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Speaker 1: Let's rise and conquer, Hey guys, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer podcast. Today I am chatting with
Speaker 1: Crystal Andrews. Crystal is a journalist and author of the
Speaker 1: little Book with a Big Mission called How to Win
Speaker 1: Every Argument.
Speaker 2: Well bloody love that title.
Speaker 1: This book aims to help people get informed on the
Speaker 1: fifteen hottest issues that shape our society and learn how
Speaker 1: to stay calm while debating them. And let me tell you,
Speaker 1: we even had our little calm discussion about astrology in
Speaker 1: this one at the end.
Speaker 2: I really loved this conbo.
Speaker 1: We also dive into a couple of chapters about her
Speaker 1: book and hear about why having big conversations on big
Speaker 1: issues is so important and why it's also important to
Speaker 1: be respectful of each other's views. I hope you enjoyed
Speaker 1: this chat as much as I did. Crystal is super
Speaker 1: down to earth and really knows her stuff. Let's get
Speaker 1: straight into it. Welcome to the show, Crystal.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. Georgie, it's a pleasure
Speaker 3: to be here. Digitally virtually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I know. I'm so excited because I, well
Speaker 1: the audience will know this, you would know this, but
Speaker 1: I did law, and so I'm all about arguments. It's
Speaker 1: something I'm very interested in and I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: chat to you and your book.
Speaker 2: But before we get.
Speaker 1: Into that, something that I always ask my guests is
Speaker 1: what season are they currently in. Of course, we are
Speaker 1: in self isolation most of us right now, and I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering what does this season look like for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's quite interesting actually because right now I
Speaker 3: would say that I'm in a season of putting myself
Speaker 3: out there, which is interesting for the time that we're
Speaker 3: in right now. As you say, obviously everyone's lockdown in
Speaker 3: self isolation, you know, depending on where they are in
Speaker 3: the world. But yeah, this is really, I guess, my
Speaker 3: time to put myself out there. But I would say
Speaker 3: that's coming off the back of what has been a
Speaker 3: past season of real self reflection and introspection. So it's
Speaker 3: almost like I've had you know, we're all bunkered down
Speaker 3: right now. But for me, metaphorically, that was kind of
Speaker 3: what my twenty nineteen was like. I was really I
Speaker 3: was lockdown, I was writing the book, I was working
Speaker 3: on another manuscript and just taking lots of time to
Speaker 3: work out what's important to me and what I want
Speaker 3: from my life, and you know, figuring out what makes
Speaker 3: me tick and what my flaws are, what holds me back.
Speaker 3: And I think that's almost like I needed that time then,
Speaker 3: and you really need to do that self analysis before
Speaker 3: you can push yourself like way out there. So coming
Speaker 3: into to twenty twenty, I felt really ready to have
Speaker 3: kind of my moment in the sun, and I'm just
Speaker 3: embracing putting out my book and my work and myself
Speaker 3: to just connect with as many more people as possible
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. And that got off to a real
Speaker 3: rocking start at the beginning of the year, and over
Speaker 3: the past kind of months it's taken on a different shape,
Speaker 3: but that's kind of where I'm at now. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because, like you said, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit opposite to what a lot of people are doing now.
Speaker 1: But I really love that the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: you said, this is your season where you kind of
Speaker 1: are putting yourself out there, and you're still able to
Speaker 1: do that obviously, you know virtually and through online platforms
Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing. So that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3: No problems, it's yet it's a it's a funny time
Speaker 3: because I think it's almost opened up more opportunities. You know,
Speaker 3: even this, even this interview, I'm based in Sydney, so
Speaker 3: it's not always, you know, an option for people to
Speaker 3: travel or for me to travel to do interviews and
Speaker 3: press and meet people and have those kind of connections.
Speaker 3: But because everybody's not moving around, no one's traveling right now,
Speaker 3: everybody's looking at different virtual options. It's almost opened up
Speaker 3: more possibilities I think in some ways and in certain industries.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, it is. It's funny you say that because
Speaker 1: when I started the podcast, I did most of my
Speaker 1: interviews like online. I did a lot of people from overseas,
Speaker 1: and then at the start of the year, I was like,
Speaker 1: my twenty twenty goal is to do all these like
Speaker 1: in person interviews, and I did do I did go
Speaker 1: to Sydney and I did a whole bunch. But then
Speaker 1: this happened and I was like, oh, okay, well back
Speaker 1: to the online because it is it it's a lot
Speaker 1: more accessible when you're obviously doing it virtually and all
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So yeah, interesting times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, so well let's get into it. Can you give
Speaker 1: the audience a bit of a snapshot of who Crystal
Speaker 1: Andrews is?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow, Crystal? Who is she? I'm a journalist and
Speaker 3: media professional and I'm an author, and I'm super passionate
Speaker 3: about getting young Australians. But I guess really just people
Speaker 3: in general very much engaged with news and big social issues.
Speaker 3: So I've just published a book called How to Win
Speaker 3: Every Argument, and that really hones in on the fifteen
Speaker 3: kind of big topics that us shaping our world today
Speaker 3: and gives readers kind of the language and the context
Speaker 3: and the key information to have conversations around those topics,
Speaker 3: which is something I'm super passionate about. But then on
Speaker 3: top of all of that, I would say, I'm a daughter,
Speaker 3: I'm a sister, I'm a friend, I'm a mentor. I'm
Speaker 3: a West Australian living in Sydney, and I'm self isolating
Speaker 3: in a little apartment with my boyfriend Pierre and a
Speaker 3: growing collection of plants slowly taking over my life.
Speaker 1: Plants, indoor plans and outdoor plants are everything, are they?
Speaker 3: It's just really keeping me entertained at the moment. Every
Speaker 3: time I get a new leaf, it's just so exciting.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you for sharing that with us. Let's
Speaker 1: chat about your career. So I know that you've worked
Speaker 1: in the daily mail, pop Sugar, and now you have
Speaker 1: your own digital news platform called Zfeed. What urged you
Speaker 1: to start your own media platform?
Speaker 3: I guess the main kind of driving force was out
Speaker 3: of a need that I kind of needed to meet
Speaker 3: in myself, which I imagine so many people who start
Speaker 3: up side hustles or you know, entrepreneurs. It's the same
Speaker 3: kind of thing. You look around and see a gap
Speaker 3: that you yourself are looking for that information. So for me,
Speaker 3: you know, I've worked for some incredible major global publishers
Speaker 3: and I still do, so z Feed is my little
Speaker 3: side hustle. But I was really looking for news that
Speaker 3: was produced specifically for social media and digital natives, which
Speaker 3: I imagine you and I and most of the people
Speaker 3: listening to this podcast are, but news that actually brought
Speaker 3: all of the context in together to the one story
Speaker 3: and gives you everything you need to know at once.
Speaker 3: Because I guess what I've learned over my career is
Speaker 3: that the nature of news is that it's new, so
Speaker 3: you only get the new piece of information with each article.
Speaker 3: You just kind of get the latest development. But if
Speaker 3: you're coming into that at that moment, there's a whole
Speaker 3: lot of background on context that you might have missed
Speaker 3: and can seem really intimidating to start at a big
Speaker 3: topic kind of just in the moment when you don't
Speaker 3: have that background. I felt that's what a lot of
Speaker 3: youth news that was being produced, that's what it was lacking.
Speaker 3: So that's what I wanted to bring. Provide that context,
Speaker 3: provide the background, and kind of do all of the
Speaker 3: reading across you know, what might be five, six, seven,
Speaker 3: eight different articles, and bring that all together in one
Speaker 3: piece of content that someone could actually approach in a
Speaker 3: more accessible way. That was really what I wanted to achieve,
Speaker 3: And I think I'm doing an okay job so far.
Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely love that, And I couldn't agree more
Speaker 1: Because I am I'm someone who I don't look I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I'm not the biggest news reader in
Speaker 1: that regards, Like I personally cannot stand watching the news,
Speaker 1: but I do like kind of pop culture news, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, And something that I do find is
Speaker 1: I will kind of come into something and be very
Speaker 1: lost what is even, like, you know, especially a stuff
Speaker 1: that is quite it's been going on for a while,
Speaker 1: like the me Too movement and different assets like that.
Speaker 1: So I've really really loved that aspect.
Speaker 3: It's so true. And even you know, working in media
Speaker 3: and working in news for my day job, like, even
Speaker 3: I find it hard. And the only reason that I'm
Speaker 3: so exposed to is because that's what I do on
Speaker 3: a day to day basis. So I am already constantly reading.
Speaker 3: I am already constantly consuming this content. But like, let's
Speaker 3: face it, not everyone has the time to sit around
Speaker 3: and read, you know, six or seven different pieces on
Speaker 3: the same topic just to understand it. So it's really
Speaker 3: just a necessity I think that people can have. This
Speaker 3: is something you can just dive into, get the gist
Speaker 3: of it, get the background and the key points, and
Speaker 3: then feel like you can go out into the world
Speaker 3: with a bit of a better understanding and actually engage.
Speaker 2: With the topics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and have a bit of your own opinion because
Speaker 1: you have the whole story exactly. That's exactly right, amazing,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you do you have because
Speaker 1: I know people listening, you know, whether they're in university
Speaker 1: or they're just really interested in, you know, the news
Speaker 1: and the media and that sort of side of things.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for someone who's interested in
Speaker 1: learning a career in the media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Look, it's an interesting time right now, and
Speaker 3: I guess media broadly has been through quite a turbulent
Speaker 3: kind of five to ten years and it's constantly changing
Speaker 3: and evolving. But I would absolutely say that at the
Speaker 3: entry level right now, there are so many really big
Speaker 3: opportunities to get your foot in the door in what
Speaker 3: people might see is I guess maybe the more unexpected
Speaker 3: kind of niches within media, So things like social media,
Speaker 3: digital or video content production and podcasting is a really
Speaker 3: big one as well. Those are kind of the opportunities
Speaker 3: at the entry level right now, and it's an exciting
Speaker 3: time because you can get your foot in the door
Speaker 3: with skills that are easy to build up just kind
Speaker 3: of on your own time. You know, we're all on
Speaker 3: social media all the time. We know how to produce
Speaker 3: social media content. You know, if you have an interest
Speaker 3: in podcasting and interest in audio, that's such a big opportunity.
Speaker 3: So I think it does really kind of pay to
Speaker 3: be tuned into the industry, have your favorite publications and
Speaker 3: follow what they're doing really really closely, read them all
Speaker 3: the time, like just stay engaged so that you can
Speaker 3: see the trendses they kind of arise. And like I say,
Speaker 3: podcasting is a really good example because lots of big
Speaker 3: media publishers are either starting or expanding their podcast teams
Speaker 3: kind of recently. So if that's an interest, that's an
Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of reach out and see if you
Speaker 3: can help those teams. And if you have the audio skills, great,
Speaker 3: But even if you don't, they still need people to
Speaker 3: help research transcribing audio, which is such a nightmare.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you'll know so much about that. So
Speaker 3: you know, even if you reach out and say, like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in getting a foot in the door
Speaker 3: and media, I'm really interested in podcas. Do you need
Speaker 3: someone help transcribing audio? If someone sent that to me,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yes, I do need help. So all
Speaker 3: those little small tassa and opportunity I think to get
Speaker 3: your foot in the door.
Speaker 1: That is such amazing advice. Chrystal and I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: It's funny when you were saying it. I remember kind
Speaker 1: of growing.
Speaker 2: Up and I've been out of school for.
Speaker 1: Oh good, like eighty years now or something, but I
Speaker 1: remember when I first started my YouTube, I was thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, I did have this like chance in school
Speaker 1: to do like media and do like video editing, and
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh my god, when am I going
Speaker 1: to use that? And then like, I have this career
Speaker 1: now which is very based off like editing and all
Speaker 1: these things which I thought the skills didn't matter, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I just wish I
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, like went with my gut and
Speaker 1: just like went with these skills because they are, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's stuff you can be doing in your
Speaker 1: spare time, because it's also stuff that can be super interesting.
Speaker 1: And I actually have help with this podcast, and the
Speaker 1: girl who helps me, Grace, she is doing her law
Speaker 1: and journalism degree and she is super interested in podcasting,
Speaker 1: and I thought that is such a smart way to
Speaker 1: get your foot in the door.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's such an opportunity because you know, bigger media
Speaker 3: organizations are stacked up with people who have so much
Speaker 3: amazing experience and have kind of come through those more
Speaker 3: traditional pathways, but that means they don't necessarily have the
Speaker 3: skills that you need for newer media. So for anyone
Speaker 3: who's looking to get in, like, I really highly recommend
Speaker 3: that as an avenue. It's also just fun to learn
Speaker 3: new skills. I don't know, I really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So let's switch gears and let's chat about your book.
Speaker 2: So you were.
Speaker 1: Lovely enough to send it to me, and I remember
Speaker 1: looking at the cover and just going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm going to love this book. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: very into winning arguments, have been since I was a
Speaker 1: young child.
Speaker 2: Really why, I.
Speaker 1: Studied law and I took a little with through a
Speaker 1: little read and it is just such a great book.
Speaker 1: So it's called how to Win Every Argument.
Speaker 2: I've read it.
Speaker 1: I've loved it. Each chapter dives into a very I
Speaker 1: would call them like in topic and it basically helps
Speaker 1: people come up with a fact base come back to
Speaker 1: a debate that you might be having. So can you
Speaker 1: tell us, like, where did this idea come from to
Speaker 1: write this book?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so glad to hear that you
Speaker 3: love it. I've got such a good reaction from I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people who think the same as us.
Speaker 3: Where you see the cover and you go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: that is written for me. Just love to get into
Speaker 3: these debates. It was inspired by a couple of different things.
Speaker 3: I'm from a big family. It's myself and there's four
Speaker 3: kids in my family and my parents, and we're all
Speaker 3: really close. And I remember from the time of being
Speaker 3: about ten or eleven years old, sitting around the dinner
Speaker 3: table and getting into these really you know, interesting important
Speaker 3: discussions and debates, and our parents really encouraged us to
Speaker 3: speak up and have an opinion, but also to be
Speaker 3: prepared to back that up with some substance or some
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit of something. So, you know,
Speaker 3: I remember like getting into conversations about, you know, whether
Speaker 3: homework is important to do, and whether you know, kids
Speaker 3: should have to wear school uniforms, and you know, those
Speaker 3: kind of things like that you debate with your parents
Speaker 3: when you're like ten or eleven, And it's something that
Speaker 3: still definitely happens now whenever we're all together, and we're
Speaker 3: quite a loud family, So if you're at the dinner table,
Speaker 3: you've got to kind of be ready to hold your
Speaker 3: own and bring your information to back you up. But
Speaker 3: I think those those memories and having those debates my
Speaker 3: parents and my siblings really kind of set the foundation
Speaker 3: of who I am, and then also this book. But
Speaker 3: then a couple of years ago, I had a conversation
Speaker 3: with my younger sister. She's ten years younger than me,
Speaker 3: and she's very much conscious and engaged with the big issues,
Speaker 3: and she'd just studded UNI and she was telling me
Speaker 3: about this argument she'd gotten into with like some dumb
Speaker 3: UNI guy about the gender pay gap, and she was
Speaker 3: trying to explain to him why it was a real thing.
Speaker 3: But she was telling me she got so frustrated because
Speaker 3: in the heat of the moment she'd just forgotten everything,
Speaker 3: like all the stats, all the numbers, and she wasn't
Speaker 3: like fast enough to google it and find the information
Speaker 3: to kind of get her point across, Like you know
Speaker 3: that feeling when you just remember it after the argument
Speaker 3: is over. Yes, So that really got me thinking, like,
Speaker 3: can is it possible create a guide that is quite
Speaker 3: handy to the point, has all of the important information
Speaker 3: with it, and it's written in a way that will
Speaker 3: stick in your mind. And after toying with that idea
Speaker 3: for a little bit. I thought, well, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to write it and see how this goes.
Speaker 3: And I think I started with two or three topics
Speaker 3: and ended up with fifteen. So that's how the book
Speaker 3: came about.
Speaker 1: That is so interesting.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's just so organic. And so what is your advice?
Speaker 1: Because even though I did just say, you know, I
Speaker 1: love the title, I've always been one to stand up
Speaker 1: for myself and argue. I do kind of find in
Speaker 1: this day and age, I do sometimes not go full
Speaker 1: full force into an argument or a conversation because, you know,
Speaker 1: just everyone has such different beliefs. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: like hot topics, a lot of controversial topics. What would
Speaker 1: your advice be to someone who kind of has a
Speaker 1: bit of trouble communicating their beliefs, especially with people who
Speaker 1: might disagree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're so right. Like, some of these topics are
Speaker 3: very touching and like a bit sensitive, and people have
Speaker 3: really closely held beliefs, so it can seem like quite
Speaker 3: scary to get into it with someone, especially if it's
Speaker 3: someone that you you love and you know that's in
Speaker 3: your circle and you're worried about kind of offending them
Speaker 3: or disagreeing with them. I guess, like my main tip,
Speaker 3: and this is going to sound a bit nuts, but
Speaker 3: for those topics that you're really passionate about, it's kind
Speaker 3: of a matter of really constantly repeating like the key numbers,
Speaker 3: the key stats, the key facts to yourself over and
Speaker 3: over and over until they stick in your head, because
Speaker 3: that is kind of the biggest at least for me,
Speaker 3: that's the biggest challenge is being able to recall them
Speaker 3: fast enough in the heat of the moment that it
Speaker 3: just seems really seamless and natural. Because a lot of
Speaker 3: the time that is what's most convincing to other people,
Speaker 3: that you kind of have a seamless communication of your idea.
Speaker 3: So like I used to get into I still do
Speaker 3: get into arguments with my dad about, you know, whether
Speaker 3: it's harder for people to buy a house now compared
Speaker 3: to in his time. So I just had to commit
Speaker 3: those numbers to memory that salaries have been increased by
Speaker 3: five times, but the house prices have increased by twenty times.
Speaker 3: So it's really clear then that there's not a comparable
Speaker 3: you know, there's not a comparable increase. It's really hard
Speaker 3: to disagree with facts like that. But then I suppose
Speaker 3: another tip would be to also like really listen to
Speaker 3: what the other person is saying, because sometimes you're both
Speaker 3: talking to slightly different things, which means you don't really
Speaker 3: get to the core issue, so you have to really
Speaker 3: listen to find out what they're like. Main beef is
Speaker 3: kind of like it happens a lot with people who
Speaker 3: try to deny human involvement in climate change is a
Speaker 3: good example, because sometimes it's actually not that's not the
Speaker 3: issue they're upset about or that they don't believe in.
Speaker 3: It might be something like the fact that they think
Speaker 3: their electricity bill is going to be higher with renewable
Speaker 3: energy sources, which is kind of related to climate change,
Speaker 3: but not really. So once you know what the real
Speaker 3: issue is, you can speak to that rather than you know,
Speaker 3: just talking about two related but different things.
Speaker 1: I enjoy that. And something I just want to add
Speaker 1: on top of that is sometimes I find when you
Speaker 1: are talking about a topic that you are quite passionate about,
Speaker 1: you can often get into this mentality where you just
Speaker 1: don't even hear what the other person is saying because
Speaker 1: you just like you are so strong on your belief
Speaker 1: and you just you know, you know you're right or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of be a bit small minded
Speaker 1: and not even really kind of look into what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Whereas I find when you really like hear them out
Speaker 1: and give them the time to, you know, speak and explain,
Speaker 1: you can jump on at the same page a bit more,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And a lot of the time people
Speaker 3: just want to want their opinion to be heard as well,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's someone that you you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about random people on the internet, but
Speaker 3: if it's someone within your circle, they might just want
Speaker 3: to be heard.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, one hundred percent. Well, let's dive into some
Speaker 1: other topics you cover, just to give the let's audience
Speaker 1: a bit of a skim And the first one I
Speaker 1: want to chat about it is you did kind of
Speaker 1: just chat about it, bet climate change. So what made
Speaker 1: you want to write this chapter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, once I started researching it, Like, it wasn't really
Speaker 3: the people in my you know, in my real life
Speaker 3: who didn't believe that humans have accelerated the rate of
Speaker 3: climate change, but it was more so the commentary online
Speaker 3: that I was seeing of people who really were pushing
Speaker 3: hard against this accepted knowledge, and I feel like, again
Speaker 3: most of your listeners and we can both agree that
Speaker 3: this is kind of the defining global challenge of our
Speaker 3: time that is going to affect absolutely everyone. I mean,
Speaker 3: no one's immune to this, so it's clearly very important.
Speaker 3: And even though like obviously right now we're facing another
Speaker 3: once in a lifetime crisis with COVID nineteen. But once
Speaker 3: that's been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the pandemic chapter.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I've got to get onto that asap. But even
Speaker 3: once that's under control, we're still going to be left
Speaker 3: with this environmental crisis. So it really felt like an
Speaker 3: important one to tackle.
Speaker 1: Just this is a little bit off point, but just
Speaker 1: with that, I was thinking the other day with COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: it really has I feel like it really has like
Speaker 1: showt not a light on the climate change issues in
Speaker 1: just a bit of a different way where it's almost
Speaker 1: like people are understanding it a bit more too, which
Speaker 1: is really good. But sorry, that was a bit of
Speaker 1: a website bit there, So can you kind of explain
Speaker 1: the misconceptions about climate change and why do people argue
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: There was just so much freakin' misinformation on the internet
Speaker 3: about climate change and our role in it, and that
Speaker 3: I think means that there's a lot of stuff to
Speaker 3: people for people to argue about, because there's information and
Speaker 3: then there's twisted information, and it just kind of like
Speaker 3: keeps going in this perpetual cycle. But the main big
Speaker 3: misconception that I kept seeing was people saying that this
Speaker 3: would have been happening anyway, and that at previous times
Speaker 3: in the history of the planet, the climate has been
Speaker 3: it's been hotter, the seal levels have been higher, it's
Speaker 3: been far more hostile than it is right now, So
Speaker 3: that proves that it's not our fault, because the funny
Speaker 3: thing is that that's kind of true, but it's besides
Speaker 3: the point. And I didn't see a lot of people
Speaker 3: addressing the fact that it was beside the point. So
Speaker 3: if someone says, you know, oh, the climate was already
Speaker 3: two degrees hotter than it is now three million years ago,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, okay, but you know, there were no
Speaker 3: humans living on the planet then and we are here now,
Speaker 3: so it does matter how that same temperature increase impacts
Speaker 3: our lives now. It's kind of irrelevant that it was
Speaker 3: hotter before, And I didn't see a lot of people
Speaker 3: addressing that part of the issue.
Speaker 1: I love that it's like a windy argument right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, case closed.
Speaker 1: That fit, and you do like, I really recommend everyone
Speaker 1: to read this book because even though we're kind of
Speaker 1: skimming over it because obviously this is, you know, a
Speaker 1: short podcast, but do really recommend because even though we're
Speaker 1: just talking about little snippets, like Crystal really goes into
Speaker 1: each aspect and I did like something I did really
Speaker 1: love about the book is like each chapter is only
Speaker 1: two or three pages. I think it's two, and it's
Speaker 1: like you have basically what they would say and how
Speaker 1: you would answer, and then really like to the point
Speaker 1: at each side of the argument.
Speaker 2: So it does really equip you. So yeah, really love that.
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Speaker 1: let's get back into the show. Let's change topics and
Speaker 1: let's talk about home ownership. So what arguments occur about
Speaker 1: this topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was one again obviously, as you'd imagine, very
Speaker 3: much inspired by my dad and the arguments that we
Speaker 3: would sometimes have about it. And again and broadly the
Speaker 3: commentary that you see online with people just getting stuck
Speaker 3: into millennials for having too much avocado toast and that's
Speaker 3: why they can't afford to buy property, and you know,
Speaker 3: then the millennials getting stuck into the boomers saying, well,
Speaker 3: you know, you've created this situation where it's an impossible
Speaker 3: housing market to get into. And this was really one
Speaker 3: for me, I think, where I know that I had
Speaker 3: the feeling it was harder to buy property now than
Speaker 3: it was in, for example, the seventies, but I didn't
Speaker 3: know that for sure, so I wanted to really investigate it,
Speaker 3: go and find all of the numbers and oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: researching this chapter was like a kind of a pain
Speaker 3: because it involved like going into the ABS data from
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven and nineteen ninety seven and scrolling through
Speaker 3: all these reports and trying to you know, figure out
Speaker 3: all these huge tables with all this data in it.
Speaker 3: So it was a bit of a mission. But I've
Speaker 3: been able to like condense that into a much smaller
Speaker 3: table that just compares the prices, the average price of
Speaker 3: the houses over three differentferent decades, average incomes over three
Speaker 3: different decades, so that you can really just see at
Speaker 3: a glance what the situation is. And yeah, this one,
Speaker 3: for me, you know, it is a simplified take on
Speaker 3: the topic because there are so many factors that go
Speaker 3: into it, of course, but for me, it just really
Speaker 3: is that stat that you know drives at home that
Speaker 3: even though our salaries, the average salary is so much
Speaker 3: higher than it was, you know, three or four decades ago,
Speaker 3: the average price of a home in Australia has gone
Speaker 3: up twenty times what it was, And that's kind of
Speaker 3: the you know, that's the one that I hold up
Speaker 3: and say, this is clearly not the same way. Not
Speaker 3: comparing light for like, it's not about spending too much
Speaker 3: at the coffee shop. It's kind of about a more
Speaker 3: fundamental problem. I don't have the solution for it, but
Speaker 3: at least we can kind of get a better understanding
Speaker 3: of where we all stand and almost stop that generational
Speaker 3: argument where it's just two sides at each other, Like, really,
Speaker 3: we should all be on the same page with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, one hundred percent. And I love that you
Speaker 1: did have that table and there it was very simplified.
Speaker 1: I love that you did speak about even like the
Speaker 1: cost of living. I know, I think you spoke about
Speaker 1: like a big mac or something like that, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, the cost of living is just so much
Speaker 1: more to since the seventies.
Speaker 3: It is, there's so much that goes into it. I
Speaker 3: love that big Mac indicator. I think it was actually
Speaker 3: a concept. It's a concept that's been around for a
Speaker 3: little while. But they map the price of a big
Speaker 3: Mac over the different years because that's kind of an
Speaker 3: indicator of what the cost of living is, because you know,
Speaker 3: as time goes by, the price of things increase, So yeah,
Speaker 3: when you compare it across all the decades, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: But then also really informative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's so interesting. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was so cheap back then.
Speaker 3: And the whole point, like, you know, the whole point
Speaker 3: of the book is really to your point, like to
Speaker 3: make it accessible and simple and quick, like nobody wants to.
Speaker 3: I don't wish upon anyone to have to read did
Speaker 3: the abs tables that I had to read to write
Speaker 3: this chapter? Like it needs to be quick and easy
Speaker 3: to understand, I think for people to dive into because
Speaker 3: otherwise just who has the time?
Speaker 1: Literally awesome, I just want to I just want to
Speaker 1: go into one more topic before we wrap. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a bit controversial.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. So you do have a whole chapter.
Speaker 1: I when I say whole chapter eight is two pages.
Speaker 1: I know, I keep saying a little chapter. And see
Speaker 1: this is this is the interesting part. So you do
Speaker 1: have a chapter on astrology. And I am someone like
Speaker 1: I did a law degree. I'm very structured, I'm very
Speaker 1: science based, but like I believe in astrology. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna put it out there. My star
Speaker 1: signed all that sort of stuff. And you do have
Speaker 1: this ad chapter where you go into it, and you
Speaker 1: were kind of on the opposite side, and it was
Speaker 1: quite insightful for me because you're really seeing both sides
Speaker 1: of the argument, which I do enjoy, even though it's
Speaker 1: probably not what I wanted to hear, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to be very honest with you, but I do love
Speaker 1: that you have both sides of the argument and you
Speaker 1: really go into it. Did you find it it was
Speaker 1: like kind of difficult going from both sides of the argument,
Speaker 1: or did you.
Speaker 2: Just kind of go off your own beliefs.
Speaker 3: It was I would say it was difficult, but it
Speaker 3: was really interesting and opening to me to approach both sides.
Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to set it up that way
Speaker 3: because it's more like a conversation, and the whole purpose
Speaker 3: of the book is to encourage people to stimulate conversation
Speaker 3: and get into, you know, discussions, So I knew that
Speaker 3: I wanted to be framed as two people kind of
Speaker 3: having that debate, and I guess like to do the
Speaker 3: research for that, I had to go down these rabbit
Speaker 3: holes of you know, forums and comment threads and reading
Speaker 3: opinion pieces that were the total opposite to what I believe.
Speaker 3: Because you kind of need to find out what the
Speaker 3: other half thinks and what the other side is saying
Speaker 3: if you want to get into a genuine communication with people,
Speaker 3: because otherwise, like I said, you're just yelling your opinions
Speaker 3: out into the abyss and not really caring who respond.
Speaker 3: So you do have to understand the other side. It
Speaker 3: was fascinating reading some of these, you know, some of
Speaker 3: these threads and some of the things people believe.
Speaker 1: That's what I do. I do love about it because,
Speaker 1: even like I said, even if you're on the opposite
Speaker 1: tie side, I think it is very beneficial when you
Speaker 1: know what the other person is thinking and you can
Speaker 1: almost have I'm trying to think of what's the word,
Speaker 1: like almost have a bit of a respect for their opinion,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So, like even me reading the
Speaker 1: astrology section, like in my head, I was going, yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: I still believe what I believe, but it's good to
Speaker 1: know what you know other people could be thinking. That
Speaker 1: makes sense, And it's like having a bit more respect
Speaker 1: to the other side because it is kind of spelled
Speaker 1: out a bit more fear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and like you know, probably not as relevant
Speaker 3: to the astrology will come back to that, but for
Speaker 3: some of the chapters. When I was doing all of
Speaker 3: this reading about what other people think, what really struck
Speaker 3: me is that for most of us I'm talking like
Speaker 3: for ninety percent of the of the comments and the
Speaker 3: articles that I was reading, people are all driven by
Speaker 3: the same thing, and that's fear. And that is really
Speaker 3: something we can all relate to because when it comes
Speaker 3: down to it, like you know, anti vaxxers, they are
Speaker 3: scared for the safety of their children. You can't argue, Like,
Speaker 3: you can argue with that, but you can have respect
Speaker 3: for that as you're saying, you can understand it and
Speaker 3: appreciate where they're coming from. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: people who support coal mining in Australia, they're scared for
Speaker 3: their own job security. They're scared for the very fragile
Speaker 3: local economies of their communities. And again you can't really
Speaker 3: blame them for that, Like I would be scared of
Speaker 3: that too if it was my local community. And so
Speaker 3: even though you might have to do a bit of
Speaker 3: digging with someone to find out what is driving their belief,
Speaker 3: I think when you get to that place of understanding
Speaker 3: where the opinion comes from, why they think the things
Speaker 3: that they do, you know, where their information comes from.
Speaker 3: You know, what do they read, who do they listen to.
Speaker 3: You can get a real sense for why people think that.
Speaker 3: And it's just made me so much more aware of
Speaker 3: how I go about in the world, how other people
Speaker 3: exist in the world, and it's important to be sensitive
Speaker 3: to other people, even though it might seem on the
Speaker 3: face that they're really aggressive or tough or whatever. It
Speaker 3: is a lot of the time is underpinned by fear.
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's so interesting and so yeah, that's so correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, Like it does take a while, I
Speaker 3: think to get to that bottom layer. Like there's this
Speaker 3: technique called the five wise. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: have heard about this or kind of come across the theory,
Speaker 3: but it was originally developed I think by the founder
Speaker 3: of Toyota. Might have to fact check that one. I
Speaker 3: think it was Toyota, and it was a technique that
Speaker 3: they were using in the you know, in their car
Speaker 3: manufacturer to find, like to try and solve functional issues
Speaker 3: that they were having with the cars. But the general
Speaker 3: concept is you go through and you continue to ask
Speaker 3: why why why until you get to the core problem.
Speaker 3: And if you solve the core problem, you'll fix the
Speaker 3: issue right at the top, and that really applies, I
Speaker 3: think to some of these arguments. If you ask someone
Speaker 3: why they believe what they do, you know, and just
Speaker 3: keep drilling down, you can find a commonality and something
Speaker 3: that you can understand, something that you can appreciate, and
Speaker 3: something that you can actually discuss with them in probably
Speaker 3: a more constructive way than just having an argument about,
Speaker 3: you know, about something that's very personal to both.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love what you just said. The word constructive.
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like when I was reading the book,
Speaker 1: Like even if I you know what I was just
Speaker 1: saying about astrology, e though I didn't necessarily agree, it
Speaker 1: felt very constructive knowing the other side, knowing the kind
Speaker 1: of points and being like, oh that's fair enough, Like
Speaker 1: respecting that constructive.
Speaker 3: So yeah, i'd love to know, Like what you know
Speaker 3: what appeals? Like you? Why do you like astrology? Tell
Speaker 3: me I'm selling to this now.
Speaker 1: There's really I was actually thinking about this.
Speaker 2: I was like, should I bring this up?
Speaker 1: Because I often have No, it's definitely not an argument.
Speaker 1: But the only way I can kind of explain it
Speaker 1: is like, for instance, like I even though I am
Speaker 1: someone who's definitely like I'm ostructured. I love facts, I
Speaker 1: love science, I love all that.
Speaker 2: Sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But it just because I'm let me, let me get
Speaker 1: my tray to thought into order. Basically, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you think about it, we haven't found out everything
Speaker 1: in the world, Like we haven't. I guarantee there's you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe animal species we don't know about it, or
Speaker 1: like different stuff we haven't figured out. And so my
Speaker 1: thing is just because we fully don't understand it right
Speaker 1: now doesn't mean we weren't in the future. So for example,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, like I'm talking medieval times,
Speaker 1: there was certain stuff that they just like couldn't understand.
Speaker 1: Where's now We're like, oh my god, you're so silly,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, gravity. You can't see it, you can't
Speaker 1: feel it. It's such a hard concept to grasp, but
Speaker 1: we know it's there because we're standing on the earth,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So I'm a big believer in
Speaker 1: like law of attraction and manifesting, which is so hard
Speaker 1: to kind of grasp and put down into you know,
Speaker 1: a specific structure or words or science or something like that.
Speaker 1: But like I really have this like trust in this
Speaker 1: like bigger thing of Oh my gosh, I just like.
Speaker 2: I feel it. I feel it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, and that's obviously
Speaker 1: just me as a person.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense, It absolutely makes sense. And like
Speaker 3: this is really the appeal of astrology in particular and
Speaker 3: a lot of those similar kind of belief systems. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is the underpinning of religion, like astrology is.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to say that, but then I didn't
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, astrology is probably, like you know, a lighter way
Speaker 3: to dipute into what is ultimately a discussion about faith
Speaker 3: and belief, which is so personal to people. And there's really,
Speaker 3: you know, not a lot of right and wrong way
Speaker 3: to have faith and have belief at all. And yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the role that astrology has played in all kinds
Speaker 3: of societies throughout history as a way of understanding the world,
Speaker 3: of understanding the things that we cannot see, and I
Speaker 3: think ultimately being able to trying to like, you know,
Speaker 3: frame this in the right way, but absolve ourselves of
Speaker 3: some of the responsibility of how our life turns out,
Speaker 3: sometimes for better and sometimes for worse, because if it's
Speaker 3: in the fate of the stars, then there's only so
Speaker 3: much you can do. But I actually think there's a
Speaker 3: real merit to still thinking that and having some degree
Speaker 3: of that in your life, because the reality is, luck
Speaker 3: plays so much a part in, you know, how our
Speaker 3: lives play out and where we all end up. Whether
Speaker 3: you think that's luck guided by the stars or just
Speaker 3: total randomness of life, it doesn't really matter, so long
Speaker 3: as I think you're not pinning too much of your
Speaker 3: life decisions on it, If that makes sense. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's come out right.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, And that's like I do want
Speaker 1: to preface that. So for example, right this second, I'm
Speaker 1: going to I have this app called Costar, and you
Speaker 1: basically put in your birth date, your birth time, and
Speaker 1: it gives you, you know, like your your sun star,
Speaker 1: your moonstar, your moon z.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many friends who are obsessed with coast.
Speaker 2: Yes, I get the appeal.
Speaker 3: I see the appeal.
Speaker 1: For example, I often go into Kosa and I don't
Speaker 1: agree with like my my daily horoscope and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So for example, let's just look at today. It says,
Speaker 1: let's go on to updates. Bear with me, guys, this
Speaker 1: is not planned, this is real.
Speaker 3: We're off the cuff.
Speaker 1: So it says it's easy to align your intellect with
Speaker 1: your desires.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: Now is the time for you to catch feelings, rediscover
Speaker 1: what's in your closet. That's fucking very.
Speaker 2: Vague, but wow.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll read my crosa and just be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck this is crazy? So I one hundred
Speaker 1: percent I agree with you in the way of I
Speaker 1: don't look at like my horoscope and then decide how
Speaker 1: my day is going to be. I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in like you create your own reality. So like everythink
Speaker 1: I have, Like I'm very much like I go out
Speaker 1: and work for things. I make the first action. But
Speaker 1: I think what you were saying about there's almost this
Speaker 1: sense of relief when you do trust in whether I'm
Speaker 1: personally not religious, so I think I do attract to
Speaker 1: astrology and you know, law of attraction and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing, because you almost have this sense of relief
Speaker 1: that a higher something, whether you know it's God, universe,
Speaker 1: whatever is like I guess like guiding you or has
Speaker 1: your boom or it's almost just this relief of oh
Speaker 1: my God, it's not me against the world. I have
Speaker 1: this force or intuition or whatever with me and it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's almost like comforting.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's like you don't have to do it all
Speaker 3: on your own. It's not the weight of the world
Speaker 3: on your shoulders alone. There's something else supporting you, and
Speaker 3: that can be a relief.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And even though I'm here, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: taking all the actual steps, I'm taking the inspired action.
Speaker 1: I think, just me as a person, I do find
Speaker 1: it comforting having this overarching thing and this overarching belief that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I can make these small steps and
Speaker 1: in the bigger picture, I'm you know, getting closer to
Speaker 1: whatever I want or you know, my desires, beliefs, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And also you know, when things are a
Speaker 1: bit bleak and aren't going right and things are a
Speaker 1: bit in the shit, if you will. For example, like
Speaker 1: with with what's happening with COVID nineteen, I went through
Speaker 1: a couple of bad weeks where I was in this
Speaker 1: place of very like lack of mentality and was just
Speaker 1: struggling a bit because I am such a structured human being.
Speaker 1: And then with you know, the next six to twelve
Speaker 1: months plans out the window, I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was not in the greatest headspace and so kind
Speaker 1: of coming back to the you know, everything happens for
Speaker 1: a reason. Even though my twelve month plan isn't working out,
Speaker 1: it's that or better, you know, like those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: It does give me a sense of relief and I
Speaker 1: can kind of let go of control and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can look at today, I can put one foot
Speaker 1: in front of the other. But you know, like something
Speaker 1: the universe has my back or whatever the saying is.
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, yeah, absolutely does. And you know,
Speaker 3: I guess this chapter of the book, it's probably one
Speaker 3: of the lighter, one of the lighter chapters, but it
Speaker 3: does kind of acknowledge that there really is a merit
Speaker 3: in you know, if you believe in astrology and you
Speaker 3: like to follow the stars, and you know, you read
Speaker 3: your horoscope and you know your your sun and moon
Speaker 3: and rising signs, there can be a real merit to that,
Speaker 3: so long as you have enough awareness and understanding. And
Speaker 3: it sounds like you really do of why they seem
Speaker 3: to work and how it seems to work. And I
Speaker 3: do think like seem to work is the key. Astrology
Speaker 3: and horoscopes are kind of based on this general it's
Speaker 3: all called the Barnum effect, and the book explains it
Speaker 3: much better than I will now, But basically, it's that
Speaker 3: we will identify with and remember those kind of general
Speaker 3: descriptions that astrology tends to use. We remember them more
Speaker 3: so when they seem to match us, and we don't
Speaker 3: really pay much attention when it doesn't seem to match us.
Speaker 3: So that kind of creates this self fulfilling loop where
Speaker 3: you just remember the ones that are good and you
Speaker 3: forget the ones that are bad.
Speaker 1: Ae hundred percent. And it's just like you know, that's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, when you want a certain car and then
Speaker 1: you start seeing it everywhere, Yes, exactly, it's in there
Speaker 1: bit just because you're putting your attention on it. And
Speaker 1: I exactly one hundred percent I agree. I was reading
Speaker 1: this book. I can't remember. I'll have to try and
Speaker 1: think of it and tell you. But basically it's this
Speaker 1: whole book and they did a lot of scientific studies
Speaker 1: on law of attraction and manifesting and so like, for example,
Speaker 1: the study would be they would get this like two
Speaker 1: sample groups and one sample group they would put in
Speaker 1: a room and they'd be like, everyone, think of the
Speaker 1: number eight and you have to like really believe it
Speaker 1: that you're going to get this number eight, and they'd
Speaker 1: have a random black number machine.
Speaker 2: Bear with me, this is a bit of a long story.
Speaker 1: And then the other sample group they would be like,
Speaker 1: think of the number eight, but don't believe in it,
Speaker 1: like it's not actually going to show up. Like basically
Speaker 1: one side is a believer in it and one side isn't.
Speaker 1: And they said, the craziest result of all these studies
Speaker 1: showed if you believe in it, you're correct. If you
Speaker 1: don't believe in it, you're correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly like you get me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, like my brain exploded, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why I do believe in it, because it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, but as long as like it's okay if
Speaker 1: other people don't believe in it, because they're not going
Speaker 1: to see the benefits because they don't believe in it,
Speaker 1: whereas I do. And so one hundred percent, it's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's like self fulfilling prophecy sort of loop.
Speaker 1: But I personally use that to advantage in my life.
Speaker 1: And I've seen very like very much with physical results,
Speaker 1: how that can be played out to my advantage.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And how it can be helpful for you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I totally understand that. Like I think I almost see
Speaker 3: the star signs as another way that people kind of
Speaker 3: use to understand to categorize our personalities. So they're almost
Speaker 3: like personality tests that we're kind of just choosing, which
Speaker 3: I think again, that has its merits. If you read,
Speaker 3: you know, a personality discrima pisces. So if I read
Speaker 3: a description and I thought, ooh, those do sound like
Speaker 3: my strength, those do sound like my flaws, that is
Speaker 3: kind of good because it gives me a bit of
Speaker 3: an awareness of what my you know, flaws and errors
Speaker 3: to work on might be. So I do think.
Speaker 2: There's and you can lean into them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, there's there's there's a lot of merit to
Speaker 3: be had. What I will say personally ticks me off
Speaker 3: so much much. I get so fucked off when this
Speaker 3: happens during the year, the mercury retrograde.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: Oh, I just can't get on board with.
Speaker 1: I know, I saw your answer in the book, and
Speaker 1: I like had a lull because I'm gonna lie, I
Speaker 1: do agree, because I feel like it's happening all the time,
Speaker 1: and I'm like hmmm. Mine's like if my if I'm
Speaker 1: on my period and it's also mercury retrograde, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe exactly.
Speaker 3: And I just I get so fucked off because I
Speaker 3: feel like this is driven a lot by meme culture
Speaker 3: as well and social media. But I do kind of
Speaker 3: think we're approaching this point where we're using mercury retrograde
Speaker 3: as an excuse.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, you know, if shit's going wrong,
Speaker 3: don't worry. Mercury is in retrograde the planet of communication. Like,
Speaker 3: clearly I know a lot about this because I've had
Speaker 3: to research now, haven't I. But it's you know, it
Speaker 3: just but then what about the rest of the year
Speaker 3: when it's not in retrograde and shit goes wrong? Like
Speaker 3: does that mean at those times it's one hundred percent
Speaker 3: your fault? Like this is why I just I can't
Speaker 3: buy into the thing as a whole, because I feel
Speaker 3: like I have to take it all or none.
Speaker 1: I do one hundred agree with you. And that's what's
Speaker 1: really interesting is I'm not like all or nothing with it.
Speaker 1: There's like certain parts that I take and I use
Speaker 1: my life and I'm I'm with you, but then I
Speaker 1: definitely agree with you, and then sometimes I can be
Speaker 1: very much like you know, my brain is like what
Speaker 1: is what are they talking about? Responsibility of your life?
Speaker 3: I do love an astrology meme, though there is the
Speaker 3: astrology memes are good.
Speaker 2: They ah good.
Speaker 1: I love the astrology Instagram accounts where they like do
Speaker 1: funny like star signs with I don't know they match
Speaker 1: it to you know, a personality or like a celebrity
Speaker 1: or something like. It is entertaining for sure. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm going to wrap up this convert
Speaker 1: because we just like went off on a riff which
Speaker 1: I I really enjoyed.
Speaker 3: At the end, I have loved, loved this chat. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: No, it's good, and this is what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: like a good sort of back and forth argument, well
Speaker 1: not even argument, but just conversation. Is can be so
Speaker 1: beneficial and just like really constructive.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's it's one of the ways. It's
Speaker 3: an underrated way. One on one conversation is a really
Speaker 3: underrated way of creating change in the world. I really
Speaker 3: believe that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you so much, and this book is
Speaker 1: so great because you have picked you know, fifteen on
Speaker 1: point topics that everyone should really be around, even if
Speaker 1: it's just to know the opposite argument a hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So thank you for even bringing to the world something
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much of course.
Speaker 1: And lastly, Crystal, something that I do ask all my
Speaker 1: guests at the end of each episode. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like an odd question to ask at the moment with
Speaker 1: everything happening, but what do you find is your source
Speaker 1: of motivation and inspiration?
Speaker 2: Can you link?
Speaker 3: That's a really yeah, that's a really good one. Look.
Speaker 3: I know that you're not supposed to get too much
Speaker 3: external motivation, but I will say every time I get
Speaker 3: a message from someone who's read the book or read
Speaker 3: you know, one of the articles that we're breaking down
Speaker 3: on social media with z feed. Whenever I get messages
Speaker 3: from people saying that it was helpful and that they
Speaker 3: are having conversations about it or they found it interesting,
Speaker 3: that just really lights me up and I do a
Speaker 3: little dance because that's truly the reason why I'm even
Speaker 3: doing any of this. So that is something that I
Speaker 3: really love and keeps pushing me to do the same,
Speaker 3: especially on those tough days where you know, you just
Speaker 3: can't get up and go. I kind of think, you know,
Speaker 3: someone's going to read this and it might help them,
Speaker 3: so you've got to do it. So I suppose that's
Speaker 3: an external motivator, and then internally, I just like to
Speaker 3: try and better myself a little bit each day. If
Speaker 3: you've had a bad day, it's like, Okay, it's fine,
Speaker 3: we'll just get up and try again tomorrow. I think
Speaker 3: that's particularly relevant right now. I've you know, as many people,
Speaker 3: I think, I've had some really good days in isolation,
Speaker 3: and I've had some really bad days, and it's really
Speaker 3: just one foot in front of the other at this point.
Speaker 1: I love that I resonate with that so much. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm such a planner. So a big thing
Speaker 1: for me right now is exactly that, just like looking
Speaker 1: at today, what can I do today for myself to
Speaker 1: move forward in you know, my projects or goals or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then that's enough, leaving it as that and not
Speaker 1: getting caught up in you know, the future or the
Speaker 1: bigger pitch out because it is just so uncertain.
Speaker 2: Right now, it really is.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Crystal, this has been a delight.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Georgie of course.
Speaker 1: And that's a wrap on another episode of the Rise
Speaker 1: and Conker Podcast. I hope you got something valuable from it,
Speaker 1: and I want to say a big thank you for
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Speaker 2: I really really do appreciate it.
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