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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty second of March. I'm Sam, I'm Zarah. The

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Speaker 2: New South Wales election is right around the corner. Yesterday

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Speaker 2: we brought you TDA edited Billy fitz Simon's interviewing New

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Speaker 2: South Wales Premier Dominique Perrette.

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Speaker 3: You've recently admitted that you have the occasional raabe and

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Speaker 3: you also shared what your favorite favor is. What message

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Speaker 3: does that send to young people?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the first thing I'd say is you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't smik.

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Speaker 2: Billy will be joining us on the pod again today,

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Speaker 2: this time to bring us her interview with leader of

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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Labor Party, Chris Minn.

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Speaker 3: Do you change your answer depending on the audience that

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Speaker 4: To I think that would be a really unfair characterization

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Speaker 4: of the questions that I get as part of my job.

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Speaker 2: As we are, we're going to get to that chat shortly,

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Speaker 2: but first, Sarah, what's making headlines this morning.

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Speaker 5: The Board of the RBA, which is the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 5: the cash rate. That is, of course, after ten consecutive

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Speaker 2: Queensland Premier and the Stasia Palichet has said the government

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Speaker 2: is considering implementing a rent cap. This all comes after

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Speaker 2: a report published by the Queensland Council of Social Services

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Speaker 2: this month found rapid increases in rental prices across the state,

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Speaker 5: The Tasmanian government has said it'll ban the Nazi salute

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Speaker 5: Tasmanian Attorney General and Justice Minister Elise Archer said the

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Speaker 2: And today's good news, scientists have discovered a new type

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Speaker 2: The giant species of the trapdoor spider has been found

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Speaker 2: although conservation efforts are underway. Billy, welcome back for day

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Speaker 2: two of our New South Wales election coverage. Yesterday you

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Speaker 2: brought us your interview with Premier Dominique Perrete. What's on today?

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Speaker 3: So today I'm going to bring you the interview I

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Speaker 3: before we get there, Sam, I think it's worth just

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Speaker 3: re iterating once again that there is a New South

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Speaker 2: For those of us in the state, that also means

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Speaker 2: Before we get into that interview, one of the big

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is a complex issue, I think is

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Speaker 3: listening to this interview. So really quickly, New South Wales

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Speaker 3: has the highest losses per person compared to any other

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Speaker 3: Chrismins, thank you so much for joining the Daily OS.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Billy, just start, I want to know what do

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Speaker 4: I think for young people it's certainly housing, making sure

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Speaker 3: When we polled our audience this morning, the big thing

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Speaker 4: So we think Sydney has been really gripped by toll roads,

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Speaker 6: Are two hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 3: Most of our audience are renters. What would your government

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Speaker 4: You can transfer it from one title to the next.

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Speaker 4: We're going to make moves on no fault to fiction

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Speaker 6: So look, a lot of initiatives.

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Speaker 4: A big one is supply we need to make sure

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Speaker 3: One thing that we keep hearing about is a significant

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Speaker 4: Can't promise that, and we're not going to the election

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Speaker 6: I mean, at the moment you're seeing.

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Speaker 4: A skills shortage right across the economy, but particularly in

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Speaker 3: If you lift that cup, how would you fund that increase?

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Speaker 4: We've made a whole bunch of decisions in the election

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Speaker 3: New South Wales has one of the world's worst pokeyes problems.

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Speaker 3: You're against immediately implementing cashless gaming, which has been widely recommended.

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Speaker 3: The New South Wales Liberal Party is for it. For

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, in the last eight years or twelve years,

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Speaker 3: But the one recommendation this is true, is cashless gaming.

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Speaker 3: So why not that.

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Speaker 4: My concern is that I don't want to pursue a

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Speaker 4: saying that I do think we need to have a trial.

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Speaker 4: I can quickly roll out five hundred machines across the state.

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Speaker 4: We can assess what it does and what it means

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Speaker 4: in terms of curbing both for problem gamblers and also

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Speaker 4: an independent panel will make a recommendation to government. Look,

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Speaker 6: I don't want to see that when it comes to

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Speaker 3: Are you acting in the best interests of the people

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Speaker 4: Well, absolutely not in the best interests of the gambling industry.

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Speaker 4: greyhound bands, and everybody believed that it was the right

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Speaker 4: to repeat that here in New South Wales with gaming reform.

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Speaker 3: I want to move to climate change. Our audience said

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Speaker 4: So we will legislate for net zero by twenty fifty.

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Speaker 4: The New South Wales government set it as a target

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Speaker 4: but haven't implemented a policy. We're also committed to ensuring

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Speaker 4: that we pursue the renewable energy revolution in the state

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Speaker 4: and opportunity for young.

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Speaker 6: People, but we need to make sure that we've got.

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Speaker 4: Enough dispatchable power for everybody in New South Wales.

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Speaker 3: You talk about renewable energy, but you have said that

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Speaker 3: you would be open to buying back the state's largest

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Will your government be putting more money

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Speaker 4: Well, it's really important to note that we have not

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Speaker 4: committed to that, but we could be in a commercial

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Speaker 4: of March. The government has not detailed how we will

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Speaker 4: deal with a loss of twenty five percent the energy

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Speaker 4: And if it was switched off in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 6: I'm convinced we can.

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Speaker 4: Get there, but part of that is making sure that

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Speaker 3: But so the answer is yes, that you would consider

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Speaker 4: Well, it would be a private negotiation between sorry a

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Speaker 4: public negotiation, but between the government and a private company,

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Speaker 4: and I'm just not prepared to enter into speculation in

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Speaker 3: I want to move to vaping. What are you proposing

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 4: The opposition supported the government's proposals to move vaping to a.

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Speaker 6: Prescription based model.

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Speaker 4: I have seen in my own life friends of mine

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Speaker 6: Now, it's not.

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Speaker 4: Been independently peer reviewed, and obviously it's emerging technology, so

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Speaker 4: it's important that if we do pass laws in the

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Speaker 3: I actually heard you talk about this topic twice last

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Speaker 3: are lethal. Which one is it? And do you change

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Speaker 3: your answer depending on the audience that you're speaking to.

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Speaker 4: I think that'd be a really unfair characterization of the

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've always been transparent about the problems that

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Speaker 4: the solutions.

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Speaker 3: So is it a little bit of an issue or

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the statistics in relation to school children

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Speaker 4: vaping in school school yards, so that would indicate that

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Speaker 4: it's a bigger issue, a big issue.

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Speaker 3: I want to end on leadership. A challenge for a

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Speaker 3: lot of opposition leaders is that voters inevitably don't know

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Speaker 3: you as well as they know the premiere I'm interested

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Speaker 3: what is the most important quality in a leader.

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Speaker 4: I think empathy and the ability to listen is really important.

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Speaker 4: As a leader, you need to make sure that you're

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Speaker 4: crafting policies that help people, that make the state better,

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Speaker 4: and that's what New South Wales Labour's done.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the leadership quality that I've brought to

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Speaker 4: We recognize that there's big challenges in the state of

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Speaker 4: but our messages we can rebuild essential services without privatizing

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Speaker 3: And so as a mark out of ten, howard do

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Speaker 3: you rate yourself on empathy.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to leave that up to the voter.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Daily OS. If you're

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Speaker 2: in New South Wales, happy voting on the weekend. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back again with a non New South Wales election

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Speaker 2: episode tomorrow. Until then, have a great day.