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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was, and joining us

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Speaker 1: from Alice Springs, I reckon it'd be a little bit

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Speaker 1: colder there at the moment. From the opposition, the Chancey

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Speaker 1: pay good morning to you, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: In a shout out to all the listeners.

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Speaker 1: I reckon it be what how low do you think

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Speaker 3: It's pretty chilly and we're rugged up, but we're enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I reckon you would be from the Northern Territory News.

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Speaker 1: I've got the head of News, Gary Shipway, Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 4: Morning, Caddy. And how good is it having a supercars

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Speaker 1: It's awesome? Yes, Happy Supercars Day. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a fantastic weekend.

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Speaker 4: Massive last night and the other end of the scale

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Speaker 4: next week. We got the World Archaeology Gary.

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Speaker 5: We surely do.

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Speaker 1: And from Catherine we have indeed got the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Education and various other portfolios. Joe Hersey, good morning.

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Speaker 5: Morning out to Catherine, morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: And Joe beautiful weather and Catherine two nineteen still right

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Speaker 6: The dry season has certainly kicked in in Catherine. I'm

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Speaker 6: looking forward to getting home in the next few days

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Speaker 6: and getting a bit more cooler weather.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got here in Darhwain.

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Speaker 2: Is that jumper weather record.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing my jumping just about here in Darwin where

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Speaker 1: it's over twenty.

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Speaker 5: The other morning. Well, look there.

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Speaker 1: Is a lot to cover off on this morning and

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Speaker 1: we might talk first about these changes when it comes

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Speaker 1: to a new police stream. So the Northern Territory Government

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Speaker 1: that the ppsos are aimed at reducing crime and restoring

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Speaker 1: the territory lifestyle. So essentially developing this new Public Safety

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Speaker 1: Officers stream to deploy frontline resources across key spaces, including

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Speaker 1: providing standardized training through the Northern Territory Police College. So

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Speaker 1: transit safety officers public housing safety as well. They're both

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Speaker 1: going to seize and those officers are going to perform

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Speaker 1: functions basically transitioning to ppsos with police training and powers

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Speaker 1: focused on addressing anti social behavior in public housing, on buses,

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Speaker 1: at shopping centers, bottle shops, events and other public places.

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Speaker 1: Now Joe, this announcement's been large largely sort of met

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Speaker 1: with a mixed reaction. I guess you'd have to say.

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Speaker 1: of course we had the CPSU, which actually represents those

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Speaker 1: that were concerned that they're now going to be becoming

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Speaker 1: pseudo police officers when that's not what they signed on for.

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Speaker 1: I mean, fundamentally, the announcement being made to try to

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is part of our major law and

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Speaker 6: Catherine have certainly welcomed this initiative. These are, as you said,

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Speaker 6: the transit officers, the housing public safety officers, and all

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Speaker 6: I think what this does, Katie, is it just means

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Speaker 6: You know, for example, in Catherine, we don't have palis

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Speaker 6: And I think it's a really positive step to help

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I mean I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: They've got the holes that up. This is in a

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Speaker 4: If there's a disturbance at a bus depot, the police

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Speaker 4: This is policing. That's what police do. I mean that

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Speaker 1: I guess the other element of it that the union

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Speaker 1: I mean, chancey, do you think it's going to make

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Speaker 3: Look, I think to be clear, the opposition has always

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Speaker 3: obviously we'd never had the position to them with guns.

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Speaker 2: I think let's be very clear.

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Speaker 3: To become a hard working Northern Territory Police officer, you

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Speaker 2: So is that still going to be the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I definitely get what you're saying, and I

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Speaker 1: I guess the other part of it, though, is it,

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Speaker 6: I think it's just bringing them all under the one banner, Katie,

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Speaker 5: To the Police College.

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Speaker 6: So as Gary said that they're not pseudo police officers,

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Speaker 6: you know, just like other police do. So I's going

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Speaker 6: enough police to be on the bottle shops at the moment, Katie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's be clear, there's no need for these officers,

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Speaker 1: You reckon, would you be more open to this if

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the former labor government had said that we would

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gary, what's been the feedback from your readers.

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Speaker 1: quite supportive of these officers, like sort of saying, well,

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Speaker 1: Well again, when we spoke to the Transport Workers Union yesterday,

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Speaker 1: And that's certainly some of the issues that they are

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Speaker 1: pretty woeful, but you know, pretty dangerous, I think is

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Speaker 1: you said, I think the devil is going to be

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Speaker 1: in the detail. We'll catch up with the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police and also the Police Association this morning after ten

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Speaker 2: Katie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, you just said that they're going to

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Speaker 3: just increase the police numbers because they're going to be

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Speaker 5: There is a difference that there is a different that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what we do need to see this is like,

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Speaker 4: That's right, So chance you're absolutely correcting those aspects you

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: So look, I guess the issue we have as well.

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Speaker 3: It's like the more police we have, the more police

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Speaker 2: People feel safer to report things.

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Speaker 3: But there has to come a point where we look

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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to talk about another This is still

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie that you know Obviously, we have come in

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Speaker 5: But I think it just goes to show.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's be clear, this is the matter

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Speaker 4: I think there's also the issue of a lot of

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Speaker 1: Team, absolutely a big role to play in this. And

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I know that when those bail laws were

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Speaker 5: Funeral, let out on bail and then absconded.

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Speaker 6: You know that what this shows is that, yeah, there

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Speaker 3: Cater, can you provide the data on that, because the

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Speaker 1: Sometimes actually meeting the pub tests some of those decisions.

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Speaker 3: The role of the judiciary is to interpret the legislation.

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Speaker 3: So this is back on the government around how they

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not interpreting it the way that the public

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Speaker 3: Look, the way that the legislation is drafted and is

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean there has been occasions just recently.

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Speaker 3: Again, Katie, they are provisions that exist in the legislation.

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Speaker 3: So if the government are not happy with those measures.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you had those levels correct when

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Speaker 3: We had a number of measures in the legislation and

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's fair to say, Katie that those

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Speaker 6: continue to do so. But it is that interpretation I

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Speaker 6: think since the last BAO reform that came in the

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Speaker 6: statistics and I'm not the Attorney General.

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Speaker 5: But she comes back, that's rather interesting.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure Chancey she will come back with those statistics

447
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Speaker 6: for you and I know Katie that it would certainly

448
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Speaker 6: be not that many people would have received bail I'll be.

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Speaker 1: Keen to get those numbers as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just the issue of the judiciary and having the

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Speaker 4: legislation in place and has a chance he touched on

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Speaker 4: that they're they're there for them to use and they're

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Speaker 4: also there for them to interpret. This is a problem

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Speaker 4: everywhere in Australia. They wrestle with the tools are given

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Speaker 4: to the judiciary. It's how each individually they choose to

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Speaker 4: interpret them. So we have this you know that that's

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Speaker 4: a dilemma not only faced here, it's a dilomau faced

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Speaker 4: in every Australian state, particularly in Queens Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well look we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are, of course listening to mix one OW four

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Speaker 1: point nine three sixty. It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to mix ONEOW four ninees three sixty

463
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Speaker 1: if you've just joined us this morning. We have in

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Speaker 1: got Joe Hersey, We've got Gary Shipway and Chancey Paike

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Speaker 1: in the studio with us. Now. The budget estimates process.

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Speaker 1: It's been under way this week and last week and

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Speaker 1: well some questions were raised a little earlier in the

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Speaker 1: week of the Health Minister and also the CEO around

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Speaker 1: Code Yellows at Royal Darwin Hospital. Now, when we last

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Speaker 1: caught up with the outgoing nt President of the AMA,

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Speaker 1: doctor Robert Parker, a few weeks ago, he'd said on

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Speaker 1: the show that there'd been a directive from NTE Health

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Speaker 1: not to call them even though they were needed. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Minister rejected those claims at the time, saying that

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Speaker 1: there were regular meetings to address any capacity concerns or pressures. Now,

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Speaker 1: as we know, there were eleven code yellows called at

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Speaker 1: Royal Darwin and Palmerston Hospitals in the twenty three to

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Speaker 1: twenty four financial year, but not since the CLP came

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Speaker 1: to government. Now. We then caught up with doctor John Zorbis,

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Speaker 1: the new head of the AMA. He joined us on

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Speaker 1: the show on Wednesday, said that Royal Darwin Hospital is

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Speaker 1: under significant pressure, also pointing to a nationally recognized term

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Speaker 1: referred to as access blog where patients are waiting longer

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Speaker 1: than eight hours for the care that they need. He

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Speaker 1: says this is happening on an almost daily basis and

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Speaker 1: at the crux of the issue is a shortage of

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Speaker 1: bed So I guess not calling a cold yellow may

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Speaker 1: sort out any kind of pr issue, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily sort the issue within the hospital. We know our

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Speaker 1: hospital is absolutely under the pump.

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Speaker 4: It'd be gobsmacked if the hospitals never under the pump.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's been like that as long as I've

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Speaker 4: lived here, and I've been his it's nine to eighty one.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I just I could be stated that

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Speaker 4: that hospital was not under the pump every day because

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Speaker 4: it is. That's the nature of the problems that we

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Speaker 4: have here in the Northern Church. And it's again it's nationally.

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Speaker 4: Look what's going on nationally, same situation, So how could

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Speaker 4: we be different?

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the thing. He also said. Doctor

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Speaker 1: John Zorbas said, I believe since twenty sixteen, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've had these issues in terms of you know, within

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Speaker 1: our hospitals. I guess the problem here is have we

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Speaker 1: got a government that he's trying to hide those capacity

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Speaker 1: issues by not allowing a department to actually call a

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Speaker 1: code yellow.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not Katie and big shout out to their Minister

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Speaker 6: for Health, who's actually unwell today.

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Speaker 5: I hope he's listening.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I did listen to him and the CEO,

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Speaker 6: Chris Hoskins in the estimates process, and you know, as

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Speaker 6: Chris had said RDH had not had a situation where

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Speaker 6: staff have been able where they haven't been able to

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Speaker 6: deal with those pressures, and he went on to say

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Speaker 6: that they you know, have huddles with key clinicians and

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Speaker 6: seenior hospital staff. But let's just be clear, Katie, when

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Speaker 6: they call a code yellow, that actually means that anyone

518
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Speaker 6: that's having elected surgery cannot have that done.

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Speaker 1: So is that why they're not calling them so that

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Speaker 1: the so that the elective surgeries can still happen.

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Speaker 6: No, No, that's not why they're calling them at why

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Speaker 6: they're not calling them at all. But you know we've

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Speaker 6: had coming into government with the infrastructure under the previous

524
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Speaker 6: government has not been kept up to date, and we

525
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Speaker 6: know that there's a mental health facility there that's you know,

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Speaker 6: gone over budget and still not.

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Speaker 5: Finalized there.

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Speaker 6: But this is that they did the Minister and the

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Speaker 6: CEO outlined it fairly clearly in the estimates process that

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Speaker 6: you know, this is something that they talk about with

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Speaker 6: their when they get into their huddles or whatever.

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Speaker 5: And as you said, they haven't had a situation.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a bit dodgy to me, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Code yellows are an important tool that enables the hospital

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Speaker 3: staff to measure and manage their practices and it shouldn't

536
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Speaker 3: be being politicized. We heard in estimates from the Minister

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Speaker 3: for Health that they haven't had a code yet and

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Speaker 3: that there's been no need to call a code yellow.

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Speaker 3: But then when we're talking out at the hospital and

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Speaker 3: on the ground with nurses, doctors, healthcare providers, they are

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Speaker 3: all saying a very different story. So I think what

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Speaker 3: we have heard through that estimates process was that there

543
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Speaker 3: has been a number of processes and formulas changed or

544
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Speaker 3: been updated and that's allowing them to.

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Speaker 2: Not call code yellows.

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Speaker 3: So I certainly think that there are a lot more

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Speaker 3: questions to be asked, and it certainly does sound very

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Speaker 3: dodgy when you've got one thing coming from the Minister

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Speaker 3: which is in contradiction of all our hard working health

550
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Speaker 3: professional saying that there should definitely absolutely be code yellows

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Speaker 3: being called.

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Speaker 1: Look for me, I think fundamentally, what I want to

553
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Speaker 1: be sure of is that our doctors, our nurses, all

554
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Speaker 1: of our health care stuff, everybody working at the hospital

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Speaker 1: has what they need to be able to do their

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Speaker 1: jobs because they work incredibly bloody hard, you know, You're

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Speaker 1: talking about people at different times that I'm sure are

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Speaker 1: probably pully double shifts. They are caring for people in

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Speaker 1: the most dire of their times, so they need to

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Speaker 1: have everything that they require to be able to do

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Speaker 1: their jobs and to do them well. But also, you know,

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Speaker 1: we want to make sure that if a Territorian is sick,

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Speaker 1: if you turn up to the hospital, that there is

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Speaker 1: space there for you and that you're able to be sadi.

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Speaker 3: It's all spin. We're hearing from people and health care

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Speaker 3: providers that emergency is double bunked at the moment. How

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Speaker 3: can that not be the need to call a code yellow.

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Speaker 3: People are there for an emergency and they are being

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Speaker 3: double bunked under the government's current formulas, and no need

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Speaker 3: to call code.

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Speaker 6: Yellow, Joe, But I think you know, we do have

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Speaker 6: an infrastructure deficit there that was not addressed by the

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Speaker 6: previous government.

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Speaker 3: But profits before people. This is about healthcare, This is

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Speaker 3: about Territorius. I don't think not having to be put

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Speaker 3: on hold because of economic rationale. People are sick, they

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Speaker 3: need care and attention and they need to be dealt with.

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Speaker 3: The government needs to come clean. What's the process and

579
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Speaker 3: what's the formula that's been updated, Katie, that's now stopping

580
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Speaker 3: Code yellows.

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Speaker 1: Well, look we were due to catch up with the

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Speaker 1: Health Ministry yesterday but he was sick, Joe, as you've

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Speaker 1: touched on, so.

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Speaker 2: I hope he's not waiting Paul Bugger, he might have something.

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Speaker 1: Well, look we might take a very quick break. There

586
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Speaker 1: is so much to cover off on this morning. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O fortnite. It is the

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Speaker 1: week that was, you are listening to three sixty. It

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Speaker 1: is indeed the week that wasn't in the studio today

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Speaker 1: we've got Chancey Paik, We've got Gary Shipway and of

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Speaker 1: course Joe Hersey. Now it has as we've been saying,

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Speaker 1: it's been an incredibly busy week. There has been quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of details sort of revealed throughout the estimates

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Speaker 1: process on various different things. But we did learn earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week the Northern Territory Attorney General has announced

596
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Speaker 1: a proposed racism review into the Northern Territory Police Force

597
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Speaker 1: has been scrapped. The Northern Territory Government had committed to

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Speaker 1: identifying and eliminating systemic racism in Northern Territory government government

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Speaker 1: agencies as part of the Aboriginal Justice Agreement of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Now we'd asked the Attorney General about this

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Speaker 1: a little earlier in the week. Here is part of

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Speaker 1: what she had to say.

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Speaker 7: This particular racism review was announced under the former Labor government.

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Speaker 7: It was three hundred thousand dollars to be given to

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Speaker 7: the Anti Discrimination Commissioner to conduct that review into police.

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Speaker 7: Coming into government in August, there was a huge budget

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Speaker 7: deficits late last year. We had Legal Aid who was

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Speaker 7: in absolute disarrayed. So we had to make a really

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Speaker 7: tough decision and we had to find enough money to

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Speaker 7: give to Legal Aids so that people could be represented.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying instead of all that round two.

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Speaker 7: Thousand dollars yet from the police racism review over to

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Speaker 7: Legal Aid.

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: That was the Attorney General on the show earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do we think that that is a good

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Speaker 1: move a bad move? What do you make of it?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think Katie coming in government, as the Attorney

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Speaker 6: General has said, there, you know, there was a massive

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Speaker 6: debt and we've had to reprioritize funds in areas you

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Speaker 6: know that serve our government.

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Speaker 5: And as she said, three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 6: Dollars has been redirected to support legal aid, so now

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Speaker 6: they're funded, you know, correctly ongoing, and you know there's

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Speaker 6: actually Leanne Little's been brought in to do an internal

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Speaker 6: review with the police.

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Speaker 1: So she's still in there, she's still working in there,

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Speaker 1: still conducting that review.

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Speaker 6: She is, yes, So you know, I think we know

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Speaker 6: that laborf the review and they would review a one

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Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars Joe, it is a tiny amount of

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Speaker 6: money in the scheme of government. Chance that three hundred

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Speaker 6: thousand dollars huge.

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Speaker 3: You've redirected money to all the CLP pet projects, You've

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Speaker 3: all millions. There's a pet project, millions of dollars in

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Speaker 3: the territory coordinator six million dollars, seventeen staff, not one

637
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Speaker 3: project identified or fast tracked.

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Speaker 2: Yet we're talking about three.

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Speaker 3: Hundred thousand dollars, Katie, and the Attorney in General now

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Speaker 3: saying that police will review within, police will review police racism.

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Speaker 2: No one should review themselves, Katie.

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Speaker 1: But isntly a little reviewing reviewing it because she's absolutely

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Speaker 1: up to the job.

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Speaker 3: Lianne how Little is a very competent territory and absolutely

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Speaker 3: she works and is employed by the police. This needs

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Speaker 3: to be an independent review.

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Speaker 1: Because there is so mull that she can do that.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely think Leanne is capable of doing the job.

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Speaker 3: But there are so many Territorians.

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Speaker 2: Let me finish, Joe.

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Speaker 3: There are so many Territorians who are concerned, who are anxious,

652
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Speaker 3: who have anxiety currently about racism and if it exists

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Speaker 3: and where it exists systematically and systemically in the force.

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Speaker 3: This is a way to say to territorians, we're doing

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Speaker 3: an independent review so that a third party can come

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Speaker 3: in and look at those structures and help rebuild confidence

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Speaker 3: in the police force.

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Speaker 1: Jo what do you think?

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Speaker 5: I just think, you know, it was a bit of

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Speaker 5: a contradiction.

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Speaker 6: The three hundred thousand that has been reprioritized to redirected

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Speaker 6: to support the frontline legal services, I think is a worthy,

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Speaker 6: you know, redirection of funds.

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Speaker 5: So now they can get on with doing the job

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Speaker 5: that they do best. And we have, as I said, Leanne.

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Speaker 6: Little has been brought in to do the police internal review.

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Speaker 2: One chance dollars.

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Speaker 3: From the territory coordinator. Why didn't you take it from there?

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Speaker 5: We got left an eleven billion dollar debt, but.

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Speaker 2: You've gone an additional billion debt.

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Speaker 6: This budget reprioritize funding in so many areas, Chancy, It's

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Speaker 6: just we cannot do everything extra.

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Speaker 4: Look at this as a I'm looking this a broader

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Speaker 4: picture because when this Justice Agreement was signed in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty one, there were there was meant to be reviews

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Speaker 4: into right across the departments, and since twenty twenty one

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Speaker 4: there's done what one almost completed. So it really begs

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Speaker 4: the question, why is it taking so long? Why is

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Speaker 4: it taking so long? We're twenty twenty one, we're now

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. Why have we only got to

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Speaker 4: the position where we have one half completed? I mean,

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Speaker 4: chancing you might be able to say, why would it

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Speaker 4: take so long to get to this point?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: So, certainly there are actually two parts here. One the

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Speaker 3: review into the Department of Infrastructure, Planning and Logistics Dibble

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Speaker 3: at the time, that went through the process through attorney

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Speaker 3: generals around procurement, and then the Aboriginal Justice Agreement.

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Speaker 2: The other money actually completed. No, no, it's actually finished.

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Speaker 3: It was actually finished, and the department we're working through

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Speaker 3: those recommendations and the report was being finalized with the

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Speaker 3: Governance Committee. So you might want to do some fact checking,

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Speaker 3: but the three hundred thousand dollars was going over to

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Speaker 3: the Anti Discrimination Commission to trial how they could conduct

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Speaker 3: a racism review into the Northern Territory Police.

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Speaker 2: Never delivered because you cut it.

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Speaker 4: But what about all the others? What about all the others?

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Speaker 3: As I said, yeah, so again the Aboriginal Governance Committee

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Speaker 3: of the Aboriginal Justice Agreement were identifying which departments as

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Speaker 3: each department was finished to work through. Let's not lose

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Speaker 3: sight here. This government took three hundred thousand dollars away

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Speaker 3: from doing an independent races and review.

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Speaker 1: Having a crack at them about that, like is it

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Speaker 1: a bit hypocritical? Then when it wasn't completed while you

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Speaker 1: guys were in.

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Speaker 3: Power again, Katie, the review was being worked through by

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Speaker 3: Andrew Kirkman and the Department of dipple around working with

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Speaker 3: the reviewer on areas within the department that needed to

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Speaker 3: be reviewed.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like there was a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: but not a huge amount of action.

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Speaker 3: Well, there was certainly action because there was a person

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Speaker 3: doing the review, and there's a lot of inaction from

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Speaker 3: the CLP because they've just taken away three hundred thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are garage. You want to have my

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Speaker 1: last them.

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Speaker 4: I say, I get what you're saying there about this

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Speaker 4: policing aspect. But even when you talk about independent reviews

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Speaker 4: or that the Prime Minister wouldn't even buy into, you know,

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Speaker 4: whether he would come in and get federal police to

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Speaker 4: look into the common Joe White case. And I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's a hot potato that no one wants to really

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Speaker 4: get in. But you're you know, you have the three

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand where is it gone? You can justify and

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Speaker 4: questioning all that, But I just I just look and

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Speaker 4: it just the fact we've got nowhere with the other departments,

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Speaker 4: to me, just that demonstrats that maybe the departments weren't

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Speaker 4: embracing this themselves. I don't know. Just a lot of

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Speaker 4: years have gone by for no result.

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Speaker 5: That's all I think. There's the previous government loved to,

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Speaker 5: as I said, have a review or review a review.

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Speaker 5: Even the.

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Speaker 6: There is a review happening, though it's an internal review

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Speaker 6: by the police, who.

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Speaker 5: Are totally different.

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Speaker 2: But that review is completely different to the racism review.

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Speaker 6: But it's an internal racism review that Leanne Little has

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Speaker 6: been brought in to do.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you can say you can't.

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Speaker 3: You have to approach like, how do you find this

742
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Speaker 3: position that you're asking an organization to review it self

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Speaker 3: on its own position on racism that.

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Speaker 6: Respected a highly respect to the Aboriginal person as welly.

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Speaker 3: Full Disclosurely and I have family together, and I think

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Speaker 3: she's more than competent to do the job. But I

747
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Speaker 3: have a role as a politician to bring forth the

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Speaker 3: views and concerns of Territorians. And there are so many

749
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Speaker 3: people who are worried that police reviewing police about police

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Speaker 3: racism is not going to be thorough. They want an

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Speaker 3: independent investigation.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a little bit about bush.

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Speaker 3: People are concerned, and they are cautious, they are anxious,

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Speaker 3: they are worried. In Alice Springs, Intenet Creek and Catherine

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Speaker 3: in the Bush. In Darwen Pumpson this says an independent

756
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Speaker 3: review is someone completely removed from either the government or

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Speaker 3: the police to do this important report.

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Speaker 1: I just think when you look at somebody likely and

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Speaker 1: little and the respect that she has, I feel as though,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do think she is more than capable

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Speaker 1: of conducting that review.

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Speaker 3: No one's questioning her capability. People are worried and they

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Speaker 3: are rightly concerned that someone who is sitting in police

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be being reviewing police.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a really quick break. The time

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Speaker 1: is flying by. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was,

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Speaker 1: and if you've just joined us, we've missed an hour

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Speaker 1: of power. As always, should be able to go back

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Speaker 1: and have a listen on Sunday morning or jump online

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Speaker 1: in the studio with us this morning, of course. Joe Hersey,

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Speaker 1: Gary Shipway and Chancey Paig. Now before I let you

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Speaker 1: all go, the government this morning announcing that they're going

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Speaker 1: to be cutting red tape and saving Territorian's time and

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Speaker 1: money through some common sense reform to light vehicle road

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Speaker 1: Worthy inspections. Joe, what exactly is this going to mean?

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Speaker 5: I think this is a great initiative and announcement today. Katie.

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Speaker 6: We know that when you go to MVR there's always

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Speaker 6: a Q people. That's one thing that people always bring

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Speaker 6: up with me are the time time that it takes

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Speaker 6: to go through the MVR.

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Speaker 5: So as of the first of.

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Speaker 6: January next year, twenty twenty six, light vehicles less than

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Speaker 6: ten years old will no longer require periodic roadworthy inspections,

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Speaker 6: in line with most Australian states and territories, and so

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Speaker 6: that's a great thing. So if your car is less

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Speaker 6: than ten years old, you don't have to go and

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Speaker 6: have an inspection. So that just means it more time

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Speaker 6: for you, less time that you have to line up

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Speaker 6: at the motor vehicle registry.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's a great thing.

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a winner. As someone

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Speaker 4: who's just been going, I've just had to go through

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Speaker 4: the process of registering two vehicles. So I've been last

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Speaker 4: month backwards and forwards motor vehicle at goiter wish Up

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Speaker 4: and look, those people are fantastic. They have the number

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Speaker 4: of people that are in there from earlier, right from

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Speaker 4: the opening close to finish, and these people are so patient,

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Speaker 4: so good. But I just think this is going to

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Speaker 4: save people time and money, and saving people money is

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Speaker 4: always a good thing and save particularly saving time and

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Speaker 4: the I mean it's it's not unique to hear that

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Speaker 4: happens in a state as well, So I just think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: anything that saves piped money and time is going to

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Speaker 4: be a win.

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Speaker 3: Look, Katie, I think certainly hearing from people there. There's

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Speaker 3: already been measures. I think if a car was five

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Speaker 3: years and newer, it didn't need an inspection, So this

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Speaker 3: is just expanding it by another five years.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: A bit it's a it's a bit cheeky of the

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Speaker 3: government because we've just heard Minister Hersey talking about MVR.

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Speaker 3: MVA do a great job, go down there a lot

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Speaker 3: with family, you know, licensing registration. If you want to

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Speaker 3: drive real, meaningful systemic change, increase the funding to bring

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Speaker 3: more people into the MVR officers so that they can

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Speaker 3: have their workloads reduced. That's what people want to see.

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Speaker 1: If you.

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Speaker 2: People were in Yeah, but Katie, MVR is a frontline service.

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Speaker 3: People go down there and when they're sitting there for

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Speaker 3: hours because the government are not funding enough staff to

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Speaker 3: actually do these checks. That's a real issue that can

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Speaker 3: be addressed. But you know what, it's Friday, Katie. I

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Speaker 3: will say, look, this is this.

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Speaker 5: Is an AMPLI take that one the second for the week.

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Speaker 2: So I've given you to this week. People are going

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Speaker 2: to start talking. Building was nearly on fire yesterday.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you know, this is obviously welcome news

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Speaker 3: from people in the territory.

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Speaker 2: This additional five years before.

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Speaker 1: I let everyone go hang on a sec what building

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Speaker 1: was nearly on fire?

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Speaker 5: Yesterday?

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Speaker 6: I had the fire alarms in Parliament House. Chancey was speaking.

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Speaker 6: Our budget was so hot.

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Speaker 5: It was just it was.

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Speaker 3: The alarminerating smoking so well, we all had to take

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Speaker 3: a few steps out, take a moment to cool off.

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Speaker 2: Everyone a j and b all gathered on the.

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Speaker 1: Lawn and waiting for the sprinklers to come home.

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Speaker 3: Waited for a bit of a bit or something, but nothing,

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Speaker 3: so we all went back in and got on with.

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Speaker 1: The jot on with the jaws.

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Speaker 5: It was an interesting process.

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Speaker 6: And Robin Lamley said, never in her period of time

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Speaker 6: at Parliament, she's never had that happen.

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Speaker 5: Before you go, we parliament's been sitting. Chancey was actually delivery.

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Speaker 2: I was midway through speech. The leader of the opposition,

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Speaker 2: minnes Or Selena You.

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Speaker 3: She absolutely was the first one out of the building

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Speaker 3: getting everyone else to get out.

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Speaker 1: So what did that say about your speech?

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Speaker 2: She just wanted to be safe.

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Speaker 3: But look, let's just say it was it was an

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Speaker 3: interesting unusual day in Parliament.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Great to have you all in the studio

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Speaker 1: this morning. Joe Hersey, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Katie, and I just want to give a big

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Speaker 6: shout out to Bryce Forward, who's the NTS you know

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Speaker 6: born and Red Vight driver this weekend, So if you're

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Speaker 6: in Darwin, head down to the V Eights and it's

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Speaker 6: a very busy weekend, as all weekends all season are,

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Speaker 6: and yeah there's a lot going on. Get out and

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Speaker 6: support all the events that are on this weekend at

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Speaker 6: the at the V Eights.

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Speaker 5: That's I'm heading.

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Speaker 1: Out absolutely, Gary ship Way.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time, Welcome to everyone from here

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Speaker 4: for the Super Eights, and welcome to the Archaeologial Congress

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Speaker 4: two thousand wonderful people.

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Speaker 1: We might have to do a live cross next week.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like.

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Speaker 3: Chatsy b Yeah, look, certainly. A big shout out to

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Speaker 3: Rice Forward as well here for the weekend. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he'll be getting revved up by all the territorians. And

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Speaker 3: a big shout out again to all the public servants

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Speaker 3: for the last two weeks coming to estimates and really

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Speaker 3: doing the hard job.

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Speaker 2: So shout out to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Joe and I are certainly getting back to the cooler country, cooler.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh, it's been lovely to have you all in

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Speaker 1: the studio this morning. Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: You are, of course listening to Mix one O four

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Speaker 1: point nine