Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: Happy thirteenth of November.
Speaker 3: Guys, today we're chatting about Nagi of Recueten Eats. Don't
Speaker 3: make me continue to talk about her because I will
Speaker 3: at length and also is saying my boyfriend he We
Speaker 3: got a bit of blowback a few months ago when
Speaker 3: I talked about how I want to see the term
Speaker 3: partner use.
Speaker 2: Less liberally is sure to continue to ruffle some feathers.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I love the way you phrased that.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Flex and Frooms on Kita.
Speaker 4: Question for the audience, should gen Z be going to
Speaker 4: the office. I'm not trying to do that thing where
Speaker 4: to avoid millennials going to the office, we do a
Speaker 4: little bait and switch and say what about gen Z?
Speaker 1: What about them?
Speaker 4: But I've been thinking a lot about this loneliness epidemic
Speaker 4: because it's haunting all of my social medias and it's
Speaker 4: getting to the point where I can't tell is if
Speaker 4: this is like individually constructed or the nature of just
Speaker 4: being alive and everyone's that kind of lonely, but you
Speaker 4: deal with them. And so I was thinking about how
Speaker 4: it's definitely impacting each generation differently. Like the loneliness the
Speaker 4: elderly community experiences is similar to the loneliness of toddler experiences,
Speaker 4: but different age groups and different reasons. Right, So, like
Speaker 4: a toddler experiences loneliness because they don't have their parents
Speaker 4: on their back twenty four to seven that they did
Speaker 4: when they're an infant, and an elderly person experiences loneliness
Speaker 4: because they can compare what life was to what life is.
Speaker 1: Da da da da. Then I was thinking, what's gen
Speaker 1: Z's reason for being lonely?
Speaker 4: You know, if we look at social media and what
Speaker 4: it's made to do connect people through and through, they
Speaker 4: don't really have context for life before then, So what's
Speaker 4: your big excuse for being lonely?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: And then I was thinking it's because the different life
Speaker 4: stages that are meant to encourage connection are now virtual.
Speaker 1: So like, oh, don't worry.
Speaker 4: Remember when those Australian Unich students were campaigning to get
Speaker 4: their tuition refunded because a lot of their coursework was online,
Speaker 4: and they were like, no, this is weird, Like we're
Speaker 4: paying for face to face, we're paying for the unique experience,
Speaker 4: we're paying for connection and community.
Speaker 1: This can't happen online.
Speaker 4: Similarly, this push to work from home mustn't be doing
Speaker 4: any good for people who have been isolated up until
Speaker 4: that point.
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but say what you want
Speaker 4: about office culture. It amounts for a lot of interpersonal relationship,
Speaker 4: relationship building, building connections, making friends, making acquaintances, sharing gossip,
Speaker 4: sharing stories.
Speaker 1: Whether or not you want to do.
Speaker 4: The commute, that's separate to the fact that the office
Speaker 4: does do a lot for you socially, and you cannot
Speaker 4: replicate it with no office experience. If I was going
Speaker 4: straight from high school every day, like you know, chit
Speaker 4: chatting with the girl is at recess, at lunch and
Speaker 4: in classes, and then went to work in the real
Speaker 4: world and then it was all online, I would feel lonely.
Speaker 2: Too insane, insane, It's adding up.
Speaker 3: So I got my redundant during COVID where we all
Speaker 3: couldn't be in the office, so it was kind of
Speaker 3: like a nice It was kind of the perfect experience
Speaker 3: because no one is in the office anyway, so I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I'm missing everyone.
Speaker 2: So it was like a forced removal in quite a
Speaker 2: beautiful way. It also meant so guys.
Speaker 1: The beauty of hindsight.
Speaker 3: If you have never been made redundant and shout out
Speaker 3: to the baddies who have, do you realize that a
Speaker 3: lot of people get walked.
Speaker 2: I didn't know a thing called walking.
Speaker 3: You know what that is, Mickey, And it would happen
Speaker 3: a lot in publishers where someone come over, you go
Speaker 3: to a meeting, you've been made redundant or you've been fired.
Speaker 3: They say, okay, and you got to pack up your
Speaker 3: stuff now and leave. You can't log out of your
Speaker 3: computer out, you can't do.
Speaker 1: Anything sensitive information.
Speaker 3: Whereas me being in COVID and whatnot, and I come
Speaker 3: to my house, so tell me what I for the
Speaker 3: next week, Tell me why I get to use the
Speaker 3: computer for one more week, play on Facebook and whatnot,
Speaker 3: and then give it back. I had time to go
Speaker 3: to that apple Ston and get myself a macbill Pro.
Speaker 3: With the redundancy payout.
Speaker 1: Was the real handover.
Speaker 3: Flex and I and Mickey, I would also say, have
Speaker 3: been on the internet for a very long time, and
Speaker 3: when you're on the Internet, you realize that there are
Speaker 3: things that you come to think of as second nature,
Speaker 3: when we really should be questioning them. One of them
Speaker 3: is what the hell is capture? I recently went to
Speaker 3: it down a deep dive. I'll share that with you
Speaker 3: guys next week. Something else that I wondered is what
Speaker 3: happens when you unsubscribe to an email. Now we all
Speaker 3: know what happens in terms of like you're not gonna
Speaker 3: get emails anymore, that's number one. But I always wondered
Speaker 3: after you click unsubscribe and ask you to, like, say why,
Speaker 3: and you get all the different boxes, it'd be like,
Speaker 3: I never signed up to this. They're too many emails.
Speaker 3: These are not interesting to me anymore. I'm changing my
Speaker 3: email blah blah blah. I personally always click, I didn't
Speaker 3: sign up for this newsletter even though you did. Nah,
Speaker 3: only the ones that I didn't, because nothing brings my
Speaker 3: current to the forefront like getting unsolicited emails and texts. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was post aka scammer, I'm looking at you, So
Speaker 3: in my current behavior, I click. I never signed up
Speaker 3: for these, and I always wondered what actually happens, Like
Speaker 3: do they get fined?
Speaker 2: Who's finding them?
Speaker 1: High hold on?
Speaker 4: Say people get fined with putting letters in your letter box?
Speaker 4: It's what it's there for.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty sure you can if it's like fully,
Speaker 3: if you're doing a mail out and you just drop
Speaker 3: and crap into people's litterboxes.
Speaker 4: Well, if people are saying that they don't want to
Speaker 4: be subscribed to your email list and you keep them
Speaker 4: on their regardless, then that's you know, a breach of
Speaker 4: the contract. You've opted out and they're keeping you in there.
Speaker 4: That's not good. But usually all of this is automated anyway,
Speaker 4: so you get put into a separate list and then
Speaker 4: you can select all and then delete.
Speaker 3: Right, okay, I understand. Well, apparently what happens when you
Speaker 3: see when you click I never signed up for these,
Speaker 3: is that the mass mailing service that they've used to
Speaker 3: monitor whether the customers are adding people unwittingly to their
Speaker 3: mail list too many of those reports and the customer
Speaker 3: gets dropped.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this.
Speaker 1: What do you mean the customer in this context.
Speaker 3: The customer is the like brand that is using the
Speaker 3: mail service. They're using mail Chimp. Mailchimp is allegedly, like
Speaker 3: you know, taking notice of the data. Yeah, and now
Speaker 3: so it's LEXI and I newsletters.
Speaker 2: Mine is called frooms Old.
Speaker 3: I haven't posted a newsletter for about four months because
Speaker 3: I've been busy writing my book. But you're a new newsletter, baddie.
Speaker 3: I love seeing the insights.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love the insights.
Speaker 3: Like, guys, just know if you started to a newsletter,
Speaker 3: the kind of information that you can see, what I
Speaker 3: can see, what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Like when I was dating that guy. Okay, maybe I
Speaker 2: won't say it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I gotta say it.
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I was saying, this guy and his sister subscribed to
Speaker 3: my newsletter, and I like looked at her email and
Speaker 3: I could see how many times she'd like opened it
Speaker 3: and read it and stuff good stuff like the insights.
Speaker 3: Just Instagram is quaking thinking about how much that.
Speaker 4: Imagine if you could see on Instagram, how how many
Speaker 4: times one person looked at a singular post of your
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I would.
Speaker 3: Be I think I would just I don't know what
Speaker 3: I have to I think I deleted my account before
Speaker 3: that cash information came to light. Yeah, your inflexing frooms, Okay,
Speaker 3: FLEXI I have a new obsession. And by a new obsession,
Speaker 3: I mean it's probably been about two years. A recipe
Speaker 3: tin eats done by none other than Nagi.
Speaker 2: What is your recipe two eats?
Speaker 3: You ask, it's only the best blog in the whole
Speaker 3: of Australia food or otherwise. Nagi is a cook. I
Speaker 3: love Nagi because her recipes are easy. She doesn't use
Speaker 3: stuff from organic supermarkets. And as you know, I am
Speaker 3: a skint tight US tight US Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Bobs, So I love that about her.
Speaker 3: She's really like a democratic queen for that and her recipes.
Speaker 3: I have never made a Nagi recipe that I didn't like.
Speaker 3: It tastes like a restaurant, but you also know that
Speaker 3: it's made with love through her making the recipe and
Speaker 3: then you redoing it.
Speaker 1: What kind of recipes like? What's her cuisine? Her stick?
Speaker 3: Her cuisine spans the whole globe right, Middle Eastern, Yeap,
Speaker 3: Japanese Yep, she's she was born in Japan.
Speaker 2: British.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say a little bit of fish, fish and
Speaker 3: chip with a mushy pea moment. I'm sure I've seen
Speaker 3: that on the page. Let me give a bit more intel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so what do you what is so good about her?
Speaker 3: Because I know Mickey also is a huge fan. Is
Speaker 3: it because it's down to earth? Are the recipes easy
Speaker 3: to follow.
Speaker 4: There are literally a million cooks in the world, So
Speaker 4: why do you like her so much? I did a
Speaker 4: quick google my first google of hers one point one
Speaker 4: million followers. Are you late to the trend?
Speaker 2: One point one on Insta?
Speaker 1: Insta?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so you late to it? Are you early
Speaker 2: to it?
Speaker 3: My mum introduced me about two years ago, okay, which
Speaker 3: was a big deal. I'm like, mother, how the hell
Speaker 3: did you get here? Offence Heather. What I love about
Speaker 3: it is I just Nagi radiates good vibes.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to put my finger on it.
Speaker 3: But she's one of those special people that when she
Speaker 3: talks in videos, like sometimes she'll talk to the camera,
Speaker 3: it sounds exactly like what her recipes sound like. And
Speaker 3: she does the like pre thing and she's talking about
Speaker 3: Doze or her labrador, and the pre thing like the
Speaker 3: you know, before every recipe, they like go on a
Speaker 3: tangent like have you seen those means?
Speaker 2: Which is like before the recipe. It's like when I
Speaker 2: was seven years old, Why do I do that?
Speaker 4: You know what they do?
Speaker 2: Seo babes right to me?
Speaker 3: You so, yeah, Nagi when she makes salad there with
Speaker 3: umph as she says she has tried and tasted recipes.
Speaker 3: You know this woman really cares and she used to
Speaker 3: work in corporate.
Speaker 1: Where's this information coming back.
Speaker 2: From her origin story. I'm all across her the.
Speaker 4: Way I asked you why you like her, and you've
Speaker 4: plubbed her origin story on her website.
Speaker 3: I want to ensure I'm sharing the correct information with
Speaker 3: the family and friends. Anyway, Just honestly, tonight, if you
Speaker 3: want to cook and you don't know what to cook,
Speaker 3: Nagi recipe too eats. My personal favorites, the lasagna, the spaghetti, bolonnaise,
Speaker 3: best bolono sauce you'll ever get across, and the list
Speaker 3: goes on.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Flex and Rooms on Kaita.
Speaker 4: Kim and Kanye's ten year old daughter, potentially the most
Speaker 4: talked about ten year old ever, has just gotten her
Speaker 4: first ever solo magazine cover, and I've done us all
Speaker 4: the service of reading through it and pulling out some highlights.
Speaker 4: Strangely enough, I mean a couple of months ago through me,
Speaker 4: you said something to the effect of Northwest being something favorable,
Speaker 4: like someone we should be looking out for, And I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't really like kids being celebrities.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't say that, but we were talking about Northwest,
Speaker 3: and I think I didn't realize that she was nine
Speaker 3: because I think of her as like fifteen. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: but I know that we maybe not fifteen. That's an exaggeration.
Speaker 3: But we had the discussion, and I had never thought
Speaker 3: you brought this point up. I never had realized that
Speaker 3: the idea that Kim was like or her parents were
Speaker 3: kind of thrusting her into this place where she can't consent.
Speaker 4: That was what I Yeah, so I was of the
Speaker 4: point of, like, I love a content creator like the
Speaker 4: next person. But I do think it's so strange that
Speaker 4: a child so young, or just a child period, can
Speaker 4: be this intertwined and a mesh in culture in a
Speaker 4: way that they probably should be probably should be protected from,
Speaker 4: especially considering that Kim does go out of her way
Speaker 4: to protect north like she will do these lives she
Speaker 4: will send to them. But still I don't know if
Speaker 4: we should be having access to your ten year old
Speaker 4: like this. But nonetheless, the interview is done. I read
Speaker 4: through it, you'd be surprised. Number One, she's obsessed with
Speaker 4: Kanye West, which is classic divorce children loving dad vibes.
Speaker 4: She says here that her style icon is herself. She
Speaker 4: says that her favorite thing from the photo shoot is
Speaker 4: that she got to do her own edges, which, let
Speaker 4: me tell you, having the wrong hairdresser for the people
Speaker 4: of color on the shute starts young, because why is
Speaker 4: a ten year old doing her own hair and edges
Speaker 4: when she is the children of multimillionaires and juants billionaires.
Speaker 1: It doesn't add up.
Speaker 4: She also talks about wanting to be a mosquito because
Speaker 4: she's allergic to them and she can tell them all
Speaker 4: to leave her alone. It's fascinating hearing her kids process
Speaker 4: their lives like this thing that you hate so much
Speaker 4: you want to be.
Speaker 1: For what reason?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure three words that she would use to
Speaker 4: describe herself the best ever, This is a lot of
Speaker 4: confidence coming from a child, and even if it's who
Speaker 4: knows if it's real or fake.
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated by the fact that some.
Speaker 4: Adult here would have to written all these questions to
Speaker 4: position an interview for a ten year old. What would
Speaker 4: have been the best case scenario for this? Not quite sure.
Speaker 4: I'm also really intrigued that they didn't make it a feature.
Speaker 4: They didn't spend you know, thirty minutes with her and
Speaker 4: ask her a few questions and weave that into a story.
Speaker 4: They let her express herself. It's literally just Q and a,
Speaker 4: A Q and A. Do you like singing? Do you
Speaker 4: like performing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I like singing. Performing is my favorite. That is
Speaker 1: how simple the INTWO is, which I kind of want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's better rather.
Speaker 4: Than like positioning her as like this really profound kid
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's it's simple. It's here. It's fine because.
Speaker 2: That would feel more probing and that would feel more inappropriate.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's literally a child.
Speaker 3: I also love so like when I say Northwest, I
Speaker 3: like that she loves like Halloween and stuff. She's always
Speaker 3: doing prosthetics that stuff. That's what I got excited about
Speaker 3: when I first saw her. I'm like, she's doing these little,
Speaker 3: like creative things, and I loved that about her. But
Speaker 3: she's always going to be compared to both her parents
Speaker 3: and the way that both her parents are so divisive.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm very intrigued to see how this works out.
Speaker 4: And especially because unlike somebody like Blue Ivy, which is
Speaker 4: Beyonce and jay Z's child, your access to Blue Ivy
Speaker 4: is very limited by what Beyonce will allow in a
Speaker 4: very contrived circumstance like performing on tour. You can't touch her,
Speaker 4: you can look at her, don't talk about her, don't
Speaker 4: comment about her. And she'd been very, very particular to
Speaker 4: ensure that Blue is not really interwoven in any way
Speaker 4: but being a representative of the Carter family, she's not
Speaker 4: really her own entity realistically, She's just one kind of
Speaker 4: like piece of the bigger picture. And for that reason,
Speaker 4: if you never saw Blue Ivy again, you wouldn't really
Speaker 4: be surprised. The moment that Northwest decides to take even
Speaker 4: a brief hiatus from the media, the amount of rumors
Speaker 4: are going to be made up about her, the amount
Speaker 4: of speculations about her mental health, her relationship to fame,
Speaker 4: and all of this stuff. It's going to be a
Speaker 4: whiral wind for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh my word, My favorite part about doing this show
Speaker 3: is getting listener submissions. Mickey is always in the DMS talking.
Speaker 2: To our dear listeners.
Speaker 3: So I pop in when when the notifications on Froom's
Speaker 3: account isn't quite popping, I need little serotonin. I do
Speaker 3: go to our messages and have a little really not
Speaker 3: community management, but community check in.
Speaker 2: So guys don't worry. I'm thinking about you.
Speaker 3: We have a okay, So this is actually a TikTok
Speaker 3: that Jasmine saw and she thought of us, so she
Speaker 3: sent it in for us to discuss.
Speaker 2: We couldn't find the sauce, but here we go.
Speaker 1: Why is there nothing bitchier than seeing the freeze? My boyfriend,
Speaker 1: my woyfriend? Would you this weekend?
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I went to the museum with my
Speaker 4: airprim They're like, what with me?
Speaker 1: If you're to do a single person?
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're bragging.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can't.
Speaker 2: Hang out later, I'm getting dinner with my woifriend.
Speaker 1: Like what.
Speaker 3: This is so like internalized? Being single is embarrassing?
Speaker 2: Core?
Speaker 3: Do you not think I get I get that thing
Speaker 3: of like if you're with your friends and I feel
Speaker 3: like I've experienced it before when you've had a partner.
Speaker 4: Wow wow, oh wow through me, don't use partner.
Speaker 3: You don't understand. I pause because I was going to
Speaker 3: say boyfriend. The thing that I was gonna not say
Speaker 3: came out. You know, you know, I had a full
Speaker 3: not beef. But my best friend and I were in
Speaker 3: the car that I driven through King's Cross and she
Speaker 3: was like, you know what the one thing that I disagree, Well,
Speaker 3: there's plenty of things which, like I really disagree when
Speaker 3: you said that partner thing, she was mad to clarify.
Speaker 1: What did you say about? Okay?
Speaker 3: For a few months ago, folks, I talked about how
Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious how people laugh as having a
Speaker 3: partner quote unquote, because potentially it comes across as if
Speaker 3: they could be queer?
Speaker 1: Is that use another word that's not lap?
Speaker 2: Okay? Live action role play?
Speaker 3: This really like this did ruffle some feathers, but in
Speaker 3: quite a lovely community. Esquay Like there was discussion in
Speaker 3: the comments as a video on my Instagram, but essentially
Speaker 3: saying and I've seen this since discuss more in meme format,
Speaker 3: so I know I'm not the only one about how
Speaker 3: certain people live action role play as like, oh are
Speaker 3: they like queer?
Speaker 2: Are they straight? By saying partner? And I was just
Speaker 2: saying I find it funny.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's not isolated.
Speaker 4: I mean, people use ambiguous language all the time to
Speaker 4: protect themselves from looking dumb, looking silly, or to position
Speaker 4: themselves closer to something else, so they want to be
Speaker 4: like but can't. Interesting. So when your friend was saying.
Speaker 4: They really disagreed with that. What was the point that
Speaker 4: they were making.
Speaker 3: Their point was they have a boyfriend, Sorry, they've got
Speaker 3: a partner. Okay, she had a few points. Number one,
Speaker 3: boyfriend feels very juvenile, which I understand, but I also
Speaker 3: like I person think girl, we use that every day,
Speaker 3: speak on it. The other thing, the point that she made,
Speaker 3: which I also saw on the comments, was that saying
Speaker 3: partner protects queer people because if we all say partner,
Speaker 3: then we don't know who.
Speaker 1: Is that why people say partner.
Speaker 4: Allegedly, you're telling me hand on heart, person who says partner,
Speaker 4: you do it because you're protecting the queer community.
Speaker 2: Ali, Ali, nickie, do you want to do you want
Speaker 2: to sign in? I'm sorry, do you want to?
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people also like saying
Speaker 4: that if they've been in a long term relationship for
Speaker 4: like ten years, that's why they're using partner.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I forgot that. Do you call justly your partner never?
Speaker 2: You're calling your boyfriend always?
Speaker 4: Jusie, Do you think it's because the icky bit about it,
Speaker 4: saying my boyfriend my girlfriend is not the title but
Speaker 4: the ownership of it all. Oh, because outside of being
Speaker 4: your boyfriend, they're just a person. You could say that name.
Speaker 4: I think that's why it comes across as a little
Speaker 4: bit ick, because if I was talking to if I
Speaker 4: was talking to Mickey and I was like, oh, just
Speaker 4: with my co host, her name.
Speaker 2: Is Frum, we can just say Rubes.
Speaker 4: And if you're in the context of talking to someone
Speaker 4: about something hanging out with.
Speaker 1: Amber on the weekend, who's Amber, you could say.
Speaker 2: A partner, my boyfriend.
Speaker 4: True, yeah, saying my partner a straight person. Saying my
Speaker 4: partner kind of reminds me of when you are six
Speaker 4: and you're holding a handbag.
Speaker 1: And says, oh, what's in your handbag? And you say, oh, nothing,
Speaker 1: because when you open it up, it's just tissues.
Speaker 4: Why all this song and dance, all this performance art
Speaker 4: to get away from just saying what it is?
Speaker 1: Thees is the bag?
Speaker 3: FLEXI, I reckon this is your best shot at doing
Speaker 3: nostalg recor because I completely.
Speaker 1: Forgot the stumping the tissues in the bag.
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