1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, everybody, Welcome to the Daily Oz. My name 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: is Sam Kozlowski. Joining me today is not Zara, but 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: it's in fact Billy Fitzimon's were giving Zara a sleep 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: in this morning because of her appearance on Q and 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: A last night. She absolutely killed it and it was 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: really cool to see a TDA co founder on the 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: big screen. She tackled the big issues like misinformation and 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: a massive week in New South Wales politics. I'll quickly 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: run through the COVID numbers of today and then Billy 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: and I are going to have a chat through the 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: week that was in New South Wales politics and whether 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: we need to see ikak on a federal level. Just 13 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: quickly though. In Victoria there were sixteen hundred and thirty 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: eight cases of COVID nineteen recorded, New South Wales recorded 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty seven. Billy, we heard from the 16 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: Prime MINISCU yesterday tell us a little bit about what 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: he had to say. 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said New South Wales plan 19 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: to reopen next week should be a sign of hope 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: to the rest of the country, particularly those in Victoria. 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Morrison added that states have had months and months and 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: months to prepare themselves for COVID nineteen surgers in hospitals. 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: Also in federal politics news, France has announced its ambassador 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: will return to Canberra to quote redefine the terms of 25 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: our relationship with Australia. Jean Pierre. The Beaux was withdrawn 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: last month in response to the Australian government's decision to 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: scrap its ninety billion dollar submarine deal with France in 28 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: favor of a new nuclear submarine deal with the US 29 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: and the UK. 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: Victoria recorded a spike in the number of people hospitalized 31 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: with COVID nineteen yesterday, including a rise of people in 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: intensive care. There were five hundred and sixty four infected 33 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: people in hospital on Thursday, which was a rise of 34 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: thirty nine from the previous day. 35 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: We've definitely got our eyes on the Children's Cancer Award 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: in particular, which is now a Tier one exposure site, 37 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: and Victoria's public health system continues to be a matter 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: of concern for the government. In some good news though 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: for your Friday, Google will invest one billion US dollars 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: in Africa over the next five years. Is to improve 41 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: the continent's Internet connectivity and support startups that are emerging 42 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: in the nations. This time last week, we had no 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: idea about what was to come for our Friday. We 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: had no idea that by the end of the day 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: we would have a resignation from former New South Wales 46 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Premier Gladysberygiclian, And in the week since we have now 47 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: lost two other ministers and gained a new Premier, Dominique Perrete. 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Premier Perrote made his presence known yesterday morning when he 49 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: announced a raft of changes that he sped up ahead 50 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: of New South Wales hitting seventy percent on Monday. However, 51 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: the big topic that's been discussed not just in New 52 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: South Wales but in fact on a federal level as well, 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: is why Premier Bergiclian left her job, and that was 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: of course because of an announcement from the Independent Commission 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: against Corruption. They confirmed that they would be investigating if 56 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: she had breached public trust. In the week since that announcement, 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: there's been calls for a federal corruption watchdog. These calls 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: have grown in recent days and even though every state 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: and territory in Australia has its own anti corruption watchdog, 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: the fact that the federal government doesn't has become a 61 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: matter of contention. Let's get our heads around it. 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: It's an issue that is quite important to our audience. 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: Last week we asked thirty one thousand of you if 64 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: there should be a federal corruption watchdog, and an overwhelming 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: eighty percent said yes. There actually is a plan for 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: a corruption watchdog at a national level. So in December 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, which was in the lead up to the 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen federal election, the Morrison government promised voters, as 69 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: did the opposition side, that it would establish our federal 70 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: Anti Corruption Commission. Obviously, the Morrison government got into power 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: and last year then Attorney General Christian Porter released draft 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: legislation designed to set up the corruption watchdog, calling it 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Integrity Commission. Its intention was to investigate corruption 74 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: in the public sector, much like the ones that we 75 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: see at the state and territory levels. But there were 76 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: a few differences to the ones that we see at 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: the state levels. So CISE would not have the power 78 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: to hold public hearings when investigating politicians, so basically we 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't actually know what was going on and it would 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: all be held behind closed doors. And the other thing 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: was that the bar was a lot higher for what 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: this corruption watchdog could investigate. The alleged corrupt conduct could 83 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: only be investigated if it constituted a criminal offense. So 84 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: if we look at Gladisboro Juclian, it probably wouldn't have 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: been investigated if it was at the standard of this 86 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: proposed federal eyekak. As for where that draft bill is 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: up to, the Sydney Morning Herald is reporting that it 88 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: will be debated in Parliament in the next few weeks, 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: so we'll definitely be hearing more about this story and. 90 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: To try and gain a little bit of insight as 91 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: to where some of these differences come from. Here's what 92 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Prime Morrison said on Sunrise on Tuesday when he was 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: asked about a federal eykak. Oh. 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 3: Look, it's certainly not a model that we'd ever consider 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 3: at a federal level, and I think that's been on 96 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: display for some time. And you know, you've got to 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 3: have processes that to see in people are innocent before 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 3: they thought to be guilty, and that is a real problem. 99 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: So it's not a model that we've ever contemplated going 100 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 3: at a federal level. And you know, we have a 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: set of arrangements at a federal level that can be 102 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: built upon, but certainly not going down that path in 103 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: New South Wales. And I'm sure there are millions of 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: people who have seen what's happened to gladysperiagically and I'll 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 3: understand that that's a pretty good call not to follow 106 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: that model. 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: It's clear from this reaction that a key premise that 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Morrison is operating off is the idea of 109 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: presumption of innocence, and he believes that the state and 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: territory corruption watchdogs don't allow for the presumption of innocence. 111 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: So if we take Premier Berergiclian, for example, Morrison's argument 112 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: would be that Beeragicklian's name has already been dragged through 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: through the mud of an inquiry, and that if she's 114 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: proven to have done nothing wrong, that her reputation will 115 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: be tarnished, and that these investigations are better off to 116 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: happen behind closed doors. In terms of what the Federal 117 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: Opposition has had to say about this, Federal Opposition leader 118 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Alberanizi said last weekend that if they are elected 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: in the upcoming election, a Labor government would also establish 120 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: a National Anti Corruption Commission. 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: One of the things I've noticed this week on social 122 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: media is a lot of discussion about what power the 123 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: akak actually has. Could you explain what they do if 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: they find burygically and guilty of this corrupt conduct. 125 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: I've also seen a lot of that commentary around talking 126 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: about findings of criminal guilt or innocence. But in fact, 127 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: all IYKAK is in New South Wales at least, is 128 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: that they're a commission of inquiry that investigates and reports. 129 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: If they find in their investigation that there's been breaches 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: of the criminal law, they actually have to pass that 131 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: information onto the police. They don't have the power to 132 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: charge anyone with an offense, send them to jail or 133 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: anything like that. They're simply an investigative watchdog. What they 134 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: come out of the investigation with materially is a report, 135 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: and that report is similar to a report that you'd 136 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: find in a royal commission. With all of that said, 137 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: it seems to me like this week a new issue 138 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: for the upcoming election has been tabled. Integrity on a 139 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: federal level wasn't really in the news cycle as a 140 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: priority until this week, But I have a funny feeling 141 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: that we're going to be discussing this until the election 142 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: is announced and then through the actual campaign, and both 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: parties are going to need to be very clear with 144 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 1: their positions on corruption at a federal level. 145 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: And we should mention that New South Wales is not 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: the only state that has its corruption watchdog. 147 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: In the news. 148 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: This week, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews addressed the media over 149 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: reports he's a focus of an investigation by the independent 150 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: Broad Based Anti Corruption Commission. The state's corruption watchdog is 151 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: reportedly examining the involvement of Andrews and a senior public 152 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: servant in dealings with the United Firefighters Union. This is 153 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: all based on media reports, though and Iback has not 154 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: released a statement confirming the investigation will involve Andrews. 155 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: It does seem like corruption is the flavor of the 156 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: month in Australian politics. Will be sure to keep you 157 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: updated so that when the election does come around, you're 158 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: really well prepared for the debates that you're going to 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: be hearing about a federal Eykak. 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