1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: It is looking as though some massive things or massive 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: changes are going to come into play at Charles Dalwin University. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Potentially seventy seven employees are looking as though they'll lose 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: their jobs under this proposed restructure. To get the budget 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: under control, the university is seeking feedback on a draft 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: change proposal and they say it is to unify that 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: vocational education and training as well as higher education across 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: the university. We are going to catch up with CDU 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: in a little while, but joining us in the studio 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: right now is the Opposition leader Leafanorchiaro. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Kadie, Good morning to your listeners 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: all Leah. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: How do you think these changes are going to impact 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory community. 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: Look, obviously this is some really difficult news for a 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: lot of people. There will be people who are losing 17 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: their jobs, and of course there's students wondering what pathways 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: there are for them. But what concerns me most about 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: this is the fact that if our economy was stronger, 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: if the Gunner government had done its job for four 21 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: years and ensured that we did have the jobs and 22 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: opportunity that they continue to that CDU might not be 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: looking at having to take these extreme measures to put 24 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: its budget in line. I mean, ultimately, if there were 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: less people leaving town, if there were more people being 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: able to employ vocational education and training students, than we 27 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't be in this situation. And I think it's a 28 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: very clear reflection of the Gunner Government's inability to grow 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: our population and stimulate our economy. 30 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: The draft proposal it does provide ten million dollars in 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: savings through financial efficiencies across the UNI, and they say 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: positions cdu for growth with. 33 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: Better pathways for more VET students. 34 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: There's no doubt though, that it's going to have a 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: massive impact upon territorians wanting. 36 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: To stay here to study. Are you worried that. 37 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: These changes are going to mean that we lose people 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: to interstate? 39 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: Of course, and I mean the people who will be 40 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: losing their jobs might be having those conversations at home 41 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: over the next few weeks or however long this process 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: is going to take. Will they leave the territory? Will 43 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: students feel like they don't have the opportunities that they 44 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: want to be able to study and develop here in 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: the Northern Territory. So, of course it presents a huge 46 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: risk to us, which is why, you know, when we 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: talk about things like the economy, it's important that we 48 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 2: actually have that action on the ground. I mean, we 49 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: need our kids to stay in the territory, and in fact, 50 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: we want kids from right around the country and the 51 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: world to see the Darwin and the Northern Territory. Of course, 52 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: we've got campuses right across the territory as a great 53 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: place to get an education. And so you know, CDU 54 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: does a fantastic job. They've obviously got some tough decisions 55 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: to make, and they're suffering under the slump in our 56 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: economy just like everybody else. I mean, it's just not 57 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: feasible clearly to be able to run classes and different 58 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: courses with extremely low numbers. But it's a population was there, 59 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be that way. 60 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Is it a situation, though, where it's about our economy 61 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: or is it a situation where students and kids are 62 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: choosing to study into state because Charles Darwin University maybe 63 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: doesn't have the reputation that some of those other universities do. 64 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: Look, I don't think that's the case at all. I 65 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: think what we've got is a really challenging situation where 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: we've got population decline, and of course we've got economic decline, 67 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: which means there are less people here, so it's less 68 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: bums on seats literally in classrooms, and then of course 69 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: less employment opportunities. Now, as a young person setting yourself 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: up for life, you're thinking about what am I going 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: to do? What am I going to be? And am 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: I going to get a job. There's no point going 73 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: to university or studying VET if you're going to end up, 74 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, not being able to secure employment in your 75 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: chosen field. So those two things are intrinsically linked. And 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: if we're not putting the best proposition out there to 77 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: our young people, then they will go elsewhere, and that 78 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: just perpetuates a spiral. You know that more people that 79 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: leave than the less people there are to go through 80 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: our universities and our businesses, and that means less demand 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: on those services and around and around me go, it's 82 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: critical the Gunner government gets some runs on the board 83 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: immediately and start to turn our economy around. 84 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Do some of these courses which are being caush I 85 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: mean some of them are going to have a massive impact, 86 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: I would think, does the government need to try to 87 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: find alternatives? 88 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: Well, it'll be interesting to see what role the private 89 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: sector play in these and of course you know, we 90 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: do have private sector services that you can undertake your 91 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: VET training with whether or not they're able to pick 92 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: up some of those students, but again, if the numbers 93 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: are very low, it's hardly going to be a viable 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: proposition for the private sector to be able to immediately 95 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: step in in a likeful like situation. So I think 96 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: we will see this play out over a period of time, Katie, 97 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: but it's really critical that we don't let these things happen. 98 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: We need a strong university and we have one. We 99 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: need a strong ability to have VET courses and give 100 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: kids those opportunities. We don't want them to leave. We 101 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: need their our next generation of business and community leaders, 102 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: and so we have to do everything we can to 103 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: support them to stay here. And we need to show 104 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: those kids that that jobs of the future are in 105 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: the territory Lia. 106 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: There's no doubt that there are people out there thinking 107 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: right now, if the UNI has to make these massive 108 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: changes in order to make savings, how can they afford 109 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: to build a new campus in the CBD. In fact, 110 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: I've just received a text messag It says get akd 111 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: how can they afford a new campus when they can't 112 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: staff the courses because there's no one signing. 113 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: Up for these courses. Is this something that you're worried about. 114 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: Well, look, there's been a lot of talk about the 115 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 2: new campus and of course it's been something that's developed 116 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: over a number of years and the university has been 117 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: able to secure NAVE funding as part of the city deal. 118 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: So it is that concessional loan arrangement if we can 119 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 2: attract more of those international students and get a bigger 120 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: piece of that market, which obviously now with COVID is 121 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: present significant challenges. But we know that international students and 122 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: the opportunity for the territory to take a big portion 123 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: of that is there, particularly now that we're such an 124 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: attractive destination due to our COVID management. 125 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: Is that a real worry here though? 126 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: You know, it seems as though the modeling of the 127 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: new campus in the CD, in the city, in the 128 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: CBD is largely based on international students and at the 129 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: moment we know that, you know, that's a real hurdle 130 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: that's going to take some time to get over. 131 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: It is a real hurdle and it's encouraging to read 132 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: in the paper that the federal and territory government are 133 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: looking at bringing in students as well as Australians in 134 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: from Singapore and seeing how we can trial that process 135 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: because it is important and you know CDU is not 136 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: the only international education provider. Of course, we've got a 137 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: number of private providers in the territory who also do 138 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: an excellent job. So there's huge opportunities here. We need 139 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: to manage it right. And of course you know people 140 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: won't come unless they see the prospects into the future. 141 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: And that's why you know, I talk economy until I'm 142 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: blowing the face, Katie, but it's just so critical to 143 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 2: everything else that functions in the territory. 144 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: Now, Leiah, we know the CDU City Project does have 145 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: that NAVE funding and we've learned today through Keith Pitt's 146 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: office said the NAFE is sit for a sweeping reforms. 147 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: It will mean that it's easier to get loans. On Monday, 148 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: it may have heard during the intro, I asked the 149 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: Minister for Minds and Energy, Nicole Madison about the slow 150 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: approvals process in the mining sectors. 151 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: She said much of the delay. 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: Is actually attributed to a lack of ability to get 153 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: funding investment. Do you think that these changes through the 154 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: name for going to help look. I think the changes 155 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: are fantastic. Of course the name funding has. 156 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: Evolved over time and that shows that the federal government 157 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: is listening. Of course, federal colleague and Minister for Northern Australia, 158 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: Keith's Pitt, has been in the territory recently. We speak 159 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: regularly and he certainly is listening to how we can 160 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: advance and really make the most of that NAVE funding. 161 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: I think what the Minister for Mining Nicole Madison has 162 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: shown those her ignorance to a very big issue. Approvals 163 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: are significantly slow in the Northern Territory. Now we know 164 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: that to get an exploration license saying somewhere like Western 165 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: Australia and takes about two years in the territory it 166 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: takes four. Now that's double. You cannot tell me that 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: approvals are not playing an enormous role in our inability 168 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: to secure investment. And it's some I think this government 169 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: has control over and needs to move more swiftly on. 170 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something that we've heard on numerous occasions from 171 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: Drew Wagner from the Minerals Council of Australia Lea. Finally, 172 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: this morning, I do want to talk to you about 173 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: the situation at East Point with drinking and the requests 174 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: by police to have drinking ours stopped at seven pm 175 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: rejected by council overnight. Do you think that this issue 176 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: actually highlights a problem for police with resourcing. 177 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: This is part of a much bigger story, Katie, and 178 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: we've seen resourcing issues playing out over the last couple 179 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: of weeks. Of course, I was in the Berkley and 180 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: Central Australia a couple of weeks ago, and remote policing 181 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: in particular, and on top of the fact that police 182 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: have had to respond to COVID and they've done an 183 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: amazing job, is putting significant strain on our police force. 184 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: Crime continues to be high in areas. We're seeing secondary 185 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: supply clearly being a big issue right across the territory 186 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: with measures having to be implemented in Darwin and across 187 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: the region. People calling out for more policing in remote 188 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: areas and so it's a huge issue. They're going to 189 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: Government need to take responsibility for this issue. They are 190 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: responsible for community safety and they are responsible to support 191 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: our police and so you know, we've got two years 192 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: left to negotiate a new funding agreement on that remote policing, 193 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: and we've heard much about it, but ultimately the funding 194 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: does exist for the next two years. So it's up 195 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: to the Police Minister and the Chief Minister to make 196 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: sure that our police are supported to keep territory and safe. 197 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what there does seem to be, you know, 198 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: a bit of a storm brewing here around this issue 199 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: of resourcing. Like you said, I think it's a much 200 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: bigger picture than what people maybe realize. There's obviously the 201 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: discussions which I've had with Senator Sam McMahon, also with 202 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: the Police Commissioner and also with the Minister for Police 203 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: about that federal funding when it comes to remote remote 204 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: police stations. But then there is also the issue of 205 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: our police on boarders. And then like we've touched on 206 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: the fact that obviously here in our urban centers we've 207 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: also got some concerns and that public drunkenness is one 208 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: of those concerns. 209 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 3: I mean, how do you think that. 210 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: We're actually able to to make some inroads here so 211 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: that absolutely everybody is able to you know, to well, 212 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: I guess see the police able to do their jobs 213 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: to the best of their ability with all of the. 214 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: Tools that they need in their belt. 215 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: You know, how do we come to some kind of 216 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: agreement with the federal government and the Northern Territory government 217 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: because you are part of that debate as well. 218 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: That's right. No, that's right, and I've written to my 219 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: federal counterparts about the funding. I'm very happy to be 220 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: involved in supporting a new agreement going forward, but ultimately 221 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: it's very important people understand that the money is coming through. 222 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't expire until twenty twenty two. 223 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: That's certainty. 224 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: No, we do need certainty. But we have a problem 225 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: now now. The problem now is not created from a 226 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: maybe not getting funding in two years time. I mean, 227 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: let's just step this out a bit slowly. We have 228 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: a chronic lack of resourcing in terms of being able 229 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: to cover those remote stations and remote areas. We've got 230 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: police on our border and supporting the COVID response, We've 231 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: got secondary supply issues increasing, and then a future potential 232 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: problem around funding. The funding is current and available now 233 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: and happening, so clearly there's still something is not right now. 234 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: I'm happy to support a new funding agreement going forward 235 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: and of course that would be an absolute great thing 236 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: for the territory, but we have an issue right now 237 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: which is quite separate to that. Now in terms of 238 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: secondary supply. We really need to be looking at the 239 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: government's alcohol measures. They're very happy to say that they 240 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: did the Riley Review and implemented recommendations and pat themselves 241 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: on the back, but secondary supply is becoming a really 242 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: significant issue amongst other things, and now police are of 243 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: course being left to have to try and deal with 244 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: these issues when really there are other arms of government 245 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: that could be doing more to support our police and 246 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: take some of these issues off there, you know. 247 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: So sat the answer here, I mean, because very often 248 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: we do see the policy changes that come into play, 249 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: and when we change legislation for things like alcohol, it 250 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: does have an impact in terms of that resourcing for 251 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: our Northern Territory police. So is what you're saying here 252 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: that realistically the government needs to look at reforming some 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: of the ways that we deal with these things from 254 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: within government departments. 255 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, because our police are there, you know, doing 256 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: an incredible job at just about you know, at every 257 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: single thing that we throw at them, and every single 258 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: thing isn't always their responsibility, you know, so we need 259 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: to be looking at alcohol measures. Just to give you 260 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: an example, I mean the in the Berkley from February 261 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, very very stringent alcohol restrictions were brought in 262 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: and the Liquor Commission at the time said it would 263 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: be reviewed every six months. Now we're two years down 264 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: the track and that has not been reviewed. The community 265 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: in ten people of ten and Creek deserve to have 266 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: proper community consultation around what that looks like. And so 267 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: the government can't just keep bearing its head in the sand. 268 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: It's got to look holistically at all of the triggers 269 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: it can pull to support community safety, support appropriate level 270 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: of consultation and be supporting our police that they can 271 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: get on and do what they really need to be doing. 272 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: So stop throwing every problem at the police. 273 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, their workload is ever increasing. I 274 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: mean I really feel for them. They go to work 275 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: every day to serve and protect us, Katie. And you 276 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: know yesterday was Police Remembrance Day and they were you know, 277 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: touching commemorative services right across the Northern Territory. You know, 278 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: we support our police. They are out there every day 279 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: for us and what we need to do is ensure 280 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: that you know the Gunner government when they make other 281 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: policy changes, that it's not just increasing the workload of police, 282 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: when really it's a responsibility to look within their other 283 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: policies and make change there. 284 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Lea fan Ok opposition leader. Always good to catch up 285 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: with you. Thanks so much for your time today. 286 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: Thank you listeners.