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Speaker 1: When you've got a show dipping into the likes of

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Speaker 1: doomsday preppers and alien church worshipers, inviting audiences to sit

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Speaker 1: with discomfort and challenge assumptions on the instincts that shape

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Speaker 1: human behavior, there's a good chance Todd Sampson's involved. And

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Speaker 1: that is the case with Why, which starts eight point

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Speaker 1: thirty tonight on the ABC. Todd Sampson, You're never going

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Speaker 1: to do a show about renovations, are you to? Todd?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us. Tell us what Why is about?

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Speaker 2: So it's a series where I drop an audience into

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Speaker 2: some subcultures or groups of people that we often look

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Speaker 2: away from or don't look into it all. And the

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Speaker 2: idea is, without judgment, as best I can to explore

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Speaker 2: their motivations.

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Speaker 1: You just love to make us feel a little uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: don't you on the couch there?

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Speaker 2: I must say I was a little uncomfortable when I

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Speaker 2: kind of guy at one hundred and eighty three children,

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Speaker 2: Oh God, I'm going to do this deposit in my hotel.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is not what I expected

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Speaker 2: to happen, and it happened.

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Speaker 3: I'll leave the room, I will leave the camera running.

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Speaker 3: Just tap on the door when you're done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I said, I said to him, you have to

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Speaker 2: do it in my room, and he said. He just

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Speaker 2: turned to me in his New York draw and he said,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. Many people have done that in this room.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's not wrong. So was it one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty.

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Speaker 2: Three or currently one hundred and eighty three children? Before

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Speaker 2: we going ju Jari? Can I just explain to him?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, go on.

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Speaker 2: So he is a math professor in New York. He

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Speaker 2: came from an Orthodox Jewish family, and he is what

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Speaker 2: New York Times referred to as disperminator. He's the kind

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Speaker 2: of super donor. So immediately go ick right straight away.

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Speaker 2: But as I start of unpicked his story and we

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Speaker 2: got to know each other on that journey together, you

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Speaker 2: learn one he makes no money from this, so he

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Speaker 2: does it well. And he primarily provides sperm to people

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Speaker 2: who can't afford IBF or l g B d q

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Speaker 2: I A plus people who can't have children or can't

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Speaker 2: deal with the medical system. And he does this, He's

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Speaker 2: been doing this for many, many years. Public then you

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Speaker 2: start to change your perspective on him, like you go, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. And then it unfolds. I get to his

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Speaker 2: father and he comes from an orthodox Jewish family, and

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Speaker 2: we end up at his home and I asked his

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Speaker 2: father his wife just died, and I asked the father.

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Speaker 2: Was his mother proud of him? And he said no,

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Speaker 2: And I said, well, why do you think he does this?

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Speaker 2: This is the end of the film. And he just

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Speaker 2: looks at me sheepishly and he says, he's a middle child.

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Speaker 2: He didn't get enough love.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: So okay, Well, now he's had muzzeltov more than old

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Speaker 1: mister Clicky used to make the best bagels in Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: But does he does he keep in touch with the

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Speaker 3: kids Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Do we have a birthday party? Towards the end, thirty

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Speaker 2: of his kids show up. Yeah, the birthday party every

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Speaker 2: week for his children. And it was chaos, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it was amazing. It was amazing how comfortably was in

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Speaker 2: that in that environment, like I struggle with my two daughters,

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Speaker 2: let alone thirty screaming and yelling all around. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was. He was a fascinating character. And all I'd

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Speaker 2: say about that episode is it's sort of not what

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Speaker 2: it seems.

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Speaker 1: He would want a water tight child support arrangement is

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Speaker 1: going into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was so in America, technically, if it's

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Speaker 2: your sperm, you're the father. Yeah. And so he was

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Speaker 2: sued four times and so those four people have taken

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Speaker 2: x percent of his salary. So now he's down to

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Speaker 2: almost nothing. So he couchsurfs around New York. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So that's tonight's episode. And as we said, there's also

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Speaker 1: the likes of, you know, base jumping, doomsday prepping, alien

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Speaker 1: church worshipers. What is the thing that you want to

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Speaker 1: achieve from on the show? You just want it's just

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Speaker 1: to start discussion, to start to make us feel just

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable enough to to you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Horizons exposing us to these people without us having to

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Speaker 3: go into the dark depths of the internet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, it's a couple of things, but you hit

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Speaker 2: on the main one, which is we live in a

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Speaker 2: polarized world. I mean you know this very well. In

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Speaker 2: the industry were working where everything has become black and white.

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Speaker 2: There is a group over here. There's a group over there.

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Speaker 2: This group over here believes everything about themselves. This group

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Speaker 2: over here believes everything about themselves. If you go online

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Speaker 2: you can find proof for both of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The goal of the series is just to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: sometimes when we spend time listening and trying to understand people,

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Speaker 2: and often when we understand people's why our perspective changes,

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Speaker 2: and in today's world, at each other all the time,

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Speaker 2: in all mediums, I think a little bit of understanding

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Speaker 2: goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: Well, Todd, we thank you for your service again because

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Speaker 1: I love to feel just that little tiny bit uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: but referably from the comfort of my couch. And we

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Speaker 1: can't wait for this tonight eight point thirty on ABC

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Speaker 1: and of course ABC I view.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you there. This is going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Todd.

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Speaker 3: Cheers. Oh, that is going to be I think.

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Speaker 1: It'll be great, you know, And I do love that,

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Speaker 1: you know, being made to feel just a just a

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Speaker 1: tad on edge. Did you watch that great show on

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Speaker 1: ABC called You Can't Ask that.

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Speaker 3: I've seen bits of it. Yeah, I haven't seen all

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Speaker 3: of the shows.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so different