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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: The COLP say that the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner has

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Speaker 1: Member for Braitling and also the Opposition Whip. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning. Thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you