

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Speaker 7: I mean we've said already publicly that if the Member

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Speaker 7: about what has happened, yes or no, are these allegations

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Speaker 7: That doesn't tell me that there is too much seriousness

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Speaker 6: It's a hr issue and they're entitled to their opinions.

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Speaker 7: No one's saying that there isn't and no one's saying

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Speaker 1: Look, we did speak to the former Speaker of the

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Speaker 7: And he's going to have to, you know, stop hiding

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Speaker 1: Look, we've definitely seen ministers need to look for assistance

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Speaker 1: Phil Scott and Suki do preference each other. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how that's all going to play out then for

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Speaker 1: the two major parties, and I guess we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: But what I do know is that there are some

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Speaker 1: people within the Nightcliff electorate who are really very annoyed

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Speaker 1: about the fact that they're going to a by election,

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Speaker 1: rightly or wrongly, you know, they do feel as though

447
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Speaker 1: that's a ridiculous situation for them to be in. I

448
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Speaker 1: wonder whether there will be a bit of a protest

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Speaker 1: vote against the Greens as a result of that. The

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Speaker 1: other thing that keeps getting raised with me, which I

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Speaker 1: think is really important to bring up, is do all

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Speaker 1: four of the people running for Nightcliff actually live in Nightcliff.

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Speaker 2: I believe Ed does.

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Speaker 4: Ed lives in Nightcliff.

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Speaker 7: Ed's a local, very much connected to the community and

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Speaker 7: very much going to be a strong voice for the

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Speaker 7: people of Nightcliff.

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Speaker 4: Been out with Ed.

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Speaker 7: He's certainly well known, certainly works hard, and he's got

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Speaker 7: a track record of delivering in Nightcliff. So certainly really

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Speaker 7: really happy there had good reports.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: I guess let's acknowledge here that every term of government

464
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Speaker 7: there is at least one by election. I think we

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Speaker 7: had three in the last term of government. So look,

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Speaker 7: there's always by elections. It's the nature of the game.

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Speaker 7: As frustrating as it is, that's where we're at. Look,

468
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Speaker 7: preferences will be important in this election. I think we're

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Speaker 7: already seeing that. We're already hearing that people.

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Speaker 5: Saidy Nightcliff in the last election, you know.

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Speaker 7: So I think, yeah, Look, it's going to be a

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Speaker 7: tough election for all all parties. But you know, I

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Speaker 7: think we do need to continue to do the work

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Speaker 7: we've been out on the doors. We've been on the

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Speaker 7: foreshore doing that work. It's been incredibly important and it's

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Speaker 7: been a valuable insight. And our message is clear, Katie.

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Speaker 7: You know you know we're saying, get behind, vote for Ed.

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Speaker 7: He'll be a young voice for you and put the

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Speaker 7: colp last.

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Speaker 2: Authorized by Chancey Paige.

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Speaker 4: My life politics.

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Speaker 1: You'll be doing live reads for me soon. Look, somebody

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Speaker 1: did message through as well in US. Does Suki live

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Speaker 1: in Nightcliffe? Now? Somebody else had been in contact with

485
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Speaker 1: me and said that they believe she doesn't, that she

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Speaker 1: lives in one of the m's Malacle or Milner, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll follow that up.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Milner. We will follow that.

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Speaker 3: Because Angine lives in Coconut Grove, very close to the border,

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Speaker 3: and as we all know, the boundaries in our Northern

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Speaker 3: cyburb electorates changed very frequently. So I think the important

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Speaker 3: thing is he's part of that community. He understands the

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Speaker 3: things that are challenging in that community, absolutely understands that

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Speaker 3: people's concerns, and he's absolutely passionate about fighting for residents.

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Speaker 2: And that one was written and authorized there. All right, we.

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Speaker 1: Better take a very quick break you are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine three sixty. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to Mix one four nine's three sixty now this week

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Speaker 1: on the show, health and health funding has indeed been

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Speaker 1: high on the agenda now. Earlier in the week, Kathleen,

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Speaker 1: she's the best stalker in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: I reckon our Kathleen.

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Speaker 1: She was stalking the Health Minister, Mark Butler, the Federal

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Speaker 1: Health Minister, to try and get him on the show.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't quite get him on the show.

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Speaker 5: Had fled.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, but you know.

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Speaker 5: It's got a book three weeks.

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Speaker 1: But we did get a response from him because there'd

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Speaker 1: been a discussion with Luke Gosling who had said that

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Speaker 1: there really hadn't been the detail needed in terms of

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Speaker 1: maternity funding provided by the Northern Territory government until last week.

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Speaker 1: Now the health Minister, the Federal Health Minister, did say

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Speaker 1: that he's been working very closely and collaborative with the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government to ensure that the public maternity care

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Speaker 1: services are provided for all women. Now, the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government and private health insurances have been working together to

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Speaker 1: deliver different private options for maternity services in Darwin, is

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Speaker 1: what he'd told us in a statement now this week,

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Speaker 1: though we also know that well, we only had a

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Speaker 1: couple of private obstetricians still working in the Northern Syritory,

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Speaker 1: but we caught up with one of those obstetricians a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the week. She's now finished up,

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Speaker 1: which is a really sad situation, Kathleen, I know that

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Speaker 1: she was your private obstetrician.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 6: Alia Vmieri delivered my little boy, who's now sixteen months old,

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Speaker 6: and yeah, she was incredible. I went through the private

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Speaker 6: option both times with my babies because of miscarriages and

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Speaker 6: health complications and the like, and I wanted that continuity

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Speaker 6: of care to see the same doctor and midwives throughout.

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Speaker 6: And I thought it was a really enlightening conversation with

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Speaker 6: Alia because of the reasons why you do need to

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Speaker 6: have that choice and the assistance that both private and

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Speaker 6: public working together make for a better health system, expectively

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Speaker 6: maternity care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean this situation with the private hospital

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Speaker 1: Maternity Services closing, it has had an impact in different

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Speaker 1: ways then on our public hospital.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: But we also have had a lot of discussion in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks now, Chancey, you made headlines

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Speaker 1: after saying that the air con hadn't been working in

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Speaker 1: maternity for five hundred days. Now, we've had different mums

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Speaker 1: contact us and speak to us about their concerns within

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Speaker 1: you know, within the ward around the air con. We

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Speaker 1: also spoke to the CEO of Health, Chris Hoskin, just

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. He said that there, you know,

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Speaker 1: there has been some issues with the air conditioning and

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Speaker 1: and you know that if there was any confusion in

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Speaker 1: terms of the response that was provided within Parliament, that

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Speaker 1: you know, that was on him.

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Speaker 2: That information had come from him.

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Speaker 1: But he said that it's not a case where it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been working for five hundred days. But we've got

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Speaker 1: a very old air conditioner in there. I think they

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Speaker 1: had to get like a part custom made because it's

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Speaker 1: that bloody old that you can't just replace things. But

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Speaker 1: all the while, you know, we have got mums, like

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Speaker 1: we had a mum on the show earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: Chantelle Chanell, Sorry Chanelle, who had they thought her little

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Speaker 1: bub had some serious issue.

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Speaker 2: Because it was yeah, padded raised temperature in the neonatal

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Speaker 2: intensive key and when she was just hot.

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Speaker 7: You know, Okatie rule number one, mums don't lie exactly

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Speaker 7: when Territory mums are telling us that it is too

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Speaker 7: hot and that they are having to bring in fans

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Speaker 7: into the hospital to keep themselves cool and their bubs cool.

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Speaker 7: That is what's going on. Territory mums don't lie. And

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Speaker 7: I backed Territory mums every day I get. I'm getting

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Speaker 7: messages on my phone every day of people sending it through.

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Speaker 7: I think there's actually a broader issue here. I've been

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Speaker 7: sent photos yesterday of the ventilation vents in the Darwin

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Speaker 7: Hospital covered in mold that's sucking air up and filtering

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Speaker 7: it through to the rest of the hospital. So I

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Speaker 7: think there's some serious concerns here. Yeah, we do need

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Speaker 7: to look at it. But you know, again, hearing those

578
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Speaker 7: heart wrenching stories of Territory mums making the decision to

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Speaker 7: go into state to give birth in a private hospital

580
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Speaker 7: is not good enough. You know, Australia has one of

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Speaker 7: the best healthcare systems in the world. Darwin should not

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Speaker 7: be the exception. We are a capital city. We absolutely

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Speaker 7: need a functioning public and private health system for Territorians

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Speaker 7: to access. It's incredibly important, and you know, I acknowledge

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Speaker 7: the work that Mark Butler is doing in this space,

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Speaker 7: and I do acknowledge that Mark has been meeting with

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Speaker 7: Minister Edgington as well around that. Because we just need

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Speaker 7: to get on with it and we need the territory

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Speaker 7: government to come forward and help make sure that that

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Speaker 7: air conditioning and that work can be done.

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Speaker 1: How do we do like, how do we work through

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Speaker 1: this when the truth is we probably need a new hospital.

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Speaker 1: You know, we spoke to Chris Hosking about that earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week as well, Like our hospital is old,

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Speaker 1: it's not really fit for purpose. There was photos over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. You know, again we're that same area of

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Speaker 1: the roof caving in. You know, there's big of it

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Speaker 1: falling in again. But like, let's be for reals here,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to get that money.

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Speaker 5: I don't want the discussion.

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Speaker 3: The discussion around a new hospital has been on the

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Speaker 3: table for a really long time. And I worked in

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Speaker 3: the health department twenty years ago and it was one

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Speaker 3: of the discussion points then. And I think one of

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Speaker 3: the challenges is when you live in an area like

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory and it is remote.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes it can.

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Speaker 3: Be difficult to put your case forward to the federal

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Speaker 3: government because it's too far away and it's a small

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Speaker 3: population down here, and yeah, that's maybe we have to

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Speaker 3: make that happen, But the reality is so it's it's

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Speaker 3: again something that is a priority. It's been looked at.

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Speaker 3: I think that there's lots of options that are being explored.

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Speaker 3: I've worked very closely in this there, and I've worked

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Speaker 3: in the public and the private system.

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Speaker 5: Managing the facilities.

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Speaker 3: In our tropical environment is an extra challenging thing, and

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Speaker 3: then you're on top of that when something does fail,

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Speaker 3: you've got the challenge of getting parts.

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Speaker 5: And you've mentioned you've got system that are quite old, and.

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Speaker 3: We even know even you buy a computer today, in

622
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Speaker 3: twelve months time, you probably can't get that repaired because

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Speaker 3: it's changed. So Minister Edgington has been working really hard

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Speaker 3: to have He's had lots of discussions and meetings with

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Speaker 3: Minister Butler. The proposal around getting some funding to actually

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Speaker 3: create what is considered to be more in line with

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Speaker 3: what a private space would look like is well under

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Speaker 3: weigh and the discussions for Healthscope I understand and progressing

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Speaker 3: as well, which is really, which is good news to

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Speaker 3: hear because as someone who worked for that company a

631
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Speaker 3: lifetime ago, it was absolutely disappointed to see that company

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Speaker 3: fall apart the way it did because the hospital here,

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Speaker 3: Darwin Private Hospital was always the jewel in the crown

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Speaker 3: for Healthscope. It was what gave them national coverage. It

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Speaker 3: was very profitable. Certainly when I was there, it was

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Speaker 3: very profitable. But we delivered about a thousand babies a year,

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Speaker 3: So there's been a significant shift over time about where

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Speaker 3: women choose to have their babies and how that goes.

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Speaker 5: The good news about the obstetric services that.

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Speaker 3: All of the doctors who work in the public system

641
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Speaker 3: do have rights to private practice if they want to

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Speaker 3: exercise them. So if we can get that up and

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Speaker 3: running and Hellscope and something happens with the dun private

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Speaker 3: hospital and enables us to reignite the private maternity service,

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Speaker 3: I think that those doctors will come back into this.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think we've absolutely I'm one hundred percent convinced

647
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Speaker 7: now that we need Robin Carl to go back and

648
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Speaker 7: run HEALTHCPE and get it rolling.

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Speaker 4: Because she said she was I love a VI election.

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Speaker 7: No, Look, I think let's be honest. You know, I

651
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Speaker 7: think I'm certainly going to advocate with my colleagues. We

652
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Speaker 7: need a new hospital hospital and before she dies in

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Speaker 7: I will absolutely support Robin Ladley as well Alice.

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Speaker 4: Springs Hospital needs. You know, I hope you're listening, Robzo.

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Speaker 7: Now look, Darwin Hospital, I'm going to advocate and Territory

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Speaker 7: Labor are going to look at what our options are.

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Speaker 7: We do think that there needs to be a new hospital.

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Speaker 7: I mean Darwin Hospital was built. It's designed from Canberra.

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Speaker 7: So the shutters on the windows Calgary, so you know

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Speaker 7: it's got snow shutters. Yeah, the day it snows in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be a real worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: To be all honest, let's say we all acknowledge the

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Speaker 7: hard working, amazing health an incredible, a great job. They're

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Speaker 7: in a crappy hospital.

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Speaker 1: Geess it'd be difficult for them though at different times,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it. You know, if you're worried about the bloody

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Speaker 1: air con and things like that, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's exactly right, and you go.

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Speaker 2: You know, people that.

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Speaker 1: Work in the health care system they do it because

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Speaker 1: they genuinely love their jobs and they want to help people.

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Speaker 7: What's important is we should be having the conversation now

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Speaker 7: future proofing. If we're going to build a new Darwin hospital,

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Speaker 7: is it on the same site or is there another

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Speaker 7: site that can be well.

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Speaker 1: We had this discussion with Chris earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: and he'd spoken about whether it could potentially be Palmeston,

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Speaker 1: whether it could bear, but he said he felt.

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Speaker 2: That maybe that shit was side.

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Speaker 3: Sloping done about fifteen twenty years ago where they looked

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Speaker 3: at Berrima as an all in sight.

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Speaker 5: I don't know whatever happened to that work.

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Speaker 3: Certainly we've got the Palmerston Regional Hospital and there's land

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Speaker 3: available there. The reality is, though we need the federal

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Speaker 3: government to come on board with this to build a

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Speaker 3: brand new hospital.

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Speaker 5: You're talking at least one billion, if not more dollars.

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Speaker 3: The good news is if you're building a new hospital,

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Speaker 3: you don't have to fight for operational funding because you've

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Speaker 3: already got that. But you absolutely need the capital work

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure that that's part of the work that

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Speaker 3: Chris Hoskin's doing.

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Speaker 7: And building a hospital is good debt, you know, because

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Speaker 7: it's looking after our people. It's making sure they have

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Speaker 7: a good experience, it's making sure that their health is

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Speaker 7: first and foremost.

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Speaker 4: So I think what we do.

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Speaker 7: Need to do is before we go down, we all

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Speaker 7: know we need a new hospital. No one should be

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Speaker 7: denying that because what we've got Isabelle old and had

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Speaker 7: its days. But where is the site of a new

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Speaker 7: hospital going to be? And then those discussions can go forward.

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Speaker 7: But certainly, I absolutely I think and want to commit

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Speaker 7: to looking at building a new hospital.

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Speaker 4: We need it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's take a quick break. You are listening to

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Speaker 2: Mix one O four ninees three sixty. It is the

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Speaker 2: week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: sixty if you have just joined us in the studio today.

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Speaker 2: We've got Kathleen Gazola, We've.

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Speaker 1: Got Robin Carl and Chancey Paike all joining us now.

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Speaker 1: It's been an interesting, well unfortunately not a great week

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs when it comes to some of the

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Speaker 1: shocking vision that has come through and some shocking sort

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Speaker 1: of violence experienced in the Red Center on Friday last week,

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Speaker 1: there was a well, someone wielding a machete in town

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Speaker 1: on Friday and a fight.

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Speaker 2: I guess you would call it a brawl.

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Speaker 1: We also know then in the early hours of Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning outside the Alice Springs Hospital there was a girl

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Speaker 1: who was chased inside by multiple defenders with machetes. Then

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Speaker 1: we've also vision has been obtained by Sky News. Matt

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Speaker 1: Cunningham reporting today police have arrested seven people over the

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Speaker 1: brutal bashing of a teenage girl in Alice. Now, this

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Speaker 1: happened in a lane way last Friday and shows, you know,

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Speaker 1: really terrible stuff where this girl's bashed with a bat,

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Speaker 1: has a metal scooter thrown at her. It is understood

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Speaker 1: that she had to be taken to hospital, but her

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Speaker 1: condition is not known.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: Marian Scrimjaw said that she was horrified after watching at

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Speaker 1: We did speak to the police earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: We spoke to the commander, James gray Spence, who had

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Speaker 1: said that, you know that there had been some issues experienced,

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Speaker 1: the police working very hard to make sure that they

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Speaker 1: were on top of things.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's always, well, it is always.

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Speaker 1: Terrible when you see violence, whether it's in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: whether it's here in Darwin, whether it's in what wherever

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Speaker 1: it is, that kind of violence, it's terrible. And then

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Speaker 1: it's an added level when it's you know, like a

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Speaker 1: young woman on the ground being bashed.

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Speaker 3: These incidents are horrific and absolutely unacceptable, and I think

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Speaker 3: that it's one of the reasons why we really have

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Speaker 3: to focus and look at particularly when you look at

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Speaker 3: the ages of the people involved in some of these incidents,

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Speaker 3: which I want to emphasize are becoming fewer and fewer.

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Speaker 3: And I was in Alice Springs on Wednesday met with

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Speaker 3: a lot of businesses and they are saying that yes,

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Speaker 3: there are still the occasional incident, which is horrendous, but

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Speaker 3: generally there's much less crime happening. They can see the change,

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Speaker 3: they can see the uplift, and the reality is that

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Speaker 3: for some of these incidents, it's battles that have come

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Speaker 3: in from communities. So it tells me that we have

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Speaker 3: to do a lot more with our communities to really

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Speaker 3: empower them to deal with this.

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Speaker 5: It's really frustrating.

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Speaker 3: I know from the elders that I've spoken to in

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Speaker 3: different communities about how do they get their kids understanding

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Speaker 3: that payback, for example, it's not something that you should

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Speaker 3: be doing today. There are other ways to deal with

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Speaker 3: your frustrations and new concerns, but nobody wants to see

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Speaker 3: that we absolutely have to make sure that we deal

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Speaker 3: with that and we have to continue to support the

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Speaker 3: Alice Springs community in this space.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think first of all, it's important to acknowledge

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Speaker 7: leadership where leadership shows, and Robin Carle did show leadership.

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Speaker 4: She's done more than the Chief.

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Speaker 7: Minister in Alice Springs getting out meeting with businesses and

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Speaker 7: talking to people. I know that because they've told me

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Speaker 7: that she's been there, she's spoken to him and she's listened.

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Speaker 7: So that's leadership and I will absolutely acknowledge that. I

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Speaker 7: think what we are seeing across Central Australia though, is yes,

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Speaker 7: there are some positive trends in the crime stats, absolutely,

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Speaker 7: but what is happening is people are saying that the

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Speaker 7: intensity and the severity is increasing. You know, like wielding

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Speaker 7: machetes and chasing people in hospitals is not normal and

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Speaker 7: it hasn't been normal for a while. I absolutely acknowledge that,

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Speaker 7: and Robin is right. We do need to do work

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Speaker 7: to look at and empower people. So what we need is,

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Speaker 7: you know, we need to look at crime prevention by design,

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Speaker 7: getting rid of those old yellow led lights, starting to

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Speaker 7: light them up with clear lights. We can't arrest our

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Speaker 7: way out of it. Please do a bloody good job.

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Speaker 7: But they can't be everywhere, So we need to look

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Speaker 7: at how do we do stuff around peacekeeping, how do

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Speaker 7: we do stuff around mediating, and that can be done.

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Speaker 7: The government has sat on its hands for five hundred

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Speaker 7: and something days now unable to tell us what they're

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Speaker 7: doing with law and justice groups in remote communities.

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Speaker 4: We need to know are we going to see more?

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Speaker 7: They're supposed to be twenty under the Aboriginal Justice Agreement,

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Speaker 7: there are only five at the moment. So empowering local leadership, peacekeeping, mediating.

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Speaker 4: I was out in Willowa community.

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Speaker 7: A couple of months ago where I saw firsthand the

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Speaker 7: local leadership working with the alos completely de escalate a

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Speaker 7: complex situation that had been spilling into Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: We need more of that. That's the role of the territory.

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Speaker 7: Government, and I'm not going to say it's purely their job.

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Speaker 7: It is the role NT ray is money that the

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Speaker 7: Commonwealth have given, so we need those local organizations as

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Speaker 7: well who are receiving funding or who are way on funding.

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Speaker 4: To be delivered to see it.

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Speaker 7: So I guess the real question is how much money

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Speaker 7: in the ntray is for peacekeeping and mediating and where

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Speaker 7: is the government at with the law and justice scripts

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Speaker 7: because that's how we change this landscape.

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Speaker 6: That's the point I wanted to make is we had

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Speaker 6: the Prime Minister come a couple of years ago to

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Speaker 6: Alice Springs after a big series of crime that had

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Speaker 6: happened that made national headlines, and this money that was

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Speaker 6: promised that it really hasn't said much about how those

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Speaker 6: are going. KPIs of what organizations have got it, what

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Speaker 6: they've achieved, and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 7: Question Kathleen about there is a joint committee of the

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Speaker 7: Commonwealth and the Territory and the local leaderships, the alg

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Speaker 7: the Aboriginal Leadership Group.

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Speaker 4: I just want to status update.

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Speaker 7: Where's the infrastructure projects that the NT government said that

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Speaker 7: they were going to deliver? Where's the programs that were

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Speaker 7: going to be rolled out from the Commonwealth and the

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Speaker 7: Territory and the leadership.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the challenges in this space is

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Speaker 3: there are so many groups involved in this space, many

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Speaker 3: non government organizations who are all working together, sometimes in parallel,

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Speaker 3: sometimes at odds, and gathering all that information together, actually

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Speaker 3: working and sitting down where the where the things are

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Speaker 3: needed most and where you can execute them best is

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Speaker 3: part of the challenge. And that's where the talking to

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Speaker 3: community and getting out there and Minister Edgington is a

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Speaker 3: minister responsible for Aboriginal affairs and is working really hard

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Speaker 3: in creating that community network and looking at the community

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Speaker 3: groups who are saying, yes, we want to be able

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Speaker 3: to be empowered to self govern and actually take some

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Speaker 3: steps in this area. So there is sometimes you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got the duck paddling really really hard under the water.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to see it, but some were meant to

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Speaker 5: have been done posts.

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Speaker 4: But it can't just be packed up.

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Speaker 7: Steve Edgington is not a bad blake, I know, right,

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Speaker 7: but it can't be. You are friends with me, but

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Speaker 7: like just to be serious here, like you can't leave

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Speaker 7: all the Aboriginal issues to one habnet minister. And I'm

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Speaker 7: not saying that I know that Edgo and Robin have

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Speaker 7: been out, but Mary Claire Boothy is the Attorney General.

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Speaker 7: She cannot tell me how many law and justice groups

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Speaker 7: she's actually met with in remote communities or community courts

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Speaker 7: she's actually been to. If we're saying that these are

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Speaker 7: where the problems are stemming from and growing. You know,

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Speaker 7: we can't keep dealing with being the ambulance at the end.

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Speaker 7: We do need to look at how do we overcome

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Speaker 7: this so that we're not seeing increases in DV or

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Speaker 7: alcohol fueled violence.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, and we're seeing a bit of tinkering around

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Speaker 2: the edges as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you that we're nearly out of time,

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Speaker 1: but we're seeing a bit of tinkering around the edges

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Speaker 1: as well when it comes to some of the ways

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Speaker 1: that we're trying to deal with different issues in Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: And this week, well I cannot let you go without

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Speaker 1: talking about the headline that's been around the nation.

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Speaker 2: No Palmi, no beer.

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Speaker 1: You know, the new rule that came into place from

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Liquor Commission. So basically, anyone who orders

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Speaker 1: a full strength drink twenty venues across our springs during

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Speaker 1: lunch hours on Wednesdays to Fridays must also order a

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Speaker 1: meal and apparently you got to eat it with a

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Speaker 1: knife and fork.

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Speaker 5: It's oddly specific, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's very specific.

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Speaker 1: Well, in the hospitality you're pretty annoyed about this as well.

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Speaker 3: It's it Well, why Wednesday to Friday, why not the

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Speaker 3: rest of the time, And why a knife and fork?

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Speaker 5: While all of this you can have other drinks.

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Speaker 3: It's a very oddly specific thing, and we have I've

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Speaker 3: had some discussions with a couple of.

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Speaker 5: Businesses who are impacted. And I know, I don't drink beer,

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Speaker 5: so it's such a.

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Speaker 3: Girl and I'm a bubbles girl and I you know,

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Speaker 3: but I do draw the line at eating a pizza

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Speaker 3: with a knife for fork. So look, I think we

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Speaker 3: have to have a really strong look at it, see

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Speaker 3: what the intent was, because I'm not sure that this

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Speaker 3: hits the intent.

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Speaker 7: I think there's been a lot of work done here

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Speaker 7: with the Riley Review. I think there's risk based licensing

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Speaker 7: in the territory already, So how is that working, what's

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Speaker 7: that interface and what's telling us? I mean, look, let's

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Speaker 7: be clear, and we have to look at measures that

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Speaker 7: are blanket measures and practical and practical. So I think

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Speaker 7: let's explore this, let's see what it is the Liquor

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Speaker 7: Commission have done it. I think we just need to

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Speaker 7: understand the rationale a bit more well.

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Speaker 1: And I also want to see data any of the

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Speaker 1: different changes that we make. I actually think it's important

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Speaker 1: to have data because you know, even the former labor

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Speaker 1: government was you know, was at different times slammed over

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Speaker 1: the BDR or you know, people having a crack about

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Speaker 1: different alcohol restrictions that were in place. I think if

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Speaker 1: you've got data that supports what you're doing, or you've

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Speaker 1: got data more generally to be able to go well,

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Speaker 1: this is the situation before, and this is a situation now,

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Speaker 1: not with just everything, but with specific change.

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Speaker 7: I agree, I think data is important, but I think

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Speaker 7: as well, we need to get to this. The territory

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Speaker 7: in some places has a problem with alcohol and alcohol

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Speaker 7: fueled violence, absolutely, but also I think, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 7: we were all around in the nineties and eighties when

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Speaker 7: we had these great campaigns at learning to live with

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Speaker 7: alcohol and learning how you can drink responsively and not

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Speaker 7: go home, and.

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Speaker 5: That's missing now, right. That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I get worked up about is we

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Speaker 3: are talking about adults who we want to treat like children,

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Speaker 3: and that's not okay. And I think we actually have

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Speaker 3: to do things respectfully and make sure the work that

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Speaker 3: we did in the past that worked. Sometimes revisiting that

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Speaker 3: and bringing back to the future in play is the answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, Look we've run out of time. It's after ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: We always run out of time in here. Chancey Paig,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Look, thanks Katie.

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Speaker 7: Great to be on the show and look forward to

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Speaker 7: seeing people around the territory. And remember this by election

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Speaker 7: vote one.

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Speaker 3: Oh god knows, Robin k Well, I'm going to do

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Speaker 3: it endoors by Robin one.

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Speaker 1: Agent Paddel, thank you well.

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Speaker 2: Kathleen's staying in the studio.

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Speaker 1: She's got a the news and she's done an interview

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Speaker 1: for me after ten as well.

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Speaker 2: Keeping her busy.

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Speaker 1: It might be vote one Kathleen, because thank you all

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Speaker 1: so much for your type. You are listening to Mix

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Speaker 1: one O four nine's three sixty