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Speaker 2: Now, if my way of thinking about school is so settled,

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Speaker 2: is it possible that I can change my attitude just

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Speaker 2: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson here with Kylie, my

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Speaker 2: wife from Monday, our six kids. Welcome to another week, Monday, Monday.

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Speaker 2: I love Mondays, Fresh Starts, Kylie. It's an opportunity to

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Speaker 2: Fresh Starts every day. Let's just do it. Now. We're

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Speaker 2: several weeks into the new school term, four or five,

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Speaker 2: a lot of kids, And so tonight for our Happy

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Speaker 2: when school sucks because there are so many kids that say,

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Speaker 2: how to help when school Sucks. You can buy it

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Speaker 2: online at Facebook or at happy families dot com dot

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Speaker 2: you just got to doctor Justin Corson's Happy Families. But

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Speaker 2: I thought we'd give people a bit of a sneak peek.

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Speaker 2: Let's share a few ideas now about what's going to

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Speaker 2: come up tonight, and we'll go to them in reasonable

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Speaker 2: share five big ideas when school sucks, and there are

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Speaker 3: So what's your first one? What would you suggest would

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Speaker 3: So the challenge you have here is that only you

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to deny the structural realities. I'm

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Speaker 2: so sorry for that noise. By the way, this person

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the second idea that I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: But she hates school.

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Speaker 3: She hates school at school, and it's really really hard

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Speaker 3: I'm not a qualified doctor, but I'm starting to work

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Speaker 2: And there's now purpose. There's purpose to school, there's purpose

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Speaker 3: And the energy in the conversation just shifted as she

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Speaker 2: What's to do when school sucks? It's the webinar that

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Speaker 2: happens tonight for all of our Happy Families members. It's

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Speaker 2: included in your membership. You just have to log on

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Speaker 2: this evening and participate. If you are not a Happy

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Speaker 2: Family's member, you've got a couple of options. Number one,

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Speaker 2: become one, Come and join the Happy Families family. We

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Speaker 2: would love to have you. If you are not so

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Speaker 2: Happy Families dot com dot a U. The Happy Family's podcast,

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Speaker 2: it's produced by Justin Ruland from Bridge Media. Craig Bruce

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