1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: to the Daily OS. It's Monday, the seventeenth of March. 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: I'm emma, i'm zara. 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: You might have heard about it in the news, maybe 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: you've been receiving text messages or you've seen the ads 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: running during maps, but mining billionaire Clive Palmer recently announced 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: he's launching a new Donald Trump inspired political party. Palmer 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: says his Trumpet of Patriots Party will seek to quote 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: make Australia great again. It comes after Palmer lost a 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: High court bid to reregister his United Australia Party ahead 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of the next election. And today we're going to unpack 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: everything you need to know about Clive Palmer's presence in 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: the Australian political landscape, from what happened to United Australia, 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: to the policy proposal of his new party, the role 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: of minor parties in Federal Parliament and political advertising. 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: And Clive Palmer, I think was in the news every 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: single day last week for a different reason, whether it 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: was an ad, he spoke to the National Press Club. 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: All that to say, he is quite a mainstay of 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: the Australian political scene these days, but there's a lot 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: to it, and there's a lot to the man that 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: is Clive Palmer. For anyone who's not familiar, what do 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: we need to know about him? 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: So, Clive Palmer is a seventy year old billionaire who 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: made his fortune in mining before he turned to politics 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen as the leader of Palmer United, a 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: party that became known as United Australia. But we'll get 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: to that a little bit later. He founded his company 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four and it's mainly focused on iron 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: ore exploration in Wa, but that is the company that 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: made him his fortune, and according to Forbes, Palmer's estimated 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: net worth is now three point four billion dollars and 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: that puts him within the top twenty list of Australia's 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: richest people. 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: And so for the large majority of his life, Clive 37 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: Palmer has been known, as you said, for being this 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: kind of mining mogul, this billionaire. But it was only then, 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: more recently, as you said, that he moved into politics 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: and in a very short time he's made quite a splash. 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Yes, so he was nearly sixty really when he started 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: his political career and he launched the Palmi United Party 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: or PUP in twenty thirteen. So Clive Palmer had previously 44 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: been tied to the Liberal National Party, but he branched 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: out on his own and ran in the seat of 46 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: Fairfax in Queensland's Sunshine Coast in the twenty thirteen election. 47 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: He from that election went on to secure a narrow 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: victory to become an MP in the House of Reps, 49 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: or the lower House. And when I say narrow, this 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: was such a close race. It took months to determine 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: a winner and he ended up beating the LNP candidate 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: at the time, Ted O'Brien by around round fifty votes, 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: So it was extremely close and at the time Palmer 54 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: actually accused the Australian Electoral Commission of interference. He suggested 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: that they were trying to rig the results to reduce 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: the influence of his party. And ever since then he 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: sort of stood out as this anti establishment figure in 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: the political landscape. 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: And that's been a big part of I guess his 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: platform has been saying that he's doing things I guess 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: differently to the establishment. What other sort of policies did 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: the party that he set up back in twenty thirteen. 63 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: What sort of policies did they have. 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so they did emerge as this kind of unconventional party, 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: this anti traditional party, which I suppose has become a 66 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: dominant theme in global politics over the last decade. But really, 67 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Palm United promised to hold politicians to accounts, so they 68 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: were pushing for the need for political parties to cut 69 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: ties with lobbyists. They called for electoral reform. Clive Palmer 70 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: at the time was quite strong on things like, you know, 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: voting shouldn't be done with pencils and you should have 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: to show ID on election day, things like that, a 73 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: range of other issues, but clearly issues that resonated with voters. 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Because at that twenty thirteen election there was quite unexpected 75 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: support for the Party United Party, and it ended up 76 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 1: securing three seats in the Senate. So we had Glenn 77 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Lazarus from Queensland, Jackie Lamby from Tasmania. 78 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people forget that that's how 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 2: Jackie Lamby started off. Yes, I think so too. 80 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: And then there was another senator in Western Australia elected 81 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: for Party United Party, and so that gave the party, 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty significant presence in Parliament. 83 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: I think that what you're saying goes to one of 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: the more interesting elements of our political system, which is 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: this power that minor parties, especially and independents can have 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: in the Senate. The fact that this very at the time, 87 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: very new party had three senators elected at the twenty 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: thirteen election. That is quite a unique characteristic of our senator. 89 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, exactly, and a quick refresher. Senators are elected 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: for six year terms, so only half are up for 91 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: re election each term. But your right Zara anti establishment 92 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: kind of sentiment might not be as disruptive in the 93 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: lower House if you have one MP. But we have 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: seen shifts from minor parties like Palmi United or United 95 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: Australia like Pauline Hanson's One Nation in the Senate over 96 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: recent elections, and it all has to do with some 97 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: very complicated electoral system details and some relatively recent changes 98 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: to how preferences work. We won't get into all of 99 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: it today, but the core of what you need to 100 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: know is that minor parties and independents are more common 101 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: in the Senate because the voting system makes it easier 102 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: to get elected with a smaller number of votes, and 103 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: we have seen an uptick in support for minor parties 104 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: in the Senate over recent years, and that culminated in 105 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: record support for minor parties at the twenty twenty two election, 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: the last federal election. So for the first time then 107 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: minor parties and independents received more votes combined than both 108 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: major parties. And I think that tells us a lot 109 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: about voting trends more broadly, and a lot about how 110 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: the Senate looks today. 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: And you're talking there of the twenty twenty two election, 112 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: and I do want to bring this back to Clive 113 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: Palmer and then to the twenty twenty two election, because 114 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: anyone with a mobile phone heard from Clive Palmer at 115 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two election, lots of unsolicited text messages. 116 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: How did his party perform? 117 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Then? Well, a lot changed between his party first emerging 118 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: in the twenty thirteen federal election. You know, obviously there 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: was a name change to United Australia. Jackie Lamby, who 120 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: we spoke about before, left to form her own party, 121 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: and by twenty twenty two, support had shifted. In that election, 122 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: three point five percent of voters put UAP first in 123 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: the Senate and four percent put UAP candidates first in 124 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: the lower House, but it ultimately only secured one seat, 125 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: and that was in the Senate with Ralph Babbitt, a 126 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Victorian Senator. Craig Kelly, who was the former Liberal MP 127 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: and a UAP party leader, lost his seat, and Clive Palmer, 128 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: who ran for a Senate seat in Queensland also lost. 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: Now that was after the party had kind of become 130 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: more known for its stance against vaccinations. It's more controversial 131 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen policies, and that obviously didn't pay off, or 132 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: it didn't yield kind of positive results. 133 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: When you say payoff, that's a really interesting thing because 134 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: what was spoken about so much was how much money 135 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: was spent by UAP to secure that single seat. 136 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Yes, and it's interesting to talk about or think about 137 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the contrast of the new approach or if it's the 138 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: old approach that we're seeing with the new Clive Palmer party, 139 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: which we will get to in a sec but before then, 140 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: we need to talk about registration and the United Australia 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: Party because later in twenty twenty two after that election, 142 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: the Electoral Commission published a notice that the UAP was 143 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: de registered. On the eighth of September twenty twenty two. 144 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: Now that sole UAP Senator Ralph Babbitt was questioned by 145 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: A nine journalist at the time, and he said that 146 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: deregistration was a cost cutting exercise to save on administration 147 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: expenses between elections. And he said the party wasn't going anywhere. 148 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: It's staying right where it is. The UAP is here forever, 149 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: he said. Clive Palmer then also confirmed that the move 150 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: to d register it was about administration, it was about costs, 151 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: and he indicated that the UAP would reregister for the 152 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five election and did they a shock turn 153 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: of events, they did not reregister, and that's actually because 154 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to. The AAC has rules in place 155 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: basically saying that if you voluntarily de register, you have 156 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: to wait for another election to pass before you can 157 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: ref So the United Australia Party was banned from registering 158 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. That doesn't mean that UAP couldn't 159 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: run in twenty twenty five, but not being registered would 160 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: mean changes on the ballot papers, so the party's logo 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: couldn't be shown on ballot papers. It impacts the kind 162 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: of election funding that parties are entitled to so ultimately 163 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: United Australia decided that it could still run, but it wouldn't. 164 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Clive Palmer lost a bid in the High Court to 165 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: reregister ahead of the next election, and ultimately he decided 166 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: to launch a whole new political party under a new 167 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: name going into twenty twenty five. And that brings us 168 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: to the Trumpet of Patriots Party. 169 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: I saw Clive Palmer in a press conference the other 170 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: day have a slip of the tongue and say just 171 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: Trump's Party and then have to correct himself and had 172 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: a little bit of a chuckle. But there are some 173 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: glaring similarities between the Trumpet of Patriots Party and the 174 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: current US president. What do we know about Clive Palmer's party? 175 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeap, a bit of a Freudian slip, But Clive Palmer 176 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: has been very explicit in linking the party to Trump 177 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: style policies. He said the party believes in the policies 178 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, which quote he said, are shown to 179 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: be effective in bringing management back on track. He's vowing 180 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: to make Australia great again. And he actually gave an 181 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: address at the National Press Club on Thursday last week. 182 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of what he said there. 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: Australias want to send a bold leadership to reinvigorate our nation. 184 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: The Trumpet of Patriots is ready to deliver exactly that, 185 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: plus specific policies that will secure our future and put 186 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: our country first. We don't want women in sports men 187 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: and women's sports, especially boxing. All children should be entitled 188 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: to a normal, safe environment in our schools and public toilets. 189 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: All children must be en told to decide who they 190 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: are and what was their sexual orientation is when they're adults, 191 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: after they've gone through puberty. 192 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: And we were talking about earlier how much money Clive 193 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: Palmer and the UAP spent at the last election and 194 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: that that led to a single seat being won by 195 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: Ralph Babbitt. Are we seeing this similar like huge spend 196 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: this time around from the Trumpet of Patriots party. 197 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything that we have seen so far suggests that yes, 198 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: he is taking a similar approach with this party. So 199 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, Palmer spent one hundred million dollars 200 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: on UAP advertising, which was considerably more than the major parties. 201 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: And this time around there's already been significant investment. We've seen, 202 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, marketing across TV ads, newspaper front pages, outdoor billboards, 203 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: a really significant push. A lot's been said on social 204 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: media about the saturation of that marketing, and interestingly, electoral 205 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: reforms actually mean that this is the last time we're 206 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: going to see a campaign run in this way. There's 207 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: going to be limits on advertising spending, so those caps 208 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: will be rolled out for the next federal election. And 209 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Clive Palmer kind of does appear to be going all 210 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: out to platform his party's conservative stance while he can 211 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: spend that money, So that stance involves a lot of 212 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: advertising about its policies on gender, immigration, First Nations recognition 213 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: through all this marketing. 214 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw last week that some regional newspapers 215 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: issued apologies after they ran certain ads by Clive Palmer's party. 216 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, just this week, we've had nine newspapers kind of 217 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: coming out and defending or explaining their decision to run 218 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: that advertising. I think it costs about twenty thousand dollars 219 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: for those front page ads. But the Age, I believe, 220 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: had a front page slash with a Palmer trumpet for 221 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: Patriots ad, but then it also had an editorial that 222 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: was very scathing on the policies of the party. 223 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 2: I believe the. 224 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: Term wart was used in the language to describe some 225 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: of the policies ye modern media. 226 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: Super interesting. I am curious though, and we have spent 227 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: a whole podcast talking about the impact of someone like 228 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: Clive Palmer on our political system and it can't be underestimated, 229 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: just at least the kind of sheer volume of the 230 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: advertising and the messaging. But I am really keen to 231 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 2: just drill down into the actual politics of it. Is 232 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: Clive Palmer expected to actually have a return on his 233 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: investment and to have anyone win a seat at this election? 234 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Well that is the one hundred million dollar question, isn't it. 235 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: According to the latest you of polling data, around one 236 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: percent of Australian's indicated support for the party. Now, when 237 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: we look at Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party, I think 238 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: that that's probably the closest minor party that we have 239 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: to compare it to on policy that has seven point 240 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: five percent support, so different significantly ahead and nine percent 241 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: support for independence. So this Palmer Party is positioning itself 242 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: as a key player in the future government despite those 243 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: lower numbers. And I think this is an interesting argument 244 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: that it's putting forward because there is a lot of 245 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: conversation about a hung parliament being more likely this time around. 246 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: So The Trumpet of Patriots published the results of its 247 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: own polling late in February. It asked voters if they'd 248 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: vote for a party with Trump like policies, so not 249 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: explicitly asking voters if they'd vote for it, but Trump 250 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: like policies, and around thirty percent said yes. So it 251 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: said the results show that if a federal election were 252 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: held today, both the Coalition and Labor would quote need 253 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: the support of a party like the Trumpet of Patriots 254 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: to govern. 255 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: Obviously, just needs to be highlighted again that that is 256 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: the party's internal polling. That's not independent research. We won't 257 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: know until the day of the election whenever that might 258 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: be what the results of this big marketing spend and 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: push might be be. I do just want to end 260 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: on a note though, of do you think that this 261 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: kind of massive spend on marketing could have a reverse 262 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: effect of actually overwhelming or perhaps even having a negative 263 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: impact on voters. Yeah. 264 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting to consider this idea of 265 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: voter fatigue or an over emphasizing of a message and 266 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: people kind of turning away as a result. You know, 267 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: we've discussed how Palmer spent one hundred million dollars last 268 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: election but had only victory in one seat. Equality Australia 269 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: actually commissioned a recent poll through Redbridge, who conduct polling, 270 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: and that data found that voters are focused on cost 271 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: of living, relief, housing and health as priority areas heading 272 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: into the election, not what it called the quote divisive 273 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: policy focus areas of the trumpet of Patriots Party. Eighty 274 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: six percent of respondents said they don't want trans issues 275 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: to be used for political gain during this election campaign. 276 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,119 Speaker 1: An Equality Australia CEO Anna Brown said, most aliens outrage 277 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: to see a billionaire splash a truly obscene amount of money, 278 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: pedaling hate and sewing division when they can't afford to 279 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: pay their bill or buy groceries. So some very strong words. Obviously, 280 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: Equality Australia has commissioned that research and those findings, but 281 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think it does speak to that concern 282 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: about whether or not this is the kind of messaging 283 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: people want to be hearing. 284 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Clive Palmer has said himself that he's 285 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: modeling this off the US. There are very clear similarities. 286 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: We know what's happened there. I guess we have to 287 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: wait and see so whether the same thing could unfold 288 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: here and whether the same messaging does land in a 289 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: different market exactly. 290 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: And it'll also be fascinating to see, you know, how 291 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: advertising spending caps impact future elections. 292 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to have to lock in and wait 293 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: to see what happens with all of this and more 294 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: as the election nears. Em thank you so much for 295 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: explaining all of that. Thank you, and thanks for joining 296 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: us for another episode of the Daily os. 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