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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm really pumped for today's guest. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you. I was pretty nervous to interview

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Speaker 2: this powerhouse today. Samantha Wiels is on the podcast. She

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Speaker 2: has just bought out a brand spanky new book of

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Speaker 2: Golden Dust, which I literally, I want to say, I

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Speaker 2: gorged like, I consumed it very very quickly. Will cover

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Speaker 2: this book in book Club on Friday episode as well,

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Speaker 2: and in this chat it is, I want to say, like,

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Speaker 2: it's a celebration of Samantha's journey and she's all about

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Speaker 2: telling your own story.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get loads from this.

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Speaker 2: I found it really inspirational, and I hope you do too.

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Speaker 2: Samantha Whiels, it is such an honor have you here today.

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Speaker 2: I have been not just consuming and binge reading your book.

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Speaker 1: Your book.

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Speaker 2: Can we just start with of Golden Dust? First of all,

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Speaker 2: you look freaking phenomenal on the front cover.

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Speaker 1: Look at my I've got.

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Speaker 2: Like highlighted a highlighted hoes, I've got my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Pages mark or thank you.

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Speaker 2: I had to be honest, like with this book, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what to expect. I was like, Oh, is

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Speaker 2: it going to be like an entrepreneur story or because

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Speaker 2: as you were saying in the lift we met, probably

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Speaker 2: do you want.

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Speaker 3: To be like eight years I'm going to say eight Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it feels like a long time ago in another life.

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Speaker 2: Which, to be completely honest with you, I'd forgotten about.

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Speaker 2: But the moment you mentioned it, I was like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I remember being back.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing.

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Speaker 2: You on stage there, and I remember being really intimidated

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Speaker 2: by you because I was like, she's got it all together.

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Speaker 2: You've got and that's what I have absolutely loved about

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Speaker 1: You are so vulnerable.

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, I've got a just deep

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Speaker 2: dive and stalk insta and I'm like, oh, no, you

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Speaker 2: are vulnerable. That is just part of your whole thing.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I've got to ask you about the

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Speaker 2: book before I get into this interview. You recently posted

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Speaker 2: a photo of your dad reading this book. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: a ninety six year old Grandma, I like teaed up

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Speaker 3: No, it's very swim. So my dad read it himself

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Speaker 3: and then, you know, got all emotional about it. Then

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Speaker 3: obviously my name she's quite old, so she can't see

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Speaker 3: that great, so he went over and read it to

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Speaker 3: her and then cried all over again. It was just lovely.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was very special. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Your caption, your apparently.

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Speaker 2: Like your dad's like, you need to be patient and

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Speaker 2: wait that bit's going to come, and it's like, when

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Speaker 3: He's like, well, let's just be patient.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what got me really excited about this book.

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Speaker 2: I was watching your Instant Stories and someone was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I've just been read this to like

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Speaker 2: one am, and I was like, oh, this is my

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Speaker 2: kind of book. I love a book that I cannot

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Speaker 2: put down.

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Speaker 3: Well never I haven't heard the term binge reading about this.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you. I think as an author,

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Speaker 3: as you know, you know, it's the biggest compliment when

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Speaker 3: someone can't put it down. And I'm a fussy reader.

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Speaker 3: So if I'm not into a book, you know, three

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Speaker 3: it to be read table and never really get back

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Speaker 3: to it. So I really wanted to write a book

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Speaker 2: I feel yeah, And it feels like I went from

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Speaker 2: doing that speaking with you, feeling intimidated by you know,

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Speaker 1: Like, ah, like me.

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Speaker 2: So that one of my favorite early parts of the book.

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Speaker 2: We're going to end up talking about the book because

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Speaker 2: you share so much of your life and your journey

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Speaker 2: is your first love and first heartbreak, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, I think you were twenty three, that real and

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Speaker 3: Like, I know that fit. That is awful.

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Speaker 2: It's awful and as you shared it, and if you

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Speaker 2: don't mind, I'd love to hear your show a little

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Speaker 1: You had such a beautiful bestie, Malany.

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Speaker 2: He was just putting yeah, tea and toast at your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, you know, in that first heartbreak,

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Speaker 3: we're just not equipped to deal with it, right. You

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Speaker 3: And at this point I just moved into an office,

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Speaker 3: but also that was probably you know, a year and

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Speaker 3: it all kind of compounds in, you know, at the

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Speaker 3: the body just it just goes into like you said,

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Speaker 3: My hair was falling out in patches. The stress of

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Speaker 3: it all. It was just it was a it was

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Speaker 3: a rough patch, you say.

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Speaker 2: The least as you were saying that, and you're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I haven't even mentioned your freaking incredible career.

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Speaker 2: You're My actual first memory of you is purchasing your

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Speaker 2: incredible jewelry.

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Speaker 1: But the box, it.

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Speaker 2: and you wrote the actually in your book, a Jamuni

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Speaker 3: That's a really good way to describe it. And I

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Speaker 3: when someone's like, oh you get this box with it,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, they're a signature.

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Speaker 2: packs or your candles like it's it's very much surprising

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Speaker 3: Go back and jump around.

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Speaker 1: But you'd given it to a mate.

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Speaker 2: You were mate, I'm presuming your still up at Fuzzy

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Speaker 3: I curried it over, and anyone knows when you're coourying

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Speaker 3: stuff around. Seeing it's in like a dirty paper bag,

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Speaker 3: Picks the bag up off the ground with the courier

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Speaker 1: I haven't never thought of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we and then Pink, you know, as

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Speaker 3: Pink loves you know, she wants to buy the whole collection.

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Speaker 2: And even if you think about Pink with Bushfires, I'm

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Speaker 2: I've listened to a few pods with you and being

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Speaker 2: I'm a bit of a nineties child with similar age,

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Speaker 2: And I was like, when you said at school, I

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Speaker 2: think grade five Chicago bulls were massive, and you're doing

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Speaker 2: What I want to explore is like early on you

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Speaker 3: I don't ever remember like being like I think I'm

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Speaker 1: Can you share this story?

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Speaker 2: And your dad sounds like a real hoot as well,

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Speaker 2: and he's nickname for you is poss.

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Speaker 3: So my parents had a clothing store, and you know,

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Speaker 3: Try it, like try this one, try this one, like

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Speaker 2: I have to talk to you about Jeff. Right, So

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Speaker 3: And his chokes on his chicken sandwich. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like the whole way through, I'm like, oh my god, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: And did he truly reject you fourteen times like a

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Speaker 3: Even when he said I'll think about it, that's still

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Speaker 3: And he was like absolutely not, like your business looks

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Speaker 2: Sound of Like I was like, imagine someone coming into

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Speaker 2: the one that blew me away.

436
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Speaker 1: You're dressing so many.

437
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Speaker 2: Incredible We're talking a list celebrities here with your incredible creations,

438
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Speaker 2: your jewels, T Swift, I loved I know how much

439
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 2: you loved Taylor.

440
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 3: I am such a Taylor Swift fan and I was

441
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 3: back then, but like like now, I'm like.

442
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Speaker 1: Have you watched a doctor or you've obviously yes, like fifteen.

443
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,399
Speaker 3: Times it comes out. I just think she's I mean

444
00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,880
Speaker 3: her music aside, I think obviously I love her music,

445
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 3: but I think just her integrity, the creative way. This

446
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 3: could go on a hold t Swift tenth but yeah,

447
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 3: so you know when women like her, Beyonce us like

448
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,400
Speaker 3: just the incredible women we were able to dress still

449
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,359
Speaker 3: today is very surreal.

450
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Speaker 1: Yes, did you? And I have to ask this because

451
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Speaker 1: I have I love New York City and Los Angeles.

452
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 1: I just I love America. So like reading your frou,

453
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Speaker 1: I'm like, god, it's possible.

454
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Speaker 3: You know.

455
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,920
Speaker 2: But when you heard about Patricia Fields, well you just

456
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 2: can you take me through like getting that email?

457
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 1: And so for people that don't know who Patricia Fields is,

458
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 1: all right, So.

459
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Speaker 3: It's around two thousand and nine, I think it was.

460
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,960
Speaker 3: We were in La doing us style sweet. So you

461
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 3: go into like a hotel and for example, set up

462
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 3: for the day and have all styless comes through. You

463
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 3: might see like forty or fifty stylus a day and

464
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 3: just present the collection. And this gentleman came through and

465
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, you know, my boss can't be here.

466
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm styling assistant, which is very common. We're shooting something,

467
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Speaker 3: Can I just pull a few pieces? And when you're

468
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 3: loaning to whether it be a magazine or a TV

469
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: show or whatever, you just don't expect the pieces to

470
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 3: come back because you know they have so many call Insah,

471
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 3: so you're actually budgeting in PR samples at that point,

472
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, sure take it. Then a year passes

473
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 3: and we actually get a card in the post, like

474
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Speaker 3: a greeting card that had an illustration of the four

475
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Speaker 3: Sex in the City characters on it and it said

476
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Speaker 3: inside it said one hand in the air for the

477
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Speaker 3: Big City. Thanks for making us look so pretty and

478
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: you know, becastarta to put all the pieces together. And

479
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 3: it was actually Patricia Field, who is the stylist on

480
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 3: Sex and the City. It was her assistant that had

481
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: called in these pieces. And so we get this card

482
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait, does this mean, like we're in

483
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 3: the film, Like what you know, what does it mean?

484
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 3: And literally we didn't know until you know, I sat

485
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Speaker 3: in the cinema on the opening night of Now It's

486
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: Sex and City to the film. If anyone who's seen

487
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 3: the film, it's shit. It's an absolutely terrible, awfully, horrible,

488
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 3: horrible film. But for a brand and for us to

489
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: have it in there, it was just such a you know,

490
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 3: put us on the international stage. It put us alongside

491
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: brands like Chanelle. We're in the coffee table book for

492
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: every out like. It was just such an incredible business moved,

493
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 3: celebrity side business move for us, that was we just

494
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 3: couldn't have bought that opportunity.

495
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Speaker 2: I love how you're like, the second ones isn't as

496
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Speaker 2: good as the first one, terrible, and.

497
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Speaker 3: Now they're like bringing back this.

498
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Speaker 1: I'm like, just let it be just your favorite Sex

499
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: and City character.

500
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Speaker 3: I mean I always it was carry I think, but

501
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: now so now I'm like, Miranda, Miranda knows what's up.

502
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: That's the one we should have been listening to. Yeah, Miranda,

503
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: And that's who we were able to dress I know hearings. Yeah.

504
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 3: And it was It was great because it was the

505
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 3: scene where the costumes were the longest on on screen,

506
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: and then it was the still that they used for

507
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Speaker 3: of the four of them with woh yeah and anyone.

508
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Speaker 1: If you get the book, you'll get to see that.

509
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: You get to see each of it, and the and

510
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Speaker 1: the card you got sent as well. Yes, so it's

511
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Speaker 1: still I have to ask because I.

512
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Speaker 2: Used to binge watch this show and I think you

513
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: were from reading a book. I think you're a fan

514
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: of as well, Rachel Zoe.

515
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yes. I just sit there and watch

516
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 3: it on my I pod, which is like the size

517
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: of a postage stamp, trying to watch it, and I

518
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: would take notes. I was like, well, who's she meeting with?

519
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: What she doing? How did she build this part of

520
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 3: her business? I was obsessed.

521
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so how did it get to Rachel's Because

522
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: it went through you meant an amazing. So in America

523
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: it's a little bit different towards Australia, isn't it.

524
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: You kind of go through an agency to get yeah, which.

525
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: Would be kind of the same here, but as a

526
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 3: celebrity services obviously, you know, especially in LA there's a

527
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: you know, that's the entertainment industry. So you employ a

528
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: celebrity services agency who then works with stuff less would

529
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: then place it on their clients. And so I had

530
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: met my now dear friend Annalise Peterson, who I met

531
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: in LA and she was very, very connected, and you know,

532
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: I hadn't told her that I was a big fan

533
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 3: of Rachel Zoe, but you know, she sends me this

534
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 3: Emma and daw She's like, oh, hey, the like if

535
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: you heard of Rachel Zoe. She's you know, she's placed

536
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 3: a ring on even Mendes. Like, I was like, wait, what,

537
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: like when the image you know, it was two thousand

538
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: and eight at that time, so I'm like, the image

539
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 3: took seven years to download. But I'm like, oh my gosh,

540
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: and there's even Mendez wearing our Bohemian butter ring, which

541
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 3: is a big tear drop shape ring, and that placement

542
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: since she wore that ring from the day it was published,

543
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Okay Magazine, I think we had

544
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: it in over here. It was at the top of

545
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: our best sellers list for the following ten years of

546
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: the business. We did in over three hundred and sixty

547
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 3: color ways. We moved nearly one million off the sure

548
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: the business it was, it just changed not only the

549
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 3: trajectory of the company but of my life. And then

550
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: to have Rachel Zoe do that placement was just the best.

551
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Speaker 1: Ah, You're make me want of binge watch that show

552
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: all over again.

553
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: So good. Okay, So I want to talk a little

554
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: bit about and you're so phenomenal in the book, about

555
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: just being you kind of rip down the facade of

556
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: the Instagram filter basically of like life is perfect and

557
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: you're the same on podcasts, You're like I was in

558
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: too Loom with my friends posting all these like gorgeous photos,

559
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: but I was riddled with anxiety.

560
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Speaker 3: I was on xanax, yeah, which doesn't go well with

561
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: tequila either, by the way, right, Yes, that's.

562
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Speaker 2: A good met Yeah, because I've been to Tuloom and

563
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Speaker 2: it feels like quite a wellness kind of like you know,

564
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Speaker 2: like it's very healing and like you can have the

565
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: opposite to you would think Tilm would be the opposite

566
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Speaker 2: to your experience where you were in your life.

567
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's wherever you go there you are right,

568
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Like if you're broken on the inside, you can go

569
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: to any wellness retreat and still be really broken. Yeah.

570
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I think you know that that specific trip,

571
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: the sobering thing for me was when I got to

572
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: the airport into limb to fly back to New York.

573
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: My agent message is like, you've been nominated for Inspiring

574
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, social Media award, and I was just like, fuck,

575
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: like the last few weeks, the last five days, sorry,

576
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: and you know I've been posting. I'm like, that's not

577
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: that's not my truth. And if anyone is broken and

578
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: looking at those photos and it isolates them, then you

579
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: know I need to wrong that right, that wrong? And yeah,

580
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: it's very very sobering moment of how we have to

581
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: show up.

582
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: And you literally posted the nomination and were like you

583
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 2: almost called yourself out right.

584
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: Well no, I did. I you know, I put all

585
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: the photos that I had posted and kind of drew

586
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: over them with a black sharpie and was like, if

587
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: I could you know, draw what I was feeling it

588
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 3: was it was this, yeah, and then yeah.

589
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Speaker 1: That takes bravery. That takes a bit of courage because

590
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: you're putting and this is the other thing.

591
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Speaker 2: I was like, no, like the body shaming that you

592
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: like it And you have put captions in the book

593
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: of like people being like literally like you look so

594
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: much better, You've lost the chubbiness. And then someone else's

595
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: writing you look anorexic, You've f and bitch, you're fucking

596
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: bitch someone else, like you think you're a celebrity, but

597
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: you look really stuck up. But I'd still have sex

598
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: with you and you'd love it.

599
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: Like how on earth do you go with?

600
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's a true problem question one trolls,

601
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: but two like what are you shaming for a woman?

602
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, i'be mommyd thirties, I'm still figuring it

603
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: frigging out, Like it's so hard because you're always going

604
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: to be I always say to people, you're always going

605
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: to be too skinny for someone and too fat for

606
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: someone else, So I might as well make myself feel good,

607
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: you know.

608
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: But I think, well, I don't know to answer your question.

609
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: The trolls in that instance and the scene that I

610
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: write about that in, and it's just the diversity right

611
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: of you know, someone being like you've got blood on

612
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: your hands because you should be empowering women, but you're

613
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: so an REXI separate to that, I was going through

614
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: such a bad time in my life. I physically couldn't

615
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: couldn't eat. I'd lost so much weight. I was barely

616
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: holding it together. You know. Then you get a message

617
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: being like your body goals, you look amazing, and then

618
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: you're like, fuck you you think of this, you think

619
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: like it's just like this roll oko. You're like, okay,

620
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure you know which which one is

621
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: truth at that point. And I think at that time

622
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 3: in my life, I was so broken and so numb.

623
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: I honestly didn't even absorb them. They were just like

624
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 3: things that would pop up on my phone and I

625
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: just had no capacity probably for the best at that time,

626
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: to not absorb them as it relates to body shaming

627
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: in any capacity. I think as a society, you know,

628
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: when we see the Instagram, when we see these overfiltered

629
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: and photoshopped, and I think the difference back you know,

630
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: we've always seen photoshop, right like, but I think the

631
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: difference back in when I say, the day before pre

632
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: you know, social media, we would see a Vogue magazine

633
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: and there's something in us that was like, okay, I

634
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: know there's been a production of people working on this image,

635
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: that it's been reached out like that isn't kind of

636
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: uncommon to us. But now you pick up Instagram you're like, oh,

637
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: there's my auntie with her dog, and there's my mum

638
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: in her rose garden. Oh and there's a bikini folk.

639
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: Like the differentiation between what is produced art or you know,

640
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: in whatever form versus this Instagram feed, Like what's where

641
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 3: Where in our mind does it be like, Okay, well

642
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: that's art and that's real. And then how do you

643
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: separate what's filtered what's not?

644
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and like you said, like even this beautiful

645
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: book cover, but like I shot my book cover a

646
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, it's all hands on.

647
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: Deck, Like it's like it's a production.

648
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: You don't wake up, Like I don't.

649
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure as hell don't wake up. And I think

650
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: it's so good that you call that out as well.

651
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: But it is hard when people have got apps on

652
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: their phone they can make their photos look a certain way,

653
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: and it's just yeah, it's it's it's a beast, but

654
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: it's a beast.

655
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: But it's also we normalize it. And I think, you know,

656
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: it takes not very long to normalize something. And when

657
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: we normalize it becomes our truth, not the truth, but

658
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: like our truth, and then what our truth is quickly

659
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 3: becomes our reality. So if you're scrolling on Instagram and

660
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: something doesn't have a filter, you're almost like, oh, that's

661
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: you around here, like that's you know, that interrupts that,

662
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: which is really fucking bad, Like, yeah, that's a bad

663
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: existence to normalize.

664
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Big time.

665
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: And I think you're so freaking good at calling it out,

666
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: Like I not just in the book, but also on

667
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: Instagram and I wanted you.

668
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Recently Ish posted about.

669
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Your body and how it would has fluctuated from a

670
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: size eight to a size fourteen. You open up about endometriosis,

671
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: about freezing eggs, and you know, like for anyone listening

672
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: that freezing eggs, you're injecting yourself with hormones daily, right, Yeah.

673
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: Actually the week I was doing those hormones, I also

674
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: did the audio read for my book, so I'm like,

675
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, doing these hormone injections, which kind of you know,

676
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: throw you a bit. And then I'm in the studio

677
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: like reading the Darkest Times in my Life. I was like, well,

678
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: this is an emotional read, isn't it, So you will

679
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: hear it differently on the audiobook, But yeah, it's you know,

680
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: the female body I'm going to say is just incredible,

681
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: Like what she does for us, how she continues to

682
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: show up for us when we treat her with such

683
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: bullshit behavior. Sometimes it's remarkable. I also saw an.

684
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: An article and I really resonated with me personally, and

685
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know yet if I want to

686
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: have kids. And I'm thirty five and people write to

687
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: me on Instagram like why haven't you frozen your egs yet?

688
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: Why aren't you engaged yet? Why aren't you this now?

689
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: And I had to call it out one day I

690
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: did Alive and I was like, can you stop following me?

691
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: Asaid anyone that's going to write to me about why

692
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: haven't frozen my egg yet? Why my boyfriend hasn't proposed yet?

693
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm actually I'd rather you don't follow me because

694
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: good for you. But what like what would because it

695
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: is so fuller on what you went through to freezeeras?

696
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: But like when what made you kind of come to

697
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: that moment where you're like, you know what, I want

698
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: to do this for me? But what I loved about

699
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: the interview You're like, it's also okay.

700
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Not to know if you want to be a mom? Yeah,

701
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: like you that brought me so much soulless.

702
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: I'm glad because I think you know. And when you

703
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: talk about people texting you and asking all these things,

704
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: they're asking you that off a framework that either works

705
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: for them, might not even work for them. But it's

706
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: this traditional framework of like, well, you meant to meet

707
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 3: someone this time, you know, have kids get married by

708
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: this time, have kids, do this with your career TICKETO,

709
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: Like this is like archaic traditional framework totally. And so

710
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 3: when and you know, when it does something doesn't sit

711
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: right with you, You're just going to live your whole

712
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: life just not feeling in alignment with yourself or with

713
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: you know, what you're meant to be here doing because

714
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: we so often and I truly don't think in our

715
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: lifetime we will see it, you know, to be able

716
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: to live without some haunting of that traditional framework and

717
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: whether that's you know, and even those people messaging you

718
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: probably are struggling with it themselves, someone else's framework. But

719
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: that's that was been I've done a lot of talks

720
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: around International Women's History Month this month, and I'm like,

721
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: that's the one thing we've got to do is strip

722
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: away that framework. It's not in mum's story, it's not

723
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: society's story, it's not religions. What you want to do?

724
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Million percent, I guess.

725
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: I interviewed someone on the podcast Zoe Tarracus, who's an

726
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: amazing actor, non binary, and I was like, oh, like,

727
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: I study acting as well. And I'm like, at thirty five,

728
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: I got told I'll only be able to get like

729
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: young roles from another few years. And it's after thirty

730
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: eight you get cast as just a mum, Like that's

731
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: all you get cast as.

732
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: And so I was like, no, that's not true. That's

733
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: the world needs to change. And it gave me so

734
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: much hope.

735
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: And I feel the same about like, I feel like

736
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: our generation will be the last generation.

737
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Where you're expected. I hope so to white.

738
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Picket fence, two kids, be married by a certain age,

739
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: do this, this and this because and this is what

740
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: I love so much about your story.

741
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: You've paved the way for just like I.

742
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Feel like you've felt this passion within you and you're like,

743
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to go after this because this is what

744
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: my heart is telling me to do. You've been broken

745
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: along the way, you've been left over along the way.

746
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: People have tried to take so much of you, and

747
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: you've just stay consistently true to.

748
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Yourself and true to your story. And I love that

749
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: that isn't a question.

750
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: I know.

751
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm very kind of you. I think you know there's

752
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: a story I shown there and I won't tell it now,

753
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: but where I didn't trust my intuition on the brand

754
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: and you know, nearly bankrupted us in one season. And

755
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: so I think you're very kind to say that I

756
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: have stayed true to myself, but it's a struggle every time,

757
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: Like I talk about a relationship breakdown there, and you know,

758
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: when my self worth wasn't aligned with my professional self worth.

759
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: So I think in the book, I've written it to

760
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: the lessons I've learned to stay true, but it's hard

761
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: along the way. It's we veer away from our true

762
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: self and that's when we find ourselves, I think, in

763
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: the most uncomfortable within ourselves.

764
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: And I did want to ask a little bit about that,

765
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: and well, you share about that heartbreak, and I think

766
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: as a female, like when when you find out someone's

767
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: cheating on you, it's so confronting and it makes you

768
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: I think it makes you value your self worth because

769
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: if someone else is cheating on you or can't love you,

770
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: you're like, well I can't love myself.

771
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me?

772
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: And you're I think i'd love you to talk about

773
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: like that moment where you were. You'd found out that

774
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: they've been over.

775
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: At least eight cases have been cheated on, and your

776
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: response was kind of.

777
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: Like staying with me. So I think that's the And

778
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: I think there's the thing about finding out a truth, right,

779
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, when you're like, I know I need to

780
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: know more information, but once I find it out, I

781
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 3: can't I know it. So you kind of hover around

782
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: this like no fly area of just you know. And

783
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: so I sat down in front of my I'd found

784
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: out he was cheating on me, and just I was

785
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: completely ruined and you know, having a really rough time

786
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: with it, and sat down in front of him and say,

787
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: you know, how long has this affair been going on?

788
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: And he turned to me and he said which one?

789
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: And I said, well, how many have there been? And

790
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: he sent at least eight? And it was in my

791
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: response to him, because you know, I so publicly, this

792
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: was in twenty fifteen, and so publicly I was about women.

793
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: I was about women's empowerment, about supporting women in their career,

794
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent self worth in my career as

795
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: it related to that. And then I turned to him

796
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: and I said, please don't leave me, and I you know,

797
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: I pretty much begged him to, and you know he

798
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: just got up and walked over me and walked out

799
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: the door at that time. But you know, when I

800
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: look back on that, I'm like, man, my self worth,

801
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: my personal self worth and my professional self worth were

802
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: so out of alignment. And what was coming up on

803
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: my path required, which was to launch this amount, the

804
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: World's Fundation to help women who support women in business.

805
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: Those alignment thys self worth, professional and personal needed to

806
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 3: be in alignment. And that was the work I had

807
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: to do and peel myself up.

808
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: Oh and I think again, Jeff, you had a phone

809
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: call with in you and he was like, buddy, yeah,

810
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but it was you are loved. You

811
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: will get through, and I love It's just like this

812
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: really fucking sucks, but you will get through.

813
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: There is supported you've got. You know, by this time,

814
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: we had, you know, an incredible team and everything. And

815
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't know, Jeff is such a realist,

816
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: and he's just like it can be shipped, like just

817
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: not like it's gonna be fun Like it's not like

818
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: this had cheerleader. It's like, hey, it is gonna be

819
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: shipp And I'm like, oh, how freeing to be like,

820
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: it's okay to it's shit. It's okay, do not know

821
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: if you want to have kids, it's okay to be

822
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: in that you know, shit zone for a bit or

823
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: unknown zone or whatever it is. I think on you know, Instagram,

824
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 3: and I hate to keep talking about anyone, but it's

825
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 3: like you live in this like you know, be your

826
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: best self and hustle, and I'm like that's great, you know,

827
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 3: on a great day, but you know, And that's when

828
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: I first wrote the book. My working first working title

829
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: was public Brand, Private Life, and what I really wanted

830
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: to do was tell the human element of what goes

831
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: on in between those because it's humans doing business, it's

832
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: humans building brands. As a female creative founder, there's a

833
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: lot that it takes to sacrifice to do that, and

834
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: I think, you know, putting that human element behind, in

835
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 3: my case, the entrepreneurial journey. It's like, we've got if

836
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 3: we're going to be posting these things on Instagram about

837
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 3: live your best life and you know, hustle, hust last,

838
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: and I'm like cool, but the reality is some days

839
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: are going to be shit and that's okay.

840
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: And also what you're doing at one stage like six

841
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: weeks in New York, ten days in Sydney, like that

842
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: was your life.

843
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: That was my life for nine years.

844
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing though, But it's a lot.

845
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: It's a lot. But like living that.

846
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: I think as a designer, like living that you're living

847
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: the iconic American dream as well as keeping the Australian.

848
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you needed to have like

849
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: five versions of yourself to be able to have a

850
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: private life as well. I imagine. I think I know

851
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: what your answer to this might be, but I want

852
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: to see what is what has been the hardest decision

853
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: that you had to make in your career.

854
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: I think you'll think it's closing the business. That's what

855
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: that's like, She's going to take me there, welcome. It's

856
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: that's the biggest decision I've ever made. But it was

857
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: the calmest by the time that I got to that

858
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: crossroads to make it. Having said that, the two years

859
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: leading up to it were a personal turmile for me.

860
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: So I think you know, as you know, as a

861
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: creative person, you live off this lifeblood of you know, inspiration,

862
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: and there's a flicker in you somewhere that you know

863
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: when you're creating and what you're doing and you love it,

864
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: and it's it's all great, and you know, by the

865
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: by twenty sixteen, I had designed probably about eleven thousand

866
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: pieces of jewelry. So the concept of creative block to

867
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: me was not uncommon.

868
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: You know.

869
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: It's so I'm like, all right, well, I noticed that

870
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: light's dimming a little bit, but it's just creative block. Like,

871
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: just give me six months in another you know, another

872
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: six months a year, and I'm like, okay, this is

873
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: just like getting less and less. So at that time

874
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: I was, you know, could design Joey with my with

875
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: my eyes closed at that point. So I'm designing with

876
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: my hands, but not with my heart. And by the

877
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: time I got to mid twenty eighteen, I was just like,

878
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: I need to get this creativity, but I can't live

879
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: like this as a creative person. It just felt hollow inside,

880
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 3: and I created some space. I went to an upstate

881
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: thing in New York, to a retreat just to kind

882
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: of take a week and just trying my gold going

883
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: there was I need to get this creativity back. How

884
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: do I tap back into that? And in creating space

885
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: in you know, physically and mentally I allowed I think

886
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: these ideas because Elizabeth Gilbert talks about the fact that

887
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: there's idea is always floating around us that is waiting

888
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 3: for a place to land. And at that time, I

889
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: cleared space and I just had this clarity around it.

890
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: It's time to close. Like it was an instant and

891
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: it was calm, and it was it was felt, and

892
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: I was like, it's time to close. I didn't even

893
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: know that was an option for me, to be honest,

894
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: So every morning after that, I kept touch to myself

895
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: for two weeks, and every morning I would wake up

896
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: and ask myself how I felt about it, not what

897
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: I thought about it, because you know, when you put

898
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: it through that thinking filter, there's no logic to that decision.

899
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: But it felt right. And you can't fake a feeling.

900
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: Is the best advice I can give anyone, like go

901
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: back to you know, you can talk yourself out of anything,

902
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: but you cannot fake a feeling. I love that.

903
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: And you've got a photo in the book of the

904
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: moment you made that ah, and it's like this beautiful,

905
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: serene green crossroads.

906
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful.

907
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: But so you come to terms with that feeling, but

908
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: then you've got all these stuff that you're probably knowing

909
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: if your heart driven, which you are, you probably care

910
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: so much about you've got all this.

911
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: Success, Like, how do you then pluck up the courage.

912
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: To be like, right, we're doing that well, I think

913
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: an answer to your question before that was the hardest

914
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 3: and obviously the decision had already been made. But to

915
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: show up in front of you know, probably forty five

916
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: people at that time and be like, hey, guys, I've

917
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: made a decision. I don't want to do this anymore.

918
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: We're closing, is that was really really tough and complete

919
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: credit again to Jeff who took the logistical side of that,

920
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: and you know he really fought from the start. Didn't

921
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: fight because I was fighting it, but like he stood up.

922
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, we need to renumerate the

923
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 3: entire team above and beyond, you know, for this decision.

924
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: So you know, most longtime staff got twenty thousand dollars

925
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: as a you know, as a base payment, just to

926
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: be like, you know, thank you for your time and

927
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: your service. And he was like, whether they leave tomorrow,

928
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: where they leave in the six months when we close,

929
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: like we'll support you whatever you need so and you know,

930
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: to their credit and I'll know. I remember seeing the

931
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: boardroom just bursting into tears, like explaining the emotion of

932
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: the journey and the decision, and they just were so supportive,

933
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: like you know, essentially sitting there telling them they don't

934
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: have a job anymore, and they were just so supportive.

935
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: And I think that's you know often say when you

936
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: know you have so modestly name a brand after yourself,

937
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: the people that come and choose to work alongside of

938
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: you and building your dream, that's a that's an act

939
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: of grace. So those people would just handle my heart incredible.

940
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I believed in everything that you were about as well,

941
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: Like these are people you had the same in yoga

942
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: this word called dama and it's your purpose like you're

943
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: calling and so you had that same like common drama

944
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: where the dumb was to be on that journey with

945
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: you for that time. Definitely, so people listening that are

946
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: like okay, okay, like what's next, Like take me through like.

947
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: From that moment, because that was true. Was that two

948
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: thousand and ninety when.

949
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: We closed, Yeah, as we closed on January eleventh, twenty nineteen.

950
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Eleven is a lucky number.

951
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: No, I chose eleven, So did you, and it was

952
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: it was surreal, you know, like at five o'clock we

953
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: turned the website off and it was just like, Samantha

954
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Walls is now closed after fifteen years, and I like it.

955
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Do you know the final scene in Cheers when they

956
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: ended and they tend the light off in the bar

957
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: and it just like fades to black.

958
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't like that such an eighties child to say, like.

959
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: And then, so take me through kind of like because

960
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: obviously COVID's then happened as well. You're like, there's a

961
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: beautiful photo in the book as well where you're speaking

962
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: on stage to women, inspiring them. You've got these intense

963
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: abdominal pains figuring out. You know that there's a health

964
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: situation going on as well, which was just kind of

965
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: touched on.

966
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: But like, take me through from then to now, like.

967
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I mean when I started writing this book,

968
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: I had a company, you know that I wasn't closing,

969
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 3: so it was like a plot twist of my own doing.

970
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: So it was meant to be just a straight business memoir.

971
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: So after we closed, you know, was still in New York,

972
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: so was back and forth still, you know, I had

973
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: some stuff was tying up and then we're meant to

974
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: release this book in March twenty twenty, and obviously the

975
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: world changed and they wanted to tour the books, so like,

976
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: let's push it back a yeah. And in January of

977
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I was in an or having an operation

978
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: for to treat stage four and me tracis and to

979
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: removal of tow five roads a size of oranges. But

980
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: the lead up to getting to that o R was

981
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: a long and stubborn and dismissing one on my behalf

982
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: that you know, my body every month was just getting

983
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: worse and was she was screaming out to me, and

984
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 3: I just you know, I would numb her with as

985
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: many Europeans as I could take. I would, you know,

986
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: curse her for you know this, you know, for the

987
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: inconvenience essentially, And I liken it now that you know,

988
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: if your best friend was screaming every month, you know

989
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 3: you'd help her. If a dog was like in agony

990
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: for ten days a month, you would do whatever you

991
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: could to stop that pain. But I'm like, I couldn't

992
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: offer myself that same empathy. And you know, as we do,

993
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: we move it to when I'm not so busy, i'd

994
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: get to that, or you know, you know, I'll put

995
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: it on the list and I'll get to it tomorrow,

996
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: which is the illusive tomorrow list. But yeah, when I

997
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: finally got into that doctor surgery, the surgeon was just like,

998
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: this is not good. And you know the orange that's huge,

999
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: two oranges. Yeah, so so yeah, and you know, March's

1000
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: and Demetrios is awareness month, and I think you know

1001
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: this disease, there's no cure for it. It affects one

1002
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: in ten women were not educated on it because some

1003
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: medical professionals aren't even educated on it. And we just

1004
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: need to be normalizing the conversation around women's health and

1005
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: we're very passionate about that. But yeah, ended up in

1006
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: the O R and pheel, you know, to get a diagnosis,

1007
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: I think after something that's plagued duicy for so long

1008
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: is one. I felt relieved but also ashamed that I had,

1009
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, probably six years I had known something wasn't

1010
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: quite right, but I just pushed on and yeah, it's

1011
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: no way to treat your body.

1012
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for sharing that, because I

1013
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: know that that would be would have been especially at

1014
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: the time, so confronting to go through as well.

1015
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: And then after that, So after that was when you

1016
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: decided I'm going to freeze my.

1017
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 3: Ex So I essentially went to the doctor to talk

1018
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: about egg freezing. Yeah, and against something I'd been meaning

1019
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: to do but had to always put off. In the

1020
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 3: doctor and I was like, oh, you know, while I've

1021
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: got you're can barely stand up st and I was

1022
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: about to pass out from cramping. It's like, I just

1023
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: think something's not right with my period. And she's like, okay,

1024
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: she goes, maybe we need to get you to a specialist. Hey.

1025
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: So you know, it's those things that you know, they

1026
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: bring us to where we're meant to be. But yeah,

1027
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: I definitely went in talking about something different after the

1028
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: ENDO operation, had to wait six months before I could

1029
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: read usit the egg creasing and yeah, then and did

1030
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: that process in December of twenty twenty last year.

1031
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: That's a big year. That's a big for your body,

1032
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: like physically, to go through all of that acutely.

1033
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: And you know, and you know that post that you're

1034
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: saying before fluctuating was in the size eight and fourteen. Yeah,

1035
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: so I had a marina. They recommend a marina for

1036
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 3: the type of endo that I had as a treatment.

1037
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: It's not for everyone, but I it's been really great

1038
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: for me. And so that you know that does weight fluctuations,

1039
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, it's got to settle into your body. So

1040
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: the first one once we're pretty dark, you know, mental

1041
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: health wise. So again, and I'm going to say the

1042
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: female body is just exceptional, just truly truly exceptional.

1043
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: What comes next? The next chef? Like what?

1044
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: This book is already flying and I can't wait to

1045
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: see it continue to fly. And anybody listening to this, Actually,

1046
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: when I did my unboxing, I have people writing to

1047
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: be going, oh my god, tell me all about like.

1048
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I really yeah, So like I am.

1049
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 2: I know that it's I'm sure it's already going gangbusters,

1050
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: but I cannot wait to see where it goes.

1051
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: You will, you have to take this internationally.

1052
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, I look at the book

1053
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: now and I'm like, even though they're my stories on

1054
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: the ink on the pages, if anyone sees a part

1055
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: of themselves or their experience, I'm like, they're no longer

1056
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: my story. They're our stories, right, And I think that's

1057
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: the beauty of storytelling around that connection. And so now

1058
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: I look at the book as a separate enterity. It's

1059
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to follow her. Where she leads,

1060
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: I will follow. So I hope she you know, I

1061
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: know she's got a path that she will go on.

1062
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: I would love to see her adapted outside of pages

1063
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: in some way, in whatever format that looks like.

1064
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: Imagine a movie.

1065
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: Imagine a movie. Oh, I love that.

1066
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1067
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: And you know, and I'm also doing a lot around

1068
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: if that's the story of you know, entrepreneurship. I'm also

1069
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: doing a lot with tangibly handing over you know, our

1070
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: company documents and things in an educational format. So we'll

1071
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: be doing a masterclass, doing some online workshops on some

1072
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: athwoods dot com and you know, storytelling in different formats.

1073
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: But that's that's what the future is for me at this.

1074
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Minute, because from the very beginning, you've been a storyteller.

1075
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: I think you know, and I say, jewelry was never

1076
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: like my one true love. It was the vehicle that

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00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: allowed me to tell stories and to create and you know,

1078
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: not only through the pieces, through the campaign, through you know,

1079
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 3: every touch point. But yeah, that's what I see myself

1080
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: as first and foremost.

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00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: I have to say something really funny but weird so

1082
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: I heard on a podcast you want to be a

1083
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: dolphin trainer?

1084
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: My dream was to be around Orca whales.

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00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 2: So that was my young And obviously I know like

1086
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: animals should totally not be kept in captivity now.

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00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: But like you know, as a kid, free Wily was

1088
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: massive going to Sea World. You're like, no, it's yeah,

1089
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: that was definitely the big dream.

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00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know similar similar dreams there.

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00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: And then I have to ask, as somebody that just

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00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: and obviously traveling is something that we don't really get

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00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: to do at the moment with COVID stuff, as somebody

1094
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: that just absolutely loves New York, can you just tell me,

1095
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: like your favorite thing? And it can be as simple

1096
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: as like I get a bagel from here, Like.

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00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: I love that there's just something always open, Like yeah,

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00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: I love that energy. It doesn't it never feels like

1099
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: you're alone in New York. Even it's there's just an

1100
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: I like that. You know you go, then everyone's there too.

1101
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: It's not a cheap city to be and by any means,

1102
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of working hard. They're there to better themselves

1103
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: or their career, and it's like this energy current that

1104
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: everyone's kind of moving in this one direction, but people

1105
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: grab you along the waving like come with you know,

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00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: let me introduce this person. And it's just like this

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00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: electricity in the city, which I just love. Terrible coffee.

1108
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: There's terrible coffee. There's you know if there was one

1109
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: the carver in the right near my house in the

1110
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: West Village with a good coffee I found. But it's

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00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: just magic. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that way you said the electricity.

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00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: I would describe it the same, like there is this

1114
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: it's like the moment your feet hit that ground.

1115
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the energy flips. It just feel it feels fast.

1116
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels And I mean this in the best

1117
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: kind of way, like more dog eat dog, like you

1118
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: beat on point you go like if you don't walk

1119
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: through that door someone opens, it'll close in your face.

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00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: Doesn't and they don't care it. I described you because

1121
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: the cruel mistress or I'm like, she beats you up,

1122
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: but you just keep coming back from Yeah, and I

1123
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 3: think you know, it's very evident there as an Australian.

1124
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: The Australian way of downplaying yourself does not fly anywhere

1125
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: in America because they believe you.

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00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: If you're like, oh no, I've just just I haven't

1127
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: done that much. But in America you're like, I'm like, yeah,

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00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: I've written ten books and they're like you have oh.

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00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: Amazing, Where can I get it? Like they will believe

1130
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: what you tell them. You're a sense if you're in

1131
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: there being like, oh, you know, I'm probably not that

1132
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: good at but I could give it a go. They're like,

1133
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: if you're telling me you're not that good, Like, I'm

1134
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 3: going to wait for someone who's telling me they yeah.

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: It just and New York is the epitome of that.

1136
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 3: It's like there's no time to fuck around. It's like

1137
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: go in and sell yourself and have a go. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Samantha Wills, you are absolutely phenomenal. Anybody listening to

1139
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: this podcast, go out and get yourself a copy of

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00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: Samantha Wills, a Memoir of a creative life of Golden Dust.

1141
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Speaker 1: This is beautiful.

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00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you to sign it for me,

1143
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: and I'd love to thank you so much for having

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Speaker 2: me on Big Love. That's a wrap on another episode

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00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you to our guests,

1146
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: and let's continue the conversation on Instagram. I'm at Yamo

1147
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,879
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