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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torb and on today's show, we're covering the biggest

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Speaker 1: scandal to rock the Australian influencers space. On Wednesday night,

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Speaker 1: Anna and Addas Paul broke the internet when they finally

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Speaker 1: responded to Michayla Tester's podcast allegations, bringing some receipts of

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Speaker 1: their own cape. I was not expecting this at all.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday night, we were all around for our family

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Speaker 1: dinner and absolutely glued to our phones. So many people

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Speaker 1: have complained that their sleep was impacted by this news.

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Speaker 1: The timing is very interesting. But before we go into

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Speaker 1: what they said, I think we should dive into some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest allegations to come from Part two of

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Speaker 1: Michayla Tester's podcast series. So this episode was very dark

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Speaker 1: and it was tough to get through. In it, Mikayla

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Speaker 1: alleged that Addams Paul sexually assaulted her while she was

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Speaker 1: recovering from a BBL surgery. Adis has since come out

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Speaker 1: and denied this, saying it was logistically impossible, but mc

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Speaker 1: kayla stands by the allegation. The other bombshell to come

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Speaker 1: out of this episode were claims that Anna made derogatory

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Speaker 1: comments about high profile influences, in particular insulting comments made

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Speaker 1: about their eyes. This was just bizarre. She seems to

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Speaker 1: have some strange obsession, allegedly with people who have close

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Speaker 1: set eyes. I didn't even realize this was a theme. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it reminded me of that scene on Me and Girls

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Speaker 1: when Caatie Harring is watching the Plastics talk about all

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Speaker 1: the features that they don't like about themselves, and she's like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that there could be so many

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Speaker 1: things that are wrong with you. And Michaela said that

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Speaker 1: she first became aware of Anna's apparent fixation with eyes

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Speaker 1: when Anna pointed out to Michayla that hers were apparently

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Speaker 1: too close together. Let's have a listen to what Michayla said.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that Anna told Atis about me

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Speaker 2: was that I'm ugly and then my eyes are too

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Speaker 2: close together. Okay. And obviously, when Attis finally told me

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Speaker 2: that she had said this about me, I knew it

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Speaker 2: was true. I knew it was true because when she

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Speaker 2: met my sisters, when I was there, so this was

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Speaker 2: like into the relationship. When I was already living in

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Speaker 2: the house with them, she had made like a really weird,

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Speaker 2: obscure comment to me and my siblings, like, oh, like yeah,

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Speaker 2: like I can see that you guys are siblings and

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Speaker 2: you guys are related because you guys all have the

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Speaker 2: same eyes, like a little too close together, right, And

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Speaker 2: when she said that comment, I laughed it off. I

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Speaker 2: was like, hey, yeah, like it's cute whatever, Like it's cute,

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Speaker 2: like right, it's like dull eyes. Ah, so whatever, obviously

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Speaker 2: backhanded compliment or it wasn't even a compliment.

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Speaker 1: I don't think obviously.

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Speaker 2: It's such a niche thing to say too.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this whole thing has just sparked a

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Speaker 1: new insecurity in women, something else to be worried about.

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Speaker 1: It's not quite right about your appearance. Yeah, well. Mikayla

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Speaker 1: also claims that Anna made comments about Sofa dofer Erica Titus,

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Speaker 1: and Isabel Clark, all having apparently close set eyes, as

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Speaker 1: well as another one of Addis's former girlfriends. There seemed

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Speaker 1: to be such a focus in the pool household about

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Speaker 1: this particular facial feature. It's so odd, and this led

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Speaker 1: to Mikayla feeling really insecure, she started to wear a

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Speaker 1: lot of eyeliner to try and make her eyes appear wider.

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Speaker 1: She also said she got philly in her eyelids and

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Speaker 1: looked into surgery in Turkey. Thankfully she didn't go through

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Speaker 1: with the surgery. The irony is, I've always thought Mikayla

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Speaker 1: Tester had really beautiful eyes, so this whole thing has

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Speaker 1: absolutely thrown me now. According to Michayla, Anna was particularly

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Speaker 1: hard on Sofa Dofa because she was threatened by her success.

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Speaker 1: Here's some of what Mikayla had to say.

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Speaker 2: A Sofa Dover pop video pops up on actress's phone.

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Speaker 2: He turns it up real loud and it's her doing

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Speaker 1: She's talking.

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Speaker 2: Anna said some shit like I don't know why she's

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Speaker 2: she's just like trying to copy my content.

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Speaker 1: Da da da da da.

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Speaker 2: And then she said something about how she's so ugly

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Speaker 2: and her eyes are too close together, and she doesn't

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Speaker 1: Asas was laughing, cracking up.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what else he said. He was

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Speaker 2: just like just entertaining that fact she.

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Speaker 1: Painted such a picture of them just bumming around their

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Speaker 1: just laying into every person on their TikTok. For you, Paige,

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Speaker 1: I also love that Michaela pointed out that they would

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, there really was this picture painted that Anna was

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Speaker 1: incredibly jealous and threatened by other creators who were also

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Speaker 1: was a way of bringing them down. Yeah. Well, despite

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Speaker 1: Anna apparently viewing Sofa Dopa as competition, Michayla became online

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Speaker 1: friends with her because she really liked her content. And

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Speaker 1: when Mikayla heard that Anna and Addis were speaking badly

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Speaker 1: of Sofa, it caused a big fight in the house.

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Speaker 1: I had forgotten about this, but Sofa Dofa and Addis

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Speaker 1: actually have a history. So in twenty twenty two, the

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Speaker 1: pair were spotted looking pretty cozy together at the Stacks event,

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Speaker 1: and then they were papped walking around Luna Park alongsign

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Speaker 1: much so that I actually had to go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to our past episode on her. And it was

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Speaker 1: so interesting because Adis and Michayla had only been broken

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Speaker 1: clear that this was some sort of tactic for Addis

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Speaker 1: Poul to gain even more attention around the breakup, and

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Speaker 1: by picking arguably the next big is TikToker, he wanted

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Speaker 1: so much attention and clout. TikTok went absolutely wild over

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Speaker 1: these photos, and it prompted Mikayla to warn Adis to

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Speaker 1: before warning her that the Poles had been talking shit

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Speaker 1: was spotted facetiming Addis. So an eagle eyed fan noticed

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Speaker 1: was asking his followers their advice on furniture, and in

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Speaker 1: this screenshot you could see the top of Sofa Dopha's head. Now,

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Speaker 1: At the time when we covered this story, we speculated

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Speaker 1: whether this was all set up by Adas Paul in

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Speaker 1: of people saying, well, this is clearly atis. Why would

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Speaker 1: He was trying to get everyone excited and amped over

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Speaker 1: this supposed relationship.

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Speaker 4: It was very.

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Speaker 1: Calculated and seemed like a big fuck you to Mikayla,

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Speaker 1: particularly because she was friendly with Sofa. Well, we now

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Speaker 1: know that Sofa messaged Mikayla explaining herself. She wrote, Hey, baby,

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Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the TikTok. But I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to thank you for warning me about Adas because

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Speaker 1: we had a FaceTime where he was showing me his furniture.

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Speaker 1: Then today I've woken up to so much on New

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Speaker 1: Necessary drama after a video he made with me on

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Speaker 1: FaceTime in the corner, even though you warned me. I

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Speaker 1: give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and it feels

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is stupid anyway, because we just met

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Speaker 1: and barely knew each other. Anyway, just wanted to thank

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Speaker 1: we're in the same state, let's hang out please.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer actually went to explain herself because she would

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Speaker 1: have known. She looked like a bit of a prick

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Speaker 1: when that video went viral of the facetiming and she

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Speaker 1: didn't heed mikayla Testers warning, But at least she cleared

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Speaker 1: it up. Yeah. I find it fascinating actually seeing what

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Speaker 1: to this sort of information. Now, Sofa Dopa wasn't the

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Speaker 1: only influencer allegedly in the pol's firing line. This one

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Speaker 1: broke a lot of people's hearts. Mikayla claimed that Anna

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Speaker 1: and Adams would regularly make fun of TikTok at Jack Cooper,

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Speaker 1: who is an Anna Paul super fan. So for those

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Speaker 1: on across his content, Jack has over eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy thousand followers on TikTok. Here's a snippet of content

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Speaker 3: Actually said to her, I feel like I'm meeting God.

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Speaker 3: I actually said that to her. I swear Anna Paul

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Speaker 3: could literally release shit in a bag and I would

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Speaker 3: buy it. Okay, So I just saw a video of

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Speaker 3: Anna Poul eating ice with avocado and condensed milk. It's

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Speaker 1: His whole brand was being this Anna pole stand. That's

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Speaker 1: how he gained a lot of his followers. He now

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Speaker 1: Mikayla alleged that Anna and Adis would take the piss

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Speaker 1: that she heard Adis making homophobic, disgusting remarks about him,

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Speaker 1: which Anna would apparently laugh about. You could tell Mikayla

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Speaker 1: felt quite bad for mentioning this because Jack is just

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Speaker 1: It's like shooting Bambi. And it's been hard watching his

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Speaker 1: videos back because you can see he's really hurt. He

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Speaker 1: what did I miss? He also shared another TikTok of

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Speaker 1: him in his bathroom and he was throwing out all

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Speaker 1: of the Pauli's skin care that he'd bought, and he

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Speaker 1: had the caption. But little did he know the one

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Speaker 1: person he loved and supported through everything for years and

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Speaker 1: years actually hated him behind closed doors, Jack, then she

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Speaker 1: just pointing out that he felt so embarrassed forever hyping

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Speaker 1: Anna poll up and making her part of his brand.

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Speaker 1: He also confirmed that he no longer supports her. And

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Speaker 1: they were never friends. He said they only met twice

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Speaker 1: at different Stacks events, and he said his experience of

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Speaker 1: meeting Anna in person only backed up Mikayla's claims. Here's

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Speaker 1: a snippet of what he said.

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Speaker 3: Anna's interaction, Like, I know, it seemed like we were

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Speaker 3: hanging out, but like we literally spoke maybe like one minute.

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Speaker 3: And just to add to that, I know, like this

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Speaker 5: I don't know, like I truly just like felt like okay,

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Speaker 5: like she fucking hates me, Like I gotta I'll just leave,

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Speaker 5: like whatever, cakeobye. Like you know, it was kind of

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Speaker 1: He also denied that he financially abused Mikayla or stole

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Speaker 1: make people think that their victim is crazy. And Mikayla

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Speaker 1: has already previously spoken about how she really amped up

432
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 1: her being upset about the breakup on her TikTok for views,

433
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: so we don't know how much of this behavior was

434
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Speaker 1: really put on. It also just demonstrates how much power

435
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: he still wielded over her, which really demonstrates an abusive relationship.

436
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Speaker 1: What did you guys think about his strategy of putting

437
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Speaker 1: out this statement. Well, if this was any other PR

438
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 1: crisis management situation, I would agree that a written statement

439
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: was the best move forward for Adis. However, in this

440
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: TikTok age, I actually think it would have been better

441
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: for Addis to read a statement to the camera, particularly

442
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,680
Speaker 1: after Anna released her video statement and confirmed that they

443
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,879
Speaker 1: weren't taking legal action and instead taking it to the

444
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: court of TikTok because it was Attention spans are getting

445
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: shorter and shorter thanks to TikTok, so a lot of

446
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: people couldn't be bothered to read through the twenty pages

447
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 1: of text. Mikayla also faced the same challenge where a

448
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 1: lot of people couldn't be bothered to listen through the

449
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: two and a half hour podcast, but by filming the podcast,

450
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: the most explosive bits can then be cut up and

451
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Speaker 1: shared on TikTok and get that reach. I disagree. I

452
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 1: think it would have been a nightmare to have him

453
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Speaker 1: on camera because he comes across as really smarmy, particularly

454
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Speaker 1: off the back of those unedited videos we've seen where

455
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: he was joking about his format. Yeah, but they didn't

456
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Speaker 1: have PR help. Then I think if he actually stuck

457
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Speaker 1: to a script and was genuinely apologetic, I mean, the

458
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 1: thing is, I don't actually agree with the whole statement

459
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Speaker 1: that was put out. I liked the first bit where

460
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Speaker 1: he started to take accountability and said I should be

461
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Speaker 1: the one that was blamed. I think that he went

462
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Speaker 1: off track when he started showing his own receipts, and

463
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Speaker 1: that's where it got messy. I agree that with Adis,

464
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Speaker 1: a written statement was probably the best way forward, but

465
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Speaker 1: it was just too many slides, too much information. It

466
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 1: needed to be short and concise. They were obviously then

467
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Speaker 1: relying on Anna to come out with the video, as

468
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Speaker 1: you said, to provide those TikTok moments for people to share,

469
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Speaker 1: because she is much more like than Addis. Paul Adas

470
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: getting on camera not necessarily going to help the past. Also,

471
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Speaker 1: do you think that a lot of people don't want

472
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Speaker 1: to see this alleged abuser be platformed in this way.

473
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Speaker 1: We don't want to see his face, we don't want

474
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Speaker 1: to hear him speaking. People want him to disappear. It

475
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: also seems like in the last couple of years he

476
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: very much has stood back from wanting to be in

477
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Speaker 1: the limelight, So putting out a written response kind of

478
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Speaker 1: goes with what he's been doing the last couple of years.

479
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Speaker 1: I just think Addis's statement should have been a lot shorter.

480
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Speaker 1: It should have taken accountability, apologize, and not shown all

481
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Speaker 1: these receipts that Mikhayla is actually in the wrong. Shortly

482
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Speaker 1: after Addis's statement, Anna uploaded a twenty six minute response

483
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: video which was entitled enough is Enough. It was interesting

484
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Speaker 1: to see how she was dressed in this video because

485
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Speaker 1: there was a clear strategy to paint her in a

486
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Speaker 1: more conservative light. She was wearing this white matching knit set.

487
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Speaker 1: It became more evident that this was a tactic when

488
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Speaker 1: we got deeper into the video, because she started downplaying

489
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: the content that she shares on OnlyFans while seeming to

490
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: Shae mca Taylor for her content, pointing out that Mikhayla

491
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: has recently shot videos of her and her fiance having sex.

492
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: Even as she said sexual intercourse, it was like she

493
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: was trying to be kid friendly. Yeah, like playing into

494
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Speaker 1: this character that she puts out on TikTok. I mean,

495
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people have commented that her voice is different.

496
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: She puts on a child voice, and it looked like

497
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: the video was shot in an apartment overseas. There were

498
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Speaker 1: reports at the time that fans spotted her at the

499
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Speaker 1: airport with her mama, supposedly fleeing the country, which is

500
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Speaker 1: quite funny because Anna is literally always traveling over the weekend.

501
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: She confirmed she's spending time in London. A couple of

502
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: weeks ago she was in the US, so this doesn't

503
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: really seem to be different to her normal behavior now.

504
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: She began this video by addressing her role in the

505
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: leaked YouTube video about Addis's underage ex girlfriend who, for

506
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Speaker 1: the sake of her privacy, we are going to be

507
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: calling Jane to refresh your memory. In that leaked video,

508
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: Anna denied that the Polls sent Jane a fake legal

509
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: letter and blamed their non existent manager for sending it.

510
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: In the snippet, she also kept referring to Jane as

511
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: a little girl, which was really patronizing, and she admitted

512
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: to driving over to her house to confront and intimidate

513
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: her when she was only fourteen years old. Now, Anna

514
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: said that she made a huge mistake by appearing in

515
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: this video and said that she had no right to

516
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: speak about a relationship she wasn't in, as only the

517
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: people in that relationship truly know what went on. And

518
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: it's for this reason that she said that she wasn't

519
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: going to be addressing Adis and Michaela's relationship in her

520
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: video and would only be talking about herself, which I

521
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: think was a bit of a cop out. It is

522
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: a complete cop out, and it's really disappointing that Anna

523
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: is not addressing these very serious claims about domestic violence

524
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: and sexual assault. Yes, it is not her place to

525
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: defend her brother, but she needs to actually address the

526
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: allegations if she's going to put out a video talking

527
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: about this issue, I agree that it's disappointing, But can

528
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: you imagine the PR team when they'd worked out that excuse,

529
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: we've got it. Well, I just think it's very convenient,

530
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: isn't it, Because these allegations other driving force behind why

531
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Mikayla is speaking out, and I think not touching on

532
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: these allegations provides no context at all. Yeah, I mean

533
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious that again, their strategy is, let's throw

534
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: out a bunch more frivolous allegations that it's going to

535
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit titillating for TikTok to hear about.

536
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: But people are going to forget about those sexual abuse allegations.

537
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: The thing is so many people brought into it, Like

538
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: I saw so many tiktoks saying, oh, I'm now team Anna,

539
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: and I was like, do we see the same video? Well,

540
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: I think that's also a cop out, because if anyone

541
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: knew what this relationship was really like, it was Anna Paula.

542
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they live together, they travel together, they seem

543
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: to apparently film OnlyFans content together. She would know more

544
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: about their dynamic as a couple. Than anyone else, making

545
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: her an acceptable person to comment on it. And I

546
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: think Abby Chatfield really hit the nail on the head

547
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: when she said that the real reason Anna shouldn't have

548
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: been in that video about Jane is because she was

549
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: literally discrediting a victim, not because she was talking on

550
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: behalf of someone else's relationship. Yeah. So she's happy to

551
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: get involved in intimidating an underage victim, but she doesn't

552
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: want to now get involved when there's serious allegations leveled

553
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: against her brother. Yeah now she they're went on to

554
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: confirm that she hasn't taken any legal action against Michayla,

555
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: saying when a woman has a story to tell, she

556
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: should be able to come online and freely tell that story. Now.

557
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: She said, the reason they haven't lodged a defamation case

558
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: against Mikayla is because of the cost and the length

559
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: of time that it takes for an outcome. She said,

560
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: if they went down that route, they wouldn't be able

561
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: to respond publicly for years, So they wouldn't be able

562
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: to come on TikTok and show their side of things,

563
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: which is clearly very important to them. I find it

564
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating that the polls would rather this play out

565
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: in the court of TikTok rather than the Australian legal system.

566
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Anna cited the costs of the Lisa Wilkinson

567
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: and Rebel Wilson defamation cases that were heard recently. And

568
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: I actually think they're taking inspiration from the Johnny Depp

569
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: and her defamation trial while there was an actual trial

570
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: in the US because of the way their legal system is,

571
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: and that you can actually watch the court case on TV.

572
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: People were clipping up bits of the court case and

573
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: Amber heard was completely demonized, even though she was making

574
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: serious accusations against Johnny Depp. And I think they've gone, oh, well,

575
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Speaker 1: we don't have to pay all this money for lawyers.

576
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: Let's just air our own court of TikTok and we'll

577
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: put out all of these defenses and then she can

578
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: come back at us, and we'll come back at her

579
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: and we don't have to follow any legal rules.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the reality is there really are no winners

582
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: in these defamation cases. One people lose out so much

583
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: in legal fees, and two there's so much dirt which

584
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: gets spoken in court that is so damaging. And the

585
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: polls have gone, look, we don't want to wait years.

586
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: We don't want this to continue on because this is

587
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: going to be so damaging to our brand. By the

588
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: time this gets heard in a court, everyone's going to

589
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: be over it. The damage is going to be done

590
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: for both of them, So both parties, it's actually better

591
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: that this does play out on TikTok. Yeah, when it

592
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: comes to defamation, you actually have to prove how much

593
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: of your livelihood has been impacted. I mean, I am

594
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: assuming that Anna Paul skincare brand Paulie has taken a

595
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: massive financial hit. But maybe Adas Paul can't prove he's

596
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: been financially impacted by these allegations. And there's also the

597
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: truth defense at the end of the day as well.

598
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Maybe they can't defend a lot of these claims.

599
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 6: Now.

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00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: Anna went on to address the long list of supposed

601
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: lies that Michayla aired on her podcast. So Ada denied

602
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: that Adas took her OnlyFans content, and she attempted to

603
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: laugh this off by saying how gross it was and

604
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: that Mikayla was merely playing into the long standing online rumors.

605
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: This is quite funny because she tried to disprove this

606
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: allegation by sharing a screenshot from their group chat, which

607
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: interestingly was called rich and Famous, which shows how they

608
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: view themselves. Wasn't there another group chat going around called

609
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: millionaires and Billionaires? But I was embarrassed for them very

610
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: cringe now. In this screenshot, the two women were discussing

611
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: Jane's identical claims that Adas takes Anna's only fans content,

612
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: and Anna wrote she said Adas takes my only fance picks.

613
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: What ha ha ha, She's a nutcase, to which Mikayla responded, yuck,

614
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: what the fuck, fucking weird bitch. I want to kill

615
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: her now. What Anna didn't realize though, is by sharing

616
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: this screenshot, she actually confirmed that Adis has taken her

617
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: OnlyFans content in the past, because if you read the

618
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: full conversation, Anna continued, saying, I didn't even have only

619
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: fans when they were together. The only only fans thing

620
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: Addis has ever taken of me was in Bali, of

621
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: both of us, but that was two years ago and

622
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: we never said who recorded that. She's confirmed there that

623
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: he did take vision of the two of them in

624
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: bar and wasn't that exactly what Mikayla has well. Anna

625
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: also denied that she keeps buying new dogs, so she

626
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: went through a timeline of the dogs that she owned

627
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: throughout her childhood. She did conveniently leave out the fact

628
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: that Addis had bought a puppy for her called Prince,

629
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Speaker 1: who Glenn now takes care of. She also denied abusing

630
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: her birds, so she confirmed that she had never clipped

631
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: their wings, but she did admit that she was forced

632
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: to rehome three of the four birds as they would

633
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 1: attack one another. It's quite awkward because Anna gave her

634
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: dad the job of finding buyers for these birds, and

635
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: she shed these screenshots showing him wheeling and dealing, and

636
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: in the text message exchange, you can see that substantial

637
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: money was being negotiated for the birds. There was upwards

638
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: of one thousand dollars being paid, and Anna was trying

639
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: to prove that she really cared about finding them a

640
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: good home, but it seemed like they were after a

641
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: good price for the birds. Yeah, because when she said

642
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: she rehomed them, I thought, oh, maybe she sent them

643
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: off to a wildlife sanctuary to have a better life

644
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: because she could no longer take care of them. But

645
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Speaker 1: it just seemed like they were trying to get money

646
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Speaker 1: out of the situation. To be fair, I thought the

647
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: same thing, Kate. But then I realized, sometimes when you

648
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: are selling a pet, it is better to put a

649
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Speaker 1: figure down because some people will just take anything for free,

650
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: or abuse it or feed it or whatever. Well, Anna

651
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: said that Michaela's allegations about her pets was just one

652
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Speaker 1: huge projection, and then she dropped this bomb that Mikayla

653
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: had apparently re homed her cat, Mikel. Here's what she said.

654
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Speaker 6: I think that this whole thing, this whole animal thing,

655
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 6: is just one huge projection from Michayla because the second

656
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 6: her cat was a minor inconvenience to her, she had

657
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 6: her assistant drive her cap to the closest shelter and

658
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: dump him. Where is your cat, Mikchayla, Where was he

659
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 6: rehome to? You don't know because you don't care.

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00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: It's terrible because when that photo popped up of Michayla's cat,

661
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but laugh because I just thought, this

662
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: drama has just gotten so low, like everyone, you returned

663
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: your cat. Well, because she shared a Facebook photo of

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Speaker 1: Mikel looking kind of sad at this adoption place like

665
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: it was. It was a photo saying can you adopt Mikkel,

666
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: currently residing at pet Barne Arndale Now. Michayla has since

667
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: responded to these claims, saying that Anna is trying to deflect,

668
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: and she confirmed she had no choice but to rehome

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Speaker 1: Michel as he was better suited to a one cat

670
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: household because kept attacking her other cats.

671
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 6: Now.

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00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Anna also touched on the controversy that erupted last year

673
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Speaker 1: when Veruka Sult claimed that her dad, Hans Paul, was homeless.

674
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: So Anna confirmed that her dad does live in a van,

675
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: but claims he's not homeless. She showed a screenshot of

676
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: his van life Instagram account and said that his family

677
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: used to drive around Europe in a van and he

678
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: loves it. She then provided a screenshot she said took

679
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: place before the homeless rumors started, telling her dad if

680
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: he needs money, any amount at any time, she'll send it.

681
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: She then showed other screenshots of her sending her dad

682
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: almost sixty thousand dollars and reiterated that she funds all

683
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: of his overseas trips. I found Anna's robutto quite amusing

684
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: because she's like, he's not homeless, he lives in a van.

685
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: What she needed to say was he is homeless by

686
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: choice because he really enjoys his bath. And it didn't

687
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: help when Anna provided the receipts to say that she'd

688
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: sent her dad almost sixty thousand dollars. It's like, well,

689
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: then why does he need these handouts if he is

690
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: self sufficient and doesn't need money. Ruker made a good

691
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: point because it seems as though, yes, he is living

692
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: in this fan but Anna has made it sound as

693
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: though he's off exploring different parts of Australia. But from

694
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: all reports, he is just staying in the Pool's area. Yeah,

695
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: there's been so many recent sightings of him on TikTok

696
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: because Anna has spoken about him living in a van.

697
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Now everybody is posting ons is he a dad? It

698
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: down at the shop. It's also because Michayla has basically

699
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: said where he hangs out at this particular bar and

700
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: his name the bar.

701
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 6: Now.

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00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: Anna went on to deny fat, shaming her ex boyfriend

703
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Glenn and his family. She said that Michayla is attempting

704
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: to take away everything she stands for and wants to

705
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: destroy her reputation as a body positive influencer. She said

706
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: she doesn't use the word fat in a derogatory way,

707
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: and explained that she and Glenn had been worried about

708
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: his father's health for quite some time. Anna also addressed

709
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the close set eyes controversy. She denied making comments about

710
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer and Erica Tider, saying Michayla was projecting her

711
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: own insecurities about her eyes. He's part of what she said.

712
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 6: Michayla was the most insecure person that I have ever

713
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 6: met in my life, and I was always there to

714
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 6: support her and make her feel beautiful and make her

715
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: feel good. And now she has come out and said

716
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 6: that apparently I have said that everybody's eyes are too

717
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 6: close together, like there with a tape measure, like, oh,

718
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 6: your eyes are too close together, Like I'm the crazy

719
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 6: supermodel with the most like it is crazy to me.

720
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 6: And the thing is that Michayla's eyes were often a

721
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 6: topic of discussion for us, and she needed constant reassurance

722
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 6: that she was beautiful and that her eyes were beautiful.

723
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 6: And this whole thing is so crazy to me.

724
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: Anna then alleged that Michayla had twisted the story, saying

725
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: that she was jealous because atis like the two girls

726
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: in question. She then followed up with what she called

727
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: an actual receipt showing a conversation with who she referred

728
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: to as the real Michayla. For some context, this conversation

729
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: was about a photo of influencer Isabelle. Let's throw to

730
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: what she.

731
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 6: Said, without the eyeliner, her eyes are so fucking small

732
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 6: on her face, it does not work. Now she needed

733
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 6: constant reassurance for her own beauty, which I always gave her.

734
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 6: And she said, do I look like her without eyeliner?

735
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 6: And I rea showed her A said no, not even closed.

736
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 6: She said, because whenever I see her without eyeliner, I'm like,

737
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 6: holy fucking shit, please put some eyeliner on. Then I

738
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: reassured her again, and she says, and you know how

739
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 6: addicted I am into eyeliner.

740
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: Thank frick.

741
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 6: Yes, I do know. It was a constant topic of conversation.

742
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 6: But again I tried to kindly reassure.

743
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 4: Her, and I said, don't even worry.

744
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 6: You basically look the same without eyeliner, so never feel

745
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 6: insecure about it. And she's like, thank you so much,

746
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 6: I love you. That was a normal conversation for us.

747
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 6: Yet now apparently I'm out here calling all these influences

748
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 6: saying they.

749
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: All have ugly eyes. Now. Mikayla has since responded, saying

750
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: that her comments have been taken out of context by Anna.

751
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: She again showed the full conversation, revealing Anna was the

752
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: one who initially sent the screenshot of Isabelle Clark and

753
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 1: wrote fuck you. She's suggesting she looks like Bella had died.

754
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: Adis wrote fuck that screenshot for fuck's sake, Fuck's sake, man.

755
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Mikayla wrote back, I feel bad. I guess she's making

756
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: do with what she's got. Can't hate on her for that.

757
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: Anna then said she probably took shit about us too,

758
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and said her eyes cut off halfway through. That's what

759
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: Michayla made her response about the eyeliner and made a typo.

760
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: She claimed she was speaking about herself and not Isabelle now.

761
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: As for Jack Cooper, Anna said he was one of

762
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: her favorite influences and she loves him dearly. She also

763
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: alleged that Michayla was making these claims to take everything

764
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: away from her that makes her her, and she tried

765
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: to prove the level of friendship that she and Jack

766
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: had by showing how many dms that they'd sent back

767
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: and forward over the years. She did blur out his

768
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: dms for privacy, though, However, she did admit to one

769
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: instance where she spoke badly of him, saying.

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 6: This, before I met him, I didn't know his personality.

771
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 6: I didn't know his sense of humor. I knew nothing

772
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: about him. And if you know Jack Cooper, you know

773
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 6: his humor is very specific. It's a very special type

774
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 6: of human It's very different. And at the time I

775
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 6: didn't know that. So the one time I said something

776
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 6: bad about him before I knew him, before I met him,

777
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 6: this was a very long time ago. He commented something

778
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 6: really really crazy on my Instagram photo, and I sent

779
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 6: him the group chat and said that he's a cloud

780
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 6: chaser because I thought he was trying to get attention. Now.

781
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: Jack has since responded, saying if the twenty twenty one

782
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: version of him at knew Anna had called him a

783
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: cloud chaser behind his back, he would have literally been

784
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: bed riddle. He was also at a loss as to

785
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: what he posted to elicit the response from her, and

786
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: he said that the blurred out dms were misleading and

787
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: made it look like they constantly spoken were friends, but

788
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: in reality, the majority of the messages were just responses

789
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 1: to Stories Now, there were so many allegations for Anna

790
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: to address that she did a rapid fire segment, so

791
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: she denied talking shit about Michayla in German, claiming she

792
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: and Addis don't know how to write in German. She

793
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: also denied their house got demolished because it smelt of animal,

794
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: and she touched on Michayla's claims that she ran an

795
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: illegal lottery, saying a quick Google search confirmed it was legal.

796
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: In this response video, it was really clear that Anna

797
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: was trying to assassinate Michayla's character. I mean, I get

798
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: that Michayla is essentially doing the same thing to her

799
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: in her podcast series, but it feels really wrong to

800
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: see someone doing this too a victim, particularly when your

801
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: brother is the accused perpetrator. Anna claims she wanted to

802
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: show people how she actually treated Mikayla during their friendship,

803
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: and did so by sharing screenshots discussing Michayla's alleged schizophrenia.

804
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: The screenshots showed Anna writing does your schizophrenia affect your

805
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: everyday life significantly? Because if yes, I wonder if maybe

806
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: you should get some extra professional help. She then played

807
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: a voice note urging Michayla to get help and saying

808
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: don't worry, they're not going to force pills down your throat.

809
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: Now.

810
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: For me, the purpose of this wasn't to prove how

811
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: caring she was to Michayla. It was literally to remind

812
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: her followers that Michayla has mental health issues, which she

813
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: has spoken about in depth herself, and to try and

814
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: discredit Michayla's version of events, which I found so disgusting.

815
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there hasn't been more about this online because

816
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I think this was the lowest part of Anna's clap

817
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: back video because she really was shaming her and it

818
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: was kind of like, as you said this, excuse well,

819
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: cow lovely, I am no, You're actually trying to put

820
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: her on blasts and say she has schizophrenia. This actually

821
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: backed up a lot of Michaela's claims in her podcast

822
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: about how Anna would gaslight her and say that she

823
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: was just trying to do something nice, but it was

824
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: actually this backhanded thing to Michayla. Yeah, and Anna finished

825
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: this video by summing up all the reasons people shouldn't

826
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: trust Michayla. It almost felt like she was in this

827
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: election campaign video and pointing out all the facts. Despite

828
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: starting the video by essentially saying it wasn't her place

829
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: to defend her brother's actions, she tried to paint Michaela

830
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: as a hypocrite, saying that she dated rapper kid Larroy

831
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: when he was underage. She also made some very serious allegations,

832
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: saying that Michayla sent nudes to fourteen year old boys

833
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: in a group chat when she was nineteen, and she

834
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: then went on to strangely downplay her own OnlyFans content,

835
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: saying that she's never shared a photo of her bad

836
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: chest on there, whilst Mikayla shares videos of her having

837
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: sex with her fiance. It was very odd. Yeah, I

838
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: found this part very uncomfortable and quite troubling, considering that

839
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: Mikayla has come out and said that she's a victim

840
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and sexual assault. But then Anna tries

841
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: to turn the script and say that Mikayla is actually

842
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: a perpetrator of this type of behavior. Now, Mikayla confirmed

843
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: that when she first met kid LaRoy, he told her

844
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: he was older and was attending an eighteen plus venue

845
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: with his older group of friends. She said that she

846
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: didn't have a relationship with him until a year and

847
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: a half after they met, when he was at consenting age.

848
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: She also said the screenshots of the supposed chat Anna

849
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: shared was taken out of context. She said that the

850
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: photo Anna blurred out was not a nude and was

851
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: actually a photo of her in Addis's T shirt. She

852
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: said it was a group chat with a bunch of

853
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: her friends and two boys who said they were over eighteen. Now,

854
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: to end the video, Anna left viewers with a final receipt.

855
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Here's what she said.

856
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 6: So I'm going to leave you with one final receipt.

857
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 6: This receipt is the real Mikayla. This is how she

858
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 6: is behind closed doors. This isn't the Mikayla that's manipulating

859
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 6: the internet. This is a Mikayla that you don't know.

860
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 6: This is the real reason that she started all of this.

861
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 4: My goal is to make sure she doesn't fucking post

862
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 4: a thing, because remember how I told you she would

863
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: always copy me. She would always steal my stories, steal

864
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: my personality, everything, the car I did, all of that

865
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: she stole from me. I'm supposed to be the one

866
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: with seven million followers. I'm going to be vlogging after

867
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: this and everyone's going to need someone to watch because

868
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: everyone's addicted to watching her that they're going to watch

869
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: me And I'm going to live that life that I

870
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: should have had.

871
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: And this doesn't come from jealousy.

872
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 2: This just comes from a siphoning energy bitch.

873
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: I think Anna thought that she had a real checkmate

874
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: there with this receipt. But if anything, I think it

875
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: actually made people like Michayla more because it's never been

876
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: a secret that she's been trying to bring Anna Poul down. Yeah,

877
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean that was the whole point of this podcast

878
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: that she said, I'm not the perfect victim. Anna Poul

879
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: should not be platformed the way she is. She has

880
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: actually stolen my upbringing story. And essentially it's not a

881
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: surprise that MICHAELA would say behind the scenes, I deserve

882
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: that following her because she's taken my life story and

883
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: presented it as her own. I saw so many people

884
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: on TikTok saying that that audio grab was worthy of

885
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: being in a movie trailer. I loved it, like it

886
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: actually just made me like her more. And what I

887
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: also really liked is that Mikayla was able to jump

888
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: on her TikTok instantly after Anna uploaded her response video.

889
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw Anna take two weeks to come

890
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: up with a reply. But Mikayla was right on it,

891
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: and she said that the difference between her and Anna

892
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: Paul is that she doesn't get on TikTok and preach

893
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: that she's perfect. Throw to some of what she.

894
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: Said, Anna Paul is doing to me exactly what she

895
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: did to his ex girlfriend, trying to paint them as

896
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: some sort of crazy liar. The voice message at the

897
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: end of Anna Paul's video is facts. I'll post that

898
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: to my own account. I'll say that with my full chest.

899
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: You stole everything about me, all of my ideas, everything,

900
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: You stole it all, even the goddamn story about your upbringing,

901
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 2: the homeless shelters, eating food.

902
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Babes ha ha ha is all I have to fucking

903
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: say about that. She continued, saying, of course, she doesn't

904
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: want to see her post again or plaster her brother

905
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: up as though he's this nice guy. I was shocked, though,

906
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: that a lot of people were buying into Anna Paul's commentary.

907
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: There were people saying, oh Anna's come with the real receipts,

908
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: and I think we all owe Anna an apology. Surely

909
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: these people are die hard fans, because you can't sit

910
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: and watch all of Mikayla's allegations and then all of

911
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: the other people that have come out of the woodwork Arrukas, Salt,

912
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Anna's own half sister, Addis's two ex girlfriends, Now and

913
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: go on. I think there were people who wanted to

914
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: believe Anna, people who have followed her for such a

915
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: long time, and they thought, oh, maybe some of these

916
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: things have been blown out of proportion, particularly because she

917
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: left out all of the terrible accusations level to add us.

918
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: I think that that really made it seem like this

919
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: trivial thing when you don't include allegations about sexual assault

920
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: and domestic violence. But I think as soon as Mikayla

921
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: and Ruker hit back that night refuting the claims, the

922
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: tide really swung back in Mikayla's direction. It's quite interesting

923
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: to look at the stats because on the day that

924
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Anna released her response video, she did actually gain one

925
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers, but the next day she lost a

926
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: further one hundred thousand. Over the past thirty days, she

927
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: has lost five hundred thousand followers, So it'll be interesting

928
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: to see what happens over the next couple of months

929
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: and how she chooses to post going forward. It's really

930
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: disturbing because all over TikTok, I'm seeing people being asked

931
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: to take aside. So there's businesses who were putting out

932
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: jars saying vote if your team Mikayla or team Anna,

933
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: and and it's really trivializing what has actually gone on.

934
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: And I think that with Anna choosing to go tit

935
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: for tat on a lot of petty issues and refusing

936
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the allegations about her brother, all it's doing

937
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: is pitting these two women against each other and turning

938
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: this into a stereotypical cat fight, when in reality, Mikayla

939
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: and a number of Addis's former partners are raising the

940
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: alarm about this man's behavior. And on that topic, On Wednesday,

941
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: just before six pm Australian time, and before Anna and

942
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: Adas put their statements out, the Telegraph ran with the

943
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: exclusive story that Adis Paul was sentenced for statutory rape.

944
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: The publication reported that, according to court documents, Adas pled

945
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge of a girl

946
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: aged twelve to sixteen, which relate to a series of

947
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: incidents between December twenty seventeen and October twenty eighteen. Adis

948
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: was aged between sixteen and seventeen at the time of

949
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: the offending. MICHAELA was not the complainant in the case. Now,

950
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: carnal knowledge refers to engaging in sexual intercourse with a

951
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: person under the age of consent. In Queensland, the age

952
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: of consent is sixteen and cannot be given by individuals

953
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: under age as they are deemed incapable of making informed

954
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: decisions about such matters. Now, despite being under eighteen at

955
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: the time of the offense, Adis was dealt with as

956
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: an adult because the criminal proceedings commenced in twenty twenty two,

957
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: when he was twenty one. He was sentenced at Southport

958
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: District Court in twenty twenty three, and despite pleading guilty,

959
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: no convictions were recorded. Instead, Adas was issued a one

960
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: thy five hundred recognisance, given a twelve month good behavior

961
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: bond and ordered to pay five hundred dollars in compensation.

962
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: What I find really interesting about this news is the

963
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: fact that there have been so many people online, including Mikayla,

964
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: saying he is a convicted rapist. But what this has

965
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: pointed out is he actually wasn't convicted, And I've seen

966
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people on TikTok, even Abby Chatfield running

967
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: with it saying, oh, he's a convicted this and that

968
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: people need to be really careful because this is where

969
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: you can find yourself in trouble. Yeah. I mean, even

970
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: though the Pauls have said that they aren't going to

971
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: be following this up legally, I do think people need

972
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: to be very careful moving forward the language that they use. Yes,

973
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: he did plead guilty to three charges of carnal knowledge

974
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: and he was sentenced for statutory rate, but there wasn't

975
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: a conviction actually recorded, presumably because he was under the

976
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: age of eighteen at the time. Away from the language,

977
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: this article has been extremely damaging for the Paul family.

978
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of media run with these allegations. Now,

979
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: obviously it was the Telegraph that picked up on this first.

980
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: They did a great job of sourcing these court documents

981
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: and breaking this story. I mean, we were calling out

982
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: for media, please ye find these documents. I mean, we

983
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: had viewed them ourselves, but there are legalities around reporting

984
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: on these type of documents. You have to be very

985
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: careful with what you say. It would be a huge

986
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: relief for Mikayla and also the other alleged victims to

987
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: actually have this in print and to feel like there

988
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: is a publication who's taking it seriously and it's done

989
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: the due diligence to actually look into it. Over the weekend,

990
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: it was interesting because a member of the public actually

991
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: captured footage of Attis in the wild. So in the

992
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: phone vision he appeared to be standing at an alternative

993
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: medicine counter at surface Paradise with what people are thinking

994
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: is his new girlfriend. So Hostin is not traveling with

995
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Anna because Anna's in London at the moment. Well, I

996
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: don't think she'd want to be seen with him. The

997
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: girl in the vision did look very young, and people

998
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: who went to school with the girl have written into

999
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: these gossip forums saying that she's around twenty years of

1000
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: age now. Mikayla re shared the video and wrote, this

1001
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: man is known to prey on women on dating apps,

1002
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: uses his sister's fame to impress them and makes them

1003
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: sign NDAs. She also made some other claims that for

1004
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: legal reasons we will not go into, but it was

1005
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: very interesting to see this footage pop up over the weekend.

1006
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: It didn't paint him in a great light. Now, I

1007
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: was actually really relieved on Saturday when Mikayla announced that

1008
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: she would be postponing the release of episode three of

1009
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: her podcast. She said that things need to be moved

1010
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: around and added she also put a call out on

1011
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: her Instagram story for anyone that can interpret German and

1012
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: she also said that she'd been getting requests to platform

1013
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: other victims of the Paul family. So I think episode

1014
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: three may potentially be five hours long. It seems like

1015
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: it's even more so gay mod now that Addison Ander

1016
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: have said that they won't be taking legal action over this.

1017
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: It's like they're waving a red flag to a ball. Well,

1018
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: that is where we're going to leave things today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you

1020
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Speaker 1: do enjoy the show, please leave us a review. This

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Speaker 1: podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana

1022
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Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders

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Speaker 1: past and present.