1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: How the fate will soon be known for twenty year 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: old Keith Kiranoa, who's on trial for murdering Darwin Bottle 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: shop worker Declan Lavity. Mister Kiranoa has pleaded not guilty 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: to the charge, and his lawyers have argued that he 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: acted in self defense when he stabbed mister Lavity multiple 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: times during an altercation in March last year. The jury 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: retired yesterday to consider its verdict after Supreme Court Justice 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Graham Highly summarized the case. Joining us now is nine 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: News journalist Ebanie Raymond, who has been following the case. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Good morning Ebone, Good morning Katie. How are you going? 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: Not too bad? Ebonie. Take us through exactly what we'll 12 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: take us through parts of what Justice Highly's summary of 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the case was yesterday. 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Yes So, as we know that Johnes handed down his 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: final comments to the jury yesterday, he gave them his 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: final instructions and directions before they went off to deliberate 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: their verdict in this trial. So he unpacked key parts 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: of the evidence that the jury has heard. He explained 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: some key points that they should consider while they're deliberating 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 2: their verdict, and he also spoke about the main points 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: that were raised by both the prosecution and defense in 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: their closing statements earlier this week. 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: So are there tell us what those key points? Key 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: points were that he drew the jury's attention to. 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, one of the biggest points throughout this trial 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: had been the question of if Keith Karenu were acted 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: in self defense or not. The judge raised this in 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 2: his closings yesterday and told the jury they must decided 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: if Karenu's response in the situation was reasonable or not, 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: and if it was necessary in order to defend himself 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: or not. Something else that he also said that the 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: jury should consider, along with many other things. But he 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: said that the jury should also consider if karen was 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: intoxication on the evening may have impacted his actions. 35 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: And so what direction did he give the jury? 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: So he told the jury that they must put their 37 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: emotions and speculations aside while they're considering their verdict, along 38 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: with anything that's been maybe publicized or they've seen throughout 39 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: the trial, in order to make a decision that is 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: rational and to not let any of this cloud their 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: judgment when they're making their decision. 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: So Ebny, effectively, what are the questions that the jury 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: has to consider. 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: So basically, the jury will have to decide if the 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: evidence they've seen and heard throughout the course of this 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: trial proves beyond reasonable doubt if Keith Karenua is or 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: isn't guilty of murder. As you mentioned earlier, he has 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: pleaded not guilty to the charge. But now we wait 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: for the jury to decide the final outcome and verdict 50 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: for him. 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And do they have the option of considering a verdict 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: of manslaughter. 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: Yes, they do, so the jury has the option between 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: deciding on a verdict of Keith Karenua being guilty of 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: murder or the alternative verdict of manslaughter. This is all 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: the course, depending on what the jury de signs of 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: the evidence that they've seen and heard throughout the trial. 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: Now they retired as I understand it, just before was 59 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: just before midday yesterday. 60 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just after me bask at twelve twelve 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: thirteen to be exact. So it's creeping up towards that 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: twenty four hour mark now. 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: And so are we expecting a verdict today or it 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: really it's anybody's guess. 65 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: Well, I would say it's more anybody's guess. Katie's got 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 2: a little bit hard to stay as we're obviously now 67 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: in the hands of the jury, so we'll have to 68 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: wait and see with that one. But I'll keep you 69 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: updated of course as the day goes on. 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Nine News journalist Ebanie Raymond, thanks 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: so much for your help this morning and for talking 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: us through where things all right. We'll talk to you 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: again very soon anytime. Thank you, Katie, thank you, thanks 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: so much.