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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I have Sarah Marshki, who is our
Speaker 1: latest eliminated castaway on Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains. Sarah
Speaker 1: is known for her title role as Miss World Australia
Speaker 1: and while that made headlines on a global scale, it
Speaker 1: was the controversial accusation and that she pushed a competitor
Speaker 1: down a flight of stairs that had her competing as
Speaker 1: a villain in the current explosive series of Australian Survivor.
Speaker 1: I always believe where there is smoke, there's usually fire,
Speaker 1: So we will find out the full story behind Miss
Speaker 1: Greece's claims that Sarah pushed her down the stairs. I
Speaker 1: will unpack George's rivalries and what he is truly like
Speaker 1: to live with twenty four hours a day. We will
Speaker 1: also discuss bullying, trolling and the way Sarah handles the
Speaker 1: scrutiny of a public profile. Plus, we will break down
Speaker 1: the second week of Australian Survivor on Network ten, which
Speaker 1: will give you some exclusives on what actually went down
Speaker 1: during Sarah's makeup free time on the show. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: bring Sarah Marshkin into the podcast and I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. Hi, Sarah, thanks for popping in to
Speaker 1: chat about Australian Survivor.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: We have to start by discussing why you were picked
Speaker 1: in the first place to do Australian Survivor, and you
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so too the little goss. So I'm a beauty queen.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, I was Miss World Australia
Speaker 2: for three years because of COVID and I had a
Speaker 2: bit of controversy while competing at Miss World. Miss Grease
Speaker 2: accused me of pushing her down a set of stairs. Now,
Speaker 2: this did not happen. I wasn't even there, and I
Speaker 2: have so many people replying to me on this season
Speaker 2: going as if she could say that, because obviously it
Speaker 2: didn't happen. But that's just the way it goes and
Speaker 2: beauty pageants it's cutthroat. If you're in the lead or
Speaker 2: you're looking to win, someone's gonna stab you in the back.
Speaker 1: He was greasing the wheels.
Speaker 2: Yes, perfect, Yes, correct. So I was casting for Survivor
Speaker 2: as a villain, which I love. I mean, my whole life.
Speaker 2: Most of my life, I've had to be this good girl,
Speaker 2: someone who bites her tongue and says the right things
Speaker 2: and acts the proper way. So it was really refreshing
Speaker 2: to be able to say things and do things the
Speaker 2: way that I wanted. And I really played into that
Speaker 2: villain character and it made it so enjoyable.
Speaker 1: To film, you know, the controversial accusation that I just
Speaker 1: want to go back to this because I tried to
Speaker 1: find something anywhere where anyone could ask you this question.
Speaker 1: And I kind of believe if something like this exists,
Speaker 1: there has to be some form of truth to it.
Speaker 1: There has to be something where had this person come
Speaker 1: up with to try and conjure such an outrageous thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be based on something. Had
Speaker 1: you prior to this had an argument like, I mean,
Speaker 1: why did she target you? There has to be some truth.
Speaker 2: It was quite bizarre because we were friends. So at
Speaker 2: Miss World, you're popped into these color groups by your country,
Speaker 2: and we were team color Yellow, and she was in
Speaker 2: my team, and I was actually elected to be the leader,
Speaker 2: so I had to be the leader of about twenty countries,
Speaker 2: twenty contestants, and I guess she saw that as a threat.
Speaker 2: Maybe she overheard me getting the phone call, Sarah, you're
Speaker 2: in tire ten. Can you come to this room for
Speaker 2: a private interview? And maybe she didn't like that. But
Speaker 2: the way it actually happened was there's two buses too
Speaker 2: that takes you to different events, and she was on
Speaker 2: one bus. I was on the other bus. And this
Speaker 2: is what the security guards told me because I mentioned
Speaker 2: it to him and showed him the article and said,
Speaker 2: do you know anything about this? Because he's obviously he
Speaker 2: was related to the people that run this world. And
Speaker 2: he goes, well, she tripped down the stairs because I
Speaker 2: was the one that caught her. And I was like,
Speaker 2: was I anywhere near her? I don't know if I remember.
Speaker 2: Was I behind her? And he goes, well, no, you're
Speaker 2: already off the buses inside already, And I was like,
Speaker 2: I thought I was on a different bus. And then
Speaker 2: she ended up spraining her ankle and they put her
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair because she couldn't walk around. And it's
Speaker 2: just bizarre because there was one hundred and eleven countries
Speaker 2: and she picked Miss Australia, who was someone I did
Speaker 2: her hair for her, I helped her with her dress.
Speaker 2: And maybe she didn't like how nice I was and
Speaker 2: saw me as a threat because I was the leader
Speaker 2: and I was in charge of the group. Maybe she
Speaker 2: got offended with how bossy I was, maybe because I
Speaker 2: can be a bossy person, so maybe, but that's all
Speaker 2: I know. And I did send her a message and say, look,
Speaker 2: you need to take this down. This is a complete lie,
Speaker 2: and no one's even asked for my opinion, and she
Speaker 2: completely ignored me, and I was like, I'll sue you,
Speaker 2: and then she still didn't reply and I just left
Speaker 2: it at there.
Speaker 1: Wow. So you've never spoken to her again since this?
Speaker 1: No Christmas cards?
Speaker 2: No Christmas cards? I mean I was boxing at one
Speaker 2: stage and my coach offered to fly her in so
Speaker 2: we could settle this, but that didn't end up happening.
Speaker 2: She didn't reply, so we haven't spoken probably about four
Speaker 2: to three years.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, Okay. If this was The Housewives, the case
Speaker 1: of desist would have been sent by the stage. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what was the harshest things about Australian survivor,
Speaker 1: you know, as a beauty queen going into this environment
Speaker 1: and I can imagine it'd be quite stressful, But what
Speaker 1: was the harshest thing for you as princess?
Speaker 2: As this may sound, probably not having my skin routine,
Speaker 2: deodor ant, being able to shower. That was really difficult
Speaker 2: for me. Not to mention the no food, the no sleep,
Speaker 2: having to have all these interviews when you're sleep deprived
Speaker 2: and you're starving, having to remain sane. It's really difficult.
Speaker 2: I mean Michael who got voted off, I know why
Speaker 2: he was crazy is because we haven't slept, we haven't eaten,
Speaker 2: we're not winning challenges, we're not even showering, and you're
Speaker 2: just not yourself. So pretty much, I guess I'm saying
Speaker 2: all of it was difficult, and it was yeah, really
Speaker 2: really hard. But you know what, I came up with
Speaker 2: my little things. I was exfoliating my skin with mud
Speaker 2: and exfoliating with sand. So I found little things that
Speaker 2: made me feel comfortable and at home, and that's what
Speaker 2: helped me through it.
Speaker 1: How do you think that you came across then on
Speaker 1: the show, because, I mean, you had some great alliances,
Speaker 1: you had some great friendships, and the experience sometimes can
Speaker 1: be different to what you see back on the show.
Speaker 1: But you know, how do you think you've come across
Speaker 1: now that you've watched it.
Speaker 2: I thought that I had built all these wonderful alliances,
Speaker 2: and I thought I was close with everyone, but watching
Speaker 2: it back, I actually hadn't built any I mean I
Speaker 2: thought I was a part of the spice scales, spy
Speaker 2: Skirls were without me. I wasn't a part of that.
Speaker 2: I thought I was friends with Geordie and Simon's alliance.
Speaker 2: Turns out I'm not, as they voted me off. So
Speaker 2: it's so crazy being there and watching it back because
Speaker 2: you don't see those secret conversations and you don't see
Speaker 2: those confessions. So that was really shocking for me, and
Speaker 2: I guess going in as a newbie, you don't quite
Speaker 2: understand the game as much as those returneys do.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, the biggest question I had was
Speaker 1: if you were still under the protection of George, would
Speaker 1: you still be in this competition, because as it played out,
Speaker 1: it looked like you kind of went over to Simon,
Speaker 1: you know, So do you think if you're under George's
Speaker 1: protection you'd still be in the show?
Speaker 2: I think I could have worked with George. We are
Speaker 2: both very different people, and as much as I tried,
Speaker 2: and I tried, and I tried to be interested in
Speaker 2: a politics and his oh if I was president, but
Speaker 2: I just couldn't. We were just so so different. But
Speaker 2: maybe if I was still in his protection, Yes, But
Speaker 2: somewhere down the line, I reckon it would have backfired
Speaker 2: because a lot of people have George on the chopping board,
Speaker 2: and then once they chop him, they chop me.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, George was talking a lot about politics. Everyone
Speaker 1: says that, but we haven't seen that at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've walked out of the show being like, I never
Speaker 1: want to hear your politics again. Hilarious, But we are
Speaker 1: saying that. Do you think that that's a fair representation
Speaker 1: for us to not see that of George? I mean,
Speaker 1: shouldn't we get to see all the dynamics of a
Speaker 1: person on a show like this.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's actually important though, seeing him. Trust me,
Speaker 2: you don't want to hear it. You don't want to
Speaker 2: hear him talk about politics. I think what's important is
Speaker 2: seeing George's gameplay. I don't even think the politics really matter.
Speaker 2: And just for your ears, I'm glad that you didn't
Speaker 2: have to listen to it. But to know the real George,
Speaker 2: he loves to scheme and talk about politics.
Speaker 1: You know. Also, you said to Simon in that little
Speaker 1: part where you're both together separately, and you said that
Speaker 1: George tried to strategize with you. What exactly had he
Speaker 1: been strategy? Like, well, how did that go down? Like?
Speaker 1: What strategies had he been trying to align with you?
Speaker 2: His strategy was more so just saying, Sarah, I've got you.
Speaker 2: No matter what happens, I will keep you safe. And
Speaker 2: at the back of my mind, I'm like, no, you won't.
Speaker 2: You will not keep me safe. So I was pretending going, oh,
Speaker 2: thank you, George, thank you so much, knowing that I've
Speaker 2: already built this alliance that I thought I had with
Speaker 2: Simon and Jordie and all the boys. And that backfired
Speaker 2: because George is a lot smarter than we make him
Speaker 2: out to be. He knew exactly what I was doing. Again,
Speaker 2: he is a politician, I guess, so he is very
Speaker 2: smart in and out of the game, and I definitely
Speaker 2: underestimated him, and that's what got me in trouble.
Speaker 1: George said that the villains are following the loudest voice
Speaker 1: you know, which he says is Simon. Do you think
Speaker 1: that that's true? Do you think that Simon is the
Speaker 1: person who is commanding the villains tribe?
Speaker 2: At the beginning, yes, but week one people were starting
Speaker 2: to figure out, look, this is a bit of the
Speaker 2: Simon show, and he can get really bossy when he
Speaker 2: doesn't get his way. So we started to see the
Speaker 2: real Simon. We thought he was just trying to help
Speaker 2: us out from the beginning, but then we kind of
Speaker 2: figured out, look, this is just about him and is
Speaker 2: a revenge on George, not about anyone else. So we
Speaker 2: sort of figured that out towards the end, and I
Speaker 2: was two and I was the swing vote because I
Speaker 2: was in between. I thought I'd build on alliance with
Speaker 2: George and the girls, but also Simon and Jordan. I
Speaker 2: thought I was in a great place. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm in between here. No one even cares about me,
Speaker 2: but they knew exactly what I was up to, and
Speaker 2: that George figured me out completely.
Speaker 1: You were kind of like in the Spice Girls, the
Speaker 1: same way that Posh Spicy is now, you know, not really, not.
Speaker 2: Really, but slightly, I thought. So that was probably the
Speaker 2: most shocking, And when I saw it on TV, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not a Spice Girl, and I was
Speaker 2: so upset. But that's the way of the game. People
Speaker 2: manipulate and they make out that you are a part
Speaker 2: of it when you're not. So it's quite as much
Speaker 2: as it hurts, and there was a few tears. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting to see the way things work out.
Speaker 1: What was what's made you cry? Like if you've been
Speaker 1: watching the show to make you cry.
Speaker 2: Probably me getting voted out because I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I literally trusted Simon and Jordie and Sean and Liz.
Speaker 2: Those four I trusted with everything. But looking back on it,
Speaker 2: I was like, I totally get it. I totally get it.
Speaker 2: You didn't know because I was in between everyone, so
Speaker 2: I didn't. I wasn't fully committed to people. So I
Speaker 2: totally get it. So that's where the couple of she
Speaker 2: has shed. And especially when I got told what I
Speaker 2: wasn't a part of the Spice Girls and it was George,
Speaker 2: Liz and Sean, and I was like, what about me?
Speaker 2: But totally get it.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to laugh, but I mean it's funny,
Speaker 1: you know in a way, and you kind of have
Speaker 1: to laugh at these things. Oh, you can't really take
Speaker 1: it too seriously. It's easy to dip into it though
Speaker 1: and become emotional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't laugh, you're just going to cry.
Speaker 1: You know. What's interesting to me though, is that everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about George and Simon, and yes, they are powerful players.
Speaker 1: Isn't Seannie a really good strong or isn't she a
Speaker 1: strong contender as well?
Speaker 2: I think everyone underestimates her because athletically. She is not
Speaker 2: a strong player. I mean we saw that in the
Speaker 2: throwing challenge. She doesn't know how to throw a ball
Speaker 2: and she doesn't know how to do I would say
Speaker 2: challenges that include balls, throwing balls, kicking balls, anything to
Speaker 2: do with that. So I think people really underestimate her,
Speaker 2: which is what can get her fart in the competition.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing. She plays such a sweet,
Speaker 2: innocent girl to everyone behind the scenes. I was in
Speaker 2: utter shock. I was like, damn, she's sassy and she
Speaker 2: was saying all these things I didn't expect her to say.
Speaker 2: And yeah, she just has an amazing social game. I
Speaker 2: had no idea that her and Liz were so close,
Speaker 2: and she just kept it all on the down load.
Speaker 2: So it was really fascinating.
Speaker 1: You didn't think, Wow, this woman. We've had eight seasons
Speaker 1: of Australian Survivor and she's been in half of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's got to be being brought back for a reason exactly.
Speaker 2: But you know what, she plays it so so well.
Speaker 2: It just goes over your head and you're like, Oh,
Speaker 2: she's not even here to win. She's just here to
Speaker 2: have fun, I guess, But no, she's there to win.
Speaker 1: And at this point of the game, how much do
Speaker 1: the villains really know what's happening over the villains know
Speaker 1: about what's happening over the Hero's Tribe?
Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing. We're not even we can't even talk at
Speaker 2: challenges unless we're in the middle of like wrestling each other.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, how are you, Bud and that type
Speaker 2: of thing. But we don't get to have conversations with them,
Speaker 2: so we have no idea until we get to a
Speaker 2: challenge and they're like, oh, this person's been voted off,
Speaker 2: so we have no idea, just like they have no idea.
Speaker 2: What's happening with us?
Speaker 1: Do you think any of the villains are going to
Speaker 1: make it to Merge? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me, We us villains. We are there to
Speaker 2: play hard, and I think we are so good at manipulating,
Speaker 2: so so good. So I feel like, definitely there's going
Speaker 2: to be quite a lot of us making it through.
Speaker 1: Should the villains be trusting Jerry though, I mean, who
Speaker 1: do you think he will actually play for after such
Speaker 1: a brutal exit. I mean, you saw the brutal exit
Speaker 1: from the Hero's Tribe and then send over to you guys,
Speaker 1: But I mean, who is who can trust Jerry?
Speaker 2: Really at this point, I felt as though I could
Speaker 2: trust him while I was there. I totally get him
Speaker 2: voting me out, considering he's trying to survive. Totally get it.
Speaker 2: He's going with everyone's vote. I feel like he can
Speaker 2: be trustworthy because what the knowledge we had was he said, look,
Speaker 2: they've kicked me out. But I had a decision to
Speaker 2: come to you guys, So we thought, great, he's run
Speaker 2: to us like a headless shilk. He needs someone to
Speaker 2: care for him, and we're there with open arms to
Speaker 2: accept him. And I felt like at the time that
Speaker 2: we could really.
Speaker 1: Trust him, I'd be like dubious. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think he even knows. I mean, he's looking to me
Speaker 1: like he's shocked at how welcome everyone has been, So
Speaker 1: that's making him feel a little bit confused. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: this season is about sexism in the Survivor game, because
Speaker 1: Survivor is a social experiment, and I wondered whether the
Speaker 1: dynamics of men versus women play into this game. I mean,
Speaker 1: how much of that affects the gameplay.
Speaker 2: I do agree, I feel as though men drift to
Speaker 2: men women drift to women, and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I think in the hero's tribe, watching back on it,
Speaker 2: the males, all four of them, I think it was
Speaker 2: I get it because they're all athletes of some type,
Speaker 2: so they bond over that. But you see, in the
Speaker 2: heroes tribe, we were all so so different, so we
Speaker 2: were able to bond over different things because we're getting
Speaker 2: to know each other. So I feel as though we
Speaker 2: were lucky. But as for the heroes, I found that
Speaker 2: they found it quite challenging because they were bonding over things.
Speaker 2: Because Shanny, even Shanny and Jerry, I mean, she lost
Speaker 2: her grandfather, automatic bond. I get that. The boys, they're
Speaker 2: all ex athletes, all current athletes, and they're they're very fit,
Speaker 2: and they train a lot. They've bonded over that. I
Speaker 2: think it can benefit them in the game. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're going to end up
Speaker 2: being voted out because I don't know how to explain this.
Speaker 2: It seems as though you can't be trusted because you
Speaker 2: haven't had the time to build those alliances with other people,
Speaker 2: so and you don't care about the other people, So
Speaker 2: that's what's going to get you in the game is
Speaker 2: you need to make sure you're making everyone trusted trusted? Sorry,
Speaker 2: what's I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: The reason why I was asking that was I think
Speaker 1: it's very interesting and very telling that when you look
Speaker 1: at Survivor as a social experiment and then you look
Speaker 1: at the world today, we think that there's less of
Speaker 1: men versus women. But I thought it was interesting, like
Speaker 1: with Benjamin Law building that fake idol as a gay man,
Speaker 1: you know, people were like, oh, you know, don't trust him,
Speaker 1: don't trust him. You know, he's being mischievous. Had a
Speaker 1: straight male been able to make that idol, they would
Speaker 1: have been like, yes, champion him. So it's really interesting
Speaker 1: to see the dynamics of how Survivor plays out and
Speaker 1: how telling it is about society and that men do
Speaker 1: stick with men and women do stick with women. So
Speaker 1: that was kind of the interesting thing. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think that if Benjamin Law had made that idol,
Speaker 1: that fake idol as you know, one of those boys,
Speaker 1: do you think that he would have been applauded or
Speaker 1: do you think he would have been crucified.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to know in today's society. Honestly, it's
Speaker 2: so hard to know where people's head's at. I feel
Speaker 2: like people just love to complain about absolutely anything. They're
Speaker 2: so bored with their lives and so they just want
Speaker 2: to complain about absolutely everything. I even feel like if
Speaker 2: I made that, I would be crucified and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: she's such a bimbo, Like why would she do that.
Speaker 2: I feel like everyone is constantly being crucified. I had
Speaker 2: no idea that Ben actually got all that backlash. I
Speaker 2: had no idea. And this is the thing for me,
Speaker 2: I never actually pay attention to the news or the comments.
Speaker 2: That's the one thing I will never do. I will
Speaker 2: never search out my name because I don't want to
Speaker 2: see what's in the news articles. I only want to
Speaker 2: see the positive, and the positivity is my text messages
Speaker 2: and my calls from my family, and that's what's more
Speaker 2: important for me. So seriously, in today's age, people are
Speaker 2: going to complain about absolutely everything. No matter what you do,
Speaker 2: it could be positive. You could be feeling yourself and
Speaker 2: post a bikini photo. It's twenty twenty three. People need
Speaker 2: to start accepting bodies, but there's people still commenting on
Speaker 2: that and it's not your right to do so. So
Speaker 2: I feel like people should just if it's not nice,
Speaker 2: then just don't say it, especially when it's not you.
Speaker 2: You don't have a right to comment on someone's appearance
Speaker 2: or their gender, or whether they're gay or they're straight.
Speaker 2: It's not your place. Just move on with your life,
Speaker 2: focus on what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It is really interesting, though, I mean, I was talking
Speaker 1: to Kyle Sanderlans last week and he was saying, isn't
Speaker 1: it fascinating that we all want to go and connect
Speaker 1: to the negative comments rather than the positive? Like if
Speaker 1: we only just read the positive comments, we'd think we're amazing. However,
Speaker 1: they get skimmed over and then we focus on the
Speaker 1: one or two things that's quite negative. It's an interesting conundrum.
Speaker 2: It is, it is, And I know that he's been
Speaker 2: having actually a lot of backlash with I've been fascinating enough.
Speaker 2: I've been hearing on the radio the poor guy. They're
Speaker 2: just accusing him of being too soft, or he's too mean,
Speaker 2: or is this and he's that, And it's oddly getting
Speaker 2: to which is so strange because he seems so sure
Speaker 2: of himself. But when you get so much of it,
Speaker 2: I totally get it. It can be horrific being so young.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was announced Miss Australia when I was
Speaker 2: only nineteen, and so imagine just graduating high school and
Speaker 2: the backlash. I don't think I received anything positive. I
Speaker 2: was called fat, ugly, I was told, in quotation marks
Speaker 2: you have saggy jugs. I was told everything about me,
Speaker 2: how imperfect or how disgusting I am. I'm never going
Speaker 2: to win. I'm this, I'm that, And it really affected me.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm grateful that that happened
Speaker 2: at such a young age because now as I'm twenty three,
Speaker 2: I'm growing up. I'm a young woman. Things don't affect
Speaker 2: me so much. I'm just so much stronger than what
Speaker 2: I used to be.
Speaker 1: Well, what advice do you have for young girls then
Speaker 1: that are out there, that are on social media? Is
Speaker 1: there something that you learned, is there something specific? Was
Speaker 1: there a key to you being able to switch off?
Speaker 2: So coming from a girl that's been brutally bullied through
Speaker 2: high school, I moved to Sydney and year in year
Speaker 2: eleven and year eleven and twelve, I was brutally bullied
Speaker 2: at school, at home, the messages, the fake profiles that
Speaker 2: were made of me, the comments. I actually had to
Speaker 2: move states because that's how brutal was. I was going
Speaker 2: to school, I was getting picked and pushed in a
Speaker 2: circle to get bashed, and they did it because I
Speaker 2: was different. I'm a country girl. I mean, I come
Speaker 2: from Bunderberg and I came to the big Smoke. I'm
Speaker 2: a bit more twangy in country than others. I'm nice
Speaker 2: and sweet, I would say, and they just they didn't
Speaker 2: like it, and they thought it was different and wrong.
Speaker 2: I got water bombed, I got my phone stolen, my
Speaker 2: food was stolen from me. So someone that's been so
Speaker 2: brutally bullied, I will say, do not. You cannot let
Speaker 2: it affect you. You can let it affect you maybe
Speaker 2: for that first week because you're allowed to feel those
Speaker 2: feelings and those emotions. But then you need to rise
Speaker 2: up from it and you need to think, sir, there
Speaker 2: is absolutely nothing wrong with me, only those people and
Speaker 2: something that's really special for me. My mum always told me,
Speaker 2: if someone is mean to you, it's because they're going
Speaker 2: through something. It has nothing to do with you and
Speaker 2: what you have done. And throughout my whole life, honestly,
Speaker 2: that's all I think about when someone would say anything
Speaker 2: rude or punch me. I would just pause and be like,
Speaker 2: are you okay? Why are you acting like this? Like
Speaker 2: what's happening here? So that's the way I view things
Speaker 2: is it's literally not me. It's those people who may
Speaker 2: feel alone, they're going through something at home, or they're
Speaker 2: struggling with mental health, that are the ones bullying you.
Speaker 2: So I've twisted it around and I have an understanding now.
Speaker 2: So I feel as though, just you can't let it
Speaker 2: affect you because it's not you. You're totally perfect the
Speaker 2: way you are. It's just those people. They're obviously dealing
Speaker 2: with something.
Speaker 1: Normally ask for like a behind the scenes secret, but
Speaker 1: we're not doing that because we don't want to sort
Speaker 1: of peel the onion with survival. We want to keep
Speaker 1: those secrets intact. But I've been asking everyone who is
Speaker 1: your pick to win? Because not who you might know,
Speaker 1: because you might know different things, but who do you
Speaker 1: think when you walked out the tribal council did you
Speaker 1: think was going to win?
Speaker 2: So I after you get kicked out, they actually ask
Speaker 2: you this question. They're like, oh, who do you think
Speaker 2: is going to win? I voted for phrase and the
Speaker 2: reason I voted for him when leaving is because he
Speaker 2: is friends with absolutely everyone. Here's the sweetest guy. He's
Speaker 2: not seen as a threat because he's not the strongest,
Speaker 2: and I think that's something where I got into trouble
Speaker 2: with I was winning my one to one challenges. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been an athlete my whole life, so I can
Speaker 2: get where they see me as someone who may beat
Speaker 2: them in the future with challenges. So phrase I thought,
Speaker 2: because he just has a good social game, he's so
Speaker 2: so sweet, and he's just sort of trotten around and
Speaker 2: no one really worries about him. So that's actually something
Speaker 2: I said to Channel ten when they said, who do
Speaker 2: you think's going to win? So it's going to be
Speaker 2: interesting to see. I just hope that it's a villain.
Speaker 1: And also, if you came back to the show, what
Speaker 1: theme do you think would suit you best? What's a
Speaker 1: theme that they could bring you back for.
Speaker 2: I would love anything to do with beauty, even like
Speaker 2: queens versus kings or royalty versus something. I would absolutely
Speaker 2: love that. I'm just imagining the chats that would be
Speaker 2: going on. We would all be crying about how much
Speaker 2: we miss our makeup and our style lists and brushing
Speaker 2: our teeth and getting our facials, or even just how
Speaker 2: we survive in the wild would be hilarious, seeing what
Speaker 2: we do with like leaves and water and how we're exfoliating.
Speaker 2: So I think that would be really interesting. If I
Speaker 2: go back something about royalty or queen's or princesses, something
Speaker 2: like that, I think that would be really entertaining.
Speaker 1: I think the ratings would go up. Oh yeah, all
Speaker 1: those really hot women all wrestling together.
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, kikini's running on the beach. Oh gosh,
Speaker 2: I've been a bit of sexualizing there, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: the ratings would just go up.
Speaker 1: I just want to say how amazing this has been
Speaker 1: to chat with you, so well spoken, as they mentioned
Speaker 1: on the show. But yeah, you've been fantastic and good
Speaker 1: luck with everything up for the show.
Speaker 2: It's my absolute pleasure. Nice to meet you.