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Speaker 1: Hazlewood in an exclusive chat. But first Joshua Finger here
Speaker 1: with Kane Richardson. Welcome back to the hot seat, richard has.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ben, good to be back. Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2: It's been a quiet winter. And you said the Test
Speaker 2: summer's back. It's the Test spring.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if anyone takes a great catch up, North
Speaker 2: will be catch of the spring, won't it. Well, winter
Speaker 2: stiably still so, but yeah, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 2: It's good. You're looking fine and dapper and you look
Speaker 2: like you're a really nice ten as well.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. I had a few weeks away,
Speaker 1: which is very nice in the States of Mexico. A
Speaker 1: bit of sporting action going on.
Speaker 2: Cheered on our socks, cheered.
Speaker 1: Them on, yep, but never cheated. Neil Nild You're also hard,
Speaker 1: but got the point that they needed.
Speaker 2: I saw some great kid from you as well as
Speaker 2: you pulled out some retro Australian Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I had a little bit of green and gold
Speaker 1: in the cupboard.
Speaker 2: So who's your plug? Who's your connection for that?
Speaker 1: A little friend called Jim down in South Australia. It
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be cold out, but he's a superstar
Speaker 1: and that's department, isn't he?
Speaker 2: Thank you Jim.
Speaker 1: And you've got a wool and going hat on today.
Speaker 1: What's the connection there that's.
Speaker 2: With the hometown of Adam Zamper, isn't it? I think? Okay,
Speaker 2: just a bit of tourist memorabilia. I actually I have
Speaker 2: never been. I just found it in a shot shout
Speaker 2: out Woollo Gong surf Leisure resort.
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go. Okay, great. As I said, We've
Speaker 1: got Josh Hazewood for an exclusive chat this episode. He
Speaker 1: is back to full fitness and fingers cross it can
Speaker 1: play his first Test in a bit over a year
Speaker 1: when they played Bangladesh and let's talk about that Ossie
Speaker 1: squad rijo because it's basically full strength. We've seen that
Speaker 1: Pat Cummins is there, Josh Hazwood is there, Nathan Lyon
Speaker 1: is back, and the Aussies have been in Brisbane over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks going through their paces and
Speaker 1: doing a bit of interest squad hitouts and those sorts
Speaker 1: of things. It's exciting to have the full contingent back
Speaker 1: because it feels like it's been a while.
Speaker 2: It does feel like it has been a long time
Speaker 2: since the Ashes kind of wrapped up. So it's nice
Speaker 2: for the crowd in Darwin to get and Mackaire to
Speaker 2: get you know, you get to see the first choice
Speaker 2: guys up close. So there's that's a really good part
Speaker 2: of it as well, because there's nothing worse. You know,
Speaker 2: you bring cricket back to that, you know, I know
Speaker 2: they had some limited over stuff last year, but to
Speaker 2: bring Test cricket back to that those parts of the
Speaker 2: world and then not have the biggest stars, So that's
Speaker 2: a really good part of it as well. But it's
Speaker 2: also nice from the selectors. You know, there's an enormous
Speaker 2: amount of cricket coming up. Test cricket. This is our team,
Speaker 2: this is our strongest, you know, eleven or squad to
Speaker 2: start with, and then they can kind of work their
Speaker 2: way back from there. So there's a few question marks
Speaker 2: obviously with Josh as you said, with his fitness and
Speaker 2: it's been a long time since played a Test match,
Speaker 2: but also Nathan Lyon returning. So there's some question marks
Speaker 2: over a few guys in terms of not not ever
Speaker 2: has there been question marks over their performance, but more
Speaker 2: so how will they go And it's going to be
Speaker 2: tough like that. You know, you're in Sydney for winter,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're in Darwin for spring. It's
Speaker 2: going to be warm, and I imagine the wickets won't
Speaker 2: be conducive to bowling, so it's going to be it's
Speaker 2: going to be tough.
Speaker 1: We're expecting some flatter decks, it.
Speaker 2: Would be reasonable to assume that. So it's not going
Speaker 2: to be everything in their favor. But again these these
Speaker 2: are the best bowlers in the world, so they'll find
Speaker 2: a way. But I just do think it will. We'll
Speaker 2: hit them quicker than what they expect in terms of
Speaker 2: if they're not fully prepared.
Speaker 1: And I mean, as you sort of touch on, it's
Speaker 1: great that they've come out with this full strength squad
Speaker 1: because over the last few weeks management and players have
Speaker 1: repeatedly said that these fast ballers just can't play twenty
Speaker 1: one Tests in twelve months or whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: that's fair enough, because that's a lot of cricket. But
Speaker 1: to start with your strongest, even though it might not
Speaker 1: be the strongest opponent, I think it's a good sign
Speaker 1: and that's a good way to start this big stretch
Speaker 1: of cricket.
Speaker 2: Well, we've probably been speaking about this more than anyone
Speaker 2: about how just to admire them and appreciate them before
Speaker 2: they're done.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: And again, this next period of cricket probably sets them
Speaker 2: up to achieve some things. They've achieved everything, they've won everything,
Speaker 2: really haven't they But there's only there's probably some places
Speaker 2: around the world that they haven't won. I know, Josh
Speaker 2: spoke about that last week, So that's probably the it's
Speaker 2: really the last thing and on their belt, the notch
Speaker 2: on their belt that they haven't got yet. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the start of that journey for them to achieve.
Speaker 2: The group as well, they've been building for so long,
Speaker 2: so yeah, this kind of sets them up nicely. But yeah, again,
Speaker 2: it's a great way to start a springboard into a
Speaker 2: campaign to have this is and even for the rest
Speaker 2: of the squad whoever doesn't make you know that first test,
Speaker 2: all right, this is the benchmark, this is the team.
Speaker 2: I've got to find my way in and we'll have
Speaker 2: the domestic season starting surely as well, so other guys
Speaker 2: will get opportunities. But yeah, I think it is a
Speaker 2: really good job by the selectors to get everyone up
Speaker 2: and running for that test.
Speaker 1: Some are calling this a bit of a legacy season,
Speaker 1: especially for these guys. If they can tick off a
Speaker 1: win in South Africa, a win in India, a win
Speaker 1: in England. Is that fair or is that putting a
Speaker 1: little bit extra pressure on them?
Speaker 2: I think it is fair. Like I remember thinking back
Speaker 2: when I was still playing and playing with those guys
Speaker 2: and I was like, what gets them out of bed
Speaker 2: every day? You know, And it has to be things
Speaker 2: like that at the end of the day when you've
Speaker 2: achieved as much as they have to continue to do
Speaker 2: the work away. You know, this time of year, especially
Speaker 2: where we're not talking about them, we're not seeing them
Speaker 2: every day they're doing the work. Still, what is driving
Speaker 2: and what is motivating them outside of obviously making a living,
Speaker 2: and it's that part of it. They've done basically everything,
Speaker 2: it's that small part that they haven't achieved that obviously
Speaker 2: that really motivates them to continue. So I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: I mean, legacy is something that these guys that that's
Speaker 2: the air they're in, isn't it. It will speak about
Speaker 2: him in you know, fifteen, twenty, twenty five, fifty years
Speaker 2: that this group, especially the bowlers, I mean that's specifically
Speaker 2: the guys who've been around for a long time, and
Speaker 2: obviously Steve Smith with the bat. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's fair.
Speaker 1: You'll hear this in the chat that that's coming up
Speaker 1: with Hazwood, but I sort of hinted that, you know,
Speaker 1: there might be an opportunity or a situation where he
Speaker 1: might have to sit out a test in this next
Speaker 1: stretch even though he's fit, And he said that would
Speaker 1: be really tough if that was the case, because as
Speaker 1: a bowler, you can probably relate. If you're fully fit,
Speaker 1: you expect to be playing. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: sitting out, even if it's the best thing for management
Speaker 1: or rotation or whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, absolutely and especially with age. I think I
Speaker 2: always remember people saying once you are like, once you
Speaker 2: do get to a certain age, it is easier to
Speaker 2: just keep going. But if he's missing a test, he's
Speaker 2: going to stop bowling. But I do think like match
Speaker 2: match prep and repetitioning game, you do just want to
Speaker 2: keep going the minute you stop. Especially for someone like
Speaker 2: Josh who's missed so much cricket, the last thing he
Speaker 2: wants now is to not be playing. So but also
Speaker 2: it's better to miss a test fit than it is
Speaker 2: to miss test matches injured and not even be around
Speaker 2: and be watching it on TV at home. So they're
Speaker 2: going to have to probably temper those expectations and pull
Speaker 2: back a little bit and understand that it is going
Speaker 2: to be holistically, like everyone in that squad supports stuff,
Speaker 2: They're all going to have a part to play in that,
Speaker 2: because to keep these guys in the park, it's going
Speaker 2: to take everyone.
Speaker 1: And how good did he look last season before he
Speaker 1: got injured. He was killing him in those two twenties
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 2: That was the thing. I think that's probably more frustrating
Speaker 2: as well, isn't it When he is up and going.
Speaker 2: He's still you know, he saw in the IPL as
Speaker 2: well when he came back, like he just doesn't miss
Speaker 2: a bat. He doesn't old BA ball in his career,
Speaker 2: really has he, So he's almost a robot. So to
Speaker 2: get him back playing is something we all want to see. Again.
Speaker 2: There's not long left, so to to get every opportunity
Speaker 2: to see them would be would be nice. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the frustration last year, wasn't it. But then again,
Speaker 2: there's always it seems as if there's always someone waiting
Speaker 2: in the wings, and that's someone has been Scott Bolan,
Speaker 2: hasn't it. And Michael Nessa yeah as well. So yeah, again,
Speaker 2: just appreciate the time they have left.
Speaker 1: Those two both had fantastic Ashes campaigns and it's crazy
Speaker 1: that they could sort of miss this first Test back
Speaker 1: just by the sheer number of players who are coming back.
Speaker 1: Brendan Dogget's there as well. Billy Stanley has been training
Speaker 1: at the Aussies as well up in Brisbane and he
Speaker 1: was on that recent trip to Bangladesh and Jakistan, so
Speaker 1: they obviously right Big Billy. We know that he's played
Speaker 1: for Australia a bit in the past. And he's got high,
Speaker 1: he's got pace, just needs to stay in the park.
Speaker 1: He could be anything, So things crossed a big billy.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's quite in the test reckoning yet,
Speaker 1: but who knows. Things can change very quickly and cricket,
Speaker 1: can't they Bangladesh, I know you've been right into the
Speaker 1: ways of the Tigers squad. They have made quite a
Speaker 1: few changes. Sumya Saka, the experienced test opener, hasn't played
Speaker 1: Tests for five years, but their chief selector Habibleshah said
Speaker 1: a bit of desperation in picking some They just don't
Speaker 1: have any other openers who can handle pace and bounce,
Speaker 1: and so they've gone back to the well with him.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably a fair enough bet. You've probably
Speaker 1: going to more likely get a good result with a
Speaker 1: thirty three year old rather than throwing in someone who's
Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen and only played first class cricket in Bangladesh.
Speaker 1: So you can understand that they're quick. So they are
Speaker 1: missing Nahid Runner, which is a real shame. He ruffled
Speaker 1: up Pakistan in that series that they won two nil.
Speaker 1: He can hit close to one hundred and fifty k's
Speaker 1: an hour. He's one of the fastest bowls in the
Speaker 1: world at the minute. But he's out with a side strain,
Speaker 1: which is a real shame. But they do have an
Speaker 1: experienced pace attack, which I I do like. Again, they
Speaker 1: haven't gone for use and raw players who are untested,
Speaker 1: which we do see a lot of teams try in Australia.
Speaker 1: They've gone with Tasken Arman who's thirty one, Khalau Hman
Speaker 1: who's thirty three, and ever Dot Hussein Richard he's thirty two.
Speaker 1: He has cut short his paternity leave. He was enjoying
Speaker 1: some potential leave in Italy. He's decided to cut short
Speaker 1: that little time with new baby and wife. He's going
Speaker 1: to arrive in Australia to solidify this fast bowling attack.
Speaker 1: So that's a very selfless thing he's.
Speaker 2: Done, cut it short. Wonder what his prepper was like
Speaker 2: in Italy, car Bloating probably probably was. Maybe in Rome
Speaker 2: was Joe Burns, that was part of.
Speaker 1: The world was over there getting married.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, maybe there's a little cricketing only being
Speaker 2: built there on there. I think I'm not sure the
Speaker 2: conditions in Rome will be similar to Dull. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe the heat is the only thing but very noble
Speaker 2: of him. It's it's one of those things you know
Speaker 2: you want to take a bit of paternally to leave,
Speaker 2: but then when you're actually changing nap he's every fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe bowling a couple of spells and Test
Speaker 2: cricket doesn't sound too bad. So good on him though,
Speaker 2: that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope we've see him in the first eleven now
Speaker 1: and then get a couple of wickets to be a
Speaker 1: great story. Litton das he's also one who's just been
Speaker 1: included this week. That's a big conclusion. He's been their
Speaker 1: leading run score over the last five years. Very handy
Speaker 1: keeper bat and I think he's got six or seven
Speaker 1: Test hundreds to his name now, so he can certainly
Speaker 1: do it at the top level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be It's interesting you said about Sumusaka and
Speaker 2: he's accustomed to pace and bounces. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: to expect when I say the conditions, I think they
Speaker 2: will be good. It's not going to be you know,
Speaker 2: Optus day one in terms of you know, Gabba that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. So it'd be interesting to see what
Speaker 2: they're expecting and what we'll get, because I don't think
Speaker 2: it will be that typical Australian test pitch where you
Speaker 2: know the quicks are super effective in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: scene movement and swing and bounce, but it could be
Speaker 2: it could be more similar to what you know bangaledes
Speaker 2: She conditions in terms of low bounce. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how much it will spin, so again we're all probably
Speaker 2: guessing a little bit with I know from Cricketbean played
Speaker 2: up there last year only a T twenty, but it
Speaker 2: did tend to go a little bit up and down,
Speaker 2: more down if anything, and low bounce, so if anything,
Speaker 2: it might plant Banglesh's hands. Okay with that, but again
Speaker 2: I could be proven very wrong.
Speaker 1: But if you had to make a guess at this
Speaker 1: point and we're still over a week outfrom because you'd
Speaker 1: say spin will become a big factor in the game.
Speaker 2: I think, just naturally with the conditions being warmer and
Speaker 2: son out that the pitch will break up. But it
Speaker 2: is a drop in as well, so I just think
Speaker 2: naturally from seeing it up there this time year, it's
Speaker 2: always been a bit lower anything, so it will keep blow,
Speaker 2: will break up. So again I can be proven wrong,
Speaker 2: but I don't think the Banglesh she's thinking it's going
Speaker 2: to be fast and bouncy, will be, will be on
Speaker 2: the money.
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into that chat with Josh Azood.
Speaker 1: When we returned from this quick break. We've got the
Speaker 1: Aussie fastballer who's just had a chat to us yesterday
Speaker 1: in Brisbane.
Speaker 3: Well, josh Ason, welcome to the Unplayable podcast.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You mentioned just off there there the IPL another title
Speaker 1: with our CB. Can you just run us through what
Speaker 1: this season was like to play again and win another
Speaker 1: title of the biggest league in the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was obviously a bit different than the year before.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, we hadn't won in ever so
Speaker 5: eighteen years, so I think that was sort of a
Speaker 5: big relief for pressure, particularly the guys have been there
Speaker 5: for you know, some have been there since the start,
Speaker 5: some have been there one year, five years, seven years.
Speaker 5: So I think that's a big relief relief for pressure
Speaker 5: to get the one off the back. And then this
Speaker 5: year I probably we probably played with a bit more freedom,
Speaker 5: I guess, just purely because of that. We're obviously the
Speaker 5: hunted throughout the whole tournament, where that means anything in
Speaker 5: T twenty, but I think everyone goes pretty hard anyways.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was a great, great few months. We've
Speaker 5: got a pretty good team at the present moment, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's good fun.
Speaker 3: What's it like playing with vire out in India like
Speaker 3: that must.
Speaker 5: Be pretty crazy. Yeah, it just means that every game
Speaker 5: is a home game. Basically, you've got I think every
Speaker 5: game but maybe Chenna and we'll buy. You've got ninety
Speaker 5: percent of the crowd, so really Bengal, youve got one
Speaker 5: hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Every other ground you got ninety.
Speaker 5: You know, ten nine, while you've probably got fifty to
Speaker 5: fifty starts. It's a it's a nice feeling to be
Speaker 5: cheered all the time.
Speaker 1: And was it good to be back bowling and see
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a break for you before that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was nice, it was nice.
Speaker 5: I think T twenty is good in that regards that,
Speaker 5: you know, coming off the back of not much for
Speaker 5: a few months, you can sort of pick up and
Speaker 5: as long as your intensity is is good enough, which
Speaker 5: is tough to do in the next but you know,
Speaker 5: got to India, you know, trained over there as well,
Speaker 5: got that intensity up as best you can.
Speaker 4: You're almost ready straight away.
Speaker 5: So in terms of day and day out workloads for
Speaker 5: a Test match, you don't need those behind you, so
Speaker 5: tick that intensity box and then you're sort of a way.
Speaker 4: So it's a good format to creep back into cricket.
Speaker 1: And the Chinaswami isn't normally known as a bowling you know,
Speaker 1: sort of friendly venue, but that's the home ground, so
Speaker 1: you've got to work out a way to make it
Speaker 1: work right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was probably a bit flatter this year.
Speaker 5: Last year was quite bounty wicket, so it was it
Speaker 5: was nice to bowl them, but this year was Schools
Speaker 5: were a bit higher.
Speaker 4: I think it's just the mentality of the wicket and
Speaker 4: the field.
Speaker 5: A small outfield, good wicket, School's going to be higher
Speaker 5: as long as we're in a better mindset than the
Speaker 5: opposition bowlers. I certainly know that they come thinking, oh no,
Speaker 5: to twenty two forty could be more. It's tough place
Speaker 5: to bowl, but I think you can really turn the
Speaker 5: game in a couple of balls or in over So
Speaker 5: I think that's sort of the mentality that we have
Speaker 5: as a bowling group.
Speaker 1: And I imagine when it's full and people are cheering,
Speaker 1: like there's no chance you're going to hear someone clicking
Speaker 1: their fingers at slip.
Speaker 4: Is there definitely not. No, there's a few chances that go.
Speaker 5: I think there's only about under forty thousand capacities, but
Speaker 5: it feels like I guess it's small field, so they
Speaker 5: feel on top of you. They feel like, you know,
Speaker 5: sixty or seventy, so it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's a big stretch of cricket coming out for Australia,
Speaker 1: as has been pretty well publicized up to twenty one
Speaker 1: Test tours to South Africa, India, England.
Speaker 3: Is that daunting as a player or does that make
Speaker 3: you excited?
Speaker 4: I don't think it's daunting. I think it's yeah, it's exciting.
Speaker 5: I think yeah. I mean we're always playing cricket. This
Speaker 5: is just a little bit of a next level the individual.
Speaker 5: I mean, the batterers might play every game, but I
Speaker 5: think from an individual point of view as a bowler,
Speaker 5: then you're probably still going to play a similar amount
Speaker 5: to previous years. I think there's opportunities to have a
Speaker 5: breather here and there probably more, say in white Pool
Speaker 5: than red Bull, but without sort of feel like you're
Speaker 5: missing too much because there's another series and other Test.
Speaker 4: Match, another big game around the corner.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's just a I feel like every four
Speaker 5: years that it sort of comes to this, a couple
Speaker 5: of big tournaments cut the big series in a row.
Speaker 4: So it's good fun.
Speaker 1: And I imagine knowing that you might have to sit
Speaker 1: out a test or two here or there, even if
Speaker 1: you are sort of fit. Is that easy to take
Speaker 1: now that the whole bowling group are in their thirties
Speaker 1: a bit more experienced rather than fresh into the scene and.
Speaker 3: You just want to go hammer and tong sit every match.
Speaker 1: Or not?
Speaker 5: Really, I don't know, really, I haven't been in that
Speaker 5: position in a while, so you've probably have to ask
Speaker 5: a few the other guys. But I mean, if you
Speaker 5: fit and there's the test, MAT's there for the plan
Speaker 5: to play, it's it is tough to sit out even
Speaker 5: when you are you know, you never one hundred percent fit,
Speaker 5: but if you if you enough to play, it's still
Speaker 5: tough to sort of have those conversations. Actually, I've did
Speaker 5: it once in Ashes in twenty three. Actually I missed
Speaker 5: the middle Test, so I felt pretty good, but that
Speaker 5: was the plan leading in. So again I was coming
Speaker 5: off not much cricket. I'm going to play the first
Speaker 5: two in the last two. So yeah, Ronnie came to
Speaker 5: me and he didn't really ask me, he just told me.
Speaker 5: So I think that was the best way to go
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is a good tick in your book,
Speaker 1: but I think they lost that one, didn't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, maybe.
Speaker 1: Are there any of those tours that particularly stand out
Speaker 1: for you that you're really looking forward to or is
Speaker 1: it all just test? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Look, to be honest to that, looked at too far ahead.
Speaker 5: I might have said this before, but I literally look
Speaker 5: at tomorrow when I've gone tomorrow, you know, is it
Speaker 5: is the training days, at the game days, at the
Speaker 5: rest days, at travel days, whatever it is done, look
Speaker 5: too far ahead, trying look to the next match.
Speaker 4: And that's as far as I look.
Speaker 5: So I'll just probably keep doing that as we go
Speaker 5: down the path for the next eighteen months.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's plenty that it's exciting and we'll get there.
Speaker 4: We'll get there eventually.
Speaker 3: Well, first one up is Bangladeshi in Darwin.
Speaker 1: What are we expecting there? You played the T twenties,
Speaker 1: I think you're darn last year. But for a Test
Speaker 1: match and for this opponent who straight don't play a lot,
Speaker 1: what are we sort of expecting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess there's a lot of unknowns. You're going
Speaker 5: You've got the ground that's probably an unknown, the wicket
Speaker 5: in particular, the opposition in these conditions.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of un knowns. But I think
Speaker 4: it's exciting.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it might be you know, there's definitely
Speaker 5: footage and we can find some trends against these batters,
Speaker 5: but it might be a case of summing it up
Speaker 5: out there and coming up with plans on the run
Speaker 5: as well, which is which is always refreshing. I reckon, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: the wick it will be the same. It'll be summing
Speaker 5: it up in the first half hour, first hour, how
Speaker 5: is it going to play?
Speaker 4: What's happening.
Speaker 5: So it's very much adapting and the challenges come as
Speaker 5: the days flow on, and you someone.
Speaker 1: Who likes to make the plans yourself and suss it out,
Speaker 1: like are you in the team room with all the
Speaker 1: statisticians and analysts going through what the gap might be?
Speaker 3: You somebody likes to get into the weeds and that stuff.
Speaker 5: I think the longer the game goes in terms of formats,
Speaker 5: the less I do. Okay, I think yeah, T twenty
Speaker 5: definitely do the most. Yeah, and it filters down from there.
Speaker 5: So before a T twenty game, we'll look at all
Speaker 5: the batters, I think, because every ball really matters if
Speaker 5: it counts. So if you're a touch off or you're
Speaker 5: not on the right ball to the right batter, to
Speaker 5: the right field, then it's it's six or it's one.
Speaker 5: So it's a it's a big difference. Yeah, whereas I
Speaker 5: feel Test cricket, you know, it's it's a pretty simple plan.
Speaker 4: It's just execution, and it's execution for a long period
Speaker 4: of time.
Speaker 5: So things might change a little bit out there as
Speaker 5: the day goes on or the game goes on, but
Speaker 5: in general, it's a pretty simple game plan a lot
Speaker 5: of the time. So and I guess you have time
Speaker 5: to adapt out there. You might bowl, you might.
Speaker 4: Be halfway through your first spell and oh let's try this,
Speaker 4: let's try that in T twenty.
Speaker 5: That really have that time every boards cruiser, you've got
Speaker 5: twenty four sids. Yeah, you've got to be ahead of
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, one of the big four bowlers we talk about,
Speaker 1: come and start line and Hazelwood your first Test together
Speaker 1: was back in the.
Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen eighteen Ashes series.
Speaker 1: So coming up to a decade, it was basically Australia's
Speaker 1: first choice bowling group. How do you sort of reflect
Speaker 1: on that, Like, it's quite remarkable that you're all still
Speaker 1: going strong and looking good.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, It's time goes pretty quick sometimes.
Speaker 3: Does it feel like it's been almost ten years?
Speaker 5: It probably does. Yeah, Yeah, it depends what day you
Speaker 5: get us. We bother a lot yesterday, so yes, it
Speaker 5: probably does feel like ten years. Yeah, it's good to
Speaker 5: be one of the younger ones of that for actually,
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean we've played so much cricking together.
Speaker 5: It's been a good ride so far and hopefull there's
Speaker 5: a there's a few more tests to go yet, but yeah,
Speaker 5: we've done a lot in the game, I think, and
Speaker 5: it's usually as a group, so it's been good fun.
Speaker 5: And we bounce off each other pretty well on and
Speaker 5: off the field, and I think we're almost each other's
Speaker 5: coaches best coaches a lot of the time with different things,
Speaker 5: whether it's rhythm and run up or how he jumps looking,
Speaker 5: or ball speed or whatever it is. We could pick
Speaker 5: that up through each other a lot of the time.
Speaker 4: That's handy.
Speaker 3: Who do you reckon?
Speaker 1: Will be the last man standing out of those four,
Speaker 1: who would be your guess?
Speaker 5: Iren Gazza, I just say it's Spinner, I think in
Speaker 5: AGSI yeah, probably part Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay makes sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you couldn't better get couldn't bet against game?
Speaker 1: Could you know? That's right now? October and November was
Speaker 1: sort of your last yield match before that injury took
Speaker 1: you out of the Ashes. Can you talk us about
Speaker 1: what those few months were like after you're doing a
Speaker 1: lot of rehab, I assume a lot of rest.
Speaker 3: What does it sort of look like? Are you watching
Speaker 3: the Ashes on TV?
Speaker 1: You're trying to stay engaged in the game, or you're
Speaker 1: just completely shutting it out.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't watch much at all, to be honest.
Speaker 4: I might have watched a little bit on two of Melbourne.
Speaker 4: I might have watched a little bit happening, a little
Speaker 4: bit happened, but yeah.
Speaker 5: Literally, other than that, I wouldn't have watched ten minutes
Speaker 5: in a row, if that makes sense, right, catch the
Speaker 5: ball here and there on different screens around whatever you're doing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I never really sat down and watched it.
Speaker 5: I don't really watch any game of cricket, to be honest,
Speaker 5: Like it's yeah, yeah, I watch other sports on TV.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you're just doing your rehab. You're ticking off.
Speaker 5: You got all these milestones, I guess you could call
Speaker 5: them along the way, and whenever tenant is involved. It's
Speaker 5: quite a lengthy process. So it's sort of you know,
Speaker 5: two steps forward, one step back all the time, and
Speaker 5: you just keep pushing until you find what it can
Speaker 5: handle and what it can deal with. And you're just
Speaker 5: doing that for until you keep going and keep going
Speaker 5: to you're taking off. You know, you're bowling. So there's
Speaker 5: a few steps to go through to get to that point.
Speaker 5: Obviously is a quick but yeah, it can be lengthy,
Speaker 5: can be I guess, lonely, a lonely spot sometimes. You know,
Speaker 5: there's always there's always someone in a worse.
Speaker 4: Off position than what you are. I think, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: one thing I've learned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you done an achilles before or was this
Speaker 1: your first time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had ten and nice to the left one.
Speaker 5: This was I think the tender next to the achilles
Speaker 5: on the right, so sort of disturbed by a bit
Speaker 5: of stuff at the front of the ankle. So yeah,
Speaker 5: one thing leads to another, as they always say in
Speaker 5: the body so that's usually the case.
Speaker 1: And how else do you spend this free time If
Speaker 1: you're not training, you're not playing, you're not rehabbing.
Speaker 3: How us does Josh Hazel would spend this spare time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably helping.
Speaker 5: The wife out with looking after the family, young kids alike.
Speaker 5: So still in that most of the time. I love
Speaker 5: playing golf when I can, So.
Speaker 4: That's the trick, trying to do an injury that gets
Speaker 4: you out of cricket but not out of golf. That's
Speaker 4: the that's the challenge.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I love playing my golf and that takes
Speaker 5: up forever of time.
Speaker 3: How's the handicap looking at.
Speaker 5: Them, it's probably on the way out probably, yeah, through
Speaker 5: I don't know why. I just not hit it very well,
Speaker 5: to be honest, But yeah, a lot of us off
Speaker 5: the similar handicaps. So it's good fun to get together
Speaker 5: and having a hit so we don't take it too seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some nice cots in South Africa coming up
Speaker 1: as too, I imagine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, We've been lucky over the years, to be honest,
Speaker 5: everywhere we play cricket to get on some nice ones
Speaker 5: and been looked after by the locals very well.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: England, Scotland, South Africa, New Zealand. So it's it's really nice.
Speaker 5: So we'll get away from cricket as a group and
Speaker 5: do something together other than cricket.
Speaker 4: So it's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I spent the spare time because you don't
Speaker 1: have Instagram, or at least you don't have a public Instagram.
Speaker 3: Have you ever considered it?
Speaker 1: Because a lot of your teammates are getting good brand
Speaker 1: deals and those sorts of things, is it ever come on.
Speaker 3: To your radar?
Speaker 4: No, it's never good to me.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm probably missing out on a few free stuff
Speaker 5: here and there, but no, not worth a hash.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got a little little quiz for you.
Speaker 1: I've gone through some of your teammates on Instagram pages
Speaker 1: and they've all done the brand deal here or there.
Speaker 1: I just want you to scroll through these and just.
Speaker 3: See if you can guess who it is.
Speaker 1: So the first one here, we've got his liar's spirit company.
Speaker 1: They're donating one dollar from every cocktail to drive cocktail.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's like by it's carry so that rules here out.
Speaker 5: What does that look like? Wedding ring on the left.
Speaker 5: We're nice watch cocktails. I want to say cocktails Australian
Speaker 5: coge that obviously I want to say he's starky, but
Speaker 5: he wouldn't do a cocktail.
Speaker 3: You just scroll, scroll up and you'll find out.
Speaker 4: Who it is. Jesus, how mean is he going to be.
Speaker 1: So pat Come on that one. It keeps scrolling and
Speaker 1: gets the number two teaming up with Blank to bring
Speaker 1: you lightning fast internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is starky. Yeah, correct, surprise.
Speaker 1: Number three trade to five winners, Stay calm under pressure
Speaker 1: is their slogan. He's got the Hawaiian shirt on the mindset,
Speaker 1: sitting with legs crossed, and there's actually cricket ball balance
Speaker 1: on his head. If that has all right?
Speaker 4: This is like I reckon, this is Travis Head.
Speaker 3: Correct, that's a good get.
Speaker 4: Easy.
Speaker 3: Number four inner light sauna.
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 3: Every athlete knows training is only half the equation.
Speaker 4: Well it's not like by Nathan Line, because I reckon
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: Why do you think it's Nathan Linon by the rig.
Speaker 1: And then number five Rado watches Ash Barty and Blank
Speaker 1: doing this one as a joint little collaboration.
Speaker 3: Nicely dressed in a black shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't see what shoes they are by the
Speaker 4: left hand.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: With Ashbari, it's going to be a big dog. It's
Speaker 4: got to be Paddy again.
Speaker 3: You reckon Patty again.
Speaker 4: It's Cameron Green, Karen Green.
Speaker 1: So he's gone for the luxury watches there lovely.
Speaker 3: So I think he got a couple three out of five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then I just want to finish, Josh.
Speaker 1: We're doing in new thing this year called First the
Speaker 1: Unplayable Podcast. We just want to get you to recall
Speaker 1: your first Test, your first wicket, and then any other
Speaker 1: First the first Test match.
Speaker 5: You remember that first Test match? Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 5: It was here in Brisbane Gabba twenty fourteen November.
Speaker 3: Maybe when did you get the call morning off or David?
Speaker 5: The first Test was in Adelaide that year, so it
Speaker 5: was the second Test of the series.
Speaker 4: It was Siel, Johnson and Harris. I reckon in Adelaide.
Speaker 5: It was the first Test after hughs had passed and
Speaker 5: then we came up here.
Speaker 4: I reckon.
Speaker 5: I knew Rod Mash gave me the heads up pretty early.
Speaker 5: I reckon like three or four days out. I was
Speaker 5: taking maybe sid spot. They bow quite a bit in
Speaker 5: Adelaide as well. It was quite flat, so Yeah, came
Speaker 5: up here and debuted up here and first wicket was
Speaker 5: first wicket was not out Pujara. It's always good to
Speaker 5: see the back of him. Yeah, it was like a
Speaker 5: short ball. He went to sort of spending off and
Speaker 5: I think went over his glove, Nickti's helmet, and it
Speaker 5: was sort of funny because I argued before the series
Speaker 5: that they didn't want to use drus.
Speaker 4: And that was almost the first wick of the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nickti's helmet caught behind and Gunnacle just straight out.
Speaker 4: So that was a nice start. Pretty good. Yeah, first
Speaker 4: it was a few years before. Oh yeah, that was
Speaker 4: a long time ago, two thousand and ten.
Speaker 5: I think in England's Southampton Okay, Yeah, I was sort
Speaker 5: of pretty surprised to be on the tour at all.
Speaker 5: We went to Ireland first just for the one game,
Speaker 5: didn't play, came back to England's first game was in
Speaker 5: against in Southampton, and I think I got one for
Speaker 5: forty odd maybe seven or eight overs, got Craig Keys within,
Speaker 5: so it was nice to get a bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent. And then your first T twenty international.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good question, Brisbane.
Speaker 5: Maybe I think a few debuted in the same game.
Speaker 5: Maybe Benny Rura her self.
Speaker 4: There was one other I probably should have done my race,
Speaker 4: you thought not definitely?
Speaker 5: Any were on myself up here against West Indies. I
Speaker 5: think we're a gale out. That's my first week get
Speaker 5: yeah or no top edge to sort of mean on Colts,
Speaker 5: I think running back said good Field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely spot on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I swear there was three debut that game.
Speaker 1: General Josh Hazwood and Nathan Colton as well, So a
Speaker 1: couple of debuts combining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we I think we won that game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great, excellent. All right, Well thanks to your time
Speaker 3: in the summer ahead and.
Speaker 4: Plenty easy thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, so no social media for Josh Hazewood, but he's
Speaker 1: been focused on the bowling. Rich O, You've got an
Speaker 1: Instagram account. Have you done any brand deals across your
Speaker 1: time to make a little bit of extra coin on side?
Speaker 2: We're all obliged with our sponsors over the years. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: but I was in the last I deleted my account
Speaker 2: in the twenty nineteen World Cup because I was spending
Speaker 2: too much time on it. Oh okay, and I then
Speaker 2: did probably I've probably had two months off and then
Speaker 2: started the burner account, which I still use to this day.
Speaker 2: So yeah, every time they send it, I think I
Speaker 2: got one recently, so they must think I'm still playing.
Speaker 2: But I got one from New Balance saying this is
Speaker 2: the post this August, these are the new boots that
Speaker 2: we have to promote, and this is the hashtag. But
Speaker 2: I didn't do one. I got away with doing those
Speaker 2: for the last seven years, so apart from that, I
Speaker 2: didn't have many things coming into my inbox.
Speaker 1: So a New Balance still sending you the boots as.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope not, because I'll donate them. If anyone's
Speaker 2: around that's the size twelve or thirteen, you can have them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I always got out of that by saying
Speaker 2: I didn't have an Instagram or a Twitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah an next well done that, I guess as he's got.
Speaker 2: He's he's a smart operator, although he's probably missing out
Speaker 2: on some endorsement dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2: Lot easier just not having to do those cringy kind
Speaker 2: of I mean, some people enjoy it, don't. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think he's he's sticking a brand there and he's
Speaker 2: just going back to his going back to Teamworth and
Speaker 2: probably jumping on a moor and chucking the line in
Speaker 2: and just chilling out and I reckon.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like the player has had a little
Speaker 1: bit of input with maybe the wording. But you can
Speaker 1: see posts where the brand's just gone. You're going to
Speaker 1: copy and paste this.
Speaker 2: This is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You cannot change it. So that makes it tough.
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, and again I just think it's not
Speaker 2: his strength. So he's he's been really smart with that.
Speaker 2: So who do you think is most I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: Pat Cummins is, Yeah, he's the one. He's on the
Speaker 2: TV all the time. That's probably a different stratosphere, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Marnus is up there, I know, eating my weep Bix
Speaker 2: the other day. He's always kid. He's a weep Bix kid.
Speaker 2: Alex carries Alex Carey's flying under the raidar. He will
Speaker 2: promote anything. So if you're out there looking for an
Speaker 2: Australian cricket to promote something, Alex carries you, man, he wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he knows how to say no to something.
Speaker 1: Well, he's too nice.
Speaker 2: Probably he is nice, but I just think he's that
Speaker 2: way incline now, it's he's just got to keep the posts.
Speaker 2: It's almost like he needs to.
Speaker 1: And Travis Head is very marketable, as we saw in
Speaker 1: that little quiz with Josh Haswood. He had the ball
Speaker 1: on his head and he was in a Hawaiian shirt
Speaker 1: promoting some sort of trading platform.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure I think you should have to
Speaker 2: spell the name of the company that you're promoting in
Speaker 2: order to do it. So maybe he he would struggle there.
Speaker 2: But remember last last summer you were with the Boonie
Speaker 2: beefy Vb's and we've kind of thought, you know, Traviy
Speaker 2: Head's kind of he's kind of that this new generation
Speaker 2: David Boone, isn't he the way he's off field persona
Speaker 2: and the way we kind of look at him as
Speaker 2: that guy you'd love to have a beer with at
Speaker 2: the pub. So you know, there's money to be made there. Maybe,
Speaker 2: so Bb for listening. There you go.
Speaker 1: Now, English cricket has been rocked by cheating scandal over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Rich, I know this is
Speaker 1: you know, a fortnight or so ago, but I do
Speaker 1: want to touch on it. Given this is our first
Speaker 1: show back for.
Speaker 2: The still relevant, It's still making news.
Speaker 1: Brian Divine from Saltburn in North Yorkshire. Now anything goes
Speaker 1: up that far in the UK. Clearly he's been clicking
Speaker 1: his fingers at first slip. The keeper's been getting records,
Speaker 1: amount of record amounts of catchers and one of his
Speaker 1: opponents just posted it on Twitter. I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: he expected the reaction to be, but I'm sure it
Speaker 1: wasn't this big. He's totally blown up. Brian's been stood
Speaker 1: down by his club. Not sure if there's been any
Speaker 1: further sanctions. But what's his name? Sorry, Brian Divine Clique? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts? Like have you seen anything
Speaker 1: like this before?
Speaker 2: You know, when you played backyard cricket, you kind of
Speaker 2: manufactured like you pretend to nick well you do it with.
Speaker 1: Your Yeah, maybe use tongue or your.
Speaker 2: Tongue I've never heard of because it's it doesn't sound like.
Speaker 1: It's a different sound, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's not really similar. It depends. Maybe he's got real
Speaker 2: leathery fingery, like skinning on his hands. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just born to cheat in this way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we should, Maybe we should, Maybe he needs to
Speaker 2: be studied, maybe that he needs to come out I
Speaker 2: think he needs to come out and do a tell
Speaker 2: all interviewing.
Speaker 1: Does it's going to be big?
Speaker 2: Maybe we can get him on the showers answering. Maybe
Speaker 2: he should lay low for a little bit more, wait
Speaker 2: till this blows over. But the umpiring as well needs
Speaker 2: to be called into question here because again.
Speaker 1: But are these games I don't I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: level of saltburn play in. But is the umpire like
Speaker 1: just one of the opposition batters who's yet too bad?
Speaker 2: Well, from the footage I saw they look pretty legit.
Speaker 2: But again I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to drag the umpires into this. But
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I think that I think. I think
Speaker 2: they're a lot older than they are younger. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: if there's any kind of noise near the bad I
Speaker 2: think there's any appeal, if there's a convincing we were
Speaker 2: talking about this before. I think the wiki keeper is
Speaker 2: just as guilty here if he knows this is all
Speaker 2: pre planned. Yeah, he's taken the credit. He's breaking records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the stats are he's averaging over three catches
Speaker 1: per game with Divine in the team, and at first
Speaker 1: slip less than one catch a game when he's nine
Speaker 1: in the team with a personal best of eight in
Speaker 1: a single innings, which is better than the test world record.
Speaker 2: So that's ridiculous. He's guilt by association. You're taking the credit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know full well you're basically you're just as guilty.
Speaker 1: So and I love that there was that initial post
Speaker 1: that went out which sort of had it from down
Speaker 1: the length of the pitch, but since there have been
Speaker 1: other videos with other games with different angles and the
Speaker 1: fingers still there. It's clicking on.
Speaker 2: He was at short cover at one point and there's
Speaker 2: obviously it's slip, so it's it's premeditated. I just think
Speaker 2: at the end of the day' playing club career, some
Speaker 2: of these guys wait all week. They work all week,
Speaker 2: nine to five, you know, hate their job at the
Speaker 2: Like Saturday after I'm next in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing against Saltburn. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's a flat one there, like I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to a fast outfield. This is, you know, summer. We've
Speaker 2: been waiting all winter for this and you playing miss
Speaker 2: at one, which we will do an old clickie and
Speaker 2: you're out and you've waited all week, and you might
Speaker 2: not bad again for another two weeks. It's evil, It
Speaker 2: is evil. Wow, you get well, Yeah, anytime we've all
Speaker 2: been there where we faker pilf one's kind of gone
Speaker 2: down leg and it hits the pad and you know
Speaker 2: it has but you just ask the question because nothing
Speaker 2: else is happening, but to premeditate and click. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of wrongdoing in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Club crickets were built on, especially at that level. We're
Speaker 2: not We're not. It's not sheep stations now.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: We care about our clubs. And he's probably played for
Speaker 2: Saltburn for his whole life and has been around the
Speaker 2: club forever. But come on, let's do it the right way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's not a young guy.
Speaker 2: He's probably doing it to poor eight and you're sixteen
Speaker 2: year old kids, you know, just ruining their dreams on
Speaker 2: the weekend. So yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 1: You've played it a little bit through the UK through
Speaker 1: your career. Often some strange stories that come out of
Speaker 1: the county circuit anything not quite at this level, but
Speaker 1: any sort of strange stories that you experienced in your time.
Speaker 2: Nah, I've never played Club Cree. I've only ever played
Speaker 2: County Cree. In one hundred, So it's probably not yeah,
Speaker 2: at that level, but I'm sure in Australian club. I'm
Speaker 2: playing club career in Australia as well. Again, people like
Speaker 2: that prepares you for international cricket. But how people treat
Speaker 2: club cree on the weekend. Oh yeah, And as a
Speaker 2: kid it would open my eyes to how how serious
Speaker 2: we treat like competition. Yeah, white line fever, Whi line fever.
Speaker 2: It was like I always struggle with it was like,
Speaker 2: come on mate, you're forty two. Like kids are watching,
Speaker 2: They're like twenty meters away, they're listening to every word
Speaker 2: you're saying. Where you're talking to the umpire, you know
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Yeah, so this is yeah, we've
Speaker 2: got to learn a little bit out of this. No,
Speaker 2: I love competition. I was competitive as well, but I
Speaker 2: had my moments, definitely had I've done some stuff I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have, you know, shouldn't have said.
Speaker 1: Got the tape of those, Well you could probably call.
Speaker 2: Up there's dot comm articles about it. But this is different.
Speaker 2: This is yeah, blatant, it's cheap.
Speaker 1: But you're not saying it's a UK thing. You're saying
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that that's that's that's that's unique. Okay,
Speaker 2: but there's definitely people out there that that will appeal
Speaker 2: when they're not it's not out because it's up to
Speaker 2: the umpire to make the decision and in that at
Speaker 2: that level, there's no no, that's right, so they just
Speaker 2: you got to live with it.
Speaker 1: Well, we want to hear your story, so do send
Speaker 1: them into podcasts, Crickets dot Com, tod are you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be some classes.
Speaker 2: And it's always the lower in the grades as well.
Speaker 2: It's like first grade. It's almost like a level of
Speaker 2: professionalism that comes to that. But as you go down
Speaker 2: into the fourth fifth, the dold rooms.
Speaker 1: I think Brian was in the twos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I thought it'd be lower than that. He
Speaker 2: probably will be from now on. I'm not sure anyone
Speaker 2: will want to play with her. Well, might have to.
Speaker 2: Maybe he has to move out here to Australia. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there will be a few clubs.
Speaker 1: That will be a draw cards.
Speaker 2: He's worth the recruitment. I'm sure there's a few wiki
Speaker 2: keepers that will get on the phone to him and recruiting.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no.
Speaker 1: Good staying in England. Brenda McCullum and Ben Stokes have
Speaker 1: both finished up in their respective posts since we last chatted.
Speaker 1: They've been replaced by Stephen Fleming, who's been in charge
Speaker 1: of CSK and THERPL for the best part of ten years.
Speaker 2: I'd say Melbourne Stars Stars.
Speaker 1: Early days yeah yeah, yep, and Captain New Zealand for
Speaker 1: a long time as well. Joe Root reinstated as captain.
Speaker 1: He's lasting. This Captain didn't end well, so they've gone
Speaker 1: back to him, I guess because he's the devil they
Speaker 1: know in that regard. But have you dealt with Stephen
Speaker 1: Fleming at all of you cross parts with him a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: I've never played in a team that he was coaching,
Speaker 2: obviously cross paths through IPLs and big bashes and no
Speaker 2: guys that were under him for quite a while. That
Speaker 2: speaks very highly of him as not just a coach.
Speaker 2: I think that his success at Shani and to hold
Speaker 2: a job in the IPL for one franchise speaks for itself.
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty cutthroat industry over there, so that speaks
Speaker 2: for itself. But the person very well rounded and good perspective.
Speaker 2: I think one of those kind of new age coaches
Speaker 2: that they're not going to raise their voice when you
Speaker 2: have a bad performance. I think he's keeps it all
Speaker 2: in perspective and has really good relationships with his player,
Speaker 2: So I think it's from the outside looking pretty good,
Speaker 2: good astute selection.
Speaker 1: They've gone for Joe Rut over Harry Brook for example,
Speaker 1: good call, safe call.
Speaker 2: Solid, isn't it. I think when you look at the
Speaker 2: candidates again, if you're you're getting someone like Stephen Fleming,
Speaker 2: who is I would use that word to describe them
Speaker 2: pretty rock solid in terms of how they go about
Speaker 2: their day to day. It makes sense to get someone
Speaker 2: like Joe Rut Again when we talk about our greats
Speaker 2: of Australian cricket, what have they got to achieve? What's
Speaker 2: Joe's what's left for Joe to achieve? Maybe there's something
Speaker 2: in terms of how he wants to finish with the
Speaker 2: armband with them on. So yeah, I think it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well the next Ashes series isn't far away,
Speaker 1: so things are going to happen pretty quickly for them.
Speaker 1: Stephen Flemy doesn't actually take the reins until later this year,
Speaker 1: so they won't have too long under their new coach.
Speaker 1: But often I mean It was certainly the case with
Speaker 1: the McCullum the first year and the first I guess
Speaker 1: bit of a honeymoon period, isn't it. That's the best
Speaker 1: time when a coach comes in. We've seen it in
Speaker 1: other sports as well. So maybe they've done that well
Speaker 1: and they've just timed that well. But we'll have to
Speaker 1: wait and see a bit of water to go under
Speaker 1: that bridge. So garfled Sober's passed away aged eighty nine
Speaker 1: in Barbados a few weeks ago, a big loss for
Speaker 1: the cricketing community. According to many, the greatest or rounder
Speaker 1: to ever play, possibly the greatest cricketer based on what
Speaker 1: he could do. There's a wonderful statue of him at
Speaker 1: Kensington Ovle just out of the front of the ground.
Speaker 1: He's for forming a bit of a legside flick and
Speaker 1: it got me thinking, maybe is it time to rename
Speaker 1: that the although I think he's got a stand, so
Speaker 1: could you have a stand in the stadium?
Speaker 2: I mean, well you can, you can rename the stand
Speaker 2: go stadium. We've talked about this, we have. I think
Speaker 2: he's deserved it.
Speaker 1: Over eight thousand Test runs averaged a fifty seven point
Speaker 1: eight with the bat highest score of three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five not against Pakistan, which was the world record
Speaker 1: for many years. And then he just happened to take
Speaker 1: over two hundred wickets as well at an average of
Speaker 1: thirty four best of six or seventy three. So he
Speaker 1: could really do it all, couldn't he.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what he achieved everything again, didn't he for
Speaker 2: that time? Like six sixes in the over? He took
Speaker 2: over a thousand first class wickets, did he?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So no mug like he.
Speaker 1: Was medium pace, leg spear, enough spin.
Speaker 2: Everything, wasn't he. So South Australian cricketer as well. So
Speaker 2: that's right, part of the brotherhood there. But there were
Speaker 2: stories of him, like they used to be quite a
Speaker 2: big thing back in the day that would recruit you know,
Speaker 2: some there was greats of world cricket that would come
Speaker 2: play in the shield and he was I think at
Speaker 2: the time there's no bigger name in world cricket. So yeah,
Speaker 2: incredible stats. Would have been nice to see him translate
Speaker 2: into the modern game. You know, when you talk about
Speaker 2: those past grades that never got to play the shortest
Speaker 2: form of the game, you talk about someone who could
Speaker 2: do everything. I'm pretty sure you would have found a
Speaker 2: pretty good marketing T twenty cricket playing a good.
Speaker 1: Role, would have got a good price at the auction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have gone pretty well, wouldn't he. So
Speaker 2: a sad day in cricket, But yeah, what an amazing
Speaker 2: life and amazing Creek career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he will certainly be remembered and he was knighted
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, anytime you got the serve
Speaker 2: before the name, it's a pretty good reminder of your achievements.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while since we've had we had
Speaker 1: sir alist to cook with Jimmy Anderson. Well yeah we
Speaker 1: have had a few.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, but if you're from not from the UK.
Speaker 1: It's it's very rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarahan, both of them, isn't it. Yeah again it's
Speaker 2: very English. So yeah, anytime you're maybe that maybe that's
Speaker 2: Josh Hazelwood. But we were talking legacy, who's going to
Speaker 2: be the first Australian cricket to get Is there any
Speaker 2: Australian cricket or Sir don has it been any others?
Speaker 2: We'll leave that there you go, Josh, Sir Steve, you
Speaker 2: never know.
Speaker 1: Adam's amper maybe in the in the scheme in the
Speaker 1: scope for a knighthood, but he's also on the move
Speaker 1: New South Wales. He's he's still living in New South
Speaker 1: Walest but he's moved his allegiance to play for Queensland
Speaker 1: this season. If a slot opens up in the domestic
Speaker 1: season for him with his international commitments, it may or
Speaker 1: may not. I haven't looked ahead, but this was a
Speaker 1: bit of stranger on because he's sort of moved only
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks the squads had been set,
Speaker 1: but he's made the move north. He's following in your footsteps, Finish.
Speaker 2: Not sure that's a smart move, but I think for
Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't know the ins and outs when you
Speaker 2: creackt astray contracted, you can basically pick your state because
Speaker 2: you're paid by Crete Australian, not the date. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: so basically it's Jake Weather or same mechanism to return
Speaker 2: back to essay, So it's a for the state who
Speaker 2: are receiving the player, it's great. Yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're available for one game, that's a bonus. If you're
Speaker 2: available for none of it doesn't matter because we're not
Speaker 2: actually paying your cent. So he nominated the change and
Speaker 2: Creed Australia approve. And in terms of off field for him,
Speaker 2: he lives. It's a two hour drive to Brisbane, so
Speaker 2: it does make sense in that regard rather than flying
Speaker 2: to Sydney. And there's been a little bit going on
Speaker 2: remember in the past, you know, with selection with him
Speaker 2: and you know he's not at training that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So maybe he'll be at training a little bit more
Speaker 2: for Queensland. But I'm not sure how much you'll play,
Speaker 2: so yeah, probably won't matter.
Speaker 1: Last year we spoke about the Gold Coast Magic that
Speaker 1: gathered a lot of attention, a lot of ground swell.
Speaker 1: Maybe this strengthens that.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a Queensland and now, so there is some
Speaker 2: affiliation there. It would make his drive a lot shorter.
Speaker 1: He would have to be the inaugural captain if they were.
Speaker 2: I think he's doing the ground work already. He's the
Speaker 2: one putting the uniform together. He's more than captain. There's
Speaker 2: more strengths to his both than just captaincy. So yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe that's all part of this. Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: maybe this is part of the movie. He's thinking. If
Speaker 2: it goes to private ownership, maybe he's going to throw
Speaker 2: his hat in the rings and owner maybe something like that.
Speaker 1: So I didn't realize it was that.
Speaker 2: Well, neither did I throw that out there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you never know.
Speaker 1: One thing that we may or may not see in
Speaker 1: the Big Bash in this coming season. There's so much uncertainty.
Speaker 1: We may see team songs emerge from the dressing rooms,
Speaker 1: which we've seen a bit in one hundred this season.
Speaker 1: It has been a tough watch. The Sunrises leads started
Speaker 1: with their own version of Leeds United Football Clubs Marching
Speaker 1: on Together. Didn't really go down that well, did it.
Speaker 1: I think we've got a bit of a clip here
Speaker 1: that we can play.
Speaker 2: Interested to hear your thoughts, but I've been on the
Speaker 2: not on the record, but people who know me, I've
Speaker 2: never liked team songs in any sport.
Speaker 1: Why what's you just.
Speaker 2: Don't I just think they're manufacturing there. I just think
Speaker 2: they're awful. Okay, okay, I think like in all sports,
Speaker 2: not just cricket when we've done it, but I always
Speaker 2: think it's funny you win a game, the first thing
Speaker 2: you do is go ling arms with a bunch of
Speaker 2: sweaty men and sing a song that was made one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty years ago. Get that just my opinion,
Speaker 2: but I've always felt it's just so like manufactured. And
Speaker 2: the other thing with this one. Once you turn the
Speaker 2: camera on and film, it doesn't count if you're going
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: Because that's extra manufactured.
Speaker 2: It is, isn't it like you know the Australian, so
Speaker 2: the Australian underneath the Southern Cross that kind of thing
Speaker 2: with the test like a test win. I can stomach
Speaker 2: that because that's I think it's behind closed doors. They've
Speaker 2: never really broadcasted out there for maybe the Docco once,
Speaker 2: but that's in a sanctum managed whereas you know these
Speaker 2: other ones they're they're they're way to put out there.
Speaker 2: It's way too the players are so you know, they're
Speaker 2: so self conscious. They're not they don't want to be
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: They're apathetic, forced.
Speaker 4: Isn't it.
Speaker 2: So there's there's two parts of that. I'm not a
Speaker 2: fan at all anyway. But then once you turn a
Speaker 2: camera on and forced place to do it and they're
Speaker 2: reading off a piece of paper and looks you know,
Speaker 2: to hostage.
Speaker 1: And then well am I London? Then just a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago went they did a sort of a
Speaker 1: free from desire. They changed a few of the words,
Speaker 1: which included your franchise is terrified. Yes, better it was.
Speaker 2: It was definitely an improvement from the Leeds one.
Speaker 1: They seem to have a bit more well it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were.
Speaker 1: All the classic song.
Speaker 2: They still weren't. They still weren't fully immersed. It's still
Speaker 2: manuf factored. Again, just talk about the game debrief. Have
Speaker 2: a beer. It's franchise cricket, right, it's not that deep.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's shake hands, have a beer, have
Speaker 2: a shower. We'll probably got a game in a day.
Speaker 2: Let's go on the bus.
Speaker 1: Go huh yeah, I mean like sounds a bit like
Speaker 1: the Fun players. I mean, if you got guys.
Speaker 2: If you're all for dinner. But you look at the
Speaker 2: body language and those clips are those players. So they
Speaker 2: played for fifty six different franchises throughout the year.
Speaker 1: Come on, we see a bit in the County cricket
Speaker 1: where they all smash the bats into it.
Speaker 2: Again, it's a very uk thing that, especially smacking the
Speaker 2: locker and thecal And again you're going in as an
Speaker 2: overseas you're just you're doing it, but it's forced.
Speaker 1: So you have participated it. Well.
Speaker 2: When I played at camp, they had a team, so.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was, Come on, give us
Speaker 1: a few I.
Speaker 2: Just remember smacking a cricket bat into a rubbish bin
Speaker 2: or something. It's like barbary because what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: We played the gentlemen's game. So again it's to each
Speaker 2: their own and maybe that's county crickets a little bit
Speaker 2: more tradition, that's yeah. And I know the white ball
Speaker 2: team for Australia Zams, has tried to put one together.
Speaker 2: But we were singing freed from Desire. Yeah, when we
Speaker 2: won the World Cup, like that was our kind of
Speaker 2: team in But apart from that, I mean we survived.
Speaker 1: Just have the originals what you're saying, we're just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song like that was he sing Hey
Speaker 2: true Blue? Don't they be for a after a Test win?
Speaker 2: Or you know there's there's certain things again behind closed doors,
Speaker 2: go for it, but you don't need to broadcast to
Speaker 2: the world because it looks terrible.
Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, not a good look. The valuation of
Speaker 1: those hundred teams coming down exactly.
Speaker 2: Less is more when it comes to social media in
Speaker 2: that regard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, excellent no, I think that's fair. I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. Like I don't mind the song aspect of it,
Speaker 1: because yeah, we see it assie sports. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: know I've been part of some. I didn't play any
Speaker 1: sport at a high level, but sometimes after a great win,
Speaker 1: you really do want to get in there and belt
Speaker 1: out the song. Yeah, I've certainly been there. Okay, but
Speaker 1: you have to know the words. I think that's a
Speaker 1: key part of this. And you all have to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent committed. If you're not, it just looks
Speaker 1: a bit crap.
Speaker 2: So any getting anything to one hundred.
Speaker 1: Percents hard it is, Yeah, yeah, especially there's.
Speaker 2: One week link the chain breaks. So yeah, not a fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe not on the same page there, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: But hit us up as well and give us some feedback.
Speaker 2: I could be in the minority, but I've always thought that.
Speaker 1: I've always thought after every episode, we should do our
Speaker 1: own really podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, that's funny, I've actually had my we'll debrief.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll come back to that good suf Forrichow episode
Speaker 1: one in the bank this season time flies.
Speaker 2: You're on the road now, aren't you, So I'll be
Speaker 2: I'll take a little break.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well done, you've burnt it.
Speaker 2: Enjoy up North and all there is to offer. We'll
Speaker 2: see you in due course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll come back to you next week from Darwin,
Speaker 1: Luie Cameron and'll be back on deck. And yeah we've
Speaker 1: got Bow Webster as well on the podcast next week,
Speaker 1: so I want.
Speaker 2: To tune in, look for see then
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