1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're dose of the hottest 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Torbert and I'm joined by. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: My sisters and journalists Amy and Kate. 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: On today's show, the growing number of Ossie influencers putting 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: their content behind paywalls, why f one bracing is suddenly 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: in vogue? And should we care about Sarah's Day's Sun's haircut? 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: But first, this week, I was absolutely shocked to discover 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: that twenty one year old influencer Anastasia kings North has 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: never eaten a Hot Cross bun before, and she's. 11 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: Never eaten across both. 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, this might sound pretty random, but in the lead 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: up to Easter, she filmed a challenge video where she 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: only ate Easter food for twenty four hours, and as 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: you can imagine, the majority of Easter food is chocolate. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: So she decided to break it up with the Hot 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Cross bun. And this is where she decided to admit 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: that she's never had a Hot Cross bun before. 19 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: Now here's her first. 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Reaction ever to trying one. 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: I am actually gonna have a Hot Cross Bun. I'm 22 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: not gonna lie. I've never tried a hot Cross bond before. 23 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: I know why. I really don't know why, because they 24 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: actually look really nice. That these are the fruit ones, 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 3: which I'm not too sure on, but they didn't have 26 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: any without fruit, So I'm gonna put it in the coaster, 27 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: put some butter on them, and we can give it 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: a go. It spell's nice. It just sounds very like 29 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: fruit tea. I don't really know. Yeah, it just sounds 30 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: quite fruity. Mm. It's really like soft, which is such 31 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: a weird way to describe it, but that's really really good. 32 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Almost taste kind of cinnamon, e like a cinnamon roll. 33 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: I love cinnamon rolls. That's cine one of my favorite 34 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: things ever. I really like that. I kind of wish 35 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: I put more butter on it. 36 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: Actually, this is the same girl that kept bread in 37 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: the fridge, and I know that was a big debate 38 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: last year on our podcast. Again, I think it is 39 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: meant to be in the pantry. I just feel sorry 40 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: for her that she has gone so long without having 41 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: a hot Cross bun. They're one of my favorite things 42 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: about Easter. 43 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: I feel like it's pretty. 44 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Criminal to have never tried a hot Cross bum before, 45 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: and it did really crack me up hearing her explain it, 46 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: because it was like she was some sort of alien, like, Oh, 47 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: it's very soft, to be honest, I'm surprised because I 48 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: thought her mum, Julie would be all over hot cross buns. 49 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: And it made me wonder does Tesco's not sell hot 50 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: cross buns or something? Because she is the of tesco 51 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: And even the other day I was at the McDonald's 52 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: drive through and I saw they sell hot cross buns now, 53 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: so I wonder if this is a thing in the UK, 54 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: because she is of course. 55 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: Known to love McDonald's. Two yeah, and she did it. 56 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: She went to McDonald's and got a cream egg mcflurry, 57 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that McDonald's in the UK has an 58 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: Easter menu. Perhaps we need some of our UK listeners 59 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: to chime in. I always get really excited when I 60 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: see someone join our group, like our Facebook group from 61 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: the UK, because I just feel like it's my spiritual home. 62 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: I feel like Anastasia did raise two pretty interesting points though. 63 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: One she heeded her hot cross bun up in the toaster. 64 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Now that's a bit of a no note for me. 65 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I like to put mine on the tray and put 66 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: it in the oven. See, I do mine in the 67 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: microwave because I don't like it. Yeah, because I like 68 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: it to be you know, when it tastes really fresh 69 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: when you've just sapped it for about five seconds. Really, 70 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: I like to have mine crispy. See, I put mine 71 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: in the oven, as you said, on a tray. But 72 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: Reese likes to cut his in half and then put 73 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: it on the oven, so it gets toasty and crispy 74 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: on both sides. But I like to have crispy on 75 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: the outside and then when you cut into it, it's 76 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: still soft and nice on the inside. Now, the other 77 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: points she raised as well, which I thought was interesting, 78 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: was what spreads to have on a hot cross bun. 79 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: And I am the pretty traditional type, so I think 80 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: you can't beat anything but butter. But she was suggesting 81 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: having jams on there. I think it depends what type 82 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: of hot cross bun you have, because if you're having 83 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a chocolate hot cross bund, there's nothing better than just 84 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: having butter. But if you're having a traditional hot cross bun, 85 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I would advise putting some of the tella on it, 86 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: but then it just turns into a chocolate hot cross bun. No, 87 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: you should put natella on the plane ones that don't 88 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: have the sultanas. 89 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: That is the best. 90 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: Have you guys been seeing that viral recipe going around 91 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: it where you put natella and. 92 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: Caramilk on it. 93 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: I really want to try that this weekend. Now, we 94 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: really have been getting into the Easter spirit, and we 95 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: thought what a better way to celebrate than coming up 96 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: with one of our old school food hierarchies. So we 97 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: have an Easter chocolate hierarchy. And we did enlist the 98 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: help of our cousins who are in their twenties because 99 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: they really are chocolate connoisseurs. 100 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: They did take it very seriously. 101 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Did and we did have a bit of a round 102 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: table discussion throwing out our favorites and not so favorites, 103 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: and Amy, you did record a little bit of this 104 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: because it was bloody hilarious. 105 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: How seriously they were. 106 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Taking it I know, and I don't think the boys 107 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: know we recorded it, so I have to let them 108 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: know before this podcast goes up. But their reactions to 109 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: some of the chocolate was hilarious and I think we 110 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: should go to a grab of it now. 111 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: The multeeser Bunny, oh yeah, trying to unwrap the little 112 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: ones without nails. 113 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Caramel. This is a real controversial one, but I fucking 114 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: hate chocolate. It's more expensive and I'm not grabbing it. 115 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Just traditional bunny and the I just love the way 116 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: that our cousin Cameron was describing eating an Easter bunny 117 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: like it almost sounded sexual because it was like, and 118 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: wrap the ears, then I go to the face and 119 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: the arms. Anyway, it just sounded a bit odd, but 120 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: I kind of understood where he was coming from because 121 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: I think that there is a certain ritual you do 122 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: when you do eat Easter eggs or Easter buddies, like 123 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: for instance, I think that I love little Easter eggs 124 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: so much because I love just the art. 125 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: Of unwrapping them, whether you rip the paper. 126 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: When we were talking to our cousins, it actually got 127 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: me thinking about a spinoff podcast for us. I actually 128 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: think it would be hilarious to do a podcast where 129 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: you just sit and detail different food hierarchies each week 130 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: and maybe have a special guest on. 131 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: So if people want to listen to that, let us know. 132 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: It's like an audio mook bug I reckon it make 133 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: me really hungry listening to it. I mean, I think 134 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: you've got to draw the line in not eating whilst 135 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: you're reporting, because there's nothing more annoying than hearing food 136 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: rolling around in someone's mouth. And if you do want 137 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: to check out the Easter hierarchy, go over to our 138 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: Instagram account which is Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore Podcast and 139 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts. 140 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: You still believe that the Easter Bunny buys all the 141 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: eggs for the children and distributes them, don't you? That's right, 142 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: Well he doesn't. I bought these eggs for the children 143 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 4: to hide in the gardens on Easter morning. No, no, 144 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: you did, yes, yes, you see. Just before she died, 145 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: missus Cropley got a phone call from the Easter Bunn 146 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 4: who said he was just too busy to buy them. 147 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: Lissie. 148 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Last week, Well Loved Ozsie TikToker Millie Ford flagged her 149 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: intention of joining paid subscription site Sunroom. The comedian joins 150 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: a growing number of Ossie influencers signing up to put 151 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: their content behind a paywall. Now, Amy, can you tell 152 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: us more about Sunroom? 153 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, o Kate. 154 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: Sunroom was founded by Lucy mort who formerly led the 155 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: design for dating app Hinge, and Michelle Battersby, who was 156 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the marketing director for Bumble Australia, and the premise of 157 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: the platform is similar to only fans in the followers 158 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: pay of subscription in order to view and engage in 159 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: content from a creator, and what makes it different is 160 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: it's aimed at female and non binary creators. According to 161 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: Michelle and Lucy, Sunroom is focused on helping women and 162 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: non binary creators monetize their platforms. It also aims to 163 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: remove the stigma around influencers and creators asking their followers 164 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: for payment, as well as facilitating genuine connections between creators 165 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: and their followers. Now Sunroom is targeting some pretty interesting 166 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: influencers and creators. As mentioned, Millie Ford, known as milligram 167 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: ninety six on social media, is one influencer who's flagged 168 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: her intentions of joining so Milli shared and Instagram story 169 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: last week saying I've been thinking about what I could 170 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: offer that I don't post anywhere else, and it would 171 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: be a random mix of things like my secrets to 172 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: creating viral content on social media, how you can make 173 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: a full time living off TikTok, my dating, personal life stuff. 174 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: I chat with my close friends about how I create 175 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: skit slash content, day to day vibe checks, discussing my 176 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: upcoming projects, slash future career plans and my self love 177 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: journey and how TikTok and being bold online has changed 178 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: my life. 179 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: So just a couple of things. 180 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: That she didn't turn quite a long list out out 181 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: of breath there. There's a lot that you're paying for there, 182 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: and she said, I'm also keen to offer one on 183 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: one experiences like advice, voice, memos, chats, d and ms 184 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. Also, full disclosure, it would be a monthly 185 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: subscription fee. I guess in saying this, does this interest 186 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: any of you? And if yes, how much money would 187 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: you be willing to pay per month? I'm open to suggestions. 188 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: Love you guys. 189 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: I do think that. 190 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: Sunroom is being pretty strategic in terms of influencers they 191 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: have so far approached to be a part of this platform. 192 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: So some of the creators include Lucy Jackson and Clementine Ford, 193 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: and they obviously have a very particular audience that are 194 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: loyal to them. And there's also a vast number of 195 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: creators on the platform who say that their content has 196 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: been censored on other platforms. So, for example, mummy vloggers 197 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: who have had their breastfeeding posts sense it and on 198 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: Sunroom's website it says, have you been censored on other 199 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: platforms on topics like breastfeeding, disability, sexual wellness, opinions on 200 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: women's issues, and body positivity? Can we support and protect 201 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: you and your cause on Sunroom? So I think Sunroom 202 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: are being very clever here aligning themselves with influencers and 203 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: creators who offer their audience more than just an esthetic. Yeah, 204 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: it's true because the women who have signed up to 205 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: Sunroom aren't just influencers. They're riders, podcasters, comedians, and cooks, 206 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: so they have a lot of extra content to offer. 207 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: So basically, when you think about it, Instagram and TikTok 208 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: are free platforms where people just give you anything about 209 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: their life and you can kind of go with or 210 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: without it. I think, you know, we joke about Sammy 211 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: Robinson unstacking her dishwasher. It's hardly very informative content. So 212 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: this is a step in the direction of actually paying 213 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: creators for decent contents. So it's not like you go 214 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: on one of these platforms and just film yourself doing 215 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: daily tasks like people do on YouTube. Yeah, I mean, 216 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I think that's the intention but I think there still 217 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: are some influencers who could probably do that and still 218 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: get paid. Doesn't it remind you of when back in 219 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: the day when we were at high school, when celebrity 220 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: would bring out these exclusive fan clubs, so you know, 221 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: you'd have your forum, and then they'd be like, oh, 222 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: actually you've got to pay to be part of this 223 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: special forum where the celebrity comes on and chats with you. 224 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Was it the Dean Guy a forum that you suddenly 225 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: had to pay for, because I remember always being on 226 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: there and then something happened. I don't know if it 227 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: was just that Dean Guy's career went down the panel. 228 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: So basically a whole bunch of Australian Idol ex contestants 229 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: were creating their own fan forum, so they were separate 230 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: from the original forum. But it made everyone go over 231 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: and have to pay for it. But I mean, I 232 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: suppose that's the difference between celebrities and influencers. The reason 233 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: why people connect with influencers is because they're like the 234 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: people next door and. 235 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: They do just reply to you for free. 236 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, the creators who sign up to Sunroom, they can 237 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: make money through monthly subscriptions, but they can also make 238 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: money through cheers, which is a paid reaction, So if 239 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: you like a video, you give it a cheers, which 240 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: then sends money to the creator through the in app 241 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: currency which is called beams. So influencers can make money 242 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: through tips via comments and DMS. And one part of 243 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: the app which is really great is Sunroom's anti screenshop technology, 244 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: which they call Sunblock. And I think this has been 245 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: a big issue for only fans because people are able 246 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: to steal content on their so Sunroom is saying they 247 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: are actually protecting their creators. 248 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: I mean that's not. 249 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: Even just for content of a sexual nature, because if 250 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: you think about it, if your friends joined up the 251 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: Sunroom and your favorite influencer is on there giving helpful 252 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: tips about how to start an influencing career or a business, 253 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: and you sit there and screen record it and then 254 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: send it on to your friends or put it up 255 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: online so that they can all have a look, that's 256 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: stopping their creator from getting paid exactly. 257 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: Now. 258 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: Sunroom has spark discussion on gender bias in regards to 259 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: social media. So in a recent interview, Lucy and Michelle 260 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Flagg that a lot of creators, especially female creators, feel 261 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: awkward asking their audience for payment, which I found really interesting. 262 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: So at the moment, Sunroom is a female and non 263 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: binary creator only space, and we know that influencer space 264 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: is made up predominantly of women and has historically women 265 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: are hesitant to discuss money. 266 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: So do you guys think that gender comes. 267 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: Into play in regards to female creators feeling awkward to 268 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: ask for payment. I do definitely relate to that because 269 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: you and I run a PR business, amy and I 270 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: always say to clients that I hate talking about money 271 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: with them, and I think that On the other hand, 272 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: obviously I'm generalizing here, but I feel like a lot 273 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: of men are more confident to ask what they believe 274 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: that they deserve to be paid, whereas I feel like 275 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: as women growing up, we have this internalized misogyny where 276 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: we think, oh, we're lucky to get the opportunity, or 277 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: we can't. 278 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: Ask for that much. 279 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it's also a lot to do with 280 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, but I definitely feel like it is something 281 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: that a lot of women in business feel. 282 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: That they can't ask to be paid what they deserve. 283 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: I do feel like there is this widespread view though, 284 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: that influencers don't contribute much to society and that their 285 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: work is fickle. But when you delve a bit deeper 286 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: into the topic, it does make you question whether gender 287 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: bias comes into this widespread view because according to a 288 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: twenty time nineteen study, eighty four percent of Instagram influencers 289 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: are women, and as a society, whether we like it 290 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: or not, there is this inherent cultural bias where society 291 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: consistently overrates men's work and underrates women's work. So it 292 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: is interesting that the large majority of influencers are women 293 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: and that we tend to label the work they do 294 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: as unimportant or not worth payment. You make a really 295 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: good point, and I just think it's awkward that it 296 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: is the influencer industry that is predominantly female because a 297 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: lot of the tasks, as we were talking about earlier, 298 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: people seem to think that they are completely overpaid for 299 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: them because a lot of influencers. 300 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: Just operate in their normal life. 301 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: They film what they're doing and then they upload it 302 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: and get a huge amount of money for that content. 303 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: So I can understand how it could be awkward to 304 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: then put a monetary value on that type of content, 305 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: particularly if you aren't creating, like for example, if someone 306 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: I think Mama Mia, have their own podcast subscription that 307 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: you get extra episodes. Now you can kind of commodify 308 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: that a little bit more. Okay, five dollars a month 309 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: for three podcasts a week. Okay, that kind of makes 310 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: sense to me. However, when it is someone just sporadically 311 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: updating you about their life behind a paywall, it's hard 312 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: to work out the value in that because it's not 313 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: something that we've ever really had to rate in terms 314 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: of value. 315 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: We've always got it for free. 316 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: See going back to Amy's point, I do tend to 317 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: agree that as a society we do undervalue what influencers offer. 318 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: And I do think we tend to forget the time 319 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and effort that goes into making content and also fostering 320 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: and growing a community of people. And I think this 321 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: is because there are a lot of influencers who do 322 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: it badly, but there are some who do it really 323 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: well and do invest a lot of time. And you know, 324 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest, influencers get paid well for the work 325 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: they do because they do offer a lot to marketers. 326 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: The amount of money that marketers make off an influencers 327 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: sharing something about their brand is enormous. And they might 328 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: not get paid from their followers, but inadvertently, we as 329 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: far followers fund their lifestyle by buying their products and 330 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: engaging with their content. Now, Amy, do you think in 331 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: the future we will all have to pay for influencers content? Well, 332 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: I feel like we're so conditioned at the moment to 333 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: expect everything for free online, and there is this well 334 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: held belief that influencers are more than fairly paid for 335 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: their services. I don't think it will get to a 336 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: point where we have to pay for all influencer content. However, 337 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: I think influencers may limit their time spent on free 338 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: platforms engaging with followers, instead favoring pages like Sunroom that 339 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: reward them for their time. It is really interesting when 340 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: you look at the popularity of only fans and just 341 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: how much money some creators are making off the platform. 342 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: And there's clearly a market of willing consumers who pay 343 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: to view only fans sexual content. But do you guys 344 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: think people are willing to pay for extra content when 345 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: it comes to their favorite influencers and creators. I mean, 346 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: would you guys pay to follow influences for me? It 347 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: depends what sort of content. I don't think I would 348 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: pay for your traditional influencer content, the behind the scenes 349 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: of someone's life. But I would probably pay for your 350 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: non traditional influencer content like podcasts or content that I 351 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: deem worthy of payment. And I do think we're seeing 352 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: these two groups of influencers. We're seeing the influencers we 353 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: grew up with, and then we're seeing this new sort 354 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: of influencer who generally has an additional thing going for them. 355 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: It might be a podcast, or it might be they're 356 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: an actor on a TV show, do you know what 357 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, they're not just known for sharing their 358 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: life and that's how they've made it big on the platform. Well, 359 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: I think it's hard because when we think of influencer 360 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: content these days, all we're thinking of is influencers sprooking 361 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: shit to us. So obviously we wouldn't pay to see 362 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: influencers pushing products down our throat, but we may pay 363 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: to actually watch them legitimately tell us about their morning routine, 364 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: which isn't sponsored or you know, for instance, I would 365 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: pay to view my favorite influencers content, so people that 366 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: I actually like and respect, So someone I know like Molly, 367 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: may actually pay the season behind the scenes stuff. However, 368 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: influencers I openly detest. I would not pay because I 369 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: don't want to fill their pockets with extra money. Well, 370 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: we took this question to our Facebook community and a 371 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: lot of people were in agreement. We had over one 372 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: thousand members say they would not pay for influencer content. 373 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: Well nineteen said they would. Interestingly, many community members said 374 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: they do pay for podcasts content on Patreon because they 375 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: feel like they're getting value from it. Some also said 376 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: they pay for close friend access on Instagram. So do 377 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: you guys think in the future we will only see 378 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: influencers sharing content to subscription based services. I think this 379 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: is a really pivotal time for the influencer community. I 380 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: think in the midst of this pandemic, we have really 381 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: started to question influences that we follow, And as I 382 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: said before, there's these two groups that are starting to 383 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: break out. And I really think that people can see 384 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: through the influencing industry. Now we know that they are 385 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: used as a marketing tool, and with more regulations and 386 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: rules coming out, it is harder for influencers to actually authentic, 387 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: particularly promote products. So I think that if influencers are 388 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: given this lifeline of a new form of revenue in 389 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: terms of they're not actually having to promote anything. All 390 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: they need to do is create quality content on their platform. 391 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: And also they only then are followed by people that 392 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: actually like them, so it might reduce the trolling. So 393 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel like this could be a really positive platform 394 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: for influencers. I agree, Kay, I think it could be 395 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: a really good thing because I think that these sort 396 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: of platforms favored those who actually have a talent or 397 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: something interesting or special to talk about, or beautiful videos 398 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: to create. And I think for so long people have 399 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: such a strange view of influencers because the whole industry 400 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: has been bastardized by just people spooking shit, and no 401 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: one wants to see it anymore. We want to see 402 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: people who are talented online, and I think that's why 403 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: places like TikTok are surging in popularity, because we're seeing comedians, 404 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: We're seeing people who can act, who can dance, who 405 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: can sing, who have something other than just a hot 406 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: body that they're putting out there, Diverse people as well, 407 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: like it's not just a blonde hand girl from the 408 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, Like, we're seeing lots of interesting, talented people 409 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: getting followings. I do think that free to access platforms 410 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: like Instagram and TikTok will always exist, though, but I 411 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: feel like influencers will eventually all sign up to platforms 412 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: like Sunroom in order to share extra content because we 413 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: have seen how lucrative OnlyFans is. Yeah, but it's like 414 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: that the free platforms will be the gateway to get 415 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: those people onto a paid platform exactly because so many 416 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: people are and only fans use Instagram and Twitter to 417 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: market their only fans account. I do think though, that 418 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: consumers of influencer content will eventually suffer with the rising 419 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: popularity of paid subscriptions because I feel like so many 420 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: influencers will share less personal content on free platforms in 421 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: order of monetizing the more personal content. Yeah, but if 422 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: you think about the way television has gone, probably fifteen 423 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: years ago, we would never have thought, oh, I'm going 424 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: to pay to have Netflix like free to AIRTV. Everyone 425 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: used to watch it. People if you had Fox tell 426 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: it was like, wow, you're paying for TV shows. And 427 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: I feel like at the moment, Instagram and TikTok. 428 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 2: Are like, how free to air? 429 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: We just expect to get that content. However, these influencers 430 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: will start moving over to the subscription based content, and 431 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: I will not be surprised if that is just the norm, Like, Oh, 432 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: I've signed up to pay for Sunroom, and I have 433 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: access to my favorite influencers. So it might not be 434 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: the fact that you only are signing up to that 435 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: one influencer. It might be that you get access to 436 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them with this overarching subscription. 437 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 5: You snobs, you stupid toffeeos tough did my class piles? 438 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: We become used to influencers monetizing their own personal milestones, 439 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: from breakups to moving house. These sort of life markers 440 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: attract a lot of attention. Then there's mummy bloggers. Traditionally, 441 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: mummy bloggers started doing what name suggests, blogging about motherhood. However, 442 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: we've now seen a shift towards lifestyle and fitness influences 443 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: transitioning into the space as their life moves in that direction. However, 444 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: this means a whole new level of documentation. Audiences are 445 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: taken along for the ride the moment they pee on 446 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: the stick. From pregnancy announcements to gender reveals and even 447 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: labor v logs, These joyful moments are shared to the 448 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: Internet to willing audiences. This type of content is extremely 449 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: popular and generates a significant amount of engagement, views, clicks, 450 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: and of course money. Recently, Sarah's Day took things a 451 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: step further by clickbaiting her son Fox's haircut. 452 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 2: It was a first time the. 453 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Three year old has had his long blonde locks cut, 454 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: and a week on, viewers are still waiting for the reveal, 455 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: so hie, can you tell us more well. At the 456 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: start of April, Sarah revealed she was planning on cutting 457 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: her son's hair, and an Instagram story, she wrote, Foxy's 458 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: worst part of the day is brushing or washing his 459 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: hair every day. It turns into a huge tantrum, a 460 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: two man job with Kurt and I working to calm 461 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: him and manage his meltdown and hair. We simply can't 462 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: do this anymore with a newborn and it's not worth 463 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: the tears from Fox. 464 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: It's time. 465 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: She signed off the post with a crying face and 466 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: a haircut emoji now. Later that day, she discussed on 467 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: her story how she was sad about the haircut, but 468 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: Fox seemed excited. The next day, Sarah shared several stories 469 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: of Fox's cut ponytail with the caption I cried. She 470 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: then shared a few other teaser images of the haircut, 471 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: but was careful not to include the final reveal. Now 472 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: days passed before Sarah shared a postner Instagram feed. However, 473 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: instead of it being a photo of Fox's new hair, 474 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: it was one of her hair now. She wrote, I'm 475 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: not a regular mum, I'm a cool mum. Sneak peek 476 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: into my new mummy makeover blog now. 477 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: One follower wrote. 478 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: Okay, but we want to see Fox's hair, to which 479 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Sarah wrote, ha ha ha, wait for the blog now. 480 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: Over the last couple of days, there's been a few 481 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: sneak peaks of Fox's hair. Sarah showed a photo of 482 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: him eating brunch with a hat on, and he looked 483 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: bloody adorable. There were also a few stories that showed 484 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: off Fox's short hair, which were quickly deleted, so it 485 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: appears Sarah may have accidentally uploaded it to her story 486 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: rather than her close friend's story. Now, it's quite clear 487 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: that Sarah understands that her followers are invested in Fox's haircut, 488 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: so much so that she made the conscious decision to 489 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: save the reveal for her YouTube channel. So, if do 490 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: you think that this is just a part of being 491 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: a good YouTuber or is there more to it? I 492 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: think there's a lot more to it. If you go 493 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: back to Sarah's initial post about Fox's hair, the wording 494 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: is really interesting. So she wrote that dealing with Fox's 495 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: tantrums about his hair isn't worth it anymore. So the 496 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: connotation there is that she was personally gaining from keeping 497 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: Fox's hair long. Now, there is no denying that Fox's 498 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: hair did fit the aesthetic of the brand Sarah has 499 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: been trying to create for her family. Even before he 500 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: was born, Sarah used to about how her goal in 501 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: life was to be a milk and to have blonde, 502 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: surfy grom's running around. 503 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: I mean, she even. 504 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: Chose the name Ocean as Fox's middle name. And I 505 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: know this is all really gross to verbalized, but it 506 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: seems to have played a factor into Sarah choosing to 507 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: keep her son's hair long, even when it's quite clear 508 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: he didn't like it that way. On the topic of 509 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: family branding, I have noticed recently that Sarah has emoji 510 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: she uses to represent her sons. So Fox is of 511 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: course represented by the Fox emoji, while she's been using 512 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: the angel emoji for Malachi as her son's name means 513 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: angel of God. I think the thing that makes me 514 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: feel a little bit uncomfortable with the emoji's is also 515 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: the fact that Sarah backs it up by saying that 516 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: Malachi is her angel child. And that's in reference to 517 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: the fact that she says he's a lot better behaved 518 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: than Fox, and she thinks that he's going to be 519 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: her easy child, and she kind of paints Fox in 520 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: this sort of badly behaved category. 521 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: Of when playing them off each other. 522 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I mean after Fox was born, Sarah 523 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: also brought out a pajama range with foxes on them, 524 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: and even this week, with Malachi being three weeks old, 525 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: Sarah shared a photo of him with a protein bar 526 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: next to him, with the caption Malachi wanted to share 527 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: my code for fifteen percent off the best protein bars 528 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: and then you know, says he at April fifteen, with 529 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: the term hashtag sponsored hidden in the pattern of Malachi's 530 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: JANSI now he really gave me the ick on top 531 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: of the haircut, also being used as clickbait now playing 532 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Devil's advocate here, do you think that this is just 533 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: the world we're living in now? Because Sarah's job at 534 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: the end of the day is to create content about 535 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: her life, and a big part of her life are 536 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: her sons. So I do feel like we're living in 537 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: a time that is really going to be put under 538 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: the microscope in twenty years time when we start to 539 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: see in real time the effect of having your private 540 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: childhood moments air to strangers does in fact have on children. 541 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: And currently there are no regulations about sharing your child's 542 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: life one So at the moment, Sarah is making a 543 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: very good fortune overdoing this. So are we just as 544 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: bad for creating the demand for this type of content? 545 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: Because in our Facebook community, I keep seeing so many 546 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: threads about Fox's haircut, and so many people are like, 547 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: why the fuck do we care about a three year 548 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: old's haircut? Can you explain why do we care? Well? 549 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: I hate to admit it because I'm judging it, but 550 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: then I also care. Like when I was watching her stories, 551 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, cool, cool, we're going to see 552 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: the next slide is going to be his hair, And 553 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: then when they didn't see it, I felt disappointed and 554 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: I felt invested in the whole process. And it's not 555 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: hard to see why because I have been following Sarah 556 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: for many years and The reality is I knew a 557 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: Fox before he was born. I saw the whole pregnancy journey. 558 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: I've been there every step of the way, and so 559 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: have most of her followers. So we feel so invested 560 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: in her life, and that means we do care about 561 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: her son's haircut. And I do think clickbaiting does play 562 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: a big part in it, because she's really playing with 563 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: the human emotion of being in quiz and wanting to 564 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: see the end. 565 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: Result of the haircut. 566 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: It did make me think, though, is she just click 567 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: paiting it for the video or and I hate to 568 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: compare Fox to your dog Archie, but remember when she 569 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: got a haircut and you kept him offline. 570 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: For a while? Like, is there an element of her 571 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 2: not liking the haircut? 572 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, possibly there is a part where perhaps she 573 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: is waiting for the haircut to grow out. I don't 574 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: actually think that that's true. I think that obviously, at 575 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: the moment she's got a newborn, she probably doesn't have 576 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: time to edit the video. She wants people to watch 577 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: it because it gets views. I think as well. I mean, 578 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: there is an element of wanting a video to be popular. 579 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: I kind of get that because I think, you know, 580 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: I sometimes am envious of YouTubers because I think would 581 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: be really special to have all of those moments captured 582 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: on videos, and having your kid's first haircut would be 583 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: pretty cute, But obviously it is it is a business. 584 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: At the end of the day. 585 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: The thing with YouTube is you actually don't earn heaps 586 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: of money off the views. Ad Sense pays you very 587 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: little for impressions. So I do wonder if maybe Sarah 588 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: has a partnership lined up for. 589 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: That particular blog. 590 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: We do see Sarah working a lot with Esme's Skincare, 591 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: so there'll be an exciting vlog that is promoted and 592 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: suddenly there's like this fifteen minute skincare routine that you're like, 593 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: this doesn't really make sense. So it will be interesting 594 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: to see what brand she has partnered with for the video. 595 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: Maybe haircare brand, who knows. Going back to your original 596 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: point of why do we care, I also think it 597 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that we analyze Sarah's behavior, 598 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: so we don't so much care what the kid's haircut 599 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: looks like, but we want to see how she reacts 600 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: to the haircut. We want to see if the haircut 601 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: still fits into the aesthetics of her life. I don't 602 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: think it's really that we care what this kid's hair 603 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: looks like. It's more what the new haircut says represents 604 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: in this next zence. 605 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: That's right, the poor kid. 606 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: He's had a big month, he's got a new baby brother, 607 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: and now he's got a new hair cut to the changes. 608 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 609 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, on the topic of. 610 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: Sarah's day, on Friday, she released her much anticipated second 611 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: birth flog. The video instantly trended number one on YouTube 612 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: and at the time of recording, has over six hundred 613 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: and fifty five thousand views. But it's not the vlog 614 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: itself I want to talk about. It's a push present 615 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: Sarah received from her husband Kurt. But before we get 616 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: into it quickly, so what is a push present for 617 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: those who may not be up to date with the term, Well, 618 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: I personally think that they're a great idea. So it's 619 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: a gift that a new mum receives from her partner 620 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: after she has pushed out the baby. And the concept 621 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: has become a thing in the last ten or so 622 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: years in Western countries. However, the tradition actually originated in 623 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: India hundreds of years ago. Okay, for those who don't 624 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: know what was Sarah's push present. Well, just before Sarah 625 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: went to the hospital, Kurt presented her with a part 626 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: of her push present, So apparently there is a second 627 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: part to it, but we are not privy today yet. 628 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: So on camera, Sarah unwrapped what seemingly looked like your 629 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: average black hoodie. However, this is YouTube, so it's not 630 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: a basic cotton on hoodie. It was a ballenz Yaga 631 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: hoodie that retails at one thousand, one hundred and fifty dollars. Now. 632 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: Sarah proceeded to wear the hoodie to hospital and while 633 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: she was in early labor. So in the vlog she 634 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: said she felt like a bougie boss in her push present, 635 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: and her sister then exclaimed who picks a hoodie as 636 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: a push present, to which Sarah responded Kurt picked it. 637 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: So there was an element of her kind of being like, oh, 638 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: this is a bit of a strange gift. What did 639 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: you think about the present? So well, I have to 640 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: paint the scene because I was actually watching this labor 641 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: vlog with my boyfriend. Now, he watches a lot of 642 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: YouTube with me, predominantly Sarah's days flogs, and we usually 643 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: have a great time chatting about it, giving our remarks, 644 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: and he's classic to watch YouTube videos with anyway. He 645 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: told me before that he was refusing to watch the 646 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: video and that was his limit. Anyway, we'd had a 647 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: bit of a tiff, so to make it up to me, 648 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, watch that video with you anyway, Hi digressor, 649 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: Hi digress. Anyway, he could not believe this jumper because one, 650 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: why would you put it on when you're giving birth? 651 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Because if this is a one thousand, one hundred and 652 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: fifty dollars jumper, can you imagine, you know, the blood, 653 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: the filth you would get on this thing, you give birth. 654 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: Jumper or doing something. 655 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never given birth, but you know when 656 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: you're having quite a traumatic experience and then you end 657 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: up hating the clothing you're wearing, Like imagine putting on 658 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: this really expensive hoodie and then just because she she 659 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: really put her hood down, she kind of used it 660 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: to block out everything. I'm also really perplexed by this 661 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: move because I feel like, don't. 662 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: They want to be a little bit more relatable. 663 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how many mums are relating to being 664 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: given a very very expensive jumper like this is a 665 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: push present. 666 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 5: I don't know. 667 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: I didn't sit well with me. Also, the timing of 668 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: the gift. It's a push present. Don't you get the 669 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: present after you've pushed the baby out? Like obviously Kurt 670 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: thought that this was a really essential part of the 671 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: labor process. He mustn't be watching her vlogs because she 672 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: kept saying how she didn't care what she was wearing 673 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: when she was in labor or when she left the hospital. 674 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: And I think that she looked quite shocked. But she 675 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: has been wearing the jumper a lot. I would personally 676 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: be so mad if my partner spent that amount of 677 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 1: money on a jumper. 678 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 5: Now. 679 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: I know we've been in a bit of a tatar 680 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: tat this week with me a plastic and you know, 681 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: her designer goods, and we've chosen not to comment further 682 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: on it because it's all spiraling, But anyway, I just 683 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: would feel sick to my stomach. 684 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: I just I just think any old hoodie would have 685 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: looked the same. 686 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: It's just got to design a logo slapped on it. 687 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the quality is nice, but I'm 688 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: really mad if we're having this kid and then my 689 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: partner is spending a grand on a fucking jumper. Look, 690 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: I think, God, yeah, if it was me, I'd be like, 691 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: could you spend that money on jewelry, because if you 692 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: get a beautiful ring, you can be like, oh, this 693 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: is the ring, this is my push present, this is 694 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: what I got when I gave birth to Malachi, Because 695 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: are you really going to keep it a jumper? 696 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, exactly. 697 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: Now, Sarah's push present really got me thinking about the 698 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: ridiculous gifts the women on Yummy Mummies received, which is 699 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: a reality show that was on Channel seven, and in 700 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: the first series, Lorinska was given a ninety nine thousand 701 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: dollar diamond ring. Now, another one of the Yummy Mummies, 702 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: Jane received a Range Rover and Rachel got a Rolex. 703 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Do you remember on the second series this is even 704 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 1: worse Eva, she was a new mum. She cracked it 705 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: because her husband gave her a Louis Verton wallet, so 706 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: he was at a party and it got sort of 707 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: delivered to her and she spout the dummy no pun intended, 708 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: because she said it wasn't good enough and the box 709 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: was too small. Anyway, she ended up opening the wallet 710 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: and finding a check for twenty thousand dollars in it 711 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: and sort of subtracted her rude commentary. 712 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: God, this is making the jumper scene pretty POxy. 713 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what the second part of the gift is. 714 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: I feel like we surely will find out about it 715 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: if it's something good. Kurt did give her a Cartier 716 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: ring before the wedding, and then she gave Kurt a 717 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: expensive watch, so I feel like there will be jewelry 718 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: on the way as well as this Valencia hoodie. Now, 719 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: does anyone feel sorry for the pressure on men in 720 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: this instance to pick out a really great push present? Personally, 721 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't look to be honest. No. As I approach 722 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: an age where I feel like I should start thinking 723 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: about having children, it's a stressful time and you think 724 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: about all the things that you will have to go 725 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: through and the things that they don't have to go through, 726 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: like putting your career on hold, and all the issues 727 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: around what happens to your body and everything to do 728 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: with it. So I think it's fucking fantastic. I think 729 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: bring on push presents. I mean, I don't think you 730 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: have to buy your partner something so extravagant like a 731 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: twelve hundred dollar hoodie. I think whatever you can afford, 732 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: because obviously having a child is a very expensive time. 733 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: But I think it's a really nice way to say 734 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: thank you to your partner for everything that they've been 735 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: through in that nine month period. Single's life is great, Homer. 736 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: I can do whatever I want. 737 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 2: And another great thing, you get your own bed. I 738 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: sleep in a racing car. 739 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 5: Do you they sleep in a big bed with my wave. 740 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: For the first time in well forever, you may have 741 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: been experiencing fomo. Regarding this year's Grand Prix, the who's 742 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: who of Melbourne influencers were out in force, with this 743 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: year's event attracting a very different crowd thanks to Netflix 744 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: megapopular series Drive to Survive Amy, record crowds were out 745 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: in force at albert Park. Yeah that's right, Sophie. And 746 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: it's the first time in two years that the Grand 747 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: Prix has returned to Melbourne after it was canceled twice 748 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: due to COVID and in the space of just two years, 749 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: the event is attracting a very different crowd. The last 750 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: time Formula One race cars tour around Albert Park in 751 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, there was a strong bloky atmosphere. However, this weekend, 752 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: there were more young women than ever in attendance, and 753 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: this is due to Netflix hit series Drive to Survive. 754 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: So the show has been credited for introducing a whole 755 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: new demographic of young women to Formula one. Now, I've 756 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: got to admit I have kind of watched this show show, 757 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: you know when you've got a show on and you're 758 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: on your phone, So I don't know everything that's been happening, 759 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: but it does give you a real fly on the 760 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: wall look at the characters involved in the sport and 761 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: the rivalries between the drivers and the teams and Ossie 762 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: driver Daniel Ricardo is the star of the show and 763 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: this was pretty evident on the weekend as there were 764 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: many young females decked out in orange for his McLaren team. 765 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: The Guardian wrote a really great piece about the sports 766 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: new fan base and interviewed a number of female fans 767 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: who had become hooked on the show. 768 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: Now. 769 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: Many at the event were wearing T shirts with slogans 770 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: from the show, whilst others said that they were freaking 771 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: out to see the drivers in the flesh. Many of 772 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: the women also admitted that they don't know anything about 773 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: the cars, but enjoyed the politics behind the event and 774 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: said that they were fascinated by the whole new world 775 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 1: that they didn't even know. 776 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: Existed before the show. 777 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 5: Now. 778 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: This new female strong crowd was also evident in the 779 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: type of female influencers who attended the event, and on 780 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: the Australian Grand Prix's official Instagram page, they shared a 781 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: spotted section where they posted photos of the typical characters 782 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: that you'd expect to see at the event. The post 783 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: included male sports stars like Bailey Smith, t Nasi Cock 784 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: and Arkis, Josh Gibson, Scottie James, and other male celebs 785 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: like Chris Smith and Eric Banner. However, My News Speed 786 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: was taken up on the weekend by Melbourne's Who's Who 787 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: on the influencers scene, so the Shameless Girls were out 788 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: in force on the track as well as Taylor Demir, Sophie, 789 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: Kasha m Rusciano, Roxy Gizanko, Anna Macavoy, Tammy who was 790 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: known as White Wolf, and also Tarat Lexi and earlier 791 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: in the week influencers like Olivia Rodgers, Brook Blurton, Jesse Murphy, 792 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: Tully Smyth and Abby Holmes were all at the Glamour 793 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: on the Grid event. Does anyone think that this is 794 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: the new Melbourne Cup? Because the Melbourne Cup used to 795 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: be such a cool event to be seen at, and 796 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,240 Speaker 1: now I feel like the Grand Prix was the place 797 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: to be on the weekend. And previously there was a 798 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: lot of debate around it being quite a sexist event 799 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: with the grid girls, and as you said earlier, it 800 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: had a really blowkey vibe. But this Netflix series has 801 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: completely changed that and there is so much interest. As 802 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: you said, in the drivers, they're more like celebrities at 803 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: the moment, So I think that this event is only 804 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: going to get bigger and better as the years progress. 805 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 2: I totally agree. 806 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: I think that the whole nut to the Cup has 807 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: really killed off the Melbourne Cup, and it's also made 808 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: it a very problematic event in regards to obviously the 809 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: horses involved, and I will be interested. 810 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 2: To see if along the way. 811 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 1: Because cancel culture is rife at the moment, I wonder 812 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: whether some people in the long run will have an 813 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: issue with the effect that the cars have on the environment. 814 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: All suddenly the event is canceled in a sure way. 815 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure people will be able to find something wrong 816 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: with that, complain about it. Yeah, but at this moment 817 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: it seems very trendy to be seen at the Grand Prix. 818 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: This actually makes me want to watch this Netflix show. 819 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: It hasn't been one that I've seen, but I kind 820 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: of want to sit down and find out all about 821 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: the hype because to me, who hasn't seen it, it 822 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: just seems bizarre. Yeah, I mean I felt really left 823 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: out when I was watching my Instagram story and seeing 824 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: all of the people at the Grand Prix, and I 825 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: was thinking, am I missing something? Because in Adelaide we 826 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: had what was called the clips or five hundred, then 827 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: it was called the super Loop. Now it's got some 828 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: other name. I have no idea and no interest in. 829 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: And to me, the Clips of five hundred we went 830 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: there on a year twelve tourism trip. It was hell 831 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: on earth like. We actually left and got a detention 832 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: because we couldn't stand being there. So if I've got 833 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: to jump in, because I was talking about this with 834 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: a friend and they pointed out that F one and Supercars, 835 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: which is the clips all race you're talking about, you're 836 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: quite different, so they're not the same event. So let's 837 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: put that out. Car cars don't But how did the 838 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: cars differ. Have you not googled it because I don't know. 839 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: But the special special F one cars, okay F one 840 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: cars are faster than supercars in terms of lap time, 841 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, there's special cars, whereas I think 842 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: I think the clips was like Forden. Oh my god, 843 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: so many people are going to be yelling at the 844 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 1: podcast listening to this. 845 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 2: Actually I have a flashback. 846 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: I have a flashback when the Grand Prix used to 847 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: be in Adelaide before Melbourne stole, and part of our 848 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: class was that we all had to make our own 849 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: Ferrari or our own car that would race. Remember, and 850 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: so I think, again, you're over selling this. We literally 851 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 1: had to make a car out of a box that 852 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: you taped some string around it and ran around. Yih. 853 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: But there were some kid's parents who went to the 854 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: next level. I remember having some crappy old box and 855 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,439 Speaker 1: this kid had this full on designer car painted. Yeah, 856 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: but it was always the kids who just had the 857 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: simple box that didn't go to much effort. They were 858 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: the ones who always won the race because it was 859 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: too hard to run with all the fancy cars. I 860 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: do really feel for parents who have to basically create 861 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: their children's projects from scratch. Well, Sophie, I'm slightly concerned 862 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: for your future children if you ever have to make 863 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: them costumes for the Grand Prix, because you seem to 864 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: not be able to tell the difference between an F 865 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 1: one and a supercar. So I've got to do my homework. 866 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 1: I've got to watch this Netflix show. Well, I think 867 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: that's all we have time for today. Thank you so 868 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: much for joining us for today's episode. 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