1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Olivia Rodgers 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: exes continue to cause headaches and the Matilda Jurf toilet 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: scrubbing scandal. The first UK influencer, Saffron Barker, is continuing 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: to soft launch her new boyfriend. So you are across 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: all of this. I am heavily invested in this. I 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: actually started following her new boyfriend as soon as I 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: worked out who he is, because she has been doing 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: daily Christmas flogs, vlogmus and randomly this Scottish male voice 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: just started appearing in the background and she started referring 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: to him as babe. Is very clear that this guy 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: is basically living at her house. He's like this live 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: in boyfriend that we haven't been introduced. So I noticed 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: that something was amiss because the camera angle suddenly changed 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: because he was filming. I'm guessing he's quite tall. Well, 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: he is actually a model. That's what I've worked out 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: from my stalking, So he is very tall, He's fit, 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: he likes to take a lot of topless selfies, his 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: selfies and Instagram game is a bit cringe. Is that 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: what you're following? Well, he's not really my type because 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: he's traditionally fabulous looking like a very good looking guy, 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: but the way he posts almost makes him unattractive. Well 24 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the fact he's like early twenties as well. I looked 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: up on Google, like I googled who is that from 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: Barker's boyfriend, And when I clicked on his Instagram, I 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: was like, why the hell is Sophie following him? Because 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: he's only got what six thousand? Well, I did feel 29 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: like a bit of a creep because he only had 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: around three and four thousand when I first started following him, 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: and obviously he's gained more followers over time. To me, 32 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: I get the vibe that he's very keen to be 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: involved in the vlogs. He's become a permanent fixture, like 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of a main character, even though we've only seen 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: sort of the side of his face or him in 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: the background in a mirror, because he's hanging out with 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: her family a lot, which is also very weird. Because 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: I want to say, for those any new listeners, we 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: have been talking a lot about Saffron Barker's relationships this 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: year because at the start of the year, she had 41 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: a huge breakup with a guy called Lewis Rhys Zammitt, 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: who actually ended up getting a spot on the Chief's lineup, 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: well a rookie spot. Well, I mean he might not 44 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: even be on the list anymore. I haven't and he 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: dramatically cheated on her and all came out. So Saffron 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: has a relationship podcast, and she was very forthcoming with 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: saying that she's learnt her lesson. She's not going to 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: be sharing every single detail about her a new partner 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: if she gets one, So it's clear she's trying to 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: do a different tactic. She thinks, Okay, he's going to 51 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: be in all of my stuff, but I'm not going 52 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: to introduce him. I'm not going to show his face yet. 53 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: But that being said, it seems to be very serious 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: already because he's pretty much living with her. I don't 55 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: think a lot has changed, though she might be soft 56 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: launching him at the moment, but his voice is still 57 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: on there. It's still clear that she has a boyfriend 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: and they're quite serious. Plus, she is known for dating 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: people who live very far away from her, so her 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: most recent boyfriend, Lewis, he actually lived in Wales and 61 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: she was in Brighton in the UK, and then he 62 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: of course moved to the US. And now this guy 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: is from Scotland. So it seems like she has this 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: particular type. And I'm wondering if he's spewing that he's 65 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: not actually been able to be shown on the vlogs. 66 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: Surely he will soon though, because he's been posting instagrams 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: at her house while Saffron's away in New York. Well 68 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: he's house sitting. Yeah, so Saffron is away in New 69 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: York with her parents and he's looking after the house 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: and he is posting about this house almost as though 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: it's his own. He did a photo dump and has 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: showed him in the kitchen cooking up a meal. And 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: then he was in Saffron's gym. He took a photo 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: a gym selfie of course, with her car fully visible 75 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: in the backgrounds. That's a red flat. A lot of 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: people online are saying that they hope he's not using 77 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: her house to lure other girls there and pretend that 78 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: it's his house. Puly not. I think that's he actually 79 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: seems quite nice from what I've seen in the vlogs. 80 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: But my only concern is this from what I've heard, 81 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: but it's a case of deja vou, isn't it? Because 82 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: this time last year that's when Saffron Hard launched her 83 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: relationship with Lewis, and she also shared a log of 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: them picking up her Christmas trip. I just hope that 85 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: we don't see her a eyeing her and the new 86 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend's future kids, her getting any tattoos of his initials. 87 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: I think she needs to play it a bit more 88 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: cool because I'm a big Saffron Barker fan. She is 89 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: one of my favorite influences that I follow after Molly 90 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: may So I just hope the best for her. She 91 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: always seems to be have no trouble getting boyfriends, but 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: it just seems to be maybe she picks the wrong guy. Well. 93 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I also think she must have met him on Raya 94 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: because that's where she met her last boyfriend. It's all 95 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: these bloody models and athletes on there. She just needs 96 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: to date someone that's normal. But I think that this 97 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: guy might actually work for her because he doesn't seem 98 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: to have much of a modeling career, like he doesn't 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: seem to be busy that's he that he's using her. Yeah, 100 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people are worried about. But 101 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: he please not can work in the sense that she 102 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: probably just wants someone to be around. I'm going to 103 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: put a prediction out here. She will hard launch him 104 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: on Christmas Day. There'll be a family photo with him 105 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: in it or a selfie of them to who are 106 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: these guys that are so willing to meet the family 107 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: so quickly and hang around with people's grandparents and nieces 108 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: and nephews. She is worth a lot of money. Well, 109 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: she's got a very glamorous family, very glamorous life. How 110 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: she's a lovely girl, beautiful guy. I mean some people 111 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: you know when you know you know? Excuse me? Can 112 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: you just can you hold my phone and film me 113 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: for a second? Please recording. Olivia Rodgers' ex boyfriend, Morgan 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: Waterhouse has taken a swipe at the former Miss Universe 115 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: contestant despite breaking up over a year ago. Kate, can 116 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: you tell us more? 117 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: So? 118 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: Morgan has jumped on this TikTok trend about your Christmas 119 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: wish list. So guys and girls are posting what they 120 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: want in a partner, and they're saying Santa, can you 121 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: please deliver this person? But he twisted it to seemingly 122 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: throw shade at Olivia Rogers. So in the video, Morgan 123 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: was casually sipping on a boost juice at the airport, 124 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: and on the screen it said, dear Santa, five foot five, honest, 125 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: obsessed with me, loves their family, doesn't cheat on me 126 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: every time they leave the state. Hasn't won a beauty pageant, 127 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: isn't a narcissist, doesn't gaslight me, loyal, loves puppies. Now 128 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: I do need to point out he made a grammatical 129 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: error with the word puppies, and a lot of people 130 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: were annoyed in the comments about it. Now he added 131 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: the caption at the bottom of the video, hope this 132 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: reaches the North Pole as expected. This video blew up 133 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: and at the time of recording it has over three 134 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand views and one eight hundred send on. 135 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: So I think that there were a lot of people, 136 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: or a lot of girls sending this on to their friends, 137 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: being like, I can't believe the shade he has thrown 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: at Olivia. It's interesting because there were two camps of 139 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: comments there well, one lot of women who seemed very 140 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: interested in Morgan. A lot of them were saying, oh, 141 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: would you accept a different height? What about five four eight? 142 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: And originally I thought, oh, wow, this is actually organically 143 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: blown up. But if you dig deeper, he's actually deleted 144 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the negative comments that people were posting 145 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: about how petty he was being. Yeah, because this video 146 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: probably would have got even more views had he left 147 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: some of those comments up. 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: Well. 149 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: I was pretty quick to discover this video, and I 150 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: saw not only people having a girl at him about it, 151 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: but I saw people agreeing with him and having a 152 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: bit of a laugh at Olivia's expense because he didn't 153 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: try and conceal who he was speaking about. I mean 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: the fact that he and his friends have immaturely come 155 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: out before and accused her of cheating. You know, that 156 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: line was fairly obvious about, oh, a girl that doesn't 157 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: cheat on me every time she leaves the state. But 158 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: then by backing it up by saying, you want a 159 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: girl who hasn't been in a beauty paget, Yeah, you 160 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: couldn't get more obvious. He may as well have said 161 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: I want the opposite of Olivia Rodgers. Josh Moss from 162 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Love Island even waded into this, and he wrote the 163 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: cheating every time she leaves the state. If you know, 164 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, that surprised me because I wouldn't think that 165 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: you would want to be seen siding with Morgan Waterhouse. 166 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: I quite like Josh Muss as well. That disappoints me. Yeah. Well, 167 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: another influencer that's also weighed into this drama is Olivia White. 168 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: So she said that she was inserting herself into something 169 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with her. I mean, isn't 170 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: that just TikTok in general? So basically her opinion was 171 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: that this timing was very of considering what's been going 172 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: down with Olivia Rogers's ex husband Justin mckin. Let's row 173 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: to some of what she said. I don't think this 174 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: is hitting how you want it to hit. 175 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: And if it is hitting with said people, they're not 176 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: the kind of people that you'd want around, do. 177 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 178 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? 179 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: Like, definitely not like. 180 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: The type of people that you know, allegedly still a 181 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: million dollars and have really serious drug problem, who you're 182 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: like best friends with, so you know you are the 183 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: company you keep. Just want to remind you that and 184 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: you know maybe work on this because it's been a 185 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: few years. It's been a few years, and clearly you're struggling, 186 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: perhaps with seeing someone move on be happy, not with you, 187 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: but you know, considering the company you've been keeping lately, 188 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: I think that says more about you than it does 189 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: about her. 190 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: Now, this clap back from Olivia White went off, and 191 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: she followed up with a second video sharing a photo 192 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: of Morgan and Justin together, and she accused him of 193 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: hitching his wagon on Olivia for his own personal gain 194 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: and said he wasn't a good judge of character considering 195 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: he befriended Justin. I thought that this was a bit 196 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: of an interesting comment to say that because Morgan befriended Justin, 197 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: it says a lot about his character. Now we know 198 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: allegedly what Justin's been up to and been into, but 199 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: by that theory, isn't she also suggesting that it says 200 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: a bit about Olivia's character because she was married to 201 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: the guy. She was very much defending Olivia Rodgers. But 202 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: I did draw that parallel because I was like, well, 203 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: unfortunately Olivia Rodgers is connected to both of these guys 204 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: that don't have good characters. But normally when it's a woman, 205 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: we pass it off as oh, they just a bad guy. 206 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: I suppose the difference is that Olivia has dumped both 207 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: of these guys. She has distanced herself, whereas Morgan, as 208 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: soon as he and Olivia broke up, he spitefully met 209 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: up the I mean, he just looked like a total knob, 210 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: do it. Do you find it a bit hypocritical though, 211 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: because if this was a woman who was scorned and 212 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: cheated on and she put up an Instagram post out 213 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: with this guy's ex'es and having a great time exchanging notes, 214 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: everyone be like, go girl. But because it's a boy, 215 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: everyone's like fucking petty as fuck. Yeah. But I think 216 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: now that we have an insight into what was going 217 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes of Olivia and Justin's marriage, and 218 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: she obviously would have shared that with Morgan, it just 219 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: makes him look even worse. And the fact that Olivia 220 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: and Morgan broke up so long ago, like maybe if 221 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: he had come out after their breakup and had done 222 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: an interview or something a bit classier than some sort 223 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: of TikTok immature well gibe at her, well, people would 224 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: have gone, oh, I feel sorry for Morgan. If he 225 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: had been cheated on, but he's only ever alluded to 226 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: it in really kind of icky way. I think it 227 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: was how he got his friends involved. To swagger off 228 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: in the comments section, well, you're actually talking about an 229 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: incident that happened this time last year, if you can 230 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: believe it, so nearly to the day. So basically we 231 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: all knew that OLIVERA and Morgan had broken up because 232 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: he'd got mia on her Instagram shortly after their trip 233 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: to Balley in August. And she finally addressed all these 234 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: breakup rumors in a Q and A in December, and 235 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: she wrote, I am single. My ex is a lovely person. 236 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes things just don't work out, and she went on 237 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: to say that she was planning to keep her future 238 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: relationships more private on social media because it's so tricky 239 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: to navigate a breakup, particularly when people are invested online. 240 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: And it's quite interesting because now that we know more 241 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: about the timeline, she started dating her new boyfriend Hugo 242 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: in December, so that's when she actually had to put 243 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: this information out that, yeah, me and Morgan have broken 244 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: up now. An hour after Olivia shared this Q and 245 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: A last December, Morgan responded with a cryptic quote that 246 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: said loyal behind my back. That's my type. So meanwhile, 247 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: influencer updates Au posted the news about the breakup to 248 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: her feed, and she ended up getting an even juicier 249 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: scoop in the process because Morgan's friends jumped in the 250 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: comments to defend him and basically slag off Olivia. So 251 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: one of them wrote that is because she wants to 252 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: keep her six sexual partners a secret while dating Morgan, 253 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: and then another one chimed in six, Haha, that's being nice, 254 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: that's so fou. It was disgusting, and it really seemed 255 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: like Morgan had instructed his friends to act like a 256 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: mouthpiece for him. And this is the issue. All of 257 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: these accusations being leveled at Olivia have been so slut shamy. 258 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: And the interesting thing is, if this was five to 259 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: ten years ago, everyone would have gone, oh my god 260 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: and turned on Olivia and shamed her. But we're now 261 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: living in twenty twenty four, we were like, this is 262 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: actually disgusting. You know, these allegations have no factual basis 263 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: at the moment. You know, you haven't even come out 264 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: with any receipts to back then. I'm sure if he 265 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: had the receipts, we'd be seeing them as well. I 266 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: think another reason why people aren't buying Morgan's story or 267 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: siding with him is because he's always come across as 268 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: a bit of a cloud chaser. I mean, he and 269 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Olivia got together pretty soon after her breakup with her 270 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: ex husband, and he always seemed to want to be 271 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: very front and center in her content. It seemed very opportunistic, 272 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: and it seemed like Morgan's video may have been in 273 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: response to a TikTok that a live via shared earlier 274 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: in the day, where it seemed like she took a 275 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: dig at the men that she's previously dated. So she 276 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: minded the song young Hearts Run Free, and in the caption, 277 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: she wrote, I always used to think this was an 278 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: upbeat love song, but recently really listened to the lyrics 279 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: and realized it's actually about self love with a warning 280 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: not to end up with someone who doesn't respect you. 281 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: She then added, Candy's been warning people not to settle 282 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy six. It's funny that he centered himself 283 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: in this and thought, oh, it's a dig at me, 284 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: because well, she was with Justin McKean for was it 285 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: like four years beforehand got married to the guy all 286 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: this news has broken about him recently. Yeah, but no, No, 287 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: it's about Morgan Waterhouse, who she was in a rebound 288 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: relationship with a couple of months. I thought it was 289 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: fairly obvious it was a dig at justin McCann and 290 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: not settling in a marriage that you were unhappy in. Well, 291 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: it more so seems like he's a bit upset and 292 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: jealous that Olivia's found love with this new guy who 293 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: seems really lovely? Now? Is this remind me of Sydney Sweeney? 294 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: Is this me? But he's got it? So as usual, 295 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers was very classy about this whole thing, so 296 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: she easily could have responded with her own dig at Morgan. However, 297 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: she just shared a TikTok video with some happy snaps 298 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: of her and a new boyfriend at the end of 299 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: year celebration, and she referred to him as her favorite human, 300 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: which I think was enough. It says a lot without 301 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: having to say much. The timing of this is pretty 302 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: terrible for Olivia because, as you touched on Kate, her 303 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: ex husband was accused of allegedly stealing almost half a 304 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: million dollars from his former employer to allegedly support a 305 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: very serious drug habit, and the alleged theft came after 306 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: his colleagues reported to their employer that Justin had been 307 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: sleeping in the work toilets for up to four hours 308 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: a day. It was reported in the press last week 309 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: that Justin was meant to appear at a directions hearing 310 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: in the Victorian Supreme Court. However, he was a no show, 311 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: so the court had to extend a freezing order on 312 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: his assets till April next year. So that means that 313 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: he has to live on a of eight hundred dollars 314 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: a week and that's for his ordinary living expenses and 315 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: can pay up to ten thousand on reasonable legal expenses. 316 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: It is becoming quite concerning because Justin hasn't made contact 317 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: with his lawyer since November eleven, when he was contacted 318 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: by lawyers acting for his former employer, so there are 319 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: fears that he is potentially missing at the moment. Yeah, well, 320 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: to not show up in court is a big deal 321 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and it's clear that these allegations have really rocked him. 322 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: He's deactivated his Instagram account and LinkedIn. I really hope 323 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: that his family are looking after him and he's okay, 324 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: because this is just awful watching this allt and I 325 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: think that this is why a lot of people are 326 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: rather outraged by Morgan's post, because the timing is just 327 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: very off. I mean, I understand that this is Olivia's 328 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: ex husband, but it's still going to be affecting her 329 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: on a certain level. There's already so much speculation and 330 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: attention on her for something that has nothing to do 331 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: with it. She doesn't need even more of it from 332 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: another ex pop. It just seems gross that he's piggybacking 333 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: off this horrible moment in both Justin and Olivia's lives 334 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: and trying to get attention from it. I also did 335 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: my Vegan Collagen and Simos makes and I needed to 336 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: get some work done before I headed to the office. 337 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: Jen said it girl. An entrepreneur Matilda Jef has been 338 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: accused of inflicting psychological terror on her employees at a 339 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: hugely popular lifestyle brand, jurf Avenue. Eleven former and current 340 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: employees made the startling claims on a Swedish documentary, accusing 341 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: Matilda of bullying, fat phobia and what's been touted as 342 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: the toilet scrubbing scandal. So before we get into it, 343 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: can you bring us up to speed with who Matilda 344 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: Jurf is. Yeah. Well, she is a twenty seven year 345 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: old Swedish influencer and she has over four point five 346 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: million followers across TikTok and Instagram. She's known for her 347 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: signature bouncy blonde hair and having this really scandy, cool 348 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: girl aesthetic. I feel like she's single handedly created hype 349 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: around the dice and air rap as well. And she 350 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: started gaining traction from documenting her travels with her boyfrid 351 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: Friend and people really loved the aspirational nature of her 352 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: posts and she quickly began making money through brand deals 353 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: and also modeling. It's interesting now some of these claims 354 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: have come to light to know that as a teenager, 355 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: Matilda actually suffered from anarexia and orthorexia, which led her 356 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: to become an advocate for mental health and body positivity. 357 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: Now she has developed a very squeaky clean image. She's 358 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: built this personal brand around being kind and she even 359 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: earned herself the title of the Internet's Sweetheart. Today, she 360 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: is known as being one of the most influential people 361 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: not only in Sweden but the world, and in twenty nineteen, 362 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Matilda really took her career to the next level, so 363 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: she founded lifestyle and fashion brand Jeff Avenue alongside her boyfriend, 364 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: and this brand quickly resonated with a large global audience. 365 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: So young girls fell in love with the clothing staples 366 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: she had, hair products, homewhors Sophia. I feel like this 367 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: is the sort of stuff that you would be purchased. Yeah. 368 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you've got to be living under 369 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: a rock not to have seen the Jeff Avenue dressing gown. 370 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: It's their signature dressing gown which has fruit all over it. 371 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: I think literally every TikToker or everyday person who creates 372 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: to get Ready with Me video is wearing this dressing gown. Yeah. 373 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: I really wanted one when I was pregnant because every 374 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: mummy TikToker was wearing it, and I was like, oh, 375 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: maybe I'll look into that. It's a couple of hundred bucks. Yeah, 376 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: when I dressing. When I looked up the price, I 377 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: think it's actually close to four hundred dollars. Is absolutely crazy. 378 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get vomped on it. Yeah. Well, this 379 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: brand really took off during COVID and since then Jeff 380 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: Avenue has had pop up stores in major cities like Stockholm, London, 381 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: and New York. It's also collaborated with Fellow Girls. So 382 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber and Sofia Richie have done collaborations with the brand. 383 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: And it's so crazy because in such a short amount 384 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: of time, Jeff Avenue has already reached thirty five million 385 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: dollars in revenue, so it is enormous this brand. It's 386 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: interesting because most people actually predicted that Matilda would have 387 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: some sort of fall from grace because normally once you 388 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: build up, people drag you down tall poppy syndrome, well, 389 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: particularly if you have a squeaky clean image. Yeah, and 390 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: I thought that last year was that for her because 391 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: she was involved in this dupe scandal. So the Jurf 392 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: team noticed that smaller influencers were sharing dupes of their 393 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: products and started reporting their videos on TikTok and at 394 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: the time, the company shared a statement saying that intellectual 395 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: property lawyers were flagging content that they believed infringe their copyright. Now, 396 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot of fans called Matilda out because they thought 397 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: it was really hypocritical because she became so popular on 398 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: TikTok for actually posting dupes of luxury designer items, and 399 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: the backlash actually led to Matilda temporarily deactivating her account, 400 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: and at the time a lot of large female creators 401 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: came out to fiercely defend Matilda. They said that women 402 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: are always held to different standards in business and that 403 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: it was all part of tall poppy syndrome, and really 404 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: this scandal has been the only chink in Matilda's armor 405 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: until now this week, startling new claims made in a 406 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: sweet this documentary and also picked up by Sweden's largest newspaper, 407 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: have described Jeff Avenue's workplace as far from the polished 408 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: facade because something that has really resonated with Jeff avenues 409 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: gen Z audience was its commitment to inclusion and also sustainability. 410 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: So on Jeff Avenue's website, it describes as workplace as 411 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: a place of respect and inclusion and a place to 412 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: create a supportive and inspiring environment. This sounds very cynical, 413 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: but it's normally these type of places that have the 414 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: exact opposite of that environment that they put The journalist 415 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: Joanna Ekstrom has spoken to eleven format and current employees 416 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: in this documentary who describe Jeff Avenue as a toxic workplace. 417 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: They said that the company's outward image is nothing like 418 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: the reality of working there. In fact, it is the 419 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 1: complete opposite. Now, these employees appeared on camera, but they 420 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: remained anonymous with their faces concealed, and it quickly became 421 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: apparent how scared these women were of Matilda and also 422 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: the potential repercussions that may come their way. Now, the 423 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: majority of people working at Jeff Avenue are all young 424 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: girls who presumably thought they'd landed their dream job working 425 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: alongside this generation's it girl. I mean, when they probably 426 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: got the job. Can you imagine the messaging their friends 427 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: being like, I can't believe I get to work with her. 428 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: It seems like this is on the next level, though, 429 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: because someone has actually described it as everyday psychological terror 430 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: that was being carried out in this office, Like that 431 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: is next level. Yeah, It's clear that a lot of 432 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: these employees were terrified of Matilda because one described her 433 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: treatment as psychological violence. So the employee said that after 434 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: working at Jeff Avenue she started to feel like she 435 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: was losing herself and her mind. She described it as 436 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: being in a destructive relationship. One other employee also said 437 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: that she has never been so scared of a person 438 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: in her whole life, alleging that Matilda would yell at 439 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: employees in front of the whole office and she was 440 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: scared every day that she would get a scolding, whilst 441 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: as another said, I was scared of Matilda. I didn't 442 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: like it when she was in the room. She was condescending. 443 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: She could be disgusted by the fact that you took 444 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: public transportation. There was this general vibe from the employees 445 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: that Matilda thought that she was better than all of 446 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: her staff, and they even said that she wouldn't say 447 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: hello to a lot of them. Yeah. Another claim she 448 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: would call them names and ask them if they were stupid. 449 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: She also alleged that anything and everything would set Matilda off, 450 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: saying she could yell at someone if there was no coffee, 451 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: She could yell at someone if you were sitting in 452 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: the wrong seat. She could yell at someone if her 453 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: food hadn't been heated up, if there was anywhere that 454 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: wasn't clean. She would completely lose her temper. Is it 455 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: wrong that the whole time you were reading out these 456 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: terrible accusations that I was just thinking, Wow, I'm shocked 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: that she's so hands on in her business because a 458 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: lot of influences you probably wouldn't see them at all. 459 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: She's giving out the bollocking herself also. Yeah, but also 460 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot of influencers don't really operate in the day 461 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: to day of their businesses. I'm not sticking up for me? 462 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: Are you taking out off to it? And I think 463 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: that's embarrassing is that it's such a different view that 464 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: she put. That's what I'm trying to say. It's actually 465 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: to her detriment. And maybe that's why a lot of 466 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: influencers don't work in the operations of their business because 467 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: it's probably best not for their personal brain. I actually 468 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: heard Lucy and Nikki from The Wild Ones, and also 469 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson who owns one Mile, talking about how difficult 470 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: it is being influential and owning a brand, because they 471 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: said they're often worried what people are going to say 472 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: to their friends if they tell them off, or I 473 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: feel like Matilda didn't have any of these worries. I 474 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: know we're having a bit of a laugh about this, 475 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: but some of these accusations are very serious because a 476 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: lot of the workers spoke about having panic attacks after 477 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: encounters with Matilda, and one claimed they developed anxiety after 478 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: working with her. One employee also said that so many 479 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: people were completely broken after working with her, and claimed 480 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: that tears were a daily occurrence in the office. It 481 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: shows how arrogant she is to think that these kind 482 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: of allegations aren't going to get out there. I mean 483 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: to surely she would have some idea how rudely she 484 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: was speaking to the stuff, and to think that no 485 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: one was going to say anything, it shows how powerful 486 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: she thinks she is. I feel like for anyone who's 487 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: thinking maybe these weren't that serious, this really puts into 488 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: perspective because one employee said she realized she stopped eating, 489 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: and after she quit at Jeff Avenue, she was walking 490 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: along the street and she spotted Matilda and her boyfriend 491 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: and she ended up collapsing in her partner's arms, just 492 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: at the side of them and had a panic attack 493 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: on the street. That's absolutely awful. Amy to what you 494 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: said in terms of Matilda thinking that this wouldn't get 495 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: out I'm assuming that Swedish laws are pretty similar to 496 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: Australian in that you make employees sign a contract where 497 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: they won't actually discuss anything that goes on in the business, 498 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: so a lot of them probably were bound by some 499 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: sort of gag order. Well, it seemed like she was 500 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: also banking on the women being so terrified of her 501 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: and the repercussion. It's just even general chitchat on the street, Like, 502 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: even if you're bound by a confidentiality agreement, surely she 503 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: would have been concerned about idle gossip from PEP, especially 504 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: if they're all young women and they're the same demographic 505 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: of people who follow her. Yeah. Well, I wonder if 506 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: any disgruntled employees were involved in the last scandal dropping 507 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: around the dupe and maybe they helped get that out 508 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: into the public domain. Can we get into my favorite 509 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: claims which are being made, and that is around a 510 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: toilet scrubbing incident. So the workers made claims about favoritism 511 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: culture where employees were moved up and down in the hierarchy. 512 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: So they claimed if you couldn't work over time, you 513 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: would automatically fall lower in rank, but if you did 514 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: the right thing, you would fall into her favorites category. 515 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: And one of the most shocking claims was that Matilda 516 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: had her own private toilets so it was closed off 517 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: to only her and her favorite employees. So in the documentary, 518 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: they showed a photo that one of the employees had 519 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: secretly snapped off the toilet door, so it had had 520 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: this little hand written sign on it that said please 521 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: don't use with a little love hut. Now, one day, 522 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: allegedly that sign fell off and an employee used the 523 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: toilet by mistake. They didn't understand the rules, maybe they 524 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: were new, and when Matilda found out, she allegedly went 525 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: nuts and made another employee scrub the toilet before she 526 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: would use it again. Now, the employee said she doesn't 527 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: even want to use the same toilet as us, when 528 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: not people were not colleagues to her. Now, I have 529 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: to say, I think that she is taking this whole 530 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: clean girl aesthetic to a whole new level. Having a 531 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: separate toilet that your colleagues and team members are not 532 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: allowed to use. It's unpopular opinion. In no way do 533 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: I think that this is correct, But I would actually 534 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: have loved to have my own toilet at my work. Yeah, 535 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: but I'm sure if a colleague accidentally used it, you 536 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't scold them and then punish them by making the 537 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: scrubble clicks. Having worked sof and I worked in newsrooms. 538 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: It's not as if the newsreaders have their own personal toilets. 539 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: It's not as if they think that they're better than 540 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: everybody her office, like is it behind glassdoor or something. 541 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: My favorite part of this is that there's a note 542 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: with like a little patronizing love heard on her they 543 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: do use. Can you imagine all of her favorites, the 544 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: look they would give everyone else when they go up 545 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: to you to key in, because it wasn't a key, 546 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: it was just the sign. And I suppose also the 547 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: alleged terror that she was reeking over the office that 548 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: no one probably everyone had been too scared to set 549 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: foot in there. Do you think someone's reverse can't get 550 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: the toilet and she's got as like a fuck you? 551 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: I also said, how nervous they are. I'm assuming there 552 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: are a few nervous poos going on. When irritual bow 553 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: going on, there was clearly some unspoken rule, like nobody's 554 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: allowed to do a number two in this toilet. Oh 555 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: my god, you're telling me though, that all that fresh girl, 556 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: healthy living, all that match, they're not using that toilet 557 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: for more than another one. Maybe that's much she wants 558 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: it because she doesn't want it getting out that she's 559 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: done a big work and going on TikTok. But that's why. 560 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: Another startling claim that was made in this documentary was 561 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: accusations of fat phobia. So Jeff Avenue has always positioned 562 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: itself as a company that champions inclusion, and Matilda previously 563 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: told reporters that everyone is worth the same and everyone 564 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: has the right to be seen. Meanwhile, the employees who 565 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: spoke on camera claimed that Matilda allegedly refused to use 566 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: a photo of a plus sized model, saying we have 567 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: to reshoot this because she looks so fucking fat in 568 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: these clothes. We can't show that now. There were also 569 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: further claims of body shaming of employees. So one employee 570 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: stated to one person she said that her butt didn't 571 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: fill out the genes, and to another she said her 572 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: butt filled up the genes too much. So she was 573 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: comparing employees in different pairs of jeans. It's got like 574 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: the Goldilocks. One too hot, one with two cold, and 575 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: one was just right. Well I know, sorry, I don't 576 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: mean to laugh at this, but it's just absolutely insane. 577 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: There was a movie when somebody puts across just such 578 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: a different image of line. Well, another employee has also 579 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: come out and said that employees were exploited if they 580 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: had an appearance that didn't fit the norm. So what 581 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: she's saying there is that some employees who were plus 582 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: size or of a different ethnicity, they were heavily featured 583 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: on the company's social media accounts because they thought it 584 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: looked really good to be saying, oh, we've got a 585 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: very inclusive working force here. But again she said it 586 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: wasn't genuine. They didn't treat those people with respect. I'm 587 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: actually not that surprised because I think if you looked 588 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: into a lot of other companies closer, you would find 589 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of virtue signaling going on, and 590 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: that's why people get frustrated by it, because it does 591 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: seem just not genuine. In this case, it clearly isn't, 592 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: because this isn't something that she stands for now all 593 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: Matilda was notably absent from this documentary. We didn't hear 594 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: from her, she didn't provide a statement for the documentary, 595 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: and the journalist Joanna said that she had barely started 596 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: her investigation when Geoff Avenue reached out to her. Questioning 597 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: why she had asked former employees about their working environment. 598 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: Maybe one of the girls that got the key to 599 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: the toilet snitch Now. Joanna immediately suggested lining up an 600 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: interview with Matilda to share her side of the story, 601 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and the company flat out said no. 602 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: Now. 603 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: The journalists also mentioned in her piece to camera in 604 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: this documentary that the workplace problems were well known to 605 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Avenue's HR and management team, yet nothing was done. 606 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: She alleges when the employees spoke to HR and the CEO, 607 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: they said, it's always been like this and that's just 608 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: the way it is. They also allegedly retorted, what do 609 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: you want us to do? We can't fire Matilda. So 610 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: is Matilda just the founder of the company or does 611 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: she actually have a specific role within it. Well, a 612 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: lot of publications are reporting that she's the CEO, but 613 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: she is actually the co founder. So they've employed someone 614 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: else to act as the CEO. Probably a wise move. 615 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Most people would do that and employ a CEO. I 616 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: know at Kick, their co founder, Laura Henshaw is actually 617 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: the CEO, which makes more sense because she has got 618 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,479 Speaker 1: a background in law and she's very intelligent. But I 619 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: actually think listening to her podcast recently that she's going 620 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: to handle that job onto someone else and focus on 621 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: because her days looks so stressful whenever she posts about them, 622 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: like God, she works hard. We're getting back to Jeff Avenue. 623 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: I was so enraged when I heard the HR just 624 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: stood back and did nothing for these employees, particularly if 625 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: you look at Amy and my story. We had terrible 626 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: treatment from the HR team at our former employer, and 627 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, unfortunately, they are just there 628 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: to protect the employer and not the employee. So it 629 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: made me so sad to see that these women, these 630 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: young women, had come forward trying to make change in 631 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: this awful and toxic workplace environment and they were just ignored. 632 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: And I just want to say, it's so brave that 633 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: they've actually found the courage to come out and make 634 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: these claims, particularly against someone who is so powder. The 635 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: best thing is that the reaction has been so good 636 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: from the public. People are believing these women, and people 637 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: are going, fuck you, Matilda, I'm not going to follow 638 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: you well. Matilda did release a statement acknowledging the seriousness 639 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: of the claims, so she apologized for any negative experiences 640 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: her employees had endured and expressed her commitment to fostering 641 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: a respectful work She said, I take the criticism that 642 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: has come forward very seriously and want to be clear 643 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: that a safe and respectful work environment is crucial for me, 644 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: both as a person and the founder of Jeff Avenue. 645 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: She continued. If any staff member has felt mistreated or 646 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: ill equipped in their role due to my actions, that 647 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: is something I am truly sorry for and apologize for. 648 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: It was never my intention to contribute to a work 649 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: environment that negatively affects anyone, and I am sorry that 650 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: there are employees who have had such experiences. She also 651 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: went on to say that she didn't recognize herself in 652 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: the claims and is choosing not to comment on individual cases. 653 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: She said, however, I think it's valuable that this is highlighted, 654 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: as it gives both me and Jeff Avenue the opportunity 655 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: to develop and become better. I want to emphasize that 656 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: I take my responsibility and see this as an opportunity 657 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: to reflect, develop and contribute to a better culture for 658 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: all my employees at Jeff Avenue. I will work actively 659 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: with my leadership and, among other things, continue to receive 660 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: support from a coach The Sweetest Location also spoke to 661 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: the COO of Jurff Avenue, Panila, Bonnie, who said the 662 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: company is aware of areas in need of development, including leadership. 663 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: Bonnie also confirmed that Matilda does have a private toilet, 664 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: describing it as a measure to help keep the influencer healthy. 665 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: She said our office makes it possible to offer this 666 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: solution without affecting other employees access to facilities, and that 667 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: the note will remain in place. She also clarified that 668 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: she believes it's not reasonable that an employee had to 669 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: clean a bathroom outside their job description. She said she 670 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: wants to make it clear that such a situation should 671 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: never occur. So I can't get my head around this 672 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: toilet business. So are you telling me that there's a 673 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: row of cubicles and there's a sign on one door 674 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: that says no one else's life is there in a 675 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: private room. It's separate. It's a private room far away 676 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: from the other toilet. Well, I'm not proximity, but we 677 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: just saw a white door that wasn't a cubical door, 678 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: but a white separate toilet door. Now, is it the 679 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: same toilet that she's taken off I'm not sure. I 680 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: want to know if this has happened in any other 681 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: people's workplace. Are their private toilets in other businesses? Yeah? Well, 682 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean what also really stood out to me about 683 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: Matilda's statement is that she didn't really refute any of 684 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: the claims, No, just sort of acknowledged them. I mean, 685 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: to me, that screams that all of this happened allegedly, 686 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, it wasn't my intention. It makes people 687 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: feel bad. It wasn't really poor response, isn't it. It wasn't 688 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: my intention to be a total jerk and terrorize the office. 689 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: Do you guys think she'll be able to come back 690 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: from this? Well, since the scandal broke, some of Matilda's 691 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: most devoted fans have vowed to boycott jerf Avenue. So 692 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: there's all these videos of young women wearing the signature 693 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: dressing gown that are going viral, and they're asking their 694 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: audience what they're planning on doing with all of their 695 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: jerf Avenue items now, and underneath one of these videos, 696 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: I thought it was very telling because a follower wrote, 697 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: I have so many items from her, and I love 698 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: my tote bag because it was so big but it 699 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: says jef Avenue on it, so I'm embarrassed to wear it. 700 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Does that mean some of these fruit dressing games going on, 701 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: you could probably get a dupe from somewhere else. 702 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 703 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's kind of like when Chloe Zepp everyone 704 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: was selling their stuff or burning their zep So you 705 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: don't want to be seen in it, No you don't, 706 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: but I mean I'm not going out in public and 707 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: addressing it. Well, still a cute dressing guy. I mean, 708 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to support her, but I'll get one 709 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: dirt cheek. I was really intrigued to see how this 710 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: scandal actually affected her follow account because since then, on 711 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: Instagram she's lost over fifty thousand followers, and on her 712 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: jurf Instagram account she's lost twelve thousand. It's not heaps 713 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: considering that she has four millions. Yeah. Well, it hasn't 714 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: actually even affected her teaktok following, so she's continuing to 715 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: steadily gain followers like normal. Her accounts have been flooded, though, 716 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: with fans expressing their disappointment. So one fan wrote, unfortunately unfollowing, 717 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: terrible behavior of you if you can't see your employees 718 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: as fellow humans. How are you supposed to see your 719 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: fans as one Exposing others to bullying and harassment is 720 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: completely mindless. Remember we are living in the year twenty 721 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: twenty four. You need to take responsibility for your behavior 722 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: and get down to earth a bit. I think the 723 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: reason why we haven't seen more people unfollow Matilda Jerf 724 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: is because she's one of those huge influences, a bit 725 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: like Kim Kardashian where people will just follow her because 726 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: she's a huge influencer. The follows as well, now yeah, 727 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: and they're not as invested in her life. I think 728 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: a large amount of the people who have unfollowed her 729 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: are the die hard Matilda Jurf fans, which actually speaks 730 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: volumes because they're saying, I'm not putting up with this shit. 731 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: I actually follow you and used to respect you, and 732 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: now I've hit Those are the unfollows that are going 733 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: to be most damaging to her and her brand, because 734 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: those are the people that actually genuinely convert to sales. Yeah. 735 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: And also, I have noticed a trend. We spoke about 736 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: it probably months ago now on the podcast, but a 737 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: lot of people who end up trolling influencers were once 738 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: fans of those influences, and as soon as that parasocial 739 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: relationship changes because a lot of people are like, Wow, 740 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: we thought we knew her, but she's totally different, and 741 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: they will then turn into the people that investigate her, 742 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: remove and talk about tatle Lie. I know a lot 743 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: about her, they've got AMMO, and they essentially probably now 744 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: want to continue to bring her down. The whole thing 745 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: is quite comical in the sense that people are like, 746 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: She's not what I thought she would be. Like, what 747 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: some absolute glamazon girl who is rich and has everything 748 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: that she wants isn't a nice person? I am utterly shocked. Well, 749 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: that's when it comes across like a high school bulld 750 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: like someone who thinks that they're better than everyone. The 751 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: whole clean girl aesthetic too thing. It's quite funny with 752 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: this toilet scandal because it is like everyone else is 753 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: so filthy. I need my clean space away from everyone. 754 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: I think it is too soon to know the financial 755 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: hit that this is going to have on Jeff Avenue. 756 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: I really don't know how they can come back from 757 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: this and rebuild, because, as we've said, it's at the 758 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: point where it's embarrassing if you look like you're publicly 759 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: supporting this brand and their designs are so recognizable. Yeah, 760 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: but scandals happen so quickly, especially on TikTok, like this 761 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: will probably be forgotten by next month. I think Jeff 762 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: Avenue will be known as a mean girl brand from now. Yeah. 763 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: People aren't going to buy into the shit as well, 764 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: like all their virtue signaling, because before it's oh, it's 765 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: about inclusion, and I mean I think Genzetta's in particular 766 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: are very ethical when it comes to the brands that 767 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: they want to support, and they don't want to particularly 768 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: the fat phobic claims as well. See I think it's 769 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: outrage culture and then people go, oh, but I really 770 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: like that. Well that's where we're going to leave things today. 771 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: If you do love the show, please leave us a 772 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: review and on Thursday we'll be back in your ears 773 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: with our Christmas special with Leah. It's seen us. I'm 774 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: very excited for us. That's a good one. This episode 775 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 776 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past 777 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: and present,