Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
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Speaker 1: streaming services today. On the podcast, I have one of
Speaker 1: the most iconic Big Brother players of all time, and
Speaker 1: I'm also going to say from around the world, it
Speaker 1: is Tully Smith and sadly she's out of the competition.
Speaker 1: Some housemates have had an impact that last a week
Speaker 1: and few that have lasted a decade. Tully entered Big
Speaker 1: Brother in twenty thirteen, and we have followed her story,
Speaker 1: whether it was on social media, in the press, or
Speaker 1: on her podcast Too Much Tully, We have been fascinated
Speaker 1: with her storytelling. Tully said she would play a different
Speaker 1: game this time around, and apart from some signature crying
Speaker 1: and complicated Drew drama, Tully added to the Big Brother
Speaker 1: conversation in a way that had us back at the
Speaker 1: water cooler unpacking her time in the house. We will talk,
Speaker 1: Drew tim Estelle. Let's face it, we'll talk about everyone
Speaker 1: that was in the house with Tully. We get some
Speaker 1: shocks and some intel that will have your calling your mates. However,
Speaker 1: let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome
Speaker 1: Tully smythe from twenty twenty two Big Brother back to
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: I did not experience that my first time around.
Speaker 3: We've been through a lot together, haven't we.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of that moment. Sonya liked it too,
Speaker 2: Drew and Gambla.
Speaker 3: This year it's my twenty first birthday.
Speaker 2: There is that element missing of you know, what are
Speaker 2: we not seeing?
Speaker 3: And I've invinted housemates both new and legendary.
Speaker 2: Three days without Droe is just haven't.
Speaker 3: Would experience be enough to take on the next generation
Speaker 3: of house me.
Speaker 2: It's time to let the next generation come up and
Speaker 2: come through.
Speaker 3: Yes, is Big Brother?
Speaker 1: Hi? Tolly? How are you?
Speaker 2: Hi? Van? I'm good, how are you well?
Speaker 1: Thanks for being on the podcast for the second time,
Speaker 1: because I can tell you out of Sonya and all
Speaker 1: of the housemates have had so far. Your episode is
Speaker 1: my highest downloaded episode. So you brought me ratings.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'm flattered. I think that's probably because we
Speaker 2: did it before it entered the house, right, people were
Speaker 2: kind of probably wondering, what the hell's going on? Where
Speaker 2: is she? What's happening.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to speak a fair bit before
Speaker 1: you went on the show, and you said that you
Speaker 1: had a few scores to settle with yourself. How do
Speaker 1: you think you went in terms of playing a different game.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so proud of myself. Like I it's been
Speaker 2: such a whirlwind, and so you know the show. It's
Speaker 2: not just the episode every night, is it? Like there
Speaker 2: is so much more that comes with the show. Like
Speaker 2: I'm constantly on Twitter and checking forums and reading articles,
Speaker 2: and it's so consuming. But when I take a moment
Speaker 2: and step back and think about my time in the
Speaker 2: show and what I achieved and how I held myself,
Speaker 2: I'm so damn proud of myself. Like I am world
Speaker 2: apart from the person I was nine years ago, and
Speaker 2: I think that I was throwing a lot of curveballs
Speaker 2: and I was on the back foot a lot of
Speaker 2: the time I came in on the back foot, and
Speaker 2: the fact that I still held my head high. I
Speaker 2: was kind, I was compassionate, I was empathetic. I played
Speaker 2: with integrity and honesty, like I can't really ask much
Speaker 2: more of myself.
Speaker 1: I don't think, well, I just felt like you were
Speaker 1: playing this game from an older woman's perspective. I think
Speaker 1: the first time we saw you, you just were like,
Speaker 1: you know, playing into who you were, a young twenty
Speaker 1: year old girl on a reality show, where this time
Speaker 1: around we saw more of a mature woman. I'd say, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, nine years is a long time, and it's
Speaker 2: not just been nine years. Those are quite you know,
Speaker 2: formative years. I was twenty five and now I'm almost
Speaker 2: thirty five. That is a really huge chunk of my life.
Speaker 2: And a lot's happened, you know, I lost my mum.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that really shaped you and makes you grow
Speaker 2: up faster than maybe other people. So that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: I did feel like one of the older ones in there,
Speaker 2: you know. I think as soon as Layla left, I
Speaker 2: think I was the oldest girl in there. I was, oh,
Speaker 2: oh wait, Lara and Lulu Okay, So but I definitely
Speaker 2: felt like one of the older, the older women in
Speaker 2: there for sure, especially having like a leash and Gabby
Speaker 2: around like they were like my little sisters. So yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of time has changed, and I'm glad that's
Speaker 2: reflective in how I've held myself well.
Speaker 1: A few of the housemates have come out saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, Drew still had this major effect on your game,
Speaker 1: and they kind of wish that Drew wasn't even in
Speaker 1: this series so they could have got to know you better.
Speaker 1: Is that an interesting thing to hear? As you very
Speaker 1: much wanted to play your own game, and in some
Speaker 1: ways you did. But then some of these housemates have
Speaker 1: come out saying, oh, I really wish Drew wasn't there
Speaker 1: so we could have had more of more Tully to ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, I wish the same thing. Like
Speaker 2: that's all I wanted was to come back and play
Speaker 2: without him. So I had a handicap. Again, I had
Speaker 2: the same handic and it was frustrating, but I did
Speaker 2: the best I could. I you know, I even I'd
Speaker 2: go into the diar room, big brother would try and
Speaker 2: ask me about Drew or Sam and I'd say, I'm
Speaker 2: actually not gonna talk about that, can you talk about me?
Speaker 2: So I tried my best to separate the two and
Speaker 2: to play on my own, but end of the day,
Speaker 2: he was in the house, and so you know, it
Speaker 2: was kind of hard to ignore. But I think I
Speaker 2: did the best I could. I've still got a massive heart,
Speaker 2: and I still have compassion, and I still care for
Speaker 2: the guy. I still want the best for him, So
Speaker 2: to my own detriment, you know, if I was more
Speaker 2: of a hard ass, if I was more of a tough,
Speaker 2: a tough, cold person and I could just shut him
Speaker 2: off or cut him off, or ignore him, or you know,
Speaker 2: be mean to him or rude to him, then maybe
Speaker 2: that would have helped me better. But that's just not
Speaker 2: who I am. So I'm not going to change my
Speaker 2: morals and ethics and who I am as a person
Speaker 2: just to play the game.
Speaker 1: Well, you gave us probably the most iconic line as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned watching the show, which was I'm
Speaker 1: dressed for my ex boyfriend's funeral, And it was it
Speaker 1: just landed so well. I could not stop laughing, and
Speaker 1: it stayed with me for days, and I loved reading
Speaker 1: all the comments of it online.
Speaker 2: Was that I Honestly, I forgot about that. I remember
Speaker 2: growing that fancy dress, so I took you know, I
Speaker 2: took a couple of fancy dresses in to where for
Speaker 2: what I thought would be big moments, you know, whether
Speaker 2: I was up, whether you know, I just you've got.
Speaker 2: I had a couple of key special dresses that I
Speaker 2: was saving, and that felt like a special night to
Speaker 2: whip one out. And I think the puffiness of the
Speaker 2: sleeves and the satin, I don't know, it felt very
Speaker 2: like wedding funeral vibes. But I forgot I said that,
Speaker 2: and then I saw Twitter go off. I was out
Speaker 2: that night, so I caught up a bit later. So
Speaker 2: I was seeing my Twitter go off, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's fucking hilarious. Like, I'm so glad I turned it
Speaker 2: into one of those gifts because apparently, like so far,
Speaker 2: all the gifts are of me crying typically, So I'm
Speaker 2: so glad that I now have that forever a little gift.
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of that moment. Sonya liked it too,
Speaker 2: Drew even gave it a laugh. So, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: one of my best lines for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting to watch the way that You've navigated
Speaker 1: your social media through this because you know, you and
Speaker 1: Estelle and a few people are live tweeting, which is
Speaker 1: so different to the Big Brother experience that you had
Speaker 1: last time, because it was all done and dusted by
Speaker 1: the time you got to talk to the outside world.
Speaker 1: How have you coped well having this ability to watch
Speaker 1: what you're seeing and then immediately interact with everything you
Speaker 1: know straight away on social media.
Speaker 2: Well, I've always loved that as a fan of really TV,
Speaker 2: so I've always loved when I'm really into a show
Speaker 2: or I'm watching a show and someone is live tweeting
Speaker 2: their thoughts. I can't did it really well with Master Chef.
Speaker 2: I loved it gives you that bit of an insight bts.
Speaker 2: You feel like you're privy to secret information, You're getting
Speaker 2: someone's personal thoughts on what's happening on your screen. So
Speaker 2: I think it's my kind of, I guess way of
Speaker 2: giving the old school fans that kind of live feed feel.
Speaker 2: I feel like there is that element missing of you know,
Speaker 2: what are we not seeing? Like we were just getting
Speaker 2: into aduced conversation and then it cuts to a challenge.
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm doing my best to offer a
Speaker 2: little bit more insight. If I'm watching a scene of
Speaker 2: the show and I feel like they've missed a really
Speaker 2: funny little anecdote or something hilarious happened right after that
Speaker 2: they didn't show. I kind of try and give that
Speaker 2: to my followers and to the Big Brother fans, so
Speaker 2: they feel like they're getting a more kind of like
Speaker 2: old school Big Brother feel. But it's been nice as
Speaker 2: well to feel like I'm able to expand on what
Speaker 2: people are seeing and give them what was going on
Speaker 2: in my head. That's felt kind of That's probably kept
Speaker 2: me saying to be honest, being able to kind of
Speaker 2: explain myself or offer more insight as I go along.
Speaker 2: It's definitely added a whole other layer to the show,
Speaker 2: I think, and it's as you've seen, it's caused quite
Speaker 2: a few blow ups on Twitter at the moment.
Speaker 1: But you've navigated Twitter better than some of the others,
Speaker 1: like and I know that you can get involved with
Speaker 1: the best of them, But I felt like, because I'm
Speaker 1: watching it constantly, I'm sure as you can see, I
Speaker 1: like along with the stuff that's happening, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like your interactions with everyone is quite balanced and
Speaker 1: it's actually quite fun without any stirring of anyone up
Speaker 1: or making anyone feel bad. I just think it's been
Speaker 1: fun to watch you unpack it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I think it's important, and I've tried this,
Speaker 2: you know, in the Big Brother group chat. But we
Speaker 2: all it doesn't matter who you are, whether you're Me
Speaker 2: with your Reggie, whether you're Trev with your Truss. We
Speaker 2: all cop our fair share of trolling and negative comments,
Speaker 2: and I just think that the last thing we need
Speaker 2: to be doing is adding to that, you know, to
Speaker 2: each other, Like we're copying enough from strangers. Let's try
Speaker 2: and stick together. Let's not turn on each other. We
Speaker 2: need to have each other's back. So it's it's been hard.
Speaker 2: There are definitely times where I've wanted to come out
Speaker 2: and be a little bit more pointed with my tweets
Speaker 2: or my comments. But what's the point. What's the point
Speaker 2: end of the day. Things might have happened in the
Speaker 2: house that frustrated me or upset me at the time,
Speaker 2: but as you know, we're all family. We're all going
Speaker 2: to be family forever now. We're all unfortunately or fortunately
Speaker 2: tied together forever in this weird world and this Big
Speaker 2: Brother family. So there's just no point. There's just no point.
Speaker 2: If I've got an issue with someone, if I watch
Speaker 2: something on the show and it upsets me or it
Speaker 2: surprises me, I'll text them offline privately. I just don't
Speaker 2: see the need to publicly drag anybody on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I love shocking people without though, and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: get to do this as well. But like even the logis,
Speaker 1: I was having a photo with a Stelle and we
Speaker 1: were laughing, and then immediately this big brother super fan
Speaker 1: stormed me and was like, but you two don't get along.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god. What people don't understand
Speaker 1: about the relationships within our little family or our little
Speaker 1: community is that we can say a lot about it
Speaker 1: about each other, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we have each other's back and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: love there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like siblings, right, Like you don't you fight
Speaker 2: with your siblings. There are days you don't like them.
Speaker 2: There sometimes days, weeks, months you don't speak to them,
Speaker 2: But end of the day, your family and it's all love.
Speaker 2: And when it comes to Christmas, we all get together
Speaker 2: and we all hug and everything's forgotten. So I just
Speaker 2: it is really like a family in that regard.
Speaker 1: Well, big Brother has this ability to make even the
Speaker 1: toughest of people cry. Tarras has talked about crying a
Speaker 1: lot during his time on the show, which we've never seen.
Speaker 1: But was it an unreasonable goal for you to say
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't cry this time around?
Speaker 2: I really went in there, like my boyfriend Daniel was
Speaker 2: like pumping me up. He's like, listen, like, let's just
Speaker 2: I was terrified of crying. I really was. The comments
Speaker 2: and the trolling were centralized around me being a wreck,
Speaker 2: me being a hurricane, me being a train wreck, me
Speaker 2: being unhinged, me being So I went in there being like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to show any emotion because that's just
Speaker 2: going to get me trolled again. And I was so
Speaker 2: scared about it, and I said that at night when
Speaker 2: I said I'm not going to cry this season, and
Speaker 2: I really was determined to. And then I think the
Speaker 2: first time I lost it was when Tim just out
Speaker 2: of the blue started coming for me in front of everybody,
Speaker 2: and I just felt so hurt and confused. I was like,
Speaker 2: I thought we were friends. But then it got to
Speaker 2: a point where I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: again that house throws so many things at you it
Speaker 2: would be exhausting to be anything other than yourself. And
Speaker 2: I am an emotional person. I cry at everything. I cry.
Speaker 2: I cried a hundred times watching the Logis last night.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll see a little old man on the street.
Speaker 2: I'll see a bird that's struggling and only has one leg,
Speaker 2: and it will make me emotional. So that's me every
Speaker 2: day when I'm in a great mood and I'm out
Speaker 2: in the real world meting that house else like, of
Speaker 2: course everything's under a magnifying glass. So yeah, it was
Speaker 2: optimistic of me to go in there, and Stag wasn't
Speaker 2: going to cry. But yeah, I have no shame and
Speaker 2: no qualms. I think I held it together and was
Speaker 2: much stronger than I was the first time round. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they are always going to be tears. Every single housemate
Speaker 2: in that house has pried multiple times, multiple times.
Speaker 1: Well, I found that that package where they showed like
Speaker 1: a montage if you crying a bit, it was hard
Speaker 1: to watch. I was like, because from a friend's perspective
Speaker 1: of you, I guess you sort of feel quite protective
Speaker 1: of people. I feel protective of you in some strange way.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you think that's very bizarre. But then when
Speaker 1: I watched this crying montage, I was like, no, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, I mean we all cried. I'm sure everyone's
Speaker 1: been crying in that house, but why is Tally getting
Speaker 1: the montage? Like?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, that's that's been exhausting. I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of followers message me and say, why in a
Speaker 2: room of crying people just the camera just zooming on
Speaker 2: your face. I guess they're giving the people what they want.
Speaker 2: You know, they know it's what I'm known for, and
Speaker 2: they're giving the people what they think they want to
Speaker 2: see me me emotional. But yeah, it has definitely been
Speaker 2: frustrating when I'll literally be, you know, sitting on the
Speaker 2: eviction chairs and I've got people crying either side of me,
Speaker 2: but the camera is just doing a really close seman
Speaker 2: on my crying face. And it's not a pretty crying
Speaker 2: face either. It's up there with Kimmy k like, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's an ugly cry face. So to have that immortalized
Speaker 2: once again, yeah, it's been tough. But I am who
Speaker 2: I am, and I'm not gonna apologize for being emotional,
Speaker 2: not anymore. I used to, and I did last time,
Speaker 2: but not anymore.
Speaker 1: I like that I can see where the crying is
Speaker 1: coming from, like a mile away. Though. It's like Samantha
Speaker 1: from Bewitched. You can see sort of your nose twitches.
Speaker 2: Because I'm I'm trying to keep it together. Like when
Speaker 2: I feel myself good emotional, I try to like do
Speaker 2: all the things, you know, look up to the sky
Speaker 2: and like you know, wave away tears. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: keep it together because I I'm trying to, yeah, hold
Speaker 2: my emotions in a little bit more. But yeah, the
Speaker 2: floodgates open and they just they open, and I am
Speaker 2: who I am?
Speaker 1: Were you sort of touched on this a little bit?
Speaker 1: But Tim really was your naughty brother stirring you up.
Speaker 1: And I think there was some fair things that he
Speaker 1: did and there was some unfair things that he did.
Speaker 1: I do have a different perspective of Tim watching him
Speaker 1: this time around. I do think that he really rattles
Speaker 1: people's cage to try and bring things out of people,
Speaker 1: and whether or not they want it brought out of
Speaker 1: them or not, he manages to get a reaction. Was
Speaker 1: Tim different in your mind this time around compared to
Speaker 1: what he was in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, he's definitely you know, since twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: he's kind of found his spiritual side, right, Like he
Speaker 2: meditates now, he takes time to himself. He centers himself,
Speaker 2: you know, his zend a little bit in that regard.
Speaker 2: But that's the Tim that I know on the outside.
Speaker 2: He has a game mode. You know, some people do,
Speaker 2: some people don't. And he goes into gay mode. And
Speaker 2: that's the Tim that I struggle to reconcile because the
Speaker 2: Tim that I know on the outside is not gay
Speaker 2: mode Tim. And so sometimes when you're living with him
Speaker 2: and he's both one and the same, I get confused.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, who am I dealing with right now?
Speaker 2: Am I talking to my friend Tim? And we're talking
Speaker 2: to gay mode Tim? But no, he you know we
Speaker 2: came in there, he said himself. You know his package.
Speaker 2: He's like, I've grown up a lot, I've calmed down.
Speaker 2: We're all the same at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Like we grow, we evolve. But a leopard doesn't change
Speaker 2: its spots, does it. So nothing surprised me with Tim.
Speaker 2: You see that in that footage, you know, we're having
Speaker 2: that sweet moment. I thought in the bathroom early days,
Speaker 2: and he's saying, you know, Tully, I can be your person,
Speaker 2: Like I'll be your person. Let's work together, and I'm
Speaker 2: going you can see my face. I'm like, come on,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not buying this. For a secon He's like, no,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like, let's work together? And I'm like, Tim,
Speaker 2: I just and I run strat to the diar room
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I I'm not buying that, Like I'm
Speaker 2: smart about this is not my first radio and then
Speaker 2: mere minutes later he's coming for me. So nothing surprised
Speaker 2: me with Tim. I you kind of just got to
Speaker 2: take him as he is, right. You gotta have fun
Speaker 2: with him, love him, have a good time with him,
Speaker 2: don't how many of the deepest, darker secrets, and maybe
Speaker 2: don't trust him all the time. But as long as
Speaker 2: you're okay with that, he's a great mate and he's
Speaker 2: a very fun person to play with. But no, he
Speaker 2: didn't surprise me. He's definitely chilled a little bit. There's
Speaker 2: no way in twenty thirteen he would have taken the
Speaker 2: time to like go and sit in the treehouse and meditate,
Speaker 2: So that part of him has definitely changed. But he's
Speaker 2: still the same LOLd to him, for better and for worse.
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed your friendship with Estelle. We spoke about
Speaker 1: this on the podcast last time, that that was a
Speaker 1: bit of a surprise to you that you had this
Speaker 1: connection with her. But there really has been a lot
Speaker 1: of talk about a sisterhood or a female bond of
Speaker 1: the girls on the show. Is that exactly how it
Speaker 1: played out while it was happening, or is that just
Speaker 1: a reflection now that you've come to it.
Speaker 2: No, Gabby Stella and I tried to have an all
Speaker 2: girl alliance. We really wanted a girl to win. It
Speaker 2: wasn't so much like a girls versus boys. It was
Speaker 2: more like a side, little support group where we would
Speaker 2: get together and be like, how do we keep this
Speaker 2: house female strong, how do we support each other? How
Speaker 2: do we we really wanted to take off. Alicia would
Speaker 2: come in occasionally and have a little chat with us,
Speaker 2: and then tap back out and go to Joel. And
Speaker 2: Sam would come in occasionally and be like yeah, girl power,
Speaker 2: but then run away back to Drew. So for a
Speaker 2: long time it was Gabby Stella and I with this
Speaker 2: sort of girl power alliance idea and then Jewels came
Speaker 2: in obviously, and she was all about girl power. She
Speaker 2: was a great addition, but it never really took off.
Speaker 2: It was kind of hard because the guys, you know,
Speaker 2: would at one point, I mean, I think it was
Speaker 2: last week, it was like seven of us, only seven
Speaker 2: of us were available to be put up and Drew
Speaker 2: was the only guy.
Speaker 1: The rest were girls.
Speaker 2: That kind of changed things we had to That was
Speaker 2: the first time we had to kind of start looking
Speaker 2: each other as in, are are we going to do this?
Speaker 2: Is this the time where we have to eat each
Speaker 2: other up? But no, there really was a beautiful sisterhood
Speaker 2: in there. I did not experience that my first time round.
Speaker 2: It was not like that, as you know, the girls,
Speaker 2: all of us girls didn't get together and all hang
Speaker 2: out and have girl time. I think the only time
Speaker 2: we hung out as a girl squad was and we
Speaker 2: had to in the hot Pants Challenge where we became
Speaker 2: a girl band. I think that's the only time all
Speaker 2: of us girls hang out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of conflict between Tahan and the
Speaker 2: Sugar Sisters and Michaela and Tahan, so I didn't have
Speaker 2: that sort of sisterhood feeling in twenty thirteen, but there
Speaker 2: was definitely more of a women supporting women vibe this year,
Speaker 2: and I'm so so for it, so for it.
Speaker 1: And then you look at this way in which the
Speaker 1: game works this time around, and one of the things
Speaker 1: you really wanted was to supersede Drew. Now he's still
Speaker 1: in the show, However, I feel like you did get
Speaker 1: to watch him be evicted, so I feel like we've
Speaker 1: got to see him, you know, go before you even
Speaker 1: though he's now still in there. Is it hard to
Speaker 1: watch some of those twists considering he was fairly evicted
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hard to watch. It was hard to live.
Speaker 2: I feel like Drew got a few extra lives in
Speaker 2: there that were, you know, thrown to him by the
Speaker 2: producers of by Big Brother. It was hard. I think
Speaker 2: he says at some point that you know, he says
Speaker 2: to Sonya, I mean officially, Talie did win. She got
Speaker 2: me out first. And I appreciated that life line from
Speaker 2: him because it was really important to me. And that
Speaker 2: was a really tough move and a really big move
Speaker 2: of me to stick my neck out because you know,
Speaker 2: as they showed it differently obviously, but we didn't vote
Speaker 2: the way that it was depicted. I voted smack bang
Speaker 2: in the middle and it wasn't going either way. I
Speaker 2: did stick my neck out by putting my point on Drew,
Speaker 2: and I assume I'm never gonna know, but I would
Speaker 2: say that would probably created a snowball effect.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Dave saw me do it, so we thought, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll do that too. So, yeah, it was tough. It
Speaker 2: was tough the way I went out. Yeah, it's stung.
Speaker 2: It definitely stung to be betrayed once again by the
Speaker 2: same guy that's been portraying me for nine years. Not ideal,
Speaker 2: but I am gonna I am gonna hold onto that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold onto the fact that I actually, officially
Speaker 2: on paper, managed to a victim first for sure. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was gone for three days. It was a blissful
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you those those three days without Drew
Speaker 2: was just heaven. That's all I ever wanted.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I guess I did in some ways get my you know,
Speaker 2: brother experienced sands Drew. It was great three days the
Speaker 2: ball pit as well. He wasn't part of that. That
Speaker 2: was so much fun. So yeah, I did get a
Speaker 2: little slice of heaven in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: I've wanted to be a fly on the wall. You've
Speaker 1: moved in with Daniel, your new boyfriend, who's not your
Speaker 1: new boyfriend anymore, because it's been going on for a while,
Speaker 1: but I think it's funny that we all talk about him,
Speaker 1: it's your new boyfriend. I would love to have been
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall to watch him watching you
Speaker 1: on the show. How has he gone watching you in
Speaker 1: Big Brother? Has he been enjoying it? Does he find
Speaker 1: it hard to watch?
Speaker 2: He's never been a fan of really TV program. I
Speaker 2: think the only program he likes to watch his Survivor,
Speaker 2: And even that he doesn't really tune in or commit.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really follow the storyline, so he taps in
Speaker 2: and out, like if I know it's an episode where
Speaker 2: you know, when I won the challenge, or when I
Speaker 2: did really well in that water tank, you know, drowning
Speaker 2: alive to challenge. He'll be cooking dinner and I'll be like,
Speaker 2: come over, bead quickly quick. This is a part where
Speaker 2: I do really well, where I do really well. So
Speaker 2: when I'm doing something cool or you know, I found
Speaker 2: the gold ball, I call him over to watch those moments,
Speaker 2: but he's not really he's not really cross it. He
Speaker 2: hasn't really been following it. So he taps in and out,
Speaker 2: but he does and really sit down and obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: And also I'm not the funnest person to watch it
Speaker 2: with either, Like I'm not sitting there, you know, engaging.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there on Twitter trying to keep up live tweeting,
Speaker 2: checking my phone like I'm in my zone. Man, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like I need a bubble to like work in.
Speaker 2: So he taps in and out. He's seen all the
Speaker 2: best bits. He's seen, Yeah, me winning challenges, me doing
Speaker 2: really well, funny things, you know, me with the snakes.
Speaker 2: He's seen all the best bits, but he's not really
Speaker 2: been following along, not like I have.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it just makes me think of my partner Ben
Speaker 1: so much because that's exactly what Ben is like. You know,
Speaker 1: Ben'll be supportive, you know, on anything that I do,
Speaker 1: but I'll be saying, come and look at this on
Speaker 1: the screen, or this has happened, or you know, listen
Speaker 1: to this thing for my podcast. And yeah, he's kind
Speaker 1: of supportive, but I mean it's not really his bag.
Speaker 2: So no, and I think he finds it a bit cringey,
Speaker 2: Like I think he like, I have no shame, right,
Speaker 2: clearly it's been nine years.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I'm influenza for a fucking living. But I think he
Speaker 2: sees me, like, you know, doing dumb things and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, oh please stop play like it's the ick.
Speaker 2: I think I give him the ick when he watches it.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because with like the challenge that I
Speaker 2: won with Joel early days, I don't want to tell anyone,
Speaker 2: any of my loved ones, what challenge I want. I said,
Speaker 2: I want a challenge, but I wasn't gona tell them
Speaker 2: which one because I want them to be surprised and
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, is this the one you win?
Speaker 2: And so he's cooking dinner in the kitchen with Matthew's
Speaker 2: brother and I'm on the couch this way, and I'm
Speaker 2: I didn't. I was like, guys, can you just just
Speaker 2: just come sit down for I don't want to be
Speaker 2: like I'm win this one, Please come fucking watch it.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, can you guys just didn't? Can
Speaker 2: wait a minute? Can we just all sit in the
Speaker 2: couch for a bit. I'm like, come watch Me do Good.
Speaker 2: Come watch Me do Good. But yeah, he's been supportive.
Speaker 2: It's obviously not been easy. It's not been the ride
Speaker 2: or the adventure we thought it would be. But he's
Speaker 2: been absolutely incredible, like amazing. He deserves a a gold
Speaker 2: staff putting up with me and everything that comes with me.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's just so nice
Speaker 1: that you've got someone that has that balance because I
Speaker 1: need it.
Speaker 2: I really need it, like I need Yeah, you can't
Speaker 2: have someone you can have of us dating like that,
Speaker 2: you kind of to like rally TV obsessed people dating,
Speaker 2: because you just you'd become a real wido. I really
Speaker 2: need someone that's like shut the laptop, get off your phone,
Speaker 2: like pick up a book, like you can need to
Speaker 2: switch off for a bit. I definitely need something like.
Speaker 1: That, and so do you. Yeah, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: need the balance. I have to ask at this point
Speaker 1: of the game. You know, there's such a newbie versus
Speaker 1: OG situation still going on, as problematic as things are
Speaker 1: unfolding with the ogs, but do you now have a
Speaker 1: preference as to who you want to win? Like? Are
Speaker 1: you going to be upset if it's not an OG?
Speaker 1: How do you want this to play out.
Speaker 2: Controversially, I never wanted it to be an OG that
Speaker 2: took it home. I wanted us to go as far
Speaker 2: as we could go and support each other. But my
Speaker 2: dream result, what I thought was fair the whole time,
Speaker 2: is the top three to be two Newbes and an OG.
Speaker 2: I would love to see one of us to continue
Speaker 2: the legacy and like pass on the baton, but I
Speaker 2: really thought it was fair that two new Bees were
Speaker 2: up there. I really feel like we have had our time.
Speaker 2: It's been such an honor and what a privilege to
Speaker 2: come back and play it all again. But I think
Speaker 2: it's it's time to let the next generation come up
Speaker 2: and come through. So I always wanted it to be
Speaker 2: one OG and two new Bees. That was my dream
Speaker 2: top three. That's what I wanted playing the game as well.
Speaker 2: I even said, you know, when I was in the
Speaker 2: eviction room chairs and it was me, Drew, and Johnson,
Speaker 2: I said, I think it needs to be Draw I
Speaker 2: that leave. It's not Johnson's time to go, like he
Speaker 2: needs to stay.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't happy that I left before Drew and that
Speaker 2: he outlasted me, but I am glad that Johnson stayed
Speaker 2: I truly mean that. So, yeah, my dream top three
Speaker 2: would be too og at one og and two new bees.
Speaker 1: Who's going to take it worse if they don't win
Speaker 1: this competition? Tim or Reggie? Tim?
Speaker 2: Tim would be so but he really wants He really
Speaker 2: wants to win it. It means the world to him,
Speaker 2: and he's not used to losing, right, Like he just
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to. He's never been a vict, Like
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what it's like to not to not
Speaker 2: get what you want. I just I would love to
Speaker 2: see Tim throw his toys out the car. I think
Speaker 2: that would be very entertaining.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll buy some popcorn for that one. I think.
Speaker 1: I think I would find it really stressful to even
Speaker 1: watched him be eliminated.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't feel right, does it? Like I thought
Speaker 2: of himming them that it feels like something's gone wrong,
Speaker 2: Like what some that's it? Doesn't I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever considered a possibility, like quite clearly none
Speaker 2: of us did in the house. How the kid has
Speaker 2: gone this long with not one nomination point? I have
Speaker 2: no fucking idea. It just doesn't feel like it's something
Speaker 2: that's possible to evictim. But I guess we'll have to
Speaker 2: wait and see see how long you last.
Speaker 1: He's a wizard. He's a wizard now he is a wizard.
Speaker 1: He's a big brother wizard. I have to ask you.
Speaker 1: Everyone's getting this. It's Gretel Colleen's top ten questions that
Speaker 1: she used to ask the Channel ten housemates back in
Speaker 1: the day as a celebration of twenty one years. M hm,
Speaker 1: are you ready for a rapid fire of Gretel Colleen's
Speaker 1: top ten question?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Shoot? What did you miss the most while you're inside
Speaker 1: the Big Brother House?
Speaker 2: Daniel? That's an easy one, So.
Speaker 1: Easy, okay, boring hom asleep? Who was your favorite person?
Speaker 1: You can only pick one? Oh?
Speaker 2: All up? Oh Trev.
Speaker 1: It's such a great moment of you and Trev in
Speaker 1: the kitchen that day. Trev looks at you and goes,
Speaker 1: this is so twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: He was starstruck by me. He was really enjoying watching
Speaker 2: he thought, watching me and Drew interact and having Tim
Speaker 2: there like he felt like he was watching the show,
Speaker 2: which I found so funny because I was starstruck by him.
Speaker 1: Who was your least favorite housemate? Lara? Who had the
Speaker 1: most annoying habit.
Speaker 2: Oh Gabby. Gabby was so messy, shit cups everywhere. She
Speaker 2: would have twelve cups by her bed. It was aggravating.
Speaker 2: Its fuck, I hated.
Speaker 1: You've continued the success story of no one saying anyone
Speaker 1: else but Gabby and Alisha. Like basically everyone's either said
Speaker 1: Gabby and Alisha or Gabby, so obviously there's go I.
Speaker 2: Love them both to death, but they reminded me why
Speaker 2: I was glad I never had little sisters because that
Speaker 2: their their bedside by side. It was just an absolute bombsite,
Speaker 2: absolute bombsite.
Speaker 1: Who was the funniest person in the house. Oh, Tim
Speaker 1: probably let him have it, giving it.
Speaker 2: I hate giving that to him.
Speaker 1: Who was the laziest person in the house?
Speaker 2: Alicia? Okay, great, she didn't even I don't think she
Speaker 2: stacked the dishwasher once. I think she knows how to
Speaker 2: stack a dishwasher. Uh.
Speaker 1: What would be your greatest regret coming out of the.
Speaker 2: Show, M I can't have any regrets. I can't have
Speaker 2: any regrets.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on telling I know, I know you you're
Speaker 1: always you know, unpacking the game? Do you know what?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I putting? Sending Lulu home. I
Speaker 2: still struggle. I still struggle with that on a personal
Speaker 2: level because she's just such a sweetheart. So probably that
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny that you say, I mean,
Speaker 2: I did in personally send her home. Three of us slipped,
Speaker 2: but it felt like I personally sent her home.
Speaker 1: But isn't that funny? You know, you're such a iconic
Speaker 1: Big Brother player and you understand the game really well,
Speaker 1: and that's funny that you highlight that moment because that
Speaker 1: really shook the house. You know, that was a real
Speaker 1: turning point for a lot of people's stories, that moment.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can understand why you would pick that
Speaker 1: as a regret.
Speaker 2: She just we just weren't as close. We just didn't
Speaker 2: have the personal relationship that Sam and I had. People
Speaker 2: were wrongly assuming I did it for Drew. I didn't.
Speaker 2: Sam and I were really close. You didn't see any
Speaker 2: of our friendship, Like we had a lot of really
Speaker 2: beautiful moments Sam and I and Lulu and I just
Speaker 2: kind of would like high five in the hallway. So
Speaker 2: I knew that if I saved Sam that night, she
Speaker 2: would owe me a favor, and possibly so would Drew.
Speaker 2: So that's two possible votes. To my corner, and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't assure myself that with Lulu so but she's
Speaker 2: just so much fun and I love that woman to death,
Speaker 2: and she's just the sweet I sent her this long
Speaker 2: apologetic message. She's like, Darling, Darling, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. She's like, you go with your heart,
Speaker 2: that's okay.
Speaker 1: I like, okay, No, for where a k box in
Speaker 1: the city. I'll go make it up for me out
Speaker 1: a karaoke session.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I can't wait to do karaoke with Lulaw in prison.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Who's going to be out next? Not
Speaker 1: what you know now, because obviously you know him a
Speaker 1: little bit more. But who did you think was going
Speaker 1: to follow you out of the house?
Speaker 2: I would believed if it wasn't true. Like I can't
Speaker 2: handle him going. I'm already pissed off that he's at
Speaker 2: lasted me. He can't do one more than top ten.
Speaker 2: I'll be pissed.
Speaker 1: Who is going to win this thing? Who's going to
Speaker 1: take out big?
Speaker 2: I wanted to be Johnson? Johnson, Yeah, my vote, I
Speaker 2: said to Johnson. I turned to him as I was
Speaker 2: being evicted, and I said Take it home, baby, take
Speaker 2: it home. So yeah, I wanted to be Johnson.
Speaker 1: Well, my last question that I ask everybody that's on
Speaker 1: the podcast is something I've already asked you before, but
Speaker 1: you'll just have to give me a tasty morsel. What
Speaker 1: is something from behind the scenes of your experience and
Speaker 1: Big Brother that where's an audience didn't see that we
Speaker 1: will not see that might be an interesting, you know,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes moment that audience was would appreciate to
Speaker 1: hear from you. Uh.
Speaker 2: In my last week, I think we were all just
Speaker 2: getting a little bit you know, we were missing our
Speaker 2: family and missing our loved ones. We'd been put through
Speaker 2: the ringer, we were tired, and we according to the
Speaker 2: Diary room, and rather than it being Big Brother, it
Speaker 2: was Lisa Fardi, who is one of the executive producers,
Speaker 2: and she just kind of gave us a bit of
Speaker 2: a pep talk and she's like, guys, but coming down
Speaker 2: to the pointing end, this is it like you were
Speaker 2: never going to have this experience ever again. You have
Speaker 2: to make the most of it. You are having a
Speaker 2: once a laugh of opportunity and this is incredible. The
Speaker 2: meaning you leave this house, you're going to want to
Speaker 2: be back in there, and you're going to think about
Speaker 2: it for the rest of your life, so just make
Speaker 2: the most of it. And I it just gave me goosebumps.
Speaker 2: I have goosebumps now relaying that because I remember I
Speaker 2: was like, she's so right, Like I can't believe I'm
Speaker 2: getting a chance to do this again. These newbies have
Speaker 2: no idea how special this is because you kind of
Speaker 2: get lost in it and then you leave, You're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, let me back, let me back.
Speaker 1: Reality TV is crack cocaine. Once they get in there,
Speaker 1: they just are going to ruin their lives to try
Speaker 1: and get back in. And I yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was a nice moment where she kind of just
Speaker 2: made us all sort of remember how luck we were,
Speaker 2: and we all kind of left the diary room, I
Speaker 2: think Reggie Bottieri and we're just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: we are so lucky to be here, and it just
Speaker 2: really sort of reminded us of, Yeah, how grateful and
Speaker 2: how lucky we all are to be able to experience
Speaker 2: something like Big Brothers.
Speaker 1: That was a really nice moment, Tully. I have literally
Speaker 1: loved it, like eating a whole box of cabri favorites
Speaker 1: watching you on the show. It wouldn't have been an
Speaker 1: OG's versus newbies without you. You are such an iconic
Speaker 1: player and can let me cry stop? No, you just
Speaker 1: gave us something so amazing to see, because the whole
Speaker 1: idea of revisiting people's characters and in All Stars is
Speaker 1: that we get to see the follow up of a storyline,
Speaker 1: and I felt like you really gave that to us
Speaker 1: as an audience. So I thank you for that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you. I appreciate that. Can
Speaker 2: you see it for a tissue here? That's for that reason.
Speaker 1: I'm a brand for you, my friend, to have a
Speaker 1: few tears so.
Speaker 2: The Kleenics come and give me some kind of ambassadorship
Speaker 2: or like, can I've be in the face of kleenics already?
Speaker 2: Lives has taken them so long to reach out.
Speaker 1: I think after yourself, mate, It was a good chat.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I love you.
Speaker 1: M