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Speaker 3: I've chosen to stay in my aking marriage.

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Speaker 1: With two kids.

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Speaker 3: After that means that my husband has attended a brothel.

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Speaker 2: Attended a brothel. Now, how do you know that?

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Speaker 3: Well, he brought home an STI and I got him.

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Speaker 1: Lord Charlie, Oh wait, so you've so he's told you

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Speaker 3: He tried to blame me for it. He tried to yes,

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Speaker 4: And I thought, I thought that at brothels they very

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Speaker 3: I told him to go back and explain it, and

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Speaker 3: they've given me the same speech. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: Elephant in the room. Your man's going to brothels and

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Speaker 3: Well, that's like I'm learning to get through it with

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Speaker 4: That's what I was going to ask you, like, why

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Speaker 3: Our sex lives, our social life? Everything was fine and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you consider it cheating?

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Speaker 1: Well can I tell you from a man perspective in

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Speaker 1: Not in our mind like I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: But he would still I would imagine love you the same,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're you you're saying, because it's a paid thing,

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Speaker 1: I would say, I don't know him, but yeah, and.

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Speaker 4: There's no feelings there, but like, it's still the ultimate betrayal.

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Speaker 4: Like sex is the most personal thing that you share

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Speaker 2: But Charlie, surely there's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 3: We've tried then to keep it between the two of us,

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Speaker 4: Oh, so you're saying, before you guys started, like before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you always knew about it. But

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he didn't have to get that of the

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Speaker 3: Well, I try to query that. It doesn't seem like it.

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Speaker 2: What happens if he does it again?

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Speaker 4: Charlie, Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Do

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah? Absolutely, God he clearly I've never been to

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Speaker 2: Thanks, you know, And You'll think I'm just saying it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't do it for me.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is, yeah, the like chasing to try

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Speaker 4: Knowing that like three other dudes have been in there.

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Speaker 2: It's the pain. It's just so transactional. There's no romance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sex isn't Sex isn't that important to me to

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Speaker 2: Well, Charlie, where we're going to see what people think?

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Speaker 3: Appreciate that if it's just as simple, I paid for

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Speaker 2: on Kiss one Direction. Now, yeah, we're doing some therapy

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Speaker 2: for our listener Charlie who's called in. You'll hear the

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Speaker 4: In a nutshell, Charlie's obviously called in. She's basically discovered

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Speaker 1: Because the first thing he's done when when she caught

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Speaker 4: Did probably just cheating with other girls.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Megan's just called in to back you up on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, guys, I can't be up to further roule

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound like yeah, yeah, you're saying that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, denise your opinion.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I fully agree. The first thing I heard out

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Speaker 5: He's where is he?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the fact that she said during our

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Speaker 4: And even the fact that you said, you know, are

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Speaker 4: we're keeping it just between us. That would be him

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Speaker 7: I don't agree with Charlie at all. I think that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So leave you're everyone that's called in it saying

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Speaker 2: And who knows.

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Speaker 4: Charlie needs to one million percent leave that relationship. There

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Speaker 4: Great, are you a non brothel guy?

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Speaker 2: I said it when we were talking to Charlie. I

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Speaker 1: Guy would say that. Yeah, every guy.

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Speaker 4: Who's an, you are right.

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Speaker 2: Every one. I mean, no guy's going to admit apart.

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Speaker 1: From Charlie's I'm a beathel guy.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. But I know the truth and that's all

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Speaker 1: What percentage of your friends guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh, John, Yeah, Hey John, Hey, Hey man, Am I right?

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Speaker 5: I'm I don't have anything against it, but personally I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I just don't feel like paying for it. Yeah, is

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Speaker 5: the person actually wanting to do it with you. But

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Speaker 5: I can say for a fact that all sex workers,

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And it's extremely, extremely unlikely that he caught it off

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Speaker 5: He is fily transactional, and I think it's a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but from what we hear, he probably is

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Speaker 2: actually cheating and not even going to Bros.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have a good weekend, Charlie.