Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torb and on today's show, we're covering the biggest
Speaker 1: scandal to rock the Australian influencers space. On Wednesday night,
Speaker 1: Anna and Addas Paul broke the internet when they finally
Speaker 1: responded to Michayla Tester's podcast allegations, bringing some receipts of
Speaker 1: their own cape. I was not expecting this at all.
Speaker 1: On Wednesday night, we were all around for our family
Speaker 1: dinner and absolutely glued to our phones. So many people
Speaker 1: have complained that their sleep was impacted by this news.
Speaker 1: The timing is very interesting. But before we go into
Speaker 1: what they said, I think we should dive into some
Speaker 1: of the biggest allegations to come from Part two of
Speaker 1: Michayla Tester's podcast series. So this episode was very dark
Speaker 1: and it was tough to get through. In it, Mikayla
Speaker 1: alleged that Addams Paul sexually assaulted her while she was
Speaker 1: recovering from a BBL surgery. Adis has since come out
Speaker 1: and denied this, saying it was logistically impossible, but mc
Speaker 1: kayla stands by the allegation. The other bombshell to come
Speaker 1: out of this episode were claims that Anna made derogatory
Speaker 1: comments about high profile influences, in particular insulting comments made
Speaker 1: about their eyes. This was just bizarre. She seems to
Speaker 1: have some strange obsession, allegedly with people who have close
Speaker 1: set eyes. I didn't even realize this was a theme. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it reminded me of that scene on Me and Girls
Speaker 1: when Caatie Harring is watching the Plastics talk about all
Speaker 1: the features that they don't like about themselves, and she's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I had no idea that there could be so many
Speaker 1: things that are wrong with you. And Michaela said that
Speaker 1: she first became aware of Anna's apparent fixation with eyes
Speaker 1: when Anna pointed out to Michayla that hers were apparently
Speaker 1: too close together. Let's have a listen to what Michayla said.
Speaker 2: One of the things that Anna told Atis about me
Speaker 2: was that I'm ugly and then my eyes are too
Speaker 2: close together. Okay. And obviously, when Attis finally told me
Speaker 2: that she had said this about me, I knew it
Speaker 2: was true. I knew it was true because when she
Speaker 2: met my sisters, when I was there, so this was
Speaker 2: like into the relationship. When I was already living in
Speaker 2: the house with them, she had made like a really weird,
Speaker 2: obscure comment to me and my siblings, like, oh, like yeah,
Speaker 2: like I can see that you guys are siblings and
Speaker 2: you guys are related because you guys all have the
Speaker 2: same eyes, like a little too close together, right, And
Speaker 2: when she said that comment, I laughed it off. I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, yeah, like it's cute whatever, Like it's cute,
Speaker 2: like right, it's like dull eyes. Ah, so whatever, obviously
Speaker 2: backhanded compliment or it wasn't even a compliment.
Speaker 1: I don't think obviously.
Speaker 2: It's such a niche thing to say too.
Speaker 1: I feel like this whole thing has just sparked a
Speaker 1: new insecurity in women, something else to be worried about.
Speaker 1: It's not quite right about your appearance. Yeah, well. Mikayla
Speaker 1: also claims that Anna made comments about Sofa dofer Erica Titus,
Speaker 1: and Isabel Clark, all having apparently close set eyes, as
Speaker 1: well as another one of Addis's former girlfriends. There seemed
Speaker 1: to be such a focus in the pool household about
Speaker 1: this particular facial feature. It's so odd, and this led
Speaker 1: to Mikayla feeling really insecure, she started to wear a
Speaker 1: lot of eyeliner to try and make her eyes appear wider.
Speaker 1: She also said she got philly in her eyelids and
Speaker 1: looked into surgery in Turkey. Thankfully she didn't go through
Speaker 1: with the surgery. The irony is, I've always thought Mikayla
Speaker 1: Tester had really beautiful eyes, so this whole thing has
Speaker 1: absolutely thrown me now. According to Michayla, Anna was particularly
Speaker 1: hard on Sofa Dofa because she was threatened by her success.
Speaker 1: Here's some of what Mikayla had to say.
Speaker 2: A Sofa Dover pop video pops up on actress's phone.
Speaker 2: He turns it up real loud and it's her doing
Speaker 2: a log.
Speaker 1: She's talking.
Speaker 2: Anna said some shit like I don't know why she's
Speaker 2: she's just like trying to copy my content.
Speaker 1: Da da da da da.
Speaker 2: And then she said something about how she's so ugly
Speaker 2: and her eyes are too close together, and she doesn't
Speaker 2: even want to watch videos of her talking and she's
Speaker 2: so sick of it.
Speaker 1: Asas was laughing, cracking up.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what else he said. He was
Speaker 2: just like just entertaining that fact she.
Speaker 1: Painted such a picture of them just bumming around their
Speaker 1: house in the middle of the day, lying on the couches,
Speaker 1: just laying into every person on their TikTok. For you, Paige,
Speaker 1: I also love that Michaela pointed out that they would
Speaker 1: listen to the videos on loud, because there's nothing ruder
Speaker 1: than when you're sitting with people and they've got their
Speaker 1: TikTok on loud. Like you, every time we go to
Speaker 1: record a podcast, you'll be like, oh, sorry, I just
Speaker 1: need to go to the bathroom, and we'll hear your
Speaker 1: phone on upsolutely room.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, there really was this picture painted that Anna was
Speaker 1: incredibly jealous and threatened by other creators who were also
Speaker 1: vlogging and doing similar things to her, and maybe this
Speaker 1: was a way of bringing them down. Yeah. Well, despite
Speaker 1: Anna apparently viewing Sofa Dopa as competition, Michayla became online
Speaker 1: friends with her because she really liked her content. And
Speaker 1: when Mikayla heard that Anna and Addis were speaking badly
Speaker 1: of Sofa, it caused a big fight in the house.
Speaker 1: I had forgotten about this, but Sofa Dofa and Addis
Speaker 1: actually have a history. So in twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 1: pair were spotted looking pretty cozy together at the Stacks event,
Speaker 1: and then they were papped walking around Luna Park alongsign
Speaker 1: add her. I had totally forgotten about this too, so
Speaker 1: much so that I actually had to go back and
Speaker 1: listen to our past episode on her. And it was
Speaker 1: so interesting because Adis and Michayla had only been broken
Speaker 1: up for a little over a month, so it was
Speaker 1: clear that this was some sort of tactic for Addis
Speaker 1: Poul to gain even more attention around the breakup, and
Speaker 1: by picking arguably the next big is TikToker, he wanted
Speaker 1: so much attention and clout. TikTok went absolutely wild over
Speaker 1: these photos, and it prompted Mikayla to warn Adis to
Speaker 1: stay away from her friend. She also said that she
Speaker 1: ended up messaging Sofa asking her what was going on,
Speaker 1: before warning her that the Poles had been talking shit
Speaker 1: about her behind her back. It appeared Sofa Dofer did
Speaker 1: not listen to Mikayla's advice, because not long after she
Speaker 1: was spotted facetiming Addis. So an eagle eyed fan noticed
Speaker 1: that the pair were facetiming each other on a screenshot
Speaker 1: that Addis shared to his Instagram story. Funnily enough, he
Speaker 1: was asking his followers their advice on furniture, and in
Speaker 1: this screenshot you could see the top of Sofa Dopha's head. Now,
Speaker 1: of course someone pieced all together and they created this
Speaker 1: TikTok about it, which went absolutely viral. It's got over
Speaker 1: two million views, and jen Zetas began predicting that they
Speaker 1: were going to be the next big it couple of TikTok.
Speaker 1: At the time when we covered this story, we speculated
Speaker 1: whether this was all set up by Adas Paul in
Speaker 1: a bid to get more attention. Because the super sleuth
Speaker 1: who uploaded this video they had only just created their account,
Speaker 1: they had shared no other videos before, so a lot
Speaker 1: of people saying, well, this is clearly atis. Why would
Speaker 1: he just randomly share a screenshot with Sofa Dofa in it.
Speaker 1: He was trying to get everyone excited and amped over
Speaker 1: this supposed relationship.
Speaker 4: It was very.
Speaker 1: Calculated and seemed like a big fuck you to Mikayla,
Speaker 1: particularly because she was friendly with Sofa. Well, we now
Speaker 1: know that Sofa messaged Mikayla explaining herself. She wrote, Hey, baby,
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the TikTok. But I just
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you for warning me about Adas because
Speaker 1: we had a FaceTime where he was showing me his furniture.
Speaker 1: Then today I've woken up to so much on New
Speaker 1: Necessary drama after a video he made with me on
Speaker 1: FaceTime in the corner, even though you warned me. I
Speaker 1: give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and it feels
Speaker 1: shit when you do that and still get brought into drama.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is stupid anyway, because we just met
Speaker 1: and barely knew each other. Anyway, just wanted to thank
Speaker 1: you for warning me and hope you're okay. Next time
Speaker 1: we're in the same state, let's hang out please.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer actually went to explain herself because she would
Speaker 1: have known. She looked like a bit of a prick
Speaker 1: when that video went viral of the facetiming and she
Speaker 1: didn't heed mikayla Testers warning, But at least she cleared
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. I find it fascinating actually seeing what
Speaker 1: went on behind the scenes, Like we're not usually privy
Speaker 1: to this sort of information. Now, Sofa Dopa wasn't the
Speaker 1: only influencer allegedly in the pol's firing line. This one
Speaker 1: broke a lot of people's hearts. Mikayla claimed that Anna
Speaker 1: and Adams would regularly make fun of TikTok at Jack Cooper,
Speaker 1: who is an Anna Paul super fan. So for those
Speaker 1: on across his content, Jack has over eight hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy thousand followers on TikTok. Here's a snippet of content
Speaker 1: he would share about Anna pol.
Speaker 3: Actually said to her, I feel like I'm meeting God.
Speaker 3: I actually said that to her. I swear Anna Paul
Speaker 3: could literally release shit in a bag and I would
Speaker 3: buy it. Okay, So I just saw a video of
Speaker 3: Anna Poul eating ice with avocado and condensed milk. It's
Speaker 3: a Filipino dessert. But I mean, if Anna Paul's eating something,
Speaker 3: that means obviously I've got to eat it.
Speaker 1: His whole brand was being this Anna pole stand. That's
Speaker 1: how he gained a lot of his followers. He now
Speaker 1: does share other sorts of content, but that is what
Speaker 1: he was known for a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Mikayla alleged that Anna and Adis would take the piss
Speaker 1: out of Jack on social media, while she also claimed
Speaker 1: that she heard Adis making homophobic, disgusting remarks about him,
Speaker 1: which Anna would apparently laugh about. You could tell Mikayla
Speaker 1: felt quite bad for mentioning this because Jack is just
Speaker 1: like a little puppy dog. Well, it's a sweetheart, isn't he.
Speaker 1: It's like shooting Bambi. And it's been hard watching his
Speaker 1: videos back because you can see he's really hurt. He
Speaker 1: did respond in a very iconic way, though, so he
Speaker 1: shared a video of him at the dentist with the
Speaker 1: full gown on, with black glasses and a plate in
Speaker 1: his mouth, with the caption I'm at the dentist, Guys,
Speaker 1: what did I miss? He also shared another TikTok of
Speaker 1: him in his bathroom and he was throwing out all
Speaker 1: of the Pauli's skin care that he'd bought, and he
Speaker 1: had the caption. But little did he know the one
Speaker 1: person he loved and supported through everything for years and
Speaker 1: years actually hated him behind closed doors, Jack, then she
Speaker 1: had a TikTok where he spoke directly to his followers,
Speaker 1: just pointing out that he felt so embarrassed forever hyping
Speaker 1: Anna poll up and making her part of his brand.
Speaker 1: He also confirmed that he no longer supports her. And
Speaker 1: they were never friends. He said they only met twice
Speaker 1: at different Stacks events, and he said his experience of
Speaker 1: meeting Anna in person only backed up Mikayla's claims. Here's
Speaker 1: a snippet of what he said.
Speaker 3: Anna's interaction, Like, I know, it seemed like we were
Speaker 3: hanging out, but like we literally spoke maybe like one minute.
Speaker 3: And just to add to that, I know, like this
Speaker 3: is gonna fucking like I sound crazy, like maybe like
Speaker 3: low your mind a little bit.
Speaker 5: I don't know, like I truly just like felt like okay,
Speaker 5: like she fucking hates me, Like I gotta I'll just leave,
Speaker 5: like whatever, cakeobye. Like you know, it was kind of
Speaker 5: like that, Like I don't know if it was just
Speaker 5: me and that insurrection or whatever, but like what Michayla's.
Speaker 3: Saying now about how you know they spokeshit about me whatever.
Speaker 5: It kind of makes sense as to mabe wife was
Speaker 5: trying to avoid me.
Speaker 1: Now. The Clark family also got a mention. So in
Speaker 1: the episode, Mikayla alleged that Anna was closed off to
Speaker 1: other influences doing vlogs, particularly the Clerks. Again, it seemed
Speaker 1: like she was quite threatened by their content. Mikayla claimed
Speaker 1: Anna would always say fucked up things about the family
Speaker 1: and how they were copying her. Cat Clark has responded
Speaker 1: in the most iconic way.
Speaker 7: Anna Paul has been talking badly about me and my family,
Speaker 7: saying that we're copying her. So I thought I would
Speaker 7: show you some differences. Mostly, I'm a mom, and I
Speaker 7: need to be mindful about what I do for work
Speaker 7: because my daughter and the younger generation that followed me
Speaker 7: look up to me and will most likely want to
Speaker 7: copy me, just like Dasa has already. Today, we're also
Speaker 7: setting up the break room for our casual stuff. We're
Speaker 7: hiring some more people because we're gonna be overseas for
Speaker 7: most of the year, really, and we need some people.
Speaker 1: To help us.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, you guys, I forgot about the food
Speaker 7: in the fridge, and the fridge has been off all week.
Speaker 7: But at least I haven't forgotten about all my animals.
Speaker 7: Actually I only have one animal. Oh and this is
Speaker 7: my husband. He sees me nude, not my brother.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 7: I broke a nail, but it wasn't because my husband
Speaker 7: was slamming on the brakes to scare me. I've just
Speaker 7: been working really hard, but soon that's going to end
Speaker 7: because we leave for Japan and then straight after we're
Speaker 7: going to go Cella. She doesn't have close set eyes.
Speaker 7: She has one eye, thank god, so no one can
Speaker 7: tease her about how close her eyes are. What the hell?
Speaker 7: Who does people are mean about the weirdest thing. I
Speaker 7: used to get teased about looking pregnant. So I've been
Speaker 7: on this massive health care It's not intermittent fasting and
Speaker 7: forcing everyone else around me to do it because they're
Speaker 7: fat too. It's called eating healthy.
Speaker 1: I love that all the influences are getting creative with
Speaker 1: their comeback videos. It's quite clear they've all been hurt
Speaker 1: by these comments. Yeah, I think it's really hurt their
Speaker 1: egos now. In terms of Mikhayla's allegation, she also provided
Speaker 1: further information and receipts about allegations that have already been
Speaker 1: leveled at the polls. So she went into more depth
Speaker 1: about her claim that Anna neglects her animals and uses
Speaker 1: them for content. We actually covered that in depth on
Speaker 1: an episode a couple of weeks ago. Mikayla also confirmed
Speaker 1: Rukas Salt was correct in saying that Hans Paul was homeless,
Speaker 1: and she labeled him a victim of the family, and
Speaker 1: Mikayla also spoke about Anna and Addis's half sister Sarah.
Speaker 1: She claimed that vill Dan, Anna and Addis's mother, made
Speaker 1: it really difficult for Hans to see his daughter and
Speaker 1: she was the reason Anna and Addis didn't know her.
Speaker 1: I love how Mikayla made this point that she was
Speaker 1: not going to call Vildan mama anymore. She's like, you're
Speaker 1: not my mama.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think Vildne would be too pleased with these
Speaker 1: videos that are coming out. Mikayla tester has not painted
Speaker 1: a pretty picture of her now. Before Anna and Adas
Speaker 1: put out their statements on Wednesday, it was quite interesting
Speaker 1: because Mikayla actually shared a birthday message to their half
Speaker 1: sisters Sarah, which it almost felt like that ignited the
Speaker 1: situation more now. It took the polls more than two
Speaker 1: weeks to respond, but Adis and Anna finally broke their
Speaker 1: silence last Wednesday night. Adams was the first of the
Speaker 1: siblings releasing a written statement on his Instagram feed, and
Speaker 1: he came out absolutely swinging. So he accused Mikayla of
Speaker 1: using their toxic relationship as a weapon to destroy Anna
Speaker 1: and assume her life, he continued, saying, I want to
Speaker 1: start by saying Anna had no place in our relationship,
Speaker 1: and surely in twenty twenty five, we can agree that
Speaker 1: my mistakes are mine just because Anna is the well
Speaker 1: known one, that doesn't excuse blaming another woman for the
Speaker 1: mistakes of her brother. The blame rests with me and Mick.
Speaker 1: To blame my bad choices and actions on another woman
Speaker 1: for clicks and views is disgusting. I found it interesting
Speaker 1: that this was the message that the PR team told
Speaker 1: him to run within the opening of his statement, because
Speaker 1: everyone is probably going to take the time to read
Speaker 1: the first page, probably not the tenth slide. It's almost
Speaker 1: as if they were throwing him out to the wolves
Speaker 1: to save Anna's career. I mean, it makes sense in
Speaker 1: terms of the media love pinning women against each other,
Speaker 1: and that's what's happened in this case. It's just strange
Speaker 1: that add Paul would want to insert himself into the
Speaker 1: firing line. That part of the statement was really clever
Speaker 1: because there has been this rhetorican line. Why are we
Speaker 1: pointing just the blame at Anna when Adas has been
Speaker 1: the one who's been accused of all these heinous things. Well,
Speaker 1: he is one hundred percent correct in saying that the
Speaker 1: blame should rest with him, but I do think a
Speaker 1: person who appears to have enabled his behavior also deserve
Speaker 1: some of the blame. And when I read this first light,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, he's actually taking accountability for his actions.
Speaker 1: But as we continue, you'll see that this doesn't last
Speaker 1: very long. Getting into more of his statement, he did
Speaker 1: acknowledge that his relationship with Michaela was toxic, unhealthy and
Speaker 1: destroyed both of their mental health. In terms of taking accountability,
Speaker 1: he wrote, some of the stories she has told are true,
Speaker 1: most are absurdly exaggerated, and some are so twisted I'm
Speaker 1: in shock. He also admitted to being awful, but then said,
Speaker 1: but even in my darkest moments, I wasn't the person
Speaker 1: she has invented in her mission to become Australia's most
Speaker 1: followed influencer. This was an interesting sentiment that Anna actually
Speaker 1: code in her own statement, and it's clear that they
Speaker 1: felt this was the smoking gun that Mikayla is doing
Speaker 1: all of this because she's trying to become Anna and
Speaker 1: become really popular. But what's crazy about that is that's
Speaker 1: the same sort of shit they were trying to level
Speaker 1: against Adis's ex girl. Yet it's just the same. Oh,
Speaker 1: she just wants followers and that's why she's doing it.
Speaker 1: It seems to be their big comeback. Yeah, everyone's jealous
Speaker 1: of us and wants to be us. Now. In this statement,
Speaker 1: Addas denied many of the accusations Michaela leveled at him.
Speaker 1: He wrote, I never had sex with Mikayla while she slept,
Speaker 1: never ran at her with a knife or touched her
Speaker 1: in anger, and there was never a time where I
Speaker 1: cut my wrists and spread blood on a wall. He
Speaker 1: went on to claim that it was logistically impossible to
Speaker 1: have sex with Mikayla while she was asleep and recovering
Speaker 1: from her BBL surgery.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: He also denied that he financially abused Mikayla or stole
Speaker 1: her cryptocurrency. He claimed he was an integral part of
Speaker 1: her only fan success and alleged that the promotions he
Speaker 1: ran tripled her monthly earnings. But he did confirm me
Speaker 1: took a fifty percent cut of her earnings, but alleged
Speaker 1: that he used some of his cut to pay for promotions,
Speaker 1: and he ended up sharing a bunch of very confusing
Speaker 1: screenshots as receipts to back up these claims about the
Speaker 1: earnings and promotions. I tried zooming in on the receipts
Speaker 1: about the promos, but they went all pixelated. They were
Speaker 1: very hard to read. From what I could decipher, these
Speaker 1: promotions weren't expensive at all. They ranged from around twenty
Speaker 1: dollars to twelve hundred dollars. I wouldn't say it was
Speaker 1: a huge chunk out of his fifty percent cut. By
Speaker 1: sharing these receipts, ADAS ended up doxing Mikayla's iCloud email address,
Speaker 1: meaning that people could call and text her, which they
Speaker 1: ended up doing. Yeah, and there's also a screen shot
Speaker 1: which contained an image of Michayla nude from behind. Do
Speaker 1: you think he purposely left this stuff in? Yes, because
Speaker 1: surely if he did have a PR team telling him
Speaker 1: or helping him with this response, they would have said,
Speaker 1: scrub out her email address. Well, they probably gave advice,
Speaker 1: but he ultimately pulled the trigger on his own response.
Speaker 1: He'd come out and say that he assumed that Michayla
Speaker 1: probably didn't use that email addressing, or because it said
Speaker 1: Michayla Paul using his last name in retaliation for revealing
Speaker 1: her private contact details, Michayla released Adis's mobile number, and
Speaker 1: Verrukas Sult then got in on the action, doxing Anna
Speaker 1: Paul's mobile number. Oh one, how quick they were to
Speaker 1: change those now. After defending himself, Adis then leveled allegations
Speaker 1: against Michayla. So rather than addressing why he lied about
Speaker 1: sending his underage ex girlfriend a cease and desist letter,
Speaker 1: he instead claimed that MICHAELA was the chief architect behind
Speaker 1: the YouTube statement they released about it. He then accused
Speaker 1: Michaela of impersonating different online personas to trick people into
Speaker 1: giving her information. He claimed he had no idea what
Speaker 1: she was up to, and as a receipt, referenced the
Speaker 1: story that we shared on our podcast about how MICHAELA
Speaker 1: had sent us a DM threatening to sue us back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one when we covered the story about
Speaker 1: Addis and his ex Adas wrote, or recently when the
Speaker 1: Outspoken podcast tackled about how she personally threatened to sue
Speaker 1: them when they covered the topic something else we learned
Speaker 1: after she had done it. Touched on this on Friday,
Speaker 1: but I was shocked that the Outspoken podcasts got to
Speaker 1: mention in this statement. To me, it shows how much
Speaker 1: they must be scraping the barrel to even mention that
Speaker 1: because it wasn't that big of a deal, particularly when
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the podcast was anti him and
Speaker 1: just airing Mikayla's allegations. It's quite clear that both parties
Speaker 1: have just been going through every single DM or message
Speaker 1: they've ever sent to each other to dissect something that
Speaker 1: will make someone look bad. Oh, it's just a gotcha
Speaker 1: situation that's going on now. I'm finding it really frustrating
Speaker 1: because it is detracting away from the important messaging around
Speaker 1: sexual assault that Michayla is trying to call out. And
Speaker 1: I do think that is a part of the Pole's strategy.
Speaker 1: Let's putting the water. Let's put so much information out
Speaker 1: there that everyone is getting confused and it's becoming really petty,
Speaker 1: and so people are like, I don't know who to believe.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to turn off. Yeah, we're just rounding
Speaker 1: off these allegations. Adas also accused Mikayla of sharing explicit
Speaker 1: content of him on her OnlyFans account without his consent.
Speaker 1: He went on to say that after her continual pushing
Speaker 1: he began filming content with her, and it's one of
Speaker 1: his biggest regrets. I found that interesting that he said
Speaker 1: this was such a big regret of his when his
Speaker 1: sister is one of the biggest onlyfan stars on the platform, Like,
Speaker 1: it's weird for him to be like, Oh, I'm really
Speaker 1: ashamed of this and regret doing I also find it
Speaker 1: disgusting that she's also found the confidence and bravery to
Speaker 1: come out and make these very serious allegations about him,
Speaker 1: but he's trying to turn it on her and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she did this to me. She didn't give me consent
Speaker 1: to be on her platform now. Adis also went on
Speaker 1: to accuse Mikayla of stalking and harassing him and his family.
Speaker 1: He claimed that she turned on his location sharing settings
Speaker 1: on his phone without his consent. He says, once he
Speaker 1: turned it off, Michayla started posting on TikTok offering people
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars to anyone who provided his whereabouts and
Speaker 1: anyone that he was with. I do remember covering this
Speaker 1: on the podcast at the time as well. To back
Speaker 1: up his point, he shared a number of tiktoks that
Speaker 1: Michayla had posted during their breakup where it did look
Speaker 1: like she wanted him back and that she'd do anything
Speaker 1: to have him by Those are really the signs of
Speaker 1: a toxic relationship and on where there's a power in balance.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, a general tact that abuses will use is to
Speaker 1: make people think that their victim is crazy. And Mikayla
Speaker 1: has already previously spoken about how she really amped up
Speaker 1: her being upset about the breakup on her TikTok for views,
Speaker 1: so we don't know how much of this behavior was
Speaker 1: really put on. It also just demonstrates how much power
Speaker 1: he still wielded over her, which really demonstrates an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1: What did you guys think about his strategy of putting
Speaker 1: out this statement. Well, if this was any other PR
Speaker 1: crisis management situation, I would agree that a written statement
Speaker 1: was the best move forward for Adis. However, in this
Speaker 1: TikTok age, I actually think it would have been better
Speaker 1: for Addis to read a statement to the camera, particularly
Speaker 1: after Anna released her video statement and confirmed that they
Speaker 1: weren't taking legal action and instead taking it to the
Speaker 1: court of TikTok because it was Attention spans are getting
Speaker 1: shorter and shorter thanks to TikTok, so a lot of
Speaker 1: people couldn't be bothered to read through the twenty pages
Speaker 1: of text. Mikayla also faced the same challenge where a
Speaker 1: lot of people couldn't be bothered to listen through the
Speaker 1: two and a half hour podcast, but by filming the podcast,
Speaker 1: the most explosive bits can then be cut up and
Speaker 1: shared on TikTok and get that reach. I disagree. I
Speaker 1: think it would have been a nightmare to have him
Speaker 1: on camera because he comes across as really smarmy, particularly
Speaker 1: off the back of those unedited videos we've seen where
Speaker 1: he was joking about his format. Yeah, but they didn't
Speaker 1: have PR help. Then I think if he actually stuck
Speaker 1: to a script and was genuinely apologetic, I mean, the
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't actually agree with the whole statement
Speaker 1: that was put out. I liked the first bit where
Speaker 1: he started to take accountability and said I should be
Speaker 1: the one that was blamed. I think that he went
Speaker 1: off track when he started showing his own receipts, and
Speaker 1: that's where it got messy. I agree that with Adis,
Speaker 1: a written statement was probably the best way forward, but
Speaker 1: it was just too many slides, too much information. It
Speaker 1: needed to be short and concise. They were obviously then
Speaker 1: relying on Anna to come out with the video, as
Speaker 1: you said, to provide those TikTok moments for people to share,
Speaker 1: because she is much more like than Addis. Paul Adas
Speaker 1: getting on camera not necessarily going to help the past. Also,
Speaker 1: do you think that a lot of people don't want
Speaker 1: to see this alleged abuser be platformed in this way.
Speaker 1: We don't want to see his face, we don't want
Speaker 1: to hear him speaking. People want him to disappear. It
Speaker 1: also seems like in the last couple of years he
Speaker 1: very much has stood back from wanting to be in
Speaker 1: the limelight, So putting out a written response kind of
Speaker 1: goes with what he's been doing the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I just think Addis's statement should have been a lot shorter.
Speaker 1: It should have taken accountability, apologize, and not shown all
Speaker 1: these receipts that Mikhayla is actually in the wrong. Shortly
Speaker 1: after Addis's statement, Anna uploaded a twenty six minute response
Speaker 1: video which was entitled enough is Enough. It was interesting
Speaker 1: to see how she was dressed in this video because
Speaker 1: there was a clear strategy to paint her in a
Speaker 1: more conservative light. She was wearing this white matching knit set.
Speaker 1: It became more evident that this was a tactic when
Speaker 1: we got deeper into the video, because she started downplaying
Speaker 1: the content that she shares on OnlyFans while seeming to
Speaker 1: Shae mca Taylor for her content, pointing out that Mikhayla
Speaker 1: has recently shot videos of her and her fiance having sex.
Speaker 1: Even as she said sexual intercourse, it was like she
Speaker 1: was trying to be kid friendly. Yeah, like playing into
Speaker 1: this character that she puts out on TikTok. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of people have commented that her voice is different.
Speaker 1: She puts on a child voice, and it looked like
Speaker 1: the video was shot in an apartment overseas. There were
Speaker 1: reports at the time that fans spotted her at the
Speaker 1: airport with her mama, supposedly fleeing the country, which is
Speaker 1: quite funny because Anna is literally always traveling over the weekend.
Speaker 1: She confirmed she's spending time in London. A couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago she was in the US, so this doesn't
Speaker 1: really seem to be different to her normal behavior now.
Speaker 1: She began this video by addressing her role in the
Speaker 1: leaked YouTube video about Addis's underage ex girlfriend who, for
Speaker 1: the sake of her privacy, we are going to be
Speaker 1: calling Jane to refresh your memory. In that leaked video,
Speaker 1: Anna denied that the Polls sent Jane a fake legal
Speaker 1: letter and blamed their non existent manager for sending it.
Speaker 1: In the snippet, she also kept referring to Jane as
Speaker 1: a little girl, which was really patronizing, and she admitted
Speaker 1: to driving over to her house to confront and intimidate
Speaker 1: her when she was only fourteen years old. Now, Anna
Speaker 1: said that she made a huge mistake by appearing in
Speaker 1: this video and said that she had no right to
Speaker 1: speak about a relationship she wasn't in, as only the
Speaker 1: people in that relationship truly know what went on. And
Speaker 1: it's for this reason that she said that she wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be addressing Adis and Michaela's relationship in her
Speaker 1: video and would only be talking about herself, which I
Speaker 1: think was a bit of a cop out. It is
Speaker 1: a complete cop out, and it's really disappointing that Anna
Speaker 1: is not addressing these very serious claims about domestic violence
Speaker 1: and sexual assault. Yes, it is not her place to
Speaker 1: defend her brother, but she needs to actually address the
Speaker 1: allegations if she's going to put out a video talking
Speaker 1: about this issue, I agree that it's disappointing, But can
Speaker 1: you imagine the PR team when they'd worked out that excuse,
Speaker 1: we've got it. Well, I just think it's very convenient,
Speaker 1: isn't it, Because these allegations other driving force behind why
Speaker 1: Mikayla is speaking out, and I think not touching on
Speaker 1: these allegations provides no context at all. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that again, their strategy is, let's throw
Speaker 1: out a bunch more frivolous allegations that it's going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit titillating for TikTok to hear about.
Speaker 1: But people are going to forget about those sexual abuse allegations.
Speaker 1: The thing is so many people brought into it, Like
Speaker 1: I saw so many tiktoks saying, oh, I'm now team Anna,
Speaker 1: and I was like, do we see the same video? Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's also a cop out, because if anyone
Speaker 1: knew what this relationship was really like, it was Anna Paula.
Speaker 1: I mean, they live together, they travel together, they seem
Speaker 1: to apparently film OnlyFans content together. She would know more
Speaker 1: about their dynamic as a couple. Than anyone else, making
Speaker 1: her an acceptable person to comment on it. And I
Speaker 1: think Abby Chatfield really hit the nail on the head
Speaker 1: when she said that the real reason Anna shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been in that video about Jane is because she was
Speaker 1: literally discrediting a victim, not because she was talking on
Speaker 1: behalf of someone else's relationship. Yeah. So she's happy to
Speaker 1: get involved in intimidating an underage victim, but she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to now get involved when there's serious allegations leveled
Speaker 1: against her brother. Yeah now she they're went on to
Speaker 1: confirm that she hasn't taken any legal action against Michayla,
Speaker 1: saying when a woman has a story to tell, she
Speaker 1: should be able to come online and freely tell that story. Now.
Speaker 1: She said, the reason they haven't lodged a defamation case
Speaker 1: against Mikayla is because of the cost and the length
Speaker 1: of time that it takes for an outcome. She said,
Speaker 1: if they went down that route, they wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to respond publicly for years, So they wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to come on TikTok and show their side of things,
Speaker 1: which is clearly very important to them. I find it
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating that the polls would rather this play out
Speaker 1: in the court of TikTok rather than the Australian legal system.
Speaker 1: I mean, Anna cited the costs of the Lisa Wilkinson
Speaker 1: and Rebel Wilson defamation cases that were heard recently. And
Speaker 1: I actually think they're taking inspiration from the Johnny Depp
Speaker 1: and her defamation trial while there was an actual trial
Speaker 1: in the US because of the way their legal system is,
Speaker 1: and that you can actually watch the court case on TV.
Speaker 1: People were clipping up bits of the court case and
Speaker 1: Amber heard was completely demonized, even though she was making
Speaker 1: serious accusations against Johnny Depp. And I think they've gone, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we don't have to pay all this money for lawyers.
Speaker 1: Let's just air our own court of TikTok and we'll
Speaker 1: put out all of these defenses and then she can
Speaker 1: come back at us, and we'll come back at her
Speaker 1: and we don't have to follow any legal rules.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the reality is there really are no winners
Speaker 1: in these defamation cases. One people lose out so much
Speaker 1: in legal fees, and two there's so much dirt which
Speaker 1: gets spoken in court that is so damaging. And the
Speaker 1: polls have gone, look, we don't want to wait years.
Speaker 1: We don't want this to continue on because this is
Speaker 1: going to be so damaging to our brand. By the
Speaker 1: time this gets heard in a court, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: be over it. The damage is going to be done
Speaker 1: for both of them, So both parties, it's actually better
Speaker 1: that this does play out on TikTok. Yeah, when it
Speaker 1: comes to defamation, you actually have to prove how much
Speaker 1: of your livelihood has been impacted. I mean, I am
Speaker 1: assuming that Anna Paul skincare brand Paulie has taken a
Speaker 1: massive financial hit. But maybe Adas Paul can't prove he's
Speaker 1: been financially impacted by these allegations. And there's also the
Speaker 1: truth defense at the end of the day as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can't defend a lot of these claims.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Anna went on to address the long list of supposed
Speaker 1: lies that Michayla aired on her podcast. So Ada denied
Speaker 1: that Adas took her OnlyFans content, and she attempted to
Speaker 1: laugh this off by saying how gross it was and
Speaker 1: that Mikayla was merely playing into the long standing online rumors.
Speaker 1: This is quite funny because she tried to disprove this
Speaker 1: allegation by sharing a screenshot from their group chat, which
Speaker 1: interestingly was called rich and Famous, which shows how they
Speaker 1: view themselves. Wasn't there another group chat going around called
Speaker 1: millionaires and Billionaires? But I was embarrassed for them very
Speaker 1: cringe now. In this screenshot, the two women were discussing
Speaker 1: Jane's identical claims that Adas takes Anna's only fans content,
Speaker 1: and Anna wrote she said Adas takes my only fance picks.
Speaker 1: What ha ha ha, She's a nutcase, to which Mikayla responded, yuck,
Speaker 1: what the fuck, fucking weird bitch. I want to kill
Speaker 1: her now. What Anna didn't realize though, is by sharing
Speaker 1: this screenshot, she actually confirmed that Adis has taken her
Speaker 1: OnlyFans content in the past, because if you read the
Speaker 1: full conversation, Anna continued, saying, I didn't even have only
Speaker 1: fans when they were together. The only only fans thing
Speaker 1: Addis has ever taken of me was in Bali, of
Speaker 1: both of us, but that was two years ago and
Speaker 1: we never said who recorded that. She's confirmed there that
Speaker 1: he did take vision of the two of them in
Speaker 1: bar and wasn't that exactly what Mikayla has well. Anna
Speaker 1: also denied that she keeps buying new dogs, so she
Speaker 1: went through a timeline of the dogs that she owned
Speaker 1: throughout her childhood. She did conveniently leave out the fact
Speaker 1: that Addis had bought a puppy for her called Prince,
Speaker 1: who Glenn now takes care of. She also denied abusing
Speaker 1: her birds, so she confirmed that she had never clipped
Speaker 1: their wings, but she did admit that she was forced
Speaker 1: to rehome three of the four birds as they would
Speaker 1: attack one another. It's quite awkward because Anna gave her
Speaker 1: dad the job of finding buyers for these birds, and
Speaker 1: she shed these screenshots showing him wheeling and dealing, and
Speaker 1: in the text message exchange, you can see that substantial
Speaker 1: money was being negotiated for the birds. There was upwards
Speaker 1: of one thousand dollars being paid, and Anna was trying
Speaker 1: to prove that she really cared about finding them a
Speaker 1: good home, but it seemed like they were after a
Speaker 1: good price for the birds. Yeah, because when she said
Speaker 1: she rehomed them, I thought, oh, maybe she sent them
Speaker 1: off to a wildlife sanctuary to have a better life
Speaker 1: because she could no longer take care of them. But
Speaker 1: it just seemed like they were trying to get money
Speaker 1: out of the situation. To be fair, I thought the
Speaker 1: same thing, Kate. But then I realized, sometimes when you
Speaker 1: are selling a pet, it is better to put a
Speaker 1: figure down because some people will just take anything for free,
Speaker 1: or abuse it or feed it or whatever. Well, Anna
Speaker 1: said that Michaela's allegations about her pets was just one
Speaker 1: huge projection, and then she dropped this bomb that Mikayla
Speaker 1: had apparently re homed her cat, Mikel. Here's what she said.
Speaker 6: I think that this whole thing, this whole animal thing,
Speaker 6: is just one huge projection from Michayla because the second
Speaker 6: her cat was a minor inconvenience to her, she had
Speaker 6: her assistant drive her cap to the closest shelter and
Speaker 6: dump him. Where is your cat, Mikchayla, Where was he
Speaker 6: rehome to? You don't know because you don't care.
Speaker 1: It's terrible because when that photo popped up of Michayla's cat,
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but laugh because I just thought, this
Speaker 1: drama has just gotten so low, like everyone, you returned
Speaker 1: your cat. Well, because she shared a Facebook photo of
Speaker 1: Mikel looking kind of sad at this adoption place like
Speaker 1: it was. It was a photo saying can you adopt Mikkel,
Speaker 1: currently residing at pet Barne Arndale Now. Michayla has since
Speaker 1: responded to these claims, saying that Anna is trying to deflect,
Speaker 1: and she confirmed she had no choice but to rehome
Speaker 1: Michel as he was better suited to a one cat
Speaker 1: household because kept attacking her other cats.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Anna also touched on the controversy that erupted last year
Speaker 1: when Veruka Sult claimed that her dad, Hans Paul, was homeless.
Speaker 1: So Anna confirmed that her dad does live in a van,
Speaker 1: but claims he's not homeless. She showed a screenshot of
Speaker 1: his van life Instagram account and said that his family
Speaker 1: used to drive around Europe in a van and he
Speaker 1: loves it. She then provided a screenshot she said took
Speaker 1: place before the homeless rumors started, telling her dad if
Speaker 1: he needs money, any amount at any time, she'll send it.
Speaker 1: She then showed other screenshots of her sending her dad
Speaker 1: almost sixty thousand dollars and reiterated that she funds all
Speaker 1: of his overseas trips. I found Anna's robutto quite amusing
Speaker 1: because she's like, he's not homeless, he lives in a van.
Speaker 1: What she needed to say was he is homeless by
Speaker 1: choice because he really enjoys his bath. And it didn't
Speaker 1: help when Anna provided the receipts to say that she'd
Speaker 1: sent her dad almost sixty thousand dollars. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: then why does he need these handouts if he is
Speaker 1: self sufficient and doesn't need money. Ruker made a good
Speaker 1: point because it seems as though, yes, he is living
Speaker 1: in this fan but Anna has made it sound as
Speaker 1: though he's off exploring different parts of Australia. But from
Speaker 1: all reports, he is just staying in the Pool's area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been so many recent sightings of him on TikTok
Speaker 1: because Anna has spoken about him living in a van.
Speaker 1: Now everybody is posting ons is he a dad? It
Speaker 1: down at the shop. It's also because Michayla has basically
Speaker 1: said where he hangs out at this particular bar and
Speaker 1: his name the bar.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Anna went on to deny fat, shaming her ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: Glenn and his family. She said that Michayla is attempting
Speaker 1: to take away everything she stands for and wants to
Speaker 1: destroy her reputation as a body positive influencer. She said
Speaker 1: she doesn't use the word fat in a derogatory way,
Speaker 1: and explained that she and Glenn had been worried about
Speaker 1: his father's health for quite some time. Anna also addressed
Speaker 1: the close set eyes controversy. She denied making comments about
Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer and Erica Tider, saying Michayla was projecting her
Speaker 1: own insecurities about her eyes. He's part of what she said.
Speaker 6: Michayla was the most insecure person that I have ever
Speaker 6: met in my life, and I was always there to
Speaker 6: support her and make her feel beautiful and make her
Speaker 6: feel good. And now she has come out and said
Speaker 6: that apparently I have said that everybody's eyes are too
Speaker 6: close together, like there with a tape measure, like, oh,
Speaker 6: your eyes are too close together, Like I'm the crazy
Speaker 6: supermodel with the most like it is crazy to me.
Speaker 6: And the thing is that Michayla's eyes were often a
Speaker 6: topic of discussion for us, and she needed constant reassurance
Speaker 6: that she was beautiful and that her eyes were beautiful.
Speaker 6: And this whole thing is so crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Anna then alleged that Michayla had twisted the story, saying
Speaker 1: that she was jealous because atis like the two girls
Speaker 1: in question. She then followed up with what she called
Speaker 1: an actual receipt showing a conversation with who she referred
Speaker 1: to as the real Michayla. For some context, this conversation
Speaker 1: was about a photo of influencer Isabelle. Let's throw to
Speaker 1: what she.
Speaker 6: Said, without the eyeliner, her eyes are so fucking small
Speaker 6: on her face, it does not work. Now she needed
Speaker 6: constant reassurance for her own beauty, which I always gave her.
Speaker 6: And she said, do I look like her without eyeliner?
Speaker 6: And I rea showed her A said no, not even closed.
Speaker 6: She said, because whenever I see her without eyeliner, I'm like,
Speaker 6: holy fucking shit, please put some eyeliner on. Then I
Speaker 6: reassured her again, and she says, and you know how
Speaker 6: addicted I am into eyeliner.
Speaker 3: Thank frick.
Speaker 6: Yes, I do know. It was a constant topic of conversation.
Speaker 6: But again I tried to kindly reassure.
Speaker 4: Her, and I said, don't even worry.
Speaker 6: You basically look the same without eyeliner, so never feel
Speaker 6: insecure about it. And she's like, thank you so much,
Speaker 6: I love you. That was a normal conversation for us.
Speaker 6: Yet now apparently I'm out here calling all these influences
Speaker 6: saying they.
Speaker 1: All have ugly eyes. Now. Mikayla has since responded, saying
Speaker 1: that her comments have been taken out of context by Anna.
Speaker 1: She again showed the full conversation, revealing Anna was the
Speaker 1: one who initially sent the screenshot of Isabelle Clark and
Speaker 1: wrote fuck you. She's suggesting she looks like Bella had died.
Speaker 1: Adis wrote fuck that screenshot for fuck's sake, Fuck's sake, man.
Speaker 1: Mikayla wrote back, I feel bad. I guess she's making
Speaker 1: do with what she's got. Can't hate on her for that.
Speaker 1: Anna then said she probably took shit about us too,
Speaker 1: and said her eyes cut off halfway through. That's what
Speaker 1: Michayla made her response about the eyeliner and made a typo.
Speaker 1: She claimed she was speaking about herself and not Isabelle now.
Speaker 1: As for Jack Cooper, Anna said he was one of
Speaker 1: her favorite influences and she loves him dearly. She also
Speaker 1: alleged that Michayla was making these claims to take everything
Speaker 1: away from her that makes her her, and she tried
Speaker 1: to prove the level of friendship that she and Jack
Speaker 1: had by showing how many dms that they'd sent back
Speaker 1: and forward over the years. She did blur out his
Speaker 1: dms for privacy, though, However, she did admit to one
Speaker 1: instance where she spoke badly of him, saying.
Speaker 6: This, before I met him, I didn't know his personality.
Speaker 6: I didn't know his sense of humor. I knew nothing
Speaker 6: about him. And if you know Jack Cooper, you know
Speaker 6: his humor is very specific. It's a very special type
Speaker 6: of human It's very different. And at the time I
Speaker 6: didn't know that. So the one time I said something
Speaker 6: bad about him before I knew him, before I met him,
Speaker 6: this was a very long time ago. He commented something
Speaker 6: really really crazy on my Instagram photo, and I sent
Speaker 6: him the group chat and said that he's a cloud
Speaker 6: chaser because I thought he was trying to get attention. Now.
Speaker 1: Jack has since responded, saying if the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: version of him at knew Anna had called him a
Speaker 1: cloud chaser behind his back, he would have literally been
Speaker 1: bed riddle. He was also at a loss as to
Speaker 1: what he posted to elicit the response from her, and
Speaker 1: he said that the blurred out dms were misleading and
Speaker 1: made it look like they constantly spoken were friends, but
Speaker 1: in reality, the majority of the messages were just responses
Speaker 1: to Stories Now, there were so many allegations for Anna
Speaker 1: to address that she did a rapid fire segment, so
Speaker 1: she denied talking shit about Michayla in German, claiming she
Speaker 1: and Addis don't know how to write in German. She
Speaker 1: also denied their house got demolished because it smelt of animal,
Speaker 1: and she touched on Michayla's claims that she ran an
Speaker 1: illegal lottery, saying a quick Google search confirmed it was legal.
Speaker 1: In this response video, it was really clear that Anna
Speaker 1: was trying to assassinate Michayla's character. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: that Michayla is essentially doing the same thing to her
Speaker 1: in her podcast series, but it feels really wrong to
Speaker 1: see someone doing this too a victim, particularly when your
Speaker 1: brother is the accused perpetrator. Anna claims she wanted to
Speaker 1: show people how she actually treated Mikayla during their friendship,
Speaker 1: and did so by sharing screenshots discussing Michayla's alleged schizophrenia.
Speaker 1: The screenshots showed Anna writing does your schizophrenia affect your
Speaker 1: everyday life significantly? Because if yes, I wonder if maybe
Speaker 1: you should get some extra professional help. She then played
Speaker 1: a voice note urging Michayla to get help and saying
Speaker 1: don't worry, they're not going to force pills down your throat.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: For me, the purpose of this wasn't to prove how
Speaker 1: caring she was to Michayla. It was literally to remind
Speaker 1: her followers that Michayla has mental health issues, which she
Speaker 1: has spoken about in depth herself, and to try and
Speaker 1: discredit Michayla's version of events, which I found so disgusting.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there hasn't been more about this online because
Speaker 1: I think this was the lowest part of Anna's clap
Speaker 1: back video because she really was shaming her and it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, as you said this, excuse well,
Speaker 1: cow lovely, I am no, You're actually trying to put
Speaker 1: her on blasts and say she has schizophrenia. This actually
Speaker 1: backed up a lot of Michaela's claims in her podcast
Speaker 1: about how Anna would gaslight her and say that she
Speaker 1: was just trying to do something nice, but it was
Speaker 1: actually this backhanded thing to Michayla. Yeah, and Anna finished
Speaker 1: this video by summing up all the reasons people shouldn't
Speaker 1: trust Michayla. It almost felt like she was in this
Speaker 1: election campaign video and pointing out all the facts. Despite
Speaker 1: starting the video by essentially saying it wasn't her place
Speaker 1: to defend her brother's actions, she tried to paint Michaela
Speaker 1: as a hypocrite, saying that she dated rapper kid Larroy
Speaker 1: when he was underage. She also made some very serious allegations,
Speaker 1: saying that Michayla sent nudes to fourteen year old boys
Speaker 1: in a group chat when she was nineteen, and she
Speaker 1: then went on to strangely downplay her own OnlyFans content,
Speaker 1: saying that she's never shared a photo of her bad
Speaker 1: chest on there, whilst Mikayla shares videos of her having
Speaker 1: sex with her fiance. It was very odd. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: found this part very uncomfortable and quite troubling, considering that
Speaker 1: Mikayla has come out and said that she's a victim
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and sexual assault. But then Anna tries
Speaker 1: to turn the script and say that Mikayla is actually
Speaker 1: a perpetrator of this type of behavior. Now, Mikayla confirmed
Speaker 1: that when she first met kid LaRoy, he told her
Speaker 1: he was older and was attending an eighteen plus venue
Speaker 1: with his older group of friends. She said that she
Speaker 1: didn't have a relationship with him until a year and
Speaker 1: a half after they met, when he was at consenting age.
Speaker 1: She also said the screenshots of the supposed chat Anna
Speaker 1: shared was taken out of context. She said that the
Speaker 1: photo Anna blurred out was not a nude and was
Speaker 1: actually a photo of her in Addis's T shirt. She
Speaker 1: said it was a group chat with a bunch of
Speaker 1: her friends and two boys who said they were over eighteen. Now,
Speaker 1: to end the video, Anna left viewers with a final receipt.
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
Speaker 6: So I'm going to leave you with one final receipt.
Speaker 6: This receipt is the real Mikayla. This is how she
Speaker 6: is behind closed doors. This isn't the Mikayla that's manipulating
Speaker 6: the internet. This is a Mikayla that you don't know.
Speaker 6: This is the real reason that she started all of this.
Speaker 4: My goal is to make sure she doesn't fucking post
Speaker 4: a thing, because remember how I told you she would
Speaker 4: always copy me. She would always steal my stories, steal
Speaker 4: my personality, everything, the car I did, all of that
Speaker 4: she stole from me. I'm supposed to be the one
Speaker 4: with seven million followers. I'm going to be vlogging after
Speaker 4: this and everyone's going to need someone to watch because
Speaker 4: everyone's addicted to watching her that they're going to watch
Speaker 4: me And I'm going to live that life that I
Speaker 4: should have had.
Speaker 1: And this doesn't come from jealousy.
Speaker 2: This just comes from a siphoning energy bitch.
Speaker 1: I think Anna thought that she had a real checkmate
Speaker 1: there with this receipt. But if anything, I think it
Speaker 1: actually made people like Michayla more because it's never been
Speaker 1: a secret that she's been trying to bring Anna Poul down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was the whole point of this podcast
Speaker 1: that she said, I'm not the perfect victim. Anna Poul
Speaker 1: should not be platformed the way she is. She has
Speaker 1: actually stolen my upbringing story. And essentially it's not a
Speaker 1: surprise that MICHAELA would say behind the scenes, I deserve
Speaker 1: that following her because she's taken my life story and
Speaker 1: presented it as her own. I saw so many people
Speaker 1: on TikTok saying that that audio grab was worthy of
Speaker 1: being in a movie trailer. I loved it, like it
Speaker 1: actually just made me like her more. And what I
Speaker 1: also really liked is that Mikayla was able to jump
Speaker 1: on her TikTok instantly after Anna uploaded her response video.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Anna take two weeks to come
Speaker 1: up with a reply. But Mikayla was right on it,
Speaker 1: and she said that the difference between her and Anna
Speaker 1: Paul is that she doesn't get on TikTok and preach
Speaker 1: that she's perfect. Throw to some of what she.
Speaker 2: Said, Anna Paul is doing to me exactly what she
Speaker 2: did to his ex girlfriend, trying to paint them as
Speaker 2: some sort of crazy liar. The voice message at the
Speaker 2: end of Anna Paul's video is facts. I'll post that
Speaker 2: to my own account. I'll say that with my full chest.
Speaker 2: You stole everything about me, all of my ideas, everything,
Speaker 2: You stole it all, even the goddamn story about your upbringing,
Speaker 2: the homeless shelters, eating food.
Speaker 1: Babes ha ha ha is all I have to fucking
Speaker 1: say about that. She continued, saying, of course, she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to see her post again or plaster her brother
Speaker 1: up as though he's this nice guy. I was shocked, though,
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were buying into Anna Paul's commentary.
Speaker 1: There were people saying, oh Anna's come with the real receipts,
Speaker 1: and I think we all owe Anna an apology. Surely
Speaker 1: these people are die hard fans, because you can't sit
Speaker 1: and watch all of Mikayla's allegations and then all of
Speaker 1: the other people that have come out of the woodwork Arrukas, Salt,
Speaker 1: Anna's own half sister, Addis's two ex girlfriends, Now and
Speaker 1: go on. I think there were people who wanted to
Speaker 1: believe Anna, people who have followed her for such a
Speaker 1: long time, and they thought, oh, maybe some of these
Speaker 1: things have been blown out of proportion, particularly because she
Speaker 1: left out all of the terrible accusations level to add us.
Speaker 1: I think that that really made it seem like this
Speaker 1: trivial thing when you don't include allegations about sexual assault
Speaker 1: and domestic violence. But I think as soon as Mikayla
Speaker 1: and Ruker hit back that night refuting the claims, the
Speaker 1: tide really swung back in Mikayla's direction. It's quite interesting
Speaker 1: to look at the stats because on the day that
Speaker 1: Anna released her response video, she did actually gain one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, but the next day she lost a
Speaker 1: further one hundred thousand. Over the past thirty days, she
Speaker 1: has lost five hundred thousand followers, So it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what happens over the next couple of months
Speaker 1: and how she chooses to post going forward. It's really
Speaker 1: disturbing because all over TikTok, I'm seeing people being asked
Speaker 1: to take aside. So there's businesses who were putting out
Speaker 1: jars saying vote if your team Mikayla or team Anna,
Speaker 1: and and it's really trivializing what has actually gone on.
Speaker 1: And I think that with Anna choosing to go tit
Speaker 1: for tat on a lot of petty issues and refusing
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the allegations about her brother, all it's doing
Speaker 1: is pitting these two women against each other and turning
Speaker 1: this into a stereotypical cat fight, when in reality, Mikayla
Speaker 1: and a number of Addis's former partners are raising the
Speaker 1: alarm about this man's behavior. And on that topic, On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: just before six pm Australian time, and before Anna and
Speaker 1: Adas put their statements out, the Telegraph ran with the
Speaker 1: exclusive story that Adis Paul was sentenced for statutory rape.
Speaker 1: The publication reported that, according to court documents, Adas pled
Speaker 1: guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge of a girl
Speaker 1: aged twelve to sixteen, which relate to a series of
Speaker 1: incidents between December twenty seventeen and October twenty eighteen. Adis
Speaker 1: was aged between sixteen and seventeen at the time of
Speaker 1: the offending. MICHAELA was not the complainant in the case. Now,
Speaker 1: carnal knowledge refers to engaging in sexual intercourse with a
Speaker 1: person under the age of consent. In Queensland, the age
Speaker 1: of consent is sixteen and cannot be given by individuals
Speaker 1: under age as they are deemed incapable of making informed
Speaker 1: decisions about such matters. Now, despite being under eighteen at
Speaker 1: the time of the offense, Adis was dealt with as
Speaker 1: an adult because the criminal proceedings commenced in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: when he was twenty one. He was sentenced at Southport
Speaker 1: District Court in twenty twenty three, and despite pleading guilty,
Speaker 1: no convictions were recorded. Instead, Adas was issued a one
Speaker 1: thy five hundred recognisance, given a twelve month good behavior
Speaker 1: bond and ordered to pay five hundred dollars in compensation.
Speaker 1: What I find really interesting about this news is the
Speaker 1: fact that there have been so many people online, including Mikayla,
Speaker 1: saying he is a convicted rapist. But what this has
Speaker 1: pointed out is he actually wasn't convicted, And I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok, even Abby Chatfield running
Speaker 1: with it saying, oh, he's a convicted this and that
Speaker 1: people need to be really careful because this is where
Speaker 1: you can find yourself in trouble. Yeah. I mean, even
Speaker 1: though the Pauls have said that they aren't going to
Speaker 1: be following this up legally, I do think people need
Speaker 1: to be very careful moving forward the language that they use. Yes,
Speaker 1: he did plead guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge
Speaker 1: and he was sentenced for statutory rate, but there wasn't
Speaker 1: a conviction actually recorded, presumably because he was under the
Speaker 1: age of eighteen at the time. Away from the language,
Speaker 1: this article has been extremely damaging for the Paul family.
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of media run with these allegations. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously it was the Telegraph that picked up on this first.
Speaker 1: They did a great job of sourcing these court documents
Speaker 1: and breaking this story. I mean, we were calling out
Speaker 1: for media, please ye find these documents. I mean, we
Speaker 1: had viewed them ourselves, but there are legalities around reporting
Speaker 1: on these type of documents. You have to be very
Speaker 1: careful with what you say. It would be a huge
Speaker 1: relief for Mikayla and also the other alleged victims to
Speaker 1: actually have this in print and to feel like there
Speaker 1: is a publication who's taking it seriously and it's done
Speaker 1: the due diligence to actually look into it. Over the weekend,
Speaker 1: it was interesting because a member of the public actually
Speaker 1: captured footage of Attis in the wild. So in the
Speaker 1: phone vision he appeared to be standing at an alternative
Speaker 1: medicine counter at surface Paradise with what people are thinking
Speaker 1: is his new girlfriend. So Hostin is not traveling with
Speaker 1: Anna because Anna's in London at the moment. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think she'd want to be seen with him. The
Speaker 1: girl in the vision did look very young, and people
Speaker 1: who went to school with the girl have written into
Speaker 1: these gossip forums saying that she's around twenty years of
Speaker 1: age now. Mikayla re shared the video and wrote, this
Speaker 1: man is known to prey on women on dating apps,
Speaker 1: uses his sister's fame to impress them and makes them
Speaker 1: sign NDAs. She also made some other claims that for
Speaker 1: legal reasons we will not go into, but it was
Speaker 1: very interesting to see this footage pop up over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It didn't paint him in a great light. Now, I
Speaker 1: was actually really relieved on Saturday when Mikayla announced that
Speaker 1: she would be postponing the release of episode three of
Speaker 1: her podcast. She said that things need to be moved
Speaker 1: around and added she also put a call out on
Speaker 1: her Instagram story for anyone that can interpret German and
Speaker 1: she also said that she'd been getting requests to platform
Speaker 1: other victims of the Paul family. So I think episode
Speaker 1: three may potentially be five hours long. It seems like
Speaker 1: it's even more so gay mod now that Addison Ander
Speaker 1: have said that they won't be taking legal action over this.
Speaker 1: It's like they're waving a red flag to a ball. Well,
Speaker 1: that is where we're going to leave things today. Thank
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