WEBVTT - TULLY EXITS BB AND WE HAVE THE GOSSIP! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.000 TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.559 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this podcast, 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.039 I go behind the scenes with the biggest players in television. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.280 Each episode you will get a front row seat with 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:20.560 content makers like executive producers, writers, editors, and casting agents, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.280 plus the talent that we see on our screens. TV 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.760 Reload reloads the shows that you were currently watching and 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.040 gives you a better insight at our television industry and 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.199 streaming services today. On the podcast, I have one of 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.879 the most iconic Big Brother players of all time, and 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.559 I'm also going to say from around the world, it 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.560 is Tully Smith and sadly she's out of the competition. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.960 Some housemates have had an impact that last a week 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.400 and few that have lasted a decade. Tully entered Big 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.000 Brother in twenty thirteen, and we have followed her story, 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.960 whether it was on social media, in the press, or 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.320 on her podcast Too Much Tully, We have been fascinated 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.880 with her storytelling. Tully said she would play a different 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.440 game this time around, and apart from some signature crying 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.920 and complicated Drew drama, Tully added to the Big Brother 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.840 conversation in a way that had us back at the 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.560 water cooler unpacking her time in the house. We will talk, 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.920 Drew tim Estelle. Let's face it, we'll talk about everyone 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.479 that was in the house with Tully. We get some 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.400 shocks and some intel that will have your calling your mates. However, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.120 let's get started with today's guest. I'd like to welcome 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.600 Tully smythe from twenty twenty two Big Brother back to 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:34.160 the future. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.520 I did not experience that my first time around. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.280 We've been through a lot together, haven't we. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.520 I'm really proud of that moment. Sonya liked it too, 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:44.760 Drew and Gambla. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.240 This year it's my twenty first birthday. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:51.920 There is that element missing of you know, what are 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:52.559 we not seeing? 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:58.440 And I've invinted housemates both new and legendary. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.480 Three days without Droe is just haven't. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:06.680 Would experience be enough to take on the next generation 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:07.400 of house me. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.080 It's time to let the next generation come up and 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:11.560 come through. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.320 Yes, is Big Brother? 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.520 Hi? Tolly? How are you? 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.079 Hi? Van? I'm good, how are you well? 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.919 Thanks for being on the podcast for the second time, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.959 because I can tell you out of Sonya and all 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.960 of the housemates have had so far. Your episode is 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.520 my highest downloaded episode. So you brought me ratings. 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.160 Oh wow, I'm flattered. I think that's probably because we 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.640 did it before it entered the house, right, people were 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.600 kind of probably wondering, what the hell's going on? Where 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.480 is she? What's happening. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.400 We got a chance to speak a fair bit before 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.240 you went on the show, and you said that you 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.800 had a few scores to settle with yourself. How do 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:47.839 you think you went in terms of playing a different game. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.359 Oh, I'm so proud of myself. Like I it's been 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.919 such a whirlwind, and so you know the show. It's 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.880 not just the episode every night, is it? Like there 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.640 is so much more that comes with the show. Like 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.960 I'm constantly on Twitter and checking forums and reading articles, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.600 and it's so consuming. But when I take a moment 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.360 and step back and think about my time in the 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.080 show and what I achieved and how I held myself, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:11.920 I'm so damn proud of myself. Like I am world 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.919 apart from the person I was nine years ago, and 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.320 I think that I was throwing a lot of curveballs 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.080 and I was on the back foot a lot of 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.120 the time I came in on the back foot, and 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.200 the fact that I still held my head high. I 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.560 was kind, I was compassionate, I was empathetic. I played 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:28.440 with integrity and honesty, like I can't really ask much 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.080 more of myself. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.200 I don't think, well, I just felt like you were 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.760 playing this game from an older woman's perspective. I think 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.600 the first time we saw you, you just were like, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.960 you know, playing into who you were, a young twenty 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.320 year old girl on a reality show, where this time 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.400 around we saw more of a mature woman. I'd say, yeah, 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:44.760 for sure. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:46.560 I mean, nine years is a long time, and it's 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.920 not just been nine years. Those are quite you know, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.400 formative years. I was twenty five and now I'm almost 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.800 thirty five. That is a really huge chunk of my life. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.760 And a lot's happened, you know, I lost my mum. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.800 Stuff like that really shaped you and makes you grow 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.200 up faster than maybe other people. So that doesn't surprise me. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.680 I did feel like one of the older ones in there, 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.600 you know. I think as soon as Layla left, I 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.680 think I was the oldest girl in there. I was, oh, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.640 oh wait, Lara and Lulu Okay, So but I definitely 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.640 felt like one of the older, the older women in 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.960 there for sure, especially having like a leash and Gabby 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.719 around like they were like my little sisters. So yeah, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.279 a lot of time has changed, and I'm glad that's 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.920 reflective in how I've held myself well. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.880 A few of the housemates have come out saying that, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.000 you know, Drew still had this major effect on your game, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.000 and they kind of wish that Drew wasn't even in 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.919 this series so they could have got to know you better. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.599 Is that an interesting thing to hear? As you very 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.760 much wanted to play your own game, and in some 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.719 ways you did. But then some of these housemates have 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.040 come out saying, oh, I really wish Drew wasn't there 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.240 so we could have had more of more Tully to ourselves. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.599 Yeah, I mean absolutely, I wish the same thing. Like 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.400 that's all I wanted was to come back and play 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.280 without him. So I had a handicap. Again, I had 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.640 the same handic and it was frustrating, but I did 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.680 the best I could. I you know, I even I'd 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.560 go into the diar room, big brother would try and 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.560 ask me about Drew or Sam and I'd say, I'm 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.280 actually not gonna talk about that, can you talk about me? 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.360 So I tried my best to separate the two and 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.640 to play on my own, but end of the day, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.120 he was in the house, and so you know, it 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.640 was kind of hard to ignore. But I think I 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.280 did the best I could. I've still got a massive heart, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.520 and I still have compassion, and I still care for 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.919 the guy. I still want the best for him, So 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.840 to my own detriment, you know, if I was more 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.080 of a hard ass, if I was more of a tough, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.680 a tough, cold person and I could just shut him 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.600 off or cut him off, or ignore him, or you know, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.080 be mean to him or rude to him, then maybe 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:41.599 that would have helped me better. But that's just not 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.880 who I am. So I'm not going to change my 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.000 morals and ethics and who I am as a person 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:46.760 just to play the game. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.000 Well, you gave us probably the most iconic line as 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.640 far as I'm concerned watching the show, which was I'm 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.080 dressed for my ex boyfriend's funeral, And it was it 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.279 just landed so well. I could not stop laughing, and 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.320 it stayed with me for days, and I loved reading 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:00.799 all the comments of it online. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.839 Was that I Honestly, I forgot about that. I remember 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.080 growing that fancy dress, so I took you know, I 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.039 took a couple of fancy dresses in to where for 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.000 what I thought would be big moments, you know, whether 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.839 I was up, whether you know, I just you've got. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.159 I had a couple of key special dresses that I 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.200 was saving, and that felt like a special night to 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.800 whip one out. And I think the puffiness of the 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.400 sleeves and the satin, I don't know, it felt very 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.440 like wedding funeral vibes. But I forgot I said that, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.640 and then I saw Twitter go off. I was out 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.599 that night, so I caught up a bit later. So 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.719 I was seeing my Twitter go off, and I was like, Oh, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.760 that's fucking hilarious. Like, I'm so glad I turned it 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.680 into one of those gifts because apparently, like so far, 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.960 all the gifts are of me crying typically, So I'm 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.080 so glad that I now have that forever a little gift. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.240 I'm really proud of that moment. Sonya liked it too, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.640 Drew even gave it a laugh. So, yeah, that was 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.200 one of my best lines for sure. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.719 Well, it's interesting to watch the way that You've navigated 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.960 your social media through this because you know, you and 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.360 Estelle and a few people are live tweeting, which is 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.000 so different to the Big Brother experience that you had 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.720 last time, because it was all done and dusted by 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.000 the time you got to talk to the outside world. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.280 How have you coped well having this ability to watch 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.200 what you're seeing and then immediately interact with everything you 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.040 know straight away on social media. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.400 Well, I've always loved that as a fan of really TV, 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.600 so I've always loved when I'm really into a show 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.840 or I'm watching a show and someone is live tweeting 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.480 their thoughts. I can't did it really well with Master Chef. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:28.400 I loved it gives you that bit of an insight bts. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.320 You feel like you're privy to secret information, You're getting 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.000 someone's personal thoughts on what's happening on your screen. So 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.720 I think it's my kind of, I guess way of 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.239 giving the old school fans that kind of live feed feel. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.120 I feel like there is that element missing of you know, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.559 what are we not seeing? Like we were just getting 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.880 into aduced conversation and then it cuts to a challenge. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.360 So I guess I'm doing my best to offer a 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.640 little bit more insight. If I'm watching a scene of 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.320 the show and I feel like they've missed a really 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.680 funny little anecdote or something hilarious happened right after that 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.320 they didn't show. I kind of try and give that 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.040 to my followers and to the Big Brother fans, so 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.720 they feel like they're getting a more kind of like 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.920 old school Big Brother feel. But it's been nice as 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.560 well to feel like I'm able to expand on what 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.720 people are seeing and give them what was going on 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.840 in my head. That's felt kind of That's probably kept 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.600 me saying to be honest, being able to kind of 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.120 explain myself or offer more insight as I go along. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.040 It's definitely added a whole other layer to the show, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.440 I think, and it's as you've seen, it's caused quite 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.880 a few blow ups on Twitter at the moment. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.400 But you've navigated Twitter better than some of the others, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.600 like and I know that you can get involved with 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.400 the best of them, But I felt like, because I'm 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.640 watching it constantly, I'm sure as you can see, I 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.240 like along with the stuff that's happening, but I just 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.360 feel like your interactions with everyone is quite balanced and 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:53.400 it's actually quite fun without any stirring of anyone up 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.080 or making anyone feel bad. I just think it's been 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.719 fun to watch you unpack it. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.360 Thank you. I think it's important, and I've tried this, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.160 you know, in the Big Brother group chat. But we 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.200 all it doesn't matter who you are, whether you're Me 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.720 with your Reggie, whether you're Trev with your Truss. We 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.560 all cop our fair share of trolling and negative comments, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.640 and I just think that the last thing we need 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.560 to be doing is adding to that, you know, to 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.800 each other, Like we're copying enough from strangers. Let's try 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.200 and stick together. Let's not turn on each other. We 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.040 need to have each other's back. So it's it's been hard. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:25.679 There are definitely times where I've wanted to come out 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.920 and be a little bit more pointed with my tweets 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.560 or my comments. But what's the point. What's the point 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.840 end of the day. Things might have happened in the 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.920 house that frustrated me or upset me at the time, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.240 but as you know, we're all family. We're all going 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.200 to be family forever now. We're all unfortunately or fortunately 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.720 tied together forever in this weird world and this Big 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.480 Brother family. So there's just no point. There's just no point. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.080 If I've got an issue with someone, if I watch 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.200 something on the show and it upsets me or it 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.200 surprises me, I'll text them offline privately. I just don't 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.480 see the need to publicly drag anybody on Twitter. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.800 I love shocking people without though, and I'm sure you 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.640 get to do this as well. But like even the logis, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.520 I was having a photo with a Stelle and we 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.040 were laughing, and then immediately this big brother super fan 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.680 stormed me and was like, but you two don't get along. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.400 And it's like, oh my god. What people don't understand 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.640 about the relationships within our little family or our little 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.360 community is that we can say a lot about it 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.160 about each other, but at the end of the day, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.559 we have each other's back and there's a lot of 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:25.000 love there. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.960 Yeah, it's like siblings, right, Like you don't you fight 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.080 with your siblings. There are days you don't like them. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.760 There sometimes days, weeks, months you don't speak to them, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.680 But end of the day, your family and it's all love. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.120 And when it comes to Christmas, we all get together 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.320 and we all hug and everything's forgotten. So I just 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.200 it is really like a family in that regard. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.520 Well, big Brother has this ability to make even the 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.440 toughest of people cry. Tarras has talked about crying a 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.679 lot during his time on the show, which we've never seen. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.440 But was it an unreasonable goal for you to say 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.000 that you wouldn't cry this time around? 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.199 I really went in there, like my boyfriend Daniel was 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.560 like pumping me up. He's like, listen, like, let's just 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.600 I was terrified of crying. I really was. The comments 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.120 and the trolling were centralized around me being a wreck, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.760 me being a hurricane, me being a train wreck, me 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.520 being unhinged, me being So I went in there being like, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.840 I'm not going to show any emotion because that's just 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:16.640 going to get me trolled again. And I was so 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.360 scared about it, and I said that at night when 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:19.679 I said I'm not going to cry this season, and 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.960 I really was determined to. And then I think the 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.719 first time I lost it was when Tim just out 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.280 of the blue started coming for me in front of everybody, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.880 and I just felt so hurt and confused. I was like, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.920 I thought we were friends. But then it got to 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.400 a point where I was like, you know what, I 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.960 again that house throws so many things at you it 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.560 would be exhausting to be anything other than yourself. And 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.000 I am an emotional person. I cry at everything. I cry. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.960 I cried a hundred times watching the Logis last night. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.160 You know, I'll see a little old man on the street. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.200 I'll see a bird that's struggling and only has one leg, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.839 and it will make me emotional. So that's me every 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.120 day when I'm in a great mood and I'm out 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.760 in the real world meting that house else like, of 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.520 course everything's under a magnifying glass. So yeah, it was 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.080 optimistic of me to go in there, and Stag wasn't 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.559 going to cry. But yeah, I have no shame and 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.560 no qualms. I think I held it together and was 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.600 much stronger than I was the first time round. But yeah, 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.679 they are always going to be tears. Every single housemate 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.640 in that house has pried multiple times, multiple times. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:20.920 Well, I found that that package where they showed like 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.680 a montage if you crying a bit, it was hard 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.360 to watch. I was like, because from a friend's perspective 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.120 of you, I guess you sort of feel quite protective 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 of people. I feel protective of you in some strange way. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.839 I'm sure you think that's very bizarre. But then when 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.319 I watched this crying montage, I was like, no, oh 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.040 my gosh, I mean we all cried. I'm sure everyone's 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.160 been crying in that house, but why is Tally getting 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:43.080 the montage? Like? 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.840 You know, yeah, that's that's been exhausting. I've had a 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.840 lot of followers message me and say, why in a 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:51.920 room of crying people just the camera just zooming on 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.600 your face. I guess they're giving the people what they want. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.200 You know, they know it's what I'm known for, and 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.280 they're giving the people what they think they want to 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.560 see me me emotional. But yeah, it has definitely been 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.360 frustrating when I'll literally be, you know, sitting on the 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.640 eviction chairs and I've got people crying either side of me, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.880 but the camera is just doing a really close seman 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.280 on my crying face. And it's not a pretty crying 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.679 face either. It's up there with Kimmy k like, it's not. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.600 It's an ugly cry face. So to have that immortalized 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.439 once again, yeah, it's been tough. But I am who 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.520 I am, and I'm not gonna apologize for being emotional, 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.160 not anymore. I used to, and I did last time, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:29.559 but not anymore. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.240 I like that I can see where the crying is 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:36.079 coming from, like a mile away. Though. It's like Samantha 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.920 from Bewitched. You can see sort of your nose twitches. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.319 Because I'm I'm trying to keep it together. Like when 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.480 I feel myself good emotional, I try to like do 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.120 all the things, you know, look up to the sky 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.920 and like you know, wave away tears. I'm trying to 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.960 keep it together because I I'm trying to, yeah, hold 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.080 my emotions in a little bit more. But yeah, the 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.839 floodgates open and they just they open, and I am 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:58.400 who I am? 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.679 Were you sort of touched on this a little bit? 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.160 But Tim really was your naughty brother stirring you up. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.640 And I think there was some fair things that he 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.080 did and there was some unfair things that he did. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.640 I do have a different perspective of Tim watching him 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.600 this time around. I do think that he really rattles 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.720 people's cage to try and bring things out of people, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.600 and whether or not they want it brought out of 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.960 them or not, he manages to get a reaction. Was 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.640 Tim different in your mind this time around compared to 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.320 what he was in twenty thirteen. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:33.560 Yes, and no, he's definitely you know, since twenty thirteen, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.200 he's kind of found his spiritual side, right, Like he 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.080 meditates now, he takes time to himself. He centers himself, 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.960 you know, his zend a little bit in that regard. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.560 But that's the Tim that I know on the outside. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.960 He has a game mode. You know, some people do, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.800 some people don't. And he goes into gay mode. And 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.920 that's the Tim that I struggle to reconcile because the 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.920 Tim that I know on the outside is not gay 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.560 mode Tim. And so sometimes when you're living with him 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.400 and he's both one and the same, I get confused. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:03.720 I'm like, wait, who am I dealing with right now? 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:05.640 Am I talking to my friend Tim? And we're talking 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.520 to gay mode Tim? But no, he you know we 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.080 came in there, he said himself. You know his package. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.960 He's like, I've grown up a lot, I've calmed down. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.120 We're all the same at the end of the day. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.040 Like we grow, we evolve. But a leopard doesn't change 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.480 its spots, does it. So nothing surprised me with Tim. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.000 You see that in that footage, you know, we're having 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:29.720 that sweet moment. I thought in the bathroom early days, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.760 and he's saying, you know, Tully, I can be your person, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.080 Like I'll be your person. Let's work together, and I'm 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.400 going you can see my face. I'm like, come on, 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:39.920 I'm like, I'm not buying this. For a secon He's like, no, 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.800 what do you mean, Like, let's work together? And I'm like, Tim, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.600 I just and I run strat to the diar room 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.400 and I'm like, I I'm not buying that, Like I'm 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.680 smart about this is not my first radio and then 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.120 mere minutes later he's coming for me. So nothing surprised 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.400 me with Tim. I you kind of just got to 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.040 take him as he is, right. You gotta have fun 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.560 with him, love him, have a good time with him, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.480 don't how many of the deepest, darker secrets, and maybe 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.360 don't trust him all the time. But as long as 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.480 you're okay with that, he's a great mate and he's 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.680 a very fun person to play with. But no, he 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:12.680 didn't surprise me. He's definitely chilled a little bit. There's 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.720 no way in twenty thirteen he would have taken the 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.920 time to like go and sit in the treehouse and meditate, 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.360 So that part of him has definitely changed. But he's 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.320 still the same LOLd to him, for better and for worse. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.520 I've really enjoyed your friendship with Estelle. We spoke about 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.160 this on the podcast last time, that that was a 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.160 bit of a surprise to you that you had this 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.840 connection with her. But there really has been a lot 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.600 of talk about a sisterhood or a female bond of 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.040 the girls on the show. Is that exactly how it 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:40.840 played out while it was happening, or is that just 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.280 a reflection now that you've come to it. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.160 No, Gabby Stella and I tried to have an all 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.000 girl alliance. We really wanted a girl to win. It 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.120 wasn't so much like a girls versus boys. It was 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.600 more like a side, little support group where we would 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.440 get together and be like, how do we keep this 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.280 house female strong, how do we support each other? How 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.200 do we we really wanted to take off. Alicia would 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.280 come in occasionally and have a little chat with us, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:06.960 and then tap back out and go to Joel. And 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.960 Sam would come in occasionally and be like yeah, girl power, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.240 but then run away back to Drew. So for a 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.159 long time it was Gabby Stella and I with this 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.800 sort of girl power alliance idea and then Jewels came 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:19.040 in obviously, and she was all about girl power. She 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.360 was a great addition, but it never really took off. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.240 It was kind of hard because the guys, you know, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.320 would at one point, I mean, I think it was 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.000 last week, it was like seven of us, only seven 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.080 of us were available to be put up and Drew 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:31.679 was the only guy. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:32.480 The rest were girls. 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.440