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Speaker 1: to invest in their health and to I think it's

438
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: really easy to say, oh, i'll pay twenty dollars because

439
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to lose weight. But to see that people

440
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: were res resonating with that message and saying, you know,

441
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: I actually want to you know, feel better and it's

442
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: not about that number on the scale, it's not about

443
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: what I look like, it'sbout what I feel like. Was

444
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: was just incredible. So we worked with them for about

445
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: a year and then the way that we worked with

446
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: them was they had a big team. So Steph and

447
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: I work quite obviously a keeper. Cleaner is our baby,

448
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: and I think I think you resonate with this as well.

449
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: When you have, you know, your business, which is like

450
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: a baby, you don't you want to be kind of

451
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: in control of a lot of it. And I think

452
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: we had a vision for Kick to grow and become

453
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: bigger and help more people and also being an app,

454
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: and so to be able to do that, we decided

455
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: to go out on our own, which was a huge,

456
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: huge risk. It was hard, you know, because we've gone

457
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: from working with this big team to them thinking, you know,

458
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: we have to build our own team and you know,

459
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: how many people do we need and what do we

460
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: do and we kind of thought, you know, we've never

461
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: taken I think that was the first big risk we'd

462
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: ever taken in our working life together, and we thought,

463
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: you know what, let's we really believe in what we're doing,

464
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: so let's give it a go. And so we left

465
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: the company and we built an app.

466
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: We had a.

467
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: Really great app developers that we worked with, and we

468
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: were meant to launch the app the day that the

469
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: website program shut down, but obviously with tech there's always

470
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: difficulties and hurdles that you kind of can't see coming

471
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: and they pop up. So we ended up launching three

472
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: days later. And it was a really hard time because

473
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: because of obviously when you leave working with one company,

474
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: there's always legalities around it, as we would know very well,

475
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: and so we couldn't actually communicate to the community that

476
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: we were working on a new program.

477
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: So that was a really hard time because we've kind.

478
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: Of given them something that they were really loving and

479
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of them relied on, and then we were saying, oh,

480
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: we're taking it away. We knew that we were building

481
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: something new in the background, but we just couldn't tell them.

482
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: So that was hard, but you know, it was fine.

483
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 2: In the end. We launched and we were able to

484
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Speaker 2: bring on.

485
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: All of the old subscribers that we'd had, plus a

486
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: lot of new ones that were really excited about the app,

487
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: So that was just so exciting. And then from there

488
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: we grew our team. We've grown quite slowly, but it's

489
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: been really really exciting, And just recently about how long

490
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: ago now, four or five months ago, we decided to

491
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: bring our tech in house. So we used to work

492
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: with another company and we contracted it out to them,

493
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: and we thought it was time to you know, take

494
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: the leap to bring the teching in house. So we've

495
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: just been building out that team and that's been really

496
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: really exciting. But yeah, it's been a lot of it.

497
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: We're definitely not an overnight success. It's been a lot

498
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: of years in the making and we've grown quite steadily

499
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: and slowly, but yeah, we're so proud of kind of

500
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: where where we've been able to come to and the

501
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: amazing team that we have, you know, keep it clean

502
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: and started as something that you know, Seph and I

503
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: were doing one hundred percent of the work on, but

504
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: now the credit of the app and everything that it

505
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: is is our team. They're just absolutely fantastic and yet

506
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: it's awesome to work with.

507
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: Them, and it's so it's really incredible to see you

508
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: to build that team and you can really feel the progress,

509
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Like it's it's like, obviously you

510
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: guys are hugely successful and you can see that, but

511
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like an overnight success. I feel like

512
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: we've all been there with you guys as you progress,

513
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: as you know, keep taking steps, and people love that,

514
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: Like I love that you feel, you know, a part

515
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: of the community, and I think that's something you guys

516
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: do so well. Is your very community based And yeah,

517
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 3: you're always thinking about how I can serve my community,

518
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: what do they want, what do they want to see,

519
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: which has obviously, you know, been such a huge catalyst

520
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: for you guys. So you were chatting about your team

521
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: with Kick, Can you let us know, like, what does

522
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: the team look like now? How many people are working there?

523
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? So we are fourteen people now including Steph and myself,

524
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: which has been really really exciting. We've grown quite when

525
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I said we've grown, we have grown steadily, but with

526
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: the tech team that was quite a quick, a quick

527
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: hiring process compared to normal. But we've got fourteen people,

528
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: which we've got amazing and amazing marketing team and then

529
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: across you.

530
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: Know, events, pr.

531
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: Operations as well, and then we've also got our incredible

532
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: tech team, and then we work with and then obviously

533
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: finance as well.

534
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Which is really really really important.

535
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: So that's the team, and I think there's a few

536
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: more HighRes where we're making in the next few months

537
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of see where we're at. Which, yeah,

538
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: it's it is. I mean, as you would know with

539
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: having your own team, it's something that I think, I know,

540
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: keep it cleaner, you know, keep it cleaner. For Stephanites,

541
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: it's it's been I suppose our value system was built

542
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: off our own value system, so we know it so

543
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: well and we love it. But building a team is

544
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: something that's been really really challenging for us and also

545
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: been We've just learned so much and it is it

546
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: is hard. I don't think, you know, we haven't done

547
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: a course, you know, to work out. I don't know

548
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: if there even is one. I wish that was something

549
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: that you know, I did at university. But it has

550
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: been a really really big learning for us, and it's

551
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: been an amazing journey. And yeah, we're just so lucky.

552
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: To have them.

553
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 3: Oh amazing, And yeah, I love that you really kind

554
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: of compliment your team because I think sometimes, especially some

555
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: people on Instagram, you can see, you know, one or

556
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: two people doing this epic stuff for this bit, you know,

557
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: huge business and having all this success, and they don't

558
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: often credit that there's you know, fourteen people behind them.

559
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: So I absolutely love that you touch on that and

560
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: really credit your tanks. I think it's, you know, so

561
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: important and just very realistic too. So Laura, also, I

562
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: have to ask, and I guess you know, coming from

563
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: my side of things, I work with my brother. It

564
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: can be sometimes an interesting relationship. But because we are

565
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: blood and you know that there is so many positives,

566
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: of course, you know there's going to be some negatives,

567
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: but mostly positives. So I have to ask, what is

568
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: it like working with your best friend?

569
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I would Working with the

570
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: sibling would be awesome because I feel like you can

571
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: be a little bit harsher with them because you know

572
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: they'll love yes, But obviously with a friend you have

573
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: to be a little bit cautious. But Steph and I

574
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: think it's something that we get asked quite often, and

575
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that we always go back

576
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: to is just having that respect for each other. I

577
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: think that is how we've been able to work together

578
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: for so long. And also trusting and I mean you

579
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: feel it with your brother, it's really hard. That's something

580
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: that I've learned that one of my biggest learnings in

581
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: running the business over the past you know, five five

582
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: or so years, is that you can't trust that many people.

583
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: And I used to that you could trust everyone and

584
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: everyone had your best interest hard but that is that.

585
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Is absolutely not the case, not the case at all.

586
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: And so I think for step and I we do

587
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: feel like this this team where you know, no matter what,

588
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: we've got each other's back and we'll get through anything,

589
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: and we just respect each other so much and we

590
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: want the best for each other. I think a lot

591
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: of there are a lot of horror stories about friends

592
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: going to business together and not working out, and that

593
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: is such a normal thing to happen because you know

594
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: when I think, one thing also that's really important is

595
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: that we have the same goal for the business. I

596
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: think that's so important. I mean, if you went into

597
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: business with someone that their goal was just to you know,

598
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: make cash really quick and then get out, whereas you

599
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: have this long term vision, there's no way that's going

600
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: to work because you're not you're not on the same page.

601
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: So it's so important to be on the same page

602
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: with your goals. And yeah, Steph and I really are.

603
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: And I just think if you really deeply care and

604
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: love each other, which we do, Like we're not married,

605
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we sometimes I've been goodness make it

606
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: is like a marriage. I mean it's a work marriage,

607
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: but we just, yeah, we care about each other so

608
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: much that we put our I suppose we do.

609
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: We do put our friendship first.

610
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: And so having our friendship as our foundation has been

611
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: so paramount in growing the business together.

612
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so beautiful, like you can see how

613
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: genuine your relationship is, which is so bloody sweet. And

614
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: also I have to ask, so do you guys kind

615
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: of do similar things in the business or do you

616
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: kind of have separate things like for example, me and Cooper,

617
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: he is very much logistics, warehouse, product shipping, that sort

618
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: of side of things, where I'm more marketing, social media,

619
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: pr that sort of side of things. Do you guys

620
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: kind of split it or you're all over it together?

621
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

622
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: So I means as our team has grown, it's changed

623
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: a lot. We used to kind of be across everything,

624
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: and we do everything together, but obvious as you grow

625
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: it's not a very smart use of time. And then

626
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: also as we've kind of grown our team, we've had

627
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: people that could kind of the things we were doing together,

628
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: We've hired people that are better at it so that

629
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: now you know, now they do it. And so Steph

630
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: and my role in the business is very much as

631
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: co founders to lead our team and the hopefully you know,

632
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: I hope is what we do every day inspire them

633
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: and show up for them and kind of help them.

634
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: To see the vision that we can see with keep

635
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: it cleaner.

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: So that's kind of our I see out the most

637
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: important thing that we do.

638
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: But then we do work.

639
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Quite differently as on different things. So I'm across more

640
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: of the legal contract kind of side of the business,

641
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the financial side, not to say that Steph is in

642
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: across it. Steph is across everything. I think as a

643
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: business owner, you as much as you know, if you

644
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: don't like I do love the financial and legal side

645
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: of the business.

646
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: But I think.

647
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: It's you can't kind of steer away from not being

648
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: aware of it because it is so important. Steph's very

649
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: a wearable of that but I kind of do more

650
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: work on that and then and then operations, and then

651
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: Steph is very much a part of the content social

652
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: media community side of the business.

653
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: Obviously.

654
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Again, I'm really across across all the community.

655
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: Things that go on.

656
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm honestly it's the best part of what we do,

657
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: connecting with the community. But that is definitely Steph's Steph's

658
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: forte with content and creative So that's kind of how

659
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: we balance it and it works really well.

660
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: I love that. And yeah, like you said, like it's

661
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: really efficient because if you're both, you know, all over everything,

662
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: you're probably wasting a bit of time. So I think

663
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: that's really cool that you have different tasks you kind

664
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: of tackle. And yeah, very much like you said, like,

665
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: of course you're aware and you know what's happening, but

666
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: there's just like you let Steph take lead on certain things,

667
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: which would be super helpful, you know, for each of you,

668
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: because you know, you guys have this huge, huge business.

669
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: It would just be probably be exhausting being lead on everything.

670
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: So that's really lovely that how you guys split it up.

671
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it's been It's taken us a while

672
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: to do it. I think it, but it was It

673
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: is a hard discussion, kind of when you've never separated

674
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: your roles, sitting down and thinking, you know, how are

675
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: we going to separate this? But it is just made

676
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: and I think also for us it's more so the

677
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: main reason we did it was for the team because

678
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: it's also extremely inefficient because they have to get approval

679
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: off too. Obviously, a lot of our TeamWorks super autonomously,

680
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: so they don't always need need our approve on things,

681
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 1: but you know, if they have to have a meeting

682
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: and they have to wait for both of us to

683
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: be there on something that you know only one needs

684
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: to be there, and that's inefficient. So we've I think,

685
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: for the team and enabling them to work in the

686
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: best way they can.

687
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: I think that's that was really really important.

688
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: I love that. And so last question to finish off

689
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: our little converback kick and then get onto the next subject,

690
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: but what would you credit kick success to?

691
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: I love this question, and I I wrote some things

692
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: down because I was like, I really want to because

693
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: it's funny. I haven't ever really sat down and really

694
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: really thought about it. But I think for us it

695
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: would be perseverance and hard work, which I think is

696
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: just paramount. It's so important to the success of any business.

697
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: Timing is also timing into market is really important. I

698
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: think you can have the most amazing idea in the

699
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: world with all the funding, but if you don't enter

700
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: into the market at the right time, it might not work.

701
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: And so we were lucky when we well maybe not lucky,

702
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: because it was something that we took into consideration that

703
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: the timing of kind of what we were doing and

704
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: the fact that there wasn't really anything out there like

705
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do with Kick, that we entered

706
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: at the right time. Right now, the fitness industry, especially

707
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: with online fitness, is so so it it is so competitive,

708
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: and so I think it would be a lot harder

709
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: to enter now. So the timing was really really good

710
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: for us. And then I think as well, one of

711
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: the biggest things for us, and I think one of

712
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: the biggest reasons that we have been successful is because

713
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: we are so clear on who we are and what

714
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: we do and we don't steer from that. Obviously, as

715
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: a business, you always go through stage is where you

716
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: might try something a little bit to the left of

717
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: the right, but we always come back to, you know,

718
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: our true North and our core and our team and

719
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Sep and I are so clear on what that is,

720
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: and I think that's really important. It's you can't be

721
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: everything to everyone, and that's been a learning for us.

722
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: But it's if you kind of obviously, if you just

723
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: obviously it's really really important to be aware of what's

724
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: happening in the industry and what competitors are doing. But

725
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: if you're always following what competitors are doing, then you're

726
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: always a step behind. And so I see a lot

727
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: of businesses kind of changing their vision and their their

728
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: goals and what they're doing by what their competitors are doing,

729
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: and then they change it again and again. But with Kick,

730
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: with I think a lot of our successes because of

731
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: the fact that we've really stayed true to who we are,

732
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: which can be really hard when there's a lot of

733
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: things going on in the market. But yeah, I'm very

734
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: grateful that we've done that.

735
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that. Thank you for summing that up.

736
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: And also, I know I said that was the last

737
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: question about Kick, as I have to ask you guys,

738
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: what's next for Kick?

739
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: So we have got a new part of the app

740
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: launching in very very soon, which is very exciting. Yes,

741
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: that will be awesome, and then we're just continually I think,

742
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: what's the one of the biggest goals Stefan I have

743
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: with keeper kleaner Out and what our team as well

744
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: has as the goal is just making living a healthy

745
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: life as easy as possible for people and then just

746
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: giving you know, for the subscription, the most value in

747
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the app as possible.

748
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: And so we're always like.

749
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: Every single day we're working on proving the app, making

750
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: it better because we can always make it better, and

751
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: adding more value for our community because yeah, we just

752
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: want we want them to love it, and we just

753
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: we want.

754
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: To keep it fresh and exciting.

755
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we work on every day,

756
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: and I suppose we'll be hopefully we'll be doing that forever.

757
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: I love it, and I that's also something I love

758
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: about care because I really feel like you guys are

759
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: constantly up leveling, but like you said, still really so

760
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: clear on your values and the goal. So yeah, it's

761
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: an incredible to see. Thank you, of course, and so

762
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: I want to switch gears. As every podcaster.

763
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: Says, I've never actually said that.

764
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: I think I think I said that because I got

765
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: a review ones where it's literally like all she says is,

766
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 3: I am now I'm going to switch gears and chat

767
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: about something else.

768
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: Don't worry.

769
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Don't worry about those reviews. Some of the podcast reviews.

770
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I don't like podcast unless it's like

771
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: really constructive, I just don't listen, you know, I'll just

772
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: choose something else because it's not for me. I feel

773
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: like it's such a personal choice. And some of it, Yeah,

774
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: some of the reviews on podcasts are just like, just

775
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: turn it off. You don't need to write that, And it's.

776
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: I know, like, imagine imagine being that person where you

777
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 3: listen to something and it's not for you and you

778
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: go out of your way to leave something super negative

779
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 3: and nasty. Imagine having that person's mindset.

780
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: Though, well, lucky we don't, so you can keep saying

781
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: whatever you want switching gears and.

782
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: I might hear guys, So, guys, we're gonna switch gears.

783
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: I want to chat to you just quickly about studying

784
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 3: and working. So this is something I'm very familiar with,

785
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: and honestly props off to you. The fact that you

786
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: knew you weren't doing law. You had this full time

787
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: role at Kick and you're you know, you're absolutely killing

788
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: it in all aspects of your life, but you still

789
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: wanted to finish your law degree. Is just incredible and

790
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: I feel your pains. So can you tell us a

791
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: little bit just about, you know, what it was like

792
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: working and studying and kind of some tips on making

793
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: that as streamline as possible, because I'm sure, yeah, it

794
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: was very difficult, much as I know.

795
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean for me getting through like what was my

796
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: worst subject or admin law or constitutional law, like in

797
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: those moments constitutional law, I was never good at it,

798
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: and I just, yeah, that was that was hard. That

799
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: there were really really great moments in my life. But anyway,

800
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: I think it was one of those things that and

801
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: I feel like studying law you kind of have to

802
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: be more of a well, you have to be very

803
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: disciplined because there's so much reading and there's so much commitment.

804
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: I find that obviously in high school, and I mean

805
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: you still have and you need the people that don't study,

806
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: they don't even have to.

807
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: Read anything and they just do really well.

808
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: There's always those people, but I was never one.

809
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: Of those people.

810
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I had to work really hard to understand a principle

811
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: and then once I understood it. I had to practice

812
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: my understanding and really really work to pass. You know,

813
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: if I didn't do the work, I knew I wasn't

814
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: going to pass my degree, and so I've always known

815
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: that about myself. I know also that when I do

816
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: work harder, I can succeed in things, and I can

817
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: get them done and I can learn them. So I

818
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: kind of always remember that. And then I think I

819
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: just was so clear on my goal and I wanted

820
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: to finish my degree, and while I wasn't, I think

821
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: was a really good one as well to do while

822
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, obviously maybe not recommending it while you're running

823
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: a business because it is very time consuming, but it

824
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: is a degree that not a lot of people actually

825
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: become a lawyer from. So obviously there are a lot

826
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: of people that study law degree and then become a lawyer,

827
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: but there's so many other uses for a law degree.

828
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: It really helped to I mean, if you can get

829
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: through a three and a half hour contract exam, I

830
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: feel like you could do anything because you just you know,

831
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: you have to problem solve on the spot, and that

832
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: thinking and that thinking under pressure and working through things

833
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: analytically the way that I suppose you're taught to think

834
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: in law school.

835
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 2: That has helped me so much in my work.

836
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: So I think the longer that I did it, the

837
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: more that I started being able to apply what I

838
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: was doing and really enjoying what I was learning to

839
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: my working life. I think if my degree had no

840
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: correlation at all with what I was doing at work,

841
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I would have really struggled to finish it. But because

842
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: I found it was really complementing it. And while I

843
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: won't be a lawyer as such, you know, never say never,

844
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: but I don't think at this stage I will.

845
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: Be, but it did.

846
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: It just helped me so much with throwing the business,

847
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: and obviously as a business owner there's so much There's

848
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: so many legalities that you have to enforce and then

849
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: put in, and so many contracts you have to read.

850
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: So that's what really kept me going, knowing that I

851
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: was learning, and I really do believe that knowledge is invaluable,

852
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: and you never you know, if you do a degree

853
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: for a year and you don't like what you're doing

854
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: and you want to change to another degree, I do

855
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: not believe at all that you've wasted time. I started

856
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: as a law art student and then I transferred into

857
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: law business. But I don't see my art's learnings as

858
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: a waste. You know, knowledge is power and it is

859
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: so I've kind of always always, always thought of that.

860
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: And then I think, as well, it's just about time management.

861
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: And there's a quote from Jackie Frank and she says,

862
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: you can't You can have it all, but not all

863
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: at once, and that is such an important thing to remember.

864
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: I think, you know, by taking on you know, obviously

865
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: with Kik it's a full time job and a law degree,

866
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: a law degree. I didn't do it full time. I

867
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: did it part time, but you know, there are hours

868
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: that I had to do outside of work hours and

869
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: on the weekend. But that was a sacrifice that I

870
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: because I was so clear on wanting to finish and

871
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: I had, you know, even though it took me a

872
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: long time, I kind of knew like, I'm going to

873
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Speaker 1: finish him this year and I've got this goal, and

874
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: I was so clear on working towards it and why

875
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do it. I was able to make

876
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: those sacrifices and be disciplined with my studies because you

877
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: just have to. And so I kind of sacrificed my

878
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: social life a lot which was obviously you know as

879
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: a and I think as a business owner, you know,

880
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: this is something that we do as well. You do often,

881
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Speaker 1: you know, I have to miss a friend's birthday or

882
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Speaker 1: you know, miss a family thing because and that all

883
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: your friends are at and it is hard because you

884
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Speaker 1: feel like you're letting people down, but sometimes you do

885
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Speaker 1: have to make those sacrifices. And so I was kind

886
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: of and I wouldn't have been able to make them

887
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Speaker 1: unless I was clear on kind of knowing that I

888
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Speaker 1: really want to finish this and I really really want

889
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Speaker 1: to get through. And then I think, as well, I

890
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Speaker 1: think because I was so busy, I'm someone that the

891
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Speaker 1: busier I am, the more organized I am.

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Speaker 2: So when I have a whole day or two days

893
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Speaker 2: in a road to study and I haven't.

894
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: Planned my time out, I will literally get thirty minutes

895
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: of productive study done over two days. Like I'll go

896
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Speaker 1: on Instagram and like, go on, make a snack, and

897
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Speaker 1: then I'll make another snack, and then I'll cook something

898
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: like you just I just get so I.

899
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Speaker 2: Can be so unproductive at home.

900
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Speaker 1: So what I've found really really helps is setting out

901
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Speaker 1: my day in time blocks, like I do on a workday,

902
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: you know, I've got things that I have to get through.

903
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: I do that on my satdy days as well, because

904
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Speaker 1: I think we've just got so many distractions with our

905
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Speaker 1: phones and it's okay to go on them. I set

906
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Speaker 1: myself Sometimes I might do a fifty minute stady block

907
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: and then I'll have ten minutes break to go on

908
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Instagram if I want to, you know, have an endless scroll,

909
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: go and get a cup of tea or something, and

910
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Speaker 1: then I'll know that. You know, once that clock h

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Speaker 1: hits back to the new hour, so if it's twelve

912
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Speaker 1: to twelve fifty and then I'll do take ten minutes,

913
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Speaker 1: and then at one o'clock I will go back into

914
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Speaker 1: studying and start a new block. I think that really

915
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Speaker 1: helps being efficient because it's so easy to say, oh,

916
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Speaker 1: I studied all day, but you know, if it's not productive,

917
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Speaker 1: then it's not a good not a good use of time,

918
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Speaker 1: And especially if you're balancing, and a lot of UNI

919
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Speaker 1: students work like it's kind of hard to get through

920
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Speaker 1: if you're not working while you're at UNI. So you

921
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Speaker 1: have to you have to balance your time, and it's

922
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Speaker 1: just so important to work out, you know, what study

923
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Speaker 1: methods work for you because everyone is so different, and

924
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Speaker 1: then manage your time well because otherwise, and I'm sure

925
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Speaker 1: you'll relate to this, like when you usual your degree,

926
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Speaker 1: like especially with law, like sometimes the time just gets

927
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928
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929
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Speaker 3: I totally feel you. And something I absolutely love that

930
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Speaker 3: you touched on, Laura, which is something I really talk

931
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Speaker 3: about when I chat about my law degree. Is I

932
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934
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935
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936
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Speaker 3: who hired out all the books. But it's because I

938
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939
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940
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Speaker 3: knew how much effort I had to put in and

941
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Speaker 3: how much time, so I got it done. And I

942
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Speaker 3: love that you speak about that because I think sometimes

943
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Speaker 3: people think people who you know, do degrees all that

944
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945
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946
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Speaker 3: it's like I knew I could get it done. I

947
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948
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949
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951
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Speaker 3: percent I resonate with you and I just love everything

952
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Speaker 3: you say, Like I literally have no other questions because

953
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Speaker 3: you just summed up.

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Speaker 1: Maybe because I read your questions and that were so good, and.

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Speaker 3: Laura said she loved my question.

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Speaker 2: I loved it. That's so good.

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Speaker 3: But again, I want to switch gears.

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Speaker 2: Let's go, let's switch them, let's go.

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00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 3: So I want to touch on this COVID madness and

993
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 3: postponing your wedding. So, oh my god, my heart literally

994
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 3: just goes out for you, because, like I remember planning

995
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Speaker 3: my wedding and it being I remember at the same

996
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: time I was doing my PLT did you do It?

997
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: And I was working full time and I was doing

998
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: social media full time, and it was like one of

999
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: the most stressful things of my life. And so I

1000
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: very much could not imagine then the stress of COVID

1001
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: and having to replan things on top of that. So,

1002
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: oh my god, I just yeah, I can't even But

1003
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: so have you had to reschedule three times?

1004
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: It's actually four now, it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.

1005
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: The first though, the first one in COVID's defense, the

1006
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: first one was canceled. It was our first set was

1007
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: the eighth of March last year, so you actually could

1008
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: have had a wedding then it was the weekend before

1009
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I think all everything went down and kind of kind

1010
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: of the world changed, but we postponed it because we

1011
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: were so disorganized that we had not done anything. Unfortunately,

1012
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: in my relationship with Dalton, my partner, he's fantastic.

1013
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 2: He's also super busy with work.

1014
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: Like I am, and we we're both really organized with work,

1015
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: but personal organization, we are missing the brain cell that

1016
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: you know helps you with that.

1017
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 2: We just like, honestly, I.

1018
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: Can get everything in my work life done in a day,

1019
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: but if I know I have to take something to

1020
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: the dry cleaning or whatever, it's gonna say my car.

1021
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: For two years until the same is so like, I

1022
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: literally product.

1023
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: I so much, Laura, And it's like it's funny though,

1024
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: because my husband's the opposite. So honestly, he keeps our

1025
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 3: personal life together and I'm the business, you know person.

1026
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: So you need and then till I'm like, Dalton, why

1027
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: don't you have that? You know that that personal organization thing,

1028
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: and then he says it to me. But I think

1029
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: for us, that's why with our our wedding having to

1030
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: so the first time was postponed for COVID and then

1031
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: sorry not because of COVID. The second time it was

1032
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: in December, but our wedding venue wasn't finished being built

1033
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: because of delays with COVID, So then that was postponed,

1034
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: and then after that was the.

1035
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: When was it we want to have it? Oh, this

1036
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: was the hard one. The hard one was our.

1037
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: Feb date because we had to cancel that or postpone

1038
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: it a month sorry, a week before it was when

1039
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Melbourne went into the lockdown.

1040
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: The five Days lockdown.

1041
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: It was at that time, and I just remember every

1042
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: day it was just I mean, it is what it is,

1043
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: and I have to say like it was. I was

1044
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: really careful about how I spoke about it online because

1045
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to be very aware of the fact that

1046
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I am very aware of the fact that, you know,

1047
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 1: postponing a wedding is such really compared to what others

1048
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: have been through, is not bad at all.

1049
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 2: It's just a wedding. It's not a big deal.

1050
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: But I did, you know, I think everything's relative though,

1051
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: so then it was also important to make sure that,

1052
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, Donson and I had time to kind of

1053
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: be upset about it, and because.

1054
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: Relative, yeah, I don't think yeah yeah.

1055
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: But I think yeah.

1056
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: We're just really careful with like, you know, making sure

1057
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: that we were super aware that it was not the

1058
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: worst thing that could happen, but it was very sad

1059
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: because I think we were just so close and like

1060
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: everything was organized and I was like, oh my goodness,

1061
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,959
Speaker 1: we've come this far with our personal organization.

1062
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: But we have postponedif again to the end of the year.

1063
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: But we have also I think if it doesn't go

1064
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: ahead this time, then I think we will hope because

1065
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: I think anyway, it's just I just I feel like

1066
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as fifth time lucky, Like that's

1067
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: just that is just like, no, you're not meant to

1068
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: have a wedding, you.

1069
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: Know, the universe is telling you that you're not going

1070
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: to have a wedding. So anyway, but we'll see.

1071
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: We are planning, you know, for the end of the year,

1072
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: and it'll be awesome and exciting and I can't wait

1073
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: for that. It's nice to have something to look forward to.

1074
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: And also Steph won't be pregnant, so she'd be able

1075
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: to have a champagne with me, so that that's another

1076
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: that's another positive. But yeah, planning a wedding in COVID

1077
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: and anyone listening that's been through it or is doing

1078
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: it is really hard because I mean in Melbourne especially,

1079
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: I kind of actually across all of Australia. As you know,

1080
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: as soon as there's a new case, which you never

1081
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: know when that's going to happen, and it can happen

1082
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: at any time. You borders can be locked down and

1083
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: restrictions can be put in place, like from afternoon so

1084
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: literally until the night before your wedding. Really you don't

1085
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: know if what it's going to be like, so yeah,

1086
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Speaker 1: it is. It is the hardest time I think to

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Speaker 1: plind a wedding, No.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, And I think the way that you

1089
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: guys have handled it and just being you know, the

1090
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: bigger people and just gone, look, this is not the

1091
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: worst thing. But instaying that, I very much agree that

1092
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 3: it's still such a huge thing for you guys to

1093
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: go through and you still need to like validate your

1094
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: feelings and I could just imagine it being a bit

1095
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: of a roller coaster, but it's yet it's so good

1096
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: to hear you being so positive about it and just

1097
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: fingers crossed for the end of the.

1098
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Year, fingers crossed, everything crossed.

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: Literally. So lastly, I just want to chat about confidence

1100
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: and mindset with you, Laura, because you really seem like

1101
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: someone who completely has their head screwed on and Like

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00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: I said, I followed you for a very long time,

1103
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 3: and I remember when I followed you, even back when

1104
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 3: you were kind of just a model, not just a model.

1105
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't mean to say that.

1106
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: Oh no, I get it. I was modeling, Yes, I

1107
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: wasn't anything.

1108
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And then you know you've progressed with kick,

1109
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: And I think a huge thing that is really amazing

1110
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: to see is you can really see of course your

1111
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: values and what we were talking about, but also your mindset.

1112
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 3: So I would love for you to chat about, you know,

1113
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: if your mindset has always been this way, is it

1114
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: something you work on? You know, how do you prioritize,

1115
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: you know, your mental health, not just your physical health,

1116
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 3: and really what that looks like for you, because personally,

1117
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: I just think it's so important.

1118
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 2: Got that's really kind, Thank you so much.

1119
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: And I also I just want to say as well,

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: what I've learned over the years, well what I think

1121
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: I've learned anyway, is that no one really knows one

1122
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: hundred percent, and no one's really one hundred percent every

1123
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: single day, and even me speaking for myself, like I

1124
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: don't even one hundred percent know who I am. Like,

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00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: I think you can get to a point where you

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00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: feel really confident in who you are, are confident enough.

1127
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: But I think I just want to make sure that

1128
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: because I think we all struggle in our heads with

1129
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: things like you know, imposter syndrome and not feeling like

1130
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: we're good enough to be doing what we're doing, or

1131
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: not feeling like we're smart enough, or not feeling like

1132
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: we're worthy enough of you know, what our dreams are.

1133
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: But I just want anyone to know.

1134
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: I would hate for someone to look at what I

1135
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: do and think, oh, I could never do you know

1136
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: what she does, because you can. And it's so important

1137
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: to believe in yourself. And that's something that I've really

1138
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: learned with mindset. You know, the only person who and

1139
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: we can. It's really hard with all of the noise

1140
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: from social media and comparison, and then you know, if

1141
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: we don't have good people.

1142
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: Around us, it makes it really hard.

1143
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: But the person who is in control of, you know,

1144
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: our own self belief and what we can do is ourselves.

1145
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: I always use an example of you.

1146
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: Know, if you go into a job interview and and

1147
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: you don't believe you're good enough to get the job,

1148
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: how on and you kind of put that forward when

1149
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: in your interview. How is the person hiring you going

1150
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: to believe that you're good enough to do it? I

1151
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: think we all doubt ourselves sometimes, but you just have

1152
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: to fake it sometimes.

1153
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: And you know, pretend that you're not actually you know,

1154
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: dying inside and you're and you're so nervous and you

1155
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: don't believe that you can do it. You just have

1156
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: to keep you know.

1157
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: It's something that sometimes I literally just have to repeat

1158
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: inside my head, like I can do this, I'm good

1159
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: enough to do this. I believe in myself and I

1160
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: do that all the time in so many circumstances, and

1161
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: so that has has, I think been quite helpful for

1162
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: me with my confidence. But confidence is such a journey.

1163
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: It's not you know again that it's such an Instagram

1164
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: quote that confidence is not Actually it's happiness, isn't it

1165
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: They say on Instagram?

1166
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: Happiness is not a destination. It is a journey.

1167
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: But I mean it's so true as much as it's coming, yeah,

1168
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And I think, you know, I have

1169
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: days where I wake up and I feel like, yes,

1170
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: like you know, I know what I'm doing. And then

1171
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: I have days and I wake up I'm like, oh

1172
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: my god, I just want to go back to sleep,

1173
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: like I don't know, Like I just want to say

1174
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: bed all day because I can't. You know, I don't

1175
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: want to face the day because I don't think that

1176
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: I know how to face the day. And we all

1177
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: have those ups and downs, and so it's so important

1178
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: to remember that that's normal, that makes us human. I

1179
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: don't think anyone, if anyone is confident one hundred percent

1180
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: of the time, like.

1181
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: Hit us up because I would love to.

1182
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: Know how you do it, because I you know, it's hard,

1183
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: but it does.

1184
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: Come from within.

1185
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: And then also it's really important and I think a

1186
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: lot of us well, I did personally learn a lot

1187
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: about myself in IO. Obviously I live in Melbourne, and

1188
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: we were in lockdown for quite a long time and

1189
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: there was a lot of in the second lockdown, which

1190
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: was a really long one, we didn't know when we're

1191
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: going to come out of it, and so I found

1192
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: that I really lost hope because there was no hope

1193
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: because it was kind of like, oh, you'll be out

1194
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: of it in and I totally understood why we had

1195
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: to be in it, and you know, it enabled us

1196
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: to now live. We are now living a COVID normal,

1197
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: which is awesome, but at the time it was really hard,

1198
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of just not knowing when it was going to end.

1199
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Speaker 1: And I kind of learned I've had down days in

1200
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: last year that were darker than you know, I've ever

1201
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: experienced in my whole life, and so I really had

1202
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: to learn how to pull myself out of that, which

1203
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: I sometimes couldn't, but I did try and really focus

1204
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: on identifying things that I can do that make me

1205
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: feel better and like, feel more like me and feel

1206
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: more motivated. And it was things like, you know, going

1207
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: for a walk and listening to a podcast with content

1208
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, like your podcast that is inspiring and I

1209
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: can relate to like little things like that. They I

1210
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: would write them down when I would do them, or

1211
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: going for a run or doing a kick workout, and

1212
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: after I did them and I felt good, I would

1213
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: then remember that and go back to that when I

1214
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: was feeling really down, because I think we all have

1215
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: those times, but you just need to have, like I suppose,

1216
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: a toolkit of things that you know you can go

1217
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: to when you are feeling that way, because I think.

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: The fact that we have self doubt, that's just that's

1219
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: what being a human is like.

1220
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: We all have it. You just need to kind of

1221
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: work out ways to not let it control you and

1222
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: what you do, because I mean I always say that,

1223
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, with keep It Cleaner, being naive honestly for

1224
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: the first year of what we were doing was our superpower,

1225
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: because I think if we knew what the you know,

1226
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 1: running a business was really like and how much work

1227
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: there was and how much you know, you had to learn,

1228
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: then maybe we would never have done it because we

1229
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that we were good enough to do

1230
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: it or we were you know, worthy enough to do it.

1231
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: But we didn't let that hold us back. And so

1232
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: I think it is it is so important. And then

1233
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: also to really think of, you know, if you want

1234
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: to try something new or jump out of your comfort zone,

1235
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing that can happen? And you know,

1236
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: talk about with a friend or you know, a partner

1237
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: or even just with yourself, the worst thing that can happen,

1238
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: and often it's not that bad. And this is really

1239
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: really important to remind ourselves of that. I think we

1240
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: often we are held back from fear, but we don't

1241
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: even face what that fear is, and it means that

1242
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: we aren't able to achieve or through the things in

1243
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: life that we should be able to.

1244
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know if that answered your question,

1245
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: but that's what I've got. No.

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01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 3: No, oh my god. I literally as you were talking,

1247
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 3: I was texting my podcast manager and I was like

1248
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 3: telling other time, I'm like pull this for the intro

1249
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: because it was so good. No, that was like, I'm

1250
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 3: all about pep talks here on rising and that was

1251
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: such a good pep talk. And can I just first

1252
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 3: say what you said about the belief that you need

1253
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 3: to have in yourself is just so on point, and

1254
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: I really respect what you said about like you're not special.

1255
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: It's like I think sometimes especially with you know, influencers

1256
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 3: or business owners, other people can put you on a

1257
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: pedestal and really kind of look up to you and

1258
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: see you as something different to them and like something

1259
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: that is unattainable. But like you said, it's like you're

1260
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: not any different. And you know, you've had the doubts

1261
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 3: and you've had you know, the hurdles and everything happened,

1262
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 3: but you've kept going and you've really worked on everything,

1263
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 3: and you've worked on your mindset, and I think that's

1264
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: just like such a huge light bulb moment because it

1265
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: is so true. Like what I try and flip my

1266
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 3: mindset is like when I see incredible people doing credible things,

1267
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: instead of being like, oh my god, it's so you know,

1268
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: huge and big, I will never do anything like that,

1269
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: I try and switch it to if they can do it,

1270
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: I can do it too.

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: I love that. That's yeah. I think that that's so awesome.

1272
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: And I think as well with that, it's so important,

1273
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: especially as women. I've found I think it's actually all

1274
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: all over Australia. There's a lot of tall poppy syndrome

1275
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of that's Steph and I have come across, and

1276
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: it's just so important to remember that, you know, there

1277
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: are so many opportunities for women, and just because one

1278
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: person is, you know, being successful in one thing, it

1279
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't be as well. I don't

1280
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: know why our brains are like automatically programmed to think

1281
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: that if one person is successful, that they've taken something

1282
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: from us, but you know, that's not the case at all.

1283
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I absolutely love that. I was literally

1284
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: having a convo with a girlfriend about that the other day,

1285
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: and you know, without delving into it too much, it

1286
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: was kind of like that lack of mentality where if

1287
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: someone's already done something, I can't do it. But it's

1288
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: like no, because you can always reinvent the wheel, you

1289
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: can always do it differently. And I guarantee you like

1290
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: just being yourself, you will attract your people who maybe

1291
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: aren't necessarily like those people, that person's people, if that

1292
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: makes sense. So ah, I absolutely love that, Laura. You

1293
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 3: were such a gem, a light, like an amazing human.

1294
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 3: I'm even more obsessed with you now.

1295
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: It was so sweet.

1296
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: It was so so nice to talk to you. Thank Yeah,

1297
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me on so so so much.

1298
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: You built such an incredible community and business and yeah,

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Speaker 1: you should be so proud.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. And I just know how

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Speaker 3: much the RNC fam are going to love this chat

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Speaker 3: so can't wait for it to go live. But thank

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Speaker 3: you so much, Laura. Can you let everyone know where

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Speaker 3: they can find you, where they can find kick and

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Speaker 3: you know, pimp yourself out.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can find me on Instagram at Laura dot

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Speaker 1: Henshaw and keep It Cleaner is at Keep It Cleaner

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Speaker 1: And then if you want to hear and find out

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Speaker 1: any more about our program. We have a website www.

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Speaker 1: Dot Keep It Cleaner dot com with our free seven

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Speaker 1: day trial on there if you want to give.

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Speaker 3: It a cop amazing. Thank you so much. Laura definitely

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Speaker 3: would love to have you back on the pod. But

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Speaker 3: for now, Yeah, that was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and you have to come on the kickpod

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Speaker 2: so we can talk then.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we could definitely talk for days. No,

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Speaker 3: I would love that. Thank you for listening for another

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Speaker 3: RNC episode. I really appreciate taking the time to be

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Speaker 3: here with me, and also for taking the time for yourself.

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Speaker 3: If you found this episode helpful, it would be so

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Speaker 3: amazing if you shared it on your stories and tagged us,

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Speaker 3: or simply just send it on to a girlfriend or

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Speaker 3: family member who would benefit from listening. We are an

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Speaker 3: independent podcast run by me and my amazing podcast manager,

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Speaker 3: so it would mean the world to us if you

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Speaker 3: left a review on the Apple podcast app. Also, if

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Speaker 3: you're vibing this podcast and the concepts we're chatting about

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Speaker 3: and your craving community, please come and join us over

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Speaker 3: at the RNC podcast community Facebook group. Just search Rise

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Speaker 3: and Conquer Podcast community on Facebook and I will be

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Speaker 3: in there to chat to you until next time