WEBVTT - ASK UNCUT - Dirty talk, where is the line?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 1>on Cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Laura and I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Brittany, and this is our Thursday episode. It is our

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<v Speaker 1>down and dirty little episode where we answer all of

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<v Speaker 1>your deep, duck and burning questions. How's your week been, Laura, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've seen you every single day I

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<v Speaker 1>go back from holidays. I was asking you, not for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the people. It was a rhetorical question. My

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<v Speaker 1>week has been gastro free. Finally everybody is recovered. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you might have given it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know when you get nausey, you get that

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<v Speaker 2>nauseous feeling, and always I feel like in every woman

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, okay, this could be one of two things.

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<v Speaker 2>I've either eaten something really bad slash gastro or I

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<v Speaker 2>am pregnous.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pregnant, so do you know because I'm soldly fertile,

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<v Speaker 1>I just have like a twenty four pack of them

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like I've called them on Bolk twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>baron condoms, which is like probably what you should start

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<v Speaker 2>buying instead of the pregnancy test. Laura, maybe you can take.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of my expired on well before we get into

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<v Speaker 1>answering all of your questions, and we have like a

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<v Speaker 1>good variety today. I'm loving today's questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Bridge. Let's just chat for a moment about the old

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<v Speaker 2>bong photo. Oh, Grace Tame twenty twenty one Australian of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year. The poor thing. She cannot be out of

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<v Speaker 2>the media for a hot second. I swear to god,

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<v Speaker 2>she farts and she's in the media.

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<v Speaker 1>But also like not that everyone has a bong photo,

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<v Speaker 1>because most people don't take photos with them, but everybody

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<v Speaker 1>has tried something when they were twenty this photo.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to set up what the bong photo is.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, okay, if you haven't seen the news in

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty four hours. Basically, there is a photo

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<v Speaker 1>that has come out yesterday of Grace Tame. It's back

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty fourteen, so she was only twenty years old

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<v Speaker 1>at the time when the photo was taken. And she's

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a couch with a great big bong and

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<v Speaker 1>she's not smoking it at the time. She's just sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>She looks like she may have had a puff. She's

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<v Speaker 1>looking pretty happy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just sitting there in the photo like next to

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<v Speaker 2>the bong.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a photo, mind you, This was in

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<v Speaker 1>plain daylight. This was in plain sight. It wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>photo that was deep in the archives of the interwebs like.

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<v Speaker 2>This was just on her Instagram. It wasn't on like

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of a friend of a friend's page. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like yeah, no one had to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the deep webs to stalk it.

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<v Speaker 1>She just had it on her Instagram because she clearly

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't embarrassed by it. It wasn't something that she probably had

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<v Speaker 1>even thought about, nor did she think that anyone was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go back seven years ago and try and

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<v Speaker 1>drag up these photos. But look, there's been some real

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<v Speaker 1>mixed feelings around this photo. Obviously, people who sit on

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<v Speaker 1>the more conservative side or who are not supporters of

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<v Speaker 1>Grace Tame have been, you know, very this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that we should take really seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a twenty year old smoking a bong.

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<v Speaker 1>But also everybody that's in support of her just sees

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<v Speaker 1>it for what it is and it's such an unfair

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is such a huge example of

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<v Speaker 1>the media and of conservative media wanting to undermine a

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<v Speaker 1>woman for something that they've done seven years ago. That

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<v Speaker 1>has absolutely no impact on who they are as a

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<v Speaker 1>person now and what they stand for and the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>things that they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is crazy. It's crazy that someone someone out there

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<v Speaker 2>has taken the time to think, I want to bring

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<v Speaker 2>this girl down. I want to bring last year is

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<v Speaker 2>Australian of the Year down. So I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>troll back as far as I can go on the

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<v Speaker 2>interweb to find a photo of a nineteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>that is sitting in the same room as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>possibly smoked a bong and then say Australian of the

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<v Speaker 2>Year question mark. It's absolutely ridiculous that anybody can say

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<v Speaker 2>that somebody like this shouldn't be in any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>position of influence or power when you look at what

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<v Speaker 2>is happening in the world. This is literally someone that

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<v Speaker 2>wants to take down a young woman for speaking her

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<v Speaker 2>mind and I am actually disgusted by it.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why it's so disappointing is because it's the

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<v Speaker 1>trying to draw a correlation, right, It's trying to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>look at this photo that we found, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>person that you're all looking up to. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>person that we've put in a position of Australian of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not worthy of.

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<v Speaker 1>This, And it's like the undermining of what she's achieved

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to draw that correlation between something that she

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<v Speaker 1>did seven years ago versus where she is at now.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, I mean, we've seen it so much in

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<v Speaker 1>the media. Like throughout Grace Tame's tenure as Australian of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year, she has been abrasive in that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people who have hugely supported her, and then there are

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<v Speaker 1>also people who have been quite against her and the

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<v Speaker 1>way that she has gone about advocating for change.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can deny though.

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<v Speaker 1>That she is a fierce advocate for victims of sexual assault.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really really liked what Lisa Wilkinson said around

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<v Speaker 1>this because this whole question, this whole you know, resurfacing

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<v Speaker 1>of this image of her with bong from her twenties

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<v Speaker 1>really calls in to question media and the way that

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<v Speaker 1>media portrays women. Lisa Wilkinson said, this is designed to

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<v Speaker 1>say to any woman striving for change, if you step

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<v Speaker 1>out of line or if you question the status quo,

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<v Speaker 1>we are coming for you. I think the most interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing about this is we are seeing a really big shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I think We're seeing a really big shift in

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening. When the media are trying to bring

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<v Speaker 1>women down, there is a real pushback. Now there is

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<v Speaker 1>a kickback and men are jumping on board.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think this article from what I've seen,

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<v Speaker 2>what I've read, I don't think this article had as

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<v Speaker 2>much impact as they hoped it would. There's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in public office that have actually come

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<v Speaker 2>out in support of Grace Tame. One of them is

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<v Speaker 2>federal MP Dave Sharma. Dave Sharma tweeted and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there is a photo of me like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this stuff is remotely in the public interest.

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<v Speaker 2>That has had thousands of likes. People are coming out saying,

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<v Speaker 2>what the actual fuck, Like, what are you guys trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do here? What are you trying to do by

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<v Speaker 2>proving that when Grace Han was nineteen years old, she

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<v Speaker 2>sat in the room with a bomb. And also, let's

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<v Speaker 2>all remember in this conversation that like when Grace Han

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<v Speaker 2>was groomed for sexualists, when she was sexually assaulted by

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<v Speaker 2>the person who was supposed to be her teacher, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's supposed to be in a position of power, and

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<v Speaker 2>protection over her she was fifteen, like four years later,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a photo of her smoking a bong. Like, who

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<v Speaker 2>she's not even smoking, She's sitting totally, She's sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>whole it, which would like imply and that's what it

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to imply originally when the photo came out,

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<v Speaker 2>Grace Hame's instant reaction where she went back through her

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and she deleted the picture, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you would do that.

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<v Speaker 1>You would be like, oh, like, how are people going

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<v Speaker 1>to perceive me? Delete the evidence? And then the public

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding it has come forward and said, like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not okay. If the majority, like you said, the majority

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<v Speaker 1>kickback has been actually, who cares that there's a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of her holding a bong? It is irrelevant, completely irrelevant

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<v Speaker 1>to what she has achieved and what she's advocating for now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think with that support, she's turned around and

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<v Speaker 1>she's actually reposted the photo. So the photo that she

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<v Speaker 1>originally deleted, she's reposted it. She put it up on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter with the caption all right, I confess we were

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<v Speaker 1>doing a cover of April Son and Cuba on the

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<v Speaker 1>Obo as a fucking dig at Scott Morrison and his

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<v Speaker 1>sixty minute interview.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so good, like such a good play from Grace Ham.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like a complete fuck you to everyone. But

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<v Speaker 2>while we're talking about some of the other responses there,

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<v Speaker 2>people in the Public Office came out with Deputy Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of Port Phillip Tim Baxter. He tweeted, oh no, Grace

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<v Speaker 2>Tame once smoked a bong. I'm the Deputy Mayor and

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<v Speaker 2>I smoked bongs as a teenager and I have still

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<v Speaker 2>never been as cool as Grace Tame. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>I just love these people. Malcolm Turnbull's son came out,

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Turnbull. He came out in forced as well, saying

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<v Speaker 2>going after Grace Tame for drug use is extremely risky

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<v Speaker 2>for any L ANDP member under forty, especially some people

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<v Speaker 2>in the House and Senate. I'm just gonna leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that. Don't start stuff you can't finish. So this

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<v Speaker 2>has completely backfired on them and I'm just here to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it go down anyway. I love watching this go down.

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<v Speaker 2>I love I love watching Grace Tame's response. I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>here for it. And there's a reason that Australia is falling.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with her, and that is it totally because she

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<v Speaker 1>also just doesn't play by the rules.

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<v Speaker 2>She smokes bongs.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get in to the questions for today.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently discovered that one of my best friends and

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<v Speaker 1>I had the same name picked out for our baby girl.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in our thirties and neither of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Are pregnant yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But what happens when the time comes. Is it a

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<v Speaker 1>first in best dress scenario? Or would it be weird

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<v Speaker 1>if we both name our daughter the same name. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hurt her feelings down the track, just

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<v Speaker 1>in case, and I also don't know if I should

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<v Speaker 1>bring the conversation back up. She's a really nice person

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<v Speaker 1>and she's also a people pleaser, so I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>she would probably just give me the name. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>do understand that there is a chance that maybe neither

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<v Speaker 1>of us will end up having a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you suggest I play this one out? Loll personally,

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<v Speaker 2>this is funny on so many levels because neither of

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<v Speaker 2>you're pregnant. I don't even know if you're in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>None of you are pregnant. I think it's normal to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about baby names and things like that, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely a case of first in best dress that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't because one of you you can't say bags, shotgun,

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<v Speaker 2>shotgun Mary, and then never have a baby girl. And

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<v Speaker 2>then what if your friend goes and has babies and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, I don't I won't call my kid

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<v Speaker 2>my dream name in case one day you do and

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<v Speaker 2>then you never do. I also think it's funny that

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, we probably won't even have a girl. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that you might have a girl. One of

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<v Speaker 2>you's going to have a girl. You might have twenty girls.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that would be a lot of girls. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, I want a hope for you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have twenty girls. But no, this is just a case

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<v Speaker 2>of like, if you love a name and you're pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>before your friend and you have a baby girl and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call it that name, you call it

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<v Speaker 2>that name. If she then has a baby later and

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<v Speaker 2>she really wants to call that name, she can also

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<v Speaker 2>call it that name. And I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 2>get mad at her. And I know that is a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of like a fine line. I know there's a

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<v Speaker 2>like you can't call your kid what okay this kid?

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<v Speaker 2>Would it be weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Now if you were like, Hey, I'm going to call

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<v Speaker 1>my first kid Mali.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is weird. That is very weird. But also

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, if I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>my grandma's name and it's a dream name and I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to call it that, You're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to suck it up. Not ideal at all, but also

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things is like, you know, sometimes life's

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<v Speaker 2>not ideal and you have to deal with it. I

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<v Speaker 2>would try to avoid calling my child a name that

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<v Speaker 2>any of my good friends would use, like that is

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<v Speaker 2>not something I want to do. Unless it was a

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<v Speaker 2>very very meaningful name in my family and a family

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<v Speaker 2>name I wanted to pass on, I would avoid it.

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<v Speaker 2>But for this case, girl first in best dressed, go

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<v Speaker 2>get pregnant one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I am like, I've had these conversations with my friends,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've always sort of had the stance of like,

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<v Speaker 1>it is one hundred percent first in best dress, but

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<v Speaker 1>also on that I think if you've had the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with your friend early, especially when you guys are not pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've talked about names that you like and you're

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<v Speaker 1>both aware that you like the same name, if you

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<v Speaker 1>choose to both call the kid the same name. No

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<v Speaker 1>one can be angry, do you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you've already had the conversation. Even if she does it

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<v Speaker 1>first or you do it first, if the other person

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<v Speaker 1>still chooses to call their kid that name, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be annoyed by it. I actually had this situation happened

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<v Speaker 1>to a friend of mine, except that at the time

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<v Speaker 1>when they were discussing names that they liked, her friend

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, so she was like, Oh, what girl's names

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<v Speaker 1>do you like? And my friend was like, I really

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<v Speaker 1>like the name Sophie, Like Sophie is a name that

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<v Speaker 1>I love. And at the time her friend was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>her friend hadn't really considered the name Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she took it, and then she took it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a no go.

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<v Speaker 1>But my friend wasn't pregnant, she hasn't had a baby

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<v Speaker 1>girl yet, and her friend now has a two year

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<v Speaker 1>old name Sophie totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing, like, maybe you're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say friends with that person for the rest of your life,

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<v Speaker 2>so maybe in five years time you don't even know them,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's okay to have Sophie totally, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>land a little bit different with me if you and I, Laura,

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<v Speaker 2>let's use us. If you and I had a conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>right and I was like, I love the name Isabelle,

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh my god, that's on my list as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's different first invest dress. But if I said to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the name Isabelle, you weren't pregnant, then you

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<v Speaker 2>went and got pre and you're like, oh, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>thought of that, and then you were like, hey, just

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I'm going to use Isabelle, I'd be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Like okay, cool, Like it's still okay, But it would

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<v Speaker 2>hit differently for me knowing that you literally just stole

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<v Speaker 2>my name. Yeah, but I still think it's a first

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<v Speaker 2>in best dress situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you may never have a kid, right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>also think in that like, it still lands different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still like, yeah, received my name, bitch, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that we become weirdly territorial about names.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know where that's come from. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the societal implication of that is. Why we're

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<v Speaker 2>so adverse to anybody else having the same name. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he saw this. But this is something

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<v Speaker 2>that's making me think of it. It's just happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the last few days. So Kylie Jenner just had a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>a baby boy, and she called him Wolf. Tammy Hembro,

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<v Speaker 2>who is an Australian influencer, she's like the fitness influencer.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe once or twice she has met the

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<v Speaker 2>Kardashians because she did a job for Good American with

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<v Speaker 2>Chloe kardash.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure Tammy Hembrow actually passed out face down

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<v Speaker 1>at a Kardashian party.

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<v Speaker 2>Daddy taken out on a stretcher, that is said Tammy Hembro. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there we go. So she's Tammy has a son that

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<v Speaker 2>is maybe he's five or six, Like he's not young young,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a bit older. But regardless, his name is Wolf,

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<v Speaker 2>but she calls him wolfre And so apparently, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is all this is all allegedly, but apparently Tammy's had

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a dig about Kylie thieving her name.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just thought, you're in a different country and

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<v Speaker 2>you've met the girl twice, and there's years and years apart.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't reckon she's gonna be like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she was inspired, like like, oh, I'm gonna name my

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<v Speaker 1>kid after the girl who passed out at my party

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<v Speaker 1>and got taken.

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<v Speaker 2>A husband or only her kid's name.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, guys like I generinely think to wrap this

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<v Speaker 1>one up, I think that maybe we can have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit too much protection over names that we choose,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we haven't like, especially if you haven't got

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<v Speaker 1>kids yet or whatever, Like, you can feel a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of sense of ownership.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not really entire, that you're not really entitled to.

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<v Speaker 2>Secondly to that, though, the only time when it's an

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<v Speaker 2>exception is if it's a name that actually has like family,

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<v Speaker 2>real sentimental meaning to you. If it's a name that,

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<v Speaker 2>like for you, means something to your family, it's part

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<v Speaker 2>of your heritage, it's you have a really strong tie

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<v Speaker 2>to it, then I understand why you would be more upset.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it's just a name that you like, suck

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Suck it up. It's first in best dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, question number two, al rightie, question number two. I

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<v Speaker 1>really like this one. I met a guy at a

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<v Speaker 1>party and I went back to his when we were

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<v Speaker 1>in his bed. We were pretty hot and heavy kissing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were about to progress things. I was teasing

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and I was delaying things, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just normal shit. I was trying to like build the

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<v Speaker 1>suspense before I serviced him. When he said, just put

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<v Speaker 1>it in your mouth, you fucking bitch, I was immediately

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<v Speaker 1>taken back. I didn't know this bloke from a bar

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<v Speaker 1>of soap. I was extremely offended because I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he had crossed a line and it was an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>misogynistic and demeaning thing to say. I literally got up,

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<v Speaker 1>put my clothes on, and left the bloke with his

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<v Speaker 1>dick in the wind. He switched straight away into apology mode,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had already gotten the ick, as I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like his tone had deeply misogynistic values.

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<v Speaker 2>There. My question is what are your thoughts on dirty talk?

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<v Speaker 2>When is an appropriate time to begin down that path?

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<v Speaker 2>And if someone crosses your boundary in a one night stand,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there are a lot of questions in that. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just start with when it's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think for this situation, I completely get where

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<v Speaker 2>you were coming from. I get why you're offended, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get why you were like you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. This isn't appropriate because it doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>like it was a appropriate. It sounds like it came

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles an hour when there was nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>was going on to let him know that you were

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<v Speaker 2>okay with that. So I feel like that is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a time and a place that it wasn't acceptable. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people out there that love dirty talk.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of people in that situation that

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<v Speaker 2>would have rolled with it and would have been okay

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And that's completely okay because it's up to

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<v Speaker 2>personal preference. But I think there needs to be a

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<v Speaker 2>level of ease into it. There has to be a

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<v Speaker 2>really slow build up, and you know, there is also

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<v Speaker 2>a level of consent. There is a level of well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if you have to

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<v Speaker 2>sit there and actually say can I dirty talk to you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something that starts with like do you

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<v Speaker 2>like this or toe there's got to be like a

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<v Speaker 2>real ease into that. So absolutely, there is nothing you

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<v Speaker 2>have done wrong from feeling uncomfortable and get up and leaving. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>do not feel like that. It's just this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very very personal thing that with some girls that would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I'd fucking jump on that. I would love that,

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<v Speaker 2>And there are other girls that are like, that's not cool,

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely personal. I think you've done the right thing

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<v Speaker 2>for the situation. And I also, I mean, I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would find it so dim meaning if it's someone

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have an emotional connection with it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't know where your boundaries lie. It is

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly assuming of them to think that you would be

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<v Speaker 1>okay with that level of dirty talk. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>also like, yeah, sure, there are definitely some people out

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<v Speaker 1>there who are okay with it, but someone calling you

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch and saying just put it in your mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>like fuck, that is so steeped in misogyny and steeved

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<v Speaker 1>in the thought that like every girl would be okay

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I think that there are very few girls

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<v Speaker 1>who straight off the bat wouldn't feel a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of like, oh, that sits uncomfortably with me, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel respected in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Moment for me, that chat, I don't. I don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>that chat. If it came down the track with someone

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<v Speaker 2>I've been dating for a long time and that I

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<v Speaker 2>was comfortable with that knew my boundaries that I loved.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would not be down for that with someone

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<v Speaker 2>I just meant totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the difference, Like, yeah, sure, you

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<v Speaker 1>might be okay with that from someone who you know

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<v Speaker 1>cares about you and has your best interests at heart

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't actually think the things that they're saying exactly exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the difference. That's where the line with dirty

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<v Speaker 1>talk is blurred. Like if you think he actually thinks

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<v Speaker 1>you're a bitch, if he actually has that little respect

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<v Speaker 1>for you, dirty talk's not fun anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just degrading.

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<v Speaker 1>But when dirty talk is sexy, it's when like you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of playing in that it's a bit naughty, but

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<v Speaker 1>you also had that respect for each other. You're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing it to demean or degrade who that person is. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely have gotten up and walked out in

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<v Speaker 1>that situation as well. How do you do that? How

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<v Speaker 1>do you get up and leave? Is the next question

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<v Speaker 1>of this. I understand that for some people, once you're

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<v Speaker 1>at that point in sex, it can feel like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big statement. It's intimidating to be like, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not vibing this I'm gonna I'm gonna go. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there are girls and probably guys who

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<v Speaker 1>have been in situations where the sex is already too

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<v Speaker 1>far gone that they don't feel comfortable in saying no,

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<v Speaker 1>so they just do it anyway, even though they're not

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Which we are not encouraging off no.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I'm going to say is I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>if you get anything out of every podcast episode that

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<v Speaker 1>you ever listen to, it's this. There is never a

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<v Speaker 1>time during sex where it has gone too far where

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just get up, get off, and get the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck out of there. Consent a continual thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>can give to someone, and if you were fully into

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<v Speaker 1>it and vibing it and it was great and then

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<v Speaker 1>something changes in you for whatever reason, you can always

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<v Speaker 1>get up and leave. I don't ever want someone to

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<v Speaker 1>think like, oh, I was just gonna do it, Just

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<v Speaker 1>get it over with, Just get it over with, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here now, you know, because like you don't owe

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like and let's just like have a look

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<v Speaker 2>at the other side for a second. I do like

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<v Speaker 2>and appreciate that it sounds like when this guy realized

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<v Speaker 2>he'd stepped over the mark that he did apologize and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I am sorry, But the thing is, in that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll never get back to that I want to have

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<v Speaker 2>sex with you moment when you have been turned off

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<v Speaker 2>so much like that, and you will never look at

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<v Speaker 2>him the same, So like he was never recovering from that.

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't know, we're not in the situation, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, like, at least he turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and said, wholl, I'm sorry. I definitely overstepped the mark.

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<v Speaker 2>That was too much. We don't know what his intentions

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<v Speaker 2>were behind the apology, but I'm just trying to look

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<v Speaker 2>at this from all sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think dirty talk is one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a very big spectrum around what isn't

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<v Speaker 1>isn't acceptable, But I do genuinely think that there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be some warming up to it. You can't just

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<v Speaker 1>expect when it comes to anything in a sexual relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that the other person is just totally fine with it,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it's a new sexual partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Question. And number three, I've been sleeping with my neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>who's four years older than me for about three months now.

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<v Speaker 2>He has just said that he wants to go into

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<v Speaker 2>the dating world again, but continue to sleep with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course he has. I don't have any feeling for him,

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<v Speaker 2>but the sexual chemistry is there. If I make the

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<v Speaker 2>bold move by asking him on a date, is this

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<v Speaker 2>going to ruin the friends with benefits situation? Or should

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<v Speaker 2>I just stay quiet and let him go and do

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<v Speaker 2>his thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, like, okay, part of me is like,

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<v Speaker 1>why do you want to ask him on a date

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<v Speaker 1>if it's just sexual connection and you don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>feelings for him? After hooking up with him for four months,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you would kind of know whether there

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<v Speaker 1>was something more there?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a reason? She actually says, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any feelings for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that you need to go on a

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<v Speaker 1>date with him. I feel like the only reason why

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<v Speaker 1>you're wanting to go on a date with him is

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<v Speaker 1>because there may be some ego or territory that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like crept up on you, you know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's never nice when someone who is a friends with

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<v Speaker 1>benefits person when they say, oh, you know, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go on a date with this other person

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<v Speaker 1>because you feel like, well, why aren't I good enough?

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<v Speaker 2>To date.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think sometimes you have to step back and

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<v Speaker 1>look at it and you're like, do I even actually

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<v Speaker 1>want to date this person? Is this somebody who I

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<v Speaker 1>could see myself in a relationship with, or do we

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<v Speaker 1>just have great sexual chemistry and it is absolutely okay

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<v Speaker 1>to have awesome chemistry with someone and not see anything

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<v Speaker 1>more beyond that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is what I find interesting about this, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think you do need to take a step back.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm wondering if maybe you thought you didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>feelings for him, but you do, which is very very understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been sleeping with him for three months and it's

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<v Speaker 2>really really good. Maybe you have put yourself in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where you're like, oh, he's just a guy I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping with, Like I don't like him. He's then told

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<v Speaker 2>you that I'm going to go and meet someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and something inside of you is Gone'll hang on a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to ask you out. Maybe you need to

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<v Speaker 2>think about have feelings actually developed there? Maybe you want

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<v Speaker 2>to go on this date to trial it. Maybe you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't actually ever dated, we've just started hooking up.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is. Maybe he thinks you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want anymore. Maybe you think he doesn't want anymore. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fact that you have a conversation. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think if there is something plain in your mind, that

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<v Speaker 2>you should speak up about it. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you have to say do you want to go on

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<v Speaker 2>an official date with me? But maybe you say it

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<v Speaker 2>without saying it. Maybe next time you're gonna hook up,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, hey, do you want to go for dinner first?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you want to grab a drink first? I'll

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<v Speaker 2>change the scene a little bit because maybe you guys

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<v Speaker 2>aren't looking at each other in that light, because you're

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<v Speaker 2>never in that light. Maybe you late night, go over

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<v Speaker 2>to each other's house, you have sex, you leave, you

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<v Speaker 2>might not even stay. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess the only thing with this though, is like,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you might feel a little bit of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>a pain or like a bit bit of jealousy or something,

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<v Speaker 1>when he says he's gonna start dating, does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you should date him? Probably not, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's normal to feel something also, sometimes like we can

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<v Speaker 1>confuse our ego and being in competition for someone and

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<v Speaker 1>like feel like, well, why don't they like me?

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<v Speaker 2>Without actually sitting down unpacking. Is this someone who I

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<v Speaker 2>want to date? Is this someone who I would want

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<v Speaker 2>to be my boyfriend? Or do I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>be wanted totally? And the reason I say this is

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<v Speaker 2>I had some friends that were exactly this situation. They

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<v Speaker 2>were friends with benefits because they met, they lived in

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<v Speaker 2>the same apartment building, so they was just such an

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<v Speaker 2>easy hook up all the time they were young. He

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<v Speaker 2>exactly this. He was like, Okay, I'm going to date

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<v Speaker 2>other people. I'm going to see other people, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, WHOA hold on a minute. Anyway, fast forward

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<v Speaker 2>probably seven years. They've just had a baby, because they

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<v Speaker 2>realized that when they thought there was something that they weren't,

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.360
<v Speaker 2>there were more feelings there than they thought. When they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to pull away and do their own thing, they

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<v Speaker 2>realized that, well, like, I actually don't really want to

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<v Speaker 2>be theyone else and I'm looking at you in a

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<v Speaker 2>different way. And yeah, they went and got married and

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<v Speaker 2>had a baby, and I think that that is just

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<v Speaker 2>something that you need to figure out on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just suggest you try and see him in

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<v Speaker 2>a different light, like a different sceni physically, like put

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in an environment is different, take it away from

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<v Speaker 2>because if you just want sex with someone, then yeah,

0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't need to go out to dinner. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to hang out in the day and go and

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<v Speaker 2>do fun things. You have sex. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>see someone else or try something different, then you physically

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<v Speaker 2>have to remove yourself from the environment and do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you go surfing together, maybe you do a

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<v Speaker 2>day thing that has no sex. Maybe hang out just

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<v Speaker 2>one time and don't have sex, go to dinner. So

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<v Speaker 2>if I were you in this situation, just to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out, I would ask to have dinner or a

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<v Speaker 2>drink or something. Sure, you can go and have sex

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<v Speaker 2>after if you want, but just like actually talk to

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<v Speaker 2>each other and hang out and figure out if there

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<v Speaker 2>are feelings there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the last thing I want to say on this

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<v Speaker 1>whole conversation is I mean, I love that he's been

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<v Speaker 1>honest about it. I love that he's told you that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to go date and that he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we can keep sleeping together, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to go and keep my options open. I love that

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<v Speaker 1>there was some honesty around that and he just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. But maybe sit with it and see how

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<v Speaker 1>you actually feel about it. Because like sometimes the friends

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<v Speaker 1>with benefits think can make you feel a bit crazy

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<v Speaker 1>when actually they go out and they say dating other people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, also the whole like being safe finding out,

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<v Speaker 1>like what are the rules around who you can and

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<v Speaker 1>can't have sex with? Do you tell each other? Like

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<v Speaker 1>what does that look like? And how does that play out?

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<v Speaker 2>So that you know that you're going to be comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>each step of the way and not go absolutely fucking

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<v Speaker 2>crazy from this situation. Also, it's totally okay for you

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<v Speaker 2>and not want of friends with benefits anymore knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>he's with other people, Like if every situation changes and evolves,

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<v Speaker 2>and your feelings towards that change and evolved too, So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not happy knowing that he's going and hooking

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<v Speaker 2>up with someone else, pulled the pin because essentially he

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>wants his gay can eat it too. He's like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you know, like I want to properly date

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<v Speaker 2>people and look at it, but I want to fuck

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<v Speaker 2>you until I find that.

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<v Speaker 1>So like that's what okay for a girlfriend, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be it. It's what he's saying right now.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into the very last question. I

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<v Speaker 1>also freaking love this question. I think that this one

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll we I feel like this one's going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up a few feelings in a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be people that will agree and disagree. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>put up a bikini mirror selfie. I've been working really

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<v Speaker 1>hard on my fitness and I'm super proud of my

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel really great about my body at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, fuck it, I'm allowed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be happy with my body. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>My boyfriend wasn't so happy and said he didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>that I posted the photo and none of his friends

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.959
<v Speaker 1>girlfriends would post something like that, Should I feel guilty

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<v Speaker 1>about doing this? Did I do anything wrong? Like? I

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<v Speaker 1>was so proud of myself and the way my body looked,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>Crap, No, you did not do anything wrong. That is

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<v Speaker 2>what my very first initial top surface thought is. Absolutely,

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>it is your body, You've worked hard, it is your Instagram,

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.439
<v Speaker 2>it's your page. You haven't done anything wrong by doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to put up a fire little selfie,

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<v Speaker 1>you go for a girlfriend who doesn't love a fie selfie.

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<v Speaker 2>I also love watching other women support their friends and

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff when they do that they're like fire. I always

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.080
<v Speaker 2>write like fire flames to like my friends sit do

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it because I think good on you, Like we're young,

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 2>we're proud, we're fit, we're healthy. You. At the end

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>of the day, you did it for you, That's what

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 2>it was for. And you have said that, You've said

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<v Speaker 2>I was proud of my bad You didn't do it

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<v Speaker 2>because you're trying to find someone else to hook up with.

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 2>That's not what it's about. So no, you haven't done

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong. Now, there is a part of this that

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.639
<v Speaker 2>we do need to try to talk about, and it

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>is a difficult thing to navigate, but there does have

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a level of conversation and respect with your partner.

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>If they say something, not just this, but anything in

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship. If they say something's making them feel really

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable or they're not happy with it, you definitely need

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>to hear your partner out and talk about it and

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 2>find a way around it. So I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>need to have a conversation with your partner, explain why

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you did it and what it meant, and then ask

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 2>him why he isn't happy with it, and maybe you

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>guys can come to an agreement. But there definitely has

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>to be these conversations, Like, if he has expressed some

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>level of discomfort, you have to give him two seconds

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>to listen and talk about it. This is what I think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess like with this, obviously, nobody has a

0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 2>right to tell you what you can and can't do,

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Like we know that we have autonomy over our own body.

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 2>But also when you're in a relationship and there's mutual

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>respect for each other, you do listen to where each

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>other's hurt has come from. Obviously, one we don't know

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>what the selfie was, Like. Is it a selfie where

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.919
<v Speaker 2>you just look hot and you're standing in a bikini

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 2>in a mirror? Is it a hyper sexualized photo? Have

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>you linked your only fans? Yeah?

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Like, is it a super super sexy photo that maybe

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>gives off the impression that you're single or that you're

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>seeking validation from elsewhere. This is not so much about

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you or even really about what the photo is, to

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>be honest, it's more about his level of insecurity or security,

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and there's something about that picture that's made him feel insecure.

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>He is you look so hot?

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 1>He's probably damn, everyone's gonna everyone's gonna have hot shit totally,

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and he probably is like, well, why is she seeking

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>validation from other people?

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 2>For example, if you have your profile on public and

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>you're posting a photo that's, you know, really beautiful photo

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 2>of yourself where it's like quite sexualized, he's probably thinking,

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 2>why does she need validation around her body from people

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>who she doesn't know and who aren't me, And like

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that's his own insecurities creeping through. And maybe there is

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 2>more to it than like the seeking of validation. You

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 2>know you've done it for yourself.

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>But I do think that there is some part of

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>this where I don't just want to shit on him

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>for feeling the way he's felt, because I think, for example, Brett,

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<v Speaker 1>like if Jordan posted a photo of human his underwear

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>with a raging boner, would you be a bit like.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Why are we doing? Like why did you post that?

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, damn you little hot? But that's different

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 2>because that is so sexualized. Like if he posted a

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>photo if you had to post it, a topless photo

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 2>with his okay, yeah, but I would have been like

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>that's hot.

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<v Speaker 1>What if it was a selfie from like above? He

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<v Speaker 1>was like oiled up to the max, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>like fate tanned oiled up, so all of his abs

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<v Speaker 1>were like rippled, like a real tinder photo, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when guys are just so it's such an obviously

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<v Speaker 1>single photo and you're doing it as a thirst trap.

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<v Speaker 2>Would there be a little bit of you?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is especially because he's never done it before, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's very different behavior. So let's say you've been a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship for six years, your partner's never ever posted a

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<v Speaker 1>photo like that, and all of a sudden they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Would there be a little bit of you that's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you feel the need to Definitely if it's

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<v Speaker 1>out of.

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<v Speaker 2>The blue, for sure, But I also don't like those

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<v Speaker 2>photos anyway. So if I met Jordan and I went

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<v Speaker 2>on like a meme on line and I went and

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<v Speaker 2>looked at his profile, if his profile was full of

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<v Speaker 2>those photos, I probably wouldn't have dated him. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know that is super really superficial, but that's the truth

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I don't like that, but I would have. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be happy if out of the blue he

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<v Speaker 2>started posting really sexualized photos. But if you just post

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<v Speaker 2>hot topless photos at the beach when he looks ripped,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have been like, dangn you look hot. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's absolutely fine, especially when you're in a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>where you trust each other. But that's again, this is

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<v Speaker 2>personal opinion. There are a lot of people out there

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't happy with seeing their partners do that. It

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<v Speaker 2>just has to come down to a conversation. You just

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<v Speaker 2>have to say why it's important to you and why

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually okay, it's you, your body and you've worked

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<v Speaker 2>really hard for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I think like the big part of this

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<v Speaker 1>is like without seeing without the photo evidence, without knowing

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what that photo entails like, there can be the

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<v Speaker 1>assumptions that it's sexual or sexualized, but in reality, it

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<v Speaker 1>could just very well be like, you know, you standing

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<v Speaker 1>in a bikini in front of the mirror. What I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like about this is I don't like the comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to other girlfriends. I don't like him saying, oh, my

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<v Speaker 1>friends other girlfriends wouldn't do that, that's why you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Not dating them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that that's a really unfair way

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<v Speaker 1>of framing it, because all that's doing is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make you feel guilty and shameful, and that's not a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy or constructive place to come from with this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>like you shouldn't feel shameful, but you do have to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to his reasons as to why and come to

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<v Speaker 1>a place where you both mutually agree. But him shaming

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<v Speaker 1>you around this and making you feel like crap, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not constructive and it's not helping the situation at all either.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just think to end this, you both really

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<v Speaker 2>need to not be coming at each other. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are in this situation, it's not about he said,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, you did this, I did this, You're wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong. This is what I think, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>you think. It's not about that. It's just about a

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<v Speaker 2>really adult conversation about your feelings and what it does

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<v Speaker 2>to you. That's literally all you need to do. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to have a discussion, not a screaming match, not

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<v Speaker 2>get angry at each other, not about each other behind

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<v Speaker 2>each other's backs, to each other's friends. It's just an

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<v Speaker 2>adult conversation about feelings, about validation. I reckon, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent. But anyway, I'm glad you're hot, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you're wore friend, I'm glad you're happy, totally, And

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to take a fire selfie.

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<v Speaker 1>You are more than welcome to send it to him

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<v Speaker 1>maybe first, yes, send it.

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<v Speaker 2>In first and then maybe.

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