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Speaker 1: Welcome to the RAP, a weekly podcast covering women's sports

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Speaker 1: news bears.

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Speaker 2: What have we got around the grounds? This week?

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Speaker 3: Rugby Australia announces huge two million dollar funding boost, Ozzie's

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Speaker 3: kick off their T twenty World Cup in style, and

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Speaker 3: the Las Vegas aces in the WNBA are in some

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Speaker 3: trouble around alleged salary cap preachers.

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Speaker 1: For our key story, we'll discuss the girls' school that

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Speaker 1: has put an end to their Ossie Rules program due

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Speaker 1: to concerns around concussion.

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Speaker 2: My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm the founder of the Female Athlete Project, an Olympic

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Speaker 1: gold medalist and a Giant's AFOW player. Every week on

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Speaker 1: the show, I'm joined by my co host Bez, who's

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Speaker 1: one of our incredible team members here at TEFAP. He

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Speaker 1: looks after the research and merch and all the good stuff,

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Speaker 1: in addition to some amazing people doing some good stuff

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes at TEFAP. This podcast drops every Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 2: At six am.

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Speaker 1: your morning coffee. On a Tuesday, Let's take a look

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Speaker 1: around the grounds. That's me in rugby union. In some

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Speaker 1: very very exciting news over the weekend, Rugby Australia annow

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Speaker 1: it's the Australia's best fifteen A side. Players will receive

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Speaker 1: part time contracts the two million dollar investment in the

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Speaker 1: fifteen's game. We'll see thirty five players received between thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand and fifty two thousand dollars in Rugby Australia payments

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Speaker 1: for Wallaroos and SUPERW duties. So all SUPERW players which

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Speaker 1: is the domestic competition here in Australia, we'll get a

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Speaker 1: minimum payment of four thousand dollars from Rugby Australia plus

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Speaker 1: whatever money SUPERW clubs can or will pay their squads,

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Speaker 1: which is likely to range from one thousand dollars to

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for the seven week competition. We were

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Speaker 1: at last week before tough to say fundraising lunch for

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Speaker 1: the Warortars women.

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Speaker 4: It was an excellent lunch. You spoke very well at it.

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Speaker 3: But no, we've got some really fantastic support from people

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Speaker 3: out there in the community and the business space and

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Speaker 3: we're very excited to be able to compensate the girls

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Speaker 3: again this year. We did give them a nominal payment

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Speaker 3: last year, which pretty much would have just covered expenses,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, this year it's definitely going to bump up

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Speaker 3: thanks to our ra's contribution and as I said, the

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Speaker 3: awesomely generous support from our supporters, support support, support.

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Speaker 1: We love so much, supporting support cubed. So pretty much

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Speaker 1: the goal for the Wallaroos is that by twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five they're hopefully going to be full time professional athletes.

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Speaker 1: And the main reason we don't really need a reason.

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Speaker 1: They should have been full time a little while ago.

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Speaker 1: But the main push is for the Rugby World Cup

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Speaker 1: that's going to be on home soil in twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: So the new contract structure a bit of a push

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Speaker 1: towards making elite women's fifteens rugby fully professional and it's

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Speaker 1: the first step of the planned staged increase in investment

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Speaker 1: over the next five years. So it's a bit of background.

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Speaker 1: The Walleries were paid per DM fees on national duty

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Speaker 1: last year, a year that saw them need approximately fourteen

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of weeks off work.

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Speaker 4: You have to be a very very understanding employer.

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Speaker 1: Which is pretty much if you think about any part

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Speaker 1: time semi professional female athlete in the country at the moment,

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Speaker 1: there is not a single one that could have an

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Speaker 1: employer that wasn't flexible if they wanted to keep doing both.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: The difference between the full time nations and the rest

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Speaker 1: was pretty obvious, would we say absolutely?

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Speaker 2: In the World Cup in New Zealand, yeah.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, we obviously made it to the quarterfinals,

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Speaker 1: Another exciting component about the new CBA, the collective Bargaining

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Speaker 1: Agreement agree to between Rugby Australia, the Reaper, the Rugby

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Speaker 1: Union Players Association and the Super w Clubs, also contains

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Speaker 1: a parenting and pregnancy guideline for fifteen's players, in which

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Speaker 1: they will still be paid a full contract amount while

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Speaker 2: That's the stuff we love to see, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's a really really commendable part of the CBA. For sure,

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Speaker 3: well done everyone involved, very exciting times and also great

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Speaker 3: What's the go Everyone's med Elbow in last week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know he's getting around, isn't he.

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Speaker 4: You guys are besties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good time at Parliament House. Actually,

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Speaker 1: So I don't think his allegiance should lie with the

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Speaker 3: You touched it first, he bagged it absolutely And yeah,

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Speaker 3: so Wallaroos were at Kurability to announce it. And I

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Speaker 3: believe there was a little issue with Elbow's dog is

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Speaker 4: Fun times.

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Speaker 2: Who was that?

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Speaker 4: Adiana Talakai? That's funny. Abbot was very apologetic for Toto's business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why did he not pick it up in time?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure? Do you think he has a dog poop

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Speaker 4: picker upper up?

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Speaker 3: In cricket, the T twenty World Cup has kicked off

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Speaker 3: and the Ossi has produced an impressive performance against New

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Speaker 3: Zealand that put the rest of the tournament on it notice.

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Speaker 3: We could keep our Alisa Hay returned from injury and

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Speaker 3: Aussies took the ball, Megan shoot quickly removed Susie Bates

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Speaker 3: The Aussies next face Bangladesh in Port Elizabeth on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: morning AEDT before finishing the group stage with matches against

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Speaker 3: Sri Lanka on Friday and South Africa on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: How good, in rugby league on Saturday, the Malti Ferns

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Speaker 1: a hacker from her team mates. Before sharing her feelings

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Speaker 1: feeling coming home and bringing this special moment home. Can't

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Speaker 1: put it into words. I'm absolutely buggered.

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Speaker 2: What a game. Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Former New Zealand sevens player Gail Broughton, who's transferred across

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Speaker 1: I think last season was her first of NRLW and

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Speaker 1: I think she grew up playing league and always wanted

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Speaker 4: She's a special athlete.

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Speaker 2: She's very good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: WNBA in basketball WNBA champs the Las Vegas Aces under

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Speaker 3: investigation for a potential salary crap rule breach.

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Speaker 2: You know, just a hard sentence.

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Speaker 4: I just may have said crap. Sorry about that?

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Speaker 2: Do you say salary?

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Speaker 4: Krat I could of apologies everyone.

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Speaker 3: Sources have claimed it's already bit poo things Today's episodes.

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Speaker 3: Sources have claimed that the Aces made under the table

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Speaker 3: payment offers to players. The article claims that the players

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Speaker 3: agent would be advised by the Aces that they should

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Speaker 3: expect a phone call with a sponsorship offer from a particular,

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Speaker 3: pre selected company. The WNBA's CBA expressly forgives backdoor sponsorships

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Speaker 3: that seed they do not forgive them well sorry struggling here,

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Speaker 3: expressly forbids backdoor sponsorships that exceed fair market value. They

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Speaker 3: the fair market value in free agency, so the Aces

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Speaker 3: questions being raised of the recent New York Liberty signings.

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Speaker 3: Branda Stewart and Courtney Van der Slute, who probably two

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Speaker 3: of the best basketballers on the planet, reportedly both took

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Speaker 2: There does seem something that's not right about that.

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Speaker 3: Stuart signed a one year, one hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 2: It's not right to me.

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Speaker 3: Stuart referred to the Liberty's huge five hundred thousand dollar

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Speaker 3: When it comes to chartered flights. It does open that

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Speaker 3: kind of question around. You know, for me, the WNBA

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the thing is as you read

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Speaker 1: this about the Aces, and I don't sit here thinking

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Speaker 1: they've done the wrong thing. They're trying to pay their

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Speaker 1: players absolutely. I just I think you obviously haven't provided

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So owners are obviously getting creative trying to make their

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Speaker 3: teams desirable destinations for top free agents, and the WNBA

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Speaker 3: has a real issue on the hands given the emergence

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Speaker 3: CBA and salary cap attempts, obviously to spread the talent

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Speaker 3: across the lead. But if owners are willing to invest

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Speaker 3: in women's sport buy a T shirt from Capitals, should

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Speaker 3: they be hamstrung by those restrictions. The WBA has made

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Speaker 3: huge progress recently and under commission at Kathy Engelbert's leadership,

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Speaker 3: experienced massive investment and audience increases.

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Speaker 4: But as we said, those.

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Speaker 3: Restrictions on further investment in the players under the CBA

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Speaker 3: is surely counterintuitive when it comes to looking to expand

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Speaker 3: the league and pay the players what they deserve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you've touched on there like, obviously

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Speaker 1: the salary caps are in place to try and spread

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Speaker 1: that talent out, and we see that in a whole

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Speaker 1: range of leagues over in the US. Here in Australia

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Speaker 1: issues with talent almost being too concentrated in certain cities.

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Speaker 1: So I totally understand the reasoning for the salary cap.

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Speaker 1: But if you're starting to see we're seeing huge nil

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Speaker 1: deals the name, image and likeness deals that have come

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Speaker 1: out of college. But someone like Brianna Stewart.

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Speaker 2: Is so well known. We know Sabrini and.

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Speaker 1: Escu like, these are players that have these huge profiles,

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Speaker 1: who can earn really big money. And if you're putting

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Speaker 3: That second statement read in part, they told us that

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Speaker 3: We will continue to fight for everything we deserve and

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Speaker 1: I think that's still saying something in itself, the fact

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Speaker 2: How good is that?

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Speaker 4: Thank you preach.

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Speaker 1: The men deserve that treatment and we deserve the same.

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Speaker 1: Forty point one million people watch women's sport in the

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Speaker 1: We know that there's actually a lot of men that

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Speaker 3: previously the focus has been on ensuring that women's sport

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Speaker 3: is visible in broadcasts, which remains really important. To ensure

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Speaker 3: the commercial sustainability of women's sport, we need to maintain

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Speaker 3: and grow the time that fans are consuming women's sport content.

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Speaker 3: A big focus for the industry in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: should be how to continue to build visibility across all platforms,

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Speaker 3: not just TV, as this will help build connection and

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Speaker 3: habit with women's sport, which in time can then be

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Speaker 3: commercialized content.

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Speaker 2: People content engage with women's sport content.

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Speaker 3: You and Riley manufactured, produced, created, ripped off and he

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Speaker 3: choose one of the above. An awesome little post from

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Speaker 3: someone recently about the things that you can do for

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Speaker 3: absolutely free that will help women's sport.

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Speaker 1: For absolutely free, found by Riley and put together by

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Speaker 1: Stinger who's helping out with some of our social media stuff.

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Speaker 4: That one loved it.

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Speaker 2: We shared five thousands of people. It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and loved it and that is. That's the reality.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't cost a lot to engage in content and

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Speaker 3: it will result in commerce in benefits for the athletes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Let's take a look at the key story.

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Speaker 3: This one's about concussion. Queenwood is a private girls school

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Speaker 3: in Mossmouth on Sydney's north Shore, and last week they

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Speaker 3: confirmed that they have banned AFL in the school for

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Speaker 3: fear of long term brain injuries. Queenwood principal Elizabeth Stone

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Speaker 3: said in a statement, it's quite a long one to

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Speaker 3: hang on, but she kind of steps out pretty well.

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Speaker 3: At Queenwood, we loved everything about Australian rules football except

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Speaker 3: for the risk of trauma to the brain. We did

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Speaker 3: an extensive review of the research, drawing on expert advice,

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Speaker 3: and what we found concerned us. There were three decisive factors.

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Speaker 3: The first was the mounting evidence that adolescents are at

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Speaker 3: greater risk of brain injury than either children or adults.

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Speaker 3: The second was that the data is showing that females

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Speaker 3: experienced concussion more frequently and more severely than males. This

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Speaker 3: meant that our students, teenage girls, were in the highest

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Speaker 3: risk category. And a third factor, which is not widely

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Speaker 3: understood is that the damage accumulates over time from any

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Speaker 3: impact to the head, include subconcussive impacts. It's like clocking

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Speaker 3: up charges on a credit card with an unknown but

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Speaker 3: catastrophic credit limit. While individuals vary in how many blows

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Speaker 3: the head they can sustain before crossing the threshold to

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Speaker 3: detectable brain injury, we weren't comfortable with the idea that

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Speaker 3: our students would be pushing closer to that limit on

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Speaker 3: our watch.

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Speaker 4: They have a lifetime ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: We phased out Australia Uls football with reluctance, but real

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Speaker 3: certainty on the basis of the evidence that it was

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Speaker 3: in their best interests.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a school like Queenwood. They've obviously done

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Speaker 1: significant research. They haven't just picked this up out of

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Speaker 1: the blue and made this decision like as you can

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Speaker 1: see there. It's what they're saying is true in terms

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Speaker 1: of what the research is currently saying about who the

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Speaker 1: highest risk categories are quite interesting because one of my

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Speaker 1: Giant's teammates, Nicola Barr, went to Queenwood and was part

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Speaker 1: of the push Fozzy rules to be played in schools

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Speaker 1: and at Queenwood in particular, and she was interviewed on

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Speaker 1: seven News after this announcement, and she said, I know

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Speaker 1: that my life now certainly wouldn't be what it was

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Speaker 1: if I hadn't been given the opportunity to play at

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Speaker 1: Queenwood when I was sixteen or seventeen. I know how

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Speaker 1: much AFL has given me, and I know how much

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Speaker 1: AFL has given other girls who went to Queenwood, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important for us to promote girls

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Speaker 1: and let them play as much sport as they can.

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Speaker 1: It's really empowering. It develops so much resilience, and we

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Speaker 1: can see the benefits of girls playing sports. She said

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Speaker 1: that she believes investing in quality coaches and training to

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Speaker 1: help players learn the sport in safe environments is key.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's probably the point I wanted to

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Speaker 1: touch on, and probably the question that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: raise was whose decision is it to make. Is it

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Speaker 1: the school's decision to make or is it the parents

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Speaker 1: of the children that are participating in the sport, Because

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I think the school can provide

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Speaker 1: the opportunity and the parents can then weigh up the risk.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really important for the school to present

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Speaker 1: the information ends can actually put different things in place.

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Speaker 1: If they say we want our daughter to play footy,

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Speaker 1: they can actually put things in place to ensure that

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Speaker 1: their daughter gets access to tackle coaching from a younger age,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's one of the huge factors is

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Speaker 1: that girls playing contact sports haven't necessarily grown up like

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Speaker 1: boys have, learning how to tackle from a very young age,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of time we see concussions in Aussie Rules,

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Speaker 1: in rugby and different sports from girls who who have

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Speaker 1: recently learned to tackle.

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Speaker 3: And it's not this is not just an AFL problem.

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Speaker 3: This is a contact sport problem. And this is it

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Speaker 3: doesn't even necessarily have to be a contact sport. You

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Speaker 3: can hit your head playing a whole range of sports.

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Speaker 3: I hit my head once really hard doing backstroke.

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Speaker 4: But no honesty, is that a true story. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: is swimming dangerous, people cancel it in school.

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Speaker 3: No, But in all honesty, it is a contact sport

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Speaker 3: issue and we're seeing it, you know, across the board

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Speaker 3: at the moment, and I think what yourself and Nick

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Speaker 3: Barr said is absolutely on the money.

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Speaker 4: What matters and what can.

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Speaker 3: Help this is introducing safety measures, making sure the right

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Speaker 3: people are in place to be coaching these kids making

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Speaker 3: sure that that introduction to the sport one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest things, and it's one of the things that as

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Speaker 3: a coach I think is super important is this kind

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Speaker 3: in any kind of sport, is learning how to fall

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Speaker 3: properly one of the things that we kind of forget about.

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Speaker 3: It's not natural for a lot of people. Kids fall

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Speaker 3: really well, they're used to falling over right. Once you

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Speaker 3: get to that kind of adolescent stage, you forget learning

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Speaker 3: how to fall properly, all those little things that actually

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Speaker 3: really matter. And I think that, you know, the sports

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Speaker 3: in general would probably be really really benefit from a

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Speaker 3: framework about introducing young females to these contact sports in

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Speaker 3: a controlled and very informative way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, And I think what's important to

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Speaker 1: highlight here, Bears. You and I both are very well

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Speaker 1: aware of the risk of concussion and how serious it is,

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Speaker 1: and we know there's always research being done. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if people have seen the movie Concussion, It's worth

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Speaker 1: It's worth a watch. It's a little bit scary.

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Speaker 3: Very scary, and as someone who played over two hundred

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Speaker 3: games of rugby in the front row and suffered and

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Speaker 3: to be honest, a fairly large number of concussions. It

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Speaker 3: is very confronting. But would I, you know, even knowing

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Speaker 3: that now, would I change my decision? Absolutely not, because

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Speaker 3: rugby gave me so much more. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: another thing that Nick kind of touches on there, that

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Speaker 3: you know, you have to weigh up the risk of

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Speaker 3: concussion and potential long term damage with the health and

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Speaker 3: social benefits that are provided by sports, especially you know,

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Speaker 3: for me, team sports, that interaction, friendships, you know, all

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Speaker 3: of resilience, as Nick touched on, that's a for me

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Speaker 3: at the moment that absolutely outweighs the risk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm obviously still playing sport, and I find it

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Speaker 1: really interesting to read. I get a little bit scared

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Speaker 1: sometimes reading some of the data about concussion because it

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Speaker 1: is a little bit confronting and I think some of

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Speaker 1: the unknowns about what the trauma to your brain can do.

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Speaker 2: But I think.

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Speaker 1: I'm very similar in that I weigh up what football

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Speaker 1: brings me, and I think you could put things in

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Speaker 1: place to mitigate the risk, like with a whole range

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Speaker 1: of different factors in life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very true.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if the school removing the sport

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Speaker 1: altogether is the right answer in this case.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what to watch.

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Speaker 3: The Women's T twenty World Cup continues on Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 3: when the Aussies take on Bangladesh.

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Speaker 4: You can catch all the action live on KO and Foxtelle.

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Speaker 3: I believe KO have made it all the matches freebies,

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Speaker 3: so yeah they are, which is great news. Bowl off,

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Speaker 3: bat off. The game starts at four am a DT.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, pep off ball off, bat off?

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Speaker 4: Oh what do you reckon? The first ball will be

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Speaker 4: bold is probably the correct terminology, just like off.

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Speaker 2: You you like all the offs, the bounce off and.

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Speaker 3: The bounce off is my favorite because it upsets all

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Speaker 3: of my Victorian in laws.

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Speaker 1: In soccer. The Matilda is a home for the Nation's Cup.

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Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? Yeah, that's exactly what it's called.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure? Maybe I don't think it is.

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Speaker 3: It was pretty late last night. Yeah, Cup of Nations. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was a word jumble. You can all figure it out.

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Speaker 1: The Matilda is a home for the Cup of Nations

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Speaker 1: and we'll face Czech Republic on Thursday. The kickoff is

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Speaker 1: at Central Coast Stadium seven ten pm. You can watch

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Speaker 1: live and free on the ten network.

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Speaker 4: Go to the Tillies, Yeah the Tillis.

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Speaker 3: Don't miss the top of the Table clash between the

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Speaker 3: towns Will Fight and Melbourne Boomers.

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Speaker 4: This Wednesday night.

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Speaker 3: Tip off at the Townsville Entertainment Center is six thirty

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Speaker 3: pm local time, which is fine thirty pm a e

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Speaker 3: d T.

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Speaker 4: And it's live on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Go the fire and that's the wrap.

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Speaker 4: See you next week. That was great. Love how Orange

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Speaker 4: We are Orange for life.

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