1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Shanny Grimmond was the ultimate it girl of the twenty tens. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: I hope you guys like this vlog. If you did, 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: please give it eight thumbs up because help me out, 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: sir much. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: It all started on Tumblr, where she went by the 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: handle vans and spray. 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Tans well Gobindy. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: When she was sixteen, she switched over to YouTube, sharing 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: makeup tutorials and daily blogs alongside her school best friend chloe'zep. 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Her videos began attracting hundreds of thousands of views. Was 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Shany seen as the girl next door? Her channel reached 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: new heights when the ultimate boyfriend of Instagram, Jonathan Sower, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: entered the scene. 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: How do we meet on our birthdays? When we went 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: out and we have the same birthdays? 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: The twenty three year old accountant quickly became her manager 17 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: and the pair became hashtag couple goals. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: Who was the first person to say I love you? 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: And how did it happen? 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: As me, of course, But it wasn't long before fame 21 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: became overwhelming for the self confessed introvert. 22 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: I want to keep my personal life personal private, you 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: know what I mean, So I'm going to share as 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: much as I can without like you know, giving too 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: much away. 26 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: In this series, we explore the phenomenon of Shany grimmand 27 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: and what happens when you want to pull back and 28 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: live a more private life. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm Sophie Torba and I have been hanging out for 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: this series. It has been so highly requested, and I 31 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: think that is because Shany Grimman was so many people's 32 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: first introduction to the influencer world. I know for me, 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: she was the first YouTuber I ever started watching. I 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: vividly remember our younger cousin's girlfriend showing us Shanny's morning routine, 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: and firstly I was shocked that people would actually be 36 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: interested in that sort of content, but then I quickly 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: became hooked as well. I also couldn't believe that someone 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: would feel comfortable sharing that level of information and detail 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: about themselves online, because we were living in the days 40 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: of Instagram, where everyone was putting very curated photos up 41 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: and here we were seeing Shany Grimman in her bathroom, 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: no make up on taking us through her morning routine. Now, 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: if you are a millennial, the handle vans and spray 44 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: tans will make you feel incredibly nostalgic. So It is 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the handle that Shany Grimman created on Tumblr when she 46 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: was just thirteen years old. Yeah, and in the twenty tens, 47 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: Tumblr was a blogging platform teenagers used to express themselves, 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: and it allowed users to design their own homepage where 49 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: they could share curated images, videos, quotes, and also write blogs. 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: We were a little bit too old for Tumbler. I 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: don't ever remember having a Tumbler account, but I do 52 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: remember my younger cousins having one. Yeah, I'm kind of 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: glad that I missed that phase, because when you reflect 54 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: on the sort of quotes that you might have been 55 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: sharing around that time, it's quite horrifying and embarrassing. Well, 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I think Shanny would be cringing if she was to 57 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: look back at her Tumbler now, because she was an 58 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: open book on there. Her audience was made up mostly 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: of teenage girls who really could relate to her struggle 60 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: at school or with boys. 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: I always, always, always am so open when I'm answering 62 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: my questions, Like people ask about sex, boys, friends, family problems, school, 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: and I literally answer everything. I'm the most honest person 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: you'll probably ever know. Some followers aren't very open, obviously, 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: and they're like Shany, why are you so open? Like 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: why are you telling us your whole life story? And 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, people are asking and I want to 68 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: be honest and like help you guys out if you 69 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: need advice with my things that have happened to me. 70 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Shannie did say that Tumbla was her favorite platform because 71 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: she found it was a non judgmental place where she 72 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: could just be herself and people loved her on there 73 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: because as you touched on Amy, the girls following her 74 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: were also planning their school formals or their school these 75 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: week celebrations, and they felt like Shani was their friend, 76 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: so they felt like they could relate to every aspect 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: of her life. And over four years, Shanni amassed a 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: very loyal following of ninety thousand followers on Tumblr, and 79 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: she decided it was time to build on that relationship further, 80 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: so at sixteen, she started her own YouTube channel. The 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: first video Shanny ever uploaded to YouTube was a makeup 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: tutorial featuring her best friend, Chloe Zepp. The year was 83 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen and they were both sixteen year old school girls. 84 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: They looked like such babies in this clip, so they 85 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: were both wearing the big chunky necklaces that were the 86 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: hottest successory at the time, and Chloe was Shany's model 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: in the video, so Shany was explaining step by step 88 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: of how she was doing her makeup for what they 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: said was a casual night out. 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Shanny and this is Chloe, my model. 91 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't get over how much a young Chloe Zepp 92 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: looked like her son Aati. Oh, they look like twins 93 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: in these old videos. Now, Shanie did begin sharing more 94 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: mini tutorials, and they were only a couple of minutes long, 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: and it did make me laugh because in one of 96 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: the tutorials, Shanni explained how to do a sock onun 97 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: which again I don't think she would be caught in 98 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: dead now, but it was very of the moment. And 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: in the comment section, Shanny would list all of the 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: products she used and what she was wearing at the time. 101 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: She didn't have any brand deals, but it's so clever 102 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: because she was already authentically sharing about these brands, so 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: it didn't look bad when she started being paid by 104 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: them to promote them. And that probably wasn't a strategic thing, no, 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: I think she was just genuinely sharing with her followers. 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: Like she would with her friends, and I think she 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: was emulating what other big YouTubers were doing at the time. Now, 108 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: when it came to makeup, Shani was self taught, and 109 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: ironically she learned her skills off YouTube when she started 110 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: watching makeup tutorials at the age of ten, and while 111 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: she was at school, Sharne said that she did want 112 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: to do a course at MAC and become a qualified 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: makeup artist. Now, I don't think she ever ended up 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: getting qualifications in makeup again, that is just so twenty ten. Yeah, 115 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: to be a makeup artist at MAC. Now. It wasn't 116 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: until twenty fourteen when Sharnie started sharing more of her 117 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: personality in her videos and she had the realization that 118 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: people weren't just coming to her channel to learn how 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: to do hair and makeup. They wanted to connect with her. Yeah, 120 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: she did start creating chitchat get Ready with Me videos 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: where she would answer questions about her life. And I 122 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: had so much fun going back and watching these videos. 123 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: So in one of Shani's early videos, she took part 124 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: in a viral trend called the common White Girl tag, 125 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: and she answered twenty questions so her followers could get 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: to know her better. Let's give you a taste of 127 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: some of the things we found out about Baby Shani. 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: My favorite drink from Starbucks would have to be the 129 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: Frappuccino's also known as Frape's, and I really love the camel, 130 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: the camel and hazelnut and just the plain vanilla. They're 131 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: so delicious, despite the fact that the like seven dollars 132 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: for like a little cup this big, but so worth it. 133 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: They're just amazing. 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I did laugh at how she pronounced Frabbe's. Look, I'm 135 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: not throwing any shade at her, because we get criticized 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: anytime we try and pronounce, so who knows she could 137 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: actually be correct. And she did also answer a number 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: of questions about her favorite social media apps at the time. 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: Here's what she said. 140 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: I don't have Twitter anymore. Well, I guess I do 141 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: because I never deleted it, but I don't know how 142 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: many tweets I've got. I probably have like one thousand 143 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: tweets saying justin we please follow me Cody Simpson. I 144 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: love you because I know Cody Simpson followed me and 145 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: I was so excited. But yeah, I just don't go 146 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: on it. I think it's so boring. And I'm just 147 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: going to stick to my Instagram and Facebook and tumble. 148 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with them so much. 149 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I totally forgot that school kids would use Twitter to 150 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: beg for responses from celebrities. This really brought it all 151 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: back to me. Remember how kids would also try to 152 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: grow their Instagram following by writing like for like under 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: celebrities or random's posts. Well, what's ironic is that so 154 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: many influencers from back in the day they've been burnt 155 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: from offensive tweets coming out. But I think for Shani's 156 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: Twitter account, it's probably just more embarrassing in terms of 157 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: her begging Cody Simpson to follow her. At this stage, 158 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Instagram had only been around for a few years. So 159 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: the platform launched in twenty ten, and initially it was 160 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: a way for people to connect with friends. I remember 161 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: it was the days where you'd upload a photo and 162 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: you'd probably get three likes. Yeah, and they always look 163 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: really weird, like you use all these grainy filters. Yeah, 164 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't really a vibe. But then by twenty thirteen, 165 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: the term insta fame it started to be thrown around 166 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: a bit, so an SBS article described it as a 167 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: term that refers to ordinary, everyday people who have a 168 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: mass large followings on social media, in particular Instagram for 169 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: no apparent reason. I remember I was working at Today 170 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: tonight and I was trying to convince the boss to 171 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: do a story about an influencer, and I was like, 172 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: they've got nearly, you know, five hundred thousand followers, and 173 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: he just didn't get it. He's like, why are the 174 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: people following them? And I'm like, because they like their Contententa, 175 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: because you did do a story about insta fame and 176 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: you interviewed Kayla. It's seen it, and that was before 177 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: she was obviously exploded in popularity. Well, she was pretty 178 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: popular on there, but she not what she is now 179 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: in terms of just how big she was back then. Well, 180 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: this SBS article continued, saying, these people aren't movie stars 181 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: or high profile athletes. They're not even bloggers. In fact, 182 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: they don't even necessarily do anything other than take nice 183 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: photos or more commonly, still have a nice photo taken 184 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: of them. The author did note that in order to 185 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: be Insta famous, you had to have a healthy or 186 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: unhealthy level of narcissism. It said, no surprise on this one. 187 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: You have to be pretty self involved to post thirty 188 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: plus selfies a day and expect that other people are 189 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: going to not only want to see them, but also 190 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: like them. To be fair to Shani, I don't actually 191 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: think she came across as a narcissist in her heyday 192 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: on YouTube, But I think it was such a new 193 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: thing for people to be posting selfies and really promoting 194 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: themselves in this way because a lot of the time, 195 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, people would joke that you only put up 196 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: photos of your food or other people. Yeah, I do 197 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: get it, because then it was a weird thing, like 198 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: people didn't really have careers in social media. Now we 199 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: know that the people who were the early adopters are 200 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: so clever because they're the ones who've made so much 201 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: money off her. Yeah, And I mean, at this stage, 202 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: the term influencer wasn't even widely being used, and Shani 203 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: was taking inspiration from other beauty influencers in the space 204 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: like Shan EXXO, Lauren Beauty and also Chloe Morello. And 205 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: while she did have a big following on Tumblr, at 206 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: this stage, she had around seventeen thousand followers on Instagram. 207 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: Here's how Shani described how she used Instagram. 208 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just keep everyone updated on what I'm doing. 209 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 2: I post like photos of my new video. If I 210 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: like posted a new video that day, I'd be like, yo, 211 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: check this out. And then I like post selfies and 212 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: phes with my dog and my boyfriend and my friends 213 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: and everything like that. So it's basically just my personal 214 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,479 Speaker 2: life on Instagram. 215 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: I love how simple and authentic her posting sounded, and 216 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it genuinely was at that time, because we 217 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: really didn't have the onslaught of paid advertise that we 218 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: see now because every time I go my Instagram now 219 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm being sold something. Yeah. Well, it was actually in 220 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen that Instagram introduced the feature of paid advertisements, 221 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: and this really changed things for influencers. So it enabled 222 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: brands to connect directly with influencers across its platform, and 223 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: selling products became easier than ever. With just a click 224 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: of the button, influencers could share what they enjoyed, and 225 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: they got paid for doing it. By the time, we 226 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: weren't really savvy to this kind of advertising. It was 227 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: before influencers had to declare paid partnership, so most of 228 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: the time we were led to believe that the influencers 229 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: really swore by these products, and it was a genuine 230 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: recommendation from them, and for a brand to have a 231 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: tick of approval from an influencer like Shiny Grimman, it 232 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: was incredibly powerful and it resulted in dramatic sales for 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: that brand. 234 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: The thing that I want to talk about is the 235 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: things that I got from Triangle dot com. And for 236 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: you guys that don't know what that is, it is 237 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: a bikini store and it also sells underwear as well. 238 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: I swear by that side. They have the most amazing 239 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: bikinis I have ever experienced. 240 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Now, due to the blurred line between recommendations and partnerships 241 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: at the time, it is still unclear what was going 242 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: on between Shani and Triangle, but all of a sudden 243 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: she started sharing a lot about their swimwear, which was 244 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: the bikini brand of the time. The hold the Triangle's 245 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: tangerine set howd on the zeitgeist at the time was insane. 246 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: But was that from Shanny like it was it Shanny 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: that built them up or was it I definitely think 248 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: the Shiny Grimmond effect really helped that brand. I had 249 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: quite a few pairs of Triangle. I loved them at 250 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: the time. I always wanted the orange bikini, but it 251 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: was always sold out. Shanny did do a number of 252 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: whole videos showing off the bikinis and talking about what 253 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: she liked and she didn't like about them. If this 254 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: was a paid partnership, I wonder how the marketing team 255 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: Triangle felt about this comment. 256 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: So here's People have been asking me if you can 257 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: wear this set into the water or like take to 258 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 2: the beach or whatever, and I would have to say 259 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: that I would not recommend at the bottoms because, as 260 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: I said before, they really see through and shear, so 261 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 2: as soon as you get them weight, you're gonna be 262 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: able to see everything. So I don't really recommend. 263 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: That I love so much when I watched this bag, 264 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: I do think it added to her review of the 265 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: brand though, because it made it feel more authentic. And 266 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: she did follow it up by gushing about the free 267 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: bag that came with the bathers, so people will remember 268 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: that it had this like drawstring bag and she said 269 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: it was the perfect beach accessory, which I found so 270 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: funny because all I could think about when I got 271 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: that bag was clearly this was the offcuts of the bathers. 272 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: It makes me think that maybe she was just gifted 273 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: the bathers, and that's why she was able to be 274 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: honest about them. Because a lot of influencers have come 275 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: out recently and said, back in the day, we didn't 276 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: realize what we were actually worth, and we were doing 277 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: full on haul videos for a couple of free baths. 278 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm disturbed about, because, as I said, 279 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: I did have these bathers, I didn't realize that they 280 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: were quite secret. Well, by twenty fifteen, Sharne's channel was 281 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: starting to hit the big time, so she notched up 282 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand followers. I feel like we're so used 283 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: to seeing big celebrations now when a creator reaches a 284 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: million subscribers, but back then, one hundred thousand was such 285 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: a big deal, and YouTube would reward creators by sending 286 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: them a silver play button trophy. 287 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: I hit one hundred thousand subscribers last week. I was 288 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: so excited, Like you would not even believe my reaction. 289 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: I was jumping off the walls, bouncing off the walls. 290 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: I was so happy, and I'm still so happy. Thank 291 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: you guys so much for subscribing to me. It honestly 292 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: means the world to me. I wouldn't be here without you, 293 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: as cliche as that sounds, but I just want to 294 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: let you guys know how much you mean to me, 295 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: and all the comments that you guys leave are just 296 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: it makes my day. 297 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: At sixteen, Sharnie was already planning to pursue YouTube as 298 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: a full time career once she graduated from school, and 299 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: it's not surprising, and she was starting to receive exciting 300 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: opportunities from brands and agencies. 301 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: I've been offered like a few modeling things and being 302 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: a part of all these crazy things that I will 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: talk about in the future. But yeah, I'm just excited 304 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: to be independent and move out and just keep going 305 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: with my YouTube because it makes me so happy and 306 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: I just love you guys so much. 307 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: After notching up one hundred thousand subscribers, Shanny made the 308 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: move into blogging, and she was a natural from the 309 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: get go. She had this really goofy side which shone 310 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: through in her vlogs, and even though she was doing 311 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: these really mundane tasks, she managed to make them really 312 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: engaging and interesting. Yeah, I always remember she was down 313 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: at the post office collecting all of the mail that 314 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: had been sent to her. She was also doing giveaways 315 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: for her subscribers, so she'd be posting, you know, things 316 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: of lip smacker or just like random items. And her 317 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: car was so relatable. It was like this old bomb. Yeah, 318 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: she just recently got her license and she was driving 319 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: around in this absolute shit tip of a car. 320 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: I could definitely say that I am at the happiest 321 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: point of my life right now, having my license, having 322 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: the most amazing viewers on YouTube, having so much support 323 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: from people. My life is just so great right now. 324 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: And if any of you guys are going for your 325 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: license and you're nervous, I know the feeling because I 326 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: was so nervous before my test because I thought I 327 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: was going to fail because I just didn't really have 328 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: that much confidence. But I practiced a lot, like I 329 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: just was driving a lot. Trust me. 330 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: This is what made her so relatable because I think 331 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: everyone will have high school memories of their first shitty 332 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: old car. We actually had to share a red Burna 333 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: which had no air conditioning. It's a rite of passage. Yeah, 334 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: you have to have a shit car to begin with. 335 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: Well. 336 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: In one of Shannie's blogs, she shared this video of 337 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: her and Chloe on the side of the road because 338 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: her car had broken down because overheated and they had 339 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: to sit there waiting for it to cool down. Why 340 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: does that remind me of that scene on Laguna Beach. Yeah, 341 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: and Kristen's car breaks down. She's like, I'm Dunzel with 342 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: this and sel Donzel. It's kind of sad because there 343 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: is this pattern when influencers start to make good money. 344 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Of course, they go out and buy new cars and 345 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: they seem to rent or buy these amazing places, and 346 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: that's when their audience suddenly doesn't feel like they're on 347 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: the same playing field and they start to become a 348 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: bit disconnected. Yeah, and it's an interesting one for Shanni 349 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: because to begin with, she was the girl next door. 350 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: She was very relatable, but as her wealth started to grow, 351 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: her content then did become aspirational. But I think because 352 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: she was so good at blogging and talking to viewers 353 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: like they were a friend, people still bought in and 354 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed her content. 355 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: Before we get started, I just want to ask you 356 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: guys one question, and I'd really appreciate it if you 357 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: could actually answer it in the comments below, and that 358 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: is what kind of videos do you want to see 359 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 2: on my channel? Because I asked you guys on all 360 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: of my social media accounts, what video want to see? 361 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 2: What videos in general you want to see? And not 362 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: many people were saying like make cup or beauty related videos. 363 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: A lot of them are more like vlogs and personality videos. 364 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: And I'm really confused because I started making videos with 365 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: may Cup tutorials and stuff, and now it's kind of 366 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: getting overtaken by my vlogs and I'm like, what's going on? 367 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: So I would love if you could let me know 368 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: in the comments, what video you want to see? 369 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: The overwhelming response from Shanni's followers was that they were 370 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: obsessed with her vlogs and they wanted to know more 371 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: about her private life, and she didn't really have any 372 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: boundaries when it came to sharing her life online. The 373 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: one thing that she was always so open about was 374 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: her relationships, and it wasn't long before sixteen year old 375 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Shani introduced her first boyfriend, Sean, to her YouTube channel. Now. 376 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: He made his first appearance in a video entitled Chubby 377 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Bunny Challenge with my boyfriend. I do remember these videos 378 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: and for people who haven't heard of chubby Bunny, that is, 379 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: of course, when you shove marshmallows in your mouth. At 380 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: each additional marshmallow, you have to try and say chubby bunny. 381 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: I think it's been banned though, because it's quite dangerous. 382 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: A lot of people have passed out, or there's even 383 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: stuff they choke on the marshals. Yeah. Well, despite being 384 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: the same age, Shanni looked considerably older than Sean in 385 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: this video. One commenter said, he looks like your younger 386 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: brother who is trying to grow a mustache, because he 387 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: did have a very patchy mustache which just looked like 388 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: a few strands of pubes, almost like it was not 389 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: impressive at all. To be fair to poor Sean, Shani, 390 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: of course, is sitting there with a full face of makeup. 391 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: I think girls do mature a lot faster, but they're 392 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: also able, you know, we're able to look older because 393 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: we're able to makeup in a certain way. One follower 394 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: did say they were quite defensive over the relationship and 395 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: said she obviously thought he looked good and thought he 396 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: was a good person, so that's why she dated him. Now. 397 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Sean did appear in a number of her subsequent videos. 398 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: He did go to Vanuatu with her, but with most 399 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: young love stories, unfortunately it did end in heartache. A 400 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: month out from her school. After two years together, Shani 401 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: and Sean officially broke up, and despite the split, Shanny 402 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: still took Sean as her partner to her school formal. 403 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: We were dating for two years and we broke up 404 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 2: like a month before formal, and I still wanted him 405 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: to come because, like, I didn't want to take someone 406 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: that didn't really mean anythink to me, Like, I think 407 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: that's a bit silly, because you're going to look back 408 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 2: at these photos like when you're older, and I want 409 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: to look back and be happy with who I went 410 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: with and stuff. I don't know, it's hard to explain, 411 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: but I am glad that I took him. It was 412 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: a little bit awkward just because like we only did 413 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: just break up, but we're still friends. It's just really 414 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: kind of weird. 415 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: How juicy would it be if you were actually at 416 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: Shanny and Chloe's school because you've got these two girls 417 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: who were sharing all of these private details. I think 418 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: it would have also brought out a lot of jealousy. Yeah, 419 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: because Shany was being offered all of these modeling contracts 420 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: and opportunities to work with brands, and I think that 421 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: people would have paid it out being secretly very envious. 422 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 2: Now. 423 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: Shanni went on to thank her audience for getting her 424 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: through the breakup, saying she was crying her eyeballs out 425 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: on Tumblr, but her followers were there for her the 426 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: entire time. She then urged her followers going through tough 427 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: times to reach out to her and chat to her 428 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: about it and she will respond to them. So it 429 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: really does show that relationship that she was building with 430 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: her followers. It wasn't just a parasocial relationship because she 431 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: was actually conversing back with them and it seemed to 432 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: be like a real friendship. Yeah, and I think it 433 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: really was Shannie's year twelve experience which really struck a 434 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: chord with other teenagers. So she was going through these 435 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: big life changes and at the same time, so were 436 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: the people watching her loss. She would even share about 437 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: fight she was having with her mom and how she 438 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: was close to moving out on her own or with 439 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: her brother. And she really did push the boundary when 440 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: she shared a video about her schoolies experience entitled Schools Talk, Unconscious, 441 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: underage Drinking and Drugs Now. In the video, she admitted 442 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: to underage drinking and explained she was unconscious for four 443 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: and a half hours after her drink was spiked at school, 444 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: because that's awful. Here's what she said. 445 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: So here, I was minding my own business on like 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: the third night of schools with my friend Courtney, and 447 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: we're just having some shots. I think I had like 448 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: six shots in like three minutes. So that's really bad. 449 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: I do not recommend that at all. So here, I 450 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: was having a shot. So walked out the door to 451 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: go to an apartment apartment kind of party across the 452 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 2: road with court So I was already drunk at that stage. 453 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: I went over there and then I was handed too 454 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: like shots of something. I don't know what it was. 455 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: I had no idea, and stupid Shany takes the shot. 456 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: After I took that shot, I cannot remember one single 457 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: thing that happened that night. 458 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: So Shanny was taken to the paramedic tent and given 459 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: a drip to get hydrated. She ended up vomiting on 460 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: herself several times. Now paramedics were ninety five percent sure 461 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: her drink was spiked. She did use it though, as 462 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity to encourage her audience to be vigilant with 463 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: their drinks, and said she had learned from her mistake. 464 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: I was very disturbed about another schooly story that she shared. 465 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: So Shanny's friend won a schoolies competition to get a 466 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: massage with Scotty Tea from Jordie Sure, what a blast 467 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: from the past. Now, Shanny was allowed to come along 468 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: as part of the prize and putting things into perspective. 469 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: At the time, Scotti Tea was twenty seven years old 470 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: and Shanny and her friend were seventeen. So who came 471 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: up with this concept? Let's get this guy from Geordie Shaw, 472 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: who's a ladies man. Let's get him this twenty seven 473 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: year old around a bunch of teenage schoolgirls. Because Scotti 474 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: Tea was good friends with Gary Beadle, they were known 475 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: for just bringing girls home after all of their nights out. Now, 476 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: when the girls arrived, they were told to get undressed 477 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: in front of Scotty Tea to get ready for the massage, 478 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: and Shanny said she told Scott to put his head 479 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: in a pillow and not look at them, just highly 480 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: in a pro Now, Following the massage, Scotti Ta asked 481 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: for Shany's number and continued texting her throughout the night. 482 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: He asked her to meet up and if she had 483 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: a friend for his friend. So Shanny very quickly got 484 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: the vibe that he was just interested in sex and 485 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: said to have a good night. She clearly watched Sjordy Shaw. 486 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 487 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: Well, Scotti t caught her back and asked what was 488 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: up and if she wanted to hang out the next 489 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: night and have drinks, and she told him she was 490 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: actually going home that day. She did confirm on her 491 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: YouTube that she didn't go to drinks with him because 492 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: she didn't want to have sex with him and that's 493 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: all he seemed interested in. She even ended up making 494 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: a snapchat where she explained that he just called to 495 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: hang out, but she said that she couldn't because she 496 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: was leaving now. She did say that even though she 497 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to have sex with him, she was quite 498 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: star struck by this experience and was somewhat fangirling about 499 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: him on her snapchat story. I wonder if he knew 500 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: how big she was at the time. Well, Scott ended 501 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: up seeing the snapchat story, so I assume he knew 502 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: who she was, and he contacted her and said why 503 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: did you make that snapchat and asked her to take 504 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: it down, and she said she was mortified and embarrassed 505 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: by the whole experience. W I'm assuming schoolies probably said 506 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: please don't sleep with the teenage girls that were lining 507 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: up activities with. Well, he continued to have a role 508 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: with schoolies from that time on. It just seems highly inappropriate. 509 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: I'd love to know how much he was paid. Well, 510 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: he probably got paid for free because he was had 511 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: no small board of young girls. No, he definitely would 512 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: have been paid. I mean, that's at a time when 513 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: they were absolutely huge and they were doing lots of 514 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: club appearances. Now that Shanny was out of school, she 515 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: was officially a full time YouTuber and this was fairly 516 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: unheard of at the time. An influencer or a YouTuber, 517 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't really viewed as a job title or a 518 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: career as it is now, because most people were unaware 519 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: of how much money could actually be made through brand deals, 520 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: and it was clear that YouTube was an escape and 521 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: a passion project for Shanny during her school years. Because 522 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: why she was so good at it, I think because 523 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: she didn't go into it thinking I'm gonna make lots 524 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: of money from YouTube like a lot of people do now. 525 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know, she wasn't that confident. It was 526 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of her way, her outlet, or yeah, well, any 527 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: free time she got she would blog. And she had 528 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: the realization that when it became her full time job, 529 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: it would add a level of pressure because there was 530 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: money writing on it, and I think she was worried 531 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: that it would become less authentic because she'd be required 532 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: to film on these days instead of choosing to film, 533 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: And you could really see that she was grappling with 534 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: it very early on. 535 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: I personally don't really want to do a schedule because 536 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: I don't want to feel like I have to upload 537 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: videos because I do get paid to make YouTube videos, 538 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 2: but I don't make them because I get paid. I 539 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: make them because I love interacting with you guys. I 540 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: love helping you guys, and just I don't know, I 541 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: just love, love, love making YouTube videos. So if I 542 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 2: was to make a schedule, I'd feel like I kind 543 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: of have to make it on this day at this time, 544 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: and I feel like maybe I wouldn't be as happy 545 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: in that video or in the videos that I have 546 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: to make, you know, I mean, like it's so hard 547 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: to explain. 548 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: It's interesting because there has been a number of studies 549 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: that have come out that said, once something becomes your 550 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: full time job, when previously it was a passion project, 551 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: you do lose motivation. It's such a strange phenomenon. 552 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: Ty, can you start this off because I'm scared, Well, 553 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: you haven't you specimen men men in your life? Okay? 554 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: And he's pretty too light gold and I'm pretty sure 555 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: you had chockol in your mouth and it was pretty. 556 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: But yes, I don't know what to say. I have 557 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: seen someone I've seen, but he's gonna see this. 558 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: Hell. This is where Jonathan Sour aka boyfriend Goals entered 559 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: the chat. I was very interested to learn Shani and 560 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan first met on Snapchat. Yeah, and Shanny was only 561 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: eighteen at the time and Jonathan was twenty three now. 562 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: According to Shani, Jonathan randomly added her and they began talking. 563 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: Wait was Snapchat? Was this like you know before Instagram dms? 564 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: Like sliding into the dms? Was it a thing to 565 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: connect with people on Snapchat? Or I would assume it 566 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: would have been quite difficult to find her Snapchat. Oh, 567 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: it all comes down to the fact that Shanni had 568 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: a large following, and I'm guessing that Jonathan probably saw 569 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: her online and thought, oh my God, I want to 570 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: talk to her. She's hot, who is she? And then 571 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: track down her Snapchat handle now on YouTube. Shanny said 572 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: she still doesn't know how Jonathan found her Snapchat name, 573 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: but as I said, I'm guessing he was aware of 574 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: who Shanny was and pursued her. Now they started chatting 575 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: on Snapchat and then moved the conversation to text, where 576 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: they soon began texting every day. A cute fun fact 577 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: that I had forgotten about this couple is that they 578 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: share the same birth except they are five years apart. 579 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: As you touched on, Jonathan is five years her senior, 580 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: which at the time did seem like a pretty big 581 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: age gap. It just reminds me of those girls at 582 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: high school and they get their older boyfriends to come 583 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: pick them up, and you think it's really cool, but 584 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: then when you get out of high school, you realize 585 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: it was a bit sad. Yeah, it was a bit 586 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: sad of the older guy rocking up to the I 587 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: in school. To be fair, though, I don't think it 588 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: was a huge age difference between them. It didn't seem 589 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: to be. Like Sharne seems a lot more mature for 590 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: her age. Now back to how they met, They did 591 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: speak via text for a few months until they randomly 592 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: or not so randomly, ran into each other outside a 593 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: nightclub on their joint birthdays. Here's what Sharnie said. 594 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: We met up on our birthdays, which was completely accidental. 595 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: I feel like, so we had the same birthdays. I 596 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: was coming out of my taxi to go to a 597 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: club and he was walking to a club. And I 598 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: came out of my car out of my taxi and 599 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: he was literally right there, like he was just walking 600 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: to the club and I was getting out, and I 601 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: was like, WHOA, I did not expect to see you here. 602 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: I was not expecting that at all. And then we 603 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: just met up at a different club later on, and 604 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: then we're literally together for the next four days straight. 605 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: And then we had sleepovers for like two months straight, 606 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: and then we started dating. 607 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: Well, I want to know, did they have snap maps 608 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: back then? I'm assuming not. Well, it would have been 609 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: easy to find her, because I get the vibe that Jonathan. 610 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word stalked as an 611 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: aggressive word, but I feel like he must have kind 612 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: of worked in, worked out where she was going to 613 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: be and wanted to make it happen because we've all 614 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: been there before. Yeah, and as you know, as an 615 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: eighteen year old girl, you would think, oh my god, 616 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: this is fate. This is a sign that I should 617 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: be with this guy. I've opened the taxi door. There 618 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: he is. Do you think that Shanny might have worked 619 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: out where he was going though? I got the vibe 620 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: that he was the one really pursuing this relationship from 621 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: the get go. He did have all of the ingredients 622 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: to be the perfect boyfriend of Instagram. 623 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're an accountant, you're twenty three, you live 624 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: with a few friends. Yeah, so I'm not from here 625 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: from Rocky, im rock Hampson, you grew up in Rocky. Yeah, 626 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: Shiny come and visited last week. 627 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: He was really every high school girl's dream. He was hot, 628 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: he was buff, he was the older guy, and he 629 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: seemed mature and like he had his life together. Yeah, 630 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: and with a new guy and life was a full 631 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: time YouTuber. Shiny Grimman was no longer the regular girl 632 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: next door. Every young girl was now aspiring to be 633 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: just like her. That is where we will leave you 634 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: for today's episode. Next week, we will explore what happens 635 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: when your relationship turned sour and you become the center 636 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: of Australia's hottest influencer click. 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