WEBVTT - Anna & Atis Paul Break the Internet 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie Torb and on today's show, we're covering the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>scandal to rock the Australian influencers space. On Wednesday night,

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<v Speaker 1>Anna and Addas Paul broke the internet when they finally

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<v Speaker 1>responded to Michayla Tester's podcast allegations, bringing some receipts of

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<v Speaker 1>their own cape. I was not expecting this at all.

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<v Speaker 1>On Wednesday night, we were all around for our family

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and absolutely glued to our phones. So many people

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<v Speaker 1>have complained that their sleep was impacted by this news.

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<v Speaker 1>The timing is very interesting. But before we go into

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<v Speaker 1>what they said, I think we should dive into some

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest allegations to come from Part two of

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<v Speaker 1>Michayla Tester's podcast series. So this episode was very dark

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<v Speaker 1>and it was tough to get through. In it, Mikayla

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that Addams Paul sexually assaulted her while she was

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<v Speaker 1>recovering from a BBL surgery. Adis has since come out

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<v Speaker 1>and denied this, saying it was logistically impossible, but mc

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<v Speaker 1>kayla stands by the allegation. The other bombshell to come

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<v Speaker 1>out of this episode were claims that Anna made derogatory

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<v Speaker 1>comments about high profile influences, in particular insulting comments made

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<v Speaker 1>about their eyes. This was just bizarre. She seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have some strange obsession, allegedly with people who have close

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<v Speaker 1>set eyes. I didn't even realize this was a theme. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it reminded me of that scene on Me and Girls

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<v Speaker 1>when Caatie Harring is watching the Plastics talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>the features that they don't like about themselves, and she's like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea that there could be so many

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<v Speaker 1>things that are wrong with you. And Michaela said that

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<v Speaker 1>she first became aware of Anna's apparent fixation with eyes

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<v Speaker 1>when Anna pointed out to Michayla that hers were apparently

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<v Speaker 1>too close together. Let's have a listen to what Michayla said.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that Anna told Atis about me

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<v Speaker 2>was that I'm ugly and then my eyes are too

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<v Speaker 2>close together. Okay. And obviously, when Attis finally told me

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<v Speaker 2>that she had said this about me, I knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was true. I knew it was true because when she

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<v Speaker 2>met my sisters, when I was there, so this was

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<v Speaker 2>like into the relationship. When I was already living in

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<v Speaker 2>the house with them, she had made like a really weird,

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<v Speaker 2>obscure comment to me and my siblings, like, oh, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can see that you guys are siblings and

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are related because you guys all have the

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<v Speaker 2>same eyes, like a little too close together, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>when she said that comment, I laughed it off. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, yeah, like it's cute whatever, Like it's cute,

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<v Speaker 2>like right, it's like dull eyes. Ah, so whatever, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>backhanded compliment or it wasn't even a compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a niche thing to say too.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this whole thing has just sparked a

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<v Speaker 1>new insecurity in women, something else to be worried about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not quite right about your appearance. Yeah, well. Mikayla

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<v Speaker 1>also claims that Anna made comments about Sofa dofer Erica Titus,

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<v Speaker 1>and Isabel Clark, all having apparently close set eyes, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as another one of Addis's former girlfriends. There seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be such a focus in the pool household about

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<v Speaker 1>this particular facial feature. It's so odd, and this led

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<v Speaker 1>to Mikayla feeling really insecure, she started to wear a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of eyeliner to try and make her eyes appear wider.

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<v Speaker 1>She also said she got philly in her eyelids and

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<v Speaker 1>looked into surgery in Turkey. Thankfully she didn't go through

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<v Speaker 1>with the surgery. The irony is, I've always thought Mikayla

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<v Speaker 1>Tester had really beautiful eyes, so this whole thing has

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely thrown me now. According to Michayla, Anna was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>hard on Sofa Dofa because she was threatened by her success.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some of what Mikayla had to say.

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<v Speaker 2>A Sofa Dover pop video pops up on actress's phone.

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<v Speaker 2>He turns it up real loud and it's her doing

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<v Speaker 2>a log.

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<v Speaker 1>She's talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna said some shit like I don't know why she's

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like trying to copy my content.

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<v Speaker 1>Da da da da da.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she said something about how she's so ugly

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<v Speaker 2>and her eyes are too close together, and she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>even want to watch videos of her talking and she's

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<v Speaker 2>so sick of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Asas was laughing, cracking up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what else he said. He was

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<v Speaker 2>just like just entertaining that fact she.

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<v Speaker 1>Painted such a picture of them just bumming around their

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<v Speaker 1>house in the middle of the day, lying on the couches,

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<v Speaker 1>just laying into every person on their TikTok. For you, Paige,

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<v Speaker 1>I also love that Michaela pointed out that they would

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the videos on loud, because there's nothing ruder

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<v Speaker 1>than when you're sitting with people and they've got their

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok on loud. Like you, every time we go to

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<v Speaker 1>record a podcast, you'll be like, oh, sorry, I just

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<v Speaker 1>need to go to the bathroom, and we'll hear your

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<v Speaker 1>phone on upsolutely room.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, there really was this picture painted that Anna was

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly jealous and threatened by other creators who were also

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<v Speaker 1>vlogging and doing similar things to her, and maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>was a way of bringing them down. Yeah. Well, despite

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<v Speaker 1>Anna apparently viewing Sofa Dopa as competition, Michayla became online

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<v Speaker 1>friends with her because she really liked her content. And

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<v Speaker 1>when Mikayla heard that Anna and Addis were speaking badly

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<v Speaker 1>of Sofa, it caused a big fight in the house.

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<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten about this, but Sofa Dofa and Addis

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a history. So in twenty twenty two, the

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<v Speaker 1>pair were spotted looking pretty cozy together at the Stacks event,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were papped walking around Luna Park alongsign

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<v Speaker 1>add her. I had totally forgotten about this too, so

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<v Speaker 1>much so that I actually had to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>listen to our past episode on her. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting because Adis and Michayla had only been broken

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<v Speaker 1>up for a little over a month, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>clear that this was some sort of tactic for Addis

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<v Speaker 1>Poul to gain even more attention around the breakup, and

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<v Speaker 1>by picking arguably the next big is TikToker, he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>so much attention and clout. TikTok went absolutely wild over

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<v Speaker 1>these photos, and it prompted Mikayla to warn Adis to

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<v Speaker 1>stay away from her friend. She also said that she

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<v Speaker 1>ended up messaging Sofa asking her what was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>before warning her that the Poles had been talking shit

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<v Speaker 1>about her behind her back. It appeared Sofa Dofer did

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<v Speaker 1>not listen to Mikayla's advice, because not long after she

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<v Speaker 1>was spotted facetiming Addis. So an eagle eyed fan noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that the pair were facetiming each other on a screenshot

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<v Speaker 1>that Addis shared to his Instagram story. Funnily enough, he

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<v Speaker 1>was asking his followers their advice on furniture, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this screenshot you could see the top of Sofa Dopha's head. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course someone pieced all together and they created this

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok about it, which went absolutely viral. It's got over

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<v Speaker 1>two million views, and jen Zetas began predicting that they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be the next big it couple of TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time when we covered this story, we speculated

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<v Speaker 1>whether this was all set up by Adas Paul in

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<v Speaker 1>a bid to get more attention. Because the super sleuth

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<v Speaker 1>who uploaded this video they had only just created their account,

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<v Speaker 1>they had shared no other videos before, so a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people saying, well, this is clearly atis. Why would

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<v Speaker 1>he just randomly share a screenshot with Sofa Dofa in it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was trying to get everyone excited and amped over

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<v Speaker 1>this supposed relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very.

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<v Speaker 1>Calculated and seemed like a big fuck you to Mikayla,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly because she was friendly with Sofa. Well, we now

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<v Speaker 1>know that Sofa messaged Mikayla explaining herself. She wrote, Hey, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you've seen the TikTok. But I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to thank you for warning me about Adas because

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<v Speaker 1>we had a FaceTime where he was showing me his furniture.

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<v Speaker 1>Then today I've woken up to so much on New

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<v Speaker 1>Necessary drama after a video he made with me on

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<v Speaker 1>FaceTime in the corner, even though you warned me. I

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<v Speaker 1>give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and it feels

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<v Speaker 1>shit when you do that and still get brought into drama.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing is stupid anyway, because we just met

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<v Speaker 1>and barely knew each other. Anyway, just wanted to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for warning me and hope you're okay. Next time

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the same state, let's hang out please.

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<v Speaker 5>I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sofa Dofer actually went to explain herself because she would

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<v Speaker 1>have known. She looked like a bit of a prick

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<v Speaker 1>when that video went viral of the facetiming and she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't heed mikayla Testers warning, But at least she cleared

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Yeah. I find it fascinating actually seeing what

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<v Speaker 1>went on behind the scenes, Like we're not usually privy

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<v Speaker 1>to this sort of information. Now, Sofa Dopa wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only influencer allegedly in the pol's firing line. This one

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<v Speaker 1>broke a lot of people's hearts. Mikayla claimed that Anna

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<v Speaker 1>and Adams would regularly make fun of TikTok at Jack Cooper,

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<v Speaker 1>who is an Anna Paul super fan. So for those

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<v Speaker 1>on across his content, Jack has over eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy thousand followers on TikTok. Here's a snippet of content

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<v Speaker 1>he would share about Anna pol.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually said to her, I feel like I'm meeting God.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually said that to her. I swear Anna Paul

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<v Speaker 3>could literally release shit in a bag and I would

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<v Speaker 3>buy it. Okay, So I just saw a video of

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<v Speaker 3>Anna Poul eating ice with avocado and condensed milk. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a Filipino dessert. But I mean, if Anna Paul's eating something,

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<v Speaker 3>that means obviously I've got to eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>His whole brand was being this Anna pole stand. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how he gained a lot of his followers. He now

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<v Speaker 1>does share other sorts of content, but that is what

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<v Speaker 1>he was known for a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Mikayla alleged that Anna and Adis would take the piss

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<v Speaker 1>out of Jack on social media, while she also claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that she heard Adis making homophobic, disgusting remarks about him,

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<v Speaker 1>which Anna would apparently laugh about. You could tell Mikayla

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<v Speaker 1>felt quite bad for mentioning this because Jack is just

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<v Speaker 1>like a little puppy dog. Well, it's a sweetheart, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like shooting Bambi. And it's been hard watching his

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<v Speaker 1>videos back because you can see he's really hurt. He

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<v Speaker 1>did respond in a very iconic way, though, so he

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<v Speaker 1>shared a video of him at the dentist with the

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<v Speaker 1>full gown on, with black glasses and a plate in

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth, with the caption I'm at the dentist, Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I miss? He also shared another TikTok of

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<v Speaker 1>him in his bathroom and he was throwing out all

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<v Speaker 1>of the Pauli's skin care that he'd bought, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had the caption. But little did he know the one

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<v Speaker 1>person he loved and supported through everything for years and

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<v Speaker 1>years actually hated him behind closed doors, Jack, then she

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<v Speaker 1>had a TikTok where he spoke directly to his followers,

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<v Speaker 1>just pointing out that he felt so embarrassed forever hyping

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<v Speaker 1>Anna poll up and making her part of his brand.

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<v Speaker 1>He also confirmed that he no longer supports her. And

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<v Speaker 1>they were never friends. He said they only met twice

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<v Speaker 1>at different Stacks events, and he said his experience of

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<v Speaker 1>meeting Anna in person only backed up Mikayla's claims. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a snippet of what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>Anna's interaction, Like, I know, it seemed like we were

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out, but like we literally spoke maybe like one minute.

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<v Speaker 3>And just to add to that, I know, like this

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<v Speaker 3>is gonna fucking like I sound crazy, like maybe like

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<v Speaker 3>low your mind a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, like I truly just like felt like okay,

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<v Speaker 5>like she fucking hates me, Like I gotta I'll just leave,

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<v Speaker 5>like whatever, cakeobye. Like you know, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 5>like that, Like I don't know if it was just

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<v Speaker 5>me and that insurrection or whatever, but like what Michayla's.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying now about how you know they spokeshit about me whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>It kind of makes sense as to mabe wife was

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<v Speaker 5>trying to avoid me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The Clark family also got a mention. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, Mikayla alleged that Anna was closed off to

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<v Speaker 1>other influences doing vlogs, particularly the Clerks. Again, it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>like she was quite threatened by their content. Mikayla claimed

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<v Speaker 1>Anna would always say fucked up things about the family

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<v Speaker 1>and how they were copying her. Cat Clark has responded

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<v Speaker 1>in the most iconic way.

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<v Speaker 7>Anna Paul has been talking badly about me and my family,

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<v Speaker 7>saying that we're copying her. So I thought I would

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<v Speaker 7>show you some differences. Mostly, I'm a mom, and I

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<v Speaker 7>need to be mindful about what I do for work

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<v Speaker 7>because my daughter and the younger generation that followed me

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<v Speaker 7>look up to me and will most likely want to

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<v Speaker 7>copy me, just like Dasa has already. Today, we're also

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<v Speaker 7>setting up the break room for our casual stuff. We're

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<v Speaker 7>hiring some more people because we're gonna be overseas for

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<v Speaker 7>most of the year, really, and we need some people.

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<v Speaker 1>To help us.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my god, you guys, I forgot about the food

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<v Speaker 7>in the fridge, and the fridge has been off all week.

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<v Speaker 7>But at least I haven't forgotten about all my animals.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually I only have one animal. Oh and this is

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<v Speaker 7>my husband. He sees me nude, not my brother.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 7>I broke a nail, but it wasn't because my husband

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<v Speaker 7>was slamming on the brakes to scare me. I've just

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<v Speaker 7>been working really hard, but soon that's going to end

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<v Speaker 7>because we leave for Japan and then straight after we're

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<v Speaker 7>going to go Cella. She doesn't have close set eyes.

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<v Speaker 7>She has one eye, thank god, so no one can

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<v Speaker 7>tease her about how close her eyes are. What the hell?

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<v Speaker 7>Who does people are mean about the weirdest thing. I

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<v Speaker 7>used to get teased about looking pregnant. So I've been

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<v Speaker 7>on this massive health care It's not intermittent fasting and

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<v Speaker 7>forcing everyone else around me to do it because they're

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<v Speaker 7>fat too. It's called eating healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that all the influences are getting creative with

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<v Speaker 1>their comeback videos. It's quite clear they've all been hurt

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<v Speaker 1>by these comments. Yeah, I think it's really hurt their

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<v Speaker 1>egos now. In terms of Mikhayla's allegation, she also provided

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<v Speaker 1>further information and receipts about allegations that have already been

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<v Speaker 1>leveled at the polls. So she went into more depth

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<v Speaker 1>about her claim that Anna neglects her animals and uses

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<v Speaker 1>them for content. We actually covered that in depth on

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<v Speaker 1>an episode a couple of weeks ago. Mikayla also confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>Rukas Salt was correct in saying that Hans Paul was homeless,

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<v Speaker 1>and she labeled him a victim of the family, and

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<v Speaker 1>Mikayla also spoke about Anna and Addis's half sister Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>She claimed that vill Dan, Anna and Addis's mother, made

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<v Speaker 1>it really difficult for Hans to see his daughter and

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<v Speaker 1>she was the reason Anna and Addis didn't know her.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how Mikayla made this point that she was

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<v Speaker 1>not going to call Vildan mama anymore. She's like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not my mama.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Vildne would be too pleased with these

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<v Speaker 1>videos that are coming out. Mikayla tester has not painted

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty picture of her now. Before Anna and Adas

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<v Speaker 1>put out their statements on Wednesday, it was quite interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because Mikayla actually shared a birthday message to their half

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<v Speaker 1>sisters Sarah, which it almost felt like that ignited the

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<v Speaker 1>situation more now. It took the polls more than two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks to respond, but Adis and Anna finally broke their

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<v Speaker 1>silence last Wednesday night. Adams was the first of the

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<v Speaker 1>siblings releasing a written statement on his Instagram feed, and

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<v Speaker 1>he came out absolutely swinging. So he accused Mikayla of

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<v Speaker 1>using their toxic relationship as a weapon to destroy Anna

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<v Speaker 1>and assume her life, he continued, saying, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start by saying Anna had no place in our relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and surely in twenty twenty five, we can agree that

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<v Speaker 1>my mistakes are mine just because Anna is the well

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<v Speaker 1>known one, that doesn't excuse blaming another woman for the

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<v Speaker 1>mistakes of her brother. The blame rests with me and Mick.

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<v Speaker 1>To blame my bad choices and actions on another woman

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<v Speaker 1>for clicks and views is disgusting. I found it interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that this was the message that the PR team told

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<v Speaker 1>him to run within the opening of his statement, because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is probably going to take the time to read

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<v Speaker 1>the first page, probably not the tenth slide. It's almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if they were throwing him out to the wolves

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<v Speaker 1>to save Anna's career. I mean, it makes sense in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the media love pinning women against each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what's happened in this case. It's just strange

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<v Speaker 1>that add Paul would want to insert himself into the

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<v Speaker 1>firing line. That part of the statement was really clever

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<v Speaker 1>because there has been this rhetorican line. Why are we

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<v Speaker 1>pointing just the blame at Anna when Adas has been

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<v Speaker 1>the one who's been accused of all these heinous things. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he is one hundred percent correct in saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>blame should rest with him, but I do think a

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<v Speaker 1>person who appears to have enabled his behavior also deserve

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<v Speaker 1>some of the blame. And when I read this first light,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Wow, he's actually taking accountability for his actions.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we continue, you'll see that this doesn't last

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<v Speaker 1>very long. Getting into more of his statement, he did

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that his relationship with Michaela was toxic, unhealthy and

0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.760
<v Speaker 1>destroyed both of their mental health. In terms of taking accountability,

0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.160
<v Speaker 1>he wrote, some of the stories she has told are true,

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<v Speaker 1>most are absurdly exaggerated, and some are so twisted I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in shock. He also admitted to being awful, but then said,

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<v Speaker 1>but even in my darkest moments, I wasn't the person

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<v Speaker 1>she has invented in her mission to become Australia's most

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<v Speaker 1>followed influencer. This was an interesting sentiment that Anna actually

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<v Speaker 1>code in her own statement, and it's clear that they

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<v Speaker 1>felt this was the smoking gun that Mikayla is doing

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<v Speaker 1>all of this because she's trying to become Anna and

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<v Speaker 1>become really popular. But what's crazy about that is that's

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<v Speaker 1>the same sort of shit they were trying to level

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<v Speaker 1>against Adis's ex girl. Yet it's just the same. Oh,

0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.480
<v Speaker 1>she just wants followers and that's why she's doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to be their big comeback. Yeah, everyone's jealous

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<v Speaker 1>of us and wants to be us. Now. In this statement,

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<v Speaker 1>Addas denied many of the accusations Michaela leveled at him.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote, I never had sex with Mikayla while she slept,

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<v Speaker 1>never ran at her with a knife or touched her

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<v Speaker 1>in anger, and there was never a time where I

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<v Speaker 1>cut my wrists and spread blood on a wall. He

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<v Speaker 1>went on to claim that it was logistically impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with Mikayla while she was asleep and recovering

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<v Speaker 1>from her BBL surgery.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He also denied that he financially abused Mikayla or stole

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<v Speaker 1>her cryptocurrency. He claimed he was an integral part of

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<v Speaker 1>her only fan success and alleged that the promotions he

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<v Speaker 1>ran tripled her monthly earnings. But he did confirm me

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<v Speaker 1>took a fifty percent cut of her earnings, but alleged

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<v Speaker 1>that he used some of his cut to pay for promotions,

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<v Speaker 1>and he ended up sharing a bunch of very confusing

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<v Speaker 1>screenshots as receipts to back up these claims about the

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<v Speaker 1>earnings and promotions. I tried zooming in on the receipts

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<v Speaker 1>about the promos, but they went all pixelated. They were

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to read. From what I could decipher, these

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<v Speaker 1>promotions weren't expensive at all. They ranged from around twenty

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to twelve hundred dollars. I wouldn't say it was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge chunk out of his fifty percent cut. By

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<v Speaker 1>sharing these receipts, ADAS ended up doxing Mikayla's iCloud email address,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that people could call and text her, which they

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<v Speaker 1>ended up doing. Yeah, and there's also a screen shot

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<v Speaker 1>which contained an image of Michayla nude from behind. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think he purposely left this stuff in? Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>surely if he did have a PR team telling him

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<v Speaker 1>or helping him with this response, they would have said,

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<v Speaker 1>scrub out her email address. Well, they probably gave advice,

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<v Speaker 1>but he ultimately pulled the trigger on his own response.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd come out and say that he assumed that Michayla

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't use that email addressing, or because it said

0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Michayla Paul using his last name in retaliation for revealing

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<v Speaker 1>her private contact details, Michayla released Adis's mobile number, and

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<v Speaker 1>Verrukas Sult then got in on the action, doxing Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's mobile number. Oh one, how quick they were to

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<v Speaker 1>change those now. After defending himself, Adis then leveled allegations

0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.280
<v Speaker 1>against Michayla. So rather than addressing why he lied about

0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.400
<v Speaker 1>sending his underage ex girlfriend a cease and desist letter,

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<v Speaker 1>he instead claimed that MICHAELA was the chief architect behind

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<v Speaker 1>the YouTube statement they released about it. He then accused

0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Michaela of impersonating different online personas to trick people into

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<v Speaker 1>giving her information. He claimed he had no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>she was up to, and as a receipt, referenced the

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<v Speaker 1>story that we shared on our podcast about how MICHAELA

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<v Speaker 1>had sent us a DM threatening to sue us back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one when we covered the story about

0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Addis and his ex Adas wrote, or recently when the

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<v Speaker 1>Outspoken podcast tackled about how she personally threatened to sue

0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.399
<v Speaker 1>them when they covered the topic something else we learned

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<v Speaker 1>after she had done it. Touched on this on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was shocked that the Outspoken podcasts got to

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<v Speaker 1>mention in this statement. To me, it shows how much

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<v Speaker 1>they must be scraping the barrel to even mention that

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't that big of a deal, particularly when

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent of the podcast was anti him and

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<v Speaker 1>just airing Mikayla's allegations. It's quite clear that both parties

0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.399
<v Speaker 1>have just been going through every single DM or message

0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>they've ever sent to each other to dissect something that

0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.360
<v Speaker 1>will make someone look bad. Oh, it's just a gotcha

0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.399
<v Speaker 1>situation that's going on now. I'm finding it really frustrating

0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.679
<v Speaker 1>because it is detracting away from the important messaging around

0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.680
<v Speaker 1>sexual assault that Michayla is trying to call out. And

0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I do think that is a part of the Pole's strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's putting the water. Let's put so much information out

0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>there that everyone is getting confused and it's becoming really petty,

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<v Speaker 1>and so people are like, I don't know who to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to turn off. Yeah, we're just rounding

0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.560
<v Speaker 1>off these allegations. Adas also accused Mikayla of sharing explicit

0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.200
<v Speaker 1>content of him on her OnlyFans account without his consent.

0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>He went on to say that after her continual pushing

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<v Speaker 1>he began filming content with her, and it's one of

0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:05.000
<v Speaker 1>his biggest regrets. I found that interesting that he said

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this was such a big regret of his when his

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<v Speaker 1>sister is one of the biggest onlyfan stars on the platform, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird for him to be like, Oh, I'm really

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 1>ashamed of this and regret doing I also find it

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting that she's also found the confidence and bravery to

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<v Speaker 1>come out and make these very serious allegations about him,

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:22.920
<v Speaker 1>but he's trying to turn it on her and say, oh, well,

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.199
<v Speaker 1>she did this to me. She didn't give me consent

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to be on her platform now. Adis also went on

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.720
<v Speaker 1>to accuse Mikayla of stalking and harassing him and his family.

0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:35.160
<v Speaker 1>He claimed that she turned on his location sharing settings

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<v Speaker 1>on his phone without his consent. He says, once he

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<v Speaker 1>turned it off, Michayla started posting on TikTok offering people

0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.400
<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand dollars to anyone who provided his whereabouts and

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>anyone that he was with. I do remember covering this

0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast at the time as well. To back

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<v Speaker 1>up his point, he shared a number of tiktoks that

0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Michayla had posted during their breakup where it did look

0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like she wanted him back and that she'd do anything

0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to have him by Those are really the signs of

0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.919
<v Speaker 1>a toxic relationship and on where there's a power in balance.

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:05.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Well, a general tact that abuses will use is to

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.400
<v Speaker 1>make people think that their victim is crazy. And Mikayla

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>has already previously spoken about how she really amped up

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 1>her being upset about the breakup on her TikTok for views,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't know how much of this behavior was

0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.199
<v Speaker 1>really put on. It also just demonstrates how much power

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>he still wielded over her, which really demonstrates an abusive relationship.

0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.040
<v Speaker 1>What did you guys think about his strategy of putting

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<v Speaker 1>out this statement. Well, if this was any other PR

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.360
<v Speaker 1>crisis management situation, I would agree that a written statement

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 1>was the best move forward for Adis. However, in this

0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.360
<v Speaker 1>TikTok age, I actually think it would have been better

0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 1>for Addis to read a statement to the camera, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>after Anna released her video statement and confirmed that they

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.879
<v Speaker 1>weren't taking legal action and instead taking it to the

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<v Speaker 1>court of TikTok because it was Attention spans are getting

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<v Speaker 1>shorter and shorter thanks to TikTok, so a lot of

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.640
<v Speaker 1>people couldn't be bothered to read through the twenty pages

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<v Speaker 1>of text. Mikayla also faced the same challenge where a

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of people couldn't be bothered to listen through the

0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.159
<v Speaker 1>two and a half hour podcast, but by filming the podcast,

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the most explosive bits can then be cut up and

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<v Speaker 1>shared on TikTok and get that reach. I disagree. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it would have been a nightmare to have him

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<v Speaker 1>on camera because he comes across as really smarmy, particularly

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.560
<v Speaker 1>off the back of those unedited videos we've seen where

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 1>he was joking about his format. Yeah, but they didn't

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 1>have PR help. Then I think if he actually stuck

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<v Speaker 1>to a script and was genuinely apologetic, I mean, the

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.159
<v Speaker 1>thing is, I don't actually agree with the whole statement

0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that was put out. I liked the first bit where

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.560
<v Speaker 1>he started to take accountability and said I should be

0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.320
<v Speaker 1>the one that was blamed. I think that he went

0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.960
<v Speaker 1>off track when he started showing his own receipts, and

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.800
<v Speaker 1>that's where it got messy. I agree that with Adis,

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 1>a written statement was probably the best way forward, but

0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.199
<v Speaker 1>it was just too many slides, too much information. It

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 1>needed to be short and concise. They were obviously then

0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.160
<v Speaker 1>relying on Anna to come out with the video, as

0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>you said, to provide those TikTok moments for people to share,

0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.120
<v Speaker 1>because she is much more like than Addis. Paul Adas

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.040
<v Speaker 1>getting on camera not necessarily going to help the past. Also,

0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>do you think that a lot of people don't want

0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to see this alleged abuser be platformed in this way.

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>We don't want to see his face, we don't want

0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:14.879
<v Speaker 1>to hear him speaking. People want him to disappear. It

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>also seems like in the last couple of years he

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 1>very much has stood back from wanting to be in

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 1>the limelight, So putting out a written response kind of

0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:23.960
<v Speaker 1>goes with what he's been doing the last couple of years.

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I just think Addis's statement should have been a lot shorter.

0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 1>It should have taken accountability, apologize, and not shown all

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>these receipts that Mikhayla is actually in the wrong. Shortly

0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.880
<v Speaker 1>after Addis's statement, Anna uploaded a twenty six minute response

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.640
<v Speaker 1>video which was entitled enough is Enough. It was interesting

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:43.679
<v Speaker 1>to see how she was dressed in this video because

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>there was a clear strategy to paint her in a

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:50.040
<v Speaker 1>more conservative light. She was wearing this white matching knit set.

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 1>It became more evident that this was a tactic when

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>we got deeper into the video, because she started downplaying

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the content that she shares on OnlyFans while seeming to

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Shae mca Taylor for her content, pointing out that Mikhayla

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>has recently shot videos of her and her fiance having sex.

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Even as she said sexual intercourse, it was like she

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 1>was trying to be kid friendly. Yeah, like playing into

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:14.919
<v Speaker 1>this character that she puts out on TikTok. I mean,

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have commented that her voice is different.

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 1>She puts on a child voice, and it looked like

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the video was shot in an apartment overseas. There were

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>reports at the time that fans spotted her at the

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 1>airport with her mama, supposedly fleeing the country, which is

0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.080
<v Speaker 1>quite funny because Anna is literally always traveling over the weekend.

0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 1>She confirmed she's spending time in London. A couple of

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago she was in the US, so this doesn't

0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>really seem to be different to her normal behavior now.

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>She began this video by addressing her role in the

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>leaked YouTube video about Addis's underage ex girlfriend who, for

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the sake of her privacy, we are going to be

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>calling Jane to refresh your memory. In that leaked video,

0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Anna denied that the Polls sent Jane a fake legal

0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:59.560
<v Speaker 1>letter and blamed their non existent manager for sending it.

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>In the snippet, she also kept referring to Jane as

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a little girl, which was really patronizing, and she admitted

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>to driving over to her house to confront and intimidate

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>her when she was only fourteen years old. Now, Anna

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.959
<v Speaker 1>said that she made a huge mistake by appearing in

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>this video and said that she had no right to

0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>speak about a relationship she wasn't in, as only the

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:24.400
<v Speaker 1>people in that relationship truly know what went on. And

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 1>it's for this reason that she said that she wasn't

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 1>going to be addressing Adis and Michaela's relationship in her

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>video and would only be talking about herself, which I

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>think was a bit of a cop out. It is

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a complete cop out, and it's really disappointing that Anna

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 1>is not addressing these very serious claims about domestic violence

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and sexual assault. Yes, it is not her place to

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>defend her brother, but she needs to actually address the

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>allegations if she's going to put out a video talking

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>about this issue, I agree that it's disappointing, But can

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you imagine the PR team when they'd worked out that excuse,

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 1>we've got it. Well, I just think it's very convenient,

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>isn't it, Because these allegations other driving force behind why

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Mikayla is speaking out, and I think not touching on

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 1>these allegations provides no context at all. Yeah, I mean

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty obvious that again, their strategy is, let's throw

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.560
<v Speaker 1>out a bunch more frivolous allegations that it's going to

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>be a little bit titillating for TikTok to hear about.

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>But people are going to forget about those sexual abuse allegations.

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>The thing is so many people brought into it, Like

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I saw so many tiktoks saying, oh, I'm now team Anna,

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, do we see the same video? Well,

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that's also a cop out, because if anyone

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>knew what this relationship was really like, it was Anna Paula.

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they live together, they travel together, they seem

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to apparently film OnlyFans content together. She would know more

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.840
<v Speaker 1>about their dynamic as a couple. Than anyone else, making

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 1>her an acceptable person to comment on it. And I

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.920
<v Speaker 1>think Abby Chatfield really hit the nail on the head

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>when she said that the real reason Anna shouldn't have

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>been in that video about Jane is because she was

0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>literally discrediting a victim, not because she was talking on

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>behalf of someone else's relationship. Yeah. So she's happy to

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>get involved in intimidating an underage victim, but she doesn't

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>want to now get involved when there's serious allegations leveled

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 1>against her brother. Yeah now she they're went on to

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 1>confirm that she hasn't taken any legal action against Michayla,

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 1>saying when a woman has a story to tell, she

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 1>should be able to come online and freely tell that story. Now.

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>She said, the reason they haven't lodged a defamation case

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>against Mikayla is because of the cost and the length

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of time that it takes for an outcome. She said,

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>if they went down that route, they wouldn't be able

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to respond publicly for years, So they wouldn't be able

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>to come on TikTok and show their side of things,

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>which is clearly very important to them. I find it

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.479
<v Speaker 1>absolutely fascinating that the polls would rather this play out

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>in the court of TikTok rather than the Australian legal system.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Anna cited the costs of the Lisa Wilkinson

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>and Rebel Wilson defamation cases that were heard recently. And

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>I actually think they're taking inspiration from the Johnny Depp

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and her defamation trial while there was an actual trial

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>in the US because of the way their legal system is,

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and that you can actually watch the court case on TV.

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>People were clipping up bits of the court case and

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Amber heard was completely demonized, even though she was making

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.400
<v Speaker 1>serious accusations against Johnny Depp. And I think they've gone, oh, well,

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to pay all this money for lawyers.

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's just air our own court of TikTok and we'll

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 1>put out all of these defenses and then she can

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>come back at us, and we'll come back at her

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and we don't have to follow any legal rules.

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>I think the reality is there really are no winners

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>in these defamation cases. One people lose out so much

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in legal fees, and two there's so much dirt which

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>gets spoken in court that is so damaging. And the

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>polls have gone, look, we don't want to wait years.

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>We don't want this to continue on because this is

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be so damaging to our brand. By the

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>time this gets heard in a court, everyone's going to

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>be over it. The damage is going to be done

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>for both of them, So both parties, it's actually better

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>that this does play out on TikTok. Yeah, when it

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>comes to defamation, you actually have to prove how much

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>of your livelihood has been impacted. I mean, I am

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>assuming that Anna Paul skincare brand Paulie has taken a

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>massive financial hit. But maybe Adas Paul can't prove he's

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>been financially impacted by these allegations. And there's also the

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>truth defense at the end of the day as well.

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they can't defend a lot of these claims.

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Anna went on to address the long list of supposed

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>lies that Michayla aired on her podcast. So Ada denied

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>that Adas took her OnlyFans content, and she attempted to

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 1>laugh this off by saying how gross it was and

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that Mikayla was merely playing into the long standing online rumors.

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>This is quite funny because she tried to disprove this

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>allegation by sharing a screenshot from their group chat, which

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>interestingly was called rich and Famous, which shows how they

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>view themselves. Wasn't there another group chat going around called

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>millionaires and Billionaires? But I was embarrassed for them very

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>cringe now. In this screenshot, the two women were discussing

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Jane's identical claims that Adas takes Anna's only fans content,

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and Anna wrote she said Adas takes my only fance picks.

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>What ha ha ha, She's a nutcase, to which Mikayla responded, yuck,

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck, fucking weird bitch. I want to kill

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>her now. What Anna didn't realize though, is by sharing

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.479
<v Speaker 1>this screenshot, she actually confirmed that Adis has taken her

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>OnlyFans content in the past, because if you read the

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>full conversation, Anna continued, saying, I didn't even have only

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>fans when they were together. The only only fans thing

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Addis has ever taken of me was in Bali, of

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 1>both of us, but that was two years ago and

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>we never said who recorded that. She's confirmed there that

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>he did take vision of the two of them in

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>bar and wasn't that exactly what Mikayla has well. Anna

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>also denied that she keeps buying new dogs, so she

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>went through a timeline of the dogs that she owned

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>throughout her childhood. She did conveniently leave out the fact

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>that Addis had bought a puppy for her called Prince,

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>who Glenn now takes care of. She also denied abusing

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 1>her birds, so she confirmed that she had never clipped

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>their wings, but she did admit that she was forced

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to rehome three of the four birds as they would

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 1>attack one another. It's quite awkward because Anna gave her

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>dad the job of finding buyers for these birds, and

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>she shed these screenshots showing him wheeling and dealing, and

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>in the text message exchange, you can see that substantial

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>money was being negotiated for the birds. There was upwards

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 1>of one thousand dollars being paid, and Anna was trying

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>to prove that she really cared about finding them a

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>good home, but it seemed like they were after a

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>good price for the birds. Yeah, because when she said

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.959
<v Speaker 1>she rehomed them, I thought, oh, maybe she sent them

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 1>off to a wildlife sanctuary to have a better life

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>because she could no longer take care of them. But

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>it just seemed like they were trying to get money

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>out of the situation. To be fair, I thought the

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.719
<v Speaker 1>same thing, Kate. But then I realized, sometimes when you

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>are selling a pet, it is better to put a

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>figure down because some people will just take anything for free,

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>or abuse it or feed it or whatever. Well, Anna

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>said that Michaela's allegations about her pets was just one

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>huge projection, and then she dropped this bomb that Mikayla

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>had apparently re homed her cat, Mikel. Here's what she said.

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 6>I think that this whole thing, this whole animal thing,

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 6>is just one huge projection from Michayla because the second

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 6>her cat was a minor inconvenience to her, she had

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 6>her assistant drive her cap to the closest shelter and

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 6>dump him. Where is your cat, Mikchayla, Where was he

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 6>rehome to? You don't know because you don't care.

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>It's terrible because when that photo popped up of Michayla's cat,

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help but laugh because I just thought, this

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>drama has just gotten so low, like everyone, you returned

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>your cat. Well, because she shared a Facebook photo of

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>Mikel looking kind of sad at this adoption place like

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a photo saying can you adopt Mikkel,

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>currently residing at pet Barne Arndale Now. Michayla has since

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 1>responded to these claims, saying that Anna is trying to deflect,

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and she confirmed she had no choice but to rehome

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Michel as he was better suited to a one cat

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>household because kept attacking her other cats.

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Anna also touched on the controversy that erupted last year

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>when Veruka Sult claimed that her dad, Hans Paul, was homeless.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>So Anna confirmed that her dad does live in a van,

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>but claims he's not homeless. She showed a screenshot of

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>his van life Instagram account and said that his family

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>used to drive around Europe in a van and he

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>loves it. She then provided a screenshot she said took

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>place before the homeless rumors started, telling her dad if

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>he needs money, any amount at any time, she'll send it.

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>She then showed other screenshots of her sending her dad

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>almost sixty thousand dollars and reiterated that she funds all

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>of his overseas trips. I found Anna's robutto quite amusing

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>because she's like, he's not homeless, he lives in a van.

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>What she needed to say was he is homeless by

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>choice because he really enjoys his bath. And it didn't

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>help when Anna provided the receipts to say that she'd

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 1>sent her dad almost sixty thousand dollars. It's like, well,

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>then why does he need these handouts if he is

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>self sufficient and doesn't need money. Ruker made a good

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>point because it seems as though, yes, he is living

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>in this fan but Anna has made it sound as

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>though he's off exploring different parts of Australia. But from

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 1>all reports, he is just staying in the Pool's area. Yeah,

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>there's been so many recent sightings of him on TikTok

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>because Anna has spoken about him living in a van.

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Now everybody is posting ons is he a dad? It

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>down at the shop. It's also because Michayla has basically

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>said where he hangs out at this particular bar and

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:28.800
<v Speaker 1>his name the bar.

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Anna went on to deny fat, shaming her ex boyfriend

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Glenn and his family. She said that Michayla is attempting

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>to take away everything she stands for and wants to

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>destroy her reputation as a body positive influencer. She said

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't use the word fat in a derogatory way,

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>and explained that she and Glenn had been worried about

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>his father's health for quite some time. Anna also addressed

0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the close set eyes controversy. She denied making comments about

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Sofa Dofer and Erica Tider, saying Michayla was projecting her

0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>own insecurities about her eyes. He's part of what she said.

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 6>Michayla was the most insecure person that I have ever

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 6>met in my life, and I was always there to

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 6>support her and make her feel beautiful and make her

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 6>feel good. And now she has come out and said

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 6>that apparently I have said that everybody's eyes are too

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 6>close together, like there with a tape measure, like, oh,

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.280
<v Speaker 6>your eyes are too close together, Like I'm the crazy

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 6>supermodel with the most like it is crazy to me.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 6>And the thing is that Michayla's eyes were often a

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 6>topic of discussion for us, and she needed constant reassurance

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 6>that she was beautiful and that her eyes were beautiful.

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 6>And this whole thing is so crazy to me.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Anna then alleged that Michayla had twisted the story, saying

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that she was jealous because atis like the two girls

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 1>in question. She then followed up with what she called

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>an actual receipt showing a conversation with who she referred

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>to as the real Michayla. For some context, this conversation

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was about a photo of influencer Isabelle. Let's throw to

0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>what she.

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.960
<v Speaker 6>Said, without the eyeliner, her eyes are so fucking small

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 6>on her face, it does not work. Now she needed

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 6>constant reassurance for her own beauty, which I always gave her.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 6>And she said, do I look like her without eyeliner?

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.760
<v Speaker 6>And I rea showed her A said no, not even closed.

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 6>She said, because whenever I see her without eyeliner, I'm like,

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 6>holy fucking shit, please put some eyeliner on. Then I

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 6>reassured her again, and she says, and you know how

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 6>addicted I am into eyeliner.

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Thank frick.

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do know. It was a constant topic of conversation.

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 6>But again I tried to kindly reassure.

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 4>Her, and I said, don't even worry.

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 6>You basically look the same without eyeliner, so never feel

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 6>insecure about it. And she's like, thank you so much,

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 6>I love you. That was a normal conversation for us.

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 6>Yet now apparently I'm out here calling all these influences

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:47.399
<v Speaker 6>saying they.

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>All have ugly eyes. Now. Mikayla has since responded, saying

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that her comments have been taken out of context by Anna.

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>She again showed the full conversation, revealing Anna was the

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>one who initially sent the screenshot of Isabelle Clark and

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:04.479
<v Speaker 1>wrote fuck you. She's suggesting she looks like Bella had died.

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Adis wrote fuck that screenshot for fuck's sake, Fuck's sake, man.

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Mikayla wrote back, I feel bad. I guess she's making

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>do with what she's got. Can't hate on her for that.

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Anna then said she probably took shit about us too,

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.160
<v Speaker 1>and said her eyes cut off halfway through. That's what

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Michayla made her response about the eyeliner and made a typo.

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>She claimed she was speaking about herself and not Isabelle now.

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 1>As for Jack Cooper, Anna said he was one of

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>her favorite influences and she loves him dearly. She also

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>alleged that Michayla was making these claims to take everything

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>away from her that makes her her, and she tried

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>to prove the level of friendship that she and Jack

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>had by showing how many dms that they'd sent back

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>and forward over the years. She did blur out his

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>dms for privacy, though, However, she did admit to one

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 1>instance where she spoke badly of him, saying.

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 6>This, before I met him, I didn't know his personality.

0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know his sense of humor. I knew nothing

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 6>about him. And if you know Jack Cooper, you know

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 6>his humor is very specific. It's a very special type

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 6>of human It's very different. And at the time I

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 6>didn't know that. So the one time I said something

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 6>bad about him before I knew him, before I met him,

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 6>this was a very long time ago. He commented something

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.239
<v Speaker 6>really really crazy on my Instagram photo, and I sent

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 6>him the group chat and said that he's a cloud

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 6>chaser because I thought he was trying to get attention. Now.

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Jack has since responded, saying if the twenty twenty one

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.880
<v Speaker 1>version of him at knew Anna had called him a

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>cloud chaser behind his back, he would have literally been

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>bed riddle. He was also at a loss as to

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>what he posted to elicit the response from her, and

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>he said that the blurred out dms were misleading and

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 1>made it look like they constantly spoken were friends, but

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>in reality, the majority of the messages were just responses

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.720
<v Speaker 1>to Stories Now, there were so many allegations for Anna

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>to address that she did a rapid fire segment, so

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>she denied talking shit about Michayla in German, claiming she

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and Addis don't know how to write in German. She

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>also denied their house got demolished because it smelt of animal,

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and she touched on Michayla's claims that she ran an

0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 1>illegal lottery, saying a quick Google search confirmed it was legal.

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>In this response video, it was really clear that Anna

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>was trying to assassinate Michayla's character. I mean, I get

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.839
<v Speaker 1>that Michayla is essentially doing the same thing to her

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>in her podcast series, but it feels really wrong to

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>see someone doing this too a victim, particularly when your

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>brother is the accused perpetrator. Anna claims she wanted to

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 1>show people how she actually treated Mikayla during their friendship,

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and did so by sharing screenshots discussing Michayla's alleged schizophrenia.

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>The screenshots showed Anna writing does your schizophrenia affect your

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>everyday life significantly? Because if yes, I wonder if maybe

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you should get some extra professional help. She then played

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>a voice note urging Michayla to get help and saying

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>don't worry, they're not going to force pills down your throat.

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 1>For me, the purpose of this wasn't to prove how

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>caring she was to Michayla. It was literally to remind

0:38:57.480 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>her followers that Michayla has mental health issues, which she

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>has spoken about in depth herself, and to try and

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>discredit Michayla's version of events, which I found so disgusting.

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised there hasn't been more about this online because

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I think this was the lowest part of Anna's clap

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>back video because she really was shaming her and it

0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, as you said this, excuse well,

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>cow lovely, I am no, You're actually trying to put

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>her on blasts and say she has schizophrenia. This actually

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>backed up a lot of Michaela's claims in her podcast

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>about how Anna would gaslight her and say that she

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>was just trying to do something nice, but it was

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.840
<v Speaker 1>actually this backhanded thing to Michayla. Yeah, and Anna finished

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this video by summing up all the reasons people shouldn't

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.359
<v Speaker 1>trust Michayla. It almost felt like she was in this

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>election campaign video and pointing out all the facts. Despite

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>starting the video by essentially saying it wasn't her place

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to defend her brother's actions, she tried to paint Michaela

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 1>as a hypocrite, saying that she dated rapper kid Larroy

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>when he was underage. She also made some very serious allegations,

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>saying that Michayla sent nudes to fourteen year old boys

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>in a group chat when she was nineteen, and she

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>then went on to strangely downplay her own OnlyFans content,

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that she's never shared a photo of her bad

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>chest on there, whilst Mikayla shares videos of her having

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 1>sex with her fiance. It was very odd. Yeah, I

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 1>found this part very uncomfortable and quite troubling, considering that

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Mikayla has come out and said that she's a victim

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 1>of domestic violence and sexual assault. But then Anna tries

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to turn the script and say that Mikayla is actually

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>a perpetrator of this type of behavior. Now, Mikayla confirmed

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that when she first met kid LaRoy, he told her

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 1>he was older and was attending an eighteen plus venue

0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>with his older group of friends. She said that she

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a relationship with him until a year and

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>a half after they met, when he was at consenting age.

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>She also said the screenshots of the supposed chat Anna

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>shared was taken out of context. She said that the

0:40:52.600 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 1>photo Anna blurred out was not a nude and was

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 1>actually a photo of her in Addis's T shirt. She

0:40:58.480 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>said it was a group chat with a bunch of

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>her friends and two boys who said they were over eighteen. Now,

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to end the video, Anna left viewers with a final receipt.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's what she said.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 6>So I'm going to leave you with one final receipt.

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 6>This receipt is the real Mikayla. This is how she

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 6>is behind closed doors. This isn't the Mikayla that's manipulating

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 6>the internet. This is a Mikayla that you don't know.

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 6>This is the real reason that she started all of this.

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 4>My goal is to make sure she doesn't fucking post

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:34.959
<v Speaker 4>a thing, because remember how I told you she would

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 4>always copy me. She would always steal my stories, steal

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 4>my personality, everything, the car I did, all of that

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 4>she stole from me. I'm supposed to be the one

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 4>with seven million followers. I'm going to be vlogging after

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 4>this and everyone's going to need someone to watch because

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 4>everyone's addicted to watching her that they're going to watch

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 4>me And I'm going to live that life that I

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:55.719
<v Speaker 4>should have had.

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And this doesn't come from jealousy.

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.720
<v Speaker 2>This just comes from a siphoning energy bitch.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I think Anna thought that she had a real checkmate

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>there with this receipt. But if anything, I think it

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.439
<v Speaker 1>actually made people like Michayla more because it's never been

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 1>a secret that she's been trying to bring Anna Poul down. Yeah,

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was the whole point of this podcast

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>that she said, I'm not the perfect victim. Anna Poul

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>should not be platformed the way she is. She has

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>actually stolen my upbringing story. And essentially it's not a

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.760
<v Speaker 1>surprise that MICHAELA would say behind the scenes, I deserve

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>that following her because she's taken my life story and

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 1>presented it as her own. I saw so many people

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok saying that that audio grab was worthy of

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 1>being in a movie trailer. I loved it, like it

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>actually just made me like her more. And what I

0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.719
<v Speaker 1>also really liked is that Mikayla was able to jump

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 1>on her TikTok instantly after Anna uploaded her response video.

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we saw Anna take two weeks to come

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>up with a reply. But Mikayla was right on it,

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and she said that the difference between her and Anna

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Paul is that she doesn't get on TikTok and preach

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that she's perfect. Throw to some of what she.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Said, Anna Paul is doing to me exactly what she

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 2>did to his ex girlfriend, trying to paint them as

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>some sort of crazy liar. The voice message at the

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.279
<v Speaker 2>end of Anna Paul's video is facts. I'll post that

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>to my own account. I'll say that with my full chest.

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 2>You stole everything about me, all of my ideas, everything,

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>You stole it all, even the goddamn story about your upbringing,

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:22.439
<v Speaker 2>the homeless shelters, eating food.

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Babes ha ha ha is all I have to fucking

0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 1>say about that. She continued, saying, of course, she doesn't

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.680
<v Speaker 1>want to see her post again or plaster her brother

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>up as though he's this nice guy. I was shocked, though,

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people were buying into Anna Paul's commentary.

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 1>There were people saying, oh Anna's come with the real receipts,

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think we all owe Anna an apology. Surely

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>these people are die hard fans, because you can't sit

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and watch all of Mikayla's allegations and then all of

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the other people that have come out of the woodwork Arrukas, Salt,

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Anna's own half sister, Addis's two ex girlfriends, Now and

0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>go on. I think there were people who wanted to

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>believe Anna, people who have followed her for such a

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>long time, and they thought, oh, maybe some of these

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 1>things have been blown out of proportion, particularly because she

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 1>left out all of the terrible accusations level to add us.

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that that really made it seem like this

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>trivial thing when you don't include allegations about sexual assault

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and domestic violence. But I think as soon as Mikayla

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and Ruker hit back that night refuting the claims, the

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>tide really swung back in Mikayla's direction. It's quite interesting

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>to look at the stats because on the day that

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Anna released her response video, she did actually gain one

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand followers, but the next day she lost a

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>further one hundred thousand. Over the past thirty days, she

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>has lost five hundred thousand followers, So it'll be interesting

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 1>to see what happens over the next couple of months

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and how she chooses to post going forward. It's really

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 1>disturbing because all over TikTok, I'm seeing people being asked

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to take aside. So there's businesses who were putting out

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 1>jars saying vote if your team Mikayla or team Anna,

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and and it's really trivializing what has actually gone on.

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think that with Anna choosing to go tit

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>for tat on a lot of petty issues and refusing

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge the allegations about her brother, all it's doing

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 1>is pitting these two women against each other and turning

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>this into a stereotypical cat fight, when in reality, Mikayla

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and a number of Addis's former partners are raising the

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 1>alarm about this man's behavior. And on that topic, On Wednesday,

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 1>just before six pm Australian time, and before Anna and

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Adas put their statements out, the Telegraph ran with the

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.920
<v Speaker 1>exclusive story that Adis Paul was sentenced for statutory rape.

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>The publication reported that, according to court documents, Adas pled

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.960
<v Speaker 1>guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge of a girl

0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>aged twelve to sixteen, which relate to a series of

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>incidents between December twenty seventeen and October twenty eighteen. Adis

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>was aged between sixteen and seventeen at the time of

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 1>the offending. MICHAELA was not the complainant in the case. Now,

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>carnal knowledge refers to engaging in sexual intercourse with a

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 1>person under the age of consent. In Queensland, the age

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of consent is sixteen and cannot be given by individuals

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>under age as they are deemed incapable of making informed

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>decisions about such matters. Now, despite being under eighteen at

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the time of the offense, Adis was dealt with as

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.920
<v Speaker 1>an adult because the criminal proceedings commenced in twenty twenty two,

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 1>when he was twenty one. He was sentenced at Southport

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>District Court in twenty twenty three, and despite pleading guilty,

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 1>no convictions were recorded. Instead, Adas was issued a one

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 1>thy five hundred recognisance, given a twelve month good behavior

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>bond and ordered to pay five hundred dollars in compensation.

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What I find really interesting about this news is the

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>fact that there have been so many people online, including Mikayla,

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:49.239
<v Speaker 1>saying he is a convicted rapist. But what this has

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>pointed out is he actually wasn't convicted, And I've seen

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people on TikTok, even Abby Chatfield running

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>with it saying, oh, he's a convicted this and that

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 1>people need to be really careful because this is where

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 1>you can find yourself in trouble. Yeah. I mean, even

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>though the Pauls have said that they aren't going to

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>be following this up legally, I do think people need

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to be very careful moving forward the language that they use. Yes,

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 1>he did plead guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and he was sentenced for statutory rate, but there wasn't

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a conviction actually recorded, presumably because he was under the

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 1>age of eighteen at the time. Away from the language,

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this article has been extremely damaging for the Paul family.

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 1>We've seen a lot of media run with these allegations. Now,

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously it was the Telegraph that picked up on this first.

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.680
<v Speaker 1>They did a great job of sourcing these court documents

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 1>and breaking this story. I mean, we were calling out

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 1>for media, please ye find these documents. I mean, we

0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 1>had viewed them ourselves, but there are legalities around reporting

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 1>on these type of documents. You have to be very

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>careful with what you say. It would be a huge

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>relief for Mikayla and also the other alleged victims to

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>actually have this in print and to feel like there

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>is a publication who's taking it seriously and it's done

0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the due diligence to actually look into it. Over the weekend,

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>it was interesting because a member of the public actually

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 1>captured footage of Attis in the wild. So in the

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>phone vision he appeared to be standing at an alternative

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 1>medicine counter at surface Paradise with what people are thinking

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>is his new girlfriend. So Hostin is not traveling with

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Anna because Anna's in London at the moment. Well, I

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>don't think she'd want to be seen with him. The

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>girl in the vision did look very young, and people

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.439
<v Speaker 1>who went to school with the girl have written into

0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>these gossip forums saying that she's around twenty years of

0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>age now. Mikayla re shared the video and wrote, this

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>man is known to prey on women on dating apps,

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>uses his sister's fame to impress them and makes them

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>sign NDAs. She also made some other claims that for

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>legal reasons we will not go into, but it was

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>very interesting to see this footage pop up over the weekend.

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>It didn't paint him in a great light. Now, I

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 1>was actually really relieved on Saturday when Mikayla announced that

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 1>she would be postponing the release of episode three of

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>her podcast. She said that things need to be moved

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>around and added she also put a call out on

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>her Instagram story for anyone that can interpret German and

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:10.200
<v Speaker 1>she also said that she'd been getting requests to platform

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>other victims of the Paul family. So I think episode

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 1>three may potentially be five hours long. It seems like

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>it's even more so gay mod now that Addison Ander

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>have said that they won't be taking legal action over this.

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like they're waving a red flag to a ball. Well,

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:27.479
<v Speaker 1>that is where we're going to leave things today. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you

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