1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: This is the Happy Families podcast with doctor Justin Coulson, 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: where Luke and Suzy and this is the podcast for 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: the time poor parent who just wants answers now. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I don't know whether we talk enough about 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: discipline and public discipline and parenting whether they should hit 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: or talk or yell to their children. I think it's 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: a subject that nobody gets upset about. Everyone's on the 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: same page as there's nothing to see here, right. We've 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: had a bunch of things come to the show about 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: this very. 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: We have a coup a couple of messages in particular, 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: actually one from Sarah, one from Molina in different context, 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: but this same same topic of public discipline of children. 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: What is an appropriate way to discipline your children when 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: you're in a public setting, Doctor Justin Coulson from Happy 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: Families dot com dot Au. We throw this one to you. 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: Well, if people are watching, you've got to make it 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: look serious. You've got to have the angry face, and 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: you've got to raise your hand. You might not use it, 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: but you've got to make it look like you're disciplining 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: your children. 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: How to discipline your children in public? That's not that's 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: not the point, what are they doing out of the dungeon. 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: The alternative, of course, the public discipline is when you 25 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: when you crouch down in front of your child and 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: you've got a great big smile on your face, so 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: it looks like you're having a really conversation and you're 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: saying them. If you do that again, I'm going to 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: tee your with. 30 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: Your thumb, just them a little harder than they're comfortable. 31 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: I'm going to take this away from the sarcast AGAINSS 32 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: because I was taught by someone. 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: I went to university. 34 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: I was taught by someone you praise your children publicly, 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: you discipline them privately. So if your children misbehave in 36 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: a public space, you take them away from the public 37 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: space to address that behavior. Your thoughts, Doctor Justin Colson, 38 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: the look on his face is says, well, I'd like 39 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: to talk to that person. 40 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 3: I was just listening. So I think that we need 41 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: to get back to the fundamentals of what discipline is. 42 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: Discipline and punishment are different, and I know we've talked 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: about this before. Punishment means I'm going to hurt someone 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: because I don't like what they've done. Now I'm paraphrasing 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: the dictionary there. But that's essentially it let me hurt 46 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: you because you're upsetting me. I don't like the way 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: you're behaving. You're challenging me, and I need to punish 48 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: you for that. I need to make you pay a price. 49 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: I need to take something away from you or hurt 50 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 3: you because of what you're doing. Discipline means that we teach, 51 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: we guide, we instruct, we show a better way, and 52 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: so should we discipline our children in public? Absolutely, we 53 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 3: should discipline whenever they need to be taught, guided and instructed. 54 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: Of course, when there's an audience, children tend not to 55 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: be particularly responsive to our efforts to teach them, guide them, 56 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: and instruct them. Similarly, when we try to teach them, 57 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: guide them, and instruct them and they're feeling a bit 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: emotional about life, they tend not to take very much on. 59 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: So I would suggest that, you know, let's say you're 60 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: in the shops, You've got half a trolley of groceries 61 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: and you've got to get out of there, and one 62 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: of the kids starts having them outdown because you won 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: open up a packet of biscuits and let them have one, and. 64 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Mums everywhere are now turning up to listen to what 65 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: you say. 66 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: Next, you can go over and get a piece of 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: free fruit, which supermarkets now offering them. But if you've 68 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: got a child who is dead set I've got to 69 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: have a lollipop, then it's time for us as parents 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: to set effective limits and to talk things through. So 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: there's a few things that we can do in public. 72 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: Number One, Before you get there, explain what the expectation is. 73 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: Now. 74 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 3: It might be the park, it might be the shops, 75 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: it could be the beach, It doesn't really matter where 76 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: you're going. Oh what you're doing. Let the kids know 77 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: ahead of time, and let them know when there's ten 78 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: minutes to go, we're going to give you a ten 79 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: minute warning. When there's five minutes to go, you get 80 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: a five minute warning. When there's two minutes to go, 81 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: you get a two minute warning, and then we've got 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: to go. If everybody does the right thing, we'll have 83 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: a happy time. If anyone loses the plot, I'm going 84 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: to have to pick you up and carry it to 85 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: the car. We don't want that, do it. So you know, 86 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: you can pre empt, pre arm let everyone know what's 87 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: going on. We're going into the shops. You can have 88 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: a free piece of fruit, but there are no lollipops. 89 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: If that hasn't worked for whatever reason, the next thing 90 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: you do is you validate how they feel. Now, I 91 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: know this is exactly the opposite to what we want 92 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: to do, because what we want to do is say 93 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: that's it. 94 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: I've had enough to here, and would we want them 95 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: to validate how we feel or just. 96 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Do what we say they need to do. But validation 97 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: can go like this. I like the idea of giving 98 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: them in fantasy what they can't have in reality. It's 99 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: a wonderful way of saying I get where you're coming from. 100 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: So this is something that I've done with my kids 101 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: so many times we're in the shops. They want the lollipop. 102 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: I say to them, lollipops are pretty good, aren't they. 103 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: I like lollipops too. If you were gonna have a lollipop, 104 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: which one would you choose? Wouldn't it be awesome if 105 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: you could get one that was as big as your fist, 106 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: as big as your head? And then I turned this 107 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: thing where I'm showing them I really get how awesome 108 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: it would be to have that lollipop. And then I 109 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: said to them, but you remember what we talked about 110 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: before we showed up, don't you we can have a 111 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 3: piece of fruit or nothing, because we're not having treats 112 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: because we've had too much sugar lately. And that sounds 113 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 3: cruel to some people that are like, my goodness, you've 114 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 3: just made all these almost promises. How good would it 115 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: be to have this? And then you're saying no. But 116 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: from an adult perspective it makes sense as well. So 117 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: I may have shared this with you once before. I'm 118 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: looking to buy new house about a year ago. I'm 119 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 3: flicking through the paper. I see a house for sale 120 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: that's perfect. Lachlan and Sarah Murdoch as selling their bronze 121 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: beachfronts in Sydney. They only want thirteen and a half 122 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: million dollars. It's only about thirteen million more than I've got. 123 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: And I called out to Kylin and I said, Kylie, 124 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: I found our house. And Kylie's my wife. By the way, 125 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 3: it was something, and Clardie came over and she looked 126 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: at it, and she could have said, how many times 127 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: do I need to tell you? Would you stop looking 128 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: at things that are just unaccessible? Inaccessible? 129 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: You know? 130 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: Would never She could have belittled me She could have 131 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: been angry with me, She could have just gone whatever 132 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: and walked away. But instead she looked at those pictures 133 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: and she said, my goodness, can you believe the view 134 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: from the bathroom? Oh, my goodness, look at the way 135 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: the living area, said that that is just gorgeous. And 136 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: then she said, oh, Lachland and Sarah Murdoch thirty and 137 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: a half million, So what would you like to do 138 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: about it? Do you know what I mean? But she 139 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: validated my feelings. You know how it feels. And when 140 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: our kids are losing the plot. Rather than trying to 141 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: discipline them and tell them how it has to be, 142 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: I think that it's much better if we try to 143 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: work out what's going on for them and just show 144 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: that we understand. You want to stay at the park. 145 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: You're having so much fun. You wish you could ride 146 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: your bike here all day. 147 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do demand that they live in our world 148 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. It doesn't hurt to live in theirs 149 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: every now and then. 150 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: If only to show some empathy before we impose our 151 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 3: limits again. Now, the last point that I'll make is 152 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: that if the kids really do need to be disciplined, 153 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: that is, if what's going on is unacceptable and needs 154 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: to stop now. Perhaps they've pushed another kid over in 155 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 3: the park, maybe they're having an absolute melt down in 156 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: the shops. In those instances, we just need to pick 157 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 3: our child up and remove them from the scene. That 158 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: might mean leaving the trolley at the service desk and 159 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 3: saying to the nice lady, I'll be back in twenty 160 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: minutes when my child has stopped melting down. Can you 161 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: just put the ice cream back in the freezer and 162 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: I'll be back soon, or just you know, leaving the park. 163 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: And sometimes we do have to wrestle them and that 164 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: kind of thing, and then we move away and we 165 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't matter whether they're two or twelve. 166 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: Sometimes distraction or sometimes just to cuddle is the best thing, 167 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: and once they've calmed down we can talk to what's 168 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: really going on again? Need to I need to say 169 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: this so clearly our kids don't wake up in the 170 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: morning and think, right, today's the day. I'm just going 171 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: to wreak havoc. I'm going to lose the plot when 172 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: we go to the shops, because that's what I know 173 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: will get the attention that I need. 174 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: It seems like they do when we had twins, it 175 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: felt like they were having meetings every day. Okay, I 176 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: was your state, it's your turn today, and we have 177 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: one perfect child one day, and there'd be the other 178 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: ones and they switch, they keep switching. I'm like, you're 179 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: working this out. You can't give us one day. 180 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: And then actually they go, let's see what happens when 181 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: we both do it together. 182 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: Tag tea. But our kids need to be understood, and 183 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: when we take the time to understand them and then 184 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: work with them rather than do things to them, we 185 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: can discipe really effectively in public because they feel validated 186 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 3: and understood, and we can work it out together. 187 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: As adults, if we really can't grasp what's going on 188 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: around and we don't get what we want and someone 189 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: says something that we don't sort of think is good 190 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: for us, we throw adult tantrums all the time. Like 191 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: we actually are no different in our behavior. The difference 192 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: is we as an adult, get the freedom to give 193 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: ourselves the space to calm down. But it'd be the 194 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: equivalent to jump too early with the discipline or the 195 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: punishment would be the equivalent for as an adult getting 196 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: upset with our boss and then the police coming and 197 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: throwing us in jail and us not really knowing why, 198 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: Like it's for them in their world of being able 199 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: to understand what's going on around them. We need to 200 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: find a way to give them that space and that 201 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: calm down. 202 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: It seems like we expect more of our children than 203 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: we sometimes expect ourselves. I don't any of adults that 204 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: have some pretty big tanties, and they do them in 205 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: pretty public places on the road, for example, and it's 206 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 3: not necessarily good at all. I think that we need 207 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: to be able to manage ourselves so that we can 208 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: actually work with our kids. And too many parents can't 209 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: manage themselves and they get nervous. You know, you're in 210 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: the shops, who are in the park, and your child 211 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: starts to do something inappropriate, challenging, and we look around 212 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: and we see twelve sets of eyes on us. What's 213 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: that parent going to do? And so we need to 214 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: look like we're disappointing our child. I think the best 215 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: thing to do is give our child a huge. 216 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: It's quite funny because there's people who are making millions 217 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: of dollars right now teaching adults how to when you 218 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: get upset, take a breath, take a moment, remove yourself 219 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: from the situation, and the re engage com millions of 220 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: dollars worth of guidance in that area. Whereas this exactly 221 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: what you're talking about with your child. Let's teach them 222 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: now to learn how to take a breath when they're 223 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: upset and get distracted, get calm, and then re engage. 224 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: And I'm doing it for free. Families Families, doctor, just 225 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: thank you so much for looking at public disciplined of 226 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: children with this. 227 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. 228 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: Thanks Lurk, Thanks Suzie. 229 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: Now, just in case you didn't catch that, you can 230 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: get some more information on parenting at happy Families dot 231 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: com dot a. You lots of resources there to help you. 232 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: If you're interested though, in having doctor Justin Wilson come 233 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and speak at your community group or evenge. You can 234 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: find out more details on how to book that at 235 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: Justinculson dot com