Speaker 1: Gooday, Peter, hell Ay here, welcome to you Ain't Seeing
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet?
Speaker 2: The Movie Podcast, where I chat to a movie lover
Speaker 2: about a classical, beloved movie that haven't quite got around
Speaker 2: to watching until now.
Speaker 1: And today's guest, returning comedian Luke McGregor. You ever Dance
Speaker 1: with the Devil on the Benlight? I'm walking here, I'm
Speaker 1: walking here.
Speaker 3: Of all the gin joints in all the towns in
Speaker 3: all the world.
Speaker 1: She walks in the mine.
Speaker 3: Right, don't see nothing here.
Speaker 2: Luke McGregor has already been on this show, so I'm
Speaker 2: not going to give him another massive pump up because
Speaker 2: between us, Luke's ego is out of control, and why
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be. He's currently recording Series five of Rose
Speaker 2: Haven down in Tazzi and can be seen occasionally on
Speaker 2: The Project Usual, We Have a Problem and on Tinder.
Speaker 2: Luk is hilarious, whip smart, kind hearted, and he's our
Speaker 2: first returning guests. He's three favorite movies, he stated in
Speaker 2: last season, were Ghostbusters, The Bronx Tale, and Sonic the Hedgehog.
Speaker 1: Let's see how he goes this time?
Speaker 4: Hi, lud McGregor, here again, and my next three paper
Speaker 4: films tat the two Come with me if you want
Speaker 4: to live Return of the Dragon, Get Him and Jurassic
Speaker 4: Park and up until recently.
Speaker 5: I just saw The Godfather Part Too.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Colli Oonne family have relocated from New York
Speaker 2: to his son in Nevada. As Michael Collone, the head
Speaker 2: of the family played by Albert Cino, attempts to steer
Speaker 2: the family to legitimacy, because of course casinos.
Speaker 1: Are total legit.
Speaker 2: The Godfather Part two is part sequel, part prequel, and
Speaker 2: he's my favorite film of all time. All the big
Speaker 2: themes of right here, a power, control, family, the American dream, brotherhood, betrayal,
Speaker 2: and of course Olive Oil franchis for Coppola's classic is
Speaker 2: the greatest sequel of all time. Apologies to Empire, Strikes
Speaker 2: Back and Hot Shots Too. It won six Oscars out
Speaker 2: to be nominated for eleven for Best Picture, Robert de
Speaker 2: Niro won for Best Supporting Actor, Uh Friends of a
Speaker 2: Copple of one for Best Director, Writing, Art Direction, and
Speaker 2: they won for score as well. So, Luke McGregor, tell me,
Speaker 2: do you keep your friends close and your enemy is closer?
Speaker 4: I will now definitely. It was so good. Pete I
Speaker 4: knew it was going to be good, but I'm like
Speaker 4: I just watching, going, oh wow, this is a really
Speaker 4: good film.
Speaker 2: And surprise, wow, this this movie. I've heard so much
Speaker 2: about that all these years. Who widely claimed to be
Speaker 2: the greatest sequel of all time.
Speaker 1: He's actually really good?
Speaker 4: Oh it was, Yeah, it was, Yeah, it was. It
Speaker 4: was a good A good job, well done everyone involved.
Speaker 2: Maybe I know you're about to star shooting, you know,
Speaker 2: rose Haven series five, Maybe maybe get him around on
Speaker 2: day one and just give a little speech or write
Speaker 2: a little crewe note on the on the run sheheet
Speaker 2: on day one of the same guys hot tip check
Speaker 2: out Godfather Part two.
Speaker 4: I will and I'll say this guy's this guy's cultured,
Speaker 4: or I'll just completely rewrite it to be some sort
Speaker 4: of crime drama. It was. It was. I didn't realize
Speaker 4: how sad it would be. I mean, I knew it
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be a happy film, but it was
Speaker 4: so sad, like there's I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 4: you if you've got a plans to go into it
Speaker 4: section both section, but overall it was so much work
Speaker 4: and so much, so much stress to live not a
Speaker 4: happy life.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well I mean, let's get let's get into that.
Speaker 2: When we come back to it, I want to talk
Speaker 2: as we do, and it's a it's such a good point,
Speaker 2: and there's some big questions, and I said, this is
Speaker 2: my favorite film.
Speaker 1: I've seen it.
Speaker 2: I would have seen it probably a dozen times. It's
Speaker 2: one of those films. It's it's probably hard to watch,
Speaker 2: you know, like I've probably seen Star Wars closer to
Speaker 2: fifty times. It's probably harder to watch the god Father
Speaker 2: part too that many times. But I've seen it a lot,
Speaker 2: and watching it, knowing I was going to chat to
Speaker 2: you about, I watched it as I do with all
Speaker 2: the films for this podcast, a little differently, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe with even maybe a more critical eye. I do
Speaker 2: a little bit of deep diving as well. And some
Speaker 2: questions I just hadn't thought of. And that's one of
Speaker 2: the ones I have for you. Is what you just
Speaker 2: hit on. But let's go back to look at your
Speaker 2: favorite three other films.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad there's not like something The Hedgehog two.
Speaker 4: Or that was that was clearly that was a joke.
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure if that was. I just stayed
Speaker 4: in but that was that was a I mean, it
Speaker 4: wasn't a bad film, but it was top three No.
Speaker 1: So Terminator to.
Speaker 2: Talking about great sequels, I mean I think Terminator to
Speaker 2: Judgment Day is considered, you know, a step up from Terminator.
Speaker 4: I did too. I loved it just because it did
Speaker 4: and James Cameron did it again. I think with Aliens
Speaker 4: it's just see sort of what like the if the
Speaker 4: first the first one was kind of like that tribute
Speaker 4: to Slashes but with the technology future focus, and then
Speaker 4: the next film was this sort of action blockbuster that
Speaker 4: both worked. Both felt like they're in the same world,
Speaker 4: even though they were sort of leading on different genres.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember I saw that in the cinema.
Speaker 1: I was very excited.
Speaker 2: I was a big guns and Roses fan, and you
Speaker 2: could be. Mine was released on the User Illusion double
Speaker 2: albums and it was great. It was just like rarely
Speaker 2: like Godfather Part two kind of exists in the world
Speaker 2: you know of Godfather, you know part one, Like they
Speaker 2: kind of like esthetically they kind of are very similar.
Speaker 1: There's you know, different changing location.
Speaker 2: They go to Nevada and there's they spent some time
Speaker 2: in Cuba, which gives it a bit of a different field,
Speaker 2: but it kind of still feels where Terminator Too feels
Speaker 2: like it completely. You can see the increase in budget
Speaker 2: and the ambition of Terminator two compared to Terminator one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's kind of rare where you see a
Speaker 4: film that really expands its world and it's lower and
Speaker 4: it still works like it just it just makes it one,
Speaker 4: like it enriches the first one. I read something recently
Speaker 4: and it's going to annoy me because shouldn't have been
Speaker 4: brought it up because I can't even what it was.
Speaker 4: But it was like it was.
Speaker 2: Like there at a Judy bloom book. It was called
Speaker 2: The Tales of the Fourth Grade.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why what it's got to do the
Speaker 2: Eminated Too, but there it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say that I read stuff, but.
Speaker 1: You're in glasses leek. We know you read stuff.
Speaker 4: It's true. The fake it's a filter. Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: It was what The Godfather did. I felt was just
Speaker 4: that it made it expanded the world and just made
Speaker 4: it richer. And yeah it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah, great,
Speaker 2: great selection. Then you moved on to Return of the
Speaker 2: Dragons and Bruce Lee.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that was his third film, and there's just this
Speaker 4: scene where there's a bunch of guys come out. So
Speaker 4: he's outside of his restaurant in the back alley and
Speaker 4: these guys come out to fight him, and so he
Speaker 4: pulls out one nunchuck, and then a bunch of other
Speaker 4: guys come out to fight him, and so he pulls
Speaker 4: out a second nunchuck. It's just so good just to
Speaker 4: think that he's like, I won't pull out by it
Speaker 4: there's only three of them, and then when there's six,
Speaker 4: he's like, all right, I'll pull out the second one.
Speaker 4: I just love every bit about that film. And he
Speaker 4: even played an instrument on it from memory. She helped.
Speaker 4: He helped with the soundtracker.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I thought like during the movie he just
Speaker 2: slowed things down for the ladies and I got out.
Speaker 1: Of the guitar.
Speaker 4: The whole film is a thirst trap. Yeah, he it was. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just loved it. And the fight with Chuck Norris
Speaker 4: at the end, it is just amazing, especially where he
Speaker 4: pulls out his chest here and then blows it into
Speaker 4: the wind. I just don't you don't see that move
Speaker 4: enough on the on the school in the street parts.
Speaker 2: I really I got really fond memories of going to
Speaker 2: Greensboro a box store and renting out Bruce Lee like videos,
Speaker 2: and I could still I can still see them, but
Speaker 2: I can I never know kind of which ones that
Speaker 2: I've seen. I do remember the Chuck Norris fight, so
Speaker 2: obviously I've seen Return of the Dragon. Like I just
Speaker 2: end up like like every if you asked me that
Speaker 2: what Bruce Lee's movies are, I would just like make
Speaker 2: Dragon everywhere, like Return of the Dragon, Enter the Dragon,
Speaker 2: Exit the Dragon, Past the Dragon.
Speaker 1: All of his films got dragon in them.
Speaker 4: The Dragon was a great one digestive track of the Dragon.
Speaker 4: It was. There's the Big Boss, then there's Fatal Fatal Fury.
Speaker 4: That's a video game, not Fast and Furious. That's Fist
Speaker 4: and Fury. That's the one, then Return of the Dragon,
Speaker 4: then Into the Dragon. But it's kind of confusing because
Speaker 4: some of them have different names in different regions. So okay,
Speaker 4: I get lost as well ended in Game of Death,
Speaker 4: but he didn't finish it.
Speaker 1: And there's Way of the Dragon, Way of the Dragon,
Speaker 1: the Way of the Dragon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that might be different. That might be the name.
Speaker 4: There might be the alternat name of Return of the
Speaker 4: Dragon because he only did four full films, which was
Speaker 4: Big Boss, Fister.
Speaker 1: Fury, Into the Dragon, Into.
Speaker 4: The Dragon, and when Way or Return of the Dragon.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this Game of Death.
Speaker 4: Game of Death was the last one he did yet,
Speaker 4: were the one he didn't finish before he passed away.
Speaker 4: That's where he fights Kream Abdul Jabar.
Speaker 1: Isn't that space Jam?
Speaker 4: I think they're based in the same universe.
Speaker 1: No, what like?
Speaker 2: So, how did I know There's been a great doco
Speaker 2: on Bruce Lee that came out recently. I haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: and I should know more considering I remember being really
Speaker 2: fascinated Bruce Lee for it. I must say it felt
Speaker 2: like a reasonably short period of times like I watched
Speaker 2: his films and maybe because they weren't more Bruce Lee
Speaker 2: movies coming out, I kind of just, you know, just
Speaker 2: kind of moved on.
Speaker 4: And he really he really stopped baking them after he died.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where your manager has to take over. Well, holograms,
Speaker 2: holograms are gonna you know, they're getting better.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Forward to you know, our kids that we had to
Speaker 2: sit down, grand kids, We had to sit down and
Speaker 2: watch some great new Bruce Lee releases.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the inevitable march towards I guess,
Speaker 4: not needing any of us anymore.
Speaker 2: Did you Did you enjoy the Bruce Lee in Have
Speaker 2: you seen Quentin Tarantinos Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: I did? Yeah, And I read here because I was,
Speaker 4: you know, obviously being a Bruce Lee fan. I was
Speaker 4: upset as soon as Brad Pitt evens sort of chance
Speaker 4: against him. But I remember Quentin Tarantina saying he did
Speaker 4: that to try and emphasize how powerful Brad Pitt's character
Speaker 4: was in the film. But yeah, it was hard because
Speaker 4: it's a character that's, you know, obviously not alive anymore.
Speaker 4: Finding a character that's that is alive, it was. I
Speaker 4: was disappointed because I as soon as I said, Bruce
Speaker 4: Leye and something, he's got this sort of legendary setus
Speaker 4: who expecting Bell to bet everyone there was There's a
Speaker 4: guy called Michael J. White who's an amazing martial artist
Speaker 4: and action star, and he's he's a really he's a
Speaker 4: big unit. And Bruce Lee was only five seven and
Speaker 4: very light, and I and I think he said he
Speaker 4: said in an interview somewhere that you know that he
Speaker 4: could be able. I can't remember exact words, but he
Speaker 4: basically said he'd be able to handle Bruce Lee or
Speaker 4: that you know, he wasn't worried about losing to him,
Speaker 4: or something like that. But everyone sort of lost it.
Speaker 4: But it was, you know, it's you know, because Briustley's
Speaker 4: got this sort of untouchable status of But I do
Speaker 4: wonder even and no matter how well trained you are,
Speaker 4: if you're fighting someone who's like a six foot seven
Speaker 4: monster who's just made of muscle, how much someone say
Speaker 4: I don't know my height, no matter how much training
Speaker 4: I do could do to defend themselves.
Speaker 1: So I feel like you're you're going back to the playground, Luke.
Speaker 4: That's a problem when you because when you're a kid,
Speaker 4: because Mum and Dad knew because I had red hair
Speaker 4: and glasses and braces that they're like, you're going to
Speaker 4: get teased, and I'm like, and they were. They were correct,
Speaker 4: and so they probably in martial arts. But most of
Speaker 4: the bullies I was only up for their waist anyway,
Speaker 4: so there wasn't much I could do. Even if I
Speaker 4: could kick up to my head, I still couldn't reach them.
Speaker 4: So it was Yeah. When I was growing up, I
Speaker 4: always thought, you know, there's only so much you could
Speaker 4: do agains someone who could just lift you up and
Speaker 4: just throw you off off a cliff or something.
Speaker 1: What belt did you get to?
Speaker 4: I got to in Takekwanda, I got to brown, but
Speaker 4: I never got to blacken anything comedy. That's true, And
Speaker 4: that's a it's a real it's a it's it's my
Speaker 4: self defense mechanism because if you can make the bully laugh,
Speaker 4: they're not gonna was hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, hey, we that is completely true.
Speaker 2: I mean I I you know, I was a boy
Speaker 2: of girth growing up in a shock, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of my my comedy comes from that,
Speaker 2: that that vibe of get in before they get to you,
Speaker 2: and that's you know, it's it's a yes, maybe there's maybe.
Speaker 1: There should be a colored belt system for comedy.
Speaker 4: It's it's at eminem eight miles scene where he just
Speaker 4: this is on himself. The whole time we were doing that,
Speaker 4: waiting for it ourselves all the way through and beyond.
Speaker 2: Hey, who wins a fight between Jackie Channon and Bruce Lee.
Speaker 4: No idea I'd be I don't I get scared diving
Speaker 4: into like hypotheticals of impossible fights because like there's no
Speaker 4: satisfying answer. Yeah, although I do like watching comic book heroes,
Speaker 4: like fan made movies like bat and the Son of
Speaker 4: like Deadpool versus Batman, or a Wolverine Brusus Predator, Like
Speaker 4: I love watching that stuff. So basically, they just get
Speaker 4: a bunch of votes who would win out of the
Speaker 4: Predator and the Wolverine anyone, whoever the fans vote for.
Speaker 4: They make a live action film showing that battle, and
Speaker 4: it's it's awesome, so that those I do enjoy.
Speaker 1: Here, Okay, Jurassic Park, is that the original?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was. Yeah, it was like it was like a
Speaker 4: it was like watching a theme park ride. So I
Speaker 4: like being on a theme park ride or something. It
Speaker 4: was a movie. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: I thought you're going to explain to me what it
Speaker 2: was for a second there is like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: like a this dinosaur movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's about what you can do with
Speaker 4: insects stuck in or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Sat I I think I've said this on the show.
Speaker 2: I don't think I saw it in the cinema for
Speaker 2: some reason, and I grab a big.
Speaker 1: Spielberg scared too nervous.
Speaker 2: Possibly possibly I got through Close Encounters of the third
Speaker 2: kind of et and for some reason, Jassic Park I
Speaker 2: was scared.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I really, I'm at a loss to explain why like this
Speaker 2: didn't capture my attention.
Speaker 4: I think it's because once you wet your pants once
Speaker 4: in a cinema, it's embarrassing to go back. And but.
Speaker 2: I was very good at going But I remember M'm saying, no,
Speaker 2: you need to go back, and I did it again
Speaker 2: and again.
Speaker 4: I was so yeah, sorry, I was joking, you actually
Speaker 4: did you consistently where your pants are consistently?
Speaker 2: It's almost the only place I wet my pants is
Speaker 2: in the cinema.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's funny once you wet your pants a
Speaker 4: few times in the cinema and you're like, well, now
Speaker 4: this is only place I can go if it comes
Speaker 4: a real logistical nightmare.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I love movies. I was like a
Speaker 2: dog marking my spot. This is this is my this
Speaker 2: is my place, this is where I feel at home.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, this is this is me.
Speaker 4: When they when they and I'm sorry to go on
Speaker 4: this tangent, but when they when they first invented nappies
Speaker 4: for babies, and obviously there's that oult diapers was it
Speaker 4: was at one point where they said, okay, so these
Speaker 4: are these are just for babies, and someone's like, well,
Speaker 4: can't we with them as well because we can change
Speaker 4: them ourselves, And they're like no, no, no, you start to
Speaker 4: get the toilet, Like what what why? I don't know
Speaker 4: why they've never trained spread to adults.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess they have. The adult diaper industry is
Speaker 1: a booming industry.
Speaker 4: But you and I.
Speaker 2: With like, without having a medical reason, at what age
Speaker 2: can you just say you know, I'm wearing an adult
Speaker 2: diaper today.
Speaker 4: I guess when you're self aware that you're wearing you're
Speaker 4: wearing a diaper, that's probably about the time you have
Speaker 4: to stop wearing them.
Speaker 2: If you're going if you're going to say you're going
Speaker 2: to the Grand Final, the AFL Grand Final, and there
Speaker 2: was a rule that if you gave up your and
Speaker 2: you wanted to get on the drink, have a few drinks,
Speaker 2: pre load, have any drinks, and then they say if
Speaker 2: you leave your seat, then then somebody can take it
Speaker 2: and you lose your seat. You would seriously consider an
Speaker 2: adult diaper in that situation.
Speaker 4: I would have loved one some of the concerts I've
Speaker 4: been to, you know, because you work really hard to
Speaker 4: get to the front. You get, you get, you get
Speaker 4: a stage view so you can touch you know, the
Speaker 4: edges foot and then you have to go to the
Speaker 4: toilet and you know that you two will play for
Speaker 4: three hours. Yep, an adult diaper would be incredible.
Speaker 2: He has any podcast at gmail dot com. Let us
Speaker 2: know at what age is it okay for you to
Speaker 2: wear a diaper? Not for medical reasons because it's.
Speaker 4: Not illegal, right. I mean, you're not going to get
Speaker 4: in trouble if you wear a diaper, because he's going
Speaker 4: to know. Then you'll have a slightly I guess. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you were a type jeans, it's going to be
Speaker 4: a problem. But if somebody likes to bag it after.
Speaker 1: And on that, let's have a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 2: Luke McGregor. It was almost a year ago that I
Speaker 2: got you to watch The Godfather. You loved it, and
Speaker 2: the early your early reporting of The Godfather Part two
Speaker 2: is that you love this and you love it more.
Speaker 2: Can you understand that when people say the sequel is
Speaker 2: better than the original.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I mean I had really high expectations
Speaker 4: because everyone because I thought The Godfather was amazing obviously,
Speaker 4: and then when some of everyone said I'm going to
Speaker 4: watch the two, I'm like, how much I mean, how
Speaker 4: much better could a film get? But it was really good,
Speaker 4: Like al Pacino is just amazing in that film. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I found it, like I will watch it again, but
Speaker 4: I'll need a break. I was so sad by the
Speaker 4: end of it, like the family was just destroyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is, and we get we'll get to
Speaker 2: some themes and some big questions that this film poses,
Speaker 2: but let's.
Speaker 1: Just start at the at the start.
Speaker 2: We won't necessarily walk through the entire movie because it's
Speaker 2: it's obviously an epic, but the like, I love France
Speaker 2: for Coppola, and I like, you know, he just feel
Speaker 2: like you are in safe hands. And the opening shot
Speaker 2: are this thing is so good because it's it's basically
Speaker 2: close up of Michael.
Speaker 1: He gets kissed on the hand.
Speaker 2: It's like maybe this goes for like thirty seconds and
Speaker 2: he gets and it's before we go to Sicily. So
Speaker 2: you just want to you know, remind the audience that
Speaker 2: Michael's you know, this the lead in this movie, Michael Collyo,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna be concentrating on him. But kissed on
Speaker 2: his hand in the in the his dad's office now
Speaker 2: now his office, and his father's imprint is just in
Speaker 2: the padding of the chair behind the desk, and it
Speaker 2: just I'm not sure if you've got the same impression,
Speaker 2: but it feels like almost a complete continuation from from
Speaker 2: part one where the door closes on k and what
Speaker 2: were you saying in the podcast you wanted to open
Speaker 2: the door again and kind of look in and you know,
Speaker 2: like continue for it to continue. And this feels like
Speaker 2: this is almost and I'm not sure if it's actually
Speaker 2: like how much time has passed, but it almost felt
Speaker 2: to me even if it wasn't actually you know, at
Speaker 2: the same moment, it feels like it felt like to
Speaker 2: me that it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it did feel like it was just kicking off
Speaker 4: for the last one left off, and but I guess
Speaker 4: I guess this one felt like, you know, Michael was
Speaker 4: all in, like the hope that they could get out
Speaker 4: was feeling like it was I don't know, it was, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it felt like this was he started hitting the ground running.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think possibly that moment was the
Speaker 2: continuation of that kind of scene we saw at the
Speaker 2: end of one and then because when we go to
Speaker 2: Sicily and then we come back and when we come
Speaker 2: back there in Nevada, so it's probably you know, that's
Speaker 2: probably there's probably a time jump between those two.
Speaker 1: Moments.
Speaker 2: But so, yeah, we go, we go to Sicily, his
Speaker 2: brother Vito's it's young Vito, and his brother Parlo Paolo
Speaker 2: gets killed.
Speaker 1: His mother takes veto.
Speaker 2: Young yeah young not played by Marlon Branner, but obviously
Speaker 2: Don Collion eventually, but Veto Andelini. His name is to
Speaker 2: the local mob boss, and she begs him to spare
Speaker 2: my dim witted nine year old son.
Speaker 1: The local mob boss kills his.
Speaker 2: Mother, Missus Andelini, and Vito runs away, does a bit
Speaker 2: of a for us. He runs, he runs, he runs.
Speaker 2: Then they're yelling out, don't hide Vito Andelini. They're yelling
Speaker 2: out in the streets. This is pre social media. Look
Speaker 2: otherwise I think now they would probably just put it
Speaker 2: on on the socials. But they're yelling out, don't hide
Speaker 2: Vito Andelini, and it's it's so it's so economical, like
Speaker 2: they don't waste time like Francis for a couple of
Speaker 2: just you know, so much is happening in that in
Speaker 2: that scene, but it happens.
Speaker 1: He doesn't draw it out.
Speaker 4: No, it's yeah, it's interesting you say that because it is.
Speaker 4: It's very efficient storytelling because the film is three hour
Speaker 4: and twenty two minutes. But yeah, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 4: it really does crack along.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, you would think that they would
Speaker 2: draw these moments out, you know, you know, longer, but
Speaker 2: they really don't. And then before you know it, he's
Speaker 2: you know, at in the US and he's arriving and
Speaker 2: they they draw an X on his on his chest,
Speaker 2: on his clothes and I looked that up that that
Speaker 2: meant that he was suspected of having a mental.
Speaker 1: Defect, right, yeah, brutal way of I know.
Speaker 2: And then he's given the new name video Colia, because
Speaker 2: that's all he's from. There, that's his talent where he's from.
Speaker 2: A similar thing happened to Han Solo according to the
Speaker 2: Solo prequel.
Speaker 4: Yes it was. It's the same universe, just later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we go back to anthy Anthony communion
Speaker 2: and then there's the big party. This it's it's and
Speaker 2: it gave me like a lovely feeling of like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're doing this again, this is this is cool, you.
Speaker 1: Know, another big party.
Speaker 2: And now we see people lining up to see Michael,
Speaker 2: Michael's offices there for Anthony, his son's communion. You've got
Speaker 2: Cenaer the Geary making you know, speeches because there's been
Speaker 2: donations and having photos and then it all changes behind
Speaker 2: the closed doors.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so interesting seeing these scenes of joy
Speaker 4: and family and friendship and you know, and then just
Speaker 4: what's going on, you know, behind closed doors to maintain
Speaker 4: that lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and whether you know.
Speaker 4: Are these people you know, are all of them in
Speaker 4: or there's some of them in it, some of them
Speaker 4: completely you know, innocent to this, or.
Speaker 2: And some are rejecting it. Like Connie's you know, hates Michael.
Speaker 2: She's marrying somebody, you know, in fatness to her. She
Speaker 2: may love him, but Michael doesn't see it that way.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's kind of like Michael's protection of his
Speaker 2: family is coming.
Speaker 1: These are the early signs of it.
Speaker 2: I think Michael's protecting of his family is coming at
Speaker 2: a high price. You know that he's actually pushing his
Speaker 2: family members away even though he's trying to put his
Speaker 2: arms around them to protect them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like he's, yeah, there's a real live
Speaker 4: because almost like they're trying to pull him out of
Speaker 4: it or orthough because he every every action he takes
Speaker 4: is pushed, like you say, it's pushing them further away
Speaker 4: and pushing himself away from them, like he's losing his
Speaker 4: connection to emotion because I guess he has to to
Speaker 4: make the decisions he makes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's it's you know, he constantly I
Speaker 2: know I did was thinking back to the Mica we
Speaker 2: met at the start of Godfather, the Godfather Part one,
Speaker 2: when he, you know, he says, Okay, this is this
Speaker 2: is my family, this is this is not me, you know,
Speaker 2: and he you know, and even even Don Coleone, Vito
Speaker 2: had more plans for him to go into politics, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure, you know, to kind of maybe have him
Speaker 2: at their disposal, you know, inside politics for their own
Speaker 2: for their own benefit possibly. But you know, at that stage,
Speaker 2: he wasn't seen as somebody who who was going to
Speaker 2: rise up through the ranks as far as the family
Speaker 2: business goes.
Speaker 1: And then you can see and I think they do
Speaker 1: a nice job.
Speaker 2: At the start of this, when he's dancing with Kay
Speaker 2: after all these meetings with Frankie, Panta, Gali and Connie
Speaker 2: and they're just dancing. It's a nice quiet moment. They
Speaker 2: look like they're in love. Kay is pregnant and she says,
Speaker 2: you know that. He says, we're going to go legitimate.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to legitimize the family.
Speaker 1: That's why we're here.
Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, you promise you'll be legitimate within
Speaker 2: five years, and that was seven years ago. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it is a nice this reminder that you know, there's
Speaker 2: a Michael that exists that is trying to make this
Speaker 2: legit and is rejecting the family business.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't last long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and her, I mean, obviously that Michael that she
Speaker 4: fell in love was the one pre all of this.
Speaker 4: And then you know when she when he comes full
Speaker 4: circle and she lose his love for him, that's when
Speaker 4: you realize he's beyond helped now. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 4: it was fascinating, and especially because they have they hohold
Speaker 4: sort of family and friendship and loyalty in such high regards.
Speaker 4: But then they well they're you know, committing horrendous accent
Speaker 4: and you know, someone betrays and someone tries to get out.
Speaker 1: It's it's over.
Speaker 2: It's just even like if you look at Tommy Hagen,
Speaker 2: who is you know, in a way the most loyal
Speaker 2: to Michael oh the lawyer, Yeah, yeah, Robert de val
Speaker 2: and yeah, you know, and he seems like even the
Speaker 2: most decent of them all.
Speaker 1: Yet even he's overseeing.
Speaker 2: I mean, when they frame Sena the Geary and there's
Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to get legit, but still they are.
Speaker 2: There are lots of different ways they could have you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure strong armed sener the Geary, but they kill
Speaker 2: a woman, you know, prostitute in order to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, to win his favor and his impluence, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's it's such a fascinating thing, look like like.
Speaker 1: And this is the power of movies.
Speaker 2: We always follow the protagonist, you know, Like Michael does
Speaker 2: horrible things, you know, and and we still go along,
Speaker 2: even to the point where if you compare him to
Speaker 2: the black Hand Fernucci when he was in his veto
Speaker 2: I'm talking about now in the flashbacks, you know, why
Speaker 2: do we why do we take you know, Vito site
Speaker 2: over Fernucci siite like Fernucci is not necessarily I don't
Speaker 2: think we see him murder. I think we see him threatened,
Speaker 2: you know, And it's it's all because we know there's
Speaker 2: an innate thing in movies where we know.
Speaker 1: We are supposed to root for the protagonist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it kept making me think, like like, it
Speaker 4: made me think, what's what's important in my life? And
Speaker 4: what would I sacrifice to keep it? And it's almost
Speaker 4: like they inherit a lifestyle and then they don't know
Speaker 4: any different, and so it's you know, they just the
Speaker 4: the problem becomes like a how do I maintain it?
Speaker 4: And no one's really ever thinking, and you know some
Speaker 4: of his family does, but Michael certainly become obsessed with
Speaker 4: how to maintain as opposed to you know, should I
Speaker 4: even try to keep this afloat? You know, what's this?
Speaker 4: What's what's this doing other than causing us whole pain?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The big question I had watching this was do you
Speaker 2: think and this is the flashback? Actually what did you
Speaker 2: think of the flashbacks? Do they work for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They did? I think.
Speaker 2: I mean the big danger of not running to like
Speaker 2: stories concurrently through different the time periods. Is is the
Speaker 2: danger of one lagging a bit and you're thinking, I
Speaker 2: wish I went back to the other story. Now, I
Speaker 2: didn't feel I didn't have that feeling at any point.
Speaker 4: No, my honestly, it was it was strange. I didn't like.
Speaker 4: I didn't have any complaints. I had stuff I wanted
Speaker 4: fleshed out more, and not not sincessarily because I didn't
Speaker 4: think the film did a good enough job, just because
Speaker 4: I wanted to spend more time with these characters, like,
Speaker 4: for example, his sister and his older brother's relationship I
Speaker 4: found fascinating, especially his older brother because and you've got
Speaker 4: a taste of it when his older brother yelled at him.
Speaker 4: But you know, the older brother clearly was, you know,
Speaker 4: upset at being minded by his little brother. And you
Speaker 4: you saw him, you know, yell at Michael. But you
Speaker 4: never really got to spend a lot of time with
Speaker 4: just the two of them to sort of see how
Speaker 4: that dynamic was being played out. And I don't think
Speaker 4: the film had time, Like the film was three hours
Speaker 4: and twenty two minutes, but it was it's such a
Speaker 4: fascinating world. I really I wanted that film to go
Speaker 4: for six hours, you know, there was just so many
Speaker 4: little bits and pieces that I wanted explored more, just
Speaker 4: because I was fascinated by these characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think Freido is the
Speaker 2: heart of the film. I think when I think of
Speaker 2: The Guy Father Part two, I think afraid of before
Speaker 2: I think of anyone, and he's almost invisible in.
Speaker 1: Godfather Part one.
Speaker 2: He's certainly there, and they said him on the Vegas
Speaker 2: and Magreen, you know, and all of that. But he
Speaker 2: he is not respected, you see, He's not respected by
Speaker 2: the family. Veto's got no Don Corleones, got no real
Speaker 2: time for him. And it's heartbreaking when you see that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it starts from birth where he was. He
Speaker 2: was born with pneumonia, and you see Vito kind of
Speaker 2: like there's something going on. He's either hurt or he's
Speaker 2: like he's like, you know, damn it, I'm not exactly sure,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And I think he's also worried.
Speaker 2: He's not he's not He's not cold heart at all
Speaker 2: at that point in his life. And and I think
Speaker 2: that's almost that stamps his papers like he is, you know,
Speaker 2: the runt of the letter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it made me really wonder what the film would
Speaker 4: have been like had the protet has been his brother,
Speaker 4: and how that would have been watching his life and
Speaker 4: watching his brother, younger brother ascend to the sort of throne,
Speaker 4: and you know, seeing he's in a monologue and sort
Speaker 4: of that's the thing. Like I was kind of fascinated
Speaker 4: without his story as well well.
Speaker 2: And I we spoke about John Czar last time. He
Speaker 2: was only in five films and they all won Oscars.
Speaker 2: The Godfather one one, Godfather to Deer Hunter, the Conversation.
Speaker 1: And you know he knows how to pick up mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows, he knows how to pick it and
Speaker 2: died during the making of the The Deer Hunter and
Speaker 2: Dog Day Afternoon was the other one, and it was
Speaker 2: It's just it's a travesty that he was overlooked. He
Speaker 2: did not get nominated for an Oscar that they uh
Speaker 2: Lee Strasburg, who played Hyman Roth, got nominated. Michael Gazo,
Speaker 2: who played Frankie, got nominated. Obviously Ondineer I got nominated.
Speaker 2: But anyone watching that film, I hate could watch that
Speaker 2: if you're voting and judging performances and not and not
Speaker 2: see John Cazal's performance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you said Rob de Niro got best supporting. Yes,
Speaker 4: I don't understand why his brother didn't get it instead
Speaker 4: because Rob I mean, Robert DeNiro is great in the film,
Speaker 4: but I don't think he I don't think he has
Speaker 4: the as difficult a role as the brother had to play.
Speaker 2: No, Rober thin the does a really great job of
Speaker 2: making you believe that he is the character that Marlon
Speaker 2: Brando set up in the earlier film. And that is
Speaker 2: there's no mean feat that's a really that's a really
Speaker 2: good performance. And I have no problem with him winning,
Speaker 2: uh you know, winning, but the junkers are I do agree.
Speaker 2: It is a better performance.
Speaker 1: There's more range.
Speaker 2: I mean, the these scenes that are just so heartbreaking,
Speaker 2: and it flows beautifully. It's set up beautifully in god
Speaker 2: Father Part one. I mean, it's amazing that they maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, like this wasn't always on the cards, you know,
Speaker 2: so the fact that this character existed and was you know,
Speaker 2: hadn't really been able to you know, flourish in a
Speaker 2: way and and doesn't. Again, doesn't get the character doesn't flourish,
Speaker 2: but the actor really does, and he's given some really
Speaker 2: meaty staff.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible.
Speaker 2: So that alone is why I'm so glad that this
Speaker 2: film exists, just to see those, particularly a handful of
Speaker 2: scenes with John Gazal and Albacina.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Yea.
Speaker 4: It makes me wonder what the like when the cameras
Speaker 4: when they say cut and you know what the downtime
Speaker 4: is like on those films, because there's such intense scenes
Speaker 4: and these these so much talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Freda Fredo you also just you feel sorry
Speaker 2: for him, like even if you were coming to Godfather
Speaker 2: Part two without seeing Godfather one, you you feel sorry
Speaker 2: for Fredo like they do. Like he's got his wife,
Speaker 2: his trophy wife, and she's getting pretty wild on the
Speaker 2: on the dance floor and they, you know, Michael sends
Speaker 2: you know, one of the guys over to say, if
Speaker 2: you can't control her, Michael says, you know, we have to.
Speaker 2: And there's no resistance. This is nothing. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna have to. Like there's no resistance,
Speaker 2: there's no defending of his wife, but more so there's
Speaker 2: no resistance to the idea like that I can do it.
Speaker 2: I'll take care of this. I'll take care of this.
Speaker 2: Is this is my wife, and I will take care
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that you know how much of your personality
Speaker 4: is influenced by how your how your family views you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, I completely understand why he because he
Speaker 4: wasn't he didn't really feel like he betrayed. Michael felt
Speaker 4: like he was just trying to get something for himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he did it because he was
Speaker 4: trying to. I mean there was obviously there might have
Speaker 4: been some spite there for his brother, but I just
Speaker 4: feel like he wanted to have something of his own.
Speaker 1: Well, I saw he saw a way in Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean jumming. You know, obviously around a bit.
Speaker 2: It's a tricky film this would do in order, but
Speaker 2: let's let's have a listen to that performance. It's pretty
Speaker 2: much at that lake House, and it's Michael Collion.
Speaker 1: This is when.
Speaker 2: He hasn't spoken, so this is after he knows that
Speaker 2: he's being betrayed, and it's at the mum's funeral. We
Speaker 2: know that Michael had said nobody touches him while Mum's alive,
Speaker 2: so as soon as Mum dies, we know that Fredo
Speaker 2: is in trouble. But then at the funeral, Connie kind
Speaker 2: of convinces him to go talk to him. He goes
Speaker 2: to Fredo. It's the first time he's seen him for
Speaker 2: a while. And they hug, and Fredo is like his
Speaker 2: hands and his fingers are like digging into Michael's bag.
Speaker 2: He's like, it's like he's hanging onto a life raft.
Speaker 2: And and did you think in that moment that Michael
Speaker 2: was going to forgive him? I keep forgetting you. It
Speaker 2: is the first time you've seen it, so you don't
Speaker 2: know what's about to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought Michael was going to forgive him. And
Speaker 4: then when I saw Michael sort of nod to his
Speaker 4: looc I'm like, okay, so this historily lost. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 4: that was Yeah, I really thought. I really thought his
Speaker 4: sister had gotten through to him for a second.
Speaker 2: Two And so then they go into the office and
Speaker 2: and this this speech happens, and this is where this
Speaker 2: is why it's so Fredo's heartbreaking, and it's such a
Speaker 2: brilliant move to make him the older brother, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know, we're so used to the older brother
Speaker 2: is the one that protects, you know, the siblings, and
Speaker 2: the fact that he's the fuck up older brother, the
Speaker 2: one that can't be trusted to, can't they can't be
Speaker 2: relied on is just makes your heart ache a little bit.
Speaker 2: And this performance with fraid I just basically it's kind
Speaker 2: of sitting down, but he's kind of lying down on
Speaker 2: this kind of seat that folds back, and he's just
Speaker 2: it's like that life has been pummeled out of him,
Speaker 2: but this is his one last kind of chance and
Speaker 2: maybe to get through to his brother Michael.
Speaker 7: He said that you were being tough on the negotiations,
Speaker 7: but if they could get a little help and cause
Speaker 7: the deal fast, it'd be good for the family.
Speaker 1: You believe that story, You believe that.
Speaker 4: He said there was something in it for me on
Speaker 4: my own.
Speaker 1: I've always taken care of him, taken care of me.
Speaker 1: You're my kid brother, and you take care of me.
Speaker 1: I think about that.
Speaker 6: She ever once think about that same Fredo A to
Speaker 6: do this, Save Fredo. After do that, Let fred will
Speaker 6: take care of some making MOUs nightclub somewhere. So Fredo
Speaker 6: to pick somebody up at the airport. I mean, your
Speaker 6: older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over. Ain't the
Speaker 6: way I wanted it. I can handle things.
Speaker 3: I'm smart.
Speaker 6: Like everybody says like dumb, I'm smart.
Speaker 2: And I want to spect it's such that guttural. You know,
Speaker 2: he's letting it all out. He has been let down,
Speaker 2: let down by his father. You know that his dad's
Speaker 2: plans for him was not what he wanted. You know,
Speaker 2: he just wanted what what? What do you think he wanted?
Speaker 4: Luke, I don't even know. H you tell me. It's
Speaker 4: like he was. And maybe this is me getting too personal,
Speaker 4: but I had an argument with my dad over the
Speaker 4: holidays where you know, I was just kind of I
Speaker 4: was kind of angry with him, but I didn't really
Speaker 4: know why. And when I was sort of sort of
Speaker 4: I was sort of getting frustrated without knowing what I
Speaker 4: wanted in return, I was just kind of lashing out,
Speaker 4: I think because I and I sorry to get to
Speaker 4: person on the podcast, but I was, you know, just
Speaker 4: because I felt hurt in the past and I just
Speaker 4: felt like I needed to let something out. I feel
Speaker 4: like Freida didn't really know even what he wanted is
Speaker 4: from his brother. He was just hurting and so he
Speaker 4: was just sort of letting that out at his brother
Speaker 4: because he knew that his brother couldn't you know, it
Speaker 4: was almost too late to change him, but he was
Speaker 4: at least going to have his he's at least going
Speaker 4: to lash out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think he wanted some respect.
Speaker 2: I think he knew that he probably wasn't the guy
Speaker 2: to lead the family, you know. But I think if
Speaker 2: they had to have given him a bit more respect
Speaker 2: and time and love, or if they loved him differently,
Speaker 2: you know, than they do instead of like the patronizing
Speaker 2: kind of you know. So he you know, And I
Speaker 2: think it's like with It's like why people sometimes like
Speaker 2: to gossip, you know, like it gives him a certain
Speaker 2: feeling of like, you know, they know something.
Speaker 1: You know. So when when you know Johnny.
Speaker 2: Ola you know, approaches you know, afraidom it all happens
Speaker 2: without us seeing it. We only hear about it in retrospect.
Speaker 2: I think it's that kind of thing. Well, I'm important,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel significant. I feel important, you know,
Speaker 2: I can help out here. And even he says he,
Speaker 2: you know, he believes he was helping the family, and
Speaker 2: whether he I don't know, that's his you know, he's
Speaker 2: saying that in hindsight or he's trying to, you know,
Speaker 2: get out of a tricky situation, but he Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that's that feeling of lost and not being respected and.
Speaker 4: What in Michael to knowledge that this is this is
Speaker 4: really hard, this is awful. Can you imagine being in
Speaker 4: my shoes that sort of thing where it's just like
Speaker 4: I'm your older brother. Yeah, And because I remember, I
Speaker 4: think I think there's a line where Michael says I've
Speaker 4: always looked after you, and he's like, you've looked after me,
Speaker 4: and he's.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, well he said, yeah, yeah, we just heard
Speaker 2: it him kind of saying that, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: not that's not the way it's supposed to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know if it i'd be interested
Speaker 4: to see, Like I haven't. I haven't watched it with
Speaker 4: my younger brother, my youngest brother, but you know, I'm
Speaker 4: an older brother. So that scene really hit me because
Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh, man, if I that situation was,
Speaker 4: if I was in that situation, I get it. Like
Speaker 4: because you, as the older brother, you are kind of
Speaker 4: you're kind of take on the role a little bit
Speaker 4: as a quasi parent. And I don't think I did
Speaker 4: a great job with that growing up, but you did
Speaker 4: feel like you were supposed to be at least the
Speaker 4: most responsible, Yeah, you know, and you know, not only
Speaker 4: did his family look down on him, But I can
Speaker 4: only imagine how much he must have felt looked down
Speaker 4: upon by everyone else looking in at the situation, thinking you're, wow,
Speaker 4: your younger brother is your boss. How horrendous were you? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's amazing he didn't do more to portray really,
Speaker 4: isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 2: And you know, like I think no doubt he didn't
Speaker 2: betray Michael in a way that he thought was going
Speaker 2: to end up in any kind of damage or tragedy.
Speaker 2: You know, I think he felt like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I can be helpful to these guys, and maybe you
Speaker 2: know they can. You know, this will end up being
Speaker 2: a good thing for my family, you know, I believe that.
Speaker 2: And then there's the scene when he goes to Cuba
Speaker 2: and he, you know, and he hangs out with Michael
Speaker 2: and there's having like an Alfresco cafe and it's really
Speaker 2: you know, Fredo is kind of saying, oh, man, you know, like,
Speaker 2: you know, why can't we have done this more? You know,
Speaker 2: just hang out like you know, brothers, And it's it's really,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's really heartbreaking because he, like I said,
Speaker 2: he's the older brother, but he's younger brother. He's not
Speaker 2: even he's barely accessible to him anymore. It's not just
Speaker 2: that he's powerful, but he's barely. It's hard to get
Speaker 2: a meeting with him. It's hard to get tired with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I felt the same way with the with the sister. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, with him sitting in the chair and he's
Speaker 4: sister having a kneel down beside him, and I'm just like,
Speaker 4: this isn't this isn't how family should work. It's uh,
Speaker 4: it just kept coming back to like how alone Michael is,
Speaker 4: you know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, as I stay, I'm afraid because there's of course,
Speaker 2: the big one of the big scenes is when we
Speaker 2: work out that that he did betray Michael. So we're
Speaker 2: kind of going a little bit in reverse, yere, but
Speaker 2: that's okay. And that moment that the Chino gives a
Speaker 2: really deaf performance in that moment when they're at the club,
Speaker 2: I think it is it New Year's Eva, like a
Speaker 2: big kind of Cuban kind of fiesta thing, and and
Speaker 2: he mentions that Johnny Ola told me about this place,
Speaker 2: and you know, he denied knowing Johnny Ola, and Michael
Speaker 2: hears that and that's enough for him to know that
Speaker 2: it was Fredo who betrayed him. And if you look,
Speaker 2: it's it's he doesn't say anything, Michael in that moment,
Speaker 2: but his reaction is so he's it's all in the eyes.
Speaker 2: And then you know, he's kind of heads in his
Speaker 2: hands and it's really heartbreaking. And then and then we
Speaker 2: hear that, you know the famous scene, which I think
Speaker 2: I might be wrong, but I think it is like
Speaker 2: New Year and it's and it's you know, you broke
Speaker 2: my heart, and that's the scene that we all know
Speaker 2: from from that movie. It's so it's it's it's devastating.
Speaker 1: There's a plain waiting for us to take us to Miami.
Speaker 7: In the album, don't make a big thing about it.
Speaker 1: I know it was you afraid you broke my heart.
Speaker 2: You clucked my heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, I remember. It was a it was
Speaker 4: the it was the same thing you said to me
Speaker 4: after you saw my first set.
Speaker 2: It was when I when I directed you in It's
Speaker 2: a date. It's how I's so you own cut. I
Speaker 2: just went up to you and said every time you
Speaker 2: broke my heart.
Speaker 4: And the crew nodded along, because that's about the.
Speaker 1: Performance well, you've come a long way.
Speaker 2: Look when you when you when they go outside and
Speaker 2: it's you know, there's crowds everywhere, and Michael's saying, yeah, Freida, come,
Speaker 2: you know we're going to the airport.
Speaker 1: Would you have gotten in the car?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I I was surprised to
Speaker 4: see him back again. I guess he just didn't you
Speaker 4: have nowhere else to go.
Speaker 1: But it reminded me once when I was younger.
Speaker 2: I I thought I would be an older brother who's
Speaker 2: four years older than me, and I thought it'd be
Speaker 2: funny to.
Speaker 1: Lock him out of the house.
Speaker 2: And it was for a little while until he got
Speaker 2: so mad that I was too afraid to let him
Speaker 2: in the house. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like at that point it's just like, okay, now he
Speaker 4: has to sa outside forever.
Speaker 2: Well, he end up putting his fist around bedroom window.
Speaker 2: And there's another time.
Speaker 4: You're in there going I've created a monster.
Speaker 2: Well there's another time, for some reason, where we ordered pizzas.
Speaker 2: Mom and dad, we're out and we ordered pizzas, and
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be a funny idea. This is sit
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, locked the tall door, and sit in
Speaker 2: the toll with the pizza. I didn't open. I didn't
Speaker 2: open the pizza. I just would be funny. And then
Speaker 2: he was panding on the door so hard. How do
Speaker 2: I how do I get out of this situation?
Speaker 4: Like credit weapon of my destruction?
Speaker 2: If if the gap under the door was big enough
Speaker 2: for me to slide the pizza out, that would have
Speaker 2: been the best case scenario.
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 4: Just squeeze. Yeah, it's it's I remember. I remember sometimes
Speaker 4: like if Dad was going to uh he just growing
Speaker 4: up for something we did wrong. We'd like run into
Speaker 4: the public or something like we'd run into an area
Speaker 4: where there were other people and you'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: now we can't do it. So I've dodged that bullet,
Speaker 4: but you just end up getting hit twelve hours later.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it was yeah, it was. It was just
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I relate it before skipping head,
Speaker 4: but when he's in the boat, yeah, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 4: he knows everyone. It's just like, I'm surprised that sister
Speaker 4: didn't know the way. I wasn't sure if the sister
Speaker 4: did know or didn't know.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of I would say, reading between
Speaker 2: the lines, or interpreting. You know, I think I could
Speaker 2: watch this and have a different interpretation to a lot
Speaker 2: of the events that than you than you have. I'm
Speaker 2: not even quite sure how Michael knows who was behind
Speaker 2: that assassination attempt.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: And when you were following it, watching it, because he
Speaker 2: first goes to Hyman Roth and and he says, you know,
Speaker 2: Frankie is behind this, and that you know, I am
Speaker 2: going to have him taken care of. You know, I
Speaker 2: just wanted to let you know I don't want to
Speaker 2: go to war. And he's, you know, Heyman Roth, who
Speaker 2: is amazing, by the way, played by Lee Strasburg, who
Speaker 2: was like a like a more of an acting teacher
Speaker 2: than an actor in his own right. He was in
Speaker 2: you know, a certain number of films, but he was
Speaker 2: like one of the real proponents of the method system
Speaker 2: and process and he was a mentor to James Dean
Speaker 2: al Pacino himself, Dustin Hoffman, and he's just awesome, you know,
Speaker 2: like you meet him and he's like like for the villain,
Speaker 2: and we don't know he's the villain until you know
Speaker 2: a bit later on.
Speaker 1: But he's just like spread legs over.
Speaker 2: You got one leg that's over the over his couch
Speaker 2: and he's you know, he's got the chest hair going,
Speaker 2: and he's just watching a game, you know, a baseball game.
Speaker 2: I do love that he he says that, you know,
Speaker 2: one of his heroes is the guy who fixed the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen World Series. I thought, you know, that's he
Speaker 2: didn't really like baseball up until then. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: got him into baseball. That's somebody who could fix a
Speaker 2: World series.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, I I was thinking that that was that
Speaker 4: Michael never knew. And that's kind of why you've seen
Speaker 4: later on the film where his lawyers saying, you know,
Speaker 4: you've he won, Michael, there's no need to go any further.
Speaker 4: I feel like Michael was destroying olives enemies because he
Speaker 4: never really worked out who it was. So he decided,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to scorch drest with everyone who's
Speaker 4: against me. Yeah, I'm the only one standing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was sure if he knew or he
Speaker 2: was still working it out, because he you know, because
Speaker 2: in Any tells Fredo that you know what's going to
Speaker 2: happen that that you know Hyman Roth is you know
Speaker 2: the man behind this, and you know he tried to
Speaker 2: have me killed. So it's yeah, and it's some things,
Speaker 2: you know, like and maybe it's all in there and
Speaker 2: I've I've missed it. I have looked around for it.
Speaker 2: You know, nobody seems to have the absolute answer.
Speaker 4: I wonder if he, if that scene hadn't have happened,
Speaker 4: whether he might have gone straight, whether that's anyone a
Speaker 4: path of destruct a destructive path, And if he hadn't
Speaker 4: had that, you know, his family under threat.
Speaker 1: What is a really interesting question.
Speaker 2: And even to go back further the veto Collie, do
Speaker 2: you think if Fernucci the black Hand hadn't ha taken
Speaker 2: his job by pushing his nephew into that grocery store
Speaker 2: that he worked at and pushing him out, and then
Speaker 2: he had Clemenza give him that in the borrow of
Speaker 2: the guns. There's a couple of things that happened, Like
Speaker 2: do you think that Vito Collone would have been quite
Speaker 2: happy to have that quieter, more respectful life and this
Speaker 2: raised his family and these things kind of then conspired
Speaker 2: against him and kind of inspired him to lead a
Speaker 2: life of crime or do you think a life of
Speaker 2: crime was always.
Speaker 4: I think it still would have happened because you know,
Speaker 4: he was so calculated and he shot him and it
Speaker 4: wasn't like a crime of passion. It was a very calculated,
Speaker 4: premeditated action that he took.
Speaker 2: And I felt but if Fernucci hadn't like he did
Speaker 2: that because he saw the way Fernucci was like behaving,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was threatening. I wonder if there
Speaker 2: was no if there was no boss, or that he
Speaker 2: was able to tolerate what Fernucci he was having to
Speaker 2: pay five dollars protection for whatever it might be. Does
Speaker 2: that Does that then mean that the Collione family doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: or does there's Vita Collione find a way to like,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe not, because maybe maybe he was because it felt
Speaker 4: like he did it because he was sort of against
Speaker 4: the injustice of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a really decent guy.
Speaker 2: Like when when his ex boss, you know, who's just
Speaker 2: basically fired him, and he's very you know, decent with him,
Speaker 2: and he kind of says, I understand, I understand your situation,
Speaker 2: and he gets chased on the street. He tries to
Speaker 2: give him like a hamper, and then you know, and
Speaker 2: he refuses it, and he goes home and he brings
Speaker 2: home a pair that's all. He brings so many and
Speaker 2: he kisses his wife and he's happy. Yeah, and he's happy.
Speaker 2: And I just wonder if it had have maybe ended there.
Speaker 4: It felt like it was fear. It started for good reasons,
Speaker 4: and then eventually it became an empire that they had
Speaker 4: to like the where they felt like the ends justified
Speaker 4: the means, but the means were getting horrible and horribler. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to maintain what they had until by the time it
Speaker 4: gets to Michael, you know, it's lost all sense of
Speaker 4: family and it's no longer about justice. It's about maintaining
Speaker 4: the status quo. It's because I do wonder if he'd
Speaker 4: sort of seen that what it would lead to for
Speaker 4: his family, whether he would have done it all in
Speaker 4: the first place.
Speaker 1: And the other question I had was, and this is
Speaker 1: something you don't see.
Speaker 2: There's quite a few things that feel like they happened
Speaker 2: off Camerye, off screen. But it's absolutely fine. But I
Speaker 2: wondered why we didn't see the consequences of Veto killing
Speaker 2: the Black Hand, Like there's no like, like if somebody
Speaker 2: and we've seen the assassination of you know, or the
Speaker 2: assassination a tent on on on Veto in Godfather Part one,
Speaker 2: and then that's why Michael kills McCluskey and the second
Speaker 2: name escapes me for now, but and that's why he
Speaker 2: does that. There's a retaliation. There seemed to be no
Speaker 2: retaliation for for Finucci, which I think is really interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is doesn't seem to be any consequences for those murders,
Speaker 2: which it doesn't. It doesn't bother me. It's like I've
Speaker 2: seen the maybe lots of times, I've never really thought
Speaker 2: about it. It's like, oh, yeah, like you know that
Speaker 2: these movies are generally about if you kill the wrong person,
Speaker 2: if particularly the head guy, you know you are. That's
Speaker 2: why you know Michael had to go into hiding in
Speaker 2: sicily in the first film, that nothing. There seemed to
Speaker 2: be no ramifications for Vito Collione.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a lot of killing and then not
Speaker 4: a lot of follow up about the logistics and issues
Speaker 4: that caused.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then the next thing, you know, he's just doing rent
Speaker 1: control for people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's just like this guy's got this guy's
Speaker 4: like the guy cut in the stomach, the olive oil guy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: ye had a huge mansion, obviously had henchman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was just like.
Speaker 4: All, right, off we go, you know, it was it was, yeah,
Speaker 4: I did. I did think about that myself. Actually, it
Speaker 4: was just I guess it's just one of those things
Speaker 4: where you know, as a story writing, it's just like
Speaker 4: there'd be a way I could explain this, but I
Speaker 4: feel like it's not worth getting the film bogged down
Speaker 4: into the minutia, right, And.
Speaker 2: I think that's just really great brave filmmaking. And I
Speaker 2: think it's you know, you don't have to explain everything.
Speaker 2: And even the fact that when you know, kay reappears
Speaker 2: and we haven't seen him for a while, like it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of I'm not even sure if we'd seen
Speaker 2: her since this sassination attempt, you know, and then we
Speaker 2: see that she's said that she has had a well,
Speaker 2: not a miscaracter, it was in fact an abortion, and
Speaker 2: it's a really full unsecene and with the fact that
Speaker 2: we haven't seen her for that long and by this
Speaker 2: day it's probably a couple of hours and you know
Speaker 2: how many months in the in the story time, but
Speaker 2: we don't question it like the last time we saw them,
Speaker 2: you know, the first time we see them there they
Speaker 2: peuld have been loved and dancing and she's asking about
Speaker 2: you know, when are you going to be legitimate and
Speaker 2: all of that, and then there's assassination where Michael his
Speaker 2: first instinct is protects Kate. He jumps and protects her,
Speaker 2: and then this is I think this is like the
Speaker 2: next time we see her.
Speaker 1: But even though we haven't seen it, we haven't.
Speaker 2: Seen her her you know, you know, harangue him about
Speaker 2: you know, when are you going to get out of
Speaker 2: this business?
Speaker 1: When she says, and it's a really big thing to
Speaker 1: go from where.
Speaker 2: The last time we've seen her to not only you're
Speaker 2: having the baby, but it's I had an abortion and
Speaker 2: it was a boy. Actually fine, but we don't question
Speaker 2: it because, you know what, we can understand that Kay
Speaker 2: would feel that way because we have seen the actions
Speaker 2: of Michael and the Collie owned family, so we can
Speaker 2: completely put ourselves immediately in her headspace and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: this makes this actually makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's It's funny how as the film progresses, at
Speaker 4: least I started rooting for the people around Michael and
Speaker 4: not Michael. I wanted his wife to be happy, and
Speaker 4: then I wanted his younger brother to be forgiven, and
Speaker 4: then when he sorry his older brother to be forgiven,
Speaker 4: and then when he started being mean to his lawyer.
Speaker 4: It had been loyal to him the entire time. I
Speaker 4: started rooting for the lawyer to try and get out.
Speaker 4: It was the whole thing was just Michael became slowly
Speaker 4: became poison. And it was heartbreaking because you know, from
Speaker 4: the very start of the first film, you're really rooting
Speaker 4: for him to to get it, to not get sucked
Speaker 4: into this.
Speaker 2: It's a real slow descent in the hell, that's what
Speaker 2: you that's what you're watching. I mean when Kay says,
Speaker 2: you know, I had a miscarriage, his first question is
Speaker 2: not are you okay?
Speaker 1: You know? Was it a boy?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, It's it's like he didn't care about her anymore.
Speaker 4: He just cared about the continuation of what he'd built
Speaker 4: or what he'd maintained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: If I had my way, if I was allowed to
Speaker 4: like magically create this scenario, I would have loved The
Speaker 4: Godfather Part two to have just been about the present
Speaker 4: with Michael, and then a Godfather prequel where it was
Speaker 4: Robert de Niro's story of the of becoming the Godfather.
Speaker 4: I would have loved that because I just felt like
Speaker 4: that was such rich storylines and worlds and characters. I
Speaker 4: would just I would have been very happy to spend
Speaker 4: three hours in both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, timelines, I completely agree. I mean, I'm glad god
Speaker 2: on other part who exist the way it does. But like,
Speaker 2: and there's a testament to the film in the ca
Speaker 2: characters that they've made. Of course, Mario Puzzo, the author,
Speaker 2: co wrote these scripts with francisvo Coppola. But I could easily,
Speaker 2: I could, I could watch, you know, a full length
Speaker 2: feature film with Fredo, Like, you know, I really would
Speaker 2: love to see We won't he's he passed away. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I would easily and happily watch that.
Speaker 4: It makes me think about story and you know, how
Speaker 4: much to show the audience and how much not too
Speaker 4: and how much is sort of implied. And I guess God,
Speaker 4: what makes Godfather special is that it feels like these
Speaker 4: characters have lives outside of their scenes and are whereas
Speaker 4: other films sometimes where something's not explained, it just feels
Speaker 4: like it's lazy writing, or like it's this this this
Speaker 4: film has a depth where you just, like I you know,
Speaker 4: you do feel like there's things happening it feels like
Speaker 4: you're in you're getting little snippets of a of a
Speaker 4: larger world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think when you make these epic films,
Speaker 2: you can kind of, you know, like be in front
Speaker 2: of your audience a bit and let them, let them
Speaker 2: catch up. And I think all good writing, you know,
Speaker 2: you have to be in front of the audience as
Speaker 2: soon as the audience gets ahead of you. You know,
Speaker 2: every every scene, the audience should be asking questions. You know,
Speaker 2: like you know there's and there's a difference between being
Speaker 2: way too confused and intrigued.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that you know, I'm writing, I'm writing
Speaker 2: an episode of How to Stay Married, like literally the
Speaker 2: final episode of the season, and like there was a
Speaker 2: scene that I had that I kind of was wondering
Speaker 2: if I was the cut out because you know, something happened.
Speaker 2: There's some advice that the character gives another character and
Speaker 2: then they act on that advice, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Do I need that?
Speaker 2: Can the audience can just understand why this character has
Speaker 2: made that decision, you know, And weirdly, when I was
Speaker 2: watching Kay, it's so ridiculous, I know to be talking
Speaker 2: like in these terms, but when I saw Kay had this,
Speaker 2: you know, and way more serious discussion and what's going
Speaker 2: to be happening on my little TV show. But like
Speaker 2: you just the audience gets it, you understand, as long
Speaker 2: as you know it doesn't come completely out of the blue,
Speaker 2: and this doesn't come out of the blue even though
Speaker 2: we haven't seen her for so long, because we know
Speaker 2: what Michael's like and we know that Kay has not
Speaker 2: liked this lifestyle, so it just it just makes sense.
Speaker 2: All all of her reasons for doing it have been
Speaker 2: in front of us, even without seeing her or seeing
Speaker 2: being inside her head. We don't need it because we've
Speaker 2: seen we've seen the life that's been put around her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and by that stage we absolutely agree with her.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just like, yes, get away from this guy. He's
Speaker 4: poison Yeah, and your children risk getting sucked into the
Speaker 4: exact same cycle he's part of. And it sucks because
Speaker 4: you know, we you know, we really loved Michael early
Speaker 4: on ye and that that you know, at the end
Speaker 4: where it's got him at the dinner table, I was
Speaker 4: just like, this is heartbreaking. This is heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the the the dinner table, let's let's
Speaker 2: we'll maybe say the dinner table for the phone. We
Speaker 2: will wrap up pretty soon. And I know it's it's
Speaker 2: so much to jump around in this movie, but we
Speaker 2: should point out we did talk briefly about the killing
Speaker 2: of the nurture, but not the actual scene that that
Speaker 2: scene is is is it's iconic, but it's just a
Speaker 2: what a brilliant you know, these brilliant touches.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember sating the timmy.
Speaker 2: Little about die Hard and and you know the idea
Speaker 2: that Bruce willis, you know, like everything kind of happens
Speaker 2: when he's he's just kind of taking the shower and
Speaker 2: he's just you know, he hasn't putty. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's pretty his shoes on, you know. And then and
Speaker 2: that means he's running around in bare feet, and that
Speaker 2: means he's going to get wounded by glass. And that
Speaker 2: just adds another you know, these little decisions that you
Speaker 2: make that kind of have you know, ramifications, and and
Speaker 2: this is having like that, you know, the light not
Speaker 2: working or Vito kind of manipulating the light, and then
Speaker 2: and then you know, and and then Finci coming in
Speaker 2: and fixing the light, and you see this like as
Speaker 2: it kind of glows in and out you kind of
Speaker 2: see Veto hiding and then he comes forward and he's
Speaker 2: wrapped up the you know, a.
Speaker 1: Towel to act as a silencer.
Speaker 2: And then so so when Financi turns around, he's a
Speaker 2: bit confused as to what's happening because he recognizes the guy,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't know why he's holding this kind of
Speaker 2: white towel in front of him wrap around his and
Speaker 2: then he gets shot in the face, and and and
Speaker 2: then and then it catches on fire, which is just
Speaker 2: a brilliant just little detail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really interesting seeing what he what he
Speaker 4: did put in and what he didn't, you know, like
Speaker 4: you say, there's you know, the little touches there that
Speaker 4: the end it probably could have worked, but it was
Speaker 4: just him shooting him. But it you know, you got
Speaker 4: these beautiful moments soon the lead out for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well and it's also like the one another moment like
Speaker 2: that is is when and again, none of these things
Speaker 2: that you're supposed to kind of foresee, you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to go, ah, yes, you know they're doing you know,
Speaker 2: Bruce Willis is and put shoes on because he's going
Speaker 2: to run on glass later on, Like when when Michael
Speaker 2: is talking to young Anthony about fishing, and he's and
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of heartbreak because he's saying he's so
Speaker 2: proud of himself by saying, I used to catch the
Speaker 2: biggest fish. You know, out of all my brothers, I
Speaker 2: caught the biggest fish. And he says, the reason I
Speaker 2: caught the biggest fish because before you know, put the
Speaker 2: line in, I used to say a Hail Mary. And
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's like a beautiful litle detail, and
Speaker 2: you think it's more, you know, it is about Fredo
Speaker 2: having a last moment to boast, and then when he's
Speaker 2: in the boat and he's there's a reason for him
Speaker 2: to say to Hail Mary, and the fact that he's
Speaker 2: praying with his back turn and he's about to you know,
Speaker 2: be assassinated as he's saying to Hail Mary is just
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it's it's brilliant. It's so it's
Speaker 2: so damn brilliant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah, that's such a beautiful moment. And the
Speaker 4: way he framed it where he's like, really he's quite
Speaker 4: far out and then he starts to shift the frame over,
Speaker 4: so it's just Fredo and it's just yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: good just almost to civilized life that he's alone it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it made me wonder how much, you know, a director
Speaker 4: that's as skilled as he does as he is makes
Speaker 4: you think or feel something without you knowing that he's
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's where you know, rast for a
Speaker 2: couple is not just brilliant because he like, you know,
Speaker 2: he wrote a lot of these films with the puck
Speaker 2: ups now, so he's not just that and that he
Speaker 2: can make these big epicts, But there's so that all
Speaker 2: those things are just things that happen almost on a
Speaker 2: subconscious level, and you're not supposed to notice them until
Speaker 2: you do a podcast where you have to notice things
Speaker 2: like that, when you've got to talk about like you're
Speaker 2: not like that. They're supposed to either be cool or
Speaker 2: they're supposed to you know, And then you watch it
Speaker 2: maybe a second or third time, and then you start
Speaker 2: picking up these things. But subconsciously, the first time you
Speaker 2: watch it, you would have picked something, you know, something up.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And that's what's so you know,
Speaker 2: brilliant about it. And well, one point I just wanted
Speaker 2: to make out Michael's like the changing of Michael and
Speaker 2: from where he wasn't not only the side of this film,
Speaker 2: but even more so to start a series one is
Speaker 2: when because it's all about family. It's all about family,
Speaker 2: and he's weighing up and his chat to his mum
Speaker 2: and his mom says you can never lose your family,
Speaker 2: and Michael says, times are changing, and that's that's for me.
Speaker 2: It was like the Michael that we knew is definitely
Speaker 2: gone now, because that's right.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that. The conversation with his mum and
Speaker 4: almost trying to get his answers from his mom about
Speaker 4: how did dad do this without losing all of you
Speaker 4: or losing love and his mum. I don't think his
Speaker 4: mum quite. I don't know. His mom just couldn't. And
Speaker 4: maybe that was a chance for his mum to help him,
Speaker 4: but it didn't. It didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his mum had realized because it's always
Speaker 2: been you don't help, don't do anything until mom dies,
Speaker 2: or don't tell you know, like she's been put I
Speaker 2: mean she's barely even barely seen.
Speaker 1: In these movies.
Speaker 2: You know, she's had more lines in this movie than
Speaker 2: she you know, I wouldn't have known what she looked like,
Speaker 2: to be honest, like after Godfather apart one. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's really fascinating. So we get to the end.
Speaker 2: We'll wrap up soon, the final that the family shot,
Speaker 2: so Freda gets killed. We go to that family shot
Speaker 2: and what's heartbreaking is we you know, we go back
Speaker 2: to you know, pre Godfather film where Michaels announced he's
Speaker 2: going to join the army, and what's heartbreaking is Freda
Speaker 2: is the only brother that supports.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a choice to do it.
Speaker 4: That's twisting and interesting seeing the lawyer be the one
Speaker 4: who was kind of against it. So maybe you get
Speaker 4: some of Michael's animosity later on. Oh sorry, earlier in
Speaker 4: the film where Michael sort of flashing out a bit
Speaker 4: at him. Yeah, you can see why now, because there's
Speaker 4: almost a bit of blame that he's in the position
Speaker 4: is because of that, It's because of him. But yeah,
Speaker 4: see seeing the brother lean across the table to shake
Speaker 4: his hand, I'm just like, it was just so sad.
Speaker 2: I know, it's so for on and then just a
Speaker 2: couple of things about that scene actually from a production
Speaker 2: point of view, James Kahn. Obviously he did like a day,
Speaker 2: and he demanded that he have the same salary that
Speaker 2: he got for the first film then just for just
Speaker 2: doing that day, which some people have said it was
Speaker 2: a little bit diverish. I say, if you can get it,
Speaker 2: get it. I imagine he was probably underpaid for, you know,
Speaker 2: the first film because you know, they didn't know if
Speaker 2: it was going to be a hit or not, and
Speaker 2: it was a hit, and so why not claim some
Speaker 2: of the back?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, his agent, obviously, his management obviously said look,
Speaker 4: they can afford this, so ask for it, and if
Speaker 4: we can't get it, we can't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm yeah, I'm talking that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know what we could not know what the
Speaker 4: circumstances was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know how unreasonably it was,
Speaker 2: but it seems okay. Brando was supposed to be there
Speaker 2: but did not rock up because he decided that Paramount
Speaker 2: did not treating well during Godfather Part one and so
Speaker 2: did not did not arrive. So they shot it the
Speaker 2: following day and that's why he arrives and it's all
Speaker 2: happens off screen. I thought it works really well. Way
Speaker 2: they did it.
Speaker 4: I did too, and I actually think it might have
Speaker 4: hurt if he was there, because it did feel like
Speaker 4: this was about the brothers Yea and the family and
Speaker 4: the sister. It felt like I don't think the scene
Speaker 4: needed Marlon Brando's presence in it.
Speaker 1: I completely agree.
Speaker 2: If those paying attention Brando or don Keylote that's the
Speaker 2: next film. Don collie birthday would have been December seven,
Speaker 2: because there's a reference to the Jap dropping bombs on
Speaker 2: Daddy's birthday, which was of course Pearl Harbor on December seventh.
Speaker 2: So fun facts, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a fun fact. It's a
Speaker 4: mildly interesting.
Speaker 1: It's a really fun fact.
Speaker 2: Look and for your next film, you will watch Pearl
Speaker 2: Harbor with Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: It's a very similar film.
Speaker 2: I think you'll find it is interesting that, you know,
Speaker 2: like Michael survives and like Fredo ends up dead, Hyman
Speaker 2: Roth dies and Frankie, you know, he slashes his wrist
Speaker 2: in jail, which kind of I thought of the you know,
Speaker 2: after being visited you know by Tommy Hagen, I kind
Speaker 2: of the line. I thought it wasn't even from the Godfather,
Speaker 2: it was from the usual suspects. You know that he
Speaker 2: could he could bend the will of men, you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that he could make Frankie do that.
Speaker 1: Just through basically suggestion.
Speaker 2: It was was showed the power and the fear people
Speaker 2: had Michael coleone.
Speaker 4: Oh and yeah his brother at the trial, and I'm
Speaker 4: just like, oh wow, this is it set me off
Speaker 4: on a real mob mathia movie rabbit hole now because
Speaker 4: I've never seen good Fellows, so that's the next time
Speaker 4: I'm going to watch it. I am good Fellas and
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go down and then the Irishman.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go through all.
Speaker 2: Well and and what and you know, have a break,
Speaker 2: go shoot rose Haven. But you'll come back hopefully next season,
Speaker 2: even the season after, you know, when you're ready to
Speaker 2: watch it.
Speaker 1: Godfather Part three gets a bit of a bum deal.
Speaker 1: I watched it.
Speaker 2: I actually interviewed fans for a couple a few months
Speaker 2: ago for the Godfather Part three. He has made some
Speaker 2: some tweaks, and I think it's I watched it and
Speaker 2: actually really enjoyed it. And after watching this like and
Speaker 2: watching go f Other part three so kind of recently
Speaker 2: like it makes even more sense to me. Now, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's got a lot to offer, and it's
Speaker 2: not in the conversation of the greatest film ever, which
Speaker 2: this is, as is the First Godfather, but not many
Speaker 2: films are in that conversation.
Speaker 4: So is there a revised cut that I should watch
Speaker 4: instead of the original?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What watch the revised cut? It is a better it's
Speaker 2: a better movie because.
Speaker 4: I was Yeah, I was not going to watch it
Speaker 4: because I was scared of ruining the memory of the
Speaker 4: first two amazing films.
Speaker 2: No, you won't do that if you if you, if
Speaker 2: you lower your expectations a little, like they said, it's
Speaker 2: not in the same conversation as the greatest film of
Speaker 2: all time, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's better than something the Hedgehog.
Speaker 1: It's better than something the Hedgehog.
Speaker 2: It's better than most of the movies you it was
Speaker 2: for eleven Oscars, like, it's not like it was. It's no,
Speaker 2: So I recommend, I recommend watching it, but definitely watched
Speaker 2: the latest cut. And those who are listening, if you
Speaker 2: have seen GoF other part three, and I've been somebody
Speaker 2: who's kind of gone, you know, maybe you don't need.
Speaker 1: To watch part three.
Speaker 2: I really I enjoyed watching it and got a lot
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: Actually, I will watch it, I am.
Speaker 4: I do want to spend more time with those characters.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well you will some more. I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to outfind the other fact before we go, luke
Speaker 2: a couple of facts about ninet eleven. We'll move on. Hrushma, No,
Speaker 2: we won't go there, okay. Martin Scorsese, he was almost
Speaker 2: going to direct this film after the first one.
Speaker 1: French for Coppola was not going to direct this.
Speaker 2: He was happy to write it, co write it, but
Speaker 2: he suggested they do they find another director, and he's
Speaker 2: suggested Martin Scorsese, a young Martin Scorsese pre mean streets
Speaker 2: Martin Scorsese. But the student didn't go for it, and
Speaker 2: he ended up directing it, and I think the right call
Speaker 2: was made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be fascinating.
Speaker 2: Would have been a great film as well, of course
Speaker 2: it would have been, and I would love I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if Corse has ever spoken about it, but I
Speaker 2: would love to know if he must have. Even you know,
Speaker 2: in the years since Gone, I had thoughts what would
Speaker 2: I have done with Godfather part?
Speaker 1: So I would love to know that I'd rather.
Speaker 4: What I'd love to know is what what would have
Speaker 4: happened to it if it was Michael Bay or Wes
Speaker 4: Anderson had directed.
Speaker 1: I often think what would it be like if Anderson
Speaker 1: directed something?
Speaker 4: My idea if he was if there was one director
Speaker 4: or Tim Burton, you know, just really.
Speaker 2: Mix it up for the Farrely brothers, Hey, Albercino ordered
Speaker 2: the script to be rewritten, and before he would agree,
Speaker 2: he wasn't happy. Apparently it's going to be reported differently.
Speaker 2: What the one I believe is that he didn't think
Speaker 2: the script was bad. He just thought it could be better.
Speaker 2: So he ordered some rewrites, which franch for a couple
Speaker 2: of like quite late into the piece, before they started filming.
Speaker 2: The first sequel to win Best Picture, the very first one.
Speaker 2: There's only been one more, can you name it?
Speaker 1: Luke?
Speaker 2: Another sequel to have one Best Picture, Best Oscar Best Picture.
Speaker 2: It was also part of a trilogy, and it was
Speaker 2: in this point of time eighteen years ago. Okay, and
Speaker 2: I must say i'd forgotten this one Best picture?
Speaker 4: Is it? What's the genre? Is a action?
Speaker 1: It's It'll probably give it away. It's New Zealand fantasy,
Speaker 1: all right, New Zealand based fantasy.
Speaker 4: Okay, rights, that's all that Lord, the Two Kingdoms, Heavenly Creatures.
Speaker 1: No, it was a Return of the king the final one,
Speaker 1: the final one.
Speaker 4: Oh, the final one. I thought you said it was
Speaker 4: the second in the trilogy.
Speaker 1: No. Sorry, if I said that, I apologize. I led
Speaker 1: you down the wrong path. I had no chance, no
Speaker 1: chance at all.
Speaker 2: Robert de Niro only speaks about seventeen words. I heard
Speaker 2: somebody say it's twelve, and others said seventeen. About seventeen
Speaker 2: words of English in this he learned all that. He
Speaker 2: spent about three months in Italy to prepare, in Sicily
Speaker 2: to prepare.
Speaker 4: Oh, he wasn't fluent at that point.
Speaker 2: No, I think he went and and kind of learned
Speaker 2: and immersed himself as he was prone to do. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure he's still doing that.
Speaker 4: It's so different with a movie, I guess, and you know,
Speaker 4: an act like Albacina. But I can you know, I
Speaker 4: can't imagine the panic in my face if one of
Speaker 4: our key roaws having actors sort of sent us a
Speaker 4: message saying, skips act good enough, right Jesus.
Speaker 2: A week lefter, well, we have had a couple of
Speaker 2: you know, like sometimes it's because an actor has, you know,
Speaker 2: a scheduling clash or something, so you have to rewrite
Speaker 2: or or a location.
Speaker 1: You know, that's often what happens.
Speaker 2: It's a we're at a different location, so you need
Speaker 2: to rewrite, and that can be stressful, let alone.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we've had that. We've had like it
Speaker 4: wasn't a big deal, but at the time it was
Speaker 4: a big deal just because we were, you know, pushed
Speaker 4: for time. But we had a lot of jokes in
Speaker 4: the script about the meeting room. And then when we
Speaker 4: got to the actual office, a location we got didn't
Speaker 4: have a meeting room, and so all these meeting room
Speaker 4: jokes had to get thrown out.
Speaker 1: Have you been filming in that office for years?
Speaker 4: Like, no, We've had to change offers right between three times,
Speaker 4: right and with this and it'll be a fourth this season.
Speaker 4: We've got a new office this season as well. Because
Speaker 4: every time we every time we in between seasons, it
Speaker 4: gets rented out or demolished and made into something else
Speaker 4: or well.
Speaker 2: That that is the other thing that people you know,
Speaker 2: who watch television may not realize. It's it's like, because
Speaker 2: we have our family house, the Butler House, and we
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, just hope that we can get
Speaker 2: that house back and the family who lived there lovely
Speaker 2: and thankfully enjoy you know, the show and are happy
Speaker 2: to you know, to disappear for you know, be put
Speaker 2: up another accommodation for you know, seven I think three
Speaker 2: or four weeks.
Speaker 1: But you know that's often, I reckon.
Speaker 2: Often if you see a character move house between series,
Speaker 2: is because they couldn't get the house back.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh, and we didn't even acknowledge at this time.
Speaker 4: Last season we put like one line in there saying
Speaker 4: the same yet to move off us, and then this
Speaker 4: season we haven't even we don't even mention it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get on Twitter and say, hang on,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Hell changed officers and would have noticed that?
Speaker 1: For sure, I'll deny it.
Speaker 4: I'n't what we're talking about. I'll full I'll full on
Speaker 4: gas like you.
Speaker 2: And then and then I'll take pictures, screen picks of
Speaker 2: last season and this season and go proof is in
Speaker 2: the putty McGregor, fake fake news, facing news, alternative facts,
Speaker 2: last fun fact.
Speaker 1: Look before I thank you and send, you're on your way.
Speaker 2: Brando and de Niro are the only actors to win
Speaker 2: Oscars for playing the same character.
Speaker 4: It looks like the challenges on for us pizza. What
Speaker 4: role I liked it? Your last your last factors? You
Speaker 4: know the Gordon that's been thrown.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I recovered. I think I recovered from
Speaker 2: the the Pearl Harbor fun fact that you I think
Speaker 2: you're rattled by it, to.
Speaker 4: Be honest, it's just it's just a unusual and open
Speaker 4: with you. It was I would have swept that one
Speaker 4: in the middle as a kind of a side.
Speaker 1: Before we go.
Speaker 2: We had what one of the scene sequences we haven't
Speaker 2: mentioned was like the Senate inquiry whatever that was into
Speaker 2: the you know the mafia. It's the only time when
Speaker 2: the Mafia is actually mentioned in any of the Godfather movies.
Speaker 2: And how would you have gone? Do you think under
Speaker 2: such circumstances.
Speaker 4: Oh, just call it's a cucumber in front of it
Speaker 4: who sive media in a crowd and politicians trying to
Speaker 4: get me arrested.
Speaker 2: Cool as a cucumber, you say, Okay, Well, let's put
Speaker 2: that to the test. We don't often play little games
Speaker 2: like this, but I want I want you to answer
Speaker 2: some of the questions at the throne at Michael Collier.
Speaker 2: Let is see how Luke McGregor ticks, what he is
Speaker 2: like under pressure?
Speaker 1: Are you up for that?
Speaker 4: Yes, let's let's let's let's do it.
Speaker 1: Okay. Question number one, are you the son of Vito Corleone?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean no, So that's that's an easy one
Speaker 4: right at the top. If I was, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: We have pestimony from a witness, a previous witness, one
Speaker 3: Willie Chichi. He has stated that you are a head
Speaker 3: of the most powerful Markeia family in this country. Are you.
Speaker 4: Oh? Well, look, I don't want to brag, but uh,
Speaker 4: you know, we do, okay, we do, okay. We're got
Speaker 4: the most social media followers, which is i something we're.
Speaker 1: Very proud of.
Speaker 4: And it's mar rate against his So you know, if
Speaker 4: I was, I tell you because I'd be proud of it,
Speaker 4: but I'm not.
Speaker 3: The witness has testified that you are personally responsible for
Speaker 3: the murder of a New York City police captain in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven, and with him a man named Virgil Solozzo.
Speaker 4: You deny this, yes, So there's a funny story there.
Speaker 4: I like, he died of natural causes, and then as
Speaker 4: I was trying to help him. I tripped and did
Speaker 4: shoot him and through the head. But that was that
Speaker 4: was post to death. And I just think the I
Speaker 4: just think that you guys have it in for me.
Speaker 3: Is it true that in the year nineteen fifty you
Speaker 3: devised the murder of the heads of the so called
Speaker 3: five Families in New York to assume and consolidate your
Speaker 3: nefarious power.
Speaker 4: First of all, I didn't know what the furious means,
Speaker 4: and I shoot him. It's bad. And second of all,
Speaker 4: you know, yes, But and I'm going to have to
Speaker 4: go to my lawyer on this.
Speaker 6: Is it true that you have a controlling interest in
Speaker 6: three of the major hotels in Las Vegas?
Speaker 4: I do, but only so much in that I am
Speaker 4: trying to get twenty thousand points because once you get
Speaker 4: twenty thousand points, you get a free stay in the
Speaker 4: King Sweet that has a spa. So more's it's more
Speaker 4: about what you call it points, Chaser, less about the murdering.
Speaker 1: This man's innocent.
Speaker 2: Clearly well played, Luke McGregor. You can go, you can
Speaker 2: work for you. You are an innocent man. What a relief,
Speaker 2: Hey mate, thank you so much again. I know this
Speaker 2: comes with homework. Often say but this was I think
Speaker 2: the longest film anyone has has watched for us.
Speaker 4: But I didn't have to run an essay. You just
Speaker 4: made me watch one of the greatest films of all time,
Speaker 4: so I can't complain.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Carl Chandler watch Titanic and it's a similar time, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you beat you beat that man.
Speaker 4: He must have been. He must have been to have
Speaker 4: chained himself to a chair because Carl does not like
Speaker 4: movies very much, he does not watch them.
Speaker 1: He did very well.
Speaker 2: It's very entertaining chat, as was this Luke McGregor. Rose
Speaker 2: Haven Series five will be on your screens in the
Speaker 2: ABC sometime this year. But mate, thanks again, and we'll
Speaker 2: catch you on the flip side, and.
Speaker 4: Expect a very very different season of Brosehaven now that
Speaker 4: I've seen The Godfather Part one and two. It's going
Speaker 4: to be some big shifts.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of scenes where where Luke's character closes
Speaker 2: the door on Cillybaqualla's.
Speaker 1: In her face to.
Speaker 4: Be Barbara, I reckon to be my mother nodding, and
Speaker 4: then rival real estation she just gets taken.
Speaker 1: Thanks mate, Thanks people. That was Luke McGregor.
Speaker 2: One of my great mates and Godfather part who I
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed that. I know we jumped around it
Speaker 2: like it's hard enough any film we speak about, because
Speaker 2: we don't, you know, I can go in with a
Speaker 2: bit of a plan as to you know, how I
Speaker 2: want the conversation to unfold. But my guests, who has
Speaker 2: watched the movie for the first time, you know, usually
Speaker 2: within the last twenty four hours, you know, they they
Speaker 2: have their own thoughts, and so we jumped around a
Speaker 2: lot today. I hope it kind of hung together and
Speaker 2: made sense. There's there's, so, there's. I had a lot
Speaker 2: more notes, but you know, I try to keep the
Speaker 2: podcast to a some kind of time minimum.
Speaker 1: It has blown out.
Speaker 2: I think the last time we chatted that god Father one,
Speaker 2: it was like a forty five minute of episode. I
Speaker 2: think we're you know, we're getting close to the running time.
Speaker 2: I've got Father parts with that one. But I hope
Speaker 2: you enjoyed it. It's a movie that ideally loved and
Speaker 2: continue to love. Also, yeah, I interviewed Friends for a
Speaker 2: Coppola a few months ago. That is I think on
Speaker 2: the project YouTube channel if you want to check that out.
Speaker 2: It's about a roughly about an eight to ten minute
Speaker 2: the interview. He was amazing and I did not have
Speaker 2: anywhere near enough time to chat with him. I could
Speaker 2: have spoken to him NonStop for a week, as I
Speaker 2: imagine you can imagine. Anyway, Thank you so much, Steric
Speaker 2: my Eyes, my podcast manager, Castways Studios dot com dot
Speaker 2: you for all your podcast need. You can get in
Speaker 2: touch with me at Yasney podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Like Stair stair Hole, I'm not sure if that's the
Speaker 2: name or just your email.
Speaker 1: Just stair Hole gone to me.
Speaker 2: He loved or she I'm not sure if Stare is
Speaker 2: a lady or a man.
Speaker 1: Loved the Jaws episode with Celia Pacola.
Speaker 2: Some great bits of trivia and behind the scenes anecdote
Speaker 2: see Luke McGregor. Sometimes these fun facts are fun one minor,
Speaker 2: but dantic nerdy quibble, though always happy for nerdy quibbles.
Speaker 2: Dravius's character was referring to Brisbane, California. I made the
Speaker 2: point in that episode that he says Brisbane and it
Speaker 2: was like an ausy shout out, which is pronounced exactly
Speaker 2: as he said it. So it's right on the San
Speaker 2: Francisco Bay, which is full of sharks, so it makes
Speaker 2: more sense than being summoned to the inland of Brisbane, Queensland.
Speaker 2: Hooper's Brisbane line bothered me for about forty years until
Speaker 2: I learned this. Now I can enjoy the movie fully
Speaker 2: and sleep soundly. That thank you so much for that,
Speaker 2: because I did think it was weird that he would
Speaker 2: have been called the Brisbane. I just kind of took
Speaker 2: it more so that he was called the Brisbane or
Speaker 2: Queensland where you know there are sharks around, but yes, Brisbane,
Speaker 2: San Francisco did not know that place existed. Hello, if
Speaker 2: you're listening from there, Teresa Smith is loving the show.
Speaker 2: Good Apete, Thanks so much for a great podcast. Your
Speaker 2: chats always seem so effortless and casual because my guests
Speaker 2: are awesome. I've started a list on movies I've not
Speaker 2: gotten around to watching yet, so I enjoy hearing others
Speaker 2: thoughts before committing that's each There's more people than I
Speaker 2: thought are listening to this podcast before they watched the movie,
Speaker 2: which is hey, each of their own. The last two
Speaker 2: episodes really took me back. That was Grease and Pretty
Speaker 2: in Pink, and I watched them over and over and
Speaker 2: over again as someone who grew up in the eighties.
Speaker 2: A couple of comments stuck with me and I usually
Speaker 2: don't write emails, and I'm sure you get loads, so
Speaker 2: may not get to this one.
Speaker 1: Well guess what I did.
Speaker 2: But in Greece, when you were discussing a net, I
Speaker 2: wanted to tell you it's a net fun of Cello.
Speaker 2: For all the things I've called out for people to
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, to comment on, this is
Speaker 2: the one that has got the biggest reaction, and that
Speaker 2: fun of Cello. She was an actress from the Mickey
Speaker 2: Mouse Club. I did cover that last week, but thank
Speaker 2: you Theresa for getting onto it. The other comment was
Speaker 2: between you and Dave Hughes as to what Andrew McCarthy
Speaker 2: is up to these days.
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 2: He was the director of Orange is the New Black
Speaker 2: and apparently a travel writer who has one awards. I
Speaker 2: reckon I'll give up back think too.
Speaker 1: What a gig.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks again for a great podcast regards, Teresa. Thank
Speaker 2: you much, Teresa yasny podcast at gmail dot com. I
Speaker 2: love all the reactions I'm getting and I've said a
Speaker 2: few times, this lovely community we're building. It's a lovely
Speaker 2: kind movie loving space and I appreciate it. Next week
Speaker 2: on the show or next episode, very funny lady. I've
Speaker 2: known her for about a decade now and she has
Speaker 2: risen and risen and risen year on and in the
Speaker 2: comedy industry.
Speaker 1: She's much loved in the comedy.
Speaker 2: Community and her brand is becoming bigger and bigger each year.
Speaker 2: Jeraldine Hickey is one of the funniest ladies in Australia
Speaker 2: and she'll be joining me next week to discuss Harold
Speaker 2: and Maude. There is a lot to discuss about that film.
Speaker 2: It's a film I saw for the first time a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. I really enjoyed it. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward again to watching it before I checked the jazz
Speaker 2: and yeah, So next week Geraldine Hickey, the very Funny
Speaker 2: Jeraldin Hickey discussing Harold Mode. Until then, Bye, and so
Speaker 2: we leave Old Pete save Fan Soult and to our
Speaker 2: friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good night.