WEBVTT - 🤥 Nobody Actually Knows What's Happening, Ever🤥

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen Zoom you know video remote work. People want their

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<v Speaker 2>workers back in the office. And that is an issue

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<v Speaker 2>not just for remote workers, not for corporate babes, not

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<v Speaker 2>for me, not for you, particularly for every single one

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<v Speaker 2>of us. Why because I'm noticing a trend. What happens

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<v Speaker 2>when the people who make the product or service they're

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<v Speaker 2>pedaling to you don't use it as intended. It worries

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<v Speaker 2>me and I'm concerned. So Zoom if you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't you don't work in an office. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>remote work company. And it created a better version of

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<v Speaker 2>Skype or FaceTime for the office. Right, and so if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't find your way into the office because it's

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<v Speaker 2>COVID or because you're unwell, no stress, you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>a day off, you can just plug in via Zoom.

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<v Speaker 2>And they blew up during the pandemic. Naturally, the stock

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<v Speaker 2>options went wow. It was like a dollar to like

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty dollars or whatever people were making bank anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So they've told staffers who work within fifty miles of

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<v Speaker 2>the company that they'll have to come back in two

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<v Speaker 2>days per week. And the irony is not lost on

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<v Speaker 2>me at or because it's not the first time I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard something similar.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing and.

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<v Speaker 2>Also seeing on TikTok, but also beforehand, how people were

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical about Lasik eye surgery because a lot of ophthalmologists

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<v Speaker 2>and eye doctors wear glasses. So like, what is that, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're peddling this really invasive surgery. They say it's not invasive,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're pedaling this potentially dangerous surgery for the common

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<v Speaker 2>folk at a premium. But you will just do You'll

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<v Speaker 2>do glasses. That works fine for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Frame fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we have this former Facebook executive who I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of perceived to be a bit of a whistleblower.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Oh, okay, let's reject it. Yeah him,

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<v Speaker 1>matter of it.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't let his own kids use social media. He

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<v Speaker 2>says it's destroying how society works. And he was saying

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<v Speaker 2>this when he worked at Facebook as well, Like he

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<v Speaker 2>definitely was not I think they kind of used him

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<v Speaker 2>as a representative of the every person, thinking that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of like a performance act. But he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, nah, I can't be here, I can't work here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't respect what we do. He said that he

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<v Speaker 2>feels tremendous guilt for helping build Facebook into the beast

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<v Speaker 2>that it is today. He says, I think we all

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<v Speaker 2>knew in the back of our minds, even though we

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<v Speaker 2>feign this whole line of unintended consequences. I think in

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<v Speaker 2>the back recesses of our mind something bad could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It literally is at a point now we've created tools

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<v Speaker 2>that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works.

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<v Speaker 2>This is literally where we are. I would encourage you

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<v Speaker 2>all to internalize this. If you feed the beast, the

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<v Speaker 2>beast will destroy you. This is from the person who

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<v Speaker 2>built it, he says.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't use it.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, in his whole time working at Facebook, he

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<v Speaker 2>made two statuses his kids don't use it. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>encourage anyone to use it. If anything, he encouraged you

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<v Speaker 2>to stay far, far, far away from it. This worries

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<v Speaker 2>me in a lot of ways because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the concessions we've made to live in a more convenient

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<v Speaker 2>world are actually blowing back on us in a very

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<v Speaker 2>severe way. And I think that if you don't remain informed,

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<v Speaker 2>like if you didn't know that people at Facebook don't

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<v Speaker 2>use Facebook. If you didn't know that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>optimoles just won't get lacy, you didn't know that Zoom

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<v Speaker 2>wants its work is back in the office, you'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is as it should be. Next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people who make cryptocurrency aren't even using it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm off it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been really suspicious these days, and I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>being suspicious that it doesn't suit me. It just is

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<v Speaker 2>at odds with my ideal state, which is whimsy and

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy and like in another like vortex. But what I've

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<v Speaker 2>been finding is that so many analog traditions that we

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<v Speaker 2>have are just going by the wayside, and they're becoming

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly difficult to do. And I've been thinking, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>cool the average person, or like even if I open

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<v Speaker 2>up a news site, right, all this information is about

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<v Speaker 2>futurism and progression and where the world is going and

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<v Speaker 2>what we have to look forward to. But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>up until this point, the stuff that you've been peddling

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<v Speaker 2>people to be their salvation hasn't really worked as intended.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like we can make things more convenient and

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<v Speaker 2>put your money here and invest in this it's just like, oh, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't work, but like, here's a brand new thing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Could work really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I don't want to be a lot at

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<v Speaker 2>I love advancements in the world, but I also think

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<v Speaker 2>that as we're advancing, we're forgetting things that worked fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like part of the critique about social media is that

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<v Speaker 2>we optimize a place about life that didn't need optimization.

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<v Speaker 2>Human connection didn't need optimization. We didn't need easier ways

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<v Speaker 2>to connect, or we didn't need to reach people on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the world in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>we do so now right, it was kind of cool,

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<v Speaker 2>It's very cool, but I think at what costs? We

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<v Speaker 2>keep coming back to that, Like there is always a

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<v Speaker 2>hefty price to pay, and we don't necessarily know at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but I think right now, like twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>in this given moment, we're very fortunate to be on

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<v Speaker 2>the precipice where we can.

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<v Speaker 1>See the past.

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<v Speaker 2>We have access to so much information that details what

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<v Speaker 2>history was like, what worked, and what didn't work because

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<v Speaker 2>we're here, like we get to look at that in retrospect,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also have this gift of foresight where we

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<v Speaker 2>can project and predict and say, well based on behavior. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>like if we don't get our act together with climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what is going to happen. If we

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand how to communicate better with each other, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what's going to happen. If we don't assess our

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<v Speaker 2>relationship to media and pop culture, this is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone's like, I've been thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot about COVID because that juste was like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just a real time we were literally in lockdown.

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<v Speaker 1>That was wild.

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<v Speaker 3>It just you know what that made me realize maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I've said on the podcast before. You know, they always

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<v Speaker 3>saying nobody, adults don't know what's happening, nobody knows, like

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<v Speaker 3>you really illuminate at that point with COVID. Nobody knew

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<v Speaker 3>what was happening. The governments didn't know. Like we fell

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<v Speaker 3>in a heap. Yeah it could have been much worse,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, like there was no leadership really.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And I don't think we're respecting the gift of retrospect.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, now we do know what happens. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>we do know the consequences, but we also don't act

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<v Speaker 2>with that information in mind, you know, like I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I would imagine for a lot of Australians, especially

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<v Speaker 2>those in Sydney and Melbourne, New Southwest Victoria, another lockdown

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<v Speaker 2>would send a lot of people spiraling immediately. But what

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<v Speaker 2>precautions are being made? I mean, I just saw a

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<v Speaker 2>news article that was saying that we're due for another

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<v Speaker 2>COVID outbreak, right, and so like great, let's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, now we have that information, are people doing

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<v Speaker 2>the extra bit to sanitize No? Are people wearing masks?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Are people being mindful about not hanging out in crowds. No.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it happens, or if it happens that we

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<v Speaker 2>go into another lockdown, people feign this ignorance. Yeah, why

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<v Speaker 2>is this happening? Where are we going?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I keep thinking about the future and the

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<v Speaker 2>type of person I want to be and the type

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<v Speaker 2>of life I want to live. And the part of

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<v Speaker 2>the part that I'm struggling with is this sense of

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<v Speaker 2>instability where you could create stability. So for example, like

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<v Speaker 2>if we think about, you know, like what would we

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<v Speaker 2>do tomorrow if the truck driver's got COVID again and

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't deliver food to the grocery stores, and those restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't buy the food, and then I get no uber eats, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, why don't you know how to fan for yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even plant something if I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't even know how to keep a flower alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, wish learn and like the flower they've given us,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even have to go forage for like the

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<v Speaker 2>right seed to make the flower, you know exactly, the

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<v Speaker 2>instructions are on the back, and we're still suffering, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have a friend of mine whose family lives

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<v Speaker 2>on a farm, and his mum is really into making

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<v Speaker 2>like natural medicines and stuff. So when he grew up

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, if he had an ailment, his mom

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<v Speaker 2>would like go and pick a plant and like make

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<v Speaker 2>him a tea or something. And I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>she's really onto some thing. Because what happens when we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a bit of a tummy ache, panda, old babe,

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<v Speaker 2>Literally it's not go drink some fizzy water. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you even make fizzy water without a soce stream TM?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm a bit fearful about the future, where

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<v Speaker 2>I used to be really idealistic.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you'd always be fearful.

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<v Speaker 2>No what I say, the apocalypse is coming, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't hear the smile in my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>I love suffering together. That's where I'm at me too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna suffer, let's do it together.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I'm fearful because I don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we have a sense of community necessary to suffer together

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<v Speaker 2>in the best way. I don't think we could rebuild.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if things turn to absolute bit we would

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<v Speaker 2>turn on each.

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<v Speaker 1>Other in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just like, damn, how do we get how

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<v Speaker 2>do we like circumnavigate that and get closer to cult

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<v Speaker 2>commune and further away from like anarchist looting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're religious.

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