Speaker 1: Get a pete here before we get started on today's episode.
Speaker 1: If you ain't Seen Nothing Yet, I just want to
Speaker 1: point out that this episode was recorded later last year,
Speaker 1: so there is a bit of COVID stuff. Obviously the
Speaker 1: world's changed even a bit more since then. But also
Speaker 1: the reason I make this point is this was before
Speaker 1: the passing of meat Loaf, who passed away earlier this year.
Speaker 1: He does come up, obviously, he's a big part of
Speaker 1: the movie we're discussing today, So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: point to that and enjoy the episode. Welcome to You
Speaker 1: and Seen Nothing Yet, the movie podcast where I chat
Speaker 1: to a movie lover about a classic or loved the
Speaker 1: movie they haven't quite got around to watching until now,
Speaker 1: and today's guests broadcaster writer Kate Lanebrook.
Speaker 2: The first fell of Blake Club is we do not
Speaker 2: talk about Blake.
Speaker 1: No anleas you.
Speaker 3: You broke my heart.
Speaker 2: Hi ad my your luck, mister bomb.
Speaker 1: Dreams haven't now, don't see nothing here. Her appearances on
Speaker 1: the panel were legendary. It always had people chatting around
Speaker 1: the water cooler the next day, and more recently, we've
Speaker 1: loved having her on the project as a regular. Now
Speaker 1: she finds herself on Kiss FM for the afternoon drop
Speaker 1: off for Monty Diamond and Umi Stein's. Kate is a
Speaker 1: wonderful wordsmith and has put those words into a new
Speaker 1: book called chow Bala about her family stream holiday staycation
Speaker 1: in Italy which turned into maybe a less dreamlike lockdown
Speaker 1: situation as the pan pandemic came a knocking. Kate is warm, humane,
Speaker 1: a freethinker, keenly perceptive, and one of the greats, and
Speaker 1: I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with her today.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm kateline Brook and my three favorite films are
Speaker 3: The Sound of Music, a Dogma film called Feston, and
Speaker 3: The Godfather.
Speaker 1: I want to make them a laugh again with you.
Speaker 3: But until two nights ago, I had never seen Fight Club.
Speaker 4: People are always asking me if I know Taylor Durden.
Speaker 2: Three minutes, this is it ground zero would like to
Speaker 2: say a few words to my defication.
Speaker 4: With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only
Speaker 4: in vowels. Anything for a second, I totally forget about
Speaker 4: Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing, and I wonder how clean
Speaker 4: that gun is getting exciting now that old saying how
Speaker 4: you always hurt the one you love? Well it works
Speaker 4: both ways. We have front row seats for this theater
Speaker 4: of mass destructure. The demolitions Committee of Project Mayhem wrap
Speaker 4: the foundation columns of a dozen buildings with blasting gelatin.
Speaker 4: In two minutes, primary charges will blow based charges and
Speaker 4: a few square blocks will be reduced to smolder and rubble.
Speaker 4: I know this because Tyler knows this. Two and a
Speaker 4: half think of everything we've accomplished, and suddenly I realized
Speaker 4: that all of this, the gun, the bombs, the revolution
Speaker 4: has got something to do with a girl named Marla Singer.
Speaker 1: Yes, Edward Norton's insomnia acting the right of cruisers light
Speaker 1: not support groups, because well, what else are you gonna
Speaker 1: do when you're never really asleep and never really awake?
Speaker 1: When Helen that Bottom and Carter's Marla Singer arrives at
Speaker 1: a testicular cancer support group, it throws his mojo out
Speaker 1: of whack. The last thing he needs is another tourist
Speaker 1: in the room. But if that was Norton's narrator or
Speaker 1: Jack or whatever his name is, exactly thinks Marla is
Speaker 1: a handful. Wait until he sits next to Brad Pitt's
Speaker 1: Tyler Durdin on an airplane a revolutionary andy cabalist hipster
Speaker 1: soap maker who is wanting to set the world's clock
Speaker 1: back to zero. David Fincher's Fight Club Maybe in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine was a punch to the head, both metaphorically
Speaker 1: and literally. Kate Lambrook, are you prepared to break fight
Speaker 1: Club's rules one and two with me today?
Speaker 3: What was two? I only know the first rule.
Speaker 1: Of fight club verstual of fun.
Speaker 3: Never talk about fight club. Oh second rule, never talk
Speaker 3: about funk.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I think he was trying to get
Speaker 1: the ten rules, so he just doubled up.
Speaker 3: And in the edit they just were like leavi it.
Speaker 1: Levi brad bitness picking up his liner. I need that again,
Speaker 1: and they kept that in. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3: I'm so thrilled because it's making me think about I
Speaker 3: never really unlike you, who knows so much about films
Speaker 3: and filmmakers and actors and you have a really broad lexicon.
Speaker 3: I don't really ever talk about films or think about
Speaker 3: films much.
Speaker 1: But this is a wonderful thing about this podcast. And
Speaker 1: you know, the chat after with my guests is that
Speaker 1: when do we chat about films these days? Probably probably,
Speaker 1: like you might that idea of going to see a
Speaker 1: movie and then going out for drinks out is a
Speaker 1: romantic idea, but nobody's got time for that.
Speaker 3: It did used to happen. I remember when I saw
Speaker 3: that Madonna film where she melted she got melted wax
Speaker 3: on it with that guy what's.
Speaker 1: His name, body of evidence with the will.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Willem Dafoe, and I remember coming out of
Speaker 3: it afterwards, and you know sometimes when people would come
Speaker 3: out of movies that they need to be very diffus
Speaker 3: lammatory about what they think in a loud voice so
Speaker 3: other people can hear. And the guy, some guy behind
Speaker 3: rus is going or she's such a fucking slut, right,
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, as we used to say in Queensland,
Speaker 3: well dor free like that? Why is that? Do you
Speaker 3: even think that's an insult? That's actually a compliment to Madonna.
Speaker 1: She did the Coffee Book where she was taking out
Speaker 1: the bins with no pants on.
Speaker 3: We're pants in that entire book, including one of my
Speaker 3: favorite photographs you haven't asked. That's another podcast, her with
Speaker 3: that naked hitch hiking Yes photo, that's such a great photo.
Speaker 1: It was peak Madonna, wasn't it like that? Whole. It
Speaker 1: was kind of it was like a prayer was a
Speaker 1: few years and then in the Vogue and in Bed
Speaker 1: with Madonna documentary and the Sex Book.
Speaker 3: Sex Book, the Sex Books. Just I just remember that photo.
Speaker 3: I would love to have a photo of me doing that.
Speaker 3: No one else would like to see doing that. But
Speaker 3: everything about it is just perfection. Yeah, anyway, you're right,
Speaker 3: we do. You don't talk about.
Speaker 1: Films, so I'm the same way. So this is podcast
Speaker 1: has been great for me because I can revisit films
Speaker 1: that I love through fresh eyes and also films that
Speaker 1: I've never seen before. And that's been amazing, some of
Speaker 1: the films I've seen for the first time as I've
Speaker 1: blown my mind, and knowing you need to talk about
Speaker 1: the film makes you watch it differently. Yes, and this
Speaker 1: is a film that I must say I've been a
Speaker 1: bit over the years met about, but which is kind
Speaker 1: of a weird reaction to have because it's quite a
Speaker 1: confronting film in many ways. But watching it again last night,
Speaker 1: I had a completely different reaction to it when I
Speaker 1: kind of watched more closely, and I hadn't watched it
Speaker 1: for maybe a decade, right, And I think I was
Speaker 1: I know there's some themes that I wasn't taking.
Speaker 3: Some of the themes seem quite contemporary.
Speaker 1: Now, didn't. Yes, we'll get into the weeds of that,
Speaker 1: because there's so many themes in this. But why had
Speaker 1: it been on your mind that you hadn't seen? I
Speaker 1: think you nominated a fight club reasonably? I did.
Speaker 3: I did from the choices that I was given. That
Speaker 3: jumped out at me because it's just entered the lexicon.
Speaker 3: The first rule of fight club. We all know, I
Speaker 3: say it, and yet I've never seen fight Club. There
Speaker 3: was something about the film that some films will have,
Speaker 3: will be you know, minor films, and have a moment
Speaker 3: that cuts through. But obviously it was just such a
Speaker 3: seminal thing, and it was such a male film. It
Speaker 3: was such a thing. It was like a men's club,
Speaker 3: wasn't it? And so I wanted to say it. I
Speaker 3: wanted to see it. But there was a slight drawback
Speaker 3: for me. I think I'm going to be controversial.
Speaker 1: I expect nothing, try to be no. I know you
Speaker 1: don't know, I know.
Speaker 3: But g Brad Pitt, shit, hell.
Speaker 1: We got to come open that can of worms. At
Speaker 1: this point of the show. I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about the three films. Let's let's start with Love. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Love, and we're going to talk about those
Speaker 1: three films. The Sound of Music, I have stated on
Speaker 1: this podcast it's one of the very few movies that
Speaker 1: I would have seen maybe maybe as much, maybe not
Speaker 1: quite as much as I've seen Star Wars, like that
Speaker 1: was Star Wars and the sound of music growing up,
Speaker 1: like when I was really young, like formative years and
Speaker 1: we're watching a movie was exciting and like really exciting,
Speaker 1: and you had maybe three or four videotapes. The sound
Speaker 1: of music was on high rotation in our house. And
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't imagine anyone not loving it.
Speaker 1: I had a friend recently who showed it to their
Speaker 1: kids and I was like, I just had that go
Speaker 1: because I've never sat down my boys and watched it,
Speaker 1: and I think there was a mix of gender and
Speaker 1: the kids loved it.
Speaker 3: We only watched it with the kids all the way through.
Speaker 3: I think we would have when they were little, but
Speaker 3: for them to be old enough to remember. When we
Speaker 3: were living in Italy last year in Lockdown, and we
Speaker 3: started this thing in where we would do this thing
Speaker 3: called the Crying Game, where we would watch sad movies
Speaker 3: and see who cried.
Speaker 1: It was actually based on the movie The Crying Game.
Speaker 3: We didn't watch that with it, but it was always
Speaker 3: me who cried. And Artie, my number three, who is
Speaker 3: my number three child, who is very contained, very very
Speaker 3: few words, not demonstrative particularly whatever, but he and I
Speaker 3: would always be the first ones to cry. And Russell
Speaker 3: Crowe featured a lot in our Crying Game movies.
Speaker 1: Okay, pop queiz?
Speaker 3: What were they?
Speaker 1: Beautiful mind? Yes, Cinderella man, No, there some of us? No, okay? Gladiator, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: of course.
Speaker 3: The third one you'll never guess.
Speaker 1: The third one, the third Russell Crowe film. I imagine
Speaker 1: it wasn't Roper Stumper. It is it is, it is.
Speaker 1: It is a great film, great film, the third Russell
Speaker 1: Crowe made in America or made in Australia.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I think made in America American Gangster,
Speaker 3: but with another Australian in it?
Speaker 1: Oh l A confidential.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Never I'd said you never guess, because it's unlikely that
Speaker 3: it would.
Speaker 1: Who was the other Australian?
Speaker 3: Hugh Jackman?
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman? Oh what was what they made together? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is me?
Speaker 2: Love?
Speaker 3: Me, which you wouldn't think would reduce paper to tease.
Speaker 1: I think it he copped a little bit on that,
Speaker 1: But I I thought he was good me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's always He's always excellent. I think Russell
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to tell him that you have reduced
Speaker 3: us to tears in the middle of lockdown initialy with
Speaker 3: performances that are just part of your ubra Is that
Speaker 3: eg or U is a woman's doctor. I've got a
Speaker 3: cute angina. But anyway, his body of work is phenomenal
Speaker 3: and I love him now he's playing he's embraced the
Speaker 3: bad guy in him, which so many Hollywood actors don't
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's even like I feel like Noah, which you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know a lot of people didn't see.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just really.
Speaker 3: When Noah, I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Noah's great. There in aronofsky filmmaking a very high quality.
Speaker 1: So Russell Croust, not in the sound of music.
Speaker 3: No, why do we get on to him because he
Speaker 3: made you cry? Because he made us cry. The sound
Speaker 3: of music made us cry.
Speaker 1: Yes, and there is an austrain connection with the sound
Speaker 1: of music.
Speaker 3: He mentioned you mentioned, Yes, Maria, what is it you
Speaker 3: can't face? Which was was that in Priscilla? That they
Speaker 3: was where it came about?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 3: No, it was an anecdotal thing before then that when
Speaker 3: they had those screenings I think where people dress up
Speaker 3: in the audience or whatever, that became a thing that
Speaker 3: Australian audiences would yell out. I imagine matter, Yeah, what
Speaker 3: is it you can't face?
Speaker 1: I imagine though? Was that post social media like? Or
Speaker 1: is that like going back pre even in the eighties,
Speaker 1: pre ah? Do you find it amazing with social media?
Speaker 1: There then goes viral, the.
Speaker 3: Spreads and then it's forgotten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and that is right. But like I
Speaker 1: remember when jokes still spread. I still remember the Challenger disaster.
Speaker 3: And another seven astro.
Speaker 1: There being that joke almost that afternoon and everyone seemed
Speaker 1: to know that joke. How did that happen?
Speaker 3: I don't know. How did we know stuff before?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How did we know stuff? I was thinking about that
Speaker 3: going if I was writing or whatever and I couldn't
Speaker 3: think of a word, or I could call you realized
Speaker 3: you had different people you'd call for different things. So
Speaker 3: if I wanted to know something about a film, I
Speaker 3: would call you if I wanted to know a word.
Speaker 3: I'd call my mom if I wanted to know a recipe,
Speaker 3: like you must have had a living body of encyclopedia.
Speaker 1: Yes, is there a scene in or a moment in
Speaker 1: sound of music that cements it in your Like when
Speaker 1: you think of the sound of music, do you go
Speaker 1: to the hills with Maria?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no.
Speaker 1: That's just a that's the ad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the retail opportunity.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: For me, I think it really gets me when she
Speaker 3: is in the Roachhunda with the captain and she's wearing
Speaker 3: a dress, this beautiful blue dress, and when he declares,
Speaker 3: I think he's love for her and she stands with her.
Speaker 3: Her posture in that film is what just gets me.
Speaker 3: It's a posture you don't see in any other actors. Now,
Speaker 3: actors if that like, they might work from the outside
Speaker 3: and emulate it, but it seemed to come from within her,
Speaker 3: her humble nun posture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because no screen time.
Speaker 3: That's why she did have a forward, slooping neck. But
Speaker 3: she was just so beautiful in that that scene. For me,
Speaker 3: and when she sings somewhere in my life or childhood,
Speaker 3: or he sings, I must have done something good. I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 1: I think my first crash was Liezel.
Speaker 3: Oh. I think a lot of people. Yeah, I al
Speaker 3: but Rolf, how did you feel when he betrayed her
Speaker 3: and blew the whistle in the graveyard?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That Ralph was a little turd. Why Ralph, You're
Speaker 1: gotta forget when you whenever? Like, there have been times
Speaker 1: where I've revisited the sound of music and I've kind
Speaker 1: of gone, oh, that's right. There's Nazis in this movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: a kind of surprises me each time it does.
Speaker 3: It does, and even though I mean they're not CARTOUNI,
Speaker 3: it's not cartoony.
Speaker 1: No, there's an actual.
Speaker 3: Real sort of menace in them. And that glorious moment
Speaker 3: when the nuns have taken the yes car part? Is
Speaker 3: it a car Brener? I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: They've taken some essential part out of the car. I
Speaker 3: just love it. I love it so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a beautiful film. Let's talk about Feston.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Fast and I'm very much aware of it.
Speaker 1: And this is part of the Dogma and directed by
Speaker 1: Thomas Vinterberg, who recently did The Hunt which is an
Speaker 1: extraordinary film.
Speaker 3: I'm going to write that down. What's that hunt?
Speaker 1: The Hunt is Mad's Michelson and it's about basically a
Speaker 1: man in a small town who I think volunteers at
Speaker 1: the local I'm not sure if it's a kindergarten, but
Speaker 1: we're young. Let's say it's a kindergarten and one of
Speaker 1: the kids accuses him of being inappropriate with her, all right,
Speaker 1: and for some reason.
Speaker 3: He's not and he didn't do it. I know, I've
Speaker 3: seen it. I've seen it, and it spreads through the
Speaker 3: whole village. Yes, I've seen that, which all of which
Speaker 3: supports my contention, Hellia, that the Europeans cannot make a film,
Speaker 3: especially the Scandalegians, can't make a film without incest. Like
Speaker 3: it's their go to. It's their go to. And you know,
Speaker 3: when you go to a film festial, you could just
Speaker 3: walk in at random, and if you see a gray sky,
Speaker 3: an old man walking beside a swampy lake, and geese
Speaker 3: flying low over the leading sky, you know a kid
Speaker 3: is gonna cop it. You just know, because that's what
Speaker 3: they love, and that happens infested.
Speaker 1: Well, the kid.
Speaker 3: Hasn't copped it. The kid reveals at this right, the
Speaker 3: family are all trapped together in a house. It's just Christmas.
Speaker 1: That's my idea of trapped and Tomas Wnderberg also there's
Speaker 1: a recent film called Another Round which he did, which
Speaker 1: is also magicicaal Senter's again, I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: incest in this one.
Speaker 3: What I will not be watching it because I always
Speaker 3: imagine them. I always imagine them going, oh, yeah, the
Speaker 3: husband and wife sitting, you know, choosing. Oh, look it's this,
Speaker 3: it's a key, or oh this is a new Lars
Speaker 3: Larsen film. Oh, this is a fantastic one. The little
Speaker 3: girl is accusing someone of incest but it has not happened. Oh,
Speaker 3: we must put on our finery. Got to film.
Speaker 1: It's a twist.
Speaker 3: It's a twist. This is a twist from run we
Speaker 3: saw last week whereas a little boy had actually been interfered.
Speaker 3: Visa was a fantastic film, Like what are they thinking?
Speaker 3: Why do they love it so much?
Speaker 1: I guess they do love going into the darkest possible areas, and.
Speaker 3: As they spend so much time indoors, maybe.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, then three months of the year is in
Speaker 1: darkness all of these countries.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then the other three months of the year
Speaker 3: is in perpetual light when everything comes, all the secrets
Speaker 3: must come.
Speaker 1: At blooming with the flowers. Another round is It is
Speaker 1: a really interesting film, and it's it's about these kind
Speaker 1: of mates, old old friends who that they've lost their
Speaker 1: feeling that a little bit like it would Norton, They've
Speaker 1: lost that kind of they feel a bit numb, and
Speaker 1: they decide they hear that some Norwegian professor has his
Speaker 1: theory that if you drink X amount of alcohol per
Speaker 1: day or no sorry, if you keep your blood limit
Speaker 1: at a certain alcohol limit, that is the perfect way
Speaker 1: that function. And they do it and it goes quite well,
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot time until of course, until
Speaker 1: until it doesn't. Let's bringing the kids. It doesn't. That
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It's it's safe to watch, but it is.
Speaker 1: It is. It was nominated for an asking what's really
Speaker 1: interesting about that film is from a production point of view,
Speaker 1: Thomas Vinnerbergh's lost his daughter like weeks I think, even
Speaker 1: like a week in the shooting or a week before
Speaker 1: they started shooting, like in a car accident. It was
Speaker 1: really really flaunt and they just they continued to make
Speaker 1: it making the film.
Speaker 3: Well, work is the salvation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and then yeah, no judgment. That's some
Speaker 1: people do bury themselves in. It's a coping mechanism. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so fests and is Danish for the celebration.
Speaker 3: How do you know all this off the top of
Speaker 3: your skorn?
Speaker 1: I have I have?
Speaker 3: Have you been googling? I saw your hands under the
Speaker 3: table and I assumed you were doing something else.
Speaker 1: Derek called the celebration, so it so there's some sort
Speaker 1: of celebration. I take it.
Speaker 3: Well, this is the Christmas. I think it's Christmas that
Speaker 3: we're all the family are together and they're all staying
Speaker 3: in the old house. But because it's a Dogma film,
Speaker 3: it's made with I can't remember what the tenants were
Speaker 3: the Dogma film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Dogma films were these Danish filmmakers. You've
Speaker 1: got together and said, okay, we're going to make with
Speaker 1: natural light, natural sound, natural sound, basically taking away all
Speaker 1: the elements, so skeleton crew.
Speaker 3: And no makeup. I think it was natural maker.
Speaker 1: And even the scripts were like like basically blueprints as
Speaker 1: far as you know, like loose blueprints. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if there was like a this is how it read there's.
Speaker 3: A feel like it feels like that, it feels like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of improvisation in it. And we saw
Speaker 3: one or the other. I think there were there might
Speaker 3: be more.
Speaker 1: One of my extreme versions is Dogville, which is Nicole Kimmen.
Speaker 3: Was Dogville Dogma a Dogma film.
Speaker 1: Class Entry and that was basically on a stage.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, I couldn't watch it and you
Speaker 3: watch walking from a room to room and the rooms
Speaker 3: were taped out on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it was actually it was. It was
Speaker 1: really good. I mean, you need the patience for it.
Speaker 3: Correct. I see, I'm very as a girlfriend of mine
Speaker 3: sees attention span of a gnat, very modern of me
Speaker 3: that I find it. I get very distracted.
Speaker 1: And the National.
Speaker 3: Gay jerrych will send it through and that is a
Speaker 3: lucast like creature.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, so they are the Dogma films, yes,
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 3: I think the reason that I mean, why is a
Speaker 3: film a favorite film? But Peter and I had seen
Speaker 3: another one called the Retards. I think it was called the.
Speaker 1: Rethearts very Scandinavian.
Speaker 3: So Scandinavian. It was about a bunch of like students
Speaker 3: who would go around pretending that they had various physical
Speaker 3: or mental afflictions. It was strange, didn't make it on
Speaker 3: my favorite least, but we were so there was something
Speaker 3: about the rawness of it. And also that's quite a scandalous.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite stories and Judith Lucy is that
Speaker 1: her father used to pretend to get into the footy
Speaker 1: for free. Did that come up? Was that one of
Speaker 1: the characters. Was that one of the characters.
Speaker 3: Well, you can't make some shit up, right, That's right,
Speaker 3: that's right anyway. So and then after that we saw
Speaker 3: fest and and then and it's become like a you
Speaker 3: known't think how things into the lexicon of your relationship
Speaker 3: life or whatever that Peter I'll sometimes we'll say about something,
Speaker 3: oh it was a real fest, and oh it was
Speaker 3: a real fest and gathering, and we know straight away
Speaker 3: what we mean. Song's the revelation of the child coppying it.
Speaker 3: But child is grown up, by the way, I don't
Speaker 3: want to spoiler alert. It's twenty five years old, Okay,
Speaker 3: you know, but it was, It's just there was some intensity.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course the third film is also moving
Speaker 1: on to my well, I always say my two favorite
Speaker 1: film or my favorite film is god Father one and two.
Speaker 1: I kind of put them together, even though I would
Speaker 1: probably have Part two a smidge ahead of the first.
Speaker 3: But mind they're actually blurred now that you say that.
Speaker 1: What's interesting. I talking to somebody about Godfather Part three,
Speaker 1: and it's Godfather Part three, which is often derided and unfairly.
Speaker 1: It's a really good film. It might not if you've
Speaker 1: seen the other two, Well, it just doesn't compare. It's
Speaker 1: just not in this in the conversation Very few films
Speaker 1: are in the conversation of this could be the greatest
Speaker 1: film ever made. Godfather's Part one and two are. God
Speaker 1: Father Part three isn't.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, most old Sophia didn't she did,
Speaker 3: and didn't she go on to have the last laugh.
Speaker 1: She did, got behind the camera, turned it around. But
Speaker 1: it's got one of the most famous quotable lines or
Speaker 1: Godfather movies, which I think some people often forget, is
Speaker 1: from Godfather Part three, which is every time I think
Speaker 1: I'm out, they you know they yeah, which is yeah.
Speaker 1: I often think I often forget that that's part three.
Speaker 3: Well I didn't even remember that lines, so yeah, you
Speaker 3: had me there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you love about Godfather.
Speaker 3: Oh well, we watched it again when we were living
Speaker 3: in Italy last year. Of course we went to when
Speaker 3: we went down south to Sicily, we went through Godfather Country.
Speaker 3: It's such a remarkable It does all those things that
Speaker 3: a great film does. The music is magnificent, The cast
Speaker 3: is extraordinary, to the point where they're almost not like actors.
Speaker 3: The setting is sublime. They've constructed a world that you
Speaker 3: are immediately immersed in, and they've created it with such confidence.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like watching a stand up on stage.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: If they're not confident, it's the worst thing because you
Speaker 3: don't feel safe.
Speaker 1: I always talk about films about feeling like you are
Speaker 1: in safe hands, and sometimes it happens really early case
Speaker 1: in some dance Kid. I watch it for the first
Speaker 1: time for this podcast and did you Yeah with Bob
Speaker 1: Murphy and the first the opening frame, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I think, I love this movie. And sometimes it can happen,
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of act one, or at
Speaker 1: some point, maybe happens later in the film, but I
Speaker 1: feel at some point that I love that moment where
Speaker 1: you're kind to go I'm watching a great film.
Speaker 3: That you can totally surrender to it because like you said,
Speaker 3: you're in safe hands, so we've got Godfather.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was like that.
Speaker 3: It was so transporting, it was so brave.
Speaker 1: The opening scene being an extraordinary like long sequence at
Speaker 1: the at the communion, the wedding sorry, and the light
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando so dark.
Speaker 3: That yes, you know, these cheeks full of cotton, wool, cotton.
Speaker 1: And the real cream or whatever that was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was so luxuriant, like they really not only could
Speaker 3: we trust them as filmmakers, but they trusted us as
Speaker 3: the audience to go just go with it. It's really Look,
Speaker 3: I've got goosebumps because it's just I love it. I
Speaker 3: really really love it, and because it's about a country
Speaker 3: that I love as well, and it's a part of
Speaker 3: it's historical and it's contemporary. Yeah, because mafia now is
Speaker 3: just legitimate business in Italy. They just if you do business,
Speaker 3: it's mafia business, you know. But yet it's still got
Speaker 3: their genesis in that in the village, the village life,
Speaker 3: the tiny villages and the huge characters.
Speaker 1: And it's that beautiful journey that you see Michael go
Speaker 1: on when he doesn't not he doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: part of the family, you know, the family business. Loves
Speaker 1: his family, but it's not part of the family business.
Speaker 1: To see the corruption of Michael along the way, not
Speaker 1: just in one, but in part two.
Speaker 3: It's inescapable and the heart of the movie.
Speaker 1: Always think of the saga. I think he's Freido like this,
Speaker 1: the black sheep of the family who could not quite
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you've ever met anyone who's like
Speaker 1: famili who are in business to and there's this one
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit into that family. And Fredo breaks my
Speaker 1: heart every time as it does Michael's impata extraordinary.
Speaker 3: How amazing that we love the same thing. Eliah, here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 1: Oh haven't we mentioned this before? I mean, I'm listening
Speaker 1: to the incest side of Danish cinema.
Speaker 3: Win you over, I'll win you over.
Speaker 1: Let's chat about this extraordinary movie from nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: David Fincher, directed, written by Jim Old and starring Brad
Speaker 1: Pitt and Edward Norton. Did you like it?
Speaker 3: I liked the first third of it.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I like the first third of it. I was very
Speaker 3: surprised by it. It wasn't what I was expecting.
Speaker 1: Did you think it was about men just punching each
Speaker 1: other and didn't have all those other themes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that. It got all being John Malkovich,
Speaker 3: you know, So.
Speaker 1: Did you know about the twist at all?
Speaker 3: I didn't know. And that wasn't a twist. It was
Speaker 3: just stupid. It didn't even make sense to me. By
Speaker 3: that stage. I was quite weary because I'm like, but
Speaker 3: what it wasn't like that Bruce Willis film.
Speaker 1: Well, both these films come out in the same year,
Speaker 1: did they? Yes, so nineteen nine nine ordinary year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was usual. Suspects also comes out that year, right,
Speaker 1: Crying Game comes out. I think maybe that was a
Speaker 1: twist you found out when you watch it with your kids,
Speaker 1: they found out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like, I loved the first third. I
Speaker 3: thought that they tried to do too much with it
Speaker 3: and in the and this often, I think this is
Speaker 3: often a thing in films. For me, just tell a story.
Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be it doesn't need to be
Speaker 3: so complicated. Like the premise of what they had was
Speaker 3: so interesting to me and exciting.
Speaker 1: And and it's call or when you say the premise
Speaker 1: excited you, oh, just simply the idea that men disenfranchised
Speaker 1: men to feel something, need to hit each other feel something.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that they started this this underworld world, and
Speaker 3: that it spread, you know, and that suddenly there were
Speaker 3: all these clubs doing it. I love that, and I
Speaker 3: loved even up to the point of his apartment exploding,
Speaker 3: like that was all fascinating. But then it felt like
Speaker 3: as a writer, and this is a terrible thing to say,
Speaker 3: you know, about an accomplished and respected writer, but it
Speaker 3: feels like they just got oh I know, let's make
Speaker 3: them the same person. They're the shame person.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I fucking love it, man, I fucking love it. You know.
Speaker 3: It was just too much for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are a lot of ideas. It's
Speaker 1: a very busy.
Speaker 3: Yes, they need to cut the fuck down, you know,
Speaker 3: they needed to go to fight club and have some
Speaker 3: of that bullshit pummeled out of them because it was
Speaker 3: too much. But to a certain point, I really really
Speaker 3: really liked it, well than I thought I would.
Speaker 1: I probably enjoyed the final act more so than the
Speaker 1: first third. If you like when he's looking for him, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I like the way because you can see that,
Speaker 1: you know, like the twist is the twist that Tyler
Speaker 1: Durdon is basically, you know, the invisible friend of Edward Norton,
Speaker 1: the narrator. Well, it's called Edward Norton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I didn't know his name.
Speaker 1: No what there's kind of gexture of what his name is.
Speaker 1: He's either narrator or Jack because he often says I'm
Speaker 1: Jack's you know.
Speaker 4: I am Jack's medulla oblongado, I am Jack's complete lack
Speaker 4: of surprise.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that kind of annoyed me, I must say.
Speaker 1: I was like, is this like an American phrase at
Speaker 1: the time, like, don't have a cowman type beware they
Speaker 1: were supposed to it hadn't aged. Well, yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: I've read I think Edward Norton believes that the character's
Speaker 1: name is Jack.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to did they kill Edward Norton's career
Speaker 3: that film and yet somehow make Brad Pitt's career.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, I know I'm leading into it.
Speaker 1: Was paid seventeen and a half million or seventeen million
Speaker 1: dollars to do that film in ninety nine, in ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and then Norton was paid two and a half million. Right,
Speaker 1: they actually wanted funny enough. Russell Crowe was one of
Speaker 1: the early favorites to play Tyler Derney. Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 1: They were overruled, so Edward Norton. After that, I am
Speaker 1: cheating here.
Speaker 3: I thought also Edward Norton was ed Burns. Are they
Speaker 3: easily confused? I just maybe haven't seen enough of Edward Norton.
Speaker 1: They do, they do.
Speaker 3: And I thought he was married to Christy Turlington, which
Speaker 3: at one point in the film when I got a
Speaker 3: bit bored star.
Speaker 1: Coogling.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So after Fight Cup he makes a film with Ben
Speaker 1: Steeler and Jenna Elfman called Keeping the Faith, which is
Speaker 1: kind of romantic. It's quite a nice film. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: a romantic triangle between Ben Stiller and they would not
Speaker 1: know who one's a rabbi, one's a priest and like
Speaker 1: a child friend of theirs.
Speaker 3: And Jenna Elfman as we know as as scientologist. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so that was a third the Holy Trinity right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He makes The score Death of Smoochy with Williams, which
Speaker 1: cooked cooked.
Speaker 3: We've just stumbled onto something here. That movie killed him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because for a while that he makes a film
Speaker 1: he makes The Illusionists, which was pretty good. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, becomes the Hulk not long after in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Yeah, because before he made Fight Club,
Speaker 1: things going pretty well. So he's made Primal Fear, was
Speaker 1: I think his first film is his film debut was
Speaker 1: Primal Fear, which was a big twist movie that was
Speaker 1: ninety six. Then he makes American History X, which was yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's Rounders which was quite big as well.
Speaker 1: And then and then It's a Fight.
Speaker 3: Cool it killed him Stone, Motherless Deed, okay, Ken maybe
Speaker 3: it was coming off seven which was oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: did he do? What did Brad Pitt do after that?
Speaker 3: Because it was one of the things that struck me
Speaker 3: in the film was how over art directed Brad Pitt was.
Speaker 3: But then when I came across the twist, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can I under Maybe it was. It was obviously
Speaker 3: a deliberate thing, but I hate that over art direction
Speaker 3: thing that you often see in American movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes it was. I mean it was very extremely stylised.
Speaker 1: So Brad Pitt leading into this has made movies like
Speaker 1: seven twelve Monkeys, which is great, Terry Gilliam, Sleepers, The
Speaker 1: Devil's Zone, didn't we work seven years in Tibet meet
Speaker 1: Joe Black and then so to get to your point,
Speaker 1: then he makes After Fight Club, he makes Snatch with
Speaker 1: Madonna's husband, Yes, guy Richie. And then he has a
Speaker 1: miss set with the Mexican where they thought, let's put
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Julia Robbins together. I could go wrong.
Speaker 1: I think James Feni's in that film as well, Memory
Speaker 1: Spy Game with Robert Redford. And then it's Oceans eleven. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know there's some missus here. There's Confessions of
Speaker 1: a Dangerous Mind, which is directed by George Clooney, and
Speaker 1: that didn't really work. Troy. He makes with Eric Banner
Speaker 1: and Rose Burn, big movie, Bit of.
Speaker 3: A Fly, But he's failing upwards.
Speaker 1: Paychecks still going up. He's made more Oceans movie, Mister
Speaker 1: and Missus, Smith, evangel and Jolie which changed history, change.
Speaker 3: History, personal and movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like he has what he has done, he's
Speaker 1: been able to still make great films. Glorious Bastard's burn
Speaker 1: after reading Moneyball.
Speaker 3: Okay, riddle me this, because there was a point at which,
Speaker 3: you know how people say, oh, I can't unsee something.
Speaker 3: I had a moment of that with Brad Pitt.
Speaker 1: Yes, you made a very strong statement.
Speaker 5: Early.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: I did, And he's to my mind, like a pretty
Speaker 3: girl in Hollywood films who's learned a lot along the way.
Speaker 3: It's not that he has never had good performances, but
Speaker 3: there was a moment in which I saw the essential
Speaker 3: truth of Brad Pitt as an artist. And from that
Speaker 3: point on I wish I'd never seen it, because I
Speaker 3: just couldn't. Now all I see is his tricks is
Speaker 3: whatever he's you know, birdshit hair, where he's getting his
Speaker 3: hair tipped blonde. I'm like, calm the fuck down, mate,
Speaker 3: be an actor, you know, not a cover boy, such
Speaker 3: a cover boy. But eating in movies, the constant eating
Speaker 3: because he can't just have nothing, the slightly slap five.
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn does that a lot, and it keeps a
Speaker 1: vis Vaughn often eats in movies where it's like, why
Speaker 1: are you eating? Mane?
Speaker 3: Because they can't do nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's often acting to have something in your
Speaker 1: Some actors do love having things in their hands, and
Speaker 1: it's eating something is a great way to take your
Speaker 1: mind off. Yes, what the lines and you know, the
Speaker 1: delivery of lines.
Speaker 3: At one point in that movie in Fight Club, Brad
Speaker 3: Pete eats on the telephone and you don't even see
Speaker 3: him or you hear is his voice on the telephone
Speaker 3: calling Edward Norton at a public payphone. Edward Norton answers,
Speaker 3: and my husband went, is he eating? It's actually eating? Hello?
Speaker 2: Who's this?
Speaker 4: Who we're met on the airplane? We have the same
Speaker 4: suitcase the cleaver got.
Speaker 3: He's going, Carl Yo, were we meet me at? Because
Speaker 3: he's such a hollow man as an actor?
Speaker 1: Okay, I can pletely disagree.
Speaker 3: I love that you do, but I haven't told you
Speaker 3: the Jump the Shark. If you want to hear that
Speaker 3: I do. I do, And you need to tell me
Speaker 3: at what point in his filmography what's it called filmography
Speaker 3: that he made the movie Meet Joe Black?
Speaker 1: Well, Meet Joe Black came before before that was nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety eight, so he's made that a year before Fight Club.
Speaker 3: I wish i'd never seen that film, because there's a film.
Speaker 3: Have you seen Meet Joe Black?
Speaker 1: I've seen it, and I don't have a great reaching Hopkins.
Speaker 3: But do you remember there was a scene where he
Speaker 3: was eating peanut but of course he was eating where
Speaker 3: he's eating peanut butter, and I think he's supposed to
Speaker 3: never have eaten it before. I can't remember why that
Speaker 3: would be. What was my met Joe Black about anyway?
Speaker 1: Whatever's death, wasn't it all?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's had a twist how to twist anyway? So
Speaker 3: he's eating peanut butter and he's never he's supposed to
Speaker 3: I think, never have eaten it before, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 3: There's something about the peanut butter. And it was watching
Speaker 3: him do that and trying to act whatever he was
Speaker 3: supposed to be conveying, and it was so terrible. There
Speaker 3: should be another word for it. It was such bad
Speaker 3: acting that I was astounded that it got to the
Speaker 3: big screen. I was astounded. And then the veil was
Speaker 3: lifted from him and it was like the Wizard of
Speaker 3: Oz and there's just an old guy behind a curtain.
Speaker 3: And when I see Brad Pitt now, it's very hard
Speaker 3: for me not to say I don't enjoy him. When
Speaker 3: they played his strengths like you know and Missus Smith
Speaker 3: or whatever, fantastic not enough of him and him and
Speaker 3: Angelina Jolie together in that film, by the way, But
Speaker 3: he's just so so he's such a limited actor that
Speaker 3: he is a distraction for me in most films.
Speaker 1: So my take on Brad Pitt is that he is
Speaker 1: like a genuine movie star. Yes, and I think and
Speaker 1: I think if you're a judge him, like, I think,
Speaker 1: it's hard to judge him up against someone like a
Speaker 1: Paul Gamarti.
Speaker 3: Or you know, yeah, because he's not an actor.
Speaker 1: He's not a character actor as such. But I think
Speaker 1: he does a pretty good fist of disappearing into roles
Speaker 1: considering how extraordinary good looking that man is. Like I'm
Speaker 1: mu sure if you saw a film on Louise and
Speaker 1: we wechelled Alex Eedelman about that, and it is just
Speaker 1: both of us are just like wow. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: Paul Newman and Robert Redford at the height it is.
Speaker 3: And that's why I said he reminds me of a
Speaker 3: pretty girl in Holllyyo would, yes, because but because he's
Speaker 3: a guy, he's allowed to have a longer lifespan than
Speaker 3: a pretty girl because, as you know, there's an age
Speaker 3: at which a pretty girl's petals drop off.
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting point. Who is the prettiest girl
Speaker 1: who's operating now at the older age, who's been able
Speaker 1: to break through? Because Angelina Jolie and whether it's some
Speaker 1: people decide to what you know. We don't know, if
Speaker 1: it's how much he's walking away, raising a family or
Speaker 1: getting behind a camera. I think we do.
Speaker 3: I think I'm a woman, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So Angela's Jolie is kind of slowed up, but.
Speaker 3: She's more powerful than a pretty girl. I wouldn't though.
Speaker 3: Her beauty is phenomenal once in a lifetime beauty.
Speaker 1: Cameron Dia is kind of basically it's almost retired, Meg
Speaker 1: Ryan gone, Julia Roberts still there but not making the
Speaker 1: not the banner name yeah no, but George Clooney and
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt.
Speaker 3: But also I find her a really good actor. She is.
Speaker 3: I find her a really good actor. So once again,
Speaker 3: not not kind of pretty girl, not just cast to
Speaker 3: be pretty girl.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean, I mean my point is sort.
Speaker 3: Of a bluarry one. I've only had two days to
Speaker 3: formulate it.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the podcast about people processing a film
Speaker 1: that just watched. Yes, you may feel differently about I
Speaker 1: mean literally, I saw A Fighter when it came out
Speaker 1: in cinemas and I feel different changed one last night, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: twenty two years later, so twenty two years in terms
Speaker 1: of you will come back and find out how you
Speaker 1: feel about fight cler.
Speaker 3: Wow, people, that is interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You'll do it.
Speaker 5: But I.
Speaker 1: Think as for a movie star and for somebody who
Speaker 1: looks the way he does, I think anyone who's got extraordinary,
Speaker 1: you know, physical beauty, who can actually disappear into roles
Speaker 1: is extraordinary. And I think, so he doesn't disappear for
Speaker 1: me over over when I see I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of Brad Pitt movies, and I said when I saw
Speaker 1: Twelve Monkeys, when I came out, I said to my
Speaker 1: friend on community radio, I said, trust me, Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: is going to be one of the And he was
Speaker 1: just basically tabloid fodder. He was on the front cover
Speaker 1: of all the teenage magazines, so he was not considered.
Speaker 1: I know, he was just a pretty face. Yes, And
Speaker 1: I said, trust me, Brad Pitt would be one of
Speaker 1: the great actors of our generation.
Speaker 3: And you were wrong.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Lang Rock. I actuly believe. And if you
Speaker 1: see movies like Fury and you know Inglorious bartist Burn
Speaker 1: after reading he's hilarious in that like that's his A's
Speaker 1: a Coen Brothers film. With George Clooney, Tilda Swinton, Brad Pitt.
Speaker 3: He's oh and he did that movie, that guy Ritchie
Speaker 3: movie where you couldn't understand him.
Speaker 1: Yes, straight after the assassination of Jesse James. But the
Speaker 1: caw Robert Ford his extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Him too harsh on him. But he's got certain things
Speaker 3: that great actors can do that he can't do. And
Speaker 3: for me, with my one year at acting school, I
Speaker 3: think I recognize them because they were things that I
Speaker 3: found hard to do. He can't laugh on screen. If
Speaker 3: you go back and watch Fight, come, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to make you watch it again. I mean, I have
Speaker 3: no power. He's terrible fate laughing. He does it many
Speaker 3: times in that film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he's being beaten. Is that one of the ones?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't, he actually does. He's got a terrible
Speaker 3: in acting. It's much. This is one of the bitter
Speaker 3: ironies of the fact that Academy Awards have never given
Speaker 3: to comedies, because it's much easier to go as an
Speaker 3: actor to the place of drama and tears and pain
Speaker 3: than it is to go to levity and buoyancy. Jennifer
Speaker 3: Aniston phenomenally underrated because the whole point of the comedy
Speaker 3: is you make it look easy, and so then I
Speaker 3: think people make the mistake of thinking it is easy.
Speaker 3: But so when you're watching a really good actor, they
Speaker 3: can convey, they can laugh on screen, and you believe it.
Speaker 3: When Brad Pitt laughs on screen, it's horrendous, horrendous, And
Speaker 3: I'm just like, mate, well it just makes this loud
Speaker 3: braying sound like just that ironically makes me laugh anyway,
Speaker 3: that's just for me, one of his I find him
Speaker 3: just so limited, but I'm not without scope. I mean,
Speaker 3: I respect him for the fact that he hasn't made
Speaker 3: easy choices.
Speaker 1: No, and he's also from an artist's point of view,
Speaker 1: not just as an actor, as a producer. He's a
Speaker 1: production covering, which I think probably costs him money. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Plan B he started with, honest, that's.
Speaker 3: Right, and in the divorce he brought her out and
Speaker 3: of course the ironies romantically, she had to find a
Speaker 3: plan be because her houseband wrapped off.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a plane a lot, maybe it was
Speaker 1: the Plan A.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I am team Brad Pitt, so team Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I, like I said, I had low expectations when
Speaker 1: he started out, and he's exceeded my expectations.
Speaker 3: I had didn't have low expectations because he was so
Speaker 3: phenomenal in Thelma and the Ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even though it was seven, he's so good.
Speaker 3: So he's good in seven. He's good in seven. Not
Speaker 3: as good as Gwyne's Head in the Box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, we can't go too bar into
Speaker 1: seven because we should get back to the fight club.
Speaker 1: But money Board is another one worth checking out. He's
Speaker 1: really good and more contained I think in that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on. I will say this about Brad Pitt's
Speaker 1: wardrobe in this. For someone who's anti capitalist, he is sharply.
Speaker 3: Correct, too sharply. But then you realize he's in a construct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's actually I was thinking about that during
Speaker 1: the film, and then I thought, hek, of course, this
Speaker 1: is Edward Norton's how he's projecting and he would like
Speaker 1: to be and how he would like to dress. Even
Speaker 1: the name is like such a it's a great name.
Speaker 3: It's a great name. It's almost too great a name.
Speaker 3: But when you realize who he is, it makes sense
Speaker 3: that the name is so great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, what do you think of the support
Speaker 1: groups at the start. I enjoyed those. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of I think one of the themes of the film
Speaker 1: is basically the castration of men, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of that going on, and you know, and the emancipation. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're basically you know, I wrote down in their emasculated
Speaker 1: consumers to begin with, and it's probably it's probably.
Speaker 3: They're dead inside, dead inside their numb but they have
Speaker 3: enough of a glimmer of life left inside them to
Speaker 3: know that they're missing something.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's a very good point. And it's I
Speaker 1: think it's Bob who kind of is the most that's
Speaker 1: meat life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. With with the bitch ship, Yeah, there
Speaker 3: were some big sweet titt weren't they.
Speaker 1: They really were. He was the only one allowed to
Speaker 1: fight in violation of the fight club rules with a
Speaker 1: shirt on because the reason was it was a fat suit.
Speaker 3: Oh of course, because you were you couldn't say. And
Speaker 3: also that would have changed their rating.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize because it didn't look good. No, they
Speaker 1: must have had I had seed also in the facts.
Speaker 1: Apparently it was very heavy and they had between.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean it didn't look it looked good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have thought it would be that complicated.
Speaker 3: Look at me, I've got them now.
Speaker 1: I changed shirt in the Yasney class.
Speaker 3: I did love I love that. I love that. It
Speaker 3: was a good idea. It was a great idea that
Speaker 3: people would go to support groups.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like I've seen that probably since
Speaker 1: that idea kind of explored, but it may have been
Speaker 1: the first to explore that, the idea of this going
Speaker 1: to support groups with no real need such for them.
Speaker 1: But Bob said, Bob is a was a body builder,
Speaker 1: lost his his testicles through cancer, phasically cancer, not through carelessness, carelessness,
Speaker 1: and then he's grown boobs and even his voice has
Speaker 1: lost its timber. It's like a feminine voice.
Speaker 3: It's a good performance actor, wasn't it he was? Is
Speaker 3: he an actor?
Speaker 1: But he's done something. He was in a rocky horror
Speaker 1: picture show. Oh that's right, But that was very different
Speaker 1: perform performance than this is more nuanced. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of castration going on,
Speaker 1: you know, as let's talk about you know men, Rapid
Speaker 1: has that line I told them when he's in the bars,
Speaker 1: and we're a generation raised by women. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: another woman is what we need.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, which is very interesting and reminded me of
Speaker 3: an article I read the other day about you know,
Speaker 3: all this talk about toxic masculinity and there's never been
Speaker 3: more women involved in in boys lives. Every school teacher
Speaker 3: is a woman. In the media, it's dominated now by women.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of women around doctors and la la,
Speaker 3: and possibly toxic masculinity comes from not enough men rather
Speaker 3: than it was very interesting. You know, sometimes you read
Speaker 3: something and it changes your mind. I was reminded. I
Speaker 3: thought of it a lot during that film because that
Speaker 3: was that was very It was like a prophecy that film,
Speaker 3: wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I think like if you look at today, like this
Speaker 1: film feels almost more relevant today, even though this is
Speaker 1: all pre social media. We have all this, you know,
Speaker 1: but the idea this is a generator. Damien Power, we spoke.
Speaker 1: It was one of his favorite films, and he made
Speaker 1: a really good point, you know, because diversity always comes up,
Speaker 1: you know, chating. This is a very white film, but
Speaker 1: he said it's important that it's white because these are
Speaker 1: these are the haves in a way, like these are
Speaker 1: not the these groups of men are not the have. Nots.
Speaker 1: That's not the point. These these like you have everything
Speaker 1: you need and you want, and it's still not enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's that line where they say, you know,
Speaker 1: we have no we have no war, Braitt says, I
Speaker 1: told her there, we have no war, we have no
Speaker 1: great depression, how great depressions? Nothing they've got even nothing
Speaker 1: to fight for. Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, really interesting.
Speaker 3: Which comes up a lot now in conversations about like
Speaker 3: mental health for me in particular or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't think let's just say, a white
Speaker 1: man in Australia, what really do you have to complain
Speaker 1: about it? And even if you broaden it out just
Speaker 1: to kind of society. We are so lucky in this country. Yes,
Speaker 1: we don't know how lucky we are. We tend to escape.
Speaker 1: We escaped the global financial crisis. We've escaped other pandemics.
Speaker 3: We're putting this stuff on the computer for you.
Speaker 1: It's really we escape, we escape pandemics. SARS didn't really
Speaker 1: come to us, and I think with COVID, I think
Speaker 1: we all thought we were again. We will, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll catch a wave out of here before it before
Speaker 1: it strives, And it didn't. So I think it's come
Speaker 1: as as a shark and lot of people haven't known
Speaker 1: how to respond to it. But I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, when people start talking about segregation when they're
Speaker 1: talking about vaccines. Yes, you don't know what that actually means.
Speaker 1: Like being being told you can't dine at a pub
Speaker 1: for maybe six weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well not in Victoria, not six weeks.
Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily wanting to open that up up
Speaker 1: that can of worms. And everyone is entitled. I sometimes
Speaker 1: wonder if people are looking for looking things to rally
Speaker 1: against them. And now listen, if you're well, I tell
Speaker 1: you what.
Speaker 3: This is, really given something people something to rally against,
Speaker 3: because it's been an amazingly un Australian happening, do you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like for suddenly mandates and blah
Speaker 3: blah and dad are and show your passport and your
Speaker 3: ID and your thing and people writing and tanks in
Speaker 3: the street of Melbourne and helicopters flying.
Speaker 1: Like that's really it's full on yeah, and I can
Speaker 1: understand you're saying it's an Australian I'll also make the
Speaker 1: point though, it's just something we have never seen. It's
Speaker 1: you know, the last pandemic was over one hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: and it's you do need to do something about it.
Speaker 1: Like the people aren't, you know, aren't going to fix
Speaker 1: this themselves. Now, you know, people have really like these days,
Speaker 1: they want to say I'm left or I'm right, or
Speaker 1: I belong to this group and not that group. But
Speaker 1: if you tie yourself whole heart, like one hundred percent
Speaker 1: to any ideology, I think it's going to come back
Speaker 1: and bite you on the ass. Like this, this group
Speaker 1: basically becomes the Project Mayhem is launched, and it's all
Speaker 1: very exciting. It's you know, it's started by men just
Speaker 1: wanting to feel something. And then they start the anarchy
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, and then Tyler Durden takes all the
Speaker 1: principles of Project Mayhem, repackages it and sells it to them.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, they're all dressing the same.
Speaker 1: They shaved their heads.
Speaker 3: The change about when that guy his name was, what
Speaker 3: was his name.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to that. His name was Robert Paulson.
Speaker 4: That's right, This is a man and he has a name,
Speaker 4: and it's Robert Paulson.
Speaker 5: In death, a member of Project Mayhem has a name.
Speaker 5: His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert paul
Speaker 5: His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.
Speaker 1: Come is Robert.
Speaker 2: Robert.
Speaker 1: So it become like copies of copies of copies. As
Speaker 1: they've kind of rallying against you mentioned earlier, this idea.
Speaker 1: They've set up franchises of these fight clubs around the country.
Speaker 3: And I love that when he would be somewhere and
Speaker 3: he'd get the wink, that's I love that.
Speaker 1: That's what I really loved about that last third. That's
Speaker 1: like the you know, like the waiter and when he
Speaker 1: when he she orders the clam chowder and he checks
Speaker 1: that it's it's safe. Is basically they either piste in it.
Speaker 3: All, thank you so many, advice against the leader, heat and.
Speaker 1: The c chart, cancel the clam chat Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it is so good. But this this hobby has now
Speaker 1: become this kind of cult.
Speaker 3: And it's a runaway cult.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's it's exploding. And that one of the
Speaker 1: things the early things they did with the you know,
Speaker 1: the Project Mayhem was to that, and I really loved
Speaker 1: that the two Birds of One steing where they had
Speaker 1: to destroy a piece of corporate art and a franchise
Speaker 1: coffee shop at the same time. So they get that
Speaker 1: ball rolling into the coffee shop, which isn't Starbucks, the Startbucks.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of Starbucks apparently in every scene that
Speaker 1: can be spotted. Yeah, and Starbucks allowed it to happen,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want the ball to be rolling into
Speaker 1: a Starbucks. They drive line there, so it's a generic made.
Speaker 3: Up Starbucks allowed it to be happened.
Speaker 1: You still need you still need there because it's coffy, right,
Speaker 1: you still need to go and get the mission for
Speaker 1: this thing.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, but they wouldn't have been it wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been like they didn't pay to have their products.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's product placement as such. They
Speaker 1: just from understand they allowed it. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones allowed the Starbucks coffee cup to be
Speaker 1: the same. Game of Throne, there was a famous mistake
Speaker 1: where there was that's coffee an extra I know it's
Speaker 1: on it's on the table. These characters are having this
Speaker 1: big scene. There's a coffee but yeah, and the irony
Speaker 1: of that is it goes into this franchise you know, coffee,
Speaker 1: and then it's five clubs becoming a franchise in itself.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd love to be I've always wanted to
Speaker 3: be in a club, Yeah, but like the Groucho Marx thing,
Speaker 3: not in a club that would have me as a member,
Speaker 3: you know. Like I love the thought of a secret world.
Speaker 3: I love the thought of like going in somewhere and
Speaker 3: there's a secret hand and shake, or that people are
Speaker 3: just like that you know something that no one else knows. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'd find that such an attractive premise.
Speaker 1: But isn't that to draw it back a little bit
Speaker 1: to what's going on at the moment I find, whether
Speaker 1: it's protests about lockdown or the vaccine. I think a
Speaker 1: big part of it, yes, really out of the family
Speaker 1: part of a group.
Speaker 3: That you're in fight club and mate, when the coppers
Speaker 3: were flying over you in helicopters and coming at you
Speaker 3: and the head of your unions being protected now by bikis,
Speaker 3: you are in fight club. There was no doubt I
Speaker 3: understand that they had that adrenaline and that whatever and
Speaker 3: that rage.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I totally understand.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if rules one or two exists in
Speaker 1: their club though, No, well it must now Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they've gone.
Speaker 3: Really, they've had to go underground. I mean, if they
Speaker 3: still even exist, they're pretty well been pummeled.
Speaker 1: But again it became this thing where I think those protests,
Speaker 1: So for those of seeing who may be aware of it.
Speaker 1: In Australia, there were these protests against mandatory vexing of
Speaker 1: the building industry, and it seemed to be the first day,
Speaker 1: seem to be you know, a large percentage of trades
Speaker 1: genuinely protesting. And as the days went on, as as
Speaker 1: the protest became more widespread and a bit more vile,
Speaker 1: to the point where there was urinating on the Shrine
Speaker 1: of Remembrance that it seemed to be less genuine trades
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the high viz. Maybe we're a
Speaker 1: bit cleaner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, I don't you know what I don't know.
Speaker 3: A funny thing has happened which sort of ties back
Speaker 3: to the film. It's amazing, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 1: How I thought a lot about what's going on me too.
Speaker 3: The thing that strikes me most about this whole COVID
Speaker 3: situation or the mandatory VAX thing is the very people
Speaker 3: who taught us not to trust the government and not
Speaker 3: to trust big Farmer. Are the people now going, let's
Speaker 3: run with you? Why don't you trust the government? How
Speaker 3: do you not trust Big Farmer? And I'm like, but mate,
Speaker 3: you taught me. I've watched your shows over the years.
Speaker 3: I've seen the things that Firezer has done and the lawsuits.
Speaker 3: I know that the governments are capable of corruption and
Speaker 3: loving power, and you taught me that. And now you've
Speaker 3: become a little bitch acting like there's something wrong with
Speaker 3: me because I don't trust what you're telling me. Like
Speaker 3: there's been a real flip in such a short space
Speaker 3: of time that I haven't really mentally been able to
Speaker 3: get on board the if you're anti vax you're a
Speaker 3: bad person train. I just can't get on it because
Speaker 3: I understand why people have got these reservations, because we
Speaker 3: were taught to have them by when we had a
Speaker 3: free press.
Speaker 1: There's also I think there's I know exact what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I think there are people like Eastern Europeans, for example,
Speaker 1: I know quite for you, people who are eat in
Speaker 1: your pain, who do not want to get the vaccine.
Speaker 1: And and I've even just read articles and where there
Speaker 1: seems to be a theme another part of the world
Speaker 1: as well, where there is an innate trust of government
Speaker 1: because and it's based on a very real thing, distrust
Speaker 1: of distrust the government because of the they've lived, what
Speaker 1: they've lived and lived through here in Australia. As whatever
Speaker 1: you think of our prime minister, and there's many different
Speaker 1: views out there, I'm sure I don't think he's trying
Speaker 1: to kill us. No, no, no, no, whatever you thought
Speaker 1: of the previous prime minister and the one before that.
Speaker 3: That's right, it's not specifically this one, but there is
Speaker 3: a pattern of oh, look, I think there's a general
Speaker 3: sense of back to the film, a diminishment of the
Speaker 3: autonomy that people feel over their own lives. And even
Speaker 3: if you look at like Hong Kong, the protest movement
Speaker 3: in Hong Kong, all those things that we've been sold
Speaker 3: as like, isn't this amazing Now because we've got this
Speaker 3: facial recognition technology, you can you don't even have to
Speaker 3: stop at the passpot thing. You can just walk through
Speaker 3: and they'll recognize you. Now, you see, when people have
Speaker 3: got something genuinely to protest about, as they do in
Speaker 3: Hong Kong, they can't because there's all those things that
Speaker 3: we were sold as being amazing, life changing. Oh you're
Speaker 3: a blood eye if you don't get on board with it.
Speaker 3: Are now used actually as tools of oppression. It's quite
Speaker 3: a phenomenal happening.
Speaker 1: There's a film that's popped on the TV the other
Speaker 1: day and I watched a bit of it and it
Speaker 1: drew my attention. It's a film called Love and Other
Speaker 1: Drugs with Jake, JILLN Hall and and Hathaway. It's it's
Speaker 1: not bad, but the villain in the film is Piza.
Speaker 1: He is basically you know, is.
Speaker 3: He the farmer rep Yes, I've seen.
Speaker 1: That fires signage all over through it.
Speaker 3: Oh really that would have been with the permission.
Speaker 1: As well, have to be, I imagine, But I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how that would have happened. I have seen it
Speaker 1: before and I didn't watch all of it, and it's
Speaker 1: largely about you know, it's about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm sure most audiences just watch it
Speaker 1: for the sexual chemistry between Jake, Jill Hall and Hathaway.
Speaker 1: They really go for it. But I can't forget even
Speaker 1: where it ends up. But certainly Fires is not painted
Speaker 1: in a good in a fluttering light.
Speaker 3: Well, they never have been, No, No, which is not
Speaker 3: to say that pharmaceutical companies haven't done amazing things. We
Speaker 3: know they have. But we also know that if you
Speaker 3: ever want to know the truth of a situation, follow
Speaker 3: the money, and at the moment the money leads to
Speaker 3: Phizer or these farmer companies, that suddenly who's done well
Speaker 3: out of the pandemic Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 1: Jerry Harvey, Jerry Dan Murphy's, Dan.
Speaker 3: Dan Murphy's and Firesa Yeah, top four hundred Forbes company.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad fires I came up with a vaccine.
Speaker 1: I'll put that out there as I'm glad the Asheseneka
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if might A ten would.
Speaker 3: Have got there exactly. And I think you're right, But
Speaker 3: I'm also like, even then things have like the trashing
Speaker 3: of a Z or whatever, which is you know we
Speaker 3: were talking about on the project that that's four dollars
Speaker 3: a dose. The fireser is twenty dollars a dose. Who
Speaker 3: trashed a Z? Like you don't hear anything about the
Speaker 3: myocarditist that fires are causes in. Like there's two kids
Speaker 3: from one of my son's school in hospital, young men
Speaker 3: who have got that. You don't hear anything about that
Speaker 3: but you heard all about the blood clots from az
Speaker 3: of whose benefit is it? Just do the clock talk? Like,
Speaker 3: I just don't. I just think it's it's almost too
Speaker 3: much to stay aware, Like the people in that film,
Speaker 3: it's too much try and stay on top of everything.
Speaker 3: And they didn't even have mobile phones in that film.
Speaker 1: No, Well, this is this is this is pre social media.
Speaker 1: This is pre Twitter's, pre Instagram's, pre Facebook, I think,
Speaker 1: And it.
Speaker 3: Is amazing, it feels so contemporary despite that.
Speaker 1: But but I think because I think one of the
Speaker 1: points they're making is a really simple point is that
Speaker 1: whether you hit yourself to a capitalist society or a
Speaker 1: fascist society, you are just a number. So you are
Speaker 1: you're either something to be sold to, yeah yeah, or
Speaker 1: you're something to live under. You know, you are living
Speaker 1: under a dictator, or you are living under the oppression
Speaker 1: of consumerism.
Speaker 3: And when the capitalism becomes the fascism or the communism
Speaker 3: becomes the fascism, where do humans turn. They go to
Speaker 3: fight club.
Speaker 1: They go to fight club, and then and but then
Speaker 1: fight club kind of starts, yeah, to become betraying itsel.
Speaker 3: To become the thing that it hated.
Speaker 1: Even the entry exam if you like, or the initiation
Speaker 1: is to stand outside, to be isolated outside when all
Speaker 1: you're wanting is connection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that you call people sir, yes, but sir yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's it's they become like a parody of.
Speaker 3: What they actually he's anyone. Have you ever had a fight.
Speaker 1: There was one fight when I was younger outside of
Speaker 1: a pub with with that with you. Yeah, but to
Speaker 1: be honest, the punch that he landed on me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the punch I landed on him. You know where
Speaker 1: Ed Norton goes to hit brad Pitt. You want me
Speaker 1: to do you just want me to hit you, fir
Speaker 1: Why why? I don't know why. I don't know. Never
Speaker 1: been a fight, you.
Speaker 3: Know, But that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: Like in the base, surprise me, mother fuck hit me
Speaker 2: in the ear?
Speaker 4: Well, jesus, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I sucked it up.
Speaker 3: Oh that was perfect.
Speaker 1: Directly actually went up to him and David. He just
Speaker 1: said me him and hit him in the ear. So
Speaker 1: Bradbit did not know that was coming. So yes, he was.
Speaker 1: He was told to hit him, mishit him and hit
Speaker 1: him in the air. Not so why he was supposed
Speaker 1: to hit him. It was just a couple of the
Speaker 1: jaw or whether he wasn't even going to hit him
Speaker 1: or not. But yes, there you go.
Speaker 3: I did love as well when Ed Norton would go
Speaker 3: into work because he was just he was such a
Speaker 3: wage monkey. When he began to assert himself in the
Speaker 3: workplace before he even stepped to his boss. I just
Speaker 3: meant when he went in and you saw that his
Speaker 3: posture was different, he was with his black eye. I
Speaker 3: just love the thought of going into just such a
Speaker 3: conventional workplace where you know, we're all sheeple, aren't we,
Speaker 3: Where suddenly you feel like you're not one of the
Speaker 3: sheeple sitting there with your black eye.
Speaker 1: Well, it's and that was one of the seeds of
Speaker 1: this entire movie. So the author, the author of the book,
Speaker 1: I'm going to chuck, Chuck Palanuk.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes of authors you see the name written actually here,
Speaker 1: but Palaanyuk. He went camping with some friends and there
Speaker 1: were some people in the nearby campsite who the music
Speaker 1: was being played too loud, so he went over to
Speaker 1: ask him to turn it down. They did not take
Speaker 1: kindly to that. They got into a fight. He was
Speaker 1: beaten up, and then the next day or the monday after,
Speaker 1: he went to work with all these sketches and bruises
Speaker 1: over him, and nobody asked him.
Speaker 3: What happened because they were too like, it's to there
Speaker 3: be monsters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just also did not want that connection.
Speaker 1: They just wanted to, you know, pretend it wasn't happening,
Speaker 1: do their own thing. Yeah. So that was the first
Speaker 1: seed of the movie.
Speaker 3: You know, you said that it was like when you
Speaker 3: got into the fight outside the pub years ago, which
Speaker 3: which who were you in the scenario? Were you the
Speaker 3: ear puncher did you get so?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sorry, both punches were ear punch average. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: neither of you already hit the ground. It's one of
Speaker 1: those ones where we're very relieved that our friends came
Speaker 1: up to save Ego. And it's it's and I can't
Speaker 1: even tell you many years later, twenty eight years later,
Speaker 1: probably how it started while we were there outside of
Speaker 1: the party.
Speaker 3: Lead up, the lead up outside the part is probably
Speaker 3: the clue.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, it was born.
Speaker 3: It's always drunkenness. It's always drunk.
Speaker 1: It's it's silly. I'm not a fighter by nation, oh
Speaker 1: not at all. Yes, And as a father of three boys.
Speaker 1: It kind of that memory almost terrifies me, even somebody
Speaker 1: who I very rarely. My blood boils very seldomly, and
Speaker 1: for that to happen, I'm like, Okay, just remember that
Speaker 1: can happen to anyone.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I have three boys as well, I've
Speaker 3: never thought about teaching them about fighting or not fighting.
Speaker 3: You know, you must have to have a conversation with
Speaker 3: boys about I.
Speaker 1: Was talking about about walking away. You never know what
Speaker 1: the other person either has on them.
Speaker 3: What their intentions are, what the state of mind in the.
Speaker 1: Mind is, so you know, and this is I got
Speaker 1: into my fight before the rise. It's seemingly of knives
Speaker 1: and ice, ice and also mobile phones, where let's film, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: let's fight.
Speaker 3: So otherwise you could have made fight class.
Speaker 1: I would have broken all the rules. I want to
Speaker 1: take my shirt off.
Speaker 3: You would have been meat life.
Speaker 1: Did you realize you said you knew that going in
Speaker 1: about the rule. Yes, I'd even forgotten how many rules
Speaker 1: they were in my mind. It kind of ended after that.
Speaker 1: It was the professional of fight club. Don't talk about
Speaker 1: five club. The second rule of fight club. You don't
Speaker 1: talk about fight club. It turns out there's eight rules.
Speaker 3: I can't remember any of them.
Speaker 1: Oh I hang on, I'll remind you. Right, let's fight
Speaker 1: the rules of five club.
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, Welcome to fight club. The first rule of fight
Speaker 2: club is you do not talk about fight club. Second
Speaker 2: rule of fight club is you do not talk about
Speaker 2: fight club. Third rule of fight club someone y else stop,
Speaker 2: goes limped, taps out.
Speaker 1: The fight is over.
Speaker 2: Fourth rule, only two guys to fight. Fifth rule, one
Speaker 2: fight at a time fellas. Sixth rule, no shirts, no shoes.
Speaker 2: Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they
Speaker 2: have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this
Speaker 2: is your first night at fight.
Speaker 1: Club, you have to fight.
Speaker 3: That is such brilliant writing. You know what it reminded
Speaker 3: me of is that William Goldman adventures in the screen
Speaker 3: Try Yes, where he writes about maybe he doesn't write
Speaker 3: about it. I think did he did terminate it? Didn't?
Speaker 3: He was a script doctor on he did.
Speaker 1: He did a lot of script doctrine. He did Cashi
Speaker 1: to something. Also did the Princess Bride.
Speaker 3: I think it was the Terminator where they he became
Speaker 3: like a sort of a not a joke, but a
Speaker 3: legend in screenwriting. Circles because he got five hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a word for script doctor, and because he wrote
Speaker 3: I'll be back right and and first rule of fight
Speaker 3: Club is on par with that.
Speaker 1: Well, I find it extraordinary. Like sometimes when there are
Speaker 1: lines that become getting to the zio iconic iconic lines,
Speaker 1: you think they must have been stoked when they wrote that, Yes,
Speaker 1: how do they know, Like they just don't know. How
Speaker 1: do you know that I'll be back becomes because I
Speaker 1: love It's got to do with the way Arnold Schwarzenegger
Speaker 1: delivers that, the way Brad Pitt delivers this ism in
Speaker 1: this film, of course.
Speaker 3: And then nothing's worse than in films when you can
Speaker 3: see they've tried to make it happen where you can't
Speaker 3: tell that they've gone, oh, that'll be there, that'll be sticky.
Speaker 1: Well, if you think, if you think most most iconic
Speaker 1: lines in movies, they're not Oscar Wild type witticisms. They
Speaker 1: are just quite simple and it's about the moment more
Speaker 1: often than that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that is phenomenal. The first
Speaker 3: rule of fight Club. I have said it myself so
Speaker 3: many times, just as you know, everyone always gets it
Speaker 3: in the room. Probably many people like me have not
Speaker 3: seen the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this podcast quite often somebody's gone. Now. I understand
Speaker 1: all those Simpsons references because Simon's parodied so much like
Speaker 1: Citizen Kane and The Shining for example. There's been multiple
Speaker 1: episides where they've parodied those films, and I'm sure they've
Speaker 1: done They've done Fight Club. I've got some fun facts
Speaker 1: before we wind up, Cake Lan Rook. You want some
Speaker 1: fun facts. Who doesn't want a fun fa love fun facts?
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Helena Helena at bottom Carter, she's greater
Speaker 1: than she's great.
Speaker 3: She's I always find her great. She's often in an
Speaker 3: entirely different production, but doing your own wardrobe like just amazing.
Speaker 3: She's kind of like the Dark Goblin, like Tilda Swinton
Speaker 3: in terms of the fact that they're just so authentic
Speaker 3: and not retail.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, one thing I did, I must say, watching
Speaker 1: the film back last night, I did think I was
Speaker 1: almost shocked. And this is silly, and I'm being silly
Speaker 1: for saying it, but I'm shocked that we didn't see
Speaker 1: the twists coming. There are so many references, really well,
Speaker 1: even in that first first line, the narrators is I
Speaker 1: know this because Tyler knows this. Now, that's something that
Speaker 1: you don't pick up on first view. But there are
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of little references that of course once
Speaker 1: you once you know what, you see it all. So
Speaker 1: that's why I say I'm being silly. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving the no.
Speaker 3: But that's always a twist. When you go back and
Speaker 3: watch a film with a twist, it's like sixth seens, but.
Speaker 1: It's all subtle things in sixth sense. It's almost like
Speaker 1: it is giving you a big nudge in that direction.
Speaker 3: But that wasn't your fun fact about bottom Car and.
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt recorded three days. They took the record orgasm
Speaker 1: sounds for their for their sex scenes. Oh really, yes,
Speaker 1: three days seems excessive. David Fincher is somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: like to go from multiple takes. I feel like that
Speaker 1: might have been taken it.
Speaker 3: But they was so extreme those sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because it was supposed to be like mad
Speaker 1: mad and this is like rutting is what he believes.
Speaker 1: You know a woman once and what for a man
Speaker 1: you need to be that you know full on? It
Speaker 1: needed to break through the wall to be alpha. Also,
Speaker 1: the sex scene was shot in the using the same
Speaker 1: bullet time technique as the Matrix was. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny that the same techniques use. Matrix gets all the
Speaker 1: credit because it's probably using a more interesting way. Possibly, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he was using the same technology. Helen the bottom
Speaker 1: Carter got the wardrobe and the makeup artist to apply
Speaker 1: her eye makeup with her left hand because.
Speaker 3: She thought so it looks kind of naive and raw.
Speaker 1: Yes, nice touch.
Speaker 3: Why didn't she just apply herself?
Speaker 1: Well, because somebody she doesn't do something out of the job.
Speaker 3: Somebody still had to towsle her hair and put her
Speaker 3: in those platform shoes.
Speaker 1: She was almost going to be played by Reese with
Speaker 1: a spoon. They wanted Reese with a spoon, but she
Speaker 1: was considered too young. Oh my, and she thought it
Speaker 1: was too dark and actually knocked it back.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Imagine legally blonde.
Speaker 3: Doing But it's funny because in her body of what
Speaker 3: she's increasingly allows herself to be dark. It's not dark
Speaker 3: like Bottom Carter. It's it's kind of a twist on
Speaker 3: the girl next door dark.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's not that, she's really reaching the more interesting
Speaker 1: places the older she gets. Wow, roseo O'donald gave basically
Speaker 1: saw the film, was disturbed by it, and basically told
Speaker 1: her audience she had the daytime show. I think at
Speaker 1: the time I told her audience not to see it
Speaker 1: and gave away the ending, just.
Speaker 3: To really put a bow on it. Yes, why would
Speaker 3: she be disturbed by it?
Speaker 1: It's I guess a lot of people do find it
Speaker 1: really full on. The violence is full on. And if
Speaker 1: you then if you don't go along with the premisil
Speaker 1: premise of it. I guess right, I said I the
Speaker 1: first time I saw it, and even the second time
Speaker 1: I saw it, I was a bit respected it. I
Speaker 1: never walk away. I respect the ambition of the films,
Speaker 1: even if they're not as ambitious as this.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and I love you know what I love.
Speaker 3: I love an idea. I don't have to agree with
Speaker 3: an idea, but I love someone having an idea that
Speaker 3: and that film is definitely an idea, and it's an
Speaker 3: idea that has not dated. No, it's in fact, it
Speaker 3: was like it was prophetic.
Speaker 1: The David Fincher also mass speaking of other actresses with
Speaker 1: Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Yes, so this is as she's filming Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: So she's filming Seinfeld, she meets you, David Fincher, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: David Fincher gets the impression she has no idea who
Speaker 1: he is, even though he's directed seven and the Game.
Speaker 1: He says, as if she wouldn't know, well, you would
Speaker 1: think the bad management.
Speaker 3: No, no, she would totally know. She's got so culturally.
Speaker 1: Might have been some miscommunication. And he said he felt
Speaker 1: like a fucking loser in his words.
Speaker 3: Really that was personal, got personal personal.
Speaker 1: Tyler Dirton appears in five scenes very quickly before we
Speaker 1: see him. We first see him on the escalator, I
Speaker 1: think at the.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, at the airport. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But he appears five times before that, very quickly.
Speaker 1: It's blinking. You'll miss it, and if you don't belink,
Speaker 1: you don't miss it. So he's at the photo copy
Speaker 1: for one twenty fourth of a second. Oh, he's in
Speaker 1: the hallway of the doctor's office. He's at the testicular
Speaker 1: testicular support.
Speaker 3: I think I saw him somewhere. Could I have seen
Speaker 3: him with my naked eye, Yeah, yeah, because he was
Speaker 3: very distinctive.
Speaker 1: And he's behind Edward Norton when Marlin leaves the one
Speaker 1: of the meetings and he's also on the video on
Speaker 1: the far right, when the narrator it was not checks
Speaker 1: into the hotel.
Speaker 3: No, I wonder I was so confused. I was confused
Speaker 3: for the last twotho that film. I was very confused.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 3: I just realized another clue when Edward Noughton says to
Speaker 3: him on the plane, Oh, look, we've got the same briefcase. Yes,
Speaker 3: and I thought there was going to be some briefcase
Speaker 3: mix up. But of course, yeah, I thought there was
Speaker 3: going to be that, and then he was going to
Speaker 3: get the briefcase home. I forgot that. I thought that,
Speaker 3: and that never happened. But that was obviously a clue.
Speaker 3: Maybe it feels a bit retro fitted that they needed
Speaker 3: to put more clues in along the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do find it really fascinating. Like what than
Speaker 1: the Raider does for a living, So he attends crash
Speaker 1: sites and works out, Yeah, basically, so it does make
Speaker 1: sense that he's had this awakening, even though you don't notice.
Speaker 1: You see the moment, you see the apartment exploding. You're
Speaker 1: working on what that means later on, But he's had
Speaker 1: this awakening of like basically, and he tells that woman
Speaker 1: on the plane that what I do like that the
Speaker 1: company won't do a recall if it's not going to
Speaker 1: be effective, despite knowing that hundreds might die. So I
Speaker 1: like that they put him in a job where its.
Speaker 3: Ways raised his consciousness. Yes, is that a fun fact?
Speaker 1: I mean some of the fun facts. I mean, Daddy,
Speaker 1: I think the fun fades more are facts some of us.
Speaker 1: Some are just facts creep into the fun facts. It's
Speaker 1: the detectives who tried to cars straight Edward Norton Detectives, Andrew,
Speaker 1: Detective Kevin and Detective Walker named after a writer who
Speaker 1: wrote seven Andrew Kevin Walker, and he did an incredited rewrite,
Speaker 1: as did Cameron Crowe actually on Fine Clubs.
Speaker 3: So as a nod, it's nice.
Speaker 1: It is nice. It is nice. And there was a
Speaker 1: line that the Fox executive freaked out when this happened
Speaker 1: like this movie, like they it's like, didn't you read
Speaker 1: the freaking scripts? Like so when this happens, is what
Speaker 1: you expecting the fight or the fight stuff that you
Speaker 1: may have expected. You didn't read a script, you didn't
Speaker 1: commission this. So when they saw it and all this
Speaker 1: kind of consumerism stuff and you know, revolutions and that
Speaker 1: they were a bit shocks. And this is also in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine The Millennium Bug, which is weird now,
Speaker 1: but there was genuine anxiety around came Ye, so they
Speaker 1: kind of freaked out. There was one line that they
Speaker 1: this is the only, I think concession that David Fincher
Speaker 1: made one of the executives. There was a line that
Speaker 1: after they have sex and Marla says, oh, Tyler, it's
Speaker 1: what the original line was, I want to have your abortion,
Speaker 1: and that had to go to that had to go,
Speaker 1: so David Finch. David Fincher said, I will change it,
Speaker 1: but whatever I changed it to, it stays right telling.
Speaker 1: So the line that he changed it to is I
Speaker 1: haven't been.
Speaker 4: Fucked like that sweets.
Speaker 3: That's right, a great life.
Speaker 1: They hate it even more than like not too late,
Speaker 1: too late. I've changed and that is it. The one
Speaker 1: final note, I just want to mate. Is for a
Speaker 1: pretty grim film. There is there is like that sense
Speaker 1: of optimism, grimly executed optimism of the end where you
Speaker 1: can still be an individual. You can choose not to
Speaker 1: follow this group. It's never too late to get out
Speaker 1: and become the individual. When he shoots himself in the
Speaker 1: face and and therefore killing Tyler Tyler dirt and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how he worked that out.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't kill himself does he know?
Speaker 1: So he's still how did he do that?
Speaker 3: Did Tyler just live in the left?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he aimed for the cheek or something,
Speaker 1: because he seems to be one signe seems to be
Speaker 1: more affected than the other. So yeah, I like the
Speaker 1: idea that you can still be an individual. Is I think,
Speaker 1: is the final message of the film well done? Do
Speaker 1: you think that? Do you agree?
Speaker 3: I just I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It did feel surprisingly optimistic, didn't it.
Speaker 1: It was for someone op domestic, considering he just shot
Speaker 1: himself in the face.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I assumed that he was going to die.
Speaker 3: And then suddenly when he gets up and he's like,
Speaker 3: I know, I'm fine. How was he fine?
Speaker 1: I laugh got a bit when when they're coming in,
Speaker 1: yet I was amusing and little.
Speaker 3: Did we know that his career was not going to
Speaker 3: be fine?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I don't think he's had a bad career.
Speaker 3: No, but just as we compeared earlier, the ascendancy of
Speaker 3: one career versus the other on What's Been you know,
Speaker 3: it was a huge film.
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt is a movie star. Yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if I think is trapped between that character, actor and
Speaker 1: movie starting somewhere in between.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes. And also I just think the voiceover was
Speaker 3: too long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was too long and too flo very. It
Speaker 1: was very talky, and I think when I first saw it,
Speaker 1: I'm not nihilistic, I'm not particularly cynical, so a lot
Speaker 1: of it was just like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like just sort of washing over you, like
Speaker 3: a sort of dank tied.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I watched it. When I watched it with
Speaker 1: things that are going on around us, I took more
Speaker 1: in and it felt more real to me than it
Speaker 1: did twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm very glad I got to see it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you watched it, and I thank you
Speaker 1: for doing your homework. And I mentioned it in the
Speaker 1: in the introduction. But just one final reminder that chow
Speaker 1: Bella is in bookstores right now. Congratulations, you have written
Speaker 1: a book. It is starting book.
Speaker 3: I've written a book that was my own personal fight club.
Speaker 1: I imagine it was so lockdown when basically at the
Speaker 1: front line of the pandemic Italy was there for a
Speaker 1: little while.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, first place after China.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, so your holiday, your dream holiday, your vacation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gap years. Yeah, it was amazing. But then there
Speaker 3: was what we thought was the hard year. The first
Speaker 3: year with no pandemic was actually the great year, and
Speaker 3: in fact the pandemic year was a great year as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All, you know, we had to see the bright side.
Speaker 1: You had to find the little winds along the way.
Speaker 1: And I think spending time even though I've got your
Speaker 1: four kids, you're a couple uh one ahead of me
Speaker 1: on that scale.
Speaker 3: You've got three kids, four You've got four kids, and
Speaker 3: Edward Norton and your Charla Durdon and you're really made.
Speaker 3: Oh my, that where they come.
Speaker 1: I think I've said that, I've said that before, made
Speaker 1: that mistake before. Maybe I do have a kid out
Speaker 1: there that I'm.
Speaker 3: Not aware of, a man easily.
Speaker 1: Course, I feel like I put that out in the world.
Speaker 3: Did you ever have sex with Helena and she said
Speaker 3: to you, I want you to father my abortion.
Speaker 1: I think I may have and maybe she didn't. No, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know, you spending time with the kids was
Speaker 1: you know, it was in a way of blessing.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. It was time that hopefully touch Wood
Speaker 3: over that they're already softening, softening us up for the
Speaker 3: next pandemic, aren't they. Oh, there'll be another one there.
Speaker 1: We'll get through it together because we're together and now
Speaker 1: we know what we need to do.
Speaker 3: Just get a vaccine. We've got a new one. Fire
Speaker 3: we heaven, new run. Jake gillenhol will sell it to you.
Speaker 1: You know it'll be I think there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of pivoting going on with companies might have ten, but
Speaker 1: the next pandemic might a ten. Will be giving Bunnings,
Speaker 1: not just getting jab there, but actually whoever.
Speaker 3: Whatever companies have survived, yeah, will have It's like how
Speaker 3: everyone started selling hand sanitizer and face masks.
Speaker 1: Speaking of things that have survived, I've made a booking
Speaker 1: for us to go have lunch. So let's do that.
Speaker 3: Okay. I'm not going to fuck you, Einstein. I'm just
Speaker 3: telling you that from their jump.
Speaker 1: We'll disorder. Thank you so much. You are one of
Speaker 1: my absolute faiths, Katie, and congratulations on the board.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be a part of this. I
Speaker 3: didn't think I had enough knowledge about films, but you
Speaker 3: have the art of making whatever people bring to the table,
Speaker 3: you make it seem like it's the greatest gift they
Speaker 3: could have brought. It's a very amazing knack you have.
Speaker 1: Well, what's is you about this podcast? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never asked what you thought of the film before
Speaker 1: we start talking. I don't ask what your three favorite
Speaker 1: films are. And so it's it's it's not. And sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm still processing a film, so I'm still like
Speaker 1: learning and kind of taking in what my guess is
Speaker 1: telling me, and like that's still someone's influencing what I
Speaker 1: think about a film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so that's what I was. And and let
Speaker 3: me just say this. Tonight, when you and Bridge it
Speaker 3: are watching Fester.
Speaker 1: And Fester and what a date night, I might do
Speaker 1: a Fester and Breaking the Waves, double.
Speaker 3: Breaking the Waves. Okay, I've just got to tell you this.
Speaker 3: I saw Breaking the Waves with when they still had
Speaker 3: the Lumier Cinema in Melbourne, Film Lovers Cinema that of course,
Speaker 3: the Film Lovers had the tiniest screen you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: It was before they invented iPhones, but the screen was
Speaker 3: about that size. Anyway, I went with an ex boyfriend
Speaker 3: of mine who you know, mad, a mad, brilliant creature
Speaker 3: but mad who started views, who started yelling at the screen?
Speaker 1: Take it off? Take it off?
Speaker 3: Just what was he yelling?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: That's not on? At the end when the father gets
Speaker 3: the vile father who.
Speaker 1: To be honestly, the only thing I remember about her
Speaker 1: films as a large as almos. The first time i'd
Speaker 1: seen Emily Watson, I remember thinking she's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: But Emily Watson, Yes, oh my goodness, yes, I didn't
Speaker 3: know that, and I did. Was that what's her name?
Speaker 3: Tilda Swinton postpartum with her twins.
Speaker 1: In that possibly I think she.
Speaker 3: Did a scene showing her body because she is an
Speaker 3: extraordinary actor allowed herself to be filmed naked postpartum from
Speaker 3: having just given birth to twins.
Speaker 1: She's extraordinary.
Speaker 3: She's the opposite of Brad pitt I.
Speaker 1: I I accept what you're saying. She's extraordinary actress and artist.
Speaker 3: I think anyway, this madman that I was going out with,
Speaker 3: who starts yelling when the hideous evil father who's just
Speaker 3: done an unspeakable thing involving a baby, You just can't
Speaker 3: even conceive that you're in that anyway. So he's yelling
Speaker 3: out at the screen, and I'm like, because we're in
Speaker 3: there with film lovers. It's not like you're at you know,
Speaker 3: village on a Saturday night going Transformers. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 3: look though, turning to other things. And so I was like,
Speaker 3: and he said why, And I said, because because there's
Speaker 3: other people here. He goes, And I still to this
Speaker 3: day don't know if he's right or not. He goes.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I've paid my money, not theirs.
Speaker 1: Well, some cinemas, if you've been through the movies in
Speaker 1: the States, very interactive, the spectator sport as.
Speaker 3: You see Queen the Teeth of film there with a
Speaker 3: largely black audience, and it was the most social thing
Speaker 3: I've witnessed to see.
Speaker 1: A comedy in a place on New York with you know,
Speaker 1: a largely like black audience. Yeah, they are the best
Speaker 1: to watch it. I saw and Adam sand and Kevin
Speaker 1: James film. It might have been the one where they
Speaker 1: pretended to be gay to get a conversation or something.
Speaker 3: Every country's got a version of that.
Speaker 1: There's no other way of me enjoying that film than
Speaker 1: the way I experienced it, which is in New York
Speaker 1: with people watching that. You go there, you did that?
Speaker 1: He just did that? Oh no, he didn't.
Speaker 3: I think if you as a stand up, if you
Speaker 3: had if you're American and you had a black audience,
Speaker 3: what you would leave feeling like a king, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3: They're so alive in their appreciation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even sometimes when you're in He'll be leaving a
Speaker 1: leaving a subway in New York. And there was a
Speaker 1: gentleman who's the information booth and he was a mess
Speaker 1: theatrical Yes, yes, yes, And there's a joy that just
Speaker 1: is so infectious where we try to avoid, you know,
Speaker 1: anyone who can approaches us in Melbourne. This is just
Speaker 1: like you avoid them. I'm right. Yeah, but this guy
Speaker 1: was singing, dancing. You know, he is a legend. Kate.
Speaker 1: We got booking, so let's let's go. But thank you
Speaker 1: so much for talking fight club. Hopefully we don't get
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 3: Why don't we go and have a fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Break.
Speaker 3: One of the rules of fight club is one of
Speaker 3: the rules about no women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're already broken.
Speaker 3: That's just a general Hollywood rule.
Speaker 1: Oh my job out you fuck fight club.
Speaker 4: Fuck Marla.
Speaker 1: I am sick of all your shit. Okay, okay, we're
Speaker 1: screwing around. There you go. They told us not to
Speaker 1: talk about fight club as one of the rules, but
Speaker 1: we broke that rule absolutely. Kate Lainbrook. I love hanging
Speaker 1: out with Kate. She always brings fresh perspectives and surprising
Speaker 1: perspectives as well, So thanks Kate. Chow Balla is a brilliant,
Speaker 1: brilliant read. It is a perfect summer book if you
Speaker 1: if you haven't got to it, and if you're as
Speaker 1: summer begins to close out a little bit, chow Balla
Speaker 1: is her book and it's been an absolute smash hit.
Speaker 1: So Congress Station's Kate, and thanks for joining us. Carsway Studios.
Speaker 1: We are recording here even though you know we are
Speaker 1: connected with the iHeartRadio network. Now nothing really has changed.
Speaker 1: Carsway Studios is still where we record and we're produced
Speaker 1: here by Derek Myers. Derek, have you been to a
Speaker 1: fight club?
Speaker 6: Well, it feels like growing out in the out eastern suburbs.
Speaker 6: I should say yes, I have been a fight club,
Speaker 6: which is any sort of seventeenth birthday party in Baronia,
Speaker 6: but no, nothing so organized as that. In fact, I
Speaker 6: went to my first ever boxing proper boxing match last
Speaker 6: year because a friend of mine was doing it to
Speaker 6: get fit, and it was just bizarre, right, we just
Speaker 6: watching people hit each other.
Speaker 4: It's just surreal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it, to be honest. I don't
Speaker 1: you think when you're younger, you you know, there's that
Speaker 1: kind of bloodlust you have to see a fight, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's a fight in the school yards, a fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 1: But when you actually see somebody to get hit, it
Speaker 1: is so sickening. I don't really get into those sports
Speaker 1: as much, even though I full respect for the the
Speaker 1: athletes that put themselves through what they need to do
Speaker 1: to get what needs to be done done. But anyway,
Speaker 1: if you want to if you want to get a
Speaker 1: podcast going, this is a place to do. A Castwaystudios
Speaker 1: dot com there are I'll tell you what the traffic
Speaker 1: that's gone through this studio since we started. I mean
Speaker 1: it was already heaps of people going through before I
Speaker 1: got here, and then it's getting bigger and bigger and
Speaker 1: more people like using Castaways Studios to record their podcast.
Speaker 1: Derek does a great job. So get in touch with
Speaker 1: Derek at castways Studios dot com whether you are in
Speaker 1: Melbourne or if you are anywhere else in the world.
Speaker 1: In fact, he can he can hook you up. So Derek,
Speaker 1: we've got this. I call it the smoke pipe, but
Speaker 1: what actually is it?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm calling it a speak pipe.
Speaker 1: What they call it, that's what they call I'm being
Speaker 1: I'm being full forty six year old man calling it
Speaker 1: a smoke pipe, but it's a speak pipe. And if
Speaker 1: you want to actually send us a message where we
Speaker 1: can hear your voice and get your voice on the podcast,
Speaker 1: which we would love to hear, we'd love the emails
Speaker 1: as well. You can email us at yasny Podcasts at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com, but we love hearing your voice. So
Speaker 1: how do they do that? Derek?
Speaker 6: Right, you can hit a link. We'll put a link
Speaker 6: in the show notes. Just hit that link and you'll
Speaker 6: see a website. You can literally just speak straight into
Speaker 6: that and drop a message. It's essentially like an answering machine.
Speaker 1: I remember those.
Speaker 6: But it just gives us the clips as we need them.
Speaker 6: Nice short clips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon about forty five seconds is what you
Speaker 1: maybe you're looking for. We're we probably won't be playing
Speaker 1: or we'll have to edit anything that goes much beyond that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we'd love to hear your voice. But Derek,
Speaker 1: we've got an old fashioned email from somebody today who
Speaker 1: we've got.
Speaker 6: Yes, this one's from Jason. Hey Jason, and it's titled
Speaker 6: looking forward to the Next EP, and Jason says, love
Speaker 6: the podcast. It's a good start, such easy listening and
Speaker 6: so informative.
Speaker 1: Well done, Thanks Jason.
Speaker 6: Can I suggest you get in touch with Josh Earl?
Speaker 1: Well, hang on a second. Jason obviously isn't up to
Speaker 1: date because Josh Earl was actually the very last episode
Speaker 1: that we did with the Josh Earl, the Taking of
Speaker 1: palam one two three. I love that episode. I loved
Speaker 1: hanging out with Josh. So why does Jason want us
Speaker 1: to get in touch with Josh Earl again?
Speaker 6: He mentioned recently that he hadn't seen Raiders.
Speaker 1: Of the Lost Dark. Oh okay, I didn't know there
Speaker 1: was anyone left that hadn't seen that. Well, funnily enough,
Speaker 1: I have found somebody who hasn't seen any of the
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones movies, and that is comedian Adam Rosenbark's comedian writer.
Speaker 1: So he will be joining us this series and he
Speaker 1: will be we'll be chatting about Raiders of the Lost Dark,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that will then lead into the Temple
Speaker 1: of Doom and the Last Crusade and then we'll decide
Speaker 1: whether we go further than that. But yes, okay, well yeah,
Speaker 1: we're Rosie will.
Speaker 6: Do that suggest get in touch with Josh and saying
Speaker 6: you better watch it soon because as an avid listener
Speaker 6: of this podcast, it'll be spoilt for it.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, we will keep diving in the Raiders at
Speaker 1: the Lost Dark.
Speaker 6: Jason goes on, if you're up for ideas for an episode,
Speaker 6: I've noticed some debate recently about which year is the
Speaker 6: best year in history for movies. You could explore a
Speaker 6: different year in each episode.
Speaker 1: It's a very good idea, Jason. I like that idea.
Speaker 1: You know, we've still a lot of movies to get through.
Speaker 1: And when I started this podcast, I thought, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder how many episodes this could sustain. How many classic
Speaker 1: movies are there? And you kind of think there are
Speaker 1: shes load of classic movies. So maybe when we exhaust
Speaker 1: all the classic movies, but they keep making new classic movies,
Speaker 1: we will look at that. There is a great book
Speaker 1: called nineteen ninety nine Best Movie Year Ever, and that
Speaker 1: is that has got strong claims to be the best
Speaker 1: movie year ever. The Matrix, I think came out that
Speaker 1: year Fight Club, funnily enough came out. That year you
Speaker 1: had movies of Magnolia. The sixth Sense Usual Suspects might
Speaker 1: have been ninety nine. The whole bunch of brilliant, brilliant
Speaker 1: films came out in nineteen ninety nine. It's a stale
Speaker 1: a year, a banner year. Next week we've got a
Speaker 1: banner episode for you. In fact, next week on the show,
Speaker 1: Lloyd Langford, very funny Welsh comedian now based in Australia.
Speaker 1: Fans of have you been paying attention in Australia and
Speaker 1: New Zealand would love and know his work. He's got
Speaker 1: a show that he is churing and those gonna be
Speaker 1: at the Maulti International Comedy Festival. Check him out. But
Speaker 1: next week Lloyd Langford will be discussing a movie that's
Speaker 1: come up a lot on this podcast. We're finally doing it.
Speaker 1: Somebody hasn't seen The Princess Bride, Rob Rainer's classic will
Speaker 1: get stuck into it. I'm excited to watch it again.
Speaker 1: As you know, I've had various chats about The Princess
Speaker 1: Bride on this podcast and I'll see if it's really
Speaker 1: really deeply resonates with me. This time, and we'll see
Speaker 1: how Lloyd feels about it as well. That's next week
Speaker 1: and you ain't seen nothing yet, Lloyd Langford and the
Speaker 1: Princess Bride. And so we leave old Pete save fan soul,
Speaker 1: and to our friends of the radio audience, we've been
Speaker 1: a pleasant good name.