Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say exactly.
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Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba.
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Speaker 1: Now. It is a very special day today. It is
Speaker 1: Daffodil Day, and this is a day that's very close
Speaker 1: to our hearts because we did lose our beautiful papa
Speaker 1: to cancer in twenty nineteen. So it's very important for
Speaker 1: everyone to get behind the course today because there's just
Speaker 1: so many people living with cancer in their lives.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Daffidil Day has always been really special to us. I
Speaker 1: always remember been primary school going and buying the Daffodil
Speaker 1: Day bear because our year five teacher had cancer, so
Speaker 1: it was a big day at our school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we were so honored to be asked by
Speaker 4: the Cancer Cancel to be ambassadors for Daffidil Day this year,
Speaker 4: so we jumped at the chance to get involved and
Speaker 4: promote such a special day. It was quite funny. We
Speaker 4: had to get our mum to take a photo of
Speaker 4: us with some daffodils on the weekend and it ended
Speaker 4: up being quite hilarious. We got tootored out by a
Speaker 4: lot of cars and we felt like our mum was
Speaker 4: being a bit of a stage mum Chris Jenner with
Speaker 4: a big camera out, but it was It's all for
Speaker 4: a good course, So thank you mum for taking that
Speaker 4: photo of us.
Speaker 1: So if you can, can you please donate to the
Speaker 1: Daffodil Day Appeal. All donations and funds raised through the
Speaker 1: sale of daffodils and merchandise will directly fund cancer research
Speaker 1: projects across Australia, So anything you can, please just put
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Speaker 1: wonderful cause I'm going to be buying one of the bears.
Speaker 1: They're so gorgeous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can donate at www dot Daffidil Day dot
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Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: Now posted on my Instagram about vaccines and pregnancy this morning,
Speaker 1: and a number of Instagram.
Speaker 2: Influencers fired right back.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, don't take your health advice from Instagram influencers.
Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has officially been canceled. The twenty two year
Speaker 1: old wellness Warrior has lost twenty two thousand followers this
Speaker 1: month after sharing alarming anti VAX's views across her social
Speaker 1: media platforms. Just this week, her partner Mitchell Orville likened
Speaker 1: hotel quarantine to prison and Chloe said her critics have
Speaker 1: an illness worse than any virus. A new trend is
Speaker 1: quickly growing momentum on TikTok, showing jen z as unfollowing
Speaker 1: Chloe and also throwing out their ZEP activewear. Now, so
Speaker 1: before we get into the topic, can you give us
Speaker 1: a little overview on who Chloe Zepp is well. Chloe
Speaker 1: Zepp is quickly becoming one of Australia's most talked about
Speaker 1: wellness influencers. She runs a string of businesses, including fitness
Speaker 1: label ZEP and wellness platform well Web. Now. We were
Speaker 1: first introduced to a fifteen year old Chloe back in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen when she appeared in her Best Friend at
Speaker 1: Shiny Grimman's blogs, and it was her relationship with fellow
Speaker 1: influencer Mitchell Orvil which quickly became the focus of her
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. So very soon into their relationship, she moved
Speaker 1: from Brisbane to Melbourne to live with Mitch and his family,
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Mitchell grew his online
Speaker 1: following through his pranks channel, which was called Angry Dad. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: the pair share a YouTube channel together called Chloe and Mitch,
Speaker 1: where they document their daily life. But if we rewind
Speaker 1: to only a year ago, Chloe and Mitch were in
Speaker 1: a very different position. They were somewhat of a golden
Speaker 1: couple of YouTube. They were attracting a lot of praise
Speaker 1: and attention online for being so open about their struggles
Speaker 1: and traumas, and followers really loved how transparent Chloe and
Speaker 1: Mitch were about their relationship struggles. They even documented their
Speaker 1: first breakup and Mitch moving out of the house, and
Speaker 1: they've also spoken so candidly about their miscarriage at the
Speaker 1: start of twenty twenty and also their pregnancy journey with Artie.
Speaker 1: And Mitch also garnered a lot of praise and admiration
Speaker 1: for opening up about his drug addiction and also sharing
Speaker 1: his recovery along the way. And I feel like the
Speaker 1: reason we are so disheartened by what is going on
Speaker 1: at the moment is we have been so invested in
Speaker 1: their story, and I feel like we been rooting for
Speaker 1: them along the way. So I think that's why we're
Speaker 1: all feeling a little bit blindsided by what's been going
Speaker 1: on the past couple of months now. Kate, for those
Speaker 1: who haven't listened to previous episodes, which we will link
Speaker 1: in the show notes, can you give us a bit
Speaker 1: of a rundown of where this canceling is coming from.
Speaker 2: I feel like this.
Speaker 4: Cancelation has been coming for a while now. So Chloe
Speaker 4: has been caught out liking anti VAX's posts. One of
Speaker 4: the posts included when a Gold Coast hairdresser posted that
Speaker 4: she was going to ban vaccinated people from entering her salon.
Speaker 4: Chloe has also supported lockdown protests on her Instagram story.
Speaker 4: She's been caught out not wearing a mask in public
Speaker 4: despite them being mandatory in the Gold Coast, and Mitch
Speaker 4: has also been caught out congregating in large groups at
Speaker 4: the beach when they're meant to be social distancing. And
Speaker 4: Chloe has also said on her Instagram story that people
Speaker 4: that criticize her for her anti science views have an
Speaker 4: illness worse than any virus going around now.
Speaker 1: When it comes to cancelation, I feel like the numbers
Speaker 1: speak for themselves. Amy, can you talk us through where
Speaker 1: Chloe's current follower count stands well. Chloe is rapidly losing
Speaker 1: followers by the day. Over the past thirty days, she's
Speaker 1: lost twenty two thousand, five hundred and thirty followers and
Speaker 1: that's three point five percent of her following. So currently
Speaker 1: Chloe still has six hundred and fifty seven thousand followers.
Speaker 1: Mitch has lost five thousand, seven hundred and sixty followers
Speaker 1: in the last thirty days and he currently has a
Speaker 1: following of two hundred and eighty seven thousand, and in
Speaker 1: the last thirty days, he's lost one point nine six
Speaker 1: percent of his following. As for Chloe and Mitch's family
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, they have lost two thousand subscribers in the
Speaker 1: last thirty days, with their subscribe account currently sitting at
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty two thousand and When you take
Speaker 1: a look at Chloe's active where brand account, zep it
Speaker 1: has lost two eight hundred and twenty thousand followers in
Speaker 1: the past thirty days, which is a huge hit for
Speaker 1: a business Instagram account.
Speaker 4: I do feel like while these numbers sound big, it's
Speaker 4: not really When you do put into consideration the percentage
Speaker 4: of their following that they have lost. I really would
Speaker 4: like to urge any one who is still following Mitch
Speaker 4: and Chloe that disagrees with their stance to unfollow them,
Speaker 4: because this is the only way we're going to take
Speaker 4: that power away from them.
Speaker 1: It's so true, and I think that's what people are
Speaker 1: realizing that people power does work. So not only is
Speaker 1: Chloe losing thousands of followers by the day, but her
Speaker 1: active where brand ZEP is also taking a big hit.
Speaker 1: There is a new TikTok trend where jen zets are
Speaker 1: creating videos of themselves unfollowing Chloe or throwing away their
Speaker 1: ZEP active where in some videos the women are drawing
Speaker 1: over the ZEP branding or they're threatening to burn the
Speaker 1: clothes in an attempt to boycott the brand totally. It
Speaker 1: seems this trend was actually spurred on though, by a
Speaker 1: TikTok Chloe created herself. Now, Kate, what was this TikTok?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So on Saturday, Chloe shared a video to TikTok with
Speaker 4: the caption how to continue on your day even if
Speaker 4: you don't agree with something Now. In the video, she
Speaker 4: shows herself outside her Gold Coast mansion and she marches
Speaker 4: into the shop with her arms flailing and looks at
Speaker 4: the camera and then marches out swinging her arms again.
Speaker 4: So many followers have said that the video was the
Speaker 4: final straw and has insulted people genuinely concerned about public health.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think this type of video does
Speaker 4: for Chloe's Active where brand? Obviously we're seeing that people
Speaker 4: are beginning to destroy their zet merch, But do you
Speaker 4: guys think this will have a lasting effect on her brand?
Speaker 1: I think it will because I've seen people also filming
Speaker 1: videos where they're actually unsubscribing from her mailing list. I
Speaker 1: just don't understand why she felt the need to post
Speaker 1: this TikTok at all. It's like all of the Orville family,
Speaker 1: they keep jumping on social media. I feel like, what
Speaker 1: do they expect the outcome is going to be? Personally,
Speaker 1: I would be humiliated to walk around with any ZEP
Speaker 1: active where on. Even if I was going for a
Speaker 1: walk down the road, I wouldn't want to be seen
Speaker 1: in it because these days, what you wear does really
Speaker 1: reflect your views. So if I was walking around in
Speaker 1: that sort of get up, I would assume people would
Speaker 1: think I was an anti vaxer. I actually have seen
Speaker 1: videos on TikTok as well where people have had their
Speaker 1: zet parcels arrive and they just kick it along the ground.
Speaker 1: So these are obviously people who who are big fans
Speaker 1: of Chloe Zep, I mean so much so that they've
Speaker 1: bought her active where within the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and they've turned Yeah, I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: complaining that you couldn't actually return the gear.
Speaker 4: Because they've obviously placed an order and then found out
Speaker 4: about her anti lockdown, anti vax stance. It is interesting though,
Speaker 4: because in the last couple of days, Chloe has actually
Speaker 4: launched a new drop of her Zep active wear, so
Speaker 4: she's introduced these new flared pants and I had to
Speaker 4: look at the website because normally her gear sells out
Speaker 4: within minutes. I remember her bike shorts were just such
Speaker 4: a hot item. However, now a couple of days later,
Speaker 4: she still has white and black pants both still in stock.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's so unfortunate for her is
Speaker 1: that it's named after her last name, of course, being Zep,
Speaker 1: and I don't think too many young women are going
Speaker 1: to want to be a walking billboard for her. I
Speaker 1: think that at the moment, so many young Australian women
Speaker 1: are so passionate about vaccinations and about getting out of
Speaker 1: this situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so if you so much so that I saw
Speaker 4: Tarllie Smyth actually posted a photo of herself wearing a
Speaker 4: brand that was called Vaxed and she was saying, I'm
Speaker 4: proud to wear this?
Speaker 2: Is that coming off stacks? Is that well? This good
Speaker 2: brand alignment?
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Chloe even considered the launch
Speaker 1: of her active wearline in terms of putting that video
Speaker 1: up and what bad publicity it was.
Speaker 2: I think it's a case.
Speaker 4: Similar to what we've talked about with Sarah's Day, that
Speaker 4: they surround themselves with yes people and it seems like
Speaker 4: a lot of people in their group and their family
Speaker 4: all believe the same thing. So it's become a bit
Speaker 4: of an echo chamber. So I honestly think that they
Speaker 4: are quite removed from reality about what everyday Australians are
Speaker 4: thinking and sort of seeing only things discussed online that
Speaker 4: they believe. You know, they follow certain hashtags and certain
Speaker 4: groups that they probably think, oh, people are going to
Speaker 4: agree with us. Do you think as well, that they thought,
Speaker 4: Oh well, bad publicity is also good publicity in a
Speaker 4: way if everyone's talking about you, Because even we saw
Speaker 4: with Sarah's Day's active wear line with White Fox Boutique
Speaker 4: that still continued to sell out despite all the controversy
Speaker 4: she had with that certain video clip. I do like
Speaker 4: your theory, but unfortunately, I don't even think that that
Speaker 4: has crossed their mind. I think that, as Kate said,
Speaker 4: they are surrounded by a bunch of yes people. I'm
Speaker 4: sure all the people that gather with them in the
Speaker 4: morning at the beach are properly cheering them on, saying
Speaker 4: this is a great idea, But I don't think they're
Speaker 4: the people they should be taking advice from. So let's
Speaker 4: move on to the next controversy because this week has
Speaker 4: been a big week for Chloe and Mitch. So on Sunday,
Speaker 4: Mitch and Chloe shared a vlog to their joint YouTube channel,
Speaker 4: which has caused, as I said, more controversy. So the video,
Speaker 4: called Family Life and Deep Talks, has received over ninety
Speaker 4: thousand views. Now it's also received a lot of dislikes.
Speaker 4: I haven't actually seen this many dislikes on a YouTube video.
Speaker 2: For a while.
Speaker 4: So it's had three point one thousand dislikes and two
Speaker 4: point four thousand likes since the time of recording this episode. Now,
Speaker 4: at the start of the video, Mitch revealed his sister
Speaker 4: Hannah is struggling in hotel quarantine. So Hannah Orville really
Speaker 4: is an influencer in her own right. She has two
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy nine thousand followers and she is currently
Speaker 4: in hotel quarantine after traveling to Melbourne. Now, Hannah made
Speaker 4: the permanent move to the Gold Coast from her hometown
Speaker 4: of Melbourne in early July. So last year, Mitch's parents
Speaker 4: relocated to the Gold Coast during the Melbourne lockdown, and
Speaker 4: Hannah was also able to escape the Melbourne lockdown last
Speaker 4: year as she was dating AFL player Cameron Zaha, so
Speaker 4: she was able to travel to Queensland and join the
Speaker 4: AFL bubble. So in this YouTube video, Mitch referred to
Speaker 4: hotel quarantine as hotel prison, and he said that Hannah
Speaker 4: didn't have a balcony nor access to fresh air for
Speaker 4: two weeks. He also revealed Hannah has been suffering from
Speaker 4: an eating disorder for the last six months and has
Speaker 4: gotten to the point where it's been very scary for
Speaker 4: the family. Now, Mitch explained, Hannah received a call from
Speaker 4: the Public Health Department checking in on her, and she
Speaker 4: confided with this individual that she was struggling, not being
Speaker 4: able to exercise, and apparently the health worker said to
Speaker 4: her to eat less. Now, Mitch went on to slam
Speaker 4: Australia's healthcare system, and we'll throw to a clip of
Speaker 4: what he said.
Speaker 5: Currently, my sister is doing a hotel prison. In fourteen days.
Speaker 5: She landed one of the hotels with no balcony, no
Speaker 5: fresh air, can't even open a window. Two weeks anyway,
Speaker 5: not the point. Hannah has been suffering from an eating
Speaker 5: disorder for the good part of the last six months,
Speaker 5: to the point where it got so scary that like
Speaker 5: there was a lot like I don't even need to
Speaker 5: go into the details about it anyway, long story shot,
Speaker 5: very scary. Anyway, how is this? She faced timing, bawling
Speaker 5: her eyes out, and I answered, and I was like,
Speaker 5: how are you doing? She's like, oh, not that good?
Speaker 5: I said, why? She said, I just got a call
Speaker 5: from the Public Health Department. So the people that call
Speaker 5: in on people in so they've called her to check
Speaker 5: in on her and see how her mental health is
Speaker 5: doing and she said it wall clearly due to a
Speaker 5: fresh air can find space eating disorder. I'm struggling. My
Speaker 5: mental's not great. You know, I'm doing the best that
Speaker 5: I could, but you know, not being able to exercise
Speaker 5: and stuff like that to the best of my ability
Speaker 5: is playing with my mental His advice was eat less.
Speaker 5: If you can't exercise, eat less. She's got an eating disorder.
Speaker 5: This is where we're at, hey, this is where we're
Speaker 5: at as a society. It's all about protecting our health. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I'm exhausted from talking about it. I think everyone's very
Speaker 5: clear on my eyes down. So yeah, now I'm going
Speaker 5: to go do some shopping and take a little bundle
Speaker 5: of stuff over to Hanning because clearly she's going to
Speaker 5: need the extra hand. Thanks to the fucking public Health
Speaker 5: Department doing the fucking miraculous, wonderful job of encouraging Aaron
Speaker 5: checking in on her mental health. Thanks for that, mate,
Speaker 5: Leave that job to me, fucking dipshit.
Speaker 1: What I've noticed in a lot of Mitch's responses over
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks is a very aggressive home
Speaker 1: we haven't really heard before. There's a lot of anger
Speaker 1: being directed there in that video. It's almost kind of
Speaker 1: scary to watch. The thing is, I can understand in
Speaker 1: a way where he's coming from, because it was very
Speaker 1: irresponsible advice that was given to his sister Hannah, And
Speaker 1: I think in that instance, he was being quite defensive
Speaker 1: because he really cares about her health. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people have come out and said that they actually
Speaker 1: didn't have an issue with what Mitch said there, but
Speaker 1: also a lot of people have come out and said
Speaker 1: that they do have an issue. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: he went too far?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Amy.
Speaker 4: The thing is, I think everyone understands that it's very
Speaker 4: sad that Hannah is suffering with an eating disorder, and
Speaker 4: of course the advice that that healthcare worker allegedly provided
Speaker 4: was unacceptable, but it isn't acceptable.
Speaker 2: To slam the whole system.
Speaker 4: The healthcare system has been working so incredibly hard. Healthcare
Speaker 4: workers have been putting their lives on the line to
Speaker 4: help Australians in this unprecedented time, and I think it
Speaker 4: was very tone death of Mitch to call the whole
Speaker 4: system out. I mean, I can see why healthcare workers
Speaker 4: would be extreme offended by that.
Speaker 1: Behavior, and while I also sympathize with what Hannah's going through.
Speaker 1: I think we also have to point out that she
Speaker 1: did choose to travel knowing that there would be the
Speaker 1: chance she would be placed in hotel quarantine. That's what
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand either.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I did see this comment on Chloe and
Speaker 4: Mitch's YouTube video and could not agree more with it.
Speaker 4: So the comment said, I find it quite ironic that
Speaker 4: you are having a go at the worker publicly because
Speaker 4: he gave advice on a subject he wasn't educated on,
Speaker 4: when that's exactly what you and Chloe are doing. That's
Speaker 4: why we are so annoyed with you. You are uneducated
Speaker 4: on health and public safety matters, so please stop spreading
Speaker 4: anti lockdown and anti vax messages. What did you guys
Speaker 4: think about that comment?
Speaker 1: I think they're spot on. I found Mitch's stance regarding
Speaker 1: the healthcare workers apparent comments pretty hypocritical, considering he and
Speaker 1: Chloe used their platforms to push things like water detops
Speaker 1: and juice cleanses, as well as their emphasis on excessive exercise.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's what everyone is so frustrated about.
Speaker 4: This complete hypocrisy, and it seems like only once it
Speaker 4: really personally affects them that they arc up and get
Speaker 4: really aggressive. So I did not wish COVID on anyone,
Speaker 4: but it would be very interesting to see if their
Speaker 4: stance completely changed if someone in their family was affected.
Speaker 2: By the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Well later in the video, Chloe and Mitch also cause
Speaker 1: more controversy by openly not wearing masks while out shopping.
Speaker 1: So Mitch filmed Chloe's shopping in Kmart unmasked and awkwardly,
Speaker 1: everyone in the background is wearing a mask. So masks
Speaker 1: are currently mandatory in indoor areas on the Gold Coast,
Speaker 1: and we do not believe Chloe or Mitch a medically
Speaker 1: exempt from.
Speaker 2: Wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: I think what was even more disturbing in his video,
Speaker 1: apart from the non mask wearing, was the fact that
Speaker 1: they showed their child's pooh and the belief that I fell.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on? I was eating
Speaker 1: my dinner watching the Yeah, not even I mean, what
Speaker 1: about poor Artie when he grows up and he knows
Speaker 1: poo's whoo in the toilet? I mean, I totally understand
Speaker 1: as a parent being proud of the first time your
Speaker 1: child goes to the toilet, but I do so I
Speaker 1: think it's a private matter that you don't share with
Speaker 1: the rest.
Speaker 5: Of the world.
Speaker 1: It's a prime example of them sharing way too much
Speaker 1: when they should just shut up sometimes.
Speaker 2: And I do think Artie.
Speaker 1: Is a big reason why people continue following Chloe and
Speaker 1: Mitch's absolutely adorable and I think that people love to
Speaker 1: see them as parents. But I mean, it's just gone
Speaker 1: too far at the moment to continue supporting them.
Speaker 2: So it's not only.
Speaker 4: On TikTok that Chloe is receiving backclass.
Speaker 2: She's also been.
Speaker 4: Called out on Instagram by Ozzie Influencer's Opinion. Now this
Speaker 4: page went on a five month hiatus, but it's back
Speaker 4: to call out Antifax's influencers spreading misinformation. So Ozsie Influencer's
Speaker 4: Opinion called out Chloe for losing followers and for following
Speaker 4: questionable hashtags, including hashtag truth seekers. Now, if you're not
Speaker 4: familiar with this hashtag, it is an anti vaxxer and
Speaker 4: COVID conspiracy theory hashtag.
Speaker 2: Chloe was also.
Speaker 4: Found to be following a hashtag called hashtag spaces fake.
Speaker 1: Is it just me? Oh, I do not follow any
Speaker 1: hashtags I don't understand as a huge influencer why you
Speaker 1: would actually follow these controversial hashtags.
Speaker 4: I mean, I didn't know you actually could follow hashtags,
Speaker 4: would be honest. Now, a page that Chloe is also
Speaker 4: following is called seek the Truth and this is a
Speaker 4: anti vax and COVID conspiracy theory page and interestingly, Ozzie
Speaker 4: Influencer Opinions shared the m Davies and Tammy Hembroke are
Speaker 4: both following the page.
Speaker 2: Now, since Tammy has been.
Speaker 4: Called out for following this page, she did share in
Speaker 4: her YouTube comments that she is not anti vax and
Speaker 4: that she is actually booked in to get her vaccine,
Speaker 4: so that is great to hear, and since they were
Speaker 4: called out, both of them have unfollowed the page.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely living for the fact that Ozzie Influencer Opinions
Speaker 1: is back. I feel like it's feeling a bit of
Speaker 1: a void that Celebrity.
Speaker 2: Spellcheck last if.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that, can you imagine if celeb spell
Speaker 1: check was around right now, how much trouble they would
Speaker 1: be staring up. I did love that Ozzi Influencer Opinions
Speaker 1: went back to the archives and shared a video that
Speaker 1: really did not aid well. So it showed Mitch back
Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty, and he was urging people to
Speaker 1: take part in social distancing and for young people to
Speaker 1: protect the vulnerable people in society. Let's throw to the clip.
Speaker 5: It's been fine, Like honestly, I'm not even going to
Speaker 5: really complain, Like it's just been a bit of quality
Speaker 5: time at home. I've found activities to do, been training hard. Still, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I think we've been asked to sit
Speaker 5: at home and stay on the couch. Our ancestors were
Speaker 5: asked to pick up a gun and go to war perspective,
Speaker 5: and I think that's so fucking true. And I know, like,
Speaker 5: obviously the reason that we're social distancing is because we're
Speaker 5: in a fortunate position and we can We don't have
Speaker 5: to go to work, we don't have to do our stuff.
Speaker 5: So nurses, school teachers, all that stuff, all those people
Speaker 5: that literally have to go to work and stuff. Obviously
Speaker 5: you can't social distance, so that's not a problem. But
Speaker 5: I guess if you're in a fortunate enough position where
Speaker 5: you can do your part, I feel like you know
Speaker 5: too much of this attitude of I'm young, fit, healthy,
Speaker 5: I like, you fuck about the virus. It's not you
Speaker 5: that you have to worry about. It's you getting the
Speaker 5: virus and giving it to people around you, babies, kids,
Speaker 5: elderly people like it's just it pisces me off, but
Speaker 5: what can you do?
Speaker 1: I do remember watching these youtubes and really enjoying them
Speaker 1: during the lockdown period, So it is crazy to see
Speaker 1: in twelve months the type of content they're now sharing.
Speaker 4: Well, what an absolute shift of attitude as well. It's
Speaker 4: absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1: And the fact that they pointed out that they are
Speaker 1: in a privileged position where they can happily work at
Speaker 1: home still make money and urging people to let steal
Speaker 1: it all together. As you say, how can you switch
Speaker 1: so much in a year? I also love that The
Speaker 1: Ossie Influencer Opinion Instagram page also pointed out the complete
Speaker 1: hypocrisy from Chloe and her sister Kate surrounding a lot
Speaker 1: of the medical procedures they have had done so Ozsie
Speaker 1: Influencer Opinions shared a screenshop that revealed Chloe and Kate
Speaker 1: follow a page that sells illegal tanning injections, and the
Speaker 1: account also shared a video from four Corners from back
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when Kate zep was interviewed about her
Speaker 1: cosmetic injectibles and surgery. Chloe also featured in the segment
Speaker 1: as the show took clips from a video she shared
Speaker 1: on YouTube of hair getting botox and filler when she
Speaker 1: was just eighteen. And it's so interesting because Chloe and Kate,
Speaker 1: they seem happy to compromise their health to have a
Speaker 1: tan or bigger lips, but when it comes to protecting
Speaker 1: the public health of others, it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: quite an issue. They don't care what's in the products.
Speaker 4: I did really enjoy a meme that Mia Friedman shared.
Speaker 4: It was a post that says that you're a fan
Speaker 4: of injectibles but scared of vaccines, and then it says
Speaker 4: anti wrinkle injections are derived from the world's most deadly
Speaker 4: toxins from bacteria, and the liquid that we use to
Speaker 4: dissolve filler is from testicles, and that's sheep balls, to
Speaker 4: be precise.
Speaker 2: So it's quite hilarious when you do.
Speaker 4: See people who are anti vaxx and clearly have got
Speaker 4: a lot of filler in their face.
Speaker 2: Being quite hypocritical about it all.
Speaker 1: Now seems like this is all becoming a bit of
Speaker 1: a family affair because Mitch's mum Sharon Orville has also
Speaker 1: weighed in on the action. On Tuesday, she shared an
Speaker 1: eight minute video called I Stand for Australians, and Sharon
Speaker 1: said she was inspired by former NBA player Andrew Boget's
Speaker 1: video and had found the strength to finally speak her
Speaker 1: truth and stand up for people who need it most.
Speaker 1: Right now, so, Sharon said that she wanted everyone to
Speaker 1: stop being divided and stand together, even with differing opinions,
Speaker 1: to find a solution to the country's problems now. Controversially,
Speaker 1: Sharon said that the current solution was worse than the
Speaker 1: problem and that lockdowns didn't work.
Speaker 2: This is what she said.
Speaker 3: The way we are dealing with this situation with this
Speaker 3: virus isn't working. It's proving not to work because our
Speaker 3: numbers are going up. We're getting shut down for longer
Speaker 3: and longer periods. We're getting worse things happened to us
Speaker 3: where it's not getting better, it's getting worse. Okay. I
Speaker 3: want to do is say to you all, how about
Speaker 3: instead of attacking each other or forcing opinions on each other,
Speaker 3: we allow each other to have our opinion, to choose
Speaker 3: to get vaccinated or choose not to get vaccinated. Everyone's
Speaker 3: in a different place. I have an autoimmune disease, so
Speaker 3: my choice on getting vaccinated or not vaccinated is different
Speaker 3: to somebody else's choice. But we do have a choice.
Speaker 3: We should have a choice, and I think that we
Speaker 3: should all support each other.
Speaker 1: What did you think of this video?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I think it's quite clear that Sharon is
Speaker 4: not thinking critically or understanding the complexities of this situation
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 2: I feel like the.
Speaker 4: Australian government has proven that lockdown's work, and you only
Speaker 4: have to look at Australia's case numbers to see that
Speaker 4: our death rate and our case numbers are so low
Speaker 4: to other countries. Lockdowns have been a success in minimizing
Speaker 4: the spread and reducing the strain on hospitals.
Speaker 2: They are really important and.
Speaker 4: Yes they're very shit to be a part of. However,
Speaker 4: lockdowns are aren't effective when people like Sharon and her
Speaker 4: family refuse to abide by simple rules like wearing a
Speaker 4: mask or congregating in grease, and this is what's pissing
Speaker 4: people off. I feel like Sharon has completely also ignored
Speaker 4: the fact that the situation is currently worse in Australia
Speaker 4: because we're dealing with the delta variant. Now, something else
Speaker 4: that a lot of people are talking about from this
Speaker 4: video is that Sharon claimed more people were dying from
Speaker 4: mental health problems than from COVID.
Speaker 1: This is what she said.
Speaker 3: How about we banned together instead and speak about what
Speaker 3: the real issues are here, and that is that the
Speaker 3: way it's being handled at the moment isn't working. People's
Speaker 3: mental health is really important. We can't talk about people
Speaker 3: that are dying from a virus when they're dying in
Speaker 3: much larger numbers from mental health problems. And those that
Speaker 3: aren't dying are having mental health problems that they're going
Speaker 3: to have to struggle with for years.
Speaker 4: The thing that annoys me is this is simply not true.
Speaker 4: This is complete misinformation. Data from suicide registers in Victoria,
Speaker 4: Queensland and newsa wal will show that suicide figures have
Speaker 4: not increased since the start of the pandemic. So when
Speaker 4: you take a look at the state like Victoria that
Speaker 4: have endured over two hundred days of lockdown in the
Speaker 4: past eighteen months, the suicide rate for twenty twenty one
Speaker 4: is actually down when you compare it to the same
Speaker 4: time in twenty nineteen. Also, when you have a look
Speaker 4: at the death rate in Australia from COVID. It is
Speaker 4: nine hundred and eighty six deaths. Now, that figure is
Speaker 4: very low compared to other countries. However, worldwide there have
Speaker 4: been four point four to six million deaths from COVID.
Speaker 4: Our government has been doing a good job keeping the
Speaker 4: deaths down by the lockdowns. However, if we were to
Speaker 4: let it get out of control, like a lot of
Speaker 4: these people are suggesting, then the deaths would be a
Speaker 4: lot higher and the impact on people's mental health would
Speaker 4: be even worse.
Speaker 1: Now the spine Sharon saying that she wanted people to
Speaker 1: not be divided and stand together even if they had
Speaker 1: differing opinions. A lot of people were angered because she
Speaker 1: blocked and deleted comments that she didn't agree with. However,
Speaker 1: she did leave up a comment from Abby Chatfield which read,
Speaker 1: laughing my ass off, public health isn't a matter of opinion.
Speaker 1: She then continued and said, maybe the reason the numbers
Speaker 1: are going up is because people like you and your
Speaker 1: family members are using their platforms to encourage the breaking
Speaker 1: of lockdown laws and protests. Lockdown's work when people actually
Speaker 1: follow the rules which you are encouraging. People not to do.
Speaker 1: How ignorant can you be not to see that?
Speaker 4: I did find it interesting that Chloe and Mitch didn't
Speaker 4: share Sharon's post, despite Mitch sharing Andrew Bogot's post, which
Speaker 4: spurred on Sharon's video. Chloe did write a comment on
Speaker 4: the post, though, she wrote, amazing of you to.
Speaker 2: Speak the truth, Shaz.
Speaker 4: She also used the praising hands and the love hearts.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: It's been a very busy week on social media for
Speaker 1: the Orvils because Sharon's husband Mark, who's better known as
Speaker 1: Angry Dad, also ranted on his Instagram's story earlier this week,
Speaker 1: saying that the media should be shut down because it's
Speaker 1: not essential. He also said we wouldn't have to listen
Speaker 1: to what's right and what's wrong if the media weren't around,
Speaker 1: and he also denied being pro or anti vaccination and
Speaker 1: instead blame the media for causing division within communities by
Speaker 1: highlighting the need for vaccinations during a pandemic.
Speaker 4: It's a really disappointing response from both Sharon and Mark Orville,
Speaker 4: and quite puzzling because Angry Dad is going through cancer
Speaker 4: treatment at the moment and Sharon is autoimmune compromise, so
Speaker 4: it just seems strange that they are anti VAXX at
Speaker 4: the moment because it really could affect their lives. I
Speaker 4: suppose maybe he is being anti lockdown because he wants
Speaker 4: to go out and live his life to the full extent.
Speaker 4: But in order to do that, people are going to
Speaker 4: have to get vaccinated, and his family are really becoming
Speaker 4: a problem by pushing this anti vax anti lockdown stance.
Speaker 4: It's not going to hurry things along all. If we
Speaker 4: do what these people say and ease the restrictions and
Speaker 4: let everyone get out and about without having vaccination numbers up,
Speaker 4: then it is going to be an absolute catastrophe. We
Speaker 4: have seen what it is like in India and the
Speaker 4: UK and the US and everywhere else that has let
Speaker 4: the virus run wild.
Speaker 1: Well, what do you guys think in a year's time
Speaker 1: do you think that Chloe and Mitchell will still have
Speaker 1: the same platform that they have now or do you
Speaker 1: think they are actually going to be canceled. I think
Speaker 1: it's very dependent on what happens with the pandemic. I
Speaker 1: think that there is room for redemption, I think in
Speaker 1: some people's eyes, but for others, I think that they
Speaker 1: no longer want to support them in any area of
Speaker 1: their lives. Do you think they're being a bit pigheaded
Speaker 1: in the way that they've come out on social media
Speaker 1: and said all of these things, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, they do rely on having followers to
Speaker 1: live the lifestyle.
Speaker 2: That they leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they're forgetting a lot of their
Speaker 1: privilege at the moment, the fact that they're privileged to
Speaker 1: continue working and earning a lot of money via social media,
Speaker 1: because it's just going to take a few brands to
Speaker 1: drop off, and especially if their business starts to drop
Speaker 1: off with ZEP, they're going to be in a bit
Speaker 1: of trouble.
Speaker 4: But it's the thing that's frustrated me a lot about
Speaker 4: this whole thing is how Chloe and Mitch seem happy
Speaker 4: to promote anti lockdown protests. However, when it to other
Speaker 4: large social justice issues, we haven't heard their voices at all,
Speaker 4: and it just sort of leaves a really bad taste
Speaker 4: in your mouth because I feel like Chloe and Mitch
Speaker 4: and the Orvil family have been showed to be incredibly
Speaker 4: selfish during this pandemic. They clearly don't care about other people,
Speaker 4: because if they did, they would be getting vaccinated. And
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of tired of this privileged selfish behavior,
Speaker 4: particularly from people that have a good life. They're privileged,
Speaker 4: they're living in a mansion on the Gold Coast, their
Speaker 4: earnings haven't been affected at all.
Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's episode. If you
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