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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say exactly.

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Speaker 3: That is so fat Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, welcome back to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Now. It is a very special day today. It is

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Speaker 1: Daffodil Day, and this is a day that's very close

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Speaker 1: to our hearts because we did lose our beautiful papa

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Speaker 1: to cancer in twenty nineteen. So it's very important for

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Speaker 1: everyone to get behind the course today because there's just

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Speaker 1: so many people living with cancer in their lives.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: Daffidil Day has always been really special to us. I

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Speaker 1: always remember been primary school going and buying the Daffodil

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Speaker 1: Day bear because our year five teacher had cancer, so

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Speaker 1: it was a big day at our school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we were so honored to be asked by

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Speaker 4: the Cancer Cancel to be ambassadors for Daffidil Day this year,

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Speaker 4: so we jumped at the chance to get involved and

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Speaker 4: promote such a special day. It was quite funny. We

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Speaker 4: had to get our mum to take a photo of

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Speaker 4: us with some daffodils on the weekend and it ended

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Speaker 4: up being quite hilarious. We got tootored out by a

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Speaker 4: lot of cars and we felt like our mum was

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Speaker 4: being a bit of a stage mum Chris Jenner with

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Speaker 4: a big camera out, but it was It's all for

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Speaker 4: a good course, So thank you mum for taking that

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Speaker 1: So if you can, can you please donate to the

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Speaker 1: Daffodil Day Appeal. All donations and funds raised through the

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Speaker 1: sale of daffodils and merchandise will directly fund cancer research

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Speaker 1: projects across Australia, So anything you can, please just put

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Speaker 1: in a dollar, do what you can to help this

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Speaker 1: wonderful cause I'm going to be buying one of the bears.

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Speaker 1: They're so gorgeous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can donate at www dot Daffidil Day dot

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Speaker 4: com dot au. Will have links in our show notes

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Speaker 1: Now posted on my Instagram about vaccines and pregnancy this morning,

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Speaker 1: and a number of Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Influencers fired right back.

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Speaker 1: For God's sake, don't take your health advice from Instagram influencers.

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Speaker 1: Chloe Zepp has officially been canceled. The twenty two year

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Speaker 1: old wellness Warrior has lost twenty two thousand followers this

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Speaker 1: month after sharing alarming anti VAX's views across her social

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Speaker 1: media platforms. Just this week, her partner Mitchell Orville likened

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Speaker 1: hotel quarantine to prison and Chloe said her critics have

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Speaker 1: quickly growing momentum on TikTok, showing jen z as unfollowing

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Speaker 1: Chloe and also throwing out their ZEP activewear. Now, so

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Speaker 1: before we get into the topic, can you give us

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Speaker 1: a little overview on who Chloe Zepp is well. Chloe

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Speaker 1: Zepp is quickly becoming one of Australia's most talked about

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Speaker 1: wellness influencers. She runs a string of businesses, including fitness

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Speaker 1: label ZEP and wellness platform well Web. Now. We were

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Speaker 1: first introduced to a fifteen year old Chloe back in

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Speaker 1: Shiny Grimman's blogs, and it was her relationship with fellow

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Speaker 1: influencer Mitchell Orvil which quickly became the focus of her

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. So very soon into their relationship, she moved

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Speaker 1: a very different position. They were somewhat of a golden

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Speaker 4: Cancelation has been coming for a while now. So Chloe

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Speaker 4: Chloe has also supported lockdown protests on her Instagram story.

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Speaker 4: She's been caught out not wearing a mask in public

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Speaker 1: When it comes to cancelation, I feel like the numbers

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Speaker 1: Chloe's current follower count stands well. Chloe is rapidly losing

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Speaker 1: that's three point five percent of her following. So currently

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Speaker 1: Mitch has lost five thousand, seven hundred and sixty followers

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, they have lost two thousand subscribers in the

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Speaker 4: I do feel like while these numbers sound big, it's

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Speaker 1: It's so true, and I think that's what people are

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Speaker 4: So on Saturday, Chloe shared a video to TikTok with

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Speaker 1: I would be humiliated to walk around with any ZEP

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Speaker 4: Tarllie Smyth actually posted a photo of herself wearing a

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Chloe even considered the launch

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Speaker 4: Similar to what we've talked about with Sarah's Day, that

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Speaker 4: Oh well, bad publicity is also good publicity in a

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Speaker 5: Currently, my sister is doing a hotel prison. In fourteen days.

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Speaker 1: What I've noticed in a lot of Mitch's responses over

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I think everyone understands that it's very

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Speaker 2: To slam the whole system.

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Speaker 4: The healthcare system has been working so incredibly hard. Healthcare

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Speaker 1: I think they're spot on. I found Mitch's stance regarding

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's what everyone is so frustrated about.

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Speaker 2: By the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely living for the fact that Ozzie Influencer Opinions

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Speaker 5: It's been fine, Like honestly, I'm not even going to

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Speaker 5: So nurses, school teachers, all that stuff, all those people

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Speaker 1: I do remember watching these youtubes and really enjoying them

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they pointed out that they are

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Speaker 1: Ossie Influencer Opinion Instagram page also pointed out the complete

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy from Chloe and her sister Kate surrounding a lot

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Speaker 1: of the medical procedures they have had done so Ozsie

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Speaker 1: Influencer Opinions shared a screenshop that revealed Chloe and Kate

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Speaker 1: follow a page that sells illegal tanning injections, and the

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Speaker 1: account also shared a video from four Corners from back

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when Kate zep was interviewed about her

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Speaker 1: cosmetic injectibles and surgery. Chloe also featured in the segment

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Speaker 1: as the show took clips from a video she shared

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Speaker 1: on YouTube of hair getting botox and filler when she

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Speaker 1: was just eighteen. And it's so interesting because Chloe and Kate,

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Speaker 1: they seem happy to compromise their health to have a

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Speaker 1: tan or bigger lips, but when it comes to protecting

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Speaker 1: the public health of others, it doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 1: quite an issue. They don't care what's in the products.

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Speaker 4: I did really enjoy a meme that Mia Friedman shared.

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Speaker 4: It was a post that says that you're a fan

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Speaker 4: of injectibles but scared of vaccines, and then it says

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Speaker 4: anti wrinkle injections are derived from the world's most deadly

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Speaker 4: toxins from bacteria, and the liquid that we use to

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Speaker 4: dissolve filler is from testicles, and that's sheep balls, to

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Speaker 4: be precise.

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Speaker 2: So it's quite hilarious when you do.

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Speaker 4: See people who are anti vaxx and clearly have got

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Speaker 4: a lot of filler in their face.

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Speaker 2: Being quite hypocritical about it all.

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Speaker 1: Now seems like this is all becoming a bit of

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Speaker 1: a family affair because Mitch's mum Sharon Orville has also

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Speaker 1: weighed in on the action. On Tuesday, she shared an

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Speaker 1: eight minute video called I Stand for Australians, and Sharon

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Speaker 1: said she was inspired by former NBA player Andrew Boget's

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Speaker 1: video and had found the strength to finally speak her

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Speaker 1: truth and stand up for people who need it most.

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Speaker 1: Right now, so, Sharon said that she wanted everyone to

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Speaker 1: stop being divided and stand together, even with differing opinions,

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Speaker 1: to find a solution to the country's problems now. Controversially,

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Speaker 1: Sharon said that the current solution was worse than the

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Speaker 1: problem and that lockdowns didn't work.

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Speaker 2: This is what she said.

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Speaker 3: The way we are dealing with this situation with this

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Speaker 3: virus isn't working. It's proving not to work because our

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Speaker 3: numbers are going up. We're getting shut down for longer

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Speaker 3: and longer periods. We're getting worse things happened to us

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Speaker 3: where it's not getting better, it's getting worse. Okay. I

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Speaker 3: want to do is say to you all, how about

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Speaker 3: instead of attacking each other or forcing opinions on each other,

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Speaker 3: we allow each other to have our opinion, to choose

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Speaker 3: to get vaccinated or choose not to get vaccinated. Everyone's

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Speaker 3: in a different place. I have an autoimmune disease, so

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Speaker 3: my choice on getting vaccinated or not vaccinated is different

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Speaker 3: to somebody else's choice. But we do have a choice.

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Speaker 3: We should have a choice, and I think that we

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Speaker 3: should all support each other.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of this video?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, I think it's quite clear that Sharon is

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Speaker 4: not thinking critically or understanding the complexities of this situation

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the.

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Speaker 4: Australian government has proven that lockdown's work, and you only

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Speaker 4: have to look at Australia's case numbers to see that

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Speaker 4: our death rate and our case numbers are so low

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Speaker 4: to other countries. Lockdowns have been a success in minimizing

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Speaker 4: the spread and reducing the strain on hospitals.

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Speaker 2: They are really important and.

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Speaker 4: Yes they're very shit to be a part of. However,

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Speaker 4: lockdowns are aren't effective when people like Sharon and her

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Speaker 4: family refuse to abide by simple rules like wearing a

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Speaker 4: mask or congregating in grease, and this is what's pissing

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Speaker 4: people off. I feel like Sharon has completely also ignored

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Speaker 4: the fact that the situation is currently worse in Australia

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Speaker 4: because we're dealing with the delta variant. Now, something else

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Speaker 4: that a lot of people are talking about from this

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Speaker 4: video is that Sharon claimed more people were dying from

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Speaker 4: mental health problems than from COVID.

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Speaker 1: This is what she said.

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Speaker 3: How about we banned together instead and speak about what

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Speaker 3: the real issues are here, and that is that the

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Speaker 3: way it's being handled at the moment isn't working. People's

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Speaker 3: mental health is really important. We can't talk about people

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Speaker 3: that are dying from a virus when they're dying in

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Speaker 3: much larger numbers from mental health problems. And those that

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Speaker 3: aren't dying are having mental health problems that they're going

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Speaker 3: to have to struggle with for years.

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Speaker 4: The thing that annoys me is this is simply not true.

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Speaker 4: This is complete misinformation. Data from suicide registers in Victoria,

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Speaker 4: Queensland and newsa wal will show that suicide figures have

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Speaker 4: not increased since the start of the pandemic. So when

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Speaker 4: you take a look at the state like Victoria that

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Speaker 4: have endured over two hundred days of lockdown in the

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Speaker 4: past eighteen months, the suicide rate for twenty twenty one

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Speaker 4: is actually down when you compare it to the same

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Speaker 4: time in twenty nineteen. Also, when you have a look

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Speaker 4: at the death rate in Australia from COVID. It is

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Speaker 4: nine hundred and eighty six deaths. Now, that figure is

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Speaker 4: very low compared to other countries. However, worldwide there have

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Speaker 4: been four point four to six million deaths from COVID.

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Speaker 4: Our government has been doing a good job keeping the

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Speaker 4: deaths down by the lockdowns. However, if we were to

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Speaker 4: let it get out of control, like a lot of

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Speaker 4: these people are suggesting, then the deaths would be a

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Speaker 4: lot higher and the impact on people's mental health would

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Speaker 4: be even worse.

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Speaker 1: Now the spine Sharon saying that she wanted people to

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Speaker 1: not be divided and stand together even if they had

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Speaker 1: differing opinions. A lot of people were angered because she

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Speaker 1: blocked and deleted comments that she didn't agree with. However,

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Speaker 1: she did leave up a comment from Abby Chatfield which read,

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Speaker 1: laughing my ass off, public health isn't a matter of opinion.

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Speaker 1: She then continued and said, maybe the reason the numbers

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Speaker 1: are going up is because people like you and your

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Speaker 1: family members are using their platforms to encourage the breaking

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Speaker 1: of lockdown laws and protests. Lockdown's work when people actually

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Speaker 1: follow the rules which you are encouraging. People not to do.

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Speaker 1: How ignorant can you be not to see that?

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Speaker 4: I did find it interesting that Chloe and Mitch didn't

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Speaker 4: share Sharon's post, despite Mitch sharing Andrew Bogot's post, which

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Speaker 4: spurred on Sharon's video. Chloe did write a comment on

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Speaker 4: the post, though, she wrote, amazing of you to.

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Speaker 2: Speak the truth, Shaz.

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Speaker 4: She also used the praising hands and the love hearts.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: It's been a very busy week on social media for

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Speaker 1: the Orvils because Sharon's husband Mark, who's better known as

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Speaker 1: Angry Dad, also ranted on his Instagram's story earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: saying that the media should be shut down because it's

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Speaker 1: not essential. He also said we wouldn't have to listen

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Speaker 1: to what's right and what's wrong if the media weren't around,

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Speaker 1: and he also denied being pro or anti vaccination and

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Speaker 1: instead blame the media for causing division within communities by

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Speaker 1: highlighting the need for vaccinations during a pandemic.

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Speaker 4: It's a really disappointing response from both Sharon and Mark Orville,

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Speaker 4: and quite puzzling because Angry Dad is going through cancer

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Speaker 4: treatment at the moment and Sharon is autoimmune compromise, so

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Speaker 4: it just seems strange that they are anti VAXX at

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Speaker 4: the moment because it really could affect their lives. I

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Speaker 4: suppose maybe he is being anti lockdown because he wants

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Speaker 4: to go out and live his life to the full extent.

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Speaker 4: But in order to do that, people are going to

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Speaker 4: have to get vaccinated, and his family are really becoming

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Speaker 4: a problem by pushing this anti vax anti lockdown stance.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to hurry things along all. If we

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Speaker 4: do what these people say and ease the restrictions and

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Speaker 4: let everyone get out and about without having vaccination numbers up,

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Speaker 4: then it is going to be an absolute catastrophe. We

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Speaker 4: have seen what it is like in India and the

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Speaker 4: UK and the US and everywhere else that has let

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Speaker 4: the virus run wild.

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Speaker 1: Well, what do you guys think in a year's time

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Speaker 1: do you think that Chloe and Mitchell will still have

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Speaker 1: the same platform that they have now or do you

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Speaker 1: think they are actually going to be canceled. I think

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Speaker 1: it's very dependent on what happens with the pandemic. I

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Speaker 1: think that there is room for redemption, I think in

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Speaker 1: some people's eyes, but for others, I think that they

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Speaker 1: no longer want to support them in any area of

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Speaker 1: their lives. Do you think they're being a bit pigheaded

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Speaker 1: in the way that they've come out on social media

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Speaker 1: and said all of these things, because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, they do rely on having followers to

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Speaker 1: live the lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: That they leave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that they're forgetting a lot of their

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Speaker 1: privilege at the moment, the fact that they're privileged to

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Speaker 1: continue working and earning a lot of money via social media,

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Speaker 1: because it's just going to take a few brands to

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Speaker 1: drop off, and especially if their business starts to drop

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Speaker 1: off with ZEP, they're going to be in a bit

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Speaker 1: of trouble.

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Speaker 4: But it's the thing that's frustrated me a lot about

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Speaker 4: this whole thing is how Chloe and Mitch seem happy

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Speaker 4: to promote anti lockdown protests. However, when it to other

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Speaker 4: large social justice issues, we haven't heard their voices at all,

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Speaker 4: and it just sort of leaves a really bad taste

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Speaker 4: in your mouth because I feel like Chloe and Mitch

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Speaker 4: and the Orvil family have been showed to be incredibly

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Speaker 4: selfish during this pandemic. They clearly don't care about other people,

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Speaker 4: because if they did, they would be getting vaccinated. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of tired of this privileged selfish behavior,

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Speaker 4: particularly from people that have a good life. They're privileged,

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Speaker 4: they're living in a mansion on the Gold Coast, their

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Speaker 4: earnings haven't been affected at all.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for today's episode. If you

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Speaker 1: did enjoy the show, we'd love if you could go

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Speaker 1: does help out the podcast. No Anti Vaxx is welcome.

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Speaker 1: In the comment section of the review, Please.

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Speaker 4: Share where you're listening to the podcast. We always love

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Speaker 4: not agree with Mitch and Chloe and the orvils who

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