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Speaker 1: William mckinnis has a new book out.

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Speaker 2: It's called Jenna, and I think that gives us an

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Speaker 2: indication as to what it's about, and he joins us, now,

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Speaker 2: William mckinness, it is always such a pleasant pleasure to.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's always a pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: That's lovely and yeah, nah, I love seeing people overseas

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Speaker 2: react to what the hell that even means is the same?

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Speaker 3: I just I finished working with people on television show

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Speaker 3: and we say, I said, you're liking the place and

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Speaker 3: all that sort of trying to be polite over coffee. Yes,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, it was such a wonderful way of talking.

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Speaker 3: What does it mean? Yea? And I thought, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's one of the most straight, you know, straight down

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Speaker 3: the line, down the word democratic ways of accepting a

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Speaker 3: proposition and saying no. It's usually used. The first time

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Speaker 3: I really noticed it was Tramphead in the last Ashes series.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Bogen's Bogan. Travis thought out and he

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Speaker 3: you know, they were all over him like a fly.

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Speaker 3: He's got a sentry in the session and this trap

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Speaker 3: you must have. You're so happy you were really seeing

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Speaker 3: it well out there, you absolutely slaughtered them, You really

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Speaker 3: put them to the knight and trad goes, oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: I just job and I'm happy we with positions. I

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Speaker 3: don't need the praise. I'm just doing my job. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's so Australian. I think I love.

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Speaker 4: He's a World Cup hero mate, the winner.

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Speaker 3: This is what good was the world cut that gives

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Speaker 3: his catch little and his centry like he ran, he

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Speaker 3: ran three killing meters. You read another owners on the

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Speaker 3: way through that way, that's that far he ran. I'm real.

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Speaker 1: So this is what the book is about. It's about

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Speaker 1: It's about words.

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Speaker 2: It's about our love with words and the weird and

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Speaker 2: wonderful way Australians say things.

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Speaker 1: Am I right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's so much more words.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's so much more. It's a weight loss,

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Speaker 3: weight gains, the hair loss. You know yours. You can

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Speaker 3: have a jeff Lynn afro ten o'clock at coffee break

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Speaker 3: words I'm bugging at big. It's more about the words

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Speaker 3: we use in Australia, and some words and the people

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Speaker 3: that used them and the stories behind them. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: Australians love nicknames, but there's nothing better than getting a nickname.

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Speaker 3: It's bestowing a nickname and I just go, I've had

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Speaker 3: a couple of beauties. I've played rugby when because I

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Speaker 3: grew up in Queensland and I was a second rower,

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Speaker 3: and I used to think I was sortable right probably

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Speaker 3: you know. I had one coach who called me bypassed

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Speaker 3: because that I was also I was also going out

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Speaker 3: Oh there was another There was another coach who called

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Speaker 3: me hard top and I thought, yeah, you must think

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Speaker 3: I'm a hard and tough, hard running second rower. There

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Speaker 3: was a social and I went up to him. I

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Speaker 3: said Rex. He said yes, William. I said, why do

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Speaker 3: you Why do you call me hardtop? He said, well, Son,

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Speaker 3: you're like a hard top Courtina. And if anyone knows

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Speaker 3: anything about cars in the seventies, Cortina hardtop. They called

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Speaker 3: and I said it was hard top man. He said,

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Speaker 3: you're like a hard top Courteena. You look good, but

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Speaker 3: to own that. Yeah. I was home just the other

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Speaker 3: My father also loved giving people nicknames that he had

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Speaker 3: he didn't like our dogs because our dogs were kelpies

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Speaker 3: I took the horn so you know that it's me,

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Speaker 3: and he was and my father was going, oh, buddy Pharaoh,

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Speaker 3: And went on and on and on and on, and

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Speaker 3: I said, why do you call mister Anchors the pharaoh?

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Speaker 3: He has to be just do you. Why are we

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Speaker 3: right because he sits in his car and he's beeping

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Speaker 3: his horn, right like that should make all the sense

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Speaker 3: he goes tooting Carmen.

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Speaker 2: Because our parents and grandparents had the best phrases, didn't

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Speaker 2: they just yeah, reached peak Australiana during that time.

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Speaker 4: I handle him down through the generations down and it sounds

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Speaker 3: One working on this working on this show in n

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we can talk about you.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go out over time, that's all right, right,

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Speaker 3: the key make the key grip who runs for the

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Speaker 3: sort of you know, the camera, all the trains and everything.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're going to have to go overtime. And

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Speaker 3: this young off sider of his goes, what on a Friday,

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Speaker 3: not happy jan He would have been about twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that means? Where it comes from? Now?

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Speaker 3: My mom says that when she's not happy.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 4: Love it to hand me down hand. Yeah, speaking of

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Speaker 4: the show, I mean, it's been a long time since

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Speaker 4: Blue Heelers, mate, but n C I s Sydney. About

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Speaker 4: time we got one in another city other than State Side.

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Speaker 4: And Toddler siance was very, very excited about getting his role.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you all were.

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Speaker 1: Made mostly because he was going to get to work

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The other day, well they needed someone to play

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Speaker 4: That mean, oh hard time.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, mate, I've been in a relatively good

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Speaker 3: when I'm in my haz Matt suit, I look like

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Speaker 3: the Harrys and Grumpies Kelley Tubby names. Man. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're making it over there, but

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Speaker 3: todd Yes, he always reminded me of a sort of

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Speaker 1: An extra woody and he's a lovely bloke.

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Speaker 3: He's he's got a great name, you know. You know

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Speaker 3: they called him last Chance.

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Speaker 4: Last year, last Toddles.

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Speaker 3: He said to me, he said to me, that's what

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Speaker 1: Speaking of TV and Sydney is on my list.

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Speaker 2: But what I absolutely I would describe as some as

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Speaker 2: the best television I've seen in a long time as

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Speaker 2: the news Reader series. Now, well, I see because I

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Speaker 2: well it's done.

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Speaker 1: And I had the be here, I had it all.

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Speaker 4: She was very I.

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Speaker 1: Was very happy. Just a child. Just take a dab.

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Speaker 2: But I used to work at Channel seven on the weekends,

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Speaker 2: and I am sure I worked for your character.

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Speaker 1: Your news director.

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Speaker 2: Is so damn spot on for the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of a lot of maths teachers went

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Speaker 3: into that character.

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Speaker 2: How much fun really was it playing Lindsey Cunningham?

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Speaker 3: Oh it was. It was fun as I mean, they

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Speaker 3: were really nice people, but you know, they'd let me

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Speaker 3: And they'd say, is it your famer or your uncle

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Speaker 3: I can remember another and not that this is Rugby centric,

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Speaker 4: When yeah, the passion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he told me, he said you you you're useless

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Speaker 3: You're as big as a bluddy barn William He said,

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Speaker 3: you bloody king, look like a king. If anyone remembers him,

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Speaker 3: was a rather flamboint bachelor character. He said, did you

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Speaker 3: ever work with Rick Harden?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, Rick's still reading the news.

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Speaker 4: He's been days.

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Speaker 3: Yesty's hair girl is wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Has been through some times. But looking looking real good.

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Speaker 4: He's looking good and it's like great mist but yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's looking he's looking the goods on there.

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Speaker 2: You know they are that they are the longest running

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Speaker 2: news reading team in the.

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Speaker 3: World institution there Aucrat.

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Speaker 4: Totally before the Sullivan's mane.

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Speaker 3: I tell you, I have to remember looking at him

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Speaker 3: when I was I went to a whopper. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: by that free Yeah it was fair. That was that

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Speaker 3: was God that I was going out with a Povet.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can anyone remember Mark Povey patrolling? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I remember, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They had they had sort of you know vets. They

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Speaker 3: were young women who were dressed like Mett Bowler's sort

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Speaker 3: of serving.

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Speaker 4: Because the Eagles had the eaglets at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: I was chased by Laurie Keene once. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: it was huge. We were John Tod was coaching them.

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Speaker 3: They were they were training where Edith Cow and that's

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Speaker 3: where Whopper was, yes, And we were just having a

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Speaker 3: recreational down there and we were laughing and one was

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Speaker 3: making fun of them, and then they were doing ball

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Speaker 3: drills and he just kept on coming and someone said,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's coming after you. He's not. It was

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Speaker 3: like a big mustache just I think he was just

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Speaker 3: putting the wind uppers. But I mean I took off

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Speaker 3: half the time running larnch.

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Speaker 4: On Spottle eggs.

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Speaker 1: Well, William, we don't want to, but we have to

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Speaker 1: let you go.

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Speaker 3: Cannibals toilet.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to get out of the underground.

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Speaker 3: It was like a door.

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Speaker 4: The key was inside your friends.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold, I don't want to tell you what I

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Speaker 3: had to cut off.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought maybe we could do a take, you know,

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Speaker 2: a second, a second part down the track a bit.

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Speaker 3: All right, So they've been quite talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Good Welcome to the Hard Top Podcast. Thanks Bill, William.

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Speaker 1: Your now is out now you two