1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Please welcome your gorgeous host, me Art Simone. But I 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: know you're not just tear for me. You're wanting to 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: meet someone with a drabic steria who is concealing some sparkle. 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: What's that sparkling? 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh love, I'm a magpie and I'll uncover that special sparkling, 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: shiny thing in everyone. This is concealed with Art Simone. 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: Let's meet our guest Rowl the time. 8 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: Hi. My name is Robert. 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 4: I'm from the US and I work at Arizona State University. 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 4: I am forty two years old and outside of work, 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: I enjoy sourdough, baking, bicycling, and doing the daily crossword 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: puzzle of the New York Times. I am concealing something 13 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 4: that I have researched extensively. 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Oh all right, hello, Robert, We've gone international today, all 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the way from Arizona. 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Do you know, Robert, I'm going to make this about 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: me for a moment, even though I know it's all 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: about you. But guess what time I hate to get 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: up this morning just to make sure I looked glamorous 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: for you on this zoom call four in the morning, 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: two thirty am. Baby, goodness. No, I should have just 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: stayed up from last night. I could have gone straight 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: from the gig. But no, I've done a fresh face 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: for you. But enough about me, because we are international. Hello, Hello, Hello, Robert. 26 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: Now we're in Arizona. What's the weather like in Arizona 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: at the moment. 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: It's currently forty five degrees celsius? 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: What celsius? 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: Yes, oh, it is incredibly warm. 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: We're in the depth of our summer, and anything I 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: can do to take my mind off of it, including 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: being on this show, is a welcome. A welcome rest 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: from forty five degrees Jesus. 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't even think it gets that hot here. Very often, 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, says are you in the desert? Is the 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Arizona or a desert? Have a desert, don't they? I'm 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: very international. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 4: Yes, we are square in the middle of the Sonoma 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 4: Desert or the Sedona Desert, Sonoran desert. 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: My goodness. 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: You could say cinnamon desert and I'd say, yes, that's correct. 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: I love it absolutely, Yes, from the middle of a desert. 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 4: And it's always hot and dry. And that's about the 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: long and the short of it. 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Well, I'm sending my condolences. It was nine 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: degrees when I walked in the building this morning, so 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: I'll send some of my coolness all the way from 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,279 Speaker 1: Melbourne to Arizona. So you we're Arizona State University. You said, wow, 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: that's right, that's very fancy. I don't know anything about university. 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: I went for a year, but it wasn't really for me. 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: So anyway, what I'm going to do is ask you 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: three questions, and from the answers to those three questions, 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: I have to work out what it is you are 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: concealing from me today, because I have no clue from 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: the sour dough, bicycling and forty five degree desert that's 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: given me nothing so far. So let's see if these 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: questions can help me out. So first question I have 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: for you, Robert, is what's a habit You never would 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: let yourself get into. 61 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 4: A habit that I would never let myself get into. 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: Would be hoarding. 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh, oh okay, hoarding. Oh that's that's not I don't 64 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: know if we can be friends anymore. 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: Robert. I'm a drag queen. 66 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: I have to hoard absolutely everything that's ever existed in 67 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: my life because I might needed again. 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: Well, look, there's there's tasteful procurement, and then there's hoarding. 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to write that one down for later. Thank you. Actually, 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: tasteful procure movement. I do have to meet. 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: There isn't much happening behind you on your screen at 72 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: the moment. It's very bare. You should see my setup 73 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: at home. Oh my lord, there's three thousand Chucky dolls. 74 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: There's some books, there's there's a Rupe Paul doll. There, 75 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: there is just shelves. It's so distracting whenever anyone zooms 76 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: into my office. So no hoarding for you, got it, 77 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: all right? Question number two, what's something you've been watching 78 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: recently that you recommend? 79 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: I should too. 80 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: I think if I could recommend one thing for you 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 4: to watch, it would be the show The Last of Us. 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, The Last of Us. I have 83 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: seen it. I have seen it. I'm up to date. Gosh, 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: don't want to give any spoilers. The people still haven't 85 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: seen it. But Jesus, that was it the first episode 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: or the second, I don't know. It was just too much, 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: too much. 88 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: It's a lot to take in, and they don't they 89 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: go right at it. It's amazing. 90 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: I cracked it. I cracked it. I literally yelled at 91 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: my house mate. He made me watch it, and he's 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: played the game, so he knew what was coming, and 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: I said. 94 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: What is over? 95 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to watch this anymore. I don't want 96 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: to watch this at all. I don't want to follow 97 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: that character for the rest of this. I'm not interested 98 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: in them. I came here for one thing, and one 99 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: thing only Neil interest Sharon. So look it's a bit 100 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: too much for me, all right, Last of Us? So 101 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: Last of Us is a video game. It also has 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: lots of fungus. Okay, so do I? 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: Okay? 104 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: Christ Number three The final one to try and pieces 105 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: together is if I gave you a plane ticket to 106 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, where would you go. 107 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 4: I would take a trip to New Zealand and for 108 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 4: a few reasons, Okay, I want to see what all 109 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 4: those American billionaires are up to there. You know, they're 110 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 4: buying citizenship, you know, and all that kind of stuff. 111 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: But also that's where the Shire is, and I'd like 112 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: to visit that. And you know, as a geography geek, 113 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 4: it's like the one place that has like all seven 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 4: climates just in one tiny little package. 115 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: So you can see everything when you're in New Zealand. 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I tell you what a little side note. 117 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: When I filmed a little TV show in New Zealand, 118 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: very traumatic experience. But I was eliminated in this TV 119 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: show and I was stuck in the country because the 120 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: border bubble had closed between Australia and New Zealand. I 121 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: couldn't leave, and I was like miserable. I was crying, 122 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: I was screaming, and I said, I just want to 123 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: go to the Shire. That's all I want to do. 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,119 Speaker 1: I just want to go to the Shier. I didn't 125 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: make it to the Shire because they put me back 126 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: on the TV show, so I still haven't seen it. 127 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: So I have some unfinished business. 128 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: But okay, New Zealand Billionaires, the Shire, Last of Us 129 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: Fungus video game, hoarding, no hoarding, no taste will procurement, 130 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: but no hoarding. 131 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: Jeez. 132 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: I guess I'll come around to like obviously film and television. 133 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: But then Hoarding Hoarders is a TV show, okay. And 134 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: then New Zealand Billionaires. Climates, Oh climates, okay, climates and fungus. 135 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: That's like stuff, Oh fungus climates. You could be studying 136 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: fungus professional shroom person, It's come to me, all right, 137 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: are you a professional shroom enthusiast? 138 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: I am not, but I really wish I were. Now. 139 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: I am a professor at Arizona State University and I 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: researched doomsday preppers. I've co authored a book called Be 141 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: Prepared with my colleague Emily Ray at Sonoma State University. 142 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: Oh what okay? So what do you mean you researched them? 143 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: Go into it? What? 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: Sure? 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: So specifically, I've been looking at prepping movements in the 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: United States about people who are getting ready for the 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 4: end of the world for various religious, social, or ecological reasons, 148 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: and along with my co author, we wrote a book 149 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: arguing that prepping is not a sort of strange behavior 150 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: from fringe elements, but rather it's a mainstream activity that 151 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: a lot of people engage in. 152 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: And so we're working on. 153 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: This project and we are actually expanding international. So we're 154 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: also studying bunker and prepping movements in the UK and 155 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: Australia as well. 156 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you're researching doomsday preppers. Where did this 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: all start? When did you go? 158 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: You know what? These people are interesting and I want 159 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: to know more about them. 160 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was way back in twenty eighteen. Emily sent 161 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: me a little article about a Silicon Valley startup called Preppy, 162 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: and of course it's misspelled pr Eppi, because that's how 163 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 4: Silicon Valley does things right. And it was a startup 164 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: company that sold bug out bags to sort of aspiring, 165 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 4: upper middle class on the go professionals, and their whole 166 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: sort of like approach was that this is a bug 167 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 4: out bag that you can be proud to display in 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: your living room and then you don't have to hide 169 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: away and be kind of ashamed of your prepping behavior. 170 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: And so we. 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: Thought that's something's going on here because you would have 172 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: assumed when you think about doomsday preppers think about like 173 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: cable television shows or something where there's extreme people, but 174 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: like this is being targeted to like middle class Americans, 175 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 4: and so it's an interesting, sort of in many ways 176 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 4: typical Silicon Valley story. You know, you open the Preppy 177 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: bag and there's like there's some food, but it's like 178 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: a very posh eighty five percent cacao chocolate bar from 179 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: Dubai or whatever, you know, and there's a chunk of 180 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 4: gold and very fancy lotions and comestibles in there. So 181 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: that's how we got started. And then we, as one 182 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: does when you get started on this kind of thing, 183 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 4: we started. 184 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: Seeing it all over the place, all over the country. 185 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: There are people who are getting ready for things to 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: kind of fall apart for religious, social, cultural, ecological reasons, 187 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: and so they're getting ready for that to happen. Everybody's 188 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 4: kind of doing it, that's our argument. Everybody's kind of 189 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 4: doing it. The question is when does it get weird? 190 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: Yes, so you were saying that there's this more lux 191 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: concept of it as well. But what I've kind of 192 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: been exposed to over the e is, like you said, 193 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: like the cable TV shows where it seems like they're 194 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: really far outskirt widows that are doing this strange thing 195 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: prepping for no raisin. But is there a whole other 196 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: community of established people that are prepping and getting ready 197 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: for whatever it may be. 198 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are, and they're all over the place. And 199 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: I'll just give you a few examples that we found 200 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: in the US. Right. 201 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: So, and again we think about this in terms of 202 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 4: economic class mostly, and so we look at like prepping 203 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: at different price points, if that makes sense. So there 204 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: are there are folks who have basically built time shares 205 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: for doomsday, right, Like you pay a little fee and 206 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 4: there's a compound kind of waiting for you. What I 207 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 4: love about this example is as like a time share, Right, 208 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 4: It's like, well, how does that make sense in terms 209 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 4: of you know, It's like people don't think this through 210 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 4: maybe right, We found companies and real estate agents who 211 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: have purchased decommission nuclear missile silos and are building luxury 212 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 4: condos underground in these old missile silos. Again, it's kind 213 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 4: of peculiar behavior, but that's sort of like for ultra, 214 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: or not for ultra, but like for richer people. But 215 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: one of the reasons I mentioned New Zealand is a 216 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 4: place I wanted to go to is because that's where 217 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 4: all the luxury bunkers are. 218 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,479 Speaker 3: For all the super. 219 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 4: Mega wealthy people, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, they've 220 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 4: all got New Zealand citizenship. They've all built these massive 221 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: compounds into the mountains. They have it staffed with like 222 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: medical facilities and personnel, and they're ready to go, like 223 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: if things get crazy, they are going to jump on 224 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: a helicopter and get over to New Zealand. 225 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: It just doesn't sound real. It's so ominous, that's right. 226 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 4: But you can you can see them, like if you 227 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: if you know a fortune or in Forbes and the 228 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 4: sort of like high end finance magazines or whatever, don't 229 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 4: give you these like lux tours and like, oh, look 230 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: at these beautiful bunkers that the tech elite have built 231 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 4: for themselves. We're not going to tell you where is 232 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: because that would be naughty, right, but they absolutely want 233 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: to display it. 234 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: What's the end plan for these high end bunkies? Like 235 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: they go down there and then what are they just 236 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: gonna live there for the rest of their lives? 237 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: Like what is the end go? Like, what's the point? 238 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Like what do they want out 239 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: of it? I don't know. 240 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 4: That is exactly the question that animates us, is the 241 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 4: question like, oh, do you want to just survive two 242 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 4: weeks longer than everybody else when things go like totally sideways, 243 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: Like yeah, we argue that because class is the kind 244 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: of animating feature here that especially the ultra wealthy, they're 245 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: so attached to maintaining their class status that even if 246 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 4: the world ends, they have to be the wealthy people, right, 247 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: And so they have to preserve this like this ultra 248 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: luxurious lifestyle. And you know, in our own research too, 249 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: we've sort of tied that into an American identity, but 250 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: that gets kind of in the weeds and the history 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: of the US. But yeah, I really think that it's 252 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: just a matter of like, if things go totally wrong, 253 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: very few of them are going to make it. 254 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: Why not me? 255 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: And if it's going to be me, I'm going to 256 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 4: do it in a way that sustains my standard of living. 257 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: I think that's what drives the fantasy, is that you 258 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 4: can just sort of take your lifestyle with you into 259 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: a bunker. 260 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: But I don't think they've actually thought it. 261 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: Through, like what happens after if you really kind of 262 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: think through like if things are so totally degraded that 263 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 4: the world is uninhabitable and you have to go underground, Like, 264 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: I don't know how you can think about a future. 265 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: It's this It seems to be really based around nacissism really, 266 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: whereas I'm so important and I should continue to live 267 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: on this earth beyond anyone else because I look what 268 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I can do. It's ikey, I unlock it. 269 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: We're not psychologists, but I think you're right. So, but 270 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: that's my that's my non professional opinion. But yeah, you're 271 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 4: right there there is a sort of ickiness factor, but 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 4: art at the same time, kind of being ready for 273 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 4: things to maybe not go quite right might be smart. 274 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 275 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, certain times within the history of the world where 276 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: preps have come and gone and like ebbed and flowed. 277 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: Is it like we're getting a lot more of them 278 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: now because of the current climate or. 279 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: It seems like there's a renewed interest in it. And 280 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: I think what's to me the most interesting thing is 281 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: that the United States's FEMA agency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, 282 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 4: estimates that about half of Americans. 283 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: Engage in some kind of prepping behavior. 284 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: But what I think is interesting in that data is 285 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: that they break prepping behavior into two kind of categories. 286 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: There's the social behavior, where you know, you join a 287 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: civic organization a church, or you talk to your neighbors 288 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: and you develop a play and that kind of thing, right. 289 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 4: And then on the other hand, there's a sort of 290 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 4: individual responses where that's like stockpiling home security surveillance technologies 291 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: or even like bunker building that kind of thing, right. 292 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: And so they say that half of Americans are engaging 293 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: and prepping behavior, and that's held kind of constant. But 294 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: what they notice in their most recent survey is that 295 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 4: way more Americans are shifting away from the pro social 296 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: kinds of prepping behavior and moving into the sort of 297 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 4: individualistic kinds of behavior. And I think that to me 298 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: is the most worrisome aspect of. 299 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: This coming up, we find out which celebrities are preparing 300 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: for the end of the world, and the telltale sign 301 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: of an Aussie prepper. 302 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: Will start to notice everywhere. 303 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: All right, so we're here with Robert the doomsday prepper researcher. 304 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: So you have kind of touched on the different areas 305 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: that people are prepping for what they're worried about, but 306 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: could you list some specific examples of common reasons that 307 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: people want to prep what they're actually scared of. 308 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, So you can find groups of people who have 309 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 4: a very strong evangelical theology where they think that Jesus 310 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: Christ is gonna come back, and so they think that 311 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: that might happen within their lifetimes. But since Christ left 312 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 4: for the first time, people have thought he was going 313 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 4: to come back and so hasn't happened quite yet. But 314 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 4: maybe so I think that animates a lot of people. 315 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: Another interesting group in the US is up in the 316 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: Northwest area. There's a lot of wilderness, very sparsely populated. 317 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: There's a group of landowners that call themselves America's Redoubt, 318 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: and it's sort of like a co op of people 319 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: who are sort of thinking like, well, you know, America 320 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: is going to fall apart under the weight of its 321 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: social contradictions, and so we need to be ready to 322 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: go and sort of reboot America. So it's sort of 323 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: this like hyper America two point zero out in the wilderness. 324 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: You have to apply to get into this thing, and 325 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: it's like do you have any usable skills? Are you 326 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: a doctor? Are you an accountant? I mean, they're really 327 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: trying to build what hippies in the sixties might have 328 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 4: called an intentional community, right, but they're doing it for 329 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: the total social collapse of the US. I think there 330 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: are prepping groups too that there's a racial or ethnic 331 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: component to it, but even that's ideologically frustrated in the 332 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 4: sense that you can find prepping groups of African Americans 333 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 4: that are sort of firmly what you'd call right wing, 334 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 4: their very Second Amendment focused, and so they're like big 335 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: into gun rights and the idea that a tyrannical government 336 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: will have to be fought off. And then there are 337 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 4: other African American prepping groups that are engaging in that 338 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 4: pro social behavior of building community, figuring out how to 339 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: procure for themselves via community gardens, repurposing urban land, and 340 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 4: so it cuts across all those kinds of things, and 341 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 4: then I think there are other folks that are really 342 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: worried there's going to be just an ecological disaster that 343 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 4: they are not going to be saved by the government. 344 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you were touching on, like you said, water 345 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: and solar panels. Are there some trites and happy spy 346 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: preppers that you've discovered while researching that you think are 347 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: actually maybe a little bit beneficial for people to incorporate 348 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: into their own lives. 349 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 350 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 4: I think it kind of gets at that question of 351 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: when does it get weird? Because if you think, okay, 352 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: you know, having fifteen gallons of water is good? 353 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: Is thirty two much? Is three thousand a little bit peculiar? 354 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: Right hand? And you get to a point where it's like, Okay, 355 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: it got weird. 356 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: Do you think prepping is kind of getting cool? Because 357 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: I see like bunker tours on TikTok. I see like 358 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and it's like people love it. 359 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: They engage with the content. I don't know if they 360 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: seeople actually real preppers, who knows. But they're doing all 361 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: the actions and they're being celebrated for it. 362 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: It is it cool? 363 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: That's a really great question, and I'll say yes for 364 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: one reason. 365 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 4: I mean, and we open our book with this. The 366 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 4: Kardashians took a tour of an Atlas bunker on their 367 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 4: show Keeping Up with the Kardashians, and so like that 368 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: has to buy a little bit of coolness, and so 369 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 4: I think it is kind of cool. I think it's 370 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 4: a little bit cool too, because it's it's still a 371 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 4: little bit exotic seeming, right, because so much of the 372 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: emphasis is on the extreme or kind of like marginal behaviors. 373 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: But I suspect that if our argument holds and people 374 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: sort of realize that they are increasingly engaging in prepping behavior, 375 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: maybe it'll be less cool. So maybe that's what I 376 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 4: should say. My real goal is here is to make 377 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: prepping seem less cool by suggesting we're all doing it. 378 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: All right, Okay, yeah, you don't want to be involved. 379 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: Everyone's doing it how boring. 380 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: That's right. 381 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: So you said you were now moving in research and 382 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: looking at places like Australia. What are we doing over here, 383 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: because I haven't heard about it. The only prepping that 384 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: I think Aussies do is have like a bag ready 385 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: to go visit bush fire. That's kind of it that 386 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: I've heard. 387 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 4: Right, We're we're working with colleagues in Australia, including one 388 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 4: in Melbourne, and I think what we're going to contribute 389 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: is we're going to argue that there's a kind of 390 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: Americanization going on here. And I don't know if this 391 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: is true, but a sort of guiding principle of this 392 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 4: has been seemingly anyway. I mean, you can tell me 393 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 4: if this maps onto your own Americans dig and Australians 394 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: take off into the wilderness. 395 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: That's true. 396 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, when we don't get ready for things to go wrong, 397 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: we like get in the basement. 398 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: No, we run to this day out back. We're like, 399 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: nothing can touch us here. We're fine, whatever, We'll go 400 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: hang out there. 401 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: Take a thirty rack of beer with you and like go. 402 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: Well, literally, you know, I sometimes ponder the end of 403 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the world, and you know, because we are so separated 404 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: from everything here, it takes a little bit longer for 405 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: things to get to us. So I was like, oh, 406 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: we'd get a bit of a heads up, okay, so 407 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: then what would I do? And then it just run 408 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: into the bush. 409 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: That's a very philosophical question. If the world ends, a no, 410 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: no one's there to see it. 411 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 3: Did it happen? 412 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: If the world ended but I'm still around, is it 413 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: actually ended? Because I think I'm my world so and 414 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure i'm a lot of other people's world, 415 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: so I think it's still going. 416 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: If you ask me, what is the world? Oh, we 417 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: can go for ages. 418 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: But this conversation has really triggered something in my brain 419 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: and realized that I think I am actually a doomsday prepper. 420 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: But my doomsday is running out of makeup because I 421 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: have to have all My friends call it my stock. 422 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: I always have stock of everything. Whenever I buy something, 423 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: it's like twenty of them because I always use them. 424 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: I always need them and I don't want to run out. 425 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm a busy working girl, so you know, if the 426 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: end of the world happens, I'm prepared because I've got 427 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: like thirty cans of hairspray. Three leaders of Foundation twelve 428 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: buckets of glitter and fifty seven thousand pairs of eyelashes. So, 429 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, is there one item that people usually start 430 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: prepping with? 431 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: I think most people starting a tool for prepping as 432 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: a gun. 433 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: Can't. Really. 434 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think prepping in America is part of 435 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: it so unique because it's so wrapped up in gun culture. 436 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: You don't find a lot of people who are engaging 437 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: in prepping who aren't also sort of heavily armed. But 438 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: then again, most Americans are heavily armed anyway, so it's 439 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: sort of as it's just an interesting kind of dynamic 440 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: that you have to take account of. And I would 441 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: suspect that for a lot of Americans who are thinking, oh, 442 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: I should do something to protect my home or get 443 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: ready in case things don't go quite right. I suspect 444 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 4: it for a lot of people, their first thing would 445 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 4: would be to go get a pistol. 446 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. 447 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: It's such a different world over there, so we got 448 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: get guns, so what would we have? 449 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: What are we doing at the moment? 450 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: I mean it sounds great. 451 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 4: I mean I guess what I've heard from my colleagues 452 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: in Australia is that OSSI's are in like true mad 453 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 4: Max fashion. They're sort of like retrofitting vehicles to be 454 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: like really rough and ready for different kinds of environments, 455 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: which I'll take. 456 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: That has given me an idea. 457 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: There a Priscilla bus fitted out for the end of 458 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: the world, so I could have my big pink bas 459 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I can drive out into the desert. I can have 460 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: all my glitter, I can have all my makeup and 461 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: lashes and everything, and I'll just be in my little 462 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: drag vehicle Priscilla two point. I forget about the sequel. 463 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: They're riting at the moment. Not interested. I've just changed 464 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: the plot right here, all right, No, someone calls Stephan Elliott, 465 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: called Tim Chapple. We're changing it. Priscilla mad Max, end 466 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: of the World. 467 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: I'll be there. 468 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: And if you need a budding mushroom enthusiast like a 469 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: Bob Olive. 470 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: So that was Robert, a doomsday prepper researcher. 471 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: Well, I'm off to go and pick up my pink 472 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: Priscilla bus and fill it with glitter. 473 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: And if the world does happen to end today, surely 474 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: you want one of the last things you see to 475 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: be good. 476 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: Just me. It's easy. 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