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Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this

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Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.

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Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects to our elders

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Speaker 1: past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: land and always will be Aboriginal land.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Bales.

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Speaker 1: Hey you, mob, thank you for joining me for another

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Speaker 1: amazing episode of Black Magic On podcast. I am really

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Speaker 1: looking forward.

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Speaker 3: To this yarn. It's been.

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Speaker 1: A topic of conversation in terms of meeting people from

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Speaker 1: different cultures and backgrounds, also experiencing racism and discrimination as

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Speaker 1: a resident ratepayer on the beautiful Sunny Coast on Cobbycoby Country.

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Speaker 1: So I've joined forces with a few different people on

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Speaker 1: the Sunny Coast for an amazing initiative which is actually

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Speaker 1: supported by the Sunshine Coast Council, called Shine a Light

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Speaker 1: on Racism. I really want people to have a look

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Speaker 1: at the resources and the show notes, especially after this episode,

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Speaker 1: and see how you can take action and educate yourself

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Speaker 1: or even educate your family and friends or even colleagues

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Speaker 1: in the workplace. You don't have to live on the

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Speaker 1: Sunnay Coast to see the value in these resources. But

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Speaker 1: it's just one really important initiative that I guess I've

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Speaker 1: committed to as an ambassador along with my brother here

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Speaker 3: So I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: To hear all of the other things that you've been doing.

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Speaker 1: But also it'd be good for my listeners and also

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Speaker 1: have viewers on YouTube to hear a little bit about

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Speaker 1: your story and how did you even come to the

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Speaker 1: Sunny Coast. But right now we're on the beautiful lands

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Speaker 1: of the Yagur of people's here in Mungang, and so

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Speaker 1: I just want to acknowledge where I am right now,

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Speaker 1: usually on kaby Kobe country, but not today. We have

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Speaker 1: bumped into each other at the human rights summit here

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Speaker 3: So just who would have.

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Speaker 1: Thought you and I'd be sitting here now doing this podcast.

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely meant to be, as I believe, you know,

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Speaker 1: meant to meet this person. So yeah, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to hear your story. I don't know your full story

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Speaker 1: from the few interactions and the few meetings and a

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Speaker 1: few events that we've been to. So my brother tell

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much. I think this is long

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Speaker 2: over due discussion.

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Speaker 2: I want to know the Yagara people and terrible peoples

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Speaker 2: it's been longer a you. Like I said, my names

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Speaker 2: are Walters caem Fac. I hail from the British Southern Cameroons.

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Speaker 2: He was, like, so I sent him to school like

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Speaker 2: And so that experience created not only with the kids,

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Speaker 2: Or long time like long time relationships that I've got

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Speaker 3: But most people don't know what to do when it.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I think, you know, let's go in.

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Speaker 3: But we're not, you know, too different to you. So

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Speaker 2: It's twelve and nine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and how are they finding school now? They're

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Speaker 2: They're just living with transitioned into the you know, my

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Speaker 2: I had to make that experience better for him. And

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Speaker 2: I think like when I thought about a community that

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Speaker 2: And I think all those things happened in a blessing,

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Speaker 3: So I wonder why.

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Speaker 2: So I think there was like that me coming in

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Speaker 1: Amazing and there are so many ambassadors. I'll make sure

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Speaker 1: just how are you committed to really making people feel

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Speaker 1: that they belong in a diversity and inclusion. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've got the diversity there, but I don't think we've

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Speaker 1: done inclusion well yes, but also the sense of belonging everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's like our.

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Speaker 1: Birthright, you know, to feel that we belong especially within

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Speaker 1: the country that we live in. That we feel a

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Speaker 1: sense of belonging within our community and safety, but a

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Speaker 1: sense of belonging in the workplace where we spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time. So I know, I've got to wrap

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Speaker 1: up this yarn because we have gone a little bit

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Speaker 1: over time. But what is can I just quickly ask

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Speaker 1: you to share with people that are listening if they

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Speaker 1: want to kind of, you know, get involved more with

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Speaker 1: community with different programs, like can you recommend it for

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Speaker 1: people to you know that want to do something like

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Speaker 1: they might be a migrant living on the Sunshine Coast

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Speaker 1: or they not, just might be an Australian that is

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Speaker 1: listening to this conversation, could be anyone. What can they

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Speaker 1: do to get involved? What's some of the things that

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Speaker 1: you could recommend? Books, I think, documentaries. Is there anything

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Speaker 1: in particular that you think this will really help you.

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Speaker 2: I think first to those that are out there that

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Speaker 2: are suffering, you know, racism or any form of discriminatory

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Speaker 2: it's never okay not to speak up. It's always good

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Speaker 2: to speak up and do something, because you would never

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Speaker 2: know where if you if you think if you're comfortable

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Speaker 2: in that abuse, you probably never know what's calling you next,

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Speaker 2: or if you're in the job that you feel like

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Speaker 2: you've got to be able to speak and make it straight.

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Speaker 4: Because the way we the way we.

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Speaker 5: Set up a place and and.

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Speaker 2: Make you could you could be able to be resilient

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Speaker 2: and go through that, but the next person that's going

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Speaker 2: to come in would probably not have that resilience. So

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Speaker 2: it's always good to speak up and go through. Of course,

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Speaker 2: the Sunshine, the Sunshine cost Shine, the Light on Risdom

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Speaker 2: campaign have got some resources that people can go out

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Speaker 2: there and check it out. And I would say that

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, we do organize like football events because

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Speaker 2: we think that those are the sort of things that

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Speaker 2: breaks barrier because it's have just one language and one people.

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Speaker 2: I call it multicultural football or multicultural multi cote cops

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Speaker 2: on the Sunshine cause there's a fair few of them

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Speaker 2: that people can you know, come along and it's just

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Speaker 2: a space where it's a safe space you can just

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Speaker 2: kickboard and interact and break those initial barriers that actually

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Speaker 2: get people out and start being discriminatory.

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Speaker 4: Towards one another.

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Speaker 1: I love the multiculture foot My kids are football soccer,

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to bring them along to the next event.

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Speaker 1: So make sure you ring me and let me know

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Speaker 1: so we can get our kids to get to know

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Speaker 1: each other as well. It's good to see other black

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Speaker 1: faces in the community. I just want to say, it

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Speaker 1: takes a lot for people to call racism out. There

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Speaker 1: is another campaign called racism It stops with Me. There

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Speaker 1: is a National Racism Register now for people to actually

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Speaker 1: go and put the lodge the complain in the national register.

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Speaker 1: We'll have these links in our show notes. But if

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Speaker 1: this yarn has even caused a little bit of like trauma,

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Speaker 1: if people feel triggered by this conversation. For First Nations peoples,

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Speaker 1: one three Yarn is a national hotline dedicated to First

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Speaker 1: Nations people. There's also Lifeline and there are other many

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Speaker 1: support services. Even in your organizations, there should be an

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Speaker 1: internal EAP that you can ring and talk to someone

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Speaker 1: who's qualified but.

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Speaker 3: It's not me.

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Speaker 5: And also your GP.

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Speaker 2: If you're not trustworthy about your organization, thinking that there's

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Speaker 2: going to be any sort of things I can backlash,

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Speaker 2: you can go to your GP. There's like a five

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Speaker 2: free session that you could see someone for any support

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Speaker 2: that you need.

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Speaker 3: I just learned something new.

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Speaker 1: There's five free sessions at your GP if you need

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Speaker 1: to talk about anything that might be worrying you or

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Speaker 1: causing any distress. But well, look, it's been amazing just

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Speaker 1: to have half an hour behind the microphone to get

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Speaker 1: a bit more of an insight into not just the

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Speaker 1: work that you do, but what drives you to continue

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Speaker 1: to live your life on the Sunny coast and do

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Speaker 1: all the amazing things that you do in the community.

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Speaker 1: So please, you know, like I said, stay in touch

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Speaker 1: and next time we'll catch up while we're kicking a

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Speaker 1: soccer bore football fall.

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Speaker 3: Look, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that more people that are listening to

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Speaker 1: this that haven't experienced racism before just thinks about things differently,

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Speaker 1: just to see what it does for people, how it

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Speaker 1: affects people. But also when you do stand up and

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Speaker 1: call racism amount, how it can help us, you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of shifting, getting to that next level, achieving greatness,

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Speaker 1: reaching our full potential.

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Speaker 3: That's what I want.

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Speaker 1: For my children is to reach their full potential. So

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Speaker 1: on that note, wel so thank you for jumping on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I hope all you Mob enjoyed this Deadly

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Speaker 1: outa until next time.

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Speaker 3: By for now.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit

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Speaker 1: our show notes in the episode description. A big shout

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Speaker 1: out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue

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