WEBVTT - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR EXIT INTERVIEWS: Week 2

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<v Speaker 1>On today's podcast, I have Sarah Marshki, who is our

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<v Speaker 1>latest eliminated castaway on Australian Survivor Heroes Versus Villains. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>is known for her title role as Miss World Australia

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<v Speaker 1>and while that made headlines on a global scale, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the controversial accusation and that she pushed a competitor

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<v Speaker 1>down a flight of stairs that had her competing as

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<v Speaker 1>a villain in the current explosive series of Australian Survivor.

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<v Speaker 1>I always believe where there is smoke, there's usually fire,

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<v Speaker 1>So we will find out the full story behind Miss

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<v Speaker 1>Greece's claims that Sarah pushed her down the stairs. I

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<v Speaker 1>will unpack George's rivalries and what he is truly like

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<v Speaker 1>to live with twenty four hours a day. We will

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<v Speaker 1>also discuss bullying, trolling and the way Sarah handles the

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<v Speaker 1>scrutiny of a public profile. Plus, we will break down

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<v Speaker 1>the second week of Australian Survivor on Network ten, which

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<v Speaker 1>will give you some exclusives on what actually went down

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<v Speaker 1>during Sarah's makeup free time on the show. Anyway, let's

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<v Speaker 1>bring Sarah Marshkin into the podcast and I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed this episode. Hi, Sarah, thanks for popping in to

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<v Speaker 1>chat about Australian Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to start by discussing why you were picked

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place to do Australian Survivor, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what we're talking about right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so too the little goss. So I'm a beauty queen.

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't know, I was Miss World Australia

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<v Speaker 2>for three years because of COVID and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of controversy while competing at Miss World. Miss Grease

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<v Speaker 2>accused me of pushing her down a set of stairs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this did not happen. I wasn't even there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have so many people replying to me on this season

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<v Speaker 2>going as if she could say that, because obviously it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. But that's just the way it goes and

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<v Speaker 2>beauty pageants it's cutthroat. If you're in the lead or

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking to win, someone's gonna stab you in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>He was greasing the wheels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, perfect, Yes, correct. So I was casting for Survivor

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<v Speaker 2>as a villain, which I love. I mean, my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of my life, I've had to be this good girl,

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<v Speaker 2>someone who bites her tongue and says the right things

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<v Speaker 2>and acts the proper way. So it was really refreshing

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to say things and do things the

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<v Speaker 2>way that I wanted. And I really played into that

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<v Speaker 2>villain character and it made it so enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>To film, you know, the controversial accusation that I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to go back to this because I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>find something anywhere where anyone could ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of believe if something like this exists,

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<v Speaker 1>there has to be some form of truth to it.

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<v Speaker 1>There has to be something where had this person come

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<v Speaker 1>up with to try and conjure such an outrageous thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it has to be based on something. Had

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<v Speaker 1>you prior to this had an argument like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why did she target you? There has to be some truth.

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<v Speaker 2>It was quite bizarre because we were friends. So at

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<v Speaker 2>Miss World, you're popped into these color groups by your country,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were team color Yellow, and she was in

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<v Speaker 2>my team, and I was actually elected to be the leader,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to be the leader of about twenty countries,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty contestants, and I guess she saw that as a threat.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe she overheard me getting the phone call, Sarah, you're

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<v Speaker 2>in tire ten. Can you come to this room for

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<v Speaker 2>a private interview? And maybe she didn't like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>the way it actually happened was there's two buses too

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<v Speaker 2>that takes you to different events, and she was on

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<v Speaker 2>one bus. I was on the other bus. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is what the security guards told me because I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it to him and showed him the article and said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know anything about this? Because he's obviously he

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<v Speaker 2>was related to the people that run this world. And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, she tripped down the stairs because I

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that caught her. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>was I anywhere near her? I don't know if I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I behind her? And he goes, well, no, you're

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<v Speaker 2>already off the buses inside already, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was on a different bus. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she ended up spraining her ankle and they put her

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<v Speaker 2>in a wheelchair because she couldn't walk around. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>just bizarre because there was one hundred and eleven countries

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<v Speaker 2>and she picked Miss Australia, who was someone I did

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<v Speaker 2>her hair for her, I helped her with her dress.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe she didn't like how nice I was and

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<v Speaker 2>saw me as a threat because I was the leader

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<v Speaker 2>and I was in charge of the group. Maybe she

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<v Speaker 2>got offended with how bossy I was, maybe because I

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<v Speaker 2>can be a bossy person, so maybe, but that's all

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<v Speaker 2>I know. And I did send her a message and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to take this down. This is a complete lie,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one's even asked for my opinion, and she

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<v Speaker 2>completely ignored me, and I was like, I'll sue you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she still didn't reply and I just left

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<v Speaker 2>it at there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So you've never spoken to her again since this?

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<v Speaker 1>No Christmas cards?

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<v Speaker 2>No Christmas cards? I mean I was boxing at one

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<v Speaker 2>stage and my coach offered to fly her in so

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<v Speaker 2>we could settle this, but that didn't end up happening.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't reply, so we haven't spoken probably about four

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<v Speaker 2>to three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, Okay. If this was The Housewives, the case

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<v Speaker 1>of desist would have been sent by the stage. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what was the harshest things about Australian survivor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a beauty queen going into this environment

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<v Speaker 1>and I can imagine it'd be quite stressful, But what

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<v Speaker 1>was the harshest thing for you as princess?

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<v Speaker 2>As this may sound, probably not having my skin routine,

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<v Speaker 2>deodor ant, being able to shower. That was really difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for me. Not to mention the no food, the no sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>having to have all these interviews when you're sleep deprived

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<v Speaker 2>and you're starving, having to remain sane. It's really difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Michael who got voted off, I know why

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<v Speaker 2>he was crazy is because we haven't slept, we haven't eaten,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not winning challenges, we're not even showering, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just not yourself. So pretty much, I guess I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>all of it was difficult, and it was yeah, really

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<v Speaker 2>really hard. But you know what, I came up with

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<v Speaker 2>my little things. I was exfoliating my skin with mud

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<v Speaker 2>and exfoliating with sand. So I found little things that

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<v Speaker 2>made me feel comfortable and at home, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>helped me through it.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you think that you came across then on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, because, I mean, you had some great alliances,

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<v Speaker 1>you had some great friendships, and the experience sometimes can

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<v Speaker 1>be different to what you see back on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, how do you think you've come across

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<v Speaker 1>now that you've watched it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that I had built all these wonderful alliances,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I was close with everyone, but watching

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<v Speaker 2>it back, I actually hadn't built any I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was a part of the spice scales, spy

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<v Speaker 2>Skirls were without me. I wasn't a part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I was friends with Geordie and Simon's alliance.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out I'm not, as they voted me off. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's so crazy being there and watching it back because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't see those secret conversations and you don't see

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<v Speaker 2>those confessions. So that was really shocking for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess going in as a newbie, you don't quite

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<v Speaker 2>understand the game as much as those returneys do.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, for me, the biggest question I had was

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<v Speaker 1>if you were still under the protection of George, would

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<v Speaker 1>you still be in this competition, because as it played out,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like you kind of went over to Simon,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, So do you think if you're under George's

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<v Speaker 1>protection you'd still be in the show?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I could have worked with George. We are

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<v Speaker 2>both very different people, and as much as I tried,

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<v Speaker 2>and I tried, and I tried to be interested in

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<v Speaker 2>a politics and his oh if I was president, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't. We were just so so different. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if I was still in his protection, Yes, But

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere down the line, I reckon it would have backfired

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people have George on the chopping board,

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<v Speaker 2>and then once they chop him, they chop me.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, George was talking a lot about politics. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>says that, but we haven't seen that at all. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've walked out of the show being like, I never

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear your politics again. Hilarious, But we are

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<v Speaker 1>saying that. Do you think that that's a fair representation

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<v Speaker 1>for us to not see that of George? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't we get to see all the dynamics of a

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<v Speaker 1>person on a show like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's actually important though, seeing him. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to hear it. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear him talk about politics. I think what's important is

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<v Speaker 2>seeing George's gameplay. I don't even think the politics really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>And just for your ears, I'm glad that you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to listen to it. But to know the real George,

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<v Speaker 2>he loves to scheme and talk about politics.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Also, you said to Simon in that little

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<v Speaker 1>part where you're both together separately, and you said that

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<v Speaker 1>George tried to strategize with you. What exactly had he

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<v Speaker 1>been strategy? Like, well, how did that go down? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What strategies had he been trying to align with you?

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<v Speaker 2>His strategy was more so just saying, Sarah, I've got you.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter what happens, I will keep you safe. And

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<v Speaker 2>at the back of my mind, I'm like, no, you won't.

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<v Speaker 2>You will not keep me safe. So I was pretending going, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, George, thank you so much, knowing that I've

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<v Speaker 2>already built this alliance that I thought I had with

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<v Speaker 2>Simon and Jordie and all the boys. And that backfired

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<v Speaker 2>because George is a lot smarter than we make him

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<v Speaker 2>out to be. He knew exactly what I was doing. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>he is a politician, I guess, so he is very

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<v Speaker 2>smart in and out of the game, and I definitely

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<v Speaker 2>underestimated him, and that's what got me in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>George said that the villains are following the loudest voice

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which he says is Simon. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's true? Do you think that Simon is the

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<v Speaker 1>person who is commanding the villains tribe?

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<v Speaker 2>At the beginning, yes, but week one people were starting

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out, look, this is a bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>Simon show, and he can get really bossy when he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get his way. So we started to see the

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<v Speaker 2>real Simon. We thought he was just trying to help

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<v Speaker 2>us out from the beginning, but then we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>figured out, look, this is just about him and is

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<v Speaker 2>a revenge on George, not about anyone else. So we

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<v Speaker 2>sort of figured that out towards the end, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was two and I was the swing vote because I

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<v Speaker 2>was in between. I thought I'd build on alliance with

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<v Speaker 2>George and the girls, but also Simon and Jordan. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was in a great place. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in between here. No one even cares about me,

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<v Speaker 2>but they knew exactly what I was up to, and

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<v Speaker 2>that George figured me out completely.

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<v Speaker 1>You were kind of like in the Spice Girls, the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that Posh Spicy is now, you know, not really, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, but slightly, I thought. So that was probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most shocking, And when I saw it on TV, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm not a Spice Girl, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>so upset. But that's the way of the game. People

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<v Speaker 2>manipulate and they make out that you are a part

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<v Speaker 2>of it when you're not. So it's quite as much

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<v Speaker 2>as it hurts, and there was a few tears. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting to see the way things work out.

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<v Speaker 1>What was what's made you cry? Like if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>watching the show to make you cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably me getting voted out because I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally trusted Simon and Jordie and Sean and Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>Those four I trusted with everything. But looking back on it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I totally get it. I totally get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't know because I was in between everyone, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I wasn't fully committed to people. So I

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<v Speaker 2>totally get it. So that's where the couple of she

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<v Speaker 2>has shed. And especially when I got told what I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a part of the Spice Girls and it was George,

0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Liz and Sean, and I was like, what about me?

0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.559
<v Speaker 2>But totally get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean to laugh, but I mean it's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in a way, and you kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>to laugh at these things. Oh, you can't really take

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<v Speaker 1>it too seriously. It's easy to dip into it though

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<v Speaker 1>and become emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you don't laugh, you're just going to cry.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. What's interesting to me though, is that everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about George and Simon, and yes, they are powerful players.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't Seannie a really good strong or isn't she a

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<v Speaker 1>strong contender as well?

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<v Speaker 2>I think everyone underestimates her because athletically. She is not

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<v Speaker 2>a strong player. I mean we saw that in the

0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.760
<v Speaker 2>throwing challenge. She doesn't know how to throw a ball

0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and she doesn't know how to do I would say

0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.600
<v Speaker 2>challenges that include balls, throwing balls, kicking balls, anything to

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<v Speaker 2>do with that. So I think people really underestimate her,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what can get her fart in the competition.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing. She plays such a sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>innocent girl to everyone behind the scenes. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>utter shock. I was like, damn, she's sassy and she

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<v Speaker 2>was saying all these things I didn't expect her to say.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, she just has an amazing social game. I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea that her and Liz were so close,

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<v Speaker 2>and she just kept it all on the down load.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't think, Wow, this woman. We've had eight seasons

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<v Speaker 1>of Australian Survivor and she's been in half of them. Yeah,

0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.640
<v Speaker 1>she's got to be being brought back for a reason exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, she plays it so so well.

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<v Speaker 2>It just goes over your head and you're like, Oh,

0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.360
<v Speaker 2>she's not even here to win. She's just here to

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<v Speaker 2>have fun, I guess, But no, she's there to win.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point of the game, how much do

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<v Speaker 1>the villains really know what's happening over the villains know

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<v Speaker 1>about what's happening over the Hero's Tribe?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely nothing. We're not even we can't even talk at

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<v Speaker 2>challenges unless we're in the middle of like wrestling each other.

0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.679
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, how are you, Bud and that type

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. But we don't get to have conversations with them,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have no idea until we get to a

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<v Speaker 2>challenge and they're like, oh, this person's been voted off,

0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.240
<v Speaker 2>so we have no idea, just like they have no idea.

0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:10.240
<v Speaker 2>What's happening with us?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think any of the villains are going to

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<v Speaker 1>make it to Merge? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, trust me, We us villains. We are there to

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<v Speaker 2>play hard, and I think we are so good at manipulating,

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so so good. So I feel like, definitely there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite a lot of us making it through.

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<v Speaker 1>Should the villains be trusting Jerry though, I mean, who

0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.560
<v Speaker 1>do you think he will actually play for after such

0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a brutal exit. I mean, you saw the brutal exit

0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.400
<v Speaker 1>from the Hero's Tribe and then send over to you guys,

0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.880
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, who is who can trust Jerry?

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<v Speaker 2>Really at this point, I felt as though I could

0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.040
<v Speaker 2>trust him while I was there. I totally get him

0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.920
<v Speaker 2>voting me out, considering he's trying to survive. Totally get it.

0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.880
<v Speaker 2>He's going with everyone's vote. I feel like he can

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<v Speaker 2>be trustworthy because what the knowledge we had was he said, look,

0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.160
<v Speaker 2>they've kicked me out. But I had a decision to

0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.040
<v Speaker 2>come to you guys, So we thought, great, he's run

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<v Speaker 2>to us like a headless shilk. He needs someone to

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<v Speaker 2>care for him, and we're there with open arms to

0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.040
<v Speaker 2>accept him. And I felt like at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>we could really.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust him, I'd be like dubious. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he even knows. I mean, he's looking to me

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<v Speaker 1>like he's shocked at how welcome everyone has been, So

0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that's making him feel a little bit confused. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the things that I've been thinking about

0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.960
<v Speaker 1>this season is about sexism in the Survivor game, because

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<v Speaker 1>Survivor is a social experiment, and I wondered whether the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamics of men versus women play into this game. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how much of that affects the gameplay.

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<v Speaker 2>I do agree, I feel as though men drift to

0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.880
<v Speaker 2>men women drift to women, and I don't know why.

0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I think in the hero's tribe, watching back on it,

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<v Speaker 2>the males, all four of them, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>I get it because they're all athletes of some type,

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<v Speaker 2>so they bond over that. But you see, in the

0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.720
<v Speaker 2>heroes tribe, we were all so so different, so we

0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.040
<v Speaker 2>were able to bond over different things because we're getting

0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.280
<v Speaker 2>to know each other. So I feel as though we

0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.240
<v Speaker 2>were lucky. But as for the heroes, I found that

0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.680
<v Speaker 2>they found it quite challenging because they were bonding over things.

0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Because Shanny, even Shanny and Jerry, I mean, she lost

0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:23.960
<v Speaker 2>her grandfather, automatic bond. I get that. The boys, they're

0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.960
<v Speaker 2>all ex athletes, all current athletes, and they're they're very fit,

0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.080
<v Speaker 2>and they train a lot. They've bonded over that. I

0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.160
<v Speaker 2>think it can benefit them in the game. But at

0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, you're going to end up

0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.280
<v Speaker 2>being voted out because I don't know how to explain this.

0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.160
<v Speaker 2>It seems as though you can't be trusted because you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had the time to build those alliances with other people,

0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.360
<v Speaker 2>so and you don't care about the other people, So

0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that's what's going to get you in the game is

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<v Speaker 2>you need to make sure you're making everyone trusted trusted? Sorry,

0:16:57.200 --> 0:16:58.760
<v Speaker 2>what's I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I was asking that was I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's very interesting and very telling that when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at Survivor as a social experiment and then you look

0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>at the world today, we think that there's less of

0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.679
<v Speaker 1>men versus women. But I thought it was interesting, like

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.840
<v Speaker 1>with Benjamin Law building that fake idol as a gay man,

0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, people were like, oh, you know, don't trust him,

0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.959
<v Speaker 1>don't trust him. You know, he's being mischievous. Had a

0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.400
<v Speaker 1>straight male been able to make that idol, they would

0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.760
<v Speaker 1>have been like, yes, champion him. So it's really interesting

0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to see the dynamics of how Survivor plays out and

0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.159
<v Speaker 1>how telling it is about society and that men do

0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.439
<v Speaker 1>stick with men and women do stick with women. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was kind of the interesting thing. I mean, do

0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.960
<v Speaker 1>you think that if Benjamin Law had made that idol,

0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that fake idol as you know, one of those boys,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that he would have been applauded or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think he would have been crucified.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so hard to know in today's society. Honestly, it's

0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.000
<v Speaker 2>so hard to know where people's head's at. I feel

0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like people just love to complain about absolutely anything. They're

0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.400
<v Speaker 2>so bored with their lives and so they just want

0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.280
<v Speaker 2>to complain about absolutely everything. I even feel like if

0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I made that, I would be crucified and be like, oh,

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.520
<v Speaker 2>she's such a bimbo, Like why would she do that.

0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like everyone is constantly being crucified. I had

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.479
<v Speaker 2>no idea that Ben actually got all that backlash. I

0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.960
<v Speaker 2>had no idea. And this is the thing for me,

0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.160
<v Speaker 2>I never actually pay attention to the news or the comments.

0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.280
<v Speaker 2>That's the one thing I will never do. I will

0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.320
<v Speaker 2>never search out my name because I don't want to

0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.639
<v Speaker 2>see what's in the news articles. I only want to

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.000
<v Speaker 2>see the positive, and the positivity is my text messages

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and my calls from my family, and that's what's more

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.919
<v Speaker 2>important for me. So seriously, in today's age, people are

0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.160
<v Speaker 2>going to complain about absolutely everything. No matter what you do,

0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.639
<v Speaker 2>it could be positive. You could be feeling yourself and

0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.160
<v Speaker 2>post a bikini photo. It's twenty twenty three. People need

0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.199
<v Speaker 2>to start accepting bodies, but there's people still commenting on

0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that and it's not your right to do so. So

0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.399
<v Speaker 2>I feel like people should just if it's not nice,

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.480
<v Speaker 2>then just don't say it, especially when it's not you.

0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.480
<v Speaker 2>You don't have a right to comment on someone's appearance

0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 2>or their gender, or whether they're gay or they're straight.

0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not your place. Just move on with your life,

0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.919
<v Speaker 2>focus on what you're doing.

0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:17.720
<v Speaker 1>It is really interesting, though, I mean, I was talking

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.280
<v Speaker 1>to Kyle Sanderlans last week and he was saying, isn't

0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 1>it fascinating that we all want to go and connect

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.119
<v Speaker 1>to the negative comments rather than the positive? Like if

0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.320
<v Speaker 1>we only just read the positive comments, we'd think we're amazing. However,

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.600
<v Speaker 1>they get skimmed over and then we focus on the

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:36.200
<v Speaker 1>one or two things that's quite negative. It's an interesting conundrum.

0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:37.720
<v Speaker 2>It is, it is, And I know that he's been

0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.880
<v Speaker 2>having actually a lot of backlash with I've been fascinating enough.

0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.040
<v Speaker 2>I've been hearing on the radio the poor guy. They're

0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.880
<v Speaker 2>just accusing him of being too soft, or he's too mean,

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.520
<v Speaker 2>or is this and he's that, And it's oddly getting

0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.920
<v Speaker 2>to which is so strange because he seems so sure

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.520
<v Speaker 2>of himself. But when you get so much of it,

0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I totally get it. It can be horrific being so young.

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was announced Miss Australia when I was

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.920
<v Speaker 2>only nineteen, and so imagine just graduating high school and

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.879
<v Speaker 2>the backlash. I don't think I received anything positive. I

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:18.439
<v Speaker 2>was called fat, ugly, I was told, in quotation marks

0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.840
<v Speaker 2>you have saggy jugs. I was told everything about me,

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 2>how imperfect or how disgusting I am. I'm never going

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.199
<v Speaker 2>to win. I'm this, I'm that, And it really affected me.

0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.040
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I'm grateful that that happened

0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.200
<v Speaker 2>at such a young age because now as I'm twenty three,

0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm growing up. I'm a young woman. Things don't affect

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.199
<v Speaker 2>me so much. I'm just so much stronger than what

0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I used to be.

0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, what advice do you have for young girls then

0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, that are on social media? Is

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 1>there something that you learned, is there something specific? Was

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.160
<v Speaker 1>there a key to you being able to switch off?

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 2>So coming from a girl that's been brutally bullied through

0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 2>high school, I moved to Sydney and year in year

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.600
<v Speaker 2>eleven and year eleven and twelve, I was brutally bullied

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 2>at school, at home, the messages, the fake profiles that

0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 2>were made of me, the comments. I actually had to

0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.200
<v Speaker 2>move states because that's how brutal was. I was going

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 2>to school, I was getting picked and pushed in a

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:25.359
<v Speaker 2>circle to get bashed, and they did it because I

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.399
<v Speaker 2>was different. I'm a country girl. I mean, I come

0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>from Bunderberg and I came to the big Smoke. I'm

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit more twangy in country than others. I'm nice

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.959
<v Speaker 2>and sweet, I would say, and they just they didn't

0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:39.960
<v Speaker 2>like it, and they thought it was different and wrong.

0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 2>I got water bombed, I got my phone stolen, my

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 2>food was stolen from me. So someone that's been so

0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.560
<v Speaker 2>brutally bullied, I will say, do not. You cannot let

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.879
<v Speaker 2>it affect you. You can let it affect you maybe

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 2>for that first week because you're allowed to feel those

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>feelings and those emotions. But then you need to rise

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 2>up from it and you need to think, sir, there

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely nothing wrong with me, only those people and

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 2>something that's really special for me. My mum always told me,

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:10.200
<v Speaker 2>if someone is mean to you, it's because they're going

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>through something. It has nothing to do with you and

0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.880
<v Speaker 2>what you have done. And throughout my whole life, honestly,

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.479
<v Speaker 2>that's all I think about when someone would say anything

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 2>rude or punch me. I would just pause and be like,

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.199
<v Speaker 2>are you okay? Why are you acting like this? Like

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.639
<v Speaker 2>what's happening here? So that's the way I view things

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>is it's literally not me. It's those people who may

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.000
<v Speaker 2>feel alone, they're going through something at home, or they're

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<v Speaker 2>struggling with mental health, that are the ones bullying you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've twisted it around and I have an understanding now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel as though, just you can't let it

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<v Speaker 2>affect you because it's not you. You're totally perfect the

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<v Speaker 2>way you are. It's just those people. They're obviously dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with something.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally ask for like a behind the scenes secret, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're not doing that because we don't want to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of peel the onion with survival. We want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>those secrets intact. But I've been asking everyone who is

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<v Speaker 1>your pick to win? Because not who you might know,

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<v Speaker 1>because you might know different things, but who do you

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<v Speaker 1>think when you walked out the tribal council did you

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<v Speaker 1>think was going to win?

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<v Speaker 2>So I after you get kicked out, they actually ask

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<v Speaker 2>you this question. They're like, oh, who do you think

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<v Speaker 2>is going to win? I voted for phrase and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason I voted for him when leaving is because he

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<v Speaker 2>is friends with absolutely everyone. Here's the sweetest guy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not seen as a threat because he's not the strongest,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's something where I got into trouble

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<v Speaker 2>with I was winning my one to one challenges. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been an athlete my whole life, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>get where they see me as someone who may beat

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<v Speaker 2>them in the future with challenges. So phrase I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>because he just has a good social game, he's so

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<v Speaker 2>so sweet, and he's just sort of trotten around and

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<v Speaker 2>no one really worries about him. So that's actually something

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<v Speaker 2>I said to Channel ten when they said, who do

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<v Speaker 2>you think's going to win? So it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to see. I just hope that it's a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, if you came back to the show, what

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<v Speaker 1>theme do you think would suit you best? What's a

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<v Speaker 1>theme that they could bring you back for.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love anything to do with beauty, even like

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<v Speaker 2>queens versus kings or royalty versus something. I would absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>love that. I'm just imagining the chats that would be

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<v Speaker 2>going on. We would all be crying about how much

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<v Speaker 2>we miss our makeup and our style lists and brushing

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<v Speaker 2>our teeth and getting our facials, or even just how

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<v Speaker 2>we survive in the wild would be hilarious, seeing what

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<v Speaker 2>we do with like leaves and water and how we're exfoliating.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that would be really interesting. If I

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<v Speaker 2>go back something about royalty or queen's or princesses, something

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<v Speaker 2>like that, I think that would be really entertaining.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the ratings would go up. Oh yeah, all

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<v Speaker 1>those really hot women all wrestling together.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, seriously, kikini's running on the beach. Oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a bit of sexualizing there, but I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>the ratings would just go up.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say how amazing this has been

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<v Speaker 1>to chat with you, so well spoken, as they mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. But yeah, you've been fantastic and good

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<v Speaker 1>luck with everything up for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my absolute pleasure. Nice to meet you.