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Speaker 1: It is Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and a

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Speaker 2: bit of a different lineup this morning.

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Speaker 1: As you'll notice as we go around.

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Speaker 2: Joining me in the studio is the opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning everyone, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: We've got Sky News bureau chief for the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: We've got Tom Morgan, the political reporter for the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory News. Good morning to you, Tom. And we have

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Speaker 2: also got Kezia Pureic, the Independent member for Goid Good

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Speaker 2: morning to you, Keezier.

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Speaker 5: Morning Katie. Where's my Natasha?

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Speaker 2: Oh my labor best is not well. It seems as

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Speaker 2: though labor has has gone to ground. We know that

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Speaker 2: I believe there is a six or seven of them

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Speaker 2: in Tenant Creek at the moment. I do believe there

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Speaker 2: was a certain saving one of those posts on social media,

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Speaker 2: so a number of them Intenant Creek opening a supermarket.

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Speaker 1: I believe that there are a few of them.

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Speaker 2: Then going to Alice Springs today now I have been

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Speaker 2: told that the police Minister has cod and so wasn't

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Speaker 2: able to join us, and I believe that Natasha Files

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Speaker 2: is in Alice Springs this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now as well.

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Speaker 2: Now just for a bit of background, I think for

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Speaker 2: our listeners, because some of you may have been listening

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Speaker 2: to the show for years since Pete Davies, the late

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Speaker 2: great my predecessor was in the chair. It's been running,

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Speaker 2: I guess for about twelve years, eight of those with me,

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Speaker 2: around four with Pete Davies. And the only time that

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Speaker 2: we've never had Labor Minister turn up was when the

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Speaker 2: IKAC handed down their report most recently into the Turf Club.

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Speaker 2: The only other time that I've ever turned up and

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Speaker 2: not known whether we're going to have someone from the

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Speaker 2: Government of the Day on was the week that the

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Speaker 2: Royal Commission was called into don Dale and into Youth Justice.

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Speaker 2: So we didn't know until Friday morning whether I was

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Speaker 2: going to have anybody from the Government of the Day here,

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Speaker 2: and then lo and behold, Adam Giles turned up as

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Speaker 2: the microphones went on, Minister.

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Speaker 1: So you can make of that, I guess what you will.

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Speaker 2: But that's the only times in the last twelve years.

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Speaker 2: So again I will say you can make of that

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Speaker 2: what you will. Now look, I will give a bit

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Speaker 2: of an update in a couple of minutes about the

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Speaker 2: situation in Catherine or I will certainly do that throughout

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Speaker 2: the morning, but let's get into this. I think that

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Speaker 2: the thing that everybody knows that we are going to

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Speaker 2: be speaking about this morning is the fact that nt

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Speaker 2: police officer zach Rov was on Friday, last Friday, acquitted

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Speaker 2: on all charges over the shooting death of Kumenjai Walker

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Speaker 2: and ew and Dmu in twenty nineteen, after Jura's returned

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Speaker 2: a unanimous not guilty verdict. Matt Cunningham, you were there

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Speaker 2: pretty much every single day covering this story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and there was obviously a high profile trial, Katie,

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Speaker 6: and a very tense trial throughout a large part of it.

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Speaker 6: You would have to say that, you know, there was

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Speaker 6: a large police presence around court. I think there was

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Speaker 6: concerns about, you know, what might happen at any point

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Speaker 6: during the trial or after the trial, and you would

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Speaker 6: have to say that none of that eventuated.

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Speaker 4: And I think it needs to be said.

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Speaker 6: That the walpury conducted themselves with great grace and dignity

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Speaker 6: throughout that trial.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, they were.

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Speaker 6: Clearly upset at the verdict and we heard, you know,

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Speaker 6: all of the players involved in this speak outside the

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Speaker 4: I thought, I thought.

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Speaker 6: Constable Rob spoke very well, very briefly outside the court

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Speaker 6: when he said that, you know this, while he was

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Speaker 6: obviously happy with this decision, he said that it was

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Speaker 6: a difficult time for kumen Joe Walker and his family

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Speaker 6: And then we heard from several members of the Yundamu

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Speaker 6: some some pretty remarkable things take place in some pretty

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Speaker 6: remarkable public commentary. You know, I thought the police commissioner

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Speaker 6: he spoke on Friday afternoon, if his intention was to

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Speaker 6: indeed the Yundimu community, he managed to achieve the opposite

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Speaker 6: in a six and a half minute press conference where

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Speaker 6: he spoke about car accidents and house fires and critical

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Speaker 4: Off without taking questions.

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Speaker 6: He put out a statement on Monday night that was

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Speaker 6: fairly sensible, but why he didn't say on Friday.

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Speaker 4: What was in his statement on Monday night?

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but I think that was the beginning

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Speaker 6: of what's been a pretty disastrous week for both the

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Speaker 6: way they've dealt with this. And then of course, you

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Speaker 6: know you had your interview with the Chief Minister on

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Speaker 6: Tuesday and we know how that went.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's been a.

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Speaker 6: Pretty crazy week, a pretty tough week for a lot

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Speaker 6: of people, and I think, to be honest, the way

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Speaker 5: And Katie, I'm not sure if you're aware what others are,

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Speaker 5: but there's been a petition started up on Facebook surrounding

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Speaker 5: around the territory community or the top end particularly now

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Speaker 5: it gets up to about five and a half thousand

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Speaker 5: signatures now calling for or calling on the government to

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Speaker 5: remove the Police Commissioner. And these are probably just ordinary

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Speaker 5: Territorians and some might be closer to the action and

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Speaker 5: others and some may well be you know, serving officers

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Speaker 5: or just past officers. But there clearly is a lot

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Speaker 5: of unrest and unhappiness out there in the community. At

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Speaker 5: the subsequent actions and commentary by those that you expect

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Speaker 2: It is actually that change dot or petition has now

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Speaker 2: reached about six eight hundred and ninety three signatures on there. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: I will take you to the comments actually that the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister had. Well, honestly, there's been so much happen

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Speaker 2: it's hard to know where to go first. If I'm honest,

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Speaker 2: there's been so much commentary throughout the week, I might

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Speaker 2: actually take you firstly to the comments that were made

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Speaker 2: from Richard Rolf, the father of Zachary Roff, following on

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Speaker 2: obviously from that outcome and after we spoke to him

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Speaker 2: on Monday morning, I believe it was that I had

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Speaker 2: Rolf had to say on the show on Monday.

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Speaker 7: No commissioned officer has ever checked on Zach's welfare or

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Speaker 7: his family since the arrest, and they have persecuted him

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Speaker 7: relentlessly and without doubt.

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Speaker 8: They are the worst employer in the country. They have

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Speaker 8: no duty of care to their start. It's atrocious and

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Speaker 8: the only way the Northern Territory Police Force can rebound

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Speaker 8: is to immediately remove Jamie Chalker.

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Speaker 2: So you are calling for the Police Commissioner, Jamie Chalker

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Speaker 2: to be removed from his job.

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Speaker 7: Whether he is sacked immediately or he resigns, I don't mind,

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Speaker 7: but he must go.

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Speaker 2: So that was Richard Rolf on the show earlier in

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Speaker 2: the week. Now I think we all know that then

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner did certainly respond to those

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Speaker 1: Well, I wish that he'd use better.

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Speaker 2: Words, but had said that the Police Commissioner was a

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Speaker 2: straight shooter. He said that fifty nine was too fast

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Speaker 2: in a sixty zone for Jamie Chalker, and ultimately, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was really saying that, you know that he has

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Speaker 2: confidence in the Police Commissioner. But I think that the

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Speaker 2: reality of this whole situation is that following on from

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Speaker 2: we've obviously heard from the Undamu community and elders, We've

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Speaker 2: heard from Zakrov's legal team, we'd heard from the Police Association,

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Speaker 2: we'd heard from Zakrov himself. But what we then saw,

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Speaker 2: I think was a real lack of leadership on both

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Speaker 2: in terms of coming out and really trying to bring

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Speaker 2: the community.

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Speaker 3: Together and restore confidence.

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Speaker 9: So, of course, as Matt said, you had the Police

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Speaker 9: Commissioner come out, speak flat out for six and a

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Speaker 3: You had a very flat statement from the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 9: Again it didn't mention comes to a rule for all

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Speaker 9: from memory and we haven't heard from the Police minister.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 9: I know she's at home with COVID, but you know,

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Speaker 9: unless she's got a different COVID to most people, I

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Speaker 9: don't think that's any excuse. I mean, Tom, you were

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Speaker 9: able to extract from her three sentences the other day,

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Speaker 9: but I mean, this is the person who you know,

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Speaker 9: she's responsible for those men and women in blue. And

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Speaker 9: so to have had this profound lack of response from

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Speaker 9: to hear from has been just added even a more

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Speaker 10: And I think a lot of people, like a lot

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Speaker 10: of people would be asking, why are you demanding the

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Speaker 10: I think it's important that the Chief Minister come out

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Speaker 10: and talk and answer questions because he went to Jundumu

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Speaker 10: in twenty nineteen and said consequences will flow talking about

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Speaker 10: as the leader of the Northern Territory to bring people

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Speaker 10: to reach out to both people in Undamu and also

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Speaker 10: the wounds of what has been a very damaging two

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Speaker 10: years for the government. He hasn't done that. He's done

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Speaker 10: an interview with UK in which he was on the

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Speaker 2: Let's take a little listen to that interview, because I

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Speaker 2: guess I'm the one person in this room really who

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Speaker 2: can't complain. I did speak to the Chief Minister earlier

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Speaker 2: that there were in some instances more questions following on

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Speaker 2: from that interview than what there were answers take a

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Speaker 2: relation to those comments that consequences would flow.

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Speaker 11: It was clear what I was talking about. Unfortunately, and

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Speaker 11: as you know, we've had this concession quite a lot

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Speaker 11: on your Showkatie, my comments were deliberately taken out of context.

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Speaker 11: I think was irresponsible and deliberate. I was clearly talking

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Speaker 11: about the coronial investigation, of which will now commence, and

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Speaker 11: I still expect there to be consequences, recommendations, findings, pick

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Speaker 11: your word that will flow as a result of that.

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Speaker 2: These words have certainly been used well, you could say

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Speaker 2: against him, I suppose, over quite a long period of time.

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Speaker 2: At the best, I think they were clunky. At worst,

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Speaker 2: they were the wrong thing to say.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's ridiculous what the Chief Minister is trying to say,

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Speaker 9: and I think Paul McHugh said it so eloquently with

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Speaker 3: The fact that Michael Gunner thinks it's okay.

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Speaker 9: To clarify his comments as being about the Corona I

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Speaker 9: just shows how much he doesn't understand how important what

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Speaker 9: You're right, because if any of them were witnessesness appeared

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Speaker 3: I mean, did they talk about the weather? I don't know.

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Speaker 6: And the problem with the void that we've had for

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Speaker 1: We need answers to that's exactly.

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Speaker 6: An Australian newspaper, in regards to the police investigation parted

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Speaker 6: for no discerning justifiable reason. Now these are notes that

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Speaker 6: Detective Stargeant Isabel Cummins was directed to compile a brief

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Speaker 4: Element and charge.

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Speaker 6: I think someone from the Northern Territory Police needs to

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Speaker 4: And you know.

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Speaker 6: And there may be a case that there was enough

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Speaker 6: But it is clear from documentary evidence that the police

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Speaker 6: There wasn't sufficient evidence at that time to charge him.

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Speaker 6: But that's what happened.

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Speaker 10: And I want to know whether the coronial inquest when

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Speaker 6: And that's the other fastical part of this whole affair

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Speaker 2: Let me take you to the Chief Minister's comments. I'm

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Speaker 2: very aware obviously that we don't have a labor member

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Speaker 2: do actually need to take a closer look. If he

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Speaker 1: To what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: So you're totally ruling out any other independent look at

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Speaker 2: if you're a conspiracy you're actually no actually.

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Speaker 2: I think that's actually I think that's a bit of

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Speaker 11: There is an eyekak. They're independent, they can look at anything,

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you guys got your tinfoil

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Speaker 9: And notice in his comments he said can, And I

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Speaker 9: perhaps the immediate aftermath. But it's more about systems review

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 9: It's it's practical system reform to try and make sure

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Speaker 2: Look, there are so many questions which remaine. So what

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk further.

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Speaker 2: About that throughout the hour you are listening to Mix

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Speaker 2: But I do want to just talk about as well

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Speaker 2: yesterday it might have been Northern Territory Police have ended

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean there's clearly lots of internal tension within the

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Speaker 6: and this won't help.

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Speaker 4: But that's right.

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Speaker 6: This is an award that's been running for thirty years

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Speaker 6: I believe, and told him that the Anti Police would

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Speaker 4: The awards, so Roatrie could still run the award effectively

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Speaker 6: To, but I think that their view is that it

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Speaker 4: Now this comes after.

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Speaker 6: The process basically is that they get nominations from the

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Speaker 4: Appears that the Commissioner.

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Speaker 6: Took that view because he has now ended the police's association.

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Speaker 5: He could he could have just said, look that one

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Speaker 5: you know Rotary. I mean, I think it's the main

443
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Speaker 5: roachary club of.

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Speaker 3: Darwin the organized the awards.

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Speaker 5: And you know, and from my understanding, I think even

446
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Speaker 5: the Police minister's father was a recipient of one of

447
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Speaker 5: these awards. You know, So you know, the Police Minister

448
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: Nicole Madison's father was a police officer and you know,

449
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Speaker 5: recipient of these awards. They're well regarded and you know

450
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Speaker 5: it's good for the community because school based constables were

451
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Speaker 5: one of those kind of people that used to get

452
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Speaker 5: these awards because yes, they were doing their job in

453
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Speaker 5: the schools and with the school community, but they also

454
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Speaker 5: went above and beyond the ones I know that have picked.

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Speaker 4: Up the award.

456
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Speaker 5: And that's what the awards are about. It's about community

457
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Speaker 5: engagement and making the police officers part of your community

458
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Speaker 5: rather than just this big boogeyman over there that's going to.

459
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Speaker 1: Pull you up for sale.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's also about the community having the opportunity

461
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Speaker 2: to thank the police for the work that they do.

462
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Speaker 2: And I actually got to me this is the whole

463
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Speaker 2: situation that I'm finding a little bit disappointing at the moment.

464
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Speaker 2: And even the fact that you know that the police

465
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Speaker 2: Minister's not out speaking to the public at the moment.

466
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Speaker 2: This isn't about ministers speaking to me, or to you Matt,

467
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Speaker 2: or to you Tom as journalists. This is about elected

468
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Speaker 2: officials speaking to the public, yes, and reinforcing to the

469
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Speaker 2: police that they appreciate the work that they do. This

470
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Speaker 2: is where at the moment, there is a vacuum that's

471
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Speaker 2: not being filled. And as we've all discussed, you know

472
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Speaker 2: that leadership that's not being shown right now. And I

473
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Speaker 2: think that you know, it's easy for us all to

474
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Speaker 2: give the police commissioner a bit of a kick up

475
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Speaker 2: the barmer, It's easy for us to give the chief

476
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Speaker 2: minister a kick up the but seriously, where are our

477
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Speaker 2: elected officials at the moment? You know, why are they

478
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Speaker 2: not out addressing these concerns. Why are they not out

479
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: actually speaking to the police and saying we do appreciate

480
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Speaker 2: the work that you're doing in the community.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's a kick in the it's a bowling.

482
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Speaker 10: And when they do go out to speak about something else,

483
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 10: as soon as you start asking questions about what is

484
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Speaker 10: arguably the biggest news story so far this year in

485
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Speaker 10: the territory, I'll shut it down. They'll take one question,

486
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 10: they'll say, oh, I'm not going to talk to that,

487
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to provide commentary on that, and they'll

488
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Speaker 10: shut it down when they could use that opportunity to

489
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Speaker 10: stand up and say, it's been a really difficult period

490
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Speaker 10: for so many people. You know, let's find a way

491
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Speaker 10: to move through this together.

492
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Speaker 2: And even not only the police force, but even the

493
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Speaker 2: community of you and to move yes, you know, as

494
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Speaker 2: was pointed out.

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Speaker 1: Earlier, Look, I just can't wrap my head around it.

496
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Speaker 9: Everyone has been completely let down. We've had an extraordinary

497
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Speaker 9: two and a half years and this is a terrible

498
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Speaker 9: chapter in our history and now is the time to

499
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Speaker 9: rebuild the confidence, which is why we want the inquiry.

500
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Speaker 9: It just it needs to look at the period from

501
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 9: the shooting to the time of charge and clear the

502
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Speaker 9: air because our police have been decimated by this attrition

503
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 9: has gone through the roof. Morale is at all times low.

504
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Speaker 9: There's no confidence in the Chief Minister, within the police force.

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Speaker 3: It's a terrible situation.

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Speaker 9: And then to have something like a thirty year relationship

507
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Speaker 9: with the Rotary Club, you know, not even letting Rotary

508
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Speaker 9: give an award to police. I mean, how low do

509
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Speaker 9: we get in this you know, it's extraordinary times and

510
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Speaker 9: that just further erodes confidence morale, and you know, it's

511
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Speaker 9: a bloody awful thing, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now I know.

513
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Speaker 2: That there were calls on the steps outside outside the

514
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court House as well for guns to no longer

515
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Speaker 2: be used in communities.

516
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Speaker 1: Now, if you missed, if you.

517
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Speaker 2: Miss that those words being spoken by Uncle Ned Hargreaves

518
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Speaker 2: on the steps of the Supreme Court on Friday, Listen, sorry,

519
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Speaker 2: I'll just turn my own microphone back on.

520
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: It's another sad day.

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Speaker 4: I just say, when we are going to get substance?

523
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: When why dame.

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Speaker 10: No guns?

525
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Speaker 4: No guns in the remote community? Will I want no guns?

526
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Speaker 4: Enough is enough?

527
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Speaker 2: And so that was obviously on these steps outside the

528
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court need Hargreaves there speaking to the media. Like

529
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Speaker 2: I said, right from the outset this morning, there is

530
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Speaker 2: so much to unpack in this situation. But the Chief

531
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Speaker 2: Minister did clarify or did confirm throughout the week that

532
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Speaker 2: they that you know, they're not going to they're not

533
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Speaker 2: going to be taking firearms away from the Northern Territory

534
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Speaker 2: Police at this point, as far as I know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Katie, I can accept and acknowledge the pain

536
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Speaker 5: and suffering that the family of Kmujo Walka has gone

537
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Speaker 5: through and continue to go through grief.

538
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Speaker 2: Grief.

539
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 5: Grief has no end date. But I think everyone needs

540
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Speaker 5: to just be calm or try to be calm. As

541
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Speaker 5: I said that the court, the highest court of our

542
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Speaker 5: land in the Northern Territory, has acquitted that man of

543
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Speaker 5: the charges. Now like it or not, that is what

544
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 5: has happened. And to then react to say, oh, well,

545
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Speaker 5: because the gun killed that person, therefore we need to

546
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Speaker 5: get rid of the guns. Police officers have guns for

547
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Speaker 5: other reasons than you know, protection of their selves and

548
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: other humans. You know, in the top end, they're often

549
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Speaker 5: used for protection of people against crocodiles or you know,

550
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 5: they might have to put a wounded animal down or

551
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 5: things of that nature, and that's all part of their job.

552
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Speaker 5: I can accept the pain that's coming from those people,

553
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Speaker 5: but you know, the police are equipped with certain things

554
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Speaker 5: because our community as general, across all of the Northern

555
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: Territory from the world, is not a safe place anymore,

556
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Speaker 5: and we're expecting these police officers to go out there

557
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 5: on a daily basis. And I mean the what's his name,

558
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 5: Bradley Murdock Fellow. No, it was the one that went

559
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 5: on the red pasty of the city. You know, Okay,

560
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: he had a gun, he shot people and all that

561
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 5: sort of stuff. You know, Now, if our police officers

562
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 5: had not been in the situation they're in, you know,

563
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 5: and he still was firing at them, you know, they

564
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: have to protect themselves and other citizens within the community.

565
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 5: So you know, and if the governments come out or

566
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 5: the police Comisi's comand and say that's not happening, well,

567
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 5: that's not happy. So I think we just need to

568
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 5: say we need to deal with it, recognize it, and

569
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Speaker 5: then move on through.

570
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Speaker 9: But part of why these calls are coming is because

571
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Speaker 9: of that overwhelming sense of injustice, particularly for people in Nuendumu,

572
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 9: who were you know, set up for failure essentially by

573
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Speaker 9: the Chief Minister in his comments in those couple of

574
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Speaker 9: days after the shooting. And you know, we've got to

575
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Speaker 9: acknowledge that that is part of this. He promised a

576
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 9: type of outcome and you know there would undoubtedly be

577
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 9: that sense of injustice. But you know, our police, you know,

578
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 9: we train them, they're highly trained professionals. We train them

579
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 9: to carry a wide range of weapons. I mean, it's

580
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 9: not just a glock or a rifle or a taser

581
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 9: or whatever it might be.

582
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Speaker 3: There's the button.

583
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Speaker 9: You know, there's a ton of stuff, and they have

584
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 9: to be trained, they have to be able to respond,

585
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 9: They have to be able to protect themselves, their partners

586
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 9: and other members of the community at any given time.

587
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 9: You know, we send them to volatile situations every single day,

588
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 9: and you know, we continue to support police carrying weapons.

589
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Speaker 6: I do agree largely that we can't take weapons away

590
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Speaker 6: from police.

591
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Speaker 4: I think there has though, and you know, Keysier and

592
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 4: Lea have been here a lot longer than me.

593
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 6: They would have a better idea. I do wonder whether

594
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 6: the relationship in communities between police and the Aboriginal leadership

595
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 6: has broken down over a period of time, and whether

596
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Speaker 6: that is contributing into in any way.

597
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 4: It's what we're seeing here.

598
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Speaker 6: I thought Marie and scrim just spoke really well on

599
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: this issue the other day when when she was asked

600
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Speaker 6: about the issue of policing communities and she said that

601
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Speaker 6: police were vital in communities. They're really important things like

602
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Speaker 6: you know, dealing with family and domestic violence, dealing with

603
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 6: alcohol issues, dealing with all of those things.

604
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Speaker 4: And she spoke about the.

605
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Speaker 6: Importance of having a good, experienced officer in a community

606
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Speaker 6: who has a good relationship with the community. And she

607
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: used the example of Gary Higgins's son who's on the

608
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 6: Tiwi Islands. Has it been Yeah, And she just said

609
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 6: that on the Tvi Islands he has a fantastic relationship

610
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Speaker 6: with the community and that becomes really helpful in dealing

611
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 6: with all of those issues.

612
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Speaker 4: They have to deal with.

613
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Speaker 9: And this comes down to police resourcing. And I think

614
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Speaker 9: Paul Matchuse said it. I can't remember if it was

615
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 9: in his statement on Friday or not Matt but on

616
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 9: Monday rather, but he said something like, you know, you

617
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 9: can't He was talking about how some people had attacked

618
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 9: a constable role for other members of the police force

619
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Speaker 9: and sort of criticized their response to various things, and

620
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Speaker 9: then he said something along the lines of, you know,

621
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Speaker 9: you have to put you have to also attribute blame

622
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Speaker 9: essentially to the policymakers around police resourcing and all of

623
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 9: those other things, you know.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

625
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Speaker 6: And one thing that came out during that trial is

626
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 6: that Julie Frost, who was a sergeant in charge at Yinndamu,

627
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 6: was absolute. By the time the irt arrived on that

628
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Speaker 6: Saturday night, she.

629
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Speaker 4: Was absolutely exhausted.

630
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Speaker 6: It was her and two other senior constables there, consortable

631
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Speaker 6: Hands Senior Comfortable Hand and Senior Constable Onion Smith, who'd

632
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 6: been chased out of that house by couman Joe Walker

633
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Speaker 6: with an axe three days earlier. Senior comfortable Hand was

634
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Speaker 6: Duly Frost partner. You know, they were clearly terrified. They

635
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 6: were clearly exhausted. They'd been working around the clock. They'd

636
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 6: been break ins at the health clinic, they've been breakings.

637
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 4: At the nurses quarters.

638
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Speaker 6: They were just absolutely at their wits ends.

639
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Speaker 5: And they have to respond because you don't know if

640
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 5: life is going to be endangered, you know, like it

641
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 5: might say there's no one in that house but someone yeah,

642
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: you know, And just to follow up on what I

643
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 5: think LEAs said about, you know, someone like the Ben

644
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: Higgins on the Tibby Islands. Officer Higgins is the police

645
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: officers in these community form other relationships and they have

646
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 5: other duties. You know, they explained licensing, They explain why

647
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: your car should be registered. You know, they helped with

648
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: recognized what do you call it when you recognize documents?

649
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 5: For signing. You know, they do a lot of other

650
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 5: jobs in that community that a police officer in town

651
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 5: wouldn't do. And that's why you're right. Getting the right

652
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 5: kind of person into a remote community or a bush

653
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: community is critical to form those relationships. Whether the person

654
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: be married or not married doesn't matter. But it has changed.

655
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 5: I have to agree with you, Mad, it's not it's

656
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: not seen as somewhere where you want to go anymore,

657
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 5: to a community that is on a river and you

658
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 5: can go fishing every weekend. And the fact that the

659
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: police commissioner, I think at one stage a few months ago,

660
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 5: said if you don't go to an Abiginal community, then

661
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Speaker 5: you won't get forrad On.

662
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Speaker 3: They never they never get posted to Darwince.

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Speaker 9: In the last three years, no constable has graduated and

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Speaker 9: gone to do and they've got to go and time

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Speaker 9: in the bush.

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Speaker 5: And that's okay, but it's almost like it's a punishment.

667
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Speaker 5: Unless you do this, you won't get promoted. You know

668
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: it should be Look, this is an opportunity to.

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Speaker 3: Get symptomatic recruiting problem.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to get ready to move

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Speaker 2: along because I do still want to talk about these

672
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Speaker 2: emergency powers being extended the announcement made by the Health

673
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Speaker 2: Minister a bit earlier in the week, but just before

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Speaker 2: we do wrap up, I mean, where.

675
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Speaker 1: Is this all going to land?

676
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Speaker 2: Do you think that this situation is going to go

677
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Speaker 2: away for the Chief Minister? Do we think that realistically

678
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Speaker 2: this is a situation where people need to accept the

679
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: outcome and you know, move on and the fact that

680
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: there is going to be a coronial and that is it,

681
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Speaker 2: or you know, do we need to actually see this

682
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Speaker 2: independent inquiry and.

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Speaker 1: See what that comes, what comes out of us at.

684
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Speaker 5: The heart of all these problems, Let's be honest, the

685
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: turf club deal, you know, the how this came about

686
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Speaker 5: that mister Rolf was charged. Is Michael Gunner the Chief Minister.

687
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Speaker 5: He's enmeshed in all these problems that we've seen within

688
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Speaker 5: our community in some shape or form. My answer is

689
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Speaker 5: very simple, Chief Minister has to go. You know, either

690
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Speaker 5: the Deputy Chief Minister a Cole Madison or Lead of

691
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Speaker 5: gouvern Business Natasha Files or someone else for that matter

692
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Speaker 5: within their caucus needs to step up and say you

693
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: don't have the confidence of the community anymore and we

694
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Speaker 5: are going to respond accordingly.

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Speaker 1: What to give the.

696
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Speaker 5: Community to give us back a decent leader. Gunn has

697
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Speaker 5: got to go.

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Speaker 10: In my view, I think the Chief Minister should have

699
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Speaker 10: learned when the turf club saga unfolded, when that report

700
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Speaker 10: was released, that these questions don't go away easily quickly,

701
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Speaker 10: and they.

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Speaker 3: Can't be just lack of intellect.

703
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Speaker 10: You can't just go to ground and ignore them and

704
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Speaker 10: think that people will stop asking questions.

705
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Speaker 9: And people can't let them go to ground. I mean,

706
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Speaker 9: you know we're sitting here with no labor member here

707
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 9: yet the Police Minister is happy to post on her

708
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Speaker 9: Facebook page about half an hour ago saying she's at

709
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Speaker 9: a school assembly for harmony. She still well, well, I've

710
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Speaker 9: got her Facebook right in front of me now. I

711
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 9: was saying happy Harmony Day, thanks for putting on a

712
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Speaker 9: wonderful celebration lean your primary school.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it is every Territorian's responsibility.

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Speaker 9: You know, the media can report, the opposition can fight back,

716
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Speaker 9: but every Territorian needs to let this Gunner government not

717
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Speaker 9: get away with going to ground again because time and

718
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 9: time when christis hits, Gunner does a runner and it's

719
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Speaker 9: not okay. And this is the point where we stand

720
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Speaker 9: up in as a community and say enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: Where are we going to go here?

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's going to be very interesting

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Speaker 2: to see Parliament obviously resumed next week, no doubt the

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Speaker 2: Opposition and the Independence we'll be putting some pressure on there.

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Speaker 1: But look we're going to take a very short break

726
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Speaker 1: when we come back.

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Speaker 2: I am keen for us to discuss these emergency powers

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Speaker 2: being extended. You are listening to Mix one oh four

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Speaker 2: point nine three sixty. It is the week that was.

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Speaker 2: It is fifteen minutes away from ten o'clock and in

731
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Speaker 2: the studio with me this morning for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Opposition leader Leafonoccuiaro, Matt Cunningham from Sky News,

733
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Speaker 2: Tom Morgan from the NT News and Keysierpuric the Independent.

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Speaker 2: And if you are wondering why we don't have a

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Speaker 2: labor member.

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Speaker 1: Well so are we.

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Speaker 2: But we will keep it on Keevan on because we

738
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Speaker 2: know that the Health Minister Natasha Files earlier this week

739
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Speaker 2: announced that the government's going to be extending its public

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Speaker 2: health emergency for an additional ninety days under the Public

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Speaker 2: and Environmental Health Act of two thousand and eleven. In addition,

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Speaker 2: next week, when Parliament resumes. The Government, I understand it's

743
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Speaker 2: happening next week will introduce this bill to make amendments

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Speaker 2: to the Act which will provide transitional powers to the

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Speaker 2: Chief Health Officer to manage a pandemic emergency for a

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Speaker 2: period of up to two years following the revocation of

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Speaker 2: the emergency declaration. Now, I think it's all been quite confusing,

748
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Speaker 2: and one of the things that people are finding quite

749
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Speaker 2: confusing is why we seem to be heading down this

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Speaker 2: path when other states seem to be moving away from

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Speaker 2: Can I.

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Speaker 6: Just make a quick point going back to everything else

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Speaker 6: we've been talking about this morning before we get onto

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Speaker 6: the issue itself. But I think it's instructive that during

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Speaker 6: the COVID crisis of the last two years, every time

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Speaker 6: there's been a major announcement to be made, it has

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Speaker 6: involved the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner and the Territory Controller

758
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Speaker 6: slash Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker standing up on the fourth

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Speaker 6: floor in the Lichfield Room of Parliament House with the

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Speaker 6: flags behind them, making the grand announcement and then taking

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Speaker 6: questions from the media. Yet, on this occasion, and this

762
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Speaker 6: don't underestimate the significance of this announcement This is one

763
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Speaker 6: of the biggest announced we've had during this COVID crisis.

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Speaker 6: It was Natasha Fhiles and Hugh Higgy out at the

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Speaker 6: vaccination clinic.

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Speaker 4: Why well, why do you think.

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Speaker 1: We all know why?

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Speaker 2: But it's like it is quite unbelievable to think that, well,

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Speaker 2: not only were they not there, that's unbelievable in itself,

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Speaker 2: but then to think that we are moving down this

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Speaker 2: path of an unelected official having these they are incredibly

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Speaker 2: large powers for the next two years while the rest

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Speaker 2: of the nation seems to be moving away from this situation.

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Speaker 10: And I wish Natasha Files was here right now to

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Speaker 10: answer what I'm about to say. But she said, oh,

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Speaker 10: we're being very accountable. We don't need to put a

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Speaker 10: report before Parliament, you know every three months on what

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Speaker 10: the chief Health officers sociations.

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Speaker 4: We're being very accountable. We don't need to put a

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Speaker 4: report for it.

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Speaker 10: But because she's holding press conferences with her argument was

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Speaker 10: because we're holding press conferences, we're being accountable. And I

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Speaker 10: simply said, well, you can't actually, you know, if you

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Speaker 10: table something in parliament or you say something in parliament,

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Speaker 10: you actually can't speak miss truths at a press conference.

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Speaker 10: You can say whatever you want, not suggesting that they

787
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Speaker 10: are truthful, but it's possible, like they need to be

788
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Speaker 10: accountable to the Parliament and to the public as well,

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Speaker 10: and I don't think press conferences cut it.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, at the heart of a lot of

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Speaker 2: this this week, and I you know, I will point

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Speaker 2: out that I have had the Chief Minister on the

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Speaker 2: show and also had the Health Minister on the show.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to say, at the heart of all

795
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Speaker 2: of this right now, there seems to be a real

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Speaker 2: sense that you know that the government is not communicating

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Speaker 2: as well as they should be and could be with territories.

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Speaker 9: Well, they are arrogant and they have a sense of entitlement.

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Speaker 9: They treat the Parliament with contempt. It's just sort of

800
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 9: like an inconvenience for them. And Tom's absolutely right. They

801
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 9: are accountable to the people through the Parliament and that's

802
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Speaker 9: why proper reporting in the Parliament is the only way

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Speaker 9: that we can have any confidence in what the health

804
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Speaker 9: advice is. I mean, this has been this is a

805
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Speaker 9: really scary amendment that the government are proposing, and for

806
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Speaker 9: people who aren't quite sure of the detail under the

807
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Speaker 9: currently the government has to clearest state of emergency now

808
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Speaker 9: at last ninety days. Within that ninety days, what that

809
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Speaker 9: does is give the Chief Health Officer a very broad

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Speaker 9: range of powers to encroach on people's lives, take away liberty,

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Speaker 9: force people to do things, et cetera. Now that is

812
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Speaker 9: reserved for the most serious states of emergency. What the

813
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Speaker 9: Gunner government are doing is they've said we don't want

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Speaker 9: to keep the state of emergency going, so in about

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Speaker 9: ninety days we're going to stop that. But what we're

816
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Speaker 9: going to do is take all of the power that

817
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Speaker 9: legislation gives the chow during a.

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Speaker 3: State of emergency.

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Speaker 9: We're going to take it out and we're going to

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Speaker 9: give it to him unfettered for two years. That way,

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Speaker 9: publicly we can say state of emergency over, but practically

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Speaker 9: the choke can still make all of the decisions how

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Speaker 9: to have all of the power that is reserved only

824
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Speaker 9: for a state of emergency. So this is a fundamental

825
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Speaker 9: problem in transparency and scrutiny and the devolving of great

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Speaker 9: power to essentially a public servant who is not accountable

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Speaker 9: to the people like a member of parliament.

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Speaker 4: Is Yeah, I think it is. I think it's fairly outrageous.

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Speaker 6: And the easy thing for doing it is that we're

830
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Speaker 6: supposed to be in some kind of emergency. Hugh Hegey

831
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Speaker 6: undid that argument himself in the press conference when he

832
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Speaker 6: said that the territory is the safest place aside from

833
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Speaker 6: the moon, So the safest place right.

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Speaker 10: The safest place on earth aside from.

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Speaker 6: The What if this is the case? And as Leah says,

836
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Speaker 6: to give power to an unelected bureaucrat is extraordinary and

837
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Speaker 6: should only be done in the most drastic of drastic circumstances,

838
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Speaker 6: posing cyclone tracy.

839
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Speaker 4: Do it under these circumstances.

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Speaker 5: And no doubt believe it, because obviously let slash is

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Speaker 5: going to be rushed through either the next week or

842
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Speaker 5: the week after in Parliament and government. As Liz pointed out,

843
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Speaker 5: they shut they shut the bait down. You know, if

844
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Speaker 5: the opposition tries to censure or question something, will bring

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Speaker 5: their own motions. They shut down general business.

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Speaker 3: Shut down our own motions in our own time.

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Speaker 5: The question, the question is why, what is driving? There's

848
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Speaker 5: always got to be a reason that doesn't just pop

849
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Speaker 5: out of a balloon. What is driving? For the Health

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Speaker 5: Minister and Tasha Philes to want to do this, she's

851
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Speaker 5: she's been given advice from someone. She hasn't thought it

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Speaker 5: up herself. So it's either come from Heggy himself.

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Speaker 1: Or it's a distraction.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a distraction this week, and also.

855
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Speaker 2: Realize even if it is a distraction, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that they anticipated the way that it would be received

857
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Speaker 2: by territorians. I don't think that they realized that everybody listening.

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Speaker 6: Only a few minutes and there there was outrage, even

859
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Speaker 6: from the people who were the most supportive of Daniel

860
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Speaker 6: Andrews and Brett Sutton and all of the things that

861
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Speaker 6: they'd done through that pandemic and Victoria. There was absolute

862
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 6: outrage from everyone just about in that state over their

863
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Speaker 6: attempts to do this, and there will be something similar here.

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Speaker 6: I mean, people are not stupid. People believe in accountability

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Speaker 6: and they believe that there needs to be checks and

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Speaker 6: balances against government and you can't just have an unelected

867
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Speaker 6: bureaucrat going around making decisions willy nilly.

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Speaker 2: Accountability, but it is acting the lives of so many people, yes, very.

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Speaker 3: Personally affecting people.

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Speaker 10: Whenever the government hit the rocks, they always go back

871
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 10: to what has worked for them and over the last

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00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 10: two years it's been COVID.

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Speaker 4: So if you just look at a purely.

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Speaker 10: Tactical from a purely tactical point of view, you know

875
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Speaker 10: what can they you know, help to reset the new

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00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 10: cycle with in the aftermath of the Rock trial, it's oh,

877
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Speaker 10: we're going back to COVID where we're proactive on COVID

878
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Speaker 10: by providing Chief Old Officer with all these powers. Unfortunately,

879
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Speaker 10: I don't think that people care too much about COVID anymore.

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Speaker 2: I pass, you know, we know it's still there, we

881
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: know it's still an issue, but it is no longer

882
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Speaker 2: right at the forefront for territories like a previously.

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Speaker 9: And the problem with this announcement is there's no justification

884
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Speaker 9: for it. If the government believed the chow should have

885
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 9: that power, then they have to have the stomach to

886
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 9: front up and extend the emerged state of emergency, right,

887
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 9: not just rip out the power from the state of

888
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 9: emergency so that in ninety days time they can turn

889
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 9: around and hold a press conference and say, oh, look

890
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 9: at us, we've got no state of emergence. And I

891
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 9: think that's where people see straight through the strategy by

892
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 9: the government, and it's if you're genuinely going to end

893
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 9: the state of emergency in ninety days, then all powers

894
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 9: of the Chow go to bed with that. But this

895
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 9: separates them out, gives them to the Chow for two years,

896
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Speaker 9: so that Natasha Fars and Michael Gonne can say, well done,

897
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Speaker 9: We've got no state of emergency.

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Speaker 3: It's rubbish.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one OW four point nine

901
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Speaker 2: three sixty. Matt Cunningham has had to run away a

902
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: couple of minutes early and well that's just about it

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Speaker 2: for us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, though, Gee, these petrol prices.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to a few businesses throughout the week and

906
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: heard the impact that the petrol prices are having on them.

907
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Speaker 2: Right now, they remain high, but my understanding is that

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Speaker 2: we're hopefully expecting them to come down somewhat Globally.

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Speaker 10: I think prices are coming down. How long that takes

910
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 10: to flow into you know, petrol bowsers here in the

911
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Speaker 10: territory remains remain.

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00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 9: We need retailers to respond, you know, commensurate with the

913
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 9: with the price drops.

914
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I'm not sure you've just pulled up

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Speaker 10: the screen.

916
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've just pulled up the screen. I believe that's

917
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Speaker 2: let me just double check. I think that that is

918
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: the diesel prices. Yes, it is around Darwin today, so

919
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Speaker 2: diesel remains pretty high at this point. Two eighteen is

920
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: the fairest you're going to find it right up to

921
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: two dollars twenty six. So I put eighty bucks worth

922
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: in my car yesterday. I can't even tell you the

923
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: last time I didn't just fill my car up. Felt

924
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: like a UNI student going, oh, I'll do ten dollars worth.

925
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: But it is expensive right now for people, and I

926
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Speaker 2: think all of us are just waiting for those prices

927
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Speaker 2: to come down. Let alone, if you're running a business,

928
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Speaker 2: like we heard from a builder earlier in the week,

929
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Speaker 2: and even those supermarkets as well, freighting food and all

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Speaker 2: their different goods in it's tough times for them businesses.

931
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Speaker 9: It certainly is, and of course those costs get passed done,

932
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 9: which we want to understand. You know, no one's saying

933
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 9: a business can survive shouldering that type of increase, but

934
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 9: you know there's going to be bigger impacts too, with

935
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 9: all of the floods and all of the terrible scenes

936
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 9: we're seeing on the Eastern seaboard. You know, with impact

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00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 9: on obviously meat, on fruit and vegetables. So it's a

938
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Speaker 9: it's a tough time for our nation and for their

939
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Speaker 9: you know, every day, every day territory.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

941
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Speaker 10: I think upcoming federal election will be an election on

942
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 10: the cost of living. Yeah, whether whether Scott Morrison wants

943
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 10: to change the focus toward national security or not, I

944
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 10: think there's still going to be a lot of questions

945
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Speaker 10: around the cost of living.

946
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it doesn't it hurts us most in out

947
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 5: because the terrich has got a lot of regional places,

948
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 5: remote places, bush communities, you know.

949
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Speaker 3: And not good public transport either.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so we need the fuel prices to come down.

951
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Speaker 1: Well, look at ten o'clock we are going to have

952
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Speaker 1: to leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Always great to have you all in the studio for

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Speaker 2: the week that was Leofanocchiaro, the Opposition leader, thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for.

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Speaker 9: Your time, Thank you and happy Holly for tomorrow, I'm

957
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 9: looking forward to the festival out at Lake Alexander at

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Speaker 9: East Point.

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Speaker 2: A big thanks to Matt Cunningham who has left us.

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Speaker 2: Tom Morgan from the NT and News, a big thank

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Speaker 2: you to you as well for your time this morning

962
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Speaker 2: and kesy Epuric.

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Speaker 1: We're going to