1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: This is a journey. 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: It will sound pop up the valule Crazy releases the 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: History of Sound. This week we are looking at the 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: history of sound and the National Film and Sound Archive 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: of Australia has kindly teamed up with us to talk 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: all about it. Today we are looking at vinyl records. 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: I mean, who can forget doing this? 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: That's a well worn one. 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: That is well one I nicely sounded like that From 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia. 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Crispian Windsor, good morning, welcome, good. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: Morning, Yes, good to talk to you both. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: Now, when was the first vinyl record made? 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: It was nineteen forty eight. That's when so it scens 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 3: start to get a bit different. They were slack records 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 3: up to that point, but then they wind records to 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: go a bit longer and to be made of more 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 3: of a durable quality, And nineteen forty eight was the 20 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: first time that was done. And I think they were 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: sold in nineteen forty. 22 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Nine, include seventy eight and forty five. 23 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: And well seventy eights, forty fives was slightly later, so 24 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: it was seventy eight. Still in nineteen forty eight, Yeah, 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 3: they were certainly around on shellac, but that was still 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: the standard in nineteen forty eight until they started to 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 3: get the bigger thirty three c three inches three up. 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: In sorry yeah yeah, twelve inches and. 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: Seven inch discs which are forty five revolutions permittent correct. 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Okay, so what can you explain what schillaci is for? 31 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: Starta So when they were going from because I think 32 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: of a shalakan and the footy, what's what was she? 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: Yeah? 34 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: Well it was a much different sort of piece of 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: material where it was very very brittle, and the sound 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: wasn't that great either, but it was very easy to 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: break and it didn't take much further things to for 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: sill act just to shatter this and yeah there, so 39 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: the sound wasn't fantastic either, so something had to be done. 40 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: I think at that point. 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Why were there so many formats and recording lengths with 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: the vinyl album? 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: There were a lot. 44 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: It took them a long time to come up with 45 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: the sort of a standardized size and format. There were 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: some the speeds at points sometimes it was a slowest 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: sixty revolutions per minute, and even as fast as one 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty revolutions permitute, which is pretty fast. It 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: took a long time. They really didn't. The records weren't 50 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: standardized to seventy eight RPM until muchs later, and then 51 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: in nineteen forty eight is when there standardized more into 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: seventiesh discs and twelve inch discs. 53 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely move well, been into the second hand shop 54 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: or spoken to Nana and seeing those those really old 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: heavy things they've build. 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were very weighty, very thick, weren't they. 57 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, they're really heavy. 58 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 59 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: I don't have any myself, but yeah, you can still 60 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: see them around in optops and things like that. 61 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: At times, I was used to be fascinated by the 62 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: fact that my albums just had the little hole to put, 63 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: you know, over the you know, onto the record player, 64 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: and my dad's old seventy eight had like a big, 65 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 2: sort of elaborate pattern in the middle that was cut out. 66 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: Why are the different cutouts. 67 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's a very American thing. Mainly it was just 68 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: for juke boxes. So the big yeah, we used to 69 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: juke boxes. You can still get them around. Some people 70 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: still make them with a bigger hole, but basically it 71 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: was for juke boxes in America primarily. 72 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: And as also. Is that why they're measured in inches? 73 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Just an American thing. 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: Totally, Yeah, and for some reason that never changed when 75 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: it went around the World's always changed. Yeah, seven inch 76 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: and twelve. 77 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Inches because most of my twelve inch remix extended versions 78 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: that I waited six months to come to a ride, 79 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: those are coming from the UK. 80 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, yes, you go, Christin. 81 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: That's the reason. 82 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: What about rock and roll? I mean rock and roll? 83 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: You know, the music changed, and so did the way 84 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: that people, young people bought music so. 85 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: That they really annoy their parents. It did change. The 86 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: distribution changed too. 87 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: That it really did, and I think a lot of 88 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: that was to do with the portability of record players 89 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: as well. You start to get really small one so 90 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: people could sort of take any words at anybody's houses. 91 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: And vinyl really was a big revolution of that, especially 92 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: the forty the seven inch discs around that time. Singles 93 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: start to be extremely popular in the nineteen fifties from 94 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 3: the onset of rock and roll. 95 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: When did the first vinyl pressing plant open in Australia. 96 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: Well, it was actually CBS Records later Sony in nineteen 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: fifty four. That was the first one, and there used 98 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: to be several, but now there's currently only three pressing 99 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: plants in Australia. 100 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow, isn't it ya? It started to pick up 101 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: again in recent times, isn't it that's the thing it has. 102 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's one. There's two in Melburn, one called 103 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: Zennis and one called Program Vennis. Originally was called Corduroy 104 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: and that was around for a long time, but the 105 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: Program is fairly new, that's been about three or four years. 106 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: And there's also fairly new one in Brisbane called Suitcase Records. 107 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are, of course, Vinyl albums making a huge company. 108 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: What do you put it down to, Crispian I think I. 109 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: Think with when they were basically replaced by CDs, they're 110 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 3: very the artwork's very small on those, and then when 111 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: CDs start to go and be replaced by digital. I 112 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people, including myself, which just 113 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: loves the physical, physical product, and I think Vinyl with 114 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: the size, you know, it's a real effort to listen 115 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: to Vinyl in a way. I think a lot of 116 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: people really love that, you know. 117 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the learning experience all that, Yeah, the notes on 118 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: the album. You spent all day just lying there reading 119 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: that from the beginning to end. 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Hear the lyrics. The lyrics now very important. 121 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and like I still remember lyrics now just 122 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: because I read them off vinyl back when I was 123 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: a kid, you know, yeah. 124 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Hey Christians, and they were correct. Yeah. 125 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: I just want to go one of the clock back 126 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: to sort of like a sort of wartime first and 127 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: the Second World War and beyond that, where servicemen from 128 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 4: the States would take blues records to the UK and 129 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: then they ended up with a whole lot of bands 130 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: like the Stones and that with the British invasion of 131 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: the US, so it went all the way back. But 132 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: they were pretty pretty remarkable. So many people traveled with 133 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: records that didn't break. 134 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that was part of the 135 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: issue with Sheilac originally like that. Yeah, I think that 136 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: that was the reason why. But you're absolutely right. I 137 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: think a lot of people credit that's sort of happening 138 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: with Liverpool and the Beatles getst so many records because 139 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 3: it was a port town. 140 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: There were of course, the main drawback of them, as 141 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: we remember was they would scratch. 142 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: And they would skip. 143 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: Was there were companies around the world trying the hardest 144 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: to come up with the you know, the magic answer 145 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: to that, because they would have made a you know, 146 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: a mozza. 147 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: No one ever really did come up with an answer 148 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: to it, did they. 149 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: No, they didn't, they didn't. I think the only thing 150 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: you can get around it is cleaning records from the 151 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: get go. I cleaned all my records, whether they're old 152 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: or new. And the way that gets rid of dust 153 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: and dust is a part of the problem where you 154 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: so to get skipping and to this extent, scratching. It's 155 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: hard to get rid of scratches, of course, but you 156 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: can get bit of dust and started quite easily when you. 157 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Take it off, put it back in the bag, don't 158 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: just put it on the floorway the next one to 159 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: hear the end of that exactly. 160 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I'm really born about all that stuff. But 161 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: I don't have kids, so that probably helped. 162 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: Chrispian whether a couple of recent changes have been the 163 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: heavier vinyl. Can you explain what that means, because you know, 164 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: people spend seventy eight eighty ninety dollars on an album 165 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: now and in recent weeks we've going away these one 166 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: step albums that we gave away the last four weeks, 167 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: so what's the technology there, what's going on with those? 168 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: I guess a lot of those will be to do 169 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: with virgin vinyl, so they're not recycled. It's the first 170 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: batch of vinyl. It's that technically, that should mean it's 171 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: the best quality and there's nothing else happening happening to them, 172 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: so it's virgin vile. They are a lot heavier as 173 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: a result, and that's that's the way around. That is 174 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: just the better quality technically, the best quality you can get. 175 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: But but it does make them expensive. 176 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course do you play vinyl at home or 177 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: are you a stream? 178 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I do stream as well, but I'm 179 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: very much final. I've got quite quite a large vinyl 180 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: collection and only DJ vinyl was from What. 181 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Was your first vinyl record? 182 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's hard to say, but 183 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: I believe it might have been this whole house by 184 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: Shaking Stephens. 185 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: I think so well for the people here was a 186 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: green door. It was like it was like England's Elvis, 187 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: wasn't he for what time? That's great, we're not judging, 188 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: of course, I. 189 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: Have to say, it's not like I have it now. 190 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: By the way, mine was probably arrival, so I wasn't 191 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: really idea. 192 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: I played that to death. 193 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: It's how's that only because my sister's bed for two 194 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: weeks and she goes, I'll buy you, and I reckon. 195 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: I lasted about three days. You still bought it for me. 196 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Very sweet, Great Christpian. 197 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for giving us a bit more 198 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 2: insight into the history of vinyl. And it's good to 199 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: know that there are still some places in Australia pressing them. 200 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And you can learn more about vinyl and 201 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: that Radio one hundred exhibition at an episode doc after. 202 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Are you brilliant? Excellent? Thanks Christian, Thanks very much. By 203 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: I can't believe you know what is such a big 204 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: amaf fair everything ever, I had a sos Abber pillow case, 205 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: had a pillow case. 206 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a lunchbox? Oh probably, Yeah, I wouldn't 207 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 5: surprise me. Have a T shirt the old Beyond those albums. 208 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 5: Can I be honest with you? When I was a 209 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 5: little kid, mile Man made a Beyond Star guitar. 210 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: Out of wood Really he's pretty good? Would he made 211 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: a wooden starget tank? You couldn't play it had no strings. 212 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: You had said it on fire though you could send. 213 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,239 Speaker 1: Wasn't. That wasn't really every star was it.