WEBVTT - BUTT GRABS AND PAY GAPS - Uncut with Jessica Mauboy 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.320 Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.720 Australia and their connections to land. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.600 Sea and community. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.799 We pay our respect to their elders past and present 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.960 and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:16.120 Islander peoples today. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.560 This episode is recorded on Gaddigal Land of the Aurora Nation. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.720 Hi guys, and i'll welcome back to another episode of 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.640 Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, And can I 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:47.680 just say, Laura, you look particularly good today. 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.720 I mean you always look good, but something about you 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:50.960 today looks extra good. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.640 I think I'm just wearing a shirt that you haven't 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:54.160 seen before, and as. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.080 We do have, Laura and I have a really bad 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.160 habit of wearing the same thing every single day. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.600 But you look really he's looking great. Your outfit looks great. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:03.680 I just wanted to propy on it. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.280 I mean, I'm gonna take that and I'm going to 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.360 run with it because I've actually been feeling very self 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.280 conscious this weekend because i have a fierce case of 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.720 perioral dermatatis that's come back up on my face. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.440 Well, if it makes you feel better, you can't notice 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.360 it on your face. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.920 Just so you know, it's because I'm wearing makeup. And 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.360 everybody who gets periolderm dermatic. I can't even say the word. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.120 Everyone who can't say it. Times if you get PD, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.160 I know that you're going to get into my DMS 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.959 and say, yeah, Shure, don't wear a breakup when you've 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.640 got bada. But the thing is is that if you've 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.120 got it, then you have to wear makeup because you 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:35.559 don't want to leave the house without it. But anyway, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.640 that's on my face right now. Yay, let's tell you 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.920 what today's episode is. So today's episode, we are interviewing 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.960 Jessica Mawboy. She is the fucking dream. I can't even 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.120 tell you how absolutely divine this woman is. She also 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.800 sang through the entire episode and it really made me happy. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.160 But we're talking to jess not only about her music career, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.680 but also because we love love here at Life Funk 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.760 Cut about how she managed to do long distance with 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.400 her who she's been with for fifteen years. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.400 And I had a real moment Laura in that interview, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.240 and I think I might have been not cool enough, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.720 and I told Jesse I had a real moment where 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.960 I thought, oh my god, I am living my dream. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.040 I am getting to speak to these people that I 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.040 grew up admiring and I grew up listening to and watching, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.040 and now I'm sitting in a room talking to them. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.200 Because it's pretty easy to forget that sometimes. But I 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:24.960 had this real reality check where I was like, I'm 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.280 fangirling hard and. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.359 Realizing that we're nowhere near as cool as her. She's 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.640 exactly so cool, I said to her. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.120 I was like I had to interrupt her in a 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:33.560 sentence while I was like, I just need to be 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:34.480 as cool as How. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.040 Do I be as cool as She's like, It'll never 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.880 happen bringing anyone who asked anyone asks how to be cooler? 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.120 Will never be helping cool. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:47.280 Okay, Jess is an absolute dream boat. She's so interesting, 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.519 she has such an interesting life. She became famous very 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:51.320 very young. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.760 She came into the spotlight in two thousand and six 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.960 on Idol, Australian Idol, and I think the incredible thing 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.760 about this story is that just didn't even win Australian Idol, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.440 but she definitely gone on to become the most famous 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.440 from that season. If not, well, I mean I shouldnt 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:05.919 say from the entire thing. I know Guy was from 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.880 there as well, but she's one of the most famous 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.239 people that have come out of music related reality TV 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:11.200 in Australia. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.560 Speaking of Guy coming full circle, they both now I 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.920 want to say hosting, but they're not their coaches on 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.360 the Voice. So they've come from being contestants to winning 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.760 slash almost winning, to now being on the other side. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.119 And there has been some stuff going around in the news. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.000 I don't know if anyone's seen about the pay discrepancy 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.519 for the coaches. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:30.720 On the Voice. 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.840 Yeah, so basically they've got Rita Aura, They've got Keith Urban, 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.480 they've got Guy Sebastian and then also Jessica Malboy and 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.000 it's been reported pretty widely in news recently that Jessica 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.880 is being paid the least out of all of the 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.960 stars and being paid the least by far. So we 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.280 actually get into that in the conversation as well. We 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.960 ask her how she feels about it and what has 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.840 been the outcome of it, and yeah, that is all 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.560 coming up on today's episode. But before we get into that, 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.840 there is something that has happened very recently in the 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.760 news that I wanted to bring up have chat about 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.920 and we do have Brinnany Hockley's beautiful sister Sherry here 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.360 with us today to discuss this. Now, Barbie, which is Mattel, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.400 has just released a barbie that is wearing hearing aids, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:16.880 so inclusivity around hearing loss and around deafness. This is 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.840 part of the inclusivity range that they have been working on. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.560 They first released the range in two thousand and nine, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.640 but steadily have been adding more dolls to that collection. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.760 So Sherry, welcome to Life on Cut. Thanks for jumping 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.600 in the studio today. Also, I say jumping in the studio, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.279 you are literally sleeping in this room. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.040 Sure, we just had to fold the mattress up. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.120 In the room so if you could record, Welcome. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:39.279 Thank you. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.280 This is not your first appearance. Actually you have done 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:42.760 an episode before, but it's been. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.680 A little while, and we did when you were on 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.479 our show last I mean, we talked about nutrition, but 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.000 you also spoke about what your experience was like and 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.800 how it has been wearing hearing aids, going through the 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.200 process of knowing that you needed to wear hearing aids 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.200 but then finally accepting and actually wearing them, And a 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.320 part of it was because you talked about the judgment 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.320 that you felt at the time. Yeah, I did. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.719 There is still such a stigma on hearing aids. I 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.320 think we think it is an old person's thing. And 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.000 then I guess when I got told that I was 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.400 hard of hearing and needed hearing aids, even as a 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.120 young adult, I thought, oh my god, everyone's gonna be 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.160 able to see them. This is such an old person's thing, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.120 and it was, Yeah, it was. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:20.080 It was hard to accept that I. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.159 Was going to have to wear hearing aids forever. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.680 And just to get some people up to speed that 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.320 haven't maybe listened to the episode that you were on, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.120 just tell everyone quickly when you were diagnosed and how 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.919 you were diagnosed with your loss of hearing. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.359 So I think you helped diagnose me, Brittany, because you 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.800 told me that I couldn't hear anything that you were saying. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.640 Yeah, probably didn't say it that nicely. I was like, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:39.760 why are you listening to me? 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.360 So my hearing loss is genetic, So it comes from 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.480 as you know, our mother, our brother also has hearing loss, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.640 and it is something that has just happened gradually. And 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.279 I suppose in my late teens early twenties, is when 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.279 people around me started noticing that I was not picking 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:56.880 up on things. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.279 I wasn't getting jokes. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.359 Well, I was like, why that's really funny, whyn't you laughing? 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.040 I wasn't getting jokes. I was missing ends of conversations. 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.359 I was missing words. So I got my hearing checked 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.280 and I am at about a forty percent loss. So 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.760 I am somebody who thankfully can get through life and 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:14.640 work and the day. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.800 But I do, yeah, I do get a lot of 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.920 benefit from my hearing aids. And with something like this, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.080 and specifically talking about Mattel and Barbie bringing out a 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.520 doll that's wearing hearing aids, what impact do you think 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.479 this has in terms of inclusivity. I think it is 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.719 going to be huge. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.920 So when we grew up, Barbie's were, you know, skinny 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.080 and blonde and hot boobs and. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.320 Unrealistic. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.520 If you actually took her measurements, she would fall over, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:39.800 she would not be able to stand up. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 I don't think her stomach realistically could have actually housed 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.640 her organs. I think it's going to be so important, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.800 not just for children growing up that are hard of 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.960 hearing or death and wear hearing devices to see and 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.360 play a doll that looks like them, but also for. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.479 Children who don't wear hearing devices to play with a 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.920 doll that doesn't look like them. And that's really going 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.320 to encourage and celebrate that children are different and that 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.279 it's not weird. You know, when we were little and 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.360 you see a kid with hearing aids, do kids think 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.560 that person's stupid or that person can't speak. So I 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.880 think it's going to encourage, yeah, people just to be 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.680 more accepting, and I think it's going to be really 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.080 important for kids to see themselves represented well. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:17.200 I think this is one of the big things that 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.040 we spoke about before we jumped on here, is this 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.840 idea that hearing loss that there is some sort of 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.360 synergy between being not intelligent, and that's the thing that 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.280 people draw the bullying that goes on in schools is 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.440 that some kids think, well, because this person can't hear properly, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.440 that therefore they don't understand or they aren't as intelligent, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.000 which obviously is completely untrue. But being able to have 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.440 this thing that represents something that maybe not all children 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.920 are exposed to, it breaks down the bias and it 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.760 stops kids from being like that's the unknown and puts 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.800 it into their own bedrooms, it puts it into their 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.960 own playgrounds, and it makes it something that's very very accessible. 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.280 Well, Barbie has released this deaf barbie, so she actually 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.440 has you guys can google it. But she's really really cute. 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.080 She's got these. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.400 Little pink hearing aids and they match her lipstick. She's 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.520 got pink lipsy gone with. But they have a whole 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.840 range of other barbies. They've had thirty five plus skin 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.120 tones in their range now ninety four plus hairstyles, and 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:11.000 nine different body types. They also have a barbie in 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.960 a wheelchair. They have barbies with prosthetics, and they have 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.679 this one I think is really really cool and should 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.880 have been done a very long time ago. But they 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.800 have a barbie that suffers from the skin condition vitta ligo. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.160 Now you guys might know the very very famous model, 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.880 beautiful model Winnie Harlowe, who famously has vittle ligo, and 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.320 she's completely owned that. They've now got a Kendle, so 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.600 a male version that has the same disease. And I 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.080 just can't imagine what this is going to do for 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.080 little children to realize and see this growing up, that 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.080 this is in fact normal and they don't have to 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:44.880 do a double take when they see somebody that has 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.199 this condition because it's been put into their life from 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:48.240 a really young age. 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.600 Well, I think the interesting part about this whole conversation 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.160 and I know that, like, we can celebrate the inclusivity 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.280 of where Barbie is headed, and that it's amazing that 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.720 as a company, Mattel has evolved with the times, and 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.559 that they has been an evolution of the doll. But 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.560 I don't think that we can have this conversation without 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.640 acknowledging the fact that the original Barbie has contributed over 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.920 the years so much to the social stereotypes of how 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.880 a woman should look. And I know that we all 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.200 grew up with exactly like you said, Sherry, the original Barbie, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.560 which was blonde hair, tiny waists, big boobs, skinny legs, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.760 high heels, and that was the norm for so long, 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.960 and I think that it did so much damage in 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.319 our perception around what women should look like or what 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.640 is beauty not just women, but like what is our 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.000 beauty standards? And so it's so amazing to see that 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.760 that has shifted with the times. Does it go far 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.200 enough to undo the damage that was done over the 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.960 past sixty years. I mean, I don't know as. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.840 A small child, when we are so susceptible to other 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.440 people's opinions of us massively, Like I have learned to 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.480 not really care what people think of me now, but 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.840 that's because I'm thirty two years old. But even at 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.200 like you said, I was early to mid twenties when 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.680 I found out I needed hearing aids and it was 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.920 hard then. I can only imagine how hard it would 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.520 be as a small child, not only not seeing myself represented, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.840 but having other kids, you know, gawk at me at 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.040 school and bullying and all that sort of things. It 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.240 would have been so much harder. So I am very, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.360 very excited to see that it's becoming so much more 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.720 normalized because so many young Aussies are hard of hearing 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.119 and use hearing devices. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.080 Was there a time where you were like adverse to 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.719 using them? Like, were you told that you needed to 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.320 use hearing aids and then you were like fuck that? 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.040 At well totally sent them. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.520 Back, I said, yeah, I did. 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:29.760 So. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.440 I got my first set in my mid twenties and 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.040 I trialed them and I hated them. I hated how 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.840 they looked, I hated how they felt I felt like 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.320 I couldn't adjust to them, So anyone out there who 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.720 is hard of hearing would know that you never truly 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.600 get one hundred percent used to them. I like, that's 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.720 why I'm not wearing them right now, because the feedback 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.760 of both of you laughing would be too much and 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.040 overwhelming for me. So I do take them out, so 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.480 it's really hard to get used to. I sent them back. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.320 I think I also wasn't quite ready to accept that 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.520 I needed hearing aids, so I thought, oh no, I 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.040 can manage. You know, I can still work and it's 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.880 not that hard, and I'll just play the you know, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.559 oh haha, I can't hear, don't worry about me kind 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:06.880 of thing. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.120 Also thinking like this is a piece of technology or 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.680 a device that I'm now going to have to use 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.000 every day. Like from one step you're like, this is 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.599 my life, and then you're like, cool, now this is 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.040 a core part of my life. And it feels probably 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.600 like it's a much bigger deal than it actually has 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:19.880 to be. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.439 Yeah, it's really not a big deal, but we I 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.560 think we make it a much bigger deal than it 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.120 needs to be. And like I said, I sent my 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.680 first step back because I really wasn't ready and I thought, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.680 I'm just gonna wait until it gets worse, which is 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.400 so stupid because I would have really benefited from them 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.120 in those years that I just put up with it. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.040 And you know, prelude conversations with if I ignore you, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.160 I'm not being rude, hahaha, I'm just deaf. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:41.960 Don't do that. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:42.360 People. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.400 If you are hard of hearing, please reach out for help, 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.680 because we know that people that don't reach out for 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.120 help are more susceptible to depression and things like that. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.000 They're more susceptible to not being employed, or if they 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.280 are employed. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.320 They are less productive at work. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.199 So there is absolutely no shame in If you think 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.559 you may need hearing aids or you may have some 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.920 sort of hearing loss, go get a free test. It 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.920 is free in all the hearing testings around Australia and 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.920 then you can get a good idea. And Brittany, that's you. 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:09.400 You're next. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.679 Well, yes, I imagine I'll need hearing aids in the next 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.720 ten years if the family history is correct. Good on 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.720 Mattel for finally jumping on board and really pushing this 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.680 in the right direction. And Sherry, thank you for jumping 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.440 on today and sharing your little journey and how. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:23.080 It's affected you. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.320 And I think again, if anyone hasn't listened to Sherry's podcast, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.199 give it a Google. She talks about it a lot there. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.720 Give it a Google, you know what I mean. Search 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.640 it in a podcast, searched on the intwebs. No, but 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.719 have a listen, and I'm sure we've got a bunch 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:36.719 of new listeners show that you have just helped by 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.959 sharing your journey again, so thank you. And I'm taking 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.000 offense that you took your hearing aids out because you 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.280 said off record that my laugh wouldn't go down well 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:46.120 in your hearings. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.680 I said your cackle would not translate through my hearing 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:49.400 aids very well. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:50.960 Anyway, love that for me. 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.760 All right, let's get into accidentally unfiltered slash confessional. I know, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.319 I want to say, I'm pretty sure actually some of 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.840 you guys might not know this, but we actually unfiltered 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:04.080 as kind of bold over time. Sometimes we do actually unfiltered. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.600 Sometimes we do confessionals. And Brittany has a confessional for 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:08.160 us today. 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.720 I've got a confessional that I just thought was really funny. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.320 I want to know who you would do this, I 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.240 became pretty okay friends with my flatmate. We were around 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.560 the same age and had lived together for a few months. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.160 She started seeing this guy that I had a big 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.160 crush on. It was Valentine's Day and there was a 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.400 knock on the door. I answered it to the biggest 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.319 bunch of flowers and a card from this guy addressed 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.319 to my flatmate. It was honestly the most romantic thing 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.720 I had seen. I hate to admit this, but I 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.560 was so jealous that I threw the card out and 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.280 pretended that the flower was for me. She was so 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.080 upset that he didn't get her anything, and she didn't 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.560 believe him when he said, I promise I sent you 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.560 flowers to make it worse. When she complained to me 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.520 about him, I really doubled down on how shitty it was, 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.200 and she deserved better. I felt so bad ever since, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.480 and I've been single a long time. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:00.400 I think it's karma. 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:01.920 What the fr. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.560 I'm laughing out of disbelief because somebody. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:11.640 Would do this, like okay, I can't absolve that. 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.280 I think it is so funny and funny, funny in 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.679 like it's mean, like they could have gone you who 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.360 knows they could have gone and got married, you could 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:21.840 have stopped something in its tracks. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.360 But I hasn't been that jealous. Look, I take it back. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.560 You've obviously you're obviously going through a hard time. You've 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:29.560 had some time to reflect. You know, you don't ride 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:34.800 in here for judgment. I just think, surely, surely doesn't 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.080 he come over, like, wouldn't he have seen the flowers? 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.000 Like were they doing long distance or something like why 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.160 didn't he see that there was a present that had 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:42.880 been sent? And then was like, hey, I'm pretty sure 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:44.840 they're the flowers I bought, since they're I don't know, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.280 identical to the photo online. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.600 I just reckon, there's been a big blow up. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:49.920 I reckon. She's just gone to him. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.120 Obviously there's some sort of discussion about, like, you better 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:53.960 get me something from Valentine's Day, to the point that 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.600 he's like, I promise you I did, and she's like, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:56.800 well I didn't. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.280 This is why you have to lower your expectations. I 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.600 don't expect anything for Valentine's Day or Mother's Day or anything. Honestly, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.280 I this year was convinced that Matt was going to 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.520 forget Mother's Day, and so I did not that I did 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.960 a whole lot of stories about shitty Mother's Day gifts, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.320 just to try and like really drive it home. And 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.640 I woke up in the morning and there was a 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.360 bunch of flowers money. They were dried flowers, and I 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.880 hate drive flowers. But it was still seldom from the neighbor. No, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:21.840 do you know what this isn't about me? But this 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.920 year he wrote me the best Mother's Day card. It 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.640 made me so happy. It must be nice. Okay, that's 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.920 read yours. Coming back to this confessional for one second, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.000 I think that it's a bit mean to try and 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:34.720 sabotage your friend's relationship. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.280 I don't think we can absolve this one. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:38.120 No. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.960 Look, say a few Hail Mary's and you're absolved, all right. Okay, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.520 this is my accidentally unfiltered that's not mine, it's come in. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.480 This is I read this one out to Matt and 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.640 he had a good truckle, so hopefully you guys do too. Okay, 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.840 So I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.280 I have my period, so of course I wore my 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.280 favorite period undies. I then woke up and I went 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.040 to rinse the mat. It was pretty early in the morning. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.400 And my boyfriend was still in bed, so I rinsed 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.800 them out in his sink, and then I thought, well, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.400 I might as well wash them a little bit with 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.280 the hand soap because I had to put them in 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.280 a plastic bag and put them in my handbag for 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.360 the day because I was going to work, so I 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:13.360 didn't want them to smell or get all weird, so 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.680 I just decided i'd wash them in the sink with 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.120 some hand soap. Anyways, the sink then gets clogged or 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.320 it's stuck or something has happened. But the bloody water, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.080 the bloody soapy water that is full to the brim, 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.280 is not going down. Oh my god, I fucking panic, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.240 mind you, the sink is crimson red. Then I realized 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.720 I have to get the water out of the sink. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.120 It's the only way to solve the problem. So there 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.680 I am standing, no pants on taking the water out 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.280 of the sink when my boyfriend flings the door open 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.080 and I am mid ferrying the water from the sink 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.400 into the toilet using his toothbrush. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.400 Pop ha, how she just had to say, what does. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:59.240 She used it? Using his empty toothbrush pup full of 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.120 bloody red wa and He obviously was like, what the 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.320 fuck are you doing? And then she wrote my life. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.560 Can I just give you one piece of advice, This 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.680 is why you use a moon cup. Ladies and gentlemen 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.399 are mind period undies? 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:12.479 I wear period undies. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.639 Well, I'm sure this girl minds that she wore period 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.720 onneties on this particular day. This is a prime example 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:20.680 of when you should use the mooncr. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.600 Pritty, We've had period undy sponsored the PODCA. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:23.480 Yeah. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.200 Sure where I wear them. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.399 I wear them to bed at my own home, But 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.040 I'm not going to go to someone else's home when 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:30.400 I know I have to rinse them out and put 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.000 them in a plastic bag and then put them in 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.480 my handbag to sit in my handbag for a whole 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:35.320 day work, when. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.600 I could just put a minute cup through. This is 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.680 like pick your time. Yeah, don't play the away game 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.040 with your period undies. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.600 Don't pay anyway, It's just not worth the risk. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:47.359 Okay. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.160 Off the back of that, I think there's no better 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.680 time to get into the chat with Jess And can 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.640 I just say, do you ever think that our guests 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.920 hear the ship we talk about before we introduce them 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.919 and are just like, why the fuck am I following that? Yes, yes, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.080 I literally think that every single episode. Anyway, let's get 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:08.760 into the chat with Jess. Jess Malboy is one of 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.920 Australia's most successful female artists. She has achieved six top 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.840 ten albums and sixteen top twenty singles. Because the albums 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.800 wasn't enough. She has won two Arian Music Awards and 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.400 was ranked sixteenth on the Herald Son's list of one 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.880 hundred Greatest Australian Singers of all time. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.720 She looks shocked as I'm saying this, like she doesn't know. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.040 Jess has collaborated with several international artists such as Flow Writer, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.560 Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Jay Shawn and Pitbull. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.560 Laura didn't know who Pitbull was, but we'll leave that 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:36.920 to other day world one. 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:38.919 That's embarrassing for me. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.119 She has toured with beyond saying. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.160 She's also an amazing actress and known just as an 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.600 all round nice girl. What an intro, Jess, now boy, 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.320 is there anything you can't do? 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.760 Tap dance? You tap it? I can't do a backflip 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:54.480 this time? 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.480 We can work on that. No, Jess, Welcome to life 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.600 on HI. Thank you for finding the time today. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.199 Thank you here. Thank you so very much for having me. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.600 I like that when you sat down, I was trying 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.520 to explain to you how the microphones work. And then 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.280 I was like, Laura, this is definitely not the first 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.199 time you sat in front of. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.440 A Microsoft just as first. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.040 Sometimes, no, trust me, Like when I'm in a studio 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:16.160 and I'm working on some new stuff for writing new 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.800 material music. You know, I have a lot of producers 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.240 that you know do the same because I often kind 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.320 of go off mic and I do a thing where 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.680 I'm just doing my uncut version of how I'm singing physically, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.719 because I you know, when I am in a studio, 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.159 I sing physically different. So I got to project a 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.000 lot more when you don't have an audio because you're 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.159 you know, you're in a box, and so you have 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.240 to really tell your story. So you have to be 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.080 completely naked and tell the story and be your most vulnerable. 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.119 I normally do that really well when I'm in front 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:43.720 of people. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.360 You know, I about to say it's part of the opposite. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.359 Is that really hard when you're in this little box, 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.000 you're on your own, and you just know there's like 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.159 ten people looking at you like you're a Zoo Animal 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:52.800 through the Glass? 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.440 Is it hard to get really emotional? 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.359 Well, I like to work with only two producers, well, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.280 a producer and a songwriters, so there's literally just three 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.280 of us normally in a studio space. But yeah, when 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.640 there is a lot of people, that can be scary. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.560 But I think the most people can be the most 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.320 naked because you're literally just filtering and you don't have 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:14.720 any reaction. 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.439 When you're saying that you're there and you're like expressing yourself. 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.240 I mean, firstly, before we get more into how you 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.560 write your songs and how you've gotten into music, we 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.840 do do this thing called accidentally unfiltered, where you tell 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:25.800 your embarrassing story. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.080 Yes, don't think you can the very the very. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.919 First time, when you just said and then I'm standing 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.560 in this box naked, I was like, fuck, that's going 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:31.760 to be. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:32.680 A great story. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.520 Are you meant vulnerable? I get it now? Yeah, yeah, totally. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:39.320 Imagine. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.719 Wow. I was like, oh we got there quickly. Just 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:44.840 what is your accidentally unfiltered story? 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.000 I think it takes me back to when I was 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.119 about eleven years old. I have three older sisters and 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.720 one younger sister, so yeah, I'm pretty much in the middle, 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.760 and I thinking of beauty, taking it back to kind 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.239 of beauty and discovering myself and what as you do 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:59.919 when you're that age and when you have older sis, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.400 does you kind of pick up on things that they do? 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.640 And I remember one morning, you know, my sister used 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.480 to you know, shape her eyebrows, and I don't know, 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:13.560 in my mind, I thought this tool which I've obviously 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.520 discovered that it was called a shaver, thought that's what 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.320 made the shape of the eyebrows. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:19.840 And so I went into. 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:23.520 The bathroom and it was it was school morning, and 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.480 literally got the shaver out and put it towards you know, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.960 my eyebrow, lent it on there, and then just went across, 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.000 you know, did that cross thing took my whole eyebrow 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.760 off and you and I just. 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.080 Thought, hang on, what is going on? 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:40.040 Like hang on? 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.560 I just boiled my eye screen and I bore my 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.520 eyes out, and I was so embarrassed because I knew, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.040 you know, my parents were very much like, you know, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.600 you don't need makeup, you don't need any of these 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:55.679 things your eyebrows. Yeah. I just remember, like, you know, 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.080 being in front of my dad's face and he's like 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.000 you're a little silly girl. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.000 He told me. I remember that, and and I just. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.760 I was like, I can't go to school, and he 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:06.959 made me go to school. And I remember like just 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.360 like sweeping my my my bangs at the time over 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.479 one eyebrow. Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing. I had no idea. 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.439 I feel like this is something that we can all 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:17.800 relate to as teenagers. 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:18.920 We are sh. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.000 We all over parked so to the point of like 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.240 it was the smallest little taility and but you just. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:25.760 Took it one. 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:27.440 I did the whole thing. 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:28.760 You were in the whole kitodle. 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.720 I mean, I grew up hard during the nineties though, 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.120 so like having no eyebrows just kind of in fashion 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.480 and beyond mine is still recovery to this day. 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:38.320 Took it to another level. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.000 Just talking about your childhood. You grew up in the 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.439 Northern Territory, what the early years like like, what was 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.360 just like when she was a little girl before she 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.359 became the super megastar that you are today. 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.280 It was pretty It was kind of a bit of 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.800 a breeze and we had to use our imagination. It 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:53.679 was always kind of go in the water holes and 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:55.960 you know, we'd kind of check if there was any 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.000 crocs in there before we'd put our bodies in there, 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.199 and we like, it was quite wild and free, you know, 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.200 bush bashing and Dad's you in the back of the 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.359 youth trying to hold on and going through you know, 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:10.000 potholes and trying not to get thrown off the back 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:10.520 of the ute. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.879 You're like, what can I can't say? He'll know. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.840 Yeah, yeah, you know, like climbing mango trees. That was 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:18.320 pretty much, you know, being out in community on country. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.000 Growing up on Larachiere Country was very much a cultural thing. 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.480 Learning language and just being with family. That was pretty 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:26.880 much the routine. 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.680 And were you always super overachieve that and really musical? 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.639 And is it something that you knew you wanted to do? 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:35.160 You know how we see like the Taylor Swift child 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.399 prodigy and it's like recording hit albums when she's two 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.320 years old. Were you like that kind of a child 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:40.680 or did you grow into it a little bit? 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:40.920 Yeah? 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:41.720 I grew into it. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.760 My grandfather all grew up singing in a church, so 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.159 sang a lot of hymns at first, and then you know, 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.720 mom's and dad's music kind of came into play a 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.879 lot of seventies, a lot of kind of rocks or 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.960 cultures or abba and then yeah, my grandparents used to 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.760 look after a church, so that they were basically caretakers 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.879 of a church, but also did a lot of the sermons, 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.720 did a lot of the Sunday School choir singing, and 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.040 so yeah, just kind of I grew into it. I 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.800 wasn't taught it. It was really something that I just 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.040 picked up along the way. But my second older sister, 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.159 we thought she was going to be the singer of 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.800 the family because she was totally into Whitney, into Mariah, 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.840 like a massive fan of Mariah Carey had the whole 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.439 poster thing. You never saw the white walls. It was 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.760 just filled with posters. And I think that's kind of 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.160 where I started to pick up, you know, what music did, 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.760 the different styles of it. I mean, I went through 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.560 a phase of not only Whitney, Michael Jackson, Mariah, but 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:39.080 Hanson's Bewitched. 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.439 I was just about to say, who was your inspir 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:43.680 because Laura had some posters she used to make out 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.440 with the pants and Hans. 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:47.879 I still think about the days when I thought I 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.440 was going to marry Taylor Hanson. I got Taylor, I 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:53.439 was convinced you. 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:54.800 Used to make out with your posters. 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:59.280 I'm like, no, no, it's fun. I think about one point. 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:03.160 Like I did like love eye contact, you know with 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.000 with Hanson's poster and Taylor and I like I would 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.320 literally talk to like if he was there. 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.680 Of course, I like had a hollow wire, had a 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.040 whole follow folder folder. 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.840 It was actually my choir, my choir, like had all 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.840 my sheets of like choir music, and I turned it 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.600 into a poster folder. 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:22.680 Okay, but this is different for me in that there 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:24.600 was never a chance that I was ever going to 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.439 meet these people, whereas for you, like you have like 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:31.280 moved into a world reality. Yeah, where like these people 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.960 that you idolized as a child, you've had the opportunity 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.560 to meet some of them. Yes, what's that experience? Like? 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:39.800 Yeah, well, I mean even like Snoop Dogg was a 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.119 huge one for me. My elder sister was like a 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.879 Wu Tang you know, Warreng fan Biggie Small's and so 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:49.600 I was introduced to Snoop Dogg through my elder sister. 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.240 And when I wrote Get Him Girls. 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.560 When I was in Atlanta recording my my second record, 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.280 I was working with Bangladesh, who happened to be seen 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.480 a lot of stuff for a little Wayne at the time, 0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.320 and actually litl Wayne was just coming up in the 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.760 world and they were all kind of working in the 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.359 same studio. And I wrote the song get Him Girls 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:13.560 about all these different styles of shoes. I got on 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.720 my get them Girls. I got on my get them Girls, 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.200 I can catch one my way to the front page. 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.600 I got on my get them girls. Put to get 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:25.000 them girls on a swinger hips this way. I remember 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:29.560 writing the song with Bangladesh and he had this thought of, Hey, 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.760 I'm you know, I'm working with Snoop Dogg. You know, 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.000 well he didn't say that at first, but he was like, 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:35.760 you know, I could hear a rap on this. 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:37.800 You know, do you have anybody in mind? 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.280 And I thought, well, I don't know, there's a few 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.239 people that come to mind, but you know, what are 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:42.840 your thoughts? 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:44.800 And he, you know, he dropped Snoop's name. 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:48.000 It's just check my diary. I am free for Snoop Dogg, 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:48.959 yes forever. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.240 And literally the next day that I rocked up to 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.679 the second of studio, he said, I've got someone special 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.560 coming in and a few hours a few hours later, 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.640 Snoop comes through the door and I'm literally fangirl girling, 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.639 like I'm like, yo, my elder sister is such a 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:07.879 huge fan. But because of you, I was able to 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.879 be introduced to your music and understand, you know, the 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:14.200 words that you spit. And it was crazy because he 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.120 was like I the first thing he said was well, 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.840 I love Australia. He was like, I love Australia. You know, 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.159 I can't, I can't enter into Australia. But yeah, it 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.240 was really cool because he legit had a one take 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.840 of doing the rap on the song, and we spent 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:33.720 a few days and we ended up doing the video 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:35.680 clip and got to meet his family, and he brought 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.480 his family along, his children, and he became like an uncle, 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.520 like an uncle Snoop, you know, and obviously the age gap, 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.560 I just felt like he was a big brother and 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:44.640 almost like an uncle. 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.960 But it was one of the wildest moments of my life. 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.000 And I just thought, thanks to my sister, I actually 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.840 you know, I became a huge fan. 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:53.960 Yeah, well I am. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.720 I am fangling that you fangirl Snoop. Yeah, what's he like? 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.320 Like is in real is he It's cool in real life? 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:05.320 It's a super cool, super chilled. He's totally about in 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.520 the moment. So when he's in the moment, he just 0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.080 speaks of the moment. But he's also quick to change 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.200 his mind too, so like if you know he likes 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.320 something in that one second and then. 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.720 He'd like yeah, it's yeah. He's very quick. 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.000 He's just obviously he's a busy, busy man you can imagine, 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.119 but a very family orientated. I felt like when I 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.320 first met him and when he introduced me to his 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.000 family that came along to the music video, like I 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:29.439 felt like I'd known him forever. 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.880 Does it still feel surreal to you when you are 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.640 in these situations and you're working alongside other huge stars 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:37.800 or is it kind of like, ah, nah, this is 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.520 my this is my space now, like I'm comfortable with this, 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:41.600 or yeah. 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.080 No, I still get I still get anxious. I still 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.480 get like, how does that affect them? You know, when 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:48.720 they're meeting new people. So I tend to think of 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:51.040 that first, and then I think, yo, I'm actually in 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.960 front of this person that I've listened to, you know, 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.880 I've followed their story, and then I actually get to 0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.800 collaborate with them. So yeah, it becomes like wow, is 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.280 feels normal, And yes, I respect that there's like this 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.040 human connection happening and playing out right now, but yeah, 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.840 I'm still kind of screaming on the inside. There's still 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.000 a scream on the inside. 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.320 Circling back on your story and how you got into 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.520 music and you as a little kid. I think so 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.480 many people who remember would know you from your stint 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.640 in reality TV at the very start, like that is 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.880 kind of how you broke into the music industry. Can 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.080 you talk about that period and what that was like 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:32.320 and how that was the springboard of what put you 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:34.040 into the for the forefront of media. 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:34.600 Yeah. 0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.840 I have to say it was the most beautiful time too, 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.360 because I just turned sixteen. You know, I was at 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:45.080 the end of finishing school and kind of not having 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:49.760 a plan for school for studies particularly, and I knew 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.520 that music dominated everything at that point, and at that 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.560 age I had an intuition. My intuition was I'm going 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.840 to do music for a long time. I just need 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.200 to get on board with it. I actually need to 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.320 be not half hearted, I need to be fully in it. 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:06.840 And I knew that I was going to be spending 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.920 more time outside of my community away from family. I 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.800 just kind of prepared myself and I think that preparation 0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.960 of doing a lot of busking, going out and doing 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.320 you know, school of steadfas created armor so that I 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.160 was able to go out and be involved in the 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:26.280 rest of the world or the industry itself, and particularly 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:27.080 in Australia. 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:28.800 Like I didn't know anything about it. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.560 I just knew that I had to be prepared mentally 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:35.120 and physically whatever was going to be thrown at me. 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.400 And the Idol was that idle doing that show was 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.800 that eye opener of like, yo, it's bigger than me. 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.480 And I think for anyone who doesn't remember this, like 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.040 Jess was on two thousand and six, I think season 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.400 four of Australian Idol. And this is also like at 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.240 the time where like Australian Idol was the biggest reality 0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.160 TV show in Australia. It was such a fucking behemoth 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:57.760 of a show. 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.120 Yeah, but in your. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:03.040 Experience, like you as a person, I guess like at 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.440 that time in Australia in two thousand and six, it 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.760 was such a huge underrepresentation of Indigenous women having these 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:13.880 successful music careers anywhere. For that man, totally, I'm being 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:17.040 this like little kid from the bush. How did that 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.560 experience shape for you? And not seeing that there was 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.800 somebody else who's kind of paved the way or had 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:23.640 that success. Was there not a moment where you were 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:24.920 like where do I fit in this world? 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:25.480 Yeah? 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.240 Well, I was lucky enough to have a few role models, 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.160 and I think Shelley Morris plays a huge part in 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:36.280 the Northern Territory community. She's that kind of alternative, folky 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.760 but soul. She's got like a lot of jazz in 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.360 her in her voice, and she was someone that I 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.880 just paid a pathway for me. 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:47.040 Another is Christina Knew. I mean when she came out with. 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:51.480 Why don't you come join my party? Let's move to 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:56.080 the break, I'm done, gotta hit the music, bring in, 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.520 bring it on. 0:31:58.680 --> 0:31:59.960 She blew my mind. 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.080 And as a Torrest straight woman, it very much stands 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.680 for her culture and where she comes from. That played 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.000 a huge role in terms of me growing up on 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.560 Larachia Nation and you know, being a prod cook analogy 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.720 and what common woman. But also I identified in a 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.280 way was she's someone who's of color and a woman 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:22.040 and is really kind of dominating this her spirit in 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.920 this music space and I thought, that's what I want 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.320 to do. You know, I saw, you know, the Hathie Freeman, 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:33.800 Deborah Malman in their industry, and for me, Shelley any 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:38.239 Ruby as well as Christina Knew were women who I 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:42.560 knew that guided me and helped me and reinforced me that, Yo, 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.320 I'm going to do this and regardless of culture, I'm 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.000 actually going to work. I'm want to work and understand 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.880 how music is with me and how it fits with me, 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:52.920 and I'm going to try this. 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:53.640 I'm going to do it. 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:56.480 Yeah, and Christina knew, God, she had some bang. It's 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.080 like I remember that. It sounds different when I say, 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.800 but she was just well, I won't make you suffer 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.840 that your ears will bleed. I'm the t tone deaf, 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.080 but she was so incredible. But I think around that time, 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.320 we have to remember that because I think we're about 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:11.200 the same age. 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:13.480 Six seven whatever. 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.680 He's counting at a few. 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.960 But I think people, you were so young, right, you 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.280 were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, We didn't even really like this 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.360 is when the Internet came in, So it's not like 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.080 we just had this excessive access to Google people and 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.800 to search people. And for I think when you actually 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.440 put yourself back then in a position of you as 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:39.160 a fifteen year old being thrust into the limelight, and 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:41.200 for you to say, I'm just going to commit to this, 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.120 I'm going to give it everything. That is just so, 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.520 you know, very very rare for a teenager to say 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:47.520 I need. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.800 To go all in and dedicate my entire life to this. 0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:51.520 That's not something we come across often. 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:53.920 No, not no, And yeah, I guess when you put 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.720 it that way, I was determined. And I think because 0:33:56.760 --> 0:34:00.920 of you know, my parents, them seeing the pental, them 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.360 seeing the ability that I couldn't quite understand. And I 0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.880 think we do come of a generation that we just 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.560 had to because we didn't have the tools, and they 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:11.399 weren't kind of a way that they are now. 0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:12.600 I mean, they're crazy. 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.840 The access is intense and is insane, but we didn't 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.440 have that particular access. 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.120 Yeah, we couldn't just look people up. 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.759 And even the way that we went to gigs or 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.800 we bought music was completely different. 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:25.680 We physically bought a ticket and you had to make 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:26.480 sure you turned. 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.560 On wait yeah wait. 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.200 We would wait for the tickets to go on sale, 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.000 and we didn't know whether you know, and we had 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.880 to go to the CD store to see them on sale. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.759 You know, very very different now, But I think when 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:41.840 I look back at it, it was very encouraged and supported, 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.439 Like I had a very supportive family that could see 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.560 something that I didn't quite understand then. But and I 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.600 think having not understood it made it a lot more 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.360 impactful because I just I was intrigued. 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:55.200 I wanted to know. I wanted to do the work. 0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.120 I mean, I've heard you speak before about growing up 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.000 in your words, Paul Poor, Yeah, what was that like 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.839 for you? Do you recognize now that there were sacrifices made, 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:05.960 or that your family might have had to have worked 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.239 a little bit harder to encourage you to get to 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:08.680 where you are? 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:09.319 What was that like? 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.040 Yeah? I guess being one of five, I think there 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.040 were a lot of things, you know, particularly how we 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:18.080 even ate, how we even ate together at the table 0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:19.160 taught us a lot. 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:21.239 And I guess in portion. 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.719 Too, just I think the way that both of my 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:26.640 parents grew up, particularly with my dad growing up in 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.120 a village in Indonesia with no hot running water. It 0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:32.239 was always kind of going to one hundred k's down 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.759 the road with your bucket to go get the water. 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:35.399 Out of the world. 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:38.560 So I think the way and the lifestyle of living 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.719 kind of taught us siblings development of actually working hard, 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:46.560 so physically working and what my parents didn't have and 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.480 who they didn't have, you know, not having their parents 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.239 to kind of guide them. So really that plays a 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:54.720 huge role in the way that I do my work, 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.160 or the way I see my work and be humbled 0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:58.759 by it and to love it as much as I 0:35:58.800 --> 0:35:59.719 can and hold onto it. 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.120 How do you go through the process of how you 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.800 actually write a song or your inspiration for writing a song? 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.120 What is your process for this? 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.520 Generally, my process is I love to start off with 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:16.680 like humming a melody, like and that's you know, that 0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:20.160 could be from the sound of the atmosphe that's playing 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.160 out outside on the streets or where I'm sitting at 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.880 the time, whether it's a cafe or sitting at a 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:30.040 train station, or there's so many sounds that things are 0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.840 making that are creating melody, the hum of the air condition. 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:36.759 I just actually think I heard you humming when I 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:37.560 was in the bathroom. 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:43.920 Were you getting inspired by me because someone was humming? 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.439 It was you? 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:45.200 Yeah, And I. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:49.120 Don't think it was you urinating that it inspires her. 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.280 That's what you're getting. Who knows, Laura. 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.719 But it's it's always it's I think it's just a 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.440 habit thing that I do as well, that I naturally 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.480 hum and sometimes I don't even know that I'm doing it. 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:01.640 And I did that a lot in school, and I 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.640 would get in loads of trouble for disrupting the class 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.040 for humming and not knowing that I would be humming 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.880 and the teacher would get up and you'd be like, 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.000 you know what you're doing and I'm like no, She's like, 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.880 you're humming and it's really loud and. 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:16.560 You're disrupting the classroom. 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.759 So sometimes to you know, obviously, the punishment was for 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.440 me to go and sit with my face near the 0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:29.480 wall of the of the concrete wall and think about classes. 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.440 Can you imagine that though, because as a teacher, you 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.319 would think this habit that you have is in no 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.960 way going to benefit your future? What is what made 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:40.640 me who I am? 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.839 I've thought about that, you know, quite often, and kind 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.520 of giggle to myself and you know, wonder about that 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.319 teacher and where she is and you know, thanking her 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.600 for you know, allowing me to reflect on what I've 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:57.320 just done you know, thank you missus Burke. 0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.680 When you write, say, when you do write a song 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.000 or you collaborate with someone. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:04.200 How does it work? 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.400 So just say like ludicrous orf snoop right, they. 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.319 Want to do a song with you? Does someone just. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:11.319 Slide into DM and be like yo, like let's hit 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:12.560 this up. I don't know if they speak. 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:16.239 Sometimes producers, yeah, producers will kind of. And because of 0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.560 the way of connecting with everyone now, with you know, 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.319 the certain accounts that we have and platforms, it's as 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.600 easy as sending sending a message people dming and going, 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.440 you know, like hey, you know, I've just finished writing 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:28.920 this song. 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.359 You know, do you want to hop on it? 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:34.440 Or Apple Juice Kid, who's an incredible he's going to 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:37.000 die but he he actually did. 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.960 A remix of my song Butterfly. 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.959 Butterfly He's Gonna Keep the Flying. And it was mad 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:46.080 because he created this whole new production and actually did 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.440 a like almost like a bass drop. 0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:50.680 At a weight line, so it's like a boo and 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:54.359 it's like vibe. It's like a vibration drum. And I remember. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.480 Losing my shit hats because it was just it was 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.239 just something that moved me and I you know, you know, 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.359 you've got your favorite songs that move you, whether it's 0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.160 the melody or whether it's the bead, the tempo, or 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:06.840 it might be just a lick in the song that 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.760 someone's singing. And he's like someone who's just reached out recently, 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.160 and I've just adored the way his processes and how 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.000 he produces and so hopefully, you know, this kind of 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.000 gets us going and you know, creating the juices. Lowing 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.279 just reminded me that he had DMed me and said, hey, 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.040 like come on now, like we've you know, we've we've 0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.879 come saying this, We've been saying this for quite some time. 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.439 But let's get our team together and do our things. 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.319 It's crazy, you can actually live in that world now. 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.719 I mean, like we get a lot of guests on 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.560 like that. We just slide into a DM and we're like, 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.000 well you come on the podcast. 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:40.480 But it's pretty incredible. 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.360 Well, the opportunities that can arise from now are incredible. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:46.640 Well, I think it also shows the accessibility, whereas, like before, 0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.319 when you would have someone who is a superstar, whether 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:52.200 it be an actor or a singer, they seem so 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.600 far away from us. They were so unattainable, whereas now 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.120 we have this like incredible almost voyeurism into people's lives, 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:00.759 Like you know, I can jump on your Instagram and 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:03.640 I feel like I have this higher level of connection 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.000 or I understand like day to day, and I. 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:07.320 Think that's the most important. 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.080 I feel like I had come on the scene well 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:13.279 whilst that was still happening, so you know, it was like, 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:17.080 let's not do none of those levels of things and 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.319 let's just kind of separate. Like, I feel like there 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.000 was definitely a separation of that time when I was 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:24.680 coming into the music scene, because that was the thought 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.040 of creating. What's that word when it's like, yeah, just unreachable. 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.640 We're all very much doing our thing. You know, we're 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.000 all very equal, and I always have to wonder that. 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.759 But now that everything is so kind of open and 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.920 you do have that access, I think has created a 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.279 level of everyone's important. Everyone's on a level of like 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.879 just doing and creating, and that's a good thing. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:45.640 I think that's good. 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:45.879 Now. 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:47.279 This might be a bit of an odd question, but 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.240 it was something I read recently, and it was actually 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.560 something that Taylor Swift had said in terms of women 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:53.600 in the music industry, and she said that like as 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.920 a female in the music industry, there is this pressure 0:40:55.960 --> 0:41:01.640 to constantly recreate, stay relevant, almost like reimage your Have 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.960 you felt that you've had these different almost like recreations 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.239 of your image of yourself as an artist or do 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.279 you feel it's been a very like whether it's been 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.080 a conscious decision or just a natural progression throughout your career. 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.399 I feel like there has been both like a conscious 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.719 but also there has been pressure as well, you know, 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.600 And I think when you work with all kinds of 0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:27.000 you know, you have so many different relationships, whether it's 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.799 the label management, digital creative team, like, there's like all 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.880 these things people are channeling through. And so for me, 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.760 I think it took me time to find the right 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.680 people to then deliver, you know, the right thing, and 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.200 that always takes time. Again, that takes patience, that takes 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.520 kind of bravery to allow your creative to fall into 0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:51.000 that person's hand and you know, it's either they understand 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.279 it or they don't and you move on. So I 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.520 think for me, it's just being able to, I guess, 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.520 meet the right people along the way and if it 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.399 feels right and they're on board with you or they 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.279 are like minded, then you continue and that brings more 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.400 freedom for me and a more conscious thinking of like 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.799 how I see myself and the way that I walk, 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:11.360 the way that I talk, and that has to be 0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:12.640 infused in everything. 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.600 Well, it's like a package, right, because I think we 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:16.840 can focus so much on just the music, which is 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.680 obviously like the most important terms of creative outlet. 0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:19.920 Right. 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.200 But then there's also Jessica Malboy, who is a like 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.320 you are your product as well. 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:25.800 Crazy. 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.640 It's so crazy to even think of it like that 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.600 because I was I was having a big conversation with 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.520 my sisters because half of the time, like will go 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.960 out and you know, we'll be halfway eating through when 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.040 someone comes to and it's like. 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.080 You just a calm alboy, Like you just a cool malboy. 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:41.719 My sister's like here we go. 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.440 Have a photo and fuck well. 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.200 Like literally halfway with like spaghetti and mouth. But sometimes 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.320 I like, I totally forget and using my my real 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.080 born the name that I was born with, you know, 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.680 because most people go out with their alter ego name 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.080 or you know, it's it's a it's a made up name. 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.520 It's because of a like this is my proper my 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.200 on my birth certificate, it's my passport, is on my 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:06.080 driver's lesnse. 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.520 What you say is true, and I think we Laura 0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.680 and I were talking about this the other day in regards. 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:13.080 To the conversation we're having, was around Justin Bieber's and 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.360 I think it's the same with you. When somebody is 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.160 in the public eye from such a young age, there 0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.680 is just a natural evolution of you and your brand 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.200 and finding who you are. And I don't think a 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.960 lot of the time it's people saying, oh, like Justin Bieber, 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:27.080 I'm going to be a bad boy. 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:27.960 Now, like I've got no no. 0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.279 I think, of course there's conscious decisions as well, but 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.239 you are just literally growing up in the public eye 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.439 and we're just trying to go along with you while 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.560 you signed yourself. 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.360 Yeah, and I find that I have grown up, growing 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:41.000 up and changing in the eyes of the of the 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:45.239 public has been very natural for me and exciting too, 0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.680 because I do have an alter ego that has kind 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.799 of formed during business or age, or you do have 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:52.279 a side of you that is a little bit more 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.040 like spicy. 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.560 You're still the nicest girl and. 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:56.560 It's still nice, you know. 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:57.000 That's it. 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:57.359 That's it. 0:43:57.400 --> 0:43:59.000 But do you know what I'm thinking sitting here the 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.640 whole time? I can't you probably see me looking at it. 0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:02.680 You I'm just like, she's so cool. 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:03.719 I'm not corner. 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:05.839 Like. 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.600 I'm like, I'm looking at the earrings and the top 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:08.120 of the necklace. 0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.880 And I was like, I'm more, Hey, we do that. 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:12.560 I do that. 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:14.759 Like I sit there like, you know, even like my 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.960 manager over there, she's like sitting there and I'm like, Yo, 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.239 her pants are so cool. Those dude, I'm going to 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.279 try and build that tomorrow, you know, And I'm gonna 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:23.440 wear something like that tomorrow. 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:23.640 You know. 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:24.560 We do that. 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.040 We do that. 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.279 How humanizing is that? Though? Because I think like you 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.759 can look in and you know, through social media, as 0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:33.560 we spoke about things can seem so unattainable in certain 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.840 ways still, you know, and like we put people up 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:37.960 on a pedestal and then it's so incredible to have 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.359 these conversations. It's so humanizing where it's like most people 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.319 are still figuring it out all the way as well. 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.400 Yeah, I just decided I'm going to get a second. 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.520 There's so many I want to I want to talk 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:54.400 to you about love. Yeah, we love love here at 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:56.280 Life on card and your fiancee. 0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:57.560 Congratulations Emily. 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.319 You guys have been together, well, I know you long 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.839 distance for seven years, but how long have you been 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:04.520 together together? 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:10.240 We have nine two and nine. 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.480 So someone in the room did a mouth or fourteen fifteen. 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.360 Fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, fifteen years. 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.640 Yeah, the first two years was actually it was the 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.320 second year. You know, when you meet the person and 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.040 it's like you go through that phase in your life 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.480 you're like, oh, you have a particular look of a 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.200 guy that you go to. And I was I was 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:33.400 literally like eighteen, you know, I was like sixteen seventeen eighteen. 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.280 On my eighteenth birthday, went out with a few girls 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.480 and it was actually eight of us, eight of us girls, 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:39.799 and I hadn't seen them in a while because I'd 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.200 just come off board performing with a girl band at 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.600 the time called the Young Divers. 0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:46.000 And they were an influence I was. 0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.000 I mean, I was sixteen at the time when I 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:51.640 first went into this girl band and they were crazy, 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:54.160 and you know, I cured us to them. They were 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:57.000 the girl band at the time, I mean I remember, 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:01.680 and strong women as well, but ah, crazy crazy in 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.680 a very good way, in a very strong way, but 0:46:03.760 --> 0:46:06.040 I remember meeting up a maid of my girlfriends, and 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.880 you know, we decided we're going to go out, and 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.520 normally we do like a little playing a game like 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:11.520 truth or Dare. 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.680 In this case, yeah, this was This was a damn moment. 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.000 It was I had kind of missed a lot of 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.319 those games in the club and they decided to get me, 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.280 get me really good. And one of my best friends 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:25.719 she was like, Yo, we're gonna play truth. Dad just 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.319 hasn't been here, so it's her turn. She's up, girl, 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:31.439 what are you gonna do? I'm like, all right, Dare? 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.480 And I was just in a daring mood because I 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:35.040 didn't you know, when you see your girlfriends, you go 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.120 you go off like you you know, drop down and 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:40.360 get your eagle ona, you know. And in fact, this 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.839 dare was really out of my comfort zone. 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:43.720 What was the dad? 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:45.800 The dare was they knew of this, so I didn't 0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:48.520 know this, but they went to school with this guy. Well, 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:52.600 my partner, now she goes, what did she say to me, Oh, 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.920 I'm going to point my finger's going to point to 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.399 a person down on the dance floor. Because we were 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.960 literally on like the third floor of this club called discovery, 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.000 mind you, discovery. 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:02.239 Wow. 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.440 She points to this person in the in the crowd 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:07.880 and she's like, he's wearing white. 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.600 He's the only guy that's wearing white. 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.360 She's pointing, and I'm looking and I'm like, yo, I 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.880 can't believe I'm doing this. I make my way down. 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.719 I'm freaking out. I'm like, this is not me, just 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.000 this is not you. What are you doing? Before I go, 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.359 she says, I want you to crab claw him on 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.040 the on the butt, like on the. 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.400 On his cheek, which you can't do. 0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:27.520 You can't do that anymore. 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.120 Like we're talking. 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:33.480 Nine guys. 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.240 Yeah, this is when when you know, when you could. 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:38.719 Wow? 0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:40.680 Yeah, thank god. But yeah. 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.520 I went down there and literally as I got closer, 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.000 there was like all these fellows that was surrounding this 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.560 one guy and I eventually I found a gap between 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:51.560 one of the fellows. So they're like moving and you know, 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:54.160 dancing to the music. And I found the gap and 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:54.560 I was like. 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.000 Yeah, I'm actually going to do this. 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.560 My hand goes straight in and I see his cheek 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:03.040 and I'm like, yo, I literally clawed that. As I 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:06.640 was like, well and my hand came straight out, I ran, 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.640 I ran I went straight to like what I ran? 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:10.719 I literally ran. 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:11.799 I was like, I. 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.040 Can't believe I've just done this. 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.279 I ran to the bar and I'm standing there and 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:17.719 I'm freaking out. 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:19.560 I look back up to the girls. I'm like, yo, 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.879 I did it, but yo, I'm so embarrassed. 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.360 And then literally like two minutes later, I've just ordered, 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:30.720 you know, my Bodcurren Cranberry juice drink and I'm standing 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:32.920 there and I looked to my right and he's literally 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.719 standing there, and I freak out. I was like, can 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:37.640 is my drink ready? 0:48:37.680 --> 0:48:37.920 Can you? 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:39.600 Like yeah? And she's like yep. 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.480 Coming all of a sudden, I feel like this breeze 0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:43.960 in my ear and. 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.520 Like I'm like, that's like turn like he's. 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.640 Talking in my ear saying I know it was you. 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:50.480 I know. 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:52.920 He was like I know it was you, like screaming 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:55.160 in the club, like in my ear, and I'm like, yo, 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:57.040 I don't even know who you are. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:59.280 And he's like, see. 0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:01.600 All those Wallas, like they're all my friends and they 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:05.040 saw you do it. Anyway, he was annoying by the 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:07.880 whole night after that, like you just wouldn't leave me alone, 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.480 And I was like, yo, this well is not my type. 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:13.120 This was a dare, like how did I get myself 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.840 into this? And now you won't leave me alone? 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:17.479 Later? 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:19.879 But it was crazy because, as you know, would come 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:23.440 home every four five times a year. I'd see him 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:26.400 at the places that I would have my favorite coffee 0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:29.400 shop or you know, the shopping center, just places, and 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:30.640 I just started to see him and I was like. 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.000 Yo, Universe, what are you doing. 0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:35.160 It was that following year that I said, Yo, let's 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:37.880 I'm willing to make this work if you are this 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.840 is actually what I do. Is my profession, so hardly 0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.080 have a home, but you know, I'd like to make 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:44.799 this work. And yeah, I felt like that. 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.200 Then the universe, how did you make it work? 0:49:48.239 --> 0:49:51.319 Folks? I think so many people long distance is hard, 0:49:51.480 --> 0:49:54.000 Like long distance is something that can for any even 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.600 a great healthy relationship. Can you throw a huge spanner 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.440 in the works? How did you guys make it work? 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.560 And for anyone listening who may be doing long distance, 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:02.560 what's your advice in that? 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:03.080 Yeah? 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.480 Well, there was a lot of like you know, texting, calling. 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.480 I used all my credit, my. 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:13.759 Votophone credit an. 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:19.160 From that connection. We just kind of just allowed it 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:21.520 to happen. I think it was just calling each other, 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.919 texting each other, you know, yo, what are you doing? 0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:27.520 And he didn't know what I did, Like it was 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.760 just weird. But his friends knew because they had watched 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:33.040 the show, so they knew I was just a maleboy 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.280 from Australian idol and you know that I was becoming 0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:42.040 an artist. And he was like, well, yeah, yeah, that 0:50:42.239 --> 0:50:43.399 was the day that. 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.560 Was you know, like from the dance floor. 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.440 Yo. But I think just that opposite worlds like completely 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.839 just attracted, you know. I just you know, loved how 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.120 he was as a human and I started to understand 0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:00.120 his world and like how family orientated he was and 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:02.160 how close he is with you know, his. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:03.799 Siblings and mom and dad. 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:06.319 And that was an important thing, you know for me 0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.680 is that I'm very close with my parents and get 0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:12.080 along so well with my family, and I think that 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:13.960 was the one thing that really bonded us. So when 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.040 our families did meet, it kind of seals the like 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.640 our dads are bombardies, like from the get go, like 0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.200 they would take each other out fishing, cook each other breakfast. 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:26.200 Even our moms you know, would hang out until you know, 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:28.600 over a wine and crack a joke. But once we 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.759 knew that kind of sealed our bond of like yo, 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.960 where our families love each other. So if that's what 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:38.560 we're seeing, then we're automatically we're gonna fall in that. 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:40.640 And do you think as well, like, because it must 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.040 be such an immense amount of trust that you have 0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.640 to have in your partner when you're not in the 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.680 country as much distance. Yeah, as much as staying it 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:49.680 is important. 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:51.560 But just there was a lot of that, Like there 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:53.640 was a lot of kind of heartache in the sense 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.239 of distance, and like you would see my family out, 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:57.960 you know, there would be a little bit of jealousy, 0:51:58.080 --> 0:51:59.560 like you'd be hanging out with my you know, my 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:02.120 family at the same time. You know, you just go 0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:05.319 through those stages of how things are developing and how 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:07.719 we react. And there was a lot where I just 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.800 felt like maybe it wasn't going going to work. The 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:12.880 amount of times I felt that way, I was like, 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:16.239 if I am feeling this way, then something must be 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.160 But I'm in love and I love him, and so yeah, 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.600 it was like I just wanted to be always with him. 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:26.359 And so just the understanding developed, you know, and and 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.640 the way we react to life and the situations. 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.080 Yeah, and I also imagine it would be hard. Like 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:35.120 long distance is one thing, but when it's long distancing 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.359 that you know, you know your partner's a babe, then 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:38.960 you know they're hanging out with some of the biggest 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:40.040 names in the world. 0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:42.160 It must it's got to be. There has to be 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:43.360 one hundred percent trust. 0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:45.000 Because if I was sitting back and I my partners 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:48.760 with all these Victoria's Secret models. 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.439 And that, Yeah, and that's the great I think. 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:53.440 I think because he was so oblivious to he just 0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:57.560 didn't know my world enough to feel like that. But 0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.920 I would be the opposite, which kind of drove me 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.120 insane because I'd be like, yo, like be weird, like 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:05.560 I don't know, like when you don't know your partner's 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.520 friends enough or haven't hadn't had spent that time. 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:08.919 I think. 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.080 Yeah, I think those things really developed and kind of 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:15.600 hit hard at home a lot, and I think that 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:18.279 definitely just made me stronger and made me realize, yo, 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:18.799 I do. 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:22.120 Anything for this feller. So yeah, yeah, very cute. 0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.759 Yeah, which is not only I mean, not only do 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.960 you have your most recent single that you've released, but 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:31.759 also we've been seeing you on our TV screens on 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.719 free to air. Baby you are, yeah, that you are 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:36.200 one of the hosts of the Voice, And I think 0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.480 that this is a beautiful full circle story for you, 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.080 going from being a contestant on Idol, yeah, to being 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.920 the judge behind the scenes now who is yeah, mentoring 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:50.920 and taking these it's next wave of talent through that process. 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:52.440 Yeah, what has that been like for you? 0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:55.080 It does overwhelm me at times, Like sometimes I'll sit 0:53:55.120 --> 0:54:00.560 there and I'm like, I'm literally watching someone so brave 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.520 tell their story through a you know, like a song 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:05.920 or even you know, some of them come up and 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.000 sing my songs and I'm like, I see what you're 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:09.600 doing with that. 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:11.319 You completely made it your own. 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:15.080 You went, you did something different, you know, and being 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.360 consistently this is my second year of coaching on the Voice, 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:23.040 and just unbelievable kind of witnessing young mob I've never studied, 0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:26.200 only ever sung in their bedrooms. That brought back a 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.920 lot of those memories of me discovering music. Brings a 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.320 lot of kind of humbleness I guess as a coach 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:36.440 because I don't know everything, but at least my process 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.600 was very authentic and wasn't just like I kind of 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.000 wasn't just thrushed. I mean I. 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:42.160 Busked my way. 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:44.680 I I did the streets, you know, singing on the streets, 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:48.040 I did, playing backing tracks and singing people's covers, and 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:52.080 then developing myself vocally whilst doing all those things. And 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:54.759 for a lot of these artists having that first hand 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.200 opportunity to go on a show like The Voice, I 0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:01.640 mean does wonders, It does everything in one moment, it. 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:02.719 Could make or break you. 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.160 And I've seen that as that have come off and said, 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.000 you know what is actually not for me? 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:09.640 I do want to ask you something that we're seeing 0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.359 in immediate at the moment, like literally in the last 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:14.960 couple of days, and that is the paid disparity. Obviously, 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.920 you're with your hosting duties, You've got Guy, Rita and Keith, 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:23.200 and we're seeing a lot about a potential mass walkout 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.439 because people are not being paid equally. Is there any 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.640 truth to this? And I just feel like it is 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.640 a constant battle in all industries for women to be 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.640 paid the same amount as their male colleagues. 0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:36.280 Yeah. 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:39.799 Look, I haven't had that extreme experience of that at 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.080 that level, but yeah, you know, it's always kind of 0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.200 a conscious thing, you know, like how much. 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:44.799 Is he being paid? 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:46.720 But there's always kind of that in the background because 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:49.080 you've you've heard so many and they've you know, people 0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:51.520 have uncovered and have shared their stories and put that 0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:52.840 in perspective of all, well. 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.239 Does that mean they're better than me? 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:58.600 You know, and sometimes like that can play emotionally fulling 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:00.920 my strings here, you know what I mean, you're really 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:01.399 making me. 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:02.320 Think when I shouldn't. 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:06.320 And it's value based. It's a legitimate amoun it's saying 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.480 this is your worth and this is this person's worth. 0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.200 And that's a really difficult thing to swallow when you're 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:15.480 all doing the same job. Essentially, it's hard to go down. 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:18.279 I mean for anybody who's not across this. There's been 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.680 some articles recently just to unpack that a little bit 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:24.719 where Guy Sebastian is apparently fronting a bit more of 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.040 a conversation around pay equality for the judges, and I 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.759 guess like we see this in all industries that has 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.799 paid a sparity. But it's really amazing that we are 0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:36.080 of a time and of a period where other people 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:36.880 are stepping up. 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.920 You know, just talking about it is even important and 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.279 it makes you have to change, you know what I mean. 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:44.960 So yeah, I'm really excited for our future. 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:47.880 I mean, I'm sure you're the generation to come because 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.160 they're going to be fully equipped. They're going to be like, 0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:52.400 you know what, yo, you do it yourself. 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.759 And also I think people are frightened to ask for 0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:57.759 what their worth because they don't want to miss out 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.800 on an opportunity, because especially in the nentera, in an industry, 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.040 there's always somebody who's going to be willing to take 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:05.240 that spot, you know, and do it for less because 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:06.959 they want out too. 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:08.640 You know, because then you're like you're having to weigh 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:09.040 that up. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:10.640 Not that I want to end this on a negative 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:13.319 note by any means, because I mean, like, if you do, 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.000 I'll bring it back up. Yeah, it was like a 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.560 negative question to ask. But do you feel that you 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:21.360 have ever experienced discrimination or racism in the music industry? 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:25.040 Coming from like your own unique background and being a 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.960 proud Indigenous woman, do you find that you've had moments 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:31.680 where you're like, this doesn't quite match the way that 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:32.920 other people are being treated. 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.520 I mean, there's so many I have experienced that, and 0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.840 I think by experiencing you learn, so you try and 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:41.240 you go in a different direction. I think that's the thing. 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:44.520 Don't be afraid to switch it up and turn left. 0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:46.520 And I think that's what's happened to me in the 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.920 last i mean five years of realizing my worth and 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:53.760 my position, more aware than I have ever been in 0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:55.800 the way that I release it, you know, and who 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.640 I release it with, I mean, and team equal, you know. 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:00.880 I've always kind of, you know, been so upfront with 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:04.560 my team about this is very unequal opportunity. So we're 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.920 all at the same level here. We look up to 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:09.560 each other, we respect each other. But I think having 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.880 that firsthand, you know, and asking for it or not 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.680 being afraid to put that number there your own personal value. 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.520 This is how you see yourself plays an important path 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.560 and how you move forward in the future. So yeah, no, 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:27.320 thank you for bringing that up, because I've just in 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:30.400 the last five years, I've I've really understood, you know, 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.000 even my worth as much as I've been in the 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:35.480 industry for such a long time. I think gradually you 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.720 understand a lot more when you do pick up those 0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:40.400 tools and the people that you meet along the way 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:43.200 where you want to be next really see clarity. 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:47.080 Well, speaking of next, and what is next? Congratulations on 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:48.760 your new single Automatic. 0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:50.560 I watched it and listened to it. 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:51.040 It was great. 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:53.760 One question before before I ask what's next for you? 0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:55.520 Did you do those. 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:58.880 Stunts on the I did not do this, just a badass. 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:00.360 You guys have to see the film. You have it. 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:01.400 She's only a squad bikes. 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.040 She's like one of them, you guys, like upside down 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:04.800 on two wheels. 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.400 One they wouldn't have led me to. 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:10.080 I do not know how to do those backflips on 0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:11.640 particularly on a quad bike. 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:13.240 So there's one thing she can't do. 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.000 We found out she can't do two wheelies on a 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:17.600 bat But what is next for you? 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:19.440 When are we going to see you? Touring? 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:20.280 What do we? What are we? 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:21.080 What are we going to see now? 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:24.000 Yeah? Well I had I was fortunate to kick off 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:26.840 my Boss Lady tour the beginning of the year, which 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.840 was totally awesome to get back on the road and 0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:32.600 just bring my you know, my family band who lost 0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.360 a lot of work for the last two years. So 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.720 it was nice to just gather all the roadies or 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.720 the tech people and build a show and build a 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:44.200 stage and give everybody a job. And yeah, so we're 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:46.920 kind of going to pick up at the end of 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.840 the year, the plan is to maybe go to w 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.040 w A because you know, I feel like I hardly 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:54.000 ever do a lot of music there. 0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:56.240 Yeah, yeah, that was allowed it. 0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:59.200 That one's allowed in it, like come on w A. 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:01.240 So yeah, that's the kind of plan. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.000 And then head up to the NT and do some 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:08.080 community work there and showcase the show there and Taz 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.480 like I want to get back to Tasmania and see 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.520 that beautiful country there and. 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:13.640 Then get married of course. 1:00:13.760 --> 1:00:16.479 Yeah, I mean that would be like, that would be 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.480 the icing. I mean, you know, I've thought about it. 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:20.920 You know, I've been with my pun for such a 1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:23.200 long time, as we spoke earlier, and it would be 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:23.960 a beautiful gift. 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:25.520 That would be the icing on the top. It would 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:26.040 be nice. 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.600 Jess, thank you so much. Honestly, we know that you 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:30.840 are such a busy woman and we're very grateful for 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:32.880 the time that you've given us today. But you are, 1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:34.720 honestly just like. 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:35.720 You're a breath of fresh air. 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:37.960 Oh you're wonderful to talk to you like you're. 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:40.520 To get such a piss, I'll come with you. 1:00:40.560 --> 1:00:42.600 I want to get a fourth Yeah, let's do it. 1:00:43.040 --> 1:00:45.640 But Honestly, I've loved speaking with you today and thank 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:48.440 you so much for being a part of the PODCASTA. 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.640 Thank you boss, ladies doing it full of women, thank 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.080 you always such a pleasure. 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.160 You guys know that we never finished an episode without 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:58.160 our suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:00.800 of each and every week. Brittany Hockily, what is your 1:01:00.960 --> 1:01:01.720 suck for the week? 1:01:01.880 --> 1:01:03.680 I know it's against the rules, but I'm just gonna 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:06.320 say I don't actually really have one this week, and 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:08.160 before anyone comes from me, and so there's the rules 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:11.160 and I have to it's only because my sweet is 1:01:11.200 --> 1:01:14.800 so sweet. My sister and her fiance Jay have come 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.160 to stay with me for a bit over a week, 1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.280 actually maybe like ten days. We went away from the 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:21.400 weekend to the Blue Mountains. We had you know, there 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:23.440 was no TV, no Wi Fi. We had a really 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:24.720 wholesome weekend. 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.800 Where are they sleeping because we're currently in the room. 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:29.720 That's your spare room. I haven't known. 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:32.600 This lounge is an amazing qualam One of those flap 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.080 out mattresses is so good. 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:34.720 I have one of these. 1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:36.720 They tidied it this morning just so that you guys 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:37.680 could come over and record. 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:38.720 But that's my sweet. 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:40.400 We had a really great weekend and it's it's just 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:42.120 nice to have some family time again because I don't 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:44.080 live they live up north in Queensland, and my sister 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.600 and I have been in separable our whole life. 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:47.000 We've always lived few streets away. 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:49.640 We've always worked in an emergency department literally together for 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:53.120 twelve hour shifts. We've lived together, We've done everything, traveled together. 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:55.800 This is the longest we've ever been away from each other. 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:57.120 And I had to let her, you know, she had 1:01:57.120 --> 1:01:58.919 to spread wings and get married and live her own life. 1:01:58.920 --> 1:02:02.120 Apparently how to touch to my dismay, But yeah, that's 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:04.040 my suck, and my sweet, what's your What. 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:07.440 About being in the Blue Mountains? And I saw I 1:02:07.480 --> 1:02:09.840 saw your Instagram over the weekend, And let me tell you, 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:10.600 that's my suck. 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:13.200 I wanted to go somewhere dog friendly. That was my 1:02:13.200 --> 1:02:14.960 biggest thing. I wanted to take Delilah out into the 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:16.680 mountains and give us some time to run. Felt bad 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:18.480 for sending her to military school. So we went to 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:21.480 the Blue Mountains and there were so many amazing dog 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:24.040 hiking areas And if anyone wants to you just google it. 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:25.920 A lot of people have messaged me saying, oh, he's 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.360 an all national park, how can you take your dog? Yes, 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.080 there is a lot of National park that dogs cannot go, 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:33.040 but there are a lot of tracks up there that 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:36.120 dogs can go. And there were so many wild dogs 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:38.000 on there, like they went wild. There were so many 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:39.280 dogs going wild. 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:39.560 On this track. 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:41.880 They were in swimming waterfalls and they were running around 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:44.560 together and it was really really wholesome. So if anyone 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:46.520 wants a little get away, I can recommend that. 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:46.840 Well. 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:48.680 I was looking at your Instagram this weekend and I 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:50.920 was like, I want to be there by myself. No, 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:55.400 I love my family. I don't mean that my suck 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.400 for the week. Actually, my suck just happened on the 1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.520 way here. I was like holding my holding it in. 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.640 I wasn't telling you when I arrived because I was 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.360 like still fucking dying inside. But I wanted to tell 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:07.400 you on the podcast. It's actually not a very exciting story, 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:11.560 but you really As I walked out of the house 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:12.640 to come here, and I was in a bit of 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:14.840 a rash and I had the kids, I walked out 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:17.280 and I walked down through our little carport area and 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:20.960 I walked face first through a spider web like face first, I. 1:03:20.880 --> 1:03:23.720 Was like, fuck, fuck, anyway, there's a spider and you 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:24.760 stop it. 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:29.240 On the drive here, I felt it crawling down the 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:32.200 back of my neck, and I wish I was making 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:34.400 this up, but I'm not. I felt something. I felt, 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:36.240 you know, when you just can feel something in your hair, 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:37.960 and I was like, fuck, there is a spider in 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.360 my hair. And then I was like, nah, you're just 1:03:40.360 --> 1:03:43.360 being paranoid, like you're you're thinking yourself, You're willing yourself 1:03:43.360 --> 1:03:45.520 into thinking that you've got a spider on you. And 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:48.960 then it started actually crawling down my neck. And spider, 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:52.120 I have no idea, couldn't find it. I think I 1:03:52.200 --> 1:03:55.000 killed it in the back of your head against the 1:03:55.040 --> 1:03:56.960 back of the car. Now I think I killed it 1:03:56.960 --> 1:03:58.920 into my hair, but I'm just not sure. So if 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:00.840 I start screaming later on, it's because it's made a 1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:01.439 home in my evening. 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:03.200 Okay, so that makes me feel physically ill. 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:05.200 My sweet for the week is actually, do you know 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:07.360 what my sweet is? I just remembered, we don't. My 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:10.440 scene is that I took Matt and I took Marley 1:04:10.520 --> 1:04:15.320 and Lola and our nieces Millie and Charlotte with Auntie Kate. 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:16.760 That's so weird that I just had to rattle off 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:19.160 everyone that came with us. We all went to a 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:22.520 concert on Saturday called City Diver. So you guys might 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:26.560 know Matt o'kine. He's like, he's a comedian. He used 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:29.919 to do morning breakfast radio on Triple J. Like he's 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:33.760 super successful, dude, great guy to follow on Instagram. He 1:04:33.840 --> 1:04:36.480 also has a kid's show, like, which is so weird 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:38.320 and I never would have expected it, but he has 1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:40.880 a kid's show. He has a kid's band with another 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:44.120 woman named Christy, and the kids fucking loved it and 1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.000 it was so fun. And we were the losers in 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:48.000 the front row. And you know when someone sees you 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:50.360 and they kind of like. He was on stage and 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.400 he was like, what the fuck you guys doing here? 1:04:52.440 --> 1:04:55.120 That was the face that he made, and then there 1:04:55.280 --> 1:04:56.960 was Matt. There was Matt and I in the very 1:04:56.960 --> 1:04:57.400 front row. 1:04:57.560 --> 1:04:59.840 Is he like the new modern day wiggle? Is that 1:04:59.840 --> 1:05:00.760 what the vibe? 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:03.120 Yeah? But cooler and better for parents because you make 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:05.320 strokes about farts and butts and stuff. So it's like 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:08.560 the kids love it. Very mature. Better guys, that is 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:12.120 it from us. 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