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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcasts. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: for women who want to take ownership of their lives,

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Speaker 1: live unapologetically, and are ready to turn their biggest dreams

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Speaker 1: into their reality. If you're ready to be armed with

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Speaker 1: the tools that will inspire to take bold action, feel

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Speaker 1: confident within yourself, and conquer your goals, then you've come

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Speaker 1: to the right place. I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm

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Speaker 1: a lawyer turned entrepreneur, co founder of Naked Harvest Supplements,

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Speaker 2: Three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: I grew up believing I had to pursue the safe

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Speaker 1: option and fit into a mold others had created for me.

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Speaker 1: But then I entered my corporate law job and I

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Speaker 1: realized that settling for a reality that did I didn't set

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Speaker 1: to do. I wanted more, and I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: you do too. Join me and special guests weekly as

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Speaker 1: we get down to the nitty gritty on all things health,

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Speaker 1: mastering your mindset, creating lasting habits, thriving in your career

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Speaker 1: and relationships, plus so much more, and together we'll gain

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Speaker 1: the knowledge and perspective to pursue our wildest dreams and

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Speaker 1: kick fear to the curb. Well, what are you waiting for?

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Speaker 1: Let's rise and conquer, Hey guys, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Rise and Conquer podcast. Today I am chatting with

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Speaker 1: Crystal Andrews. Crystal is a journalist and author of the

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Speaker 1: little Book with a Big Mission called How to Win

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Speaker 1: Every Argument.

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Speaker 2: Well bloody love that title.

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Speaker 1: This book aims to help people get informed on the

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Speaker 1: fifteen hottest issues that shape our society and learn how

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Speaker 1: to stay calm while debating them. And let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: we even had our little calm discussion about astrology in

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Speaker 2: I really loved this conbo.

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Speaker 1: We also dive into a couple of chapters about her

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Speaker 1: book and hear about why having big conversations on big

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Speaker 1: be respectful of each other's views. I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: straight into it. Welcome to the show, Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me. Georgie, it's a pleasure

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Speaker 3: to be here. Digitally virtually.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I know. I'm so excited because I, well

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Speaker 1: the audience will know this, you would know this, but

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Speaker 1: I did law, and so I'm all about arguments. It's

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Speaker 1: something I'm very interested in and I'm really excited to

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Speaker 2: But before we get.

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Speaker 1: Into that, something that I always ask my guests is

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Speaker 1: what season are they currently in. Of course, we are

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Speaker 1: just wondering what does this season look like for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's quite interesting actually because right now I

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Speaker 3: almost like I've had you know, we're all bunkered down

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Speaker 3: And I think that's almost like I needed that time then,

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting because, like you said, it's a little

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, it is. It's funny you say that because

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow, Crystal? Who is she? I'm a journalist and

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Speaker 3: Every Argument, and that really hones in on the fifteen

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Speaker 3: Because I guess what I've learned over my career is

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Speaker 3: So that's what I wanted to bring. Provide that context,

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Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely love that, And I couldn't agree more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and have a bit of your own opinion because

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And a lot of the time people

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Speaker 1: it really has I feel like it really has like

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Speaker 1: showt not a light on the climate change issues in

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Speaker 1: just a bit of a different way where it's almost

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Speaker 1: like people are understanding it a bit more too, which

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Speaker 1: is really good. But sorry, that was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a website bit there, So can you kind of explain

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Speaker 1: the misconceptions about climate change and why do people argue

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Speaker 1: about it?

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Speaker 3: There was just so much freakin' misinformation on the internet

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Speaker 3: about climate change and our role in it, and that

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Speaker 3: I think means that there's a lot of stuff to

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Speaker 3: people for people to argue about, because there's information and

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Speaker 3: then there's twisted information, and it just kind of like

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Speaker 3: keeps going in this perpetual cycle. But the main big

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Speaker 3: misconception that I kept seeing was people saying that this

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Speaker 3: would have been happening anyway, and that at previous times

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Speaker 3: in the history of the planet, the climate has been

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Speaker 3: it's been hotter, the seal levels have been higher, it's

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Speaker 3: been far more hostile than it is right now, So

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Speaker 3: that proves that it's not our fault, because the funny

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Speaker 3: thing is that that's kind of true, but it's besides

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Speaker 3: the point. And I didn't see a lot of people

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Speaker 3: addressing the fact that it was beside the point. So

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Speaker 3: if someone says, you know, oh, the climate was already

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Speaker 3: two degrees hotter than it is now three million years ago,

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Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, okay, but you know, there were no

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Speaker 3: humans living on the planet then and we are here now,

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Speaker 3: so it does matter how that same temperature increase impacts

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Speaker 3: our lives now. It's kind of irrelevant that it was

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Speaker 3: hotter before, And I didn't see a lot of people

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Speaker 3: addressing that part of the issue.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's like a windy argument right there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, case closed.

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Speaker 1: That fit, and you do like, I really recommend everyone

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Speaker 1: to read this book because even though we're kind of

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Speaker 1: skimming over it because obviously this is, you know, a

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Speaker 1: short podcast, but do really recommend because even though we're

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Speaker 1: just talking about little snippets, like Crystal really goes into

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Speaker 1: each aspect and I did like something I did really

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Speaker 1: love about the book is like each chapter is only

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Speaker 1: two or three pages. I think it's two, and it's

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Speaker 1: like you have basically what they would say and how

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Speaker 1: at each side of the argument.

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Speaker 2: So it does really equip you. So yeah, really love that.

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Speaker 1: let's get back into the show. Let's change topics and

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Speaker 1: let's talk about home ownership. So what arguments occur about

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Speaker 1: this topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was one again obviously, as you'd imagine, very

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Speaker 3: much inspired by my dad and the arguments that we

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Speaker 3: would sometimes have about it. And again and broadly the

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Speaker 3: commentary that you see online with people just getting stuck

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Speaker 3: into millennials for having too much avocado toast and that's

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Speaker 3: why they can't afford to buy property, and you know,

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Speaker 3: then the millennials getting stuck into the boomers saying, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, you've created this situation where it's an impossible

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Speaker 3: housing market to get into. And this was really one

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Speaker 3: for me, I think, where I know that I had

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Speaker 3: the feeling it was harder to buy property now than

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Speaker 3: it was in, for example, the seventies, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: know that for sure, so I wanted to really investigate it,

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Speaker 3: go and find all of the numbers and oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: researching this chapter was like a kind of a pain

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Speaker 3: because it involved like going into the ABS data from

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven and nineteen ninety seven and scrolling through

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Speaker 3: all these reports and trying to you know, figure out

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Speaker 3: all these huge tables with all this data in it.

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Speaker 3: So it was a bit of a mission. But I've

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Speaker 3: been able to like condense that into a much smaller

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Speaker 3: table that just compares the prices, the average price of

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Speaker 3: the houses over three differentferent decades, average incomes over three

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Speaker 3: different decades, so that you can really just see at

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Speaker 3: a glance what the situation is. And yeah, this one,

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Speaker 3: for me, you know, it is a simplified take on

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Speaker 3: the topic because there are so many factors that go

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Speaker 3: into it, of course, but for me, it just really

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Speaker 3: is that stat that you know drives at home that

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Speaker 3: even though our salaries, the average salary is so much

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Speaker 3: higher than it was, you know, three or four decades ago,

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Speaker 3: the average price of a home in Australia has gone

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Speaker 3: up twenty times what it was, And that's kind of

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Speaker 3: the you know, that's the one that I hold up

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Speaker 3: and say, this is clearly not the same way. Not

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Speaker 3: comparing light for like, it's not about spending too much

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Speaker 3: at the coffee shop. It's kind of about a more

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Speaker 3: fundamental problem. I don't have the solution for it, but

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Speaker 3: at least we can kind of get a better understanding

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Speaker 3: of where we all stand and almost stop that generational

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Speaker 3: argument where it's just two sides at each other, Like, really,

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Speaker 3: we should all be on the same page with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, one hundred percent. And I love that you

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Speaker 1: did have that table and there it was very simplified.

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Speaker 1: I love that you did speak about even like the

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Speaker 1: cost of living. I know, I think you spoke about

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Speaker 1: like a big mac or something like that, and it's

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Speaker 1: just like, the cost of living is just so much

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Speaker 1: more to since the seventies.

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Speaker 3: It is, there's so much that goes into it. I

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Speaker 3: love that big Mac indicator. I think it was actually

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Speaker 3: a concept. It's a concept that's been around for a

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Speaker 3: little while. But they map the price of a big

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Speaker 3: Mac over the different years because that's kind of an

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Speaker 3: indicator of what the cost of living is, because you know,

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Speaker 3: as time goes by, the price of things increase, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: when you compare it across all the decades, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: But then also really informative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it's so interesting. I was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it was so cheap back then.

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Speaker 3: And the whole point, like, you know, the whole point

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Speaker 3: of the book is really to your point, like to

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Speaker 3: make it accessible and simple and quick, like nobody wants to.

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Speaker 3: I don't wish upon anyone to have to read did

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Speaker 3: the abs tables that I had to read to write

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Speaker 3: this chapter? Like it needs to be quick and easy

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Speaker 3: to understand, I think for people to dive into because

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Speaker 3: otherwise just who has the time?

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Speaker 1: Literally awesome, I just want to I just want to

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Speaker 1: go into one more topic before we wrap. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: this is this is going to be a bit controversial.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. So you do have a whole chapter.

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Speaker 1: I when I say whole chapter eight is two pages.

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Speaker 1: I know, I keep saying a little chapter. And see

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Speaker 1: this is this is the interesting part. So you do

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Speaker 1: have a chapter on astrology. And I am someone like

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Speaker 1: I did a law degree. I'm very structured, I'm very

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Speaker 1: science based, but like I believe in astrology. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna put it out there. My star

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Speaker 1: signed all that sort of stuff. And you do have

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Speaker 1: this ad chapter where you go into it, and you

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Speaker 1: were kind of on the opposite side, and it was

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Speaker 1: quite insightful for me because you're really seeing both sides

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Speaker 1: of the argument, which I do enjoy, even though it's

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Speaker 1: probably not what I wanted to hear, if I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be very honest with you, but I do love

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Speaker 1: that you have both sides of the argument and you

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Speaker 1: really go into it. Did you find it it was

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Speaker 1: like kind of difficult going from both sides of the argument,

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Speaker 1: or did you.

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Speaker 2: Just kind of go off your own beliefs.

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Speaker 3: It was I would say it was difficult, but it

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Speaker 3: was really interesting and opening to me to approach both sides.

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Speaker 3: I knew I wanted to set it up that way

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Speaker 3: because it's more like a conversation, and the whole purpose

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Speaker 3: of the book is to encourage people to stimulate conversation

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Speaker 3: and get into, you know, discussions, So I knew that

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Speaker 3: I wanted to be framed as two people kind of

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Speaker 3: having that debate, and I guess like to do the

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Speaker 3: research for that, I had to go down these rabbit

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Speaker 3: holes of you know, forums and comment threads and reading

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Speaker 3: opinion pieces that were the total opposite to what I believe.

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Speaker 3: Because you kind of need to find out what the

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Speaker 3: other half thinks and what the other side is saying

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Speaker 3: if you want to get into a genuine communication with people,

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Speaker 3: because otherwise, like I said, you're just yelling your opinions

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Speaker 3: out into the abyss and not really caring who respond.

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Speaker 3: So you do have to understand the other side. It

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Speaker 3: was fascinating reading some of these, you know, some of

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Speaker 3: these threads and some of the things people believe.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do. I do love about it because,

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Speaker 1: even like I said, even if you're on the opposite

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Speaker 1: tie side, I think it is very beneficial when you

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Speaker 1: know what the other person is thinking and you can

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Speaker 1: almost have I'm trying to think of what's the word,

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Speaker 1: like almost have a bit of a respect for their opinion,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So, like even me reading the

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Speaker 1: astrology section, like in my head, I was going, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 1: I still believe what I believe, but it's good to

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Speaker 1: know what you know other people could be thinking. That

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Speaker 1: makes sense, And it's like having a bit more respect

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Speaker 1: to the other side because it is kind of spelled

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Speaker 1: out a bit more fear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and like you know, probably not as relevant

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Speaker 3: to the astrology will come back to that, but for

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Speaker 3: some of the chapters. When I was doing all of

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Speaker 3: this reading about what other people think, what really struck

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Speaker 3: me is that for most of us I'm talking like

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Speaker 3: for ninety percent of the of the comments and the

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Speaker 3: articles that I was reading, people are all driven by

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Speaker 3: the same thing, and that's fear. And that is really

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Speaker 3: something we can all relate to because when it comes

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Speaker 3: down to it, like you know, anti vaxxers, they are

653
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Speaker 3: scared for the safety of their children. You can't argue, Like,

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Speaker 3: you can argue with that, but you can have respect

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Speaker 3: for that as you're saying, you can understand it and

656
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: appreciate where they're coming from. You know, a lot of

657
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 3: people who support coal mining in Australia, they're scared for

658
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 3: their own job security. They're scared for the very fragile

659
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: local economies of their communities. And again you can't really

660
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: blame them for that, Like I would be scared of

661
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: that too if it was my local community. And so

662
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: even though you might have to do a bit of

663
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 3: digging with someone to find out what is driving their belief,

664
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: I think when you get to that place of understanding

665
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 3: where the opinion comes from, why they think the things

666
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: that they do, you know, where their information comes from.

667
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: You know, what do they read, who do they listen to.

668
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: You can get a real sense for why people think that.

669
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: And it's just made me so much more aware of

670
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: how I go about in the world, how other people

671
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: exist in the world, and it's important to be sensitive

672
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: to other people, even though it might seem on the

673
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: face that they're really aggressive or tough or whatever. It

674
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: is a lot of the time is underpinned by fear.

675
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's so interesting and so yeah, that's so correct.

676
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, Like it does take a while, I

677
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: think to get to that bottom layer. Like there's this

678
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: technique called the five wise. I don't know if you

679
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: have heard about this or kind of come across the theory,

680
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: but it was originally developed I think by the founder

681
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: of Toyota. Might have to fact check that one. I

682
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: think it was Toyota, and it was a technique that

683
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: they were using in the you know, in their car

684
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: manufacturer to find, like to try and solve functional issues

685
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: that they were having with the cars. But the general

686
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: concept is you go through and you continue to ask

687
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 3: why why why until you get to the core problem.

688
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: And if you solve the core problem, you'll fix the

689
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: issue right at the top, and that really applies, I

690
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 3: think to some of these arguments. If you ask someone

691
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: why they believe what they do, you know, and just

692
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: keep drilling down, you can find a commonality and something

693
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: that you can understand, something that you can appreciate, and

694
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: something that you can actually discuss with them in probably

695
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: a more constructive way than just having an argument about,

696
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: you know, about something that's very personal to both.

697
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Yes, I love what you just said. The word constructive.

698
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: That's what I felt like when I was reading the book,

699
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: Like even if I you know what I was just

700
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: saying about astrology, e though I didn't necessarily agree, it

701
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: felt very constructive knowing the other side, knowing the kind

702
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: of points and being like, oh that's fair enough, Like

703
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: respecting that constructive.

704
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, i'd love to know, Like what you know

705
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: what appeals? Like you? Why do you like astrology? Tell

706
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 3: me I'm selling to this now.

707
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: There's really I was actually thinking about this.

708
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: I was like, should I bring this up?

709
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Because I often have No, it's definitely not an argument.

710
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: But the only way I can kind of explain it

711
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: is like, for instance, like I even though I am

712
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: someone who's definitely like I'm ostructured. I love facts, I

713
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: love science, I love all that.

714
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: Sort of thing.

715
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: But it just because I'm let me, let me get

716
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: my tray to thought into order. Basically, you know, like

717
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: if you think about it, we haven't found out everything

718
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: in the world, Like we haven't. I guarantee there's you know,

719
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: like maybe animal species we don't know about it, or

720
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: like different stuff we haven't figured out. And so my

721
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: thing is just because we fully don't understand it right

722
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: now doesn't mean we weren't in the future. So for example,

723
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, like I'm talking medieval times,

724
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: there was certain stuff that they just like couldn't understand.

725
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: Where's now We're like, oh my god, you're so silly,

726
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, gravity. You can't see it, you can't

727
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: feel it. It's such a hard concept to grasp, but

728
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: we know it's there because we're standing on the earth,

729
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So I'm a big believer in

730
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: like law of attraction and manifesting, which is so hard

731
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: to kind of grasp and put down into you know,

732
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: a specific structure or words or science or something like that.

733
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: But like I really have this like trust in this

734
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: like bigger thing of Oh my gosh, I just like.

735
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: I feel it. I feel it.

736
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, and that's obviously

737
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: just me as a person.

738
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: Does that make sense, It absolutely makes sense. And like

739
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: this is really the appeal of astrology in particular and

740
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: a lot of those similar kind of belief systems. I mean,

741
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: this is the underpinning of religion, like astrology is.

742
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to say that, but then I didn't

743
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: want to.

744
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, astrology is probably, like you know, a lighter way

745
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: to dipute into what is ultimately a discussion about faith

746
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: and belief, which is so personal to people. And there's really,

747
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, not a lot of right and wrong way

748
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: to have faith and have belief at all. And yeah,

749
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: that's the role that astrology has played in all kinds

750
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: of societies throughout history as a way of understanding the world,

751
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: of understanding the things that we cannot see, and I

752
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: think ultimately being able to trying to like, you know,

753
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: frame this in the right way, but absolve ourselves of

754
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 3: some of the responsibility of how our life turns out,

755
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: sometimes for better and sometimes for worse, because if it's

756
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: in the fate of the stars, then there's only so

757
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: much you can do. But I actually think there's a

758
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: real merit to still thinking that and having some degree

759
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: of that in your life, because the reality is, luck

760
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: plays so much a part in, you know, how our

761
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: lives play out and where we all end up. Whether

762
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: you think that's luck guided by the stars or just

763
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: total randomness of life, it doesn't really matter, so long

764
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: as I think you're not pinning too much of your

765
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: life decisions on it, If that makes sense. I don't

766
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: know if that's come out right.

767
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you, And that's like I do want

768
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: to preface that. So for example, right this second, I'm

769
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: going to I have this app called Costar, and you

770
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: basically put in your birth date, your birth time, and

771
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: it gives you, you know, like your your sun star,

772
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: your moonstar, your moon z.

773
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so many friends who are obsessed with coast.

774
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I get the appeal.

775
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: I see the appeal.

776
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: For example, I often go into Kosa and I don't

777
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: agree with like my my daily horoscope and stuff like that.

778
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: So for example, let's just look at today. It says,

779
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: let's go on to updates. Bear with me, guys, this

780
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: is not planned, this is real.

781
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: We're off the cuff.

782
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: So it says it's easy to align your intellect with

783
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: your desires.

784
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: Today.

785
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: Now is the time for you to catch feelings, rediscover

786
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: what's in your closet. That's fucking very.

787
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: Vague, but wow.

788
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll read my crosa and just be like,

789
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck this is crazy? So I one hundred

790
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: percent I agree with you in the way of I

791
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: don't look at like my horoscope and then decide how

792
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: my day is going to be. I'm a big believer

793
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: in like you create your own reality. So like everythink

794
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I have, Like I'm very much like I go out

795
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: and work for things. I make the first action. But

796
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: I think what you were saying about there's almost this

797
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: sense of relief when you do trust in whether I'm

798
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: personally not religious, so I think I do attract to

799
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: astrology and you know, law of attraction and that sort

800
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: of thing, because you almost have this sense of relief

801
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: that a higher something, whether you know it's God, universe,

802
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: whatever is like I guess like guiding you or has

803
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: your boom or it's almost just this relief of oh

804
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: my God, it's not me against the world. I have

805
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: this force or intuition or whatever with me and it.

806
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's almost like comforting.

807
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's like you don't have to do it all

808
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: on your own. It's not the weight of the world

809
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: on your shoulders alone. There's something else supporting you, and

810
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: that can be a relief.

811
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And even though I'm here, I'm like, I'm

812
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: taking all the actual steps, I'm taking the inspired action.

813
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: I think, just me as a person, I do find

814
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: it comforting having this overarching thing and this overarching belief that,

815
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, like I can make these small steps and

816
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: in the bigger picture, I'm you know, getting closer to

817
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: whatever I want or you know, my desires, beliefs, blah

818
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: blah blah. And also you know, when things are a

819
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: bit bleak and aren't going right and things are a

820
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: bit in the shit, if you will. For example, like

821
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: with with what's happening with COVID nineteen, I went through

822
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: a couple of bad weeks where I was in this

823
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: place of very like lack of mentality and was just

824
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: struggling a bit because I am such a structured human being.

825
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: And then with you know, the next six to twelve

826
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: months plans out the window, I was just like, yeah,

827
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: I was not in the greatest headspace and so kind

828
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: of coming back to the you know, everything happens for

829
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: a reason. Even though my twelve month plan isn't working out,

830
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: it's that or better, you know, like those sorts of things.

831
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: It does give me a sense of relief and I

832
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: can kind of let go of control and be like, Okay,

833
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: I can look at today, I can put one foot

834
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: in front of the other. But you know, like something

835
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: the universe has my back or whatever the saying is.

836
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: If that makes sense, yeah, absolutely does. And you know,

837
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: I guess this chapter of the book, it's probably one

838
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: of the lighter, one of the lighter chapters, but it

839
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: does kind of acknowledge that there really is a merit

840
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: in you know, if you believe in astrology and you

841
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: like to follow the stars, and you know, you read

842
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: your horoscope and you know your your sun and moon

843
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: and rising signs, there can be a real merit to that,

844
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: so long as you have enough awareness and understanding. And

845
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: it sounds like you really do of why they seem

846
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: to work and how it seems to work. And I

847
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: do think like seem to work is the key. Astrology

848
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: and horoscopes are kind of based on this general it's

849
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: all called the Barnum effect, and the book explains it

850
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 3: much better than I will now, But basically, it's that

851
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: we will identify with and remember those kind of general

852
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: descriptions that astrology tends to use. We remember them more

853
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 3: so when they seem to match us, and we don't

854
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: really pay much attention when it doesn't seem to match us.

855
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: So that kind of creates this self fulfilling loop where

856
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: you just remember the ones that are good and you

857
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: forget the ones that are bad.

858
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Ae hundred percent. And it's just like you know, that's saying,

859
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, when you want a certain car and then

860
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: you start seeing it everywhere, Yes, exactly, it's in there

861
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: bit just because you're putting your attention on it. And

862
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: I exactly one hundred percent I agree. I was reading

863
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: this book. I can't remember. I'll have to try and

864
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: think of it and tell you. But basically it's this

865
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: whole book and they did a lot of scientific studies

866
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: on law of attraction and manifesting and so like, for example,

867
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the study would be they would get this like two

868
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: sample groups and one sample group they would put in

869
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: a room and they'd be like, everyone, think of the

870
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: number eight and you have to like really believe it

871
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: that you're going to get this number eight, and they'd

872
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: have a random black number machine.

873
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: Bear with me, this is a bit of a long story.

874
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: And then the other sample group they would be like,

875
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: think of the number eight, but don't believe in it,

876
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: like it's not actually going to show up. Like basically

877
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: one side is a believer in it and one side isn't.

878
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: And they said, the craziest result of all these studies

879
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: showed if you believe in it, you're correct. If you

880
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: don't believe in it, you're correct.

881
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly like you get me.

882
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, like my brain exploded, and I

883
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: think that's why I do believe in it, because it's

884
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: like yeah, but as long as like it's okay if

885
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: other people don't believe in it, because they're not going

886
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: to see the benefits because they don't believe in it,

887
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: whereas I do. And so one hundred percent, it's like

888
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: you said, it's like self fulfilling prophecy sort of loop.

889
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: But I personally use that to advantage in my life.

890
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: And I've seen very like very much with physical results,

891
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: how that can be played out to my advantage.

892
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.

893
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: And how it can be helpful for you. Yeah, no,

894
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: I totally understand that. Like I think I almost see

895
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: the star signs as another way that people kind of

896
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: use to understand to categorize our personalities. So they're almost

897
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: like personality tests that we're kind of just choosing, which

898
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: I think again, that has its merits. If you read,

899
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: you know, a personality discrima pisces. So if I read

900
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: a description and I thought, ooh, those do sound like

901
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: my strength, those do sound like my flaws, that is

902
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: kind of good because it gives me a bit of

903
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 3: an awareness of what my you know, flaws and errors

904
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 3: to work on might be. So I do think.

905
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: There's and you can lean into them.

906
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, there's there's there's a lot of merit to

907
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: be had. What I will say personally ticks me off

908
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: so much much. I get so fucked off when this

909
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 3: happens during the year, the mercury retrograde.

910
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: Shit.

911
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: Oh, I just can't get on board with.

912
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: I know, I saw your answer in the book, and

913
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: I like had a lull because I'm gonna lie, I

914
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: do agree, because I feel like it's happening all the time,

915
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: and I'm like hmmm. Mine's like if my if I'm

916
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: on my period and it's also mercury retrograde, I'm like, oh, yeah,

917
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: I believe exactly.

918
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 3: And I just I get so fucked off because I

919
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: feel like this is driven a lot by meme culture

920
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: as well and social media. But I do kind of

921
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 3: think we're approaching this point where we're using mercury retrograde

922
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: as an excuse.

923
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you.

924
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, you know, if shit's going wrong,

925
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: don't worry. Mercury is in retrograde the planet of communication. Like,

926
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: clearly I know a lot about this because I've had

927
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: to research now, haven't I. But it's you know, it

928
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: just but then what about the rest of the year

929
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: when it's not in retrograde and shit goes wrong? Like

930
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: does that mean at those times it's one hundred percent

931
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: your fault? Like this is why I just I can't

932
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 3: buy into the thing as a whole, because I feel

933
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: like I have to take it all or none.

934
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: I do one hundred agree with you. And that's what's

935
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: really interesting is I'm not like all or nothing with it.

936
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: There's like certain parts that I take and I use

937
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: my life and I'm I'm with you, but then I

938
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: definitely agree with you, and then sometimes I can be

939
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: very much like you know, my brain is like what

940
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: is what are they talking about? Responsibility of your life?

941
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: I do love an astrology meme, though there is the

942
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: astrology memes are good.

943
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: They ah good.

944
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: I love the astrology Instagram accounts where they like do

945
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: funny like star signs with I don't know they match

946
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: it to you know, a personality or like a celebrity

947
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: or something like. It is entertaining for sure. Well, thank

948
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: you so much. I'm going to wrap up this convert

949
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: because we just like went off on a riff which

950
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: I I really enjoyed.

951
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: At the end, I have loved, loved this chat. Thank

952
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: you so much for having me.

953
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: No, it's good, and this is what I'm talking about,

954
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: like a good sort of back and forth argument, well

955
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: not even argument, but just conversation. Is can be so

956
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: beneficial and just like really constructive.

957
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it's it's one of the ways. It's

958
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: an underrated way. One on one conversation is a really

959
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: underrated way of creating change in the world. I really

960
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: believe that.

961
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you so much, and this book is

962
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: so great because you have picked you know, fifteen on

963
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: point topics that everyone should really be around, even if

964
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: it's just to know the opposite argument a hundred percent.

965
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: So thank you for even bringing to the world something

966
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: like this.

967
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much of course.

968
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: And lastly, Crystal, something that I do ask all my

969
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: guests at the end of each episode. It's kind of

970
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: like an odd question to ask at the moment with

971
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: everything happening, but what do you find is your source

972
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: of motivation and inspiration?

973
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: Can you link?

974
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: That's a really yeah, that's a really good one. Look.

975
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 3: I know that you're not supposed to get too much

976
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 3: external motivation, but I will say every time I get

977
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: a message from someone who's read the book or read

978
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 3: you know, one of the articles that we're breaking down

979
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: on social media with z feed. Whenever I get messages

980
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: from people saying that it was helpful and that they

981
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: are having conversations about it or they found it interesting,

982
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: that just really lights me up and I do a

983
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: little dance because that's truly the reason why I'm even

984
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: doing any of this. So that is something that I

985
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: really love and keeps pushing me to do the same,

986
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: especially on those tough days where you know, you just

987
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 3: can't get up and go. I kind of think, you know,

988
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: someone's going to read this and it might help them,

989
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: so you've got to do it. So I suppose that's

990
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: an external motivator, and then internally, I just like to

991
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: try and better myself a little bit each day. If

992
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 3: you've had a bad day, it's like, Okay, it's fine,

993
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: we'll just get up and try again tomorrow. I think

994
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 3: that's particularly relevant right now. I've you know, as many people,

995
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: I think, I've had some really good days in isolation,

996
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 3: and I've had some really bad days, and it's really

997
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: just one foot in front of the other at this point.

998
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: I love that I resonate with that so much. Like

999
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: I said, I'm such a planner. So a big thing

1000
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: for me right now is exactly that, just like looking

1001
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: at today, what can I do today for myself to

1002
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: move forward in you know, my projects or goals or whatever,

1003
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: and then that's enough, leaving it as that and not

1004
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: getting caught up in you know, the future or the

1005
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: bigger pitch out because it is just so uncertain.

1006
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: Right now, it really is.

1007
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Crystal, this has been a delight.

1008
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Georgie of course.

1009
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,799
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1010
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