1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bungelung calcotton woman from Gadighal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: the fifteenth of June. 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm Sarah, I'm Sam. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: Former US President Donald Trump faced court this week over 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: criminal charges relating to his handling of secret government documents. 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: Because in the end, they're not coming after me, They're 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: coming after you, and I'm just standing in their way. 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: Here I am, I'm standing in their way and I 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: always welcome. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: We're going to tell you what you need to know 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: in today's deep dive and explain what it is that 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: he's been accused of. First, Sam, what is making headlines today. 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: The Australian Federal Police have dropped a crew investigation into 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: alleged war crimes performed by a group of Australian soldiers 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: from two thousand and six to twenty fifteen. The investigation 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 3: involved alleged misconduct by former Australian soldier Ben Robert Smith, 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: and it was dropped over the admissibility of some evidence 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 3: and will be replaced with a new inquiry. 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: Brisbane woman Julia Mary Lane has been confirmed dead following 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: a hiking accident in the Canadian wilderness. Concerns for lane 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: safety were raised after she hadn't been in contact with 28 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: her family or housemates since Saturday. Her family have asked 29 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: for space to quote process this incredibly sad news. 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the New Southwhal's government will donate one hundred thousand 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 3: dollars to support the families and friends of those killed 32 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: in the Hunter Valley bus crash over the weekend. The 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: crash killed ten people who were returning from a wedding 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: on Sunday night, and the donation will go towards a 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: fund managed by the New South Wales government and Rotary Australia. 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: It does feel like we need a bit of good 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: news today, and that is that Jack has become the 38 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: seventh Australian to when an NBA basketball championship. White won 39 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: the championship with the Denver Nuggets, who defeated the Miami 40 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: Heat in Game five of the NBA Finals to secure 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: the title. White signed with the Nuggets this season after 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: two years at Melbourne United. 43 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: Zara I thought we'd try something different today and talk 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: about Donald Trump being indicted. What do we need to 45 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: know this time around. 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's a second time this year that the former 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: US president has been indicted, which means that he's been 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: formally accused of criminal offenses. This time it's over how 49 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: he handled secret government documents after he left the presidential 50 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: office back in twenty twenty one. 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: He's had a big year. When he was indicted earlier 52 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 3: this year, it made him the first US president to 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: face criminal charges. 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: We have already spoken about Donald Trump being indicted once 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: on this podcast before. That was in relation to him 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: being charged in New York with thirty four counts of 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: falsifying business records. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: That was the Stormy Daniel stuff. 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was in relation to hush money that, 60 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: as you said, he allegedly paid to Stormy Daniels, who 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: was an adult film star, and that was to allegedly 62 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: conceal potentially damaging information during the twenty sixteen presidential election. 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: But today we're talking about this completely separate story, and 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: that's in relation to government documents. 65 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: So what happened there. 66 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: So, when Trump left office in twenty twenty one, it's 67 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: alleged that he took dozens of boxes of government documents 68 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 2: home with him to his residence in marri Lago. Some 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: of them contained sensitive and secret information, so things like 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: the details of US defense weaknesses and plans for how 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: the US would respond to attacks, things that you don't 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: want in the hands of the wrong people, right. These 73 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: documents that he took home were what's called classified, which 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: means that there are strict legal limits on who can 75 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: access them and how they can access them. Former presidents 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: are not allowed to keep classified documents, and so in 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: terms of a timeline, the FBI became aware that these 78 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 2: classified documents were at Marra Lago in early twenty twenty two, 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: and they asked Donald Trump to return them. He returned 80 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: some of them, but the FBI believed that they hadn't 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: received them all. So they went and searched Mari A 82 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: Lago in August last year, and that's when they found 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: over one hundred more. 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: And that's one of those news moments where there were 85 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: helicopters over mari lago and he saw the FBI streaming in. 86 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: So what happened as a result of that rage and 87 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: how did those charges actually come about? 88 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, the US Department of Justice set up an investigation 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: into Trump, and as part of this, they set up 90 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: what's called a grand jury. Grand jury one of those 91 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: terms that I feel like we always speak about and 92 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: I don't know that I had ever seen defined anywhere. 93 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: I think of a jury in suits. 94 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: Yes, So it's a group of ordinary people, like a 95 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: normal jury, who were given the task of deciding whether 96 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: or not charges should be laid. So it comes before 97 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: the court process. This grand jury decided charges should be 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: laid against Trump. And then last Friday, the Department of 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: Justice published the full details of this indictment. 100 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: And that's when we've really started to find out details exactly. 101 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: And when those full details were published, they revealed that 102 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: Trump was being charged with deliberately withholding thirty one documents, 103 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: so as I said that idea that he was allegedly 104 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: not returning documents once asked. He was also charged with 105 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: concealing the documents, lying about their existence to the grand jury, 106 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: and conspiring to obstruct justice. The indictment also alleges that 107 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: Trump directed his staff to hide or destroy the documents, 108 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: and his personal aide, Walt Naute, has also been charged 109 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: with assisting him, and also that Trump allegedly kept the 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: documents in insecure locations, including on a stage in a 111 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: Mari Lago ballroom where there were events that were held 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: while those documents were there. You might have seen, I 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: think they're now viral photo circulating of some of the 114 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: stored boxes in Trump's bedroom and even his bathroom in shower. 115 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 3: It kind of looks a little bit like a hoarder's house. 116 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: There's piles from the floor to the ceiling of these documents. 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, FAURI say, not a good look. And so he 118 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: was summoned to appear in court in Florida. Yes, at 119 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: a Australian time there. Donald Trump pleaded not guilty. We 120 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: don't have a trial date yet. It hasn't been set. 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: The special counsel, Jack Smith, who brought the charges, said 122 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: that he'll seek a speedy trial, but given that the 123 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: evidence involves classified government documents and the federal system, could 124 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: be months before the trial begins. 125 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: If he is convicted of these charges, what penalties could 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: he be facing. 127 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: Some of these federal charges are pretty serious. They carry 128 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison. So if 129 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: he's convicted hypothetically of all offenses, Trump could be looking 130 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 2: at spending the rest of his life in jail. But 131 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: as I said, he is pleading not guilty, and he's 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: come out fairly strongly against the charges, saying that they're 133 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: part of a political conspiracy. He's called the charges a hoax, 134 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: and he's accused President Joe Biden of trying to jail 135 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: him for political reasons. 136 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: Biden is trying to gel he's leading political opponent, an opponent. 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: That's beeding him by a lot in the polls, just 138 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: like they. 139 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: Do in Stalinist Russia or Communists China. 140 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: No different. 141 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 2: Biden hasn't directly commented on the indictment, but here's White 142 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: House Press sec. Caringe on Pierre speaking on behalf of 143 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: the Biden government. 144 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 4: The President has been very very clear the Department of 145 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: Justice is independent. He wants to restore the independence of 146 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: the Department of Justice, and that's what you've seen. That 147 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: is why we have been very very consistent when it 148 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: comes to criminal cases. We just do not comment. 149 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: So basically, Donald Trump's pitch to voters is that this 150 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: is a political conspiracy, and he's not actually the first 151 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: politician to have popped criticism over the handling of government documents. 152 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: There was, of course, the series of scandals with Hillary 153 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: Clinton over her private email server. 154 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and anyone that is a supporter of Donald Trump 155 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: has been very quick to point to the Hillary Clinton saga, 156 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: alleging that not just Hillary Clinton, but also Joe Biden 157 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: may have also mishandled classified documents. Clinton was investigated for 158 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: using a private email server when she was Secretary of State, 159 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: though that investigation found that she had not deliberately mishandled 160 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: classified material. Then last year, Joe Biden's staff discovered a 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: small number of classified documents that Biden had retained from 162 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: his time as Vice president. They were in a locked 163 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: closet in a private office that Biden had used between 164 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen. The National Archives, which houses 165 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: classified documents, was notified on the day of the discovery 166 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: and took the documents the following. 167 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: Day, and there were also some documents discovered at his 168 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: home in Delaware. 169 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Run yeah exactly. The White House noted that Biden's team 170 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: had cooperated with authorities and turned over those documents at 171 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: the time, but neither Biden nor Trump have been charged 172 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: for the act of actually taking the documents. Trump's charges 173 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: relate specifically to the act of deliberately withholding them. 174 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: It's an interesting one because there's not so much doubt 175 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: over the facts of this case. I mean, there's photos 176 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: of documents, there's Trump himself saying that he declassified documents 177 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: with his mind. There's no sense of whether the documents 178 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 3: were there or not. It's about what information Trump deliberately 179 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: withheld or not, and that's what's going to be on 180 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: trial now. Trump is running for president again, and he 181 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: wants to be the Republican nominee in twenty twenty four. 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: He's got some strong competition in the form of Ron DeSantis, 183 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: but he's one of the front runners. What do these 184 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: criminal charges mean for his chances of reelection. 185 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: I feel like a broken record because last time we 186 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: spoke about the indictment, I'm pretty sure I said exactly 187 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: the same thing. But even if Donald Trump is convicted 188 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: on either these criminal charges or the other criminal charges, 189 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: and even if he does go to jail, there's actually 190 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: nothing in the US Constitution or in American law that 191 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: will prevent him from running for president. So you know, 192 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis is more of a challenge to Donald Trump 193 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: becoming president or later on Joe Biden than possible criminal charges. 194 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 3: It was a remarkable day yesterday. We had Trump getting charged. 195 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: He then held a campaign rally in New Jersey, which 196 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: is a bit of a pattern emerging when Trump has 197 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: a major clash with the judiciary. It was also Trump's 198 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: birthday yesterday, and we're going to leave you with his 199 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: supporters singing to him after the court case. 200 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us today on The Daily OZ. If 201 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: you learned something from today's episode, don't forget to hit subscribe, 202 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: so there's a TDA episode waiting for you every weekday morning. 203 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: We'll be back again tomorrow, thank god it's Friday. But 204 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: until then, have a great day.