Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby, Hey, guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: clicking and downloading on today's episode with my friend Alana McLean,
Speaker 1: my fact checker, my housewife, Right or Die, and the
Speaker 1: best person to spar with over some ladies that we
Speaker 1: act like we know but in fact we will never meet.
Speaker 1: We have another top shelf episode for you this week.
Speaker 1: The ninth episode of Beverly Hills season fourteen is called
Speaker 1: Beachy Keen and guys, we got some resolution with Kyle
Speaker 1: and Dereete, and thank god we did not have to
Speaker 1: wait till the end of the season. That is all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We will discuss the way in which Erica
Speaker 1: chooses to navigate what she repeats to Kyle about Dereete
Speaker 1: to keep her nose clean. I will get Alana's perspective
Speaker 1: on Sutton's lack of ability to read a room, which
Speaker 1: her reaction to that awkward interruption of Dereet will go
Speaker 1: down in Real Housewives history. We will also address that
Speaker 1: decision to not tell your children that you've separated from
Speaker 1: their father. You were going to get plenty of speculation
Speaker 1: on the mid season preview, what were our favorite parts
Speaker 1: of episode nine and a request from our listeners on
Speaker 1: what Andy Cohen should be preparing to ask these women
Speaker 1: when we get to the reunion. There's actually so much
Speaker 1: to talk about, with so many inside revelations from Alara
Speaker 1: and myself. So guys, sit back and relax as we
Speaker 1: unpacked the wonderful world of Real Housewives at Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: Season fourteen, Episode nine. How are you, by the way,
Speaker 1: are you well?
Speaker 2: Just having a Limonicello spirits? And I'm on the countdown
Speaker 2: to Italy and I'm going to pretend I'm on a
Speaker 2: cast troop when I'm over there, except I haven't told
Speaker 2: my husband. That's the kind of mentality that I'm going
Speaker 2: into the trip with.
Speaker 3: So when I.
Speaker 1: Watched back all the other women.
Speaker 3: Well, I was watching back on old series ten.
Speaker 2: I think it was when they go to Rome and
Speaker 2: I was writing down all the name of the bars
Speaker 2: and everything, and then Robbie, we can't afford to go
Speaker 2: to any of those places, like, please stop doing that,
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you'll just say.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. For the people listening to this, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing a face mask. So I sound a little bit weird.
Speaker 1: It's because I'm restricted. My face is restricted.
Speaker 2: It's everyone's strength come true. Then Norris can no longer talk.
Speaker 1: This is what you're here for.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love it.
Speaker 2: You look out standing, and you just you can look
Speaker 2: even better in about half an hour from now.
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you that I've been drinking green
Speaker 1: juices because they're meant to be really good for my
Speaker 1: skin and for feeling better, like gut health, you know,
Speaker 1: mind health or whatever the fuck that is. And he's
Speaker 1: kind of working. I don't know what's going on, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so gross, but good for my mental health.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's great. I'm feeling quite bad about my
Speaker 2: limon cello choice. Then, given it's only two pm in
Speaker 2: the afternoon here.
Speaker 1: The confidence of a person that knows that no one
Speaker 1: from their work is listening to this podcast is declaring.
Speaker 2: I just like I heard it back and I thought
Speaker 2: it out of context. People are going to think you've
Speaker 2: gone too far there, cracking a drink at two perre.
Speaker 1: I'm getting that on a T shirt. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, or what or what psychotictic I
Speaker 1: want to start by asking something which I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about a week. Has your opinion of Bozma and someone
Speaker 1: who corrected me online last week for you and I
Speaker 1: calling it Bozman?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Was it just to actually feel like I've been meaning
Speaker 2: to tell you this for four weeks and every time
Speaker 2: we do it, I'm like, oh, well, we've already said it.
Speaker 2: Now we've moved on. I think I've just called her bows.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, hang on, I think it's just
Speaker 2: bos muf. Okay, we've been corrected. Apologies, apologies, bows and muf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have been corrected. But look, it's totally fine.
Speaker 1: But I think I really want to start the podcast
Speaker 1: by talking about Bozmak because I want to know is
Speaker 1: your opinion of her changed? Because very Salt Lake City, Bronwyn,
Speaker 1: I'm getting the feeling as though we let her believe.
Speaker 1: We kind of allowed our minds to think that she
Speaker 1: having the perfect season, but yet on reflection, is she
Speaker 1: as good as what we thought she was?
Speaker 2: I think she's better. I am loving her more with
Speaker 2: each episode. I love the fact that she I feel
Speaker 2: had the perfect balance of observation and then also getting involved.
Speaker 2: So I feel like we have got to see some
Speaker 2: of her personal life. I feel like we've got to
Speaker 2: see her friendship with Derete actually flourish. I don't think
Speaker 2: that is you know, behind the scenes as well. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's a fake friendship. I think it's a
Speaker 2: real friendship. And they've traveled together. She was in New
Speaker 2: York together. They were celebrating Boza's birthday over there, and
Speaker 2: Derete and I feel like, you know, her reads on
Speaker 2: everyone have just been so spot on. So for me,
Speaker 2: she's elevated. I liked her in the first couple of episodes,
Speaker 2: and she's still on the trajectory for me?
Speaker 3: Is she not for you?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know what's happened?
Speaker 3: Well, you're off her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bosma has curdled.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: I just feel like she's going so so hard for
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards. Kyle continues to lie.
Speaker 5: She's lying about the depth of her relationship with Pique
Speaker 5: and what she's saying about Dorrie. She's clearly lying about
Speaker 5: the depth of her knowledge about what's going on.
Speaker 1: And look, let's not just leave that with bose mut
Speaker 1: All of these women are going so hard for her,
Speaker 1: and I just I just don't know if Bozman's the
Speaker 1: right person to go after Kyle. Does she really know
Speaker 1: her well enough to be really saying as much as
Speaker 1: what she says? I mean, maybe she's just playing defense
Speaker 1: and when she catches up at direct, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just very easy for her to go.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like she's come for Kyle.
Speaker 2: All she did was basically at that last episode say,
Speaker 2: I think you should read the text. I think in
Speaker 2: her confessionals she has said some stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think it's been warranted.
Speaker 2: And I don't think she's actually come for Kyle face
Speaker 2: to face, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think she has. I think she's asked the
Speaker 3: questions that everyone else will be asking, what do you
Speaker 3: want to talk about? Willis?
Speaker 2: She's been quite quite fair who in her questions to
Speaker 2: Kyle as of all the women, And I just don't
Speaker 2: think Kyle was banking on everyone turning against her. That's
Speaker 2: what That's basically what it's come down to, and that's
Speaker 2: what the penny dropped for a few of those women
Speaker 2: at that precursor dinner before they.
Speaker 3: Went to Garcel's beach house.
Speaker 2: That's when she realized, I don't have the troops on
Speaker 2: my side. I need to change direction.
Speaker 1: I mean, we need to get into that. But one
Speaker 1: thing I will give you, Bosma, She's definitely not there
Speaker 1: to fuck spiders this season.
Speaker 4: She is back.
Speaker 2: I love that it's such an Aussie saying, but it's
Speaker 2: truly she. I mean, she has signed seal delivered that
Speaker 2: diamond for next year, honey.
Speaker 1: If she wants it.
Speaker 3: If she wants it, let's hope she does.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like someone who's willing to give it. There all,
Speaker 1: you know, Erica not feeding back her conversation with Derete
Speaker 1: from the day spar in the previous episode was proof
Speaker 1: to me that she's actually being a very good friend
Speaker 1: to both of these women, because she was able to
Speaker 1: get on that phone call and talk to Kyle and
Speaker 1: give Kyle good advice. When she was brought up on
Speaker 1: the Erica Durradi phone call.
Speaker 3: He's Siri FaceTime, Erica Girardi.
Speaker 1: Thanks Kyle for not changing her name to not Girardi.
Speaker 1: But anyway, maybe that's what her name is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's calling her Erica Jane. But I thought
Speaker 1: if that was me, I would have said, you know
Speaker 1: what you got? You know what my girl said yesterday
Speaker 1: about you? She wants me to pick aside, you know,
Speaker 1: but she didn't do that.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't, And I think she's shown that she
Speaker 2: is very trustworthy. I think when Dereit first came to
Speaker 2: her and said, you know PK and I getting separated
Speaker 2: that we saw in the season premiere, and she didn't
Speaker 2: and she said, look, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing Kyle after this. What do you want me
Speaker 2: to say? She said, I prefer you not to say anything,
Speaker 2: and she didn't. So I think she definitely is a
Speaker 2: trustworthy friend. And I mean, thank god she didn't, because
Speaker 2: I think that just would have inflamed the whole situation
Speaker 2: to another level. It'll be interesting to see when that
Speaker 2: comes up at the reunion. I'm sure they'll roll some
Speaker 2: of that footage back what Kyle's reaction will be when
Speaker 2: she watches that back.
Speaker 1: Do you spend a lot of the episodes these days
Speaker 1: looking at KRT Richard's lips, Like I spent a really
Speaker 1: long time looking at how much she's rubbing them together
Speaker 1: and eating food and like as in she looks like
Speaker 1: she bought a mouth on team.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can like pass judgment when you're
Speaker 2: wearing this face mask, and I'm looking at you in
Speaker 2: this face mask because you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: Diana Jenkins, remember Diana Jenkins got a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: said to her online because she kept licking her lips,
Speaker 2: and she basically ended up saying, I actually didn't realize
Speaker 2: that I did it that much.
Speaker 3: But it's the filler. It's the filler. You can't sort
Speaker 3: of feel your lips as much.
Speaker 2: And you they're a bit numb, and you sort of
Speaker 2: just touch them all because you know you can't feel them.
Speaker 3: So it must be the same thing. I haven't got
Speaker 3: filler in my lips.
Speaker 2: I've contemplated it, and if I ever go down that road,
Speaker 2: I'll report.
Speaker 3: You can tell me if I'm moving my lips together
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 1: I'm here for Simla. I'm here for simlaa MacLean lip filler.
Speaker 1: I don't know not to say that your lips are bad.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna quick a little.
Speaker 2: Bit that I feel like it's a little bit thin now,
Speaker 2: Like I'm feeling like.
Speaker 1: Now, what happened? Do you think it's deflated over time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do, they deflate a little bit. It's the
Speaker 2: collagen or something. I feel like this is where it starts,
Speaker 2: and it's a slippery slope.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be.
Speaker 2: Looking like you know, God knows who in no time Wisner.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, filler?
Speaker 1: So am I so good? The way that I would
Speaker 1: say Sutton and Garcel also speculate over Kyle to every
Speaker 1: detail is completely and utterly unhealthy. I mean, we know
Speaker 1: my obsession with Kyle Riches is unhealthy. That is fine.
Speaker 1: But the way that these women can only talk about
Speaker 1: that when they get on the phone to each other, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 6: So how are you, by the way, random that Kyle
Speaker 6: wants to have dinner tonight considering we're all going to
Speaker 6: see each other tomorrow.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You have to answer this question for me, but is
Speaker 1: this normal behavior for women to focus in on one
Speaker 1: particular friend in the friend group and go hard for them.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like.
Speaker 2: I mean, we only saw one part of that conversation,
Speaker 2: but I was actually like yes, because I feel like
Speaker 2: when Kyle organized that dinner for the night before, they
Speaker 2: were onto it straight away. They were like, this is us.
Speaker 2: Kyle's never done this before. She knows we're filming the
Speaker 2: next day. She's not going to be like, hey, let's
Speaker 2: have an impromptu dinner and they were like, she's trying
Speaker 2: to rally the troops, which is what we talked about
Speaker 2: last week. It was recruitment, it's getting allies, it's getting
Speaker 2: a temperature check on where those other women are standing
Speaker 2: on her with this text issue before she goes back
Speaker 2: into battle the next day. And I think what we
Speaker 2: ended up seeing was there a of those women not
Speaker 2: being forthright and coming on her side and saying, yeah.
Speaker 3: Durt's out of line. You shouldn't feel bad for the
Speaker 3: text blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I think the fact that what happened at that dinner
Speaker 2: and Garcel saying, you know, I think you probably should
Speaker 2: have just said me and PK talk a little bit
Speaker 2: of shit about you, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: That would have been fine.
Speaker 6: If you said to her, you know what to read, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I talk a little with PK about you because I
Speaker 6: was also mad at you.
Speaker 1: That's also normal.
Speaker 2: I think when she realized those women were not going
Speaker 2: to stand up for her in another group setting because
Speaker 2: I didn't agree with her, I think she realized, I've
Speaker 2: got a change tact here.
Speaker 3: I really need to, you know, change direction. I've got
Speaker 3: a back down I've got.
Speaker 2: No one necessarily in my corner. I don't have the numbers,
Speaker 2: and I've got nowhere else to go. And that's how
Speaker 2: I think that played out on the beach.
Speaker 1: Carle certainly has and always has, and over time, anyone
Speaker 1: that's collecting a dorser on this would know she got
Speaker 1: patent behavior, you know, stuff that we see. But it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder whether or not she's aware of it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she's as calculated as what everyone
Speaker 1: thinks because I've been friends with I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say women, because I actually don't want to say that.
Speaker 1: I want to say all people. I've been friends with
Speaker 1: people over time who aren't consciously manipulative, but leave themselves
Speaker 1: open for others to suggest that they are, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I think that she's very lonely.
Speaker 1: I think that she's very scared. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of change happening in her life, and I think
Speaker 1: it's natural to be like, Oh, I've got to go
Speaker 1: to Garcel's beach house tomorrow. And the last time I
Speaker 1: saw all these women in dressing gowns, they weren't that nice,
Speaker 1: and so I'm going to really need to make sure
Speaker 1: that I've got some friends to take with me. Is
Speaker 1: that a bad thing?
Speaker 3: I don't think she's been.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say manipulative because I think that's
Speaker 2: too strong of a word. But I think she's smart
Speaker 2: enough to know how it plays out when you've been
Speaker 2: on the show this long. And I think when they
Speaker 2: rolled back all that footage, which again I was like, Oh.
Speaker 4: The questions, but that's what's going to have to happen.
Speaker 4: She's going to have to answer more than she's comfortable with. Well,
Speaker 4: that's because you know what we deserved another.
Speaker 3: Truth and I'm talking about it. I'm being more honest
Speaker 3: in the group.
Speaker 4: Okay, So for me to be questioned ladies, women that
Speaker 4: know me, it is extremely frustrating to me.
Speaker 2: The producers and then putting those edits in of all
Speaker 2: the times that she has said you have to be
Speaker 2: open and honest, she's going to have to answer all
Speaker 2: the questions. She's going to have to say more than
Speaker 2: she wants to. You need to say more.
Speaker 3: I thought, well, this is what it is.
Speaker 2: It's hypocrisy to sit there and say I don't have
Speaker 2: to answer these questions, or you know, view it a
Speaker 2: different way.
Speaker 3: And I think That's basically where it got to.
Speaker 2: And she realized the other women were not on her side.
Speaker 2: She had to change TAC with the read And when
Speaker 2: they sat down to have that beach conversation, I just thought.
Speaker 3: Wow, we she has put up the white flag.
Speaker 2: She's just gone, I've got nowhere else to go, and
Speaker 2: whatever Duried.
Speaker 3: Says, I'm just going to go, yes, yes, yes, sir,
Speaker 3: Yes sir, yes.
Speaker 2: Sir, and basically just hope that this whole thing gets
Speaker 2: blown over and move on.
Speaker 1: Can I just jump back on a point that you
Speaker 1: made about Kyle wanting people to be open and honest. Right,
Speaker 1: what do we know about Sutton and her personal life? No?
Speaker 2: I feel like Sutton we still haven't seen as much,
Speaker 2: but I just don't think there's as much there. I
Speaker 2: think we're seeing Sutton, you know, do what she does best,
Speaker 2: and that is stir the pot and get in there.
Speaker 2: And when she sat on that couch and said Kyle, well,
Speaker 2: why are we here? Like, I don't understand what the
Speaker 2: apology is for. It's not really clear. You could see
Speaker 2: Kyle was on the back foot.
Speaker 7: I got confused in all the words why you were apologizing?
Speaker 7: So I just want to be very clear, but why
Speaker 7: you felt like you needed to apologize.
Speaker 2: She was like, oh god, I thought I would just
Speaker 2: say sorry and all these women be like, that's okay, babe,
Speaker 2: Like you're going through a hard time to reach. Shouldn't
Speaker 2: be coming for you. She should understand you've been the
Speaker 2: best friend.
Speaker 3: But they pushed her.
Speaker 2: They pushed Kyle, and Kyle got put into an uncomfortable
Speaker 2: place where she's like, Okay, well I've got no allies here.
Speaker 3: And I have to turn around on the direction.
Speaker 2: So to go back to your point about seeing them
Speaker 2: on the couch and what they're going to.
Speaker 3: Say about their real life.
Speaker 2: I feel like Sutton has really stepped up on the
Speaker 2: pot stirring, and I think that's what she'll be able
Speaker 2: to hang a haut on. I mean, she would have
Speaker 2: taken on that Lisa in a role in terms of
Speaker 2: wanting the accountability from people.
Speaker 1: Lisa Brenner was accused of that for nine seasons of
Speaker 1: her being on the show or something like that around
Speaker 1: about that sort of episode, that that amount of seasons,
Speaker 1: you know, stirring the pot and earning her you know,
Speaker 1: earning her diamond by just being that not talking about
Speaker 1: the family too much, like we never really got to
Speaker 1: know Harry Hamlin that well, and even with the girls,
Speaker 1: like we really didn't get to know them that well.
Speaker 1: We've got to know her mum. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: think she showed enough.
Speaker 2: I just don't think Sutton has as much to show
Speaker 2: us there. I mean, I find her very strange personality.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when Dereitt's opening her heart
Speaker 2: out in the kitchen, saying, oh my god, my son's
Speaker 2: finally asked this question about whether we're getting divorced, and
Speaker 2: she's like, okay, so we'll wrap it up and get.
Speaker 3: In the cut. Like she's strange.
Speaker 2: She's strange, cookie, strange, pumpkin, I think, is what Darite
Speaker 2: said before.
Speaker 3: I was rudely interrupted, Well, sorry, we got we do
Speaker 3: have any.
Speaker 1: This was a wall of the story.
Speaker 3: Of all times. To interrupt Sutton. This is not it.
Speaker 3: But you know that's the role that she plays.
Speaker 2: That's what makes more interesting television, and you know it
Speaker 2: brings a difficult conversation to the table sometimes, but it
Speaker 2: needs to be had.
Speaker 1: I don't know, talk to me about the weight loss
Speaker 1: that you had between the last season and this season.
Speaker 1: I know we're talking and we're skirting on very difficult
Speaker 1: grounds because I don't think it's comfortable or the right
Speaker 1: thing to talk about people's physical appearance. But I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is I just would like
Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about her as a person,
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like we've learned that from other people.
Speaker 1: I'd like the veil to be lifted. I'd like to
Speaker 1: be less plots doing and more humanizing yourself to us,
Speaker 1: because at the moment when you interrupt a conversation like
Speaker 1: what Durite was having about something very serious, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that even people that don't like Drete would have
Speaker 1: found it really uncomfortable to watch a woman talking about
Speaker 1: her child like that, opening up and then being interrupted
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, it was so cruel.
Speaker 2: It was very bizarre, and I don't know how you
Speaker 2: could read a room that badly.
Speaker 3: I really, I really don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, we see in the mid season trailer, just
Speaker 2: to jump to that for a second, her having a
Speaker 2: goal at Drete and saying, well, mar Wilett's bigger, So
Speaker 2: there is obviously something coming there. But I think that's
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when you start to think if
Speaker 2: comments like that are coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 3: You really do think that you are in a different league.
Speaker 3: She's getting that.
Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifty grand a month from her ex husband.
Speaker 2: She has so much money. But then I feel like,
Speaker 2: when you're saying things like that, you actually do believe
Speaker 2: you're on a different level, and she just must think
Speaker 2: is not on the same level as her. She doesn't
Speaker 2: want to play with her. She doesn't see her the
Speaker 2: same way. She doesn't see her value. I'm so distracted
Speaker 2: with you taking off this mask. You're taking off your
Speaker 2: face mask. I can barely strength sentence together. You've got
Speaker 2: like a little mustache section left. You look like Bono
Speaker 2: Via Like, I'm so stup I can't what are you doing.
Speaker 2: I have to like not look at you. I can't
Speaker 2: think of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's really bad.
Speaker 2: Most of this episode I felt quite distracted, so.
Speaker 3: My points aren't landing.
Speaker 2: It's because I'm watching benst transition of a black face
Speaker 2: mask for his skin and is coming off in pieces.
Speaker 1: Okay, a little bit of context for anyone that's playing
Speaker 1: along in the background. Yeah, look, I don't know. Drep
Speaker 1: is an interesting one for Sudden. Sudden's never been able
Speaker 1: to see the other women on the show that she
Speaker 1: doesn't see that she doesn't care for. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing in a conversation about her best
Speaker 1: friend Garcel, she will be very much on it, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Where I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just think that she's just as like waiting for you
Speaker 1: to go or it's low hanging fruit for her.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing that did become a parent was when
Speaker 2: she said in her confessional, you know, Gussell and I
Speaker 2: are night minions. I very much was like, Oh, you've
Speaker 2: just solidified what the online world has been talking.
Speaker 3: About for years is that you guys are an allegiance.
Speaker 2: You are together, you are a package deal, and whatever
Speaker 2: one does, the other one backs up. Those two are
Speaker 2: like two peas in a pod and they very much
Speaker 2: go in the same direction.
Speaker 1: Do you think that these women would be friends in
Speaker 1: everyday circumstances? Like, do you think that they've gelled together
Speaker 1: just to have an alliance on this show?
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like Beverly Hills is a bit strange in that sense,
Speaker 2: isn't it. Everyone's always talking about Beverly Hills level of
Speaker 2: friendship rather than real friendship. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 2: some solid friendships that have emerged from the show.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know.
Speaker 2: Erica and Lisa Rinna definitely. I think Kyle and Teddy definitely.
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing Deret and Bows now having a relationship.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's not to say that there can't
Speaker 2: be genuine relationships formed. And I mean I would have
Speaker 2: put Kyle and to Read in that category as being
Speaker 2: really good friends. I never could understand when Kyle was
Speaker 2: trying to diminish that friendship. I still feel confused about
Speaker 2: what happened there. And she came out guns blazing and
Speaker 2: she scramped to find all these excuses that she was
Speaker 2: mad at with Dread And then we saw them sitting
Speaker 2: on the beach and d'uried saying, well, did you consider.
Speaker 3: Us good friends? And she says yes, that's her answer.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, if we went back four episodes ago,
Speaker 2: five episodes ago, she was saying, well, I didn't consider
Speaker 2: us that good of friends. We only went on one trip,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. She was singing a completely different story.
Speaker 2: She flipped on that beach. Did you not see that?
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I mean that's where this episode goes, and
Speaker 1: that's where we end is where we get the girls
Speaker 1: on the beach together. I don't know about you, and
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I know your answer anyway,
Speaker 1: but I just felt like to read at the bar
Speaker 1: and to read on the beach infuriated me.
Speaker 7: When you wrote to him and you said, you know,
Speaker 7: I've never repeated anything that you said. I know, I
Speaker 7: know that you were making him feel like he can
Speaker 7: talk to you, and you're not going to repeat it
Speaker 7: to me.
Speaker 1: She's trying to make Kyle completely accountable and responsible for
Speaker 1: a whole lot of behavior. And I'm not sure whether
Speaker 1: Deret is really wanting to own her part in this
Speaker 1: as well, because at the end of the day, Teddy
Speaker 1: Mellencamp ended up with a friendship with Kyle because she
Speaker 1: rang her outside of the show and she hung out
Speaker 1: with her outside of the show, and their lives and
Speaker 1: their likes and dislikes were similar. Everyone knows right from
Speaker 1: the start when the season wasn't on deurit was never
Speaker 1: with Kyle Richards. They were not having a friendship outside
Speaker 1: of the show. So like dereit does need to think
Speaker 1: about it's like this, and I'm sure you've been there
Speaker 1: as well with friends. When friends come and tell you
Speaker 1: about a problem that they're having. In a friend group,
Speaker 1: they come and tell you about what they're upset about.
Speaker 1: I always feel like you have to say to them,
Speaker 1: but what is it that you can own here, because
Speaker 1: that's all you can control. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, I think things get messy and they get complicated,
Speaker 2: and you know, that's where Eric has been. She's been
Speaker 2: stuck in the middle where you genuinely can see something
Speaker 2: quite often from both sides, and.
Speaker 3: It's a very hard sort of spot to be as
Speaker 3: a friend.
Speaker 2: But I think where it started with the beef with
Speaker 2: those two was about the diminishing of the friendship and
Speaker 2: Kyle not talking to her and all these other things,
Speaker 2: and then where it sort of landed was more to
Speaker 2: do with the text and the lying about the text
Speaker 2: and not being honest sort of about the full nature
Speaker 2: of the friendship with p K.
Speaker 3: And that's sort of it sort of overtook.
Speaker 2: I guess the initial issues that we saw in those
Speaker 2: first few episodes, but I think in terms.
Speaker 3: Of the text, that's where the focus.
Speaker 2: Has been, and that's where I think Kyle realized she
Speaker 2: had nowhere else to turn, she.
Speaker 3: Had nowhere to go. She just had to back down.
Speaker 2: I don't think she. I mean, she didn't say look sorry,
Speaker 2: I was in the role. She's just sort of said, sorry,
Speaker 2: I am your friend, my loyalty will be with you,
Speaker 2: and I'll stop doing that.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of where it finished up.
Speaker 2: I think it was nice to see them have nice
Speaker 2: conversation on the beach, having a hug at the end there.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was quite good
Speaker 2: and I'll be interested to see where that friendship kind
Speaker 2: of goes to from here.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. I always thought they were
Speaker 3: good friends. I really did.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five. What I find really interesting is
Speaker 1: people talking about girl groups and boy groups and talking
Speaker 1: about gender specific groups that people are obligatory, obliged to
Speaker 1: be a part of. You know, you're not being a
Speaker 1: girl's girl. Well, you're not a guy's guy. You're not this.
Speaker 1: Well we're moving further away from that. What is wrong
Speaker 1: with Kyle having a friendship? She met them both at
Speaker 1: the same time, PK and Darte. She met them both
Speaker 1: at the same time. She's had an equal friendship with
Speaker 1: both of them. Why is she obliged to pick the
Speaker 1: girl's side. Why is she obliged to be the girl's
Speaker 1: girl isn't what I think she's obliged.
Speaker 3: But she was the one that used that phrase. She
Speaker 3: was like, I'm a girl's girl. I wouldn't do that
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: She was the one that put that phrasing out there,
Speaker 2: and she was the one that was trying to sort
Speaker 2: of hang.
Speaker 3: Her hat on there. But this is what everyone was
Speaker 3: trying to get to the bottom of.
Speaker 2: Had she just said to be honest with you, PK
Speaker 2: and I get along super well, you and I weren't
Speaker 2: really talking. I appreciate his friendship more. And that's just
Speaker 2: kind of where it was at. I think everyone would
Speaker 2: have been happier with that, And I think that's what
Speaker 2: Garcel and someton were trying to get to the bottom of,
Speaker 2: just her being honest about that and actually saying it,
Speaker 2: rather than trying to spin the narrative and sort of
Speaker 2: get all these other people onside to sort of put
Speaker 2: to read back.
Speaker 3: In a corner and silence her about it. I think
Speaker 3: if she'd have just said that, everyone would have been fine.
Speaker 2: What everyone was trying to point out was the years
Speaker 2: of demanding honesty from other people and then her not
Speaker 2: wanting to be honest about it.
Speaker 3: Herself.
Speaker 2: That's where the issue was, was the lack of accountability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I guess I wonder why I
Speaker 1: kicked you know, I've listened back to some of the
Speaker 1: chats that we've had, and I get really infuriated with
Speaker 1: me not answering some of your questions. Sometimes I'm just
Speaker 1: really struggling with the reasons as to why I can't
Speaker 1: answer specific questions that you've asked me every week. And
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's just because I'm flying blind
Speaker 1: with my love of Kyle Richards, but I just sometimes that's.
Speaker 3: What it is. No, I do think that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not that I feel.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not understanding where your defensive her is coming from.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm like a huge Carle Richards fans too,
Speaker 2: and I think most of the people that watch.
Speaker 3: This show are. But I think in this situation, she
Speaker 3: has been wrong.
Speaker 2: I thought it on the premiere, I thought it the
Speaker 2: whole way through, and I've thought it with this tech scandal,
Speaker 2: she's been wrong. She's been hiding whatever the hell she
Speaker 2: was actually pissed about, and I think she has played
Speaker 2: it wrong. And I think she you know, she had
Speaker 2: to back down.
Speaker 3: She just had to.
Speaker 2: But I think she's done that to try and sweep
Speaker 2: it over, not because she genuinely believes that she was
Speaker 2: in the wrong.
Speaker 1: There's a few things that we haven't touched on in
Speaker 1: this episode that we need to backtrack over. Just a
Speaker 1: couple of things, and that was what about to read
Speaker 1: when she did bring up Jagger, when she brought up
Speaker 1: her son, and being shocked and being blindsided by that
Speaker 1: question from a ten year old.
Speaker 7: Are you and Daddy divorced? I said, no, what you know?
Speaker 7: What makes you ask that? And he says, well, he said,
Speaker 7: did you post something on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Would you, by this stage be that ignorant to think
Speaker 1: that your child would not be on social media? Like
Speaker 1: you can't hide? I think some of the goals.
Speaker 2: This is where it's different because she homeschools. She gets
Speaker 2: those kids homeschooled. Oh yeah, So this is where I
Speaker 2: think there was the initial thought process that, well, I've
Speaker 2: kind of got control of their environment and they're not
Speaker 2: necessarily going to have access to this information, nor are
Speaker 2: they going to be interacting on the daily other people's
Speaker 2: kids or whatever, and in that sort of typical setting.
Speaker 2: So I think that's where she did think that she
Speaker 2: had a little bit more assertion over what information they
Speaker 2: could have or not have, or sort of trying to
Speaker 2: buy herself some time, you know, But I think that's
Speaker 2: a decision that both of them should have been making together.
Speaker 2: I don't know where they he was in agreeance with that.
Speaker 2: We sort of haven't heard any differently. She just said,
Speaker 2: I've tried to protect the kids. But look, it was
Speaker 2: this heartbreaking moment. I mean, I'm sure that was, you know,
Speaker 2: awful to have to sit there and tell him, But
Speaker 2: you could tell that other women were sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: what was coming?
Speaker 7: Dull?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, like your time's run out,
Speaker 2: Like you're going to have to.
Speaker 3: Deal with it. It's part of it. It's happening, and
Speaker 3: this is the landscape that we're living in.
Speaker 2: So you know, even though you've bought yourself a couple
Speaker 2: of extra weeks of not having to deal with it,
Speaker 2: surely you didn't think that that was going to go
Speaker 2: on too much longer.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can build yourself a stick house, you
Speaker 1: can build yourself a strawhouse, you can build yourself a
Speaker 1: brick house, and you've got to make sure that you've
Speaker 1: prepared yourself to be able to tackle this situation. I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, all three scenarios could
Speaker 1: see you being eaten by the big bad wolf. But
Speaker 1: at least prepare your children with the information that they
Speaker 1: have armed them with information I think to help them
Speaker 1: prepare themselves. I don't know. I don't have children, and
Speaker 1: I feel like someone's going to come for me in
Speaker 1: the online comments section when I say this, But I
Speaker 1: actually feel like there was a bit of negligence on
Speaker 1: behalf of PK and dear by not having that conversation
Speaker 1: with Jagger because you left him open.
Speaker 2: Well, I just think that they've obviously tried to do
Speaker 2: what they think is right, and whether you know it
Speaker 2: has been a better outcome or worse, you know, we'll
Speaker 2: never know because we don't get to see the other
Speaker 2: side play out. But what we did get to see
Speaker 2: was someton cutting off that conversation going well, anyway, speaking
Speaker 2: of best friends, we've got to get to garselves. That
Speaker 2: to me spoke volumes because she almost had that attitude
Speaker 2: of like, we told you this was.
Speaker 3: Going to happen. We were wrong, you were wrong.
Speaker 2: I can't be bothered talking about this anymore? What the
Speaker 2: fuck did you think was going to happen? You're an
Speaker 2: idiot and I just want to get to my friend's
Speaker 2: house and.
Speaker 3: Poorous spirits like that. It had a real, like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, dismissive overtone to it, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: that was definitely very evident.
Speaker 1: I think you're onto something that you know. I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about it from that perspective, but I do think
Speaker 1: you're onto it. I also think that the other women,
Speaker 1: they don't seem to appreciate garselves beach House as much
Speaker 1: as Garcel appreciates.
Speaker 3: Her beach house beach House.
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of like the rest of
Speaker 1: the women must look at the beach House like most
Speaker 1: people look at like getting a caravan, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. No one seems to be appreciating poor Garcel
Speaker 1: with this beach house as much as she is. Do
Speaker 1: you think it's I.
Speaker 2: Feel like the beach House is almost a friend of
Speaker 2: like the beach House. This season has overtaken Kathy Hilton,
Speaker 2: and the beach House needs like a credit line, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like it is every episode
Speaker 2: we're getting Beach House updates. I mean, aside from the
Speaker 2: fact that that light shade made of the shells.
Speaker 3: I was like, girl, that is strange choice. But you know,
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it does symbolize a lot of her,
Speaker 3: you know, where she was, where she is.
Speaker 2: I think we've got to see a lot of that
Speaker 2: from a viewer point of view, because she talks about
Speaker 2: a lot in her confessionals.
Speaker 3: But you're right. I think the girls just went.
Speaker 2: They were like, oh, cool, congrats, Like it's fun, let's
Speaker 2: have a shampez.
Speaker 3: We're freezing. We're freezing. We're cold. We're cold. We're so cold.
Speaker 2: I didn't really see the full pomp and ceremony to
Speaker 2: you know, congratulate her.
Speaker 1: You're right, no one's come to the party and said, well, Garcelle,
Speaker 1: we love this place. I mean, Kyle looked more excited
Speaker 1: about the Papatobico, pimper de Paco, pep department whatever. She
Speaker 1: looked more excited about that, And we know she was
Speaker 1: faking that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: No one was like gasel yay. I mean, here's a
Speaker 1: toaster that's from Gucci. I mean, let me tell you
Speaker 1: when they said it was seven hundred dollars, I was like,
Speaker 1: a seven hundred American, that's a fac.
Speaker 3: And T cut. Is it an ad to cut moment
Speaker 3: for Benjamin Norris?
Speaker 1: When I watched on the show in Garcelle's house, I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I want to introduce something new to
Speaker 1: our podcast. What was your favorite moment of this episode?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it would have to be the reconciliation.
Speaker 3: I actually do.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: What I do appreciate about Kyle and Dread is that
Speaker 2: they are very logical people, and I think it is
Speaker 2: nice to see that kind of calm conversation.
Speaker 3: I think even when they've been fighting.
Speaker 2: They've still been cordial to each other at the air
Speaker 2: and how you hugger a kiss like, I think they've
Speaker 2: actually handled it quite well despite the level of frustration
Speaker 2: that they've both felt. So I think it was nice
Speaker 2: to see that resolution come to a point where it
Speaker 2: was just them on the beach.
Speaker 3: Having a hug.
Speaker 2: I think they both sort of, you know, will deread
Speaker 2: I think felt heard and seen at that point, and
Speaker 2: I think that's all she really wanted, So I would
Speaker 2: have to say that was the best moment.
Speaker 7: What I would like to see is that we get
Speaker 7: to a police where we're able to have conversations and
Speaker 7: feel comfortable telling one another how we feel.
Speaker 1: My favorite moment of the whole episode goes to someone
Speaker 1: that you and I don't always appreciate. That's something turning
Speaker 1: up at the lunch and going what are we here for?
Speaker 3: I gotta ask why are we here? With the apology?
Speaker 3: I just why you're apologizing now?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the lead up to I just want
Speaker 1: to be clear on what you're apologizing for.
Speaker 2: And you know, another funny moment I'll give my silver
Speaker 2: medal was when they were trying to do those lanterns
Speaker 2: and Bos's just went off down the beach, looking like
Speaker 2: a hollowed out tampon, just flying.
Speaker 3: Down the beach.
Speaker 2: It's like the wishes and the dreams are not coming
Speaker 2: through today. The lantern is not going up, and can
Speaker 2: someone please get that litter off the beach?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Look a dead bird?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dead bird. Oh that was a bit scary.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, it's a symbol.
Speaker 1: It's a symbol. So I want to ask you before
Speaker 1: we talk about the mid season promo while I put
Speaker 1: myself together, is how many Alana mcleans do we have?
Speaker 1: Or actually we'll change it to how many spritzers do
Speaker 1: you give? This episode?
Speaker 2: I liked it. I liked it. I did like it.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think I liked it as much
Speaker 2: as a week before. Maybe, but I'll not give it
Speaker 2: at four. I think it was decent. I think it
Speaker 2: was good to have the resolution moment, and I think
Speaker 2: it was very good to sort of have that sort
Speaker 2: of resolution. And then we got the mid season trially,
Speaker 2: because it sort of felt like to your point last week,
Speaker 2: when you were I think this is dragging on? Is
Speaker 2: this all it's going to be for the whole season,
Speaker 2: it sort of felt like that had been bookended a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the four point five again,
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is that I do think
Speaker 1: that there was some really good pacing in this where
Speaker 1: there was nothing really wasted. I really enjoyed that we
Speaker 1: saw very little of Jennifer Tilly, thank you. And then
Speaker 1: we also we got some really interesting conversations. You know,
Speaker 1: something that we didn't touch on was Garcel and Kyle
Speaker 1: talking about Garcel repeating stuff that Kyle had given her.
Speaker 3: That particular day.
Speaker 4: I was kind of like Kime and sat down and
Speaker 4: then and all of a sudden goes you need to
Speaker 4: show the text to everyone, And then Eric I was like, well,
Speaker 4: hold on a minute, Garceon went to Bowls the day
Speaker 4: after puck you cheese, And then I was like, you don't.
Speaker 3: Even know her.
Speaker 6: I don't feel like me sharing that information about the
Speaker 6: text of Bows is a violation to Kyle, a betrayaled
Speaker 6: to cut.
Speaker 1: That was some really interesting conversation amongst two women, because
Speaker 1: I think it was something they could have easily tried
Speaker 1: to step over, and both of these went with their
Speaker 1: opinions pretty hard, and we're still leaving space for each
Speaker 1: other to be heard. I thought that was really compelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think I think, well,
Speaker 2: I think Garsell's actually one of the best at doing that.
Speaker 2: I think what we what we see from her, she
Speaker 2: will follow through on what she wants to say, and
Speaker 2: I'll you know, credit where credits due.
Speaker 1: Mid season promo, I thought it was really weak. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a bit undercooked. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we got to see enough, Like I think
Speaker 1: that the back end of the season was being shown
Speaker 1: more as fashion holidays and good hearted, good fun girl time.
Speaker 7: Later this season and the Real Housewives of Beverly Hill
Speaker 7: strated you let.
Speaker 1: Her grab your sister?
Speaker 3: Where's she going, well, go to.
Speaker 5: I have a bomb.
Speaker 3: She's a woman on the d world. A man wants
Speaker 3: a divorce. We're getting a divorce.
Speaker 7: There's a lot in California community property.
Speaker 3: You and get half.
Speaker 1: He's trying to divorce you before ten years.
Speaker 3: Oh hell no, h really, I'm sorry for hurrying you.
Speaker 3: I would never want to hurt you on her person.
Speaker 5: Do you guys think that you like move in together
Speaker 5: like before when I got married.
Speaker 6: She would just love to hear you say that you
Speaker 6: love her too.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's any of your business.
Speaker 3: You're such a bitch.
Speaker 7: Don't call me a bitch in my home for sake.
Speaker 5: If somebody wants in my house and calls me a bitch,
Speaker 5: those are fighting words.
Speaker 7: You need to pick on somebody else who'se wallet gits
Speaker 7: think you're bigger than her.
Speaker 4: I think my wallet is you paulose as a friend
Speaker 4: and then oftentimes work as an enemy.
Speaker 3: What do you think want from me? Last week? I'm
Speaker 3: crazy yacht from hell?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, I'm going to give the mid season promo
Speaker 1: one star.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, I feel like I'll give it a
Speaker 3: bit more than that.
Speaker 2: I was very interested to see where that to eat
Speaker 2: and Sutton Beef goes around the wallet comment because I
Speaker 2: think that opens up a whole class debate that maybe
Speaker 2: we haven't really seen openly where she thinks lower of her,
Speaker 2: she thinks less of her, So we're interested to see
Speaker 2: where that goes.
Speaker 3: The Kyle and Maurisio, you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's some kind of emotional moment there that we
Speaker 2: saw is like, I'm really sorry, wodn't got to hurt
Speaker 2: you on purpose? She's builing her eyes out. The vein
Speaker 2: makes another appearance in the forehead. Keen to see where
Speaker 2: that goes. And I think the fun sort of cast
Speaker 2: trip in Instant Lucia because I think, you know, we
Speaker 2: saw some shitty budget, half baked cast trip on a
Speaker 2: beach somewhere at the beginning of the season with Kathy
Speaker 2: Hilton delivering hats to people, and then we've seen this
Speaker 2: beach episode kind of again. I'm like, I want some glamour.
Speaker 2: I want like cast trip, like I want that to deliver.
Speaker 2: I want opulence, I want elegance, I want you know,
Speaker 2: I want all the things. So I'm keen to see that.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'll give it more than man,
Speaker 2: I'll give it three.
Speaker 1: If you could write, like a question to Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: for the reunion mid season, would you have a question?
Speaker 1: Because you actually do send Andy Cohen questions, and I'd
Speaker 1: be very shocked. I'd be very shocked if we don't
Speaker 1: at some point soon see him read one of your questions,
Speaker 1: because they're always very good.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you've put me on the spot. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Would you have on? What would it be?
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen? Dick pick? No, I'm kidding, he'd probably.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, So, I mean, who knows. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: going to come back to you on.
Speaker 1: These I think we're both going to come back.
Speaker 2: I think I thinks that's anyone that wants to sort
Speaker 2: of chime in send DM.
Speaker 3: Maybe we can throw a few of the.
Speaker 2: Questions out so that everyone can hear, and then you know,
Speaker 2: why don't we just send them in?
Speaker 1: We can send them in, We can chew on that.
Speaker 1: What's on for the weekend? Are you day sparring? Day drinking?
Speaker 1: What do you do well?
Speaker 3: Day drunk? Through this episode? So that's been quite nice. No,
Speaker 3: I've got like a.
Speaker 2: Work function on tonight and then I'm just going to
Speaker 2: try and chill this weekend.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like not do as much saving for
Speaker 3: trying to be a little bit more select.
Speaker 2: You just take it down a little not but you know,
Speaker 2: we say that, and then next minute I'll be like,
Speaker 2: WELLT de clare.
Speaker 1: It's impromptu karaoke YouTube, husband, Robbie, sit down and watch.
Speaker 3: With Kylie Minogue's back catalog.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to leave you with I'm going to
Speaker 1: go and see Natalie Bassingthwait in Shirley Valentine tonight. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go and put on some sort
Speaker 1: of red carpet outfit and peel the rest of the
Speaker 1: face mask off.
Speaker 2: Please never come on the podcast with that face mask
Speaker 2: on again. I feel like the first twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: Of that I was so distracted.
Speaker 2: It was so funny to watch the transition, the moments
Speaker 2: of it all falling off.
Speaker 3: But look, never a dull moment with you, my darling.
Speaker 1: Next too soon, Okay, love you bye,