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Speaker 3: Hi guys, and i'll welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 3: Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, And can I
Speaker 3: just say, Laura, you look particularly good today.
Speaker 1: I mean you always look good, but something about you
Speaker 1: today looks extra good.
Speaker 3: I think I'm just wearing a shirt that you haven't
Speaker 3: seen before, and as.
Speaker 1: We do have, Laura and I have a really bad
Speaker 1: habit of wearing the same thing every single day.
Speaker 3: But you look really he's looking great. Your outfit looks great.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to propy on it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna take that and I'm going to
Speaker 3: run with it because I've actually been feeling very self
Speaker 3: conscious this weekend because i have a fierce case of
Speaker 3: perioral dermatatis that's come back up on my face.
Speaker 1: Well, if it makes you feel better, you can't notice
Speaker 1: it on your face.
Speaker 3: Just so you know, it's because I'm wearing makeup. And
Speaker 3: everybody who gets periolderm dermatic. I can't even say the word.
Speaker 3: Everyone who can't say it. Times if you get PD,
Speaker 3: I know that you're going to get into my DMS
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, Shure, don't wear a breakup when you've
Speaker 3: got bada. But the thing is is that if you've
Speaker 3: got it, then you have to wear makeup because you
Speaker 3: don't want to leave the house without it. But anyway,
Speaker 3: that's on my face right now. Yay, let's tell you
Speaker 3: what today's episode is. So today's episode, we are interviewing
Speaker 3: Jessica Mawboy. She is the fucking dream. I can't even
Speaker 3: tell you how absolutely divine this woman is. She also
Speaker 3: sang through the entire episode and it really made me happy.
Speaker 3: But we're talking to jess not only about her music career,
Speaker 3: but also because we love love here at Life Funk
Speaker 3: Cut about how she managed to do long distance with
Speaker 3: her who she's been with for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: And I had a real moment Laura in that interview,
Speaker 1: and I think I might have been not cool enough,
Speaker 1: and I told Jesse I had a real moment where
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my god, I am living my dream.
Speaker 1: I am getting to speak to these people that I
Speaker 1: grew up admiring and I grew up listening to and watching,
Speaker 1: and now I'm sitting in a room talking to them.
Speaker 1: Because it's pretty easy to forget that sometimes. But I
Speaker 1: had this real reality check where I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: fangirling hard and.
Speaker 3: Realizing that we're nowhere near as cool as her. She's
Speaker 3: exactly so cool, I said to her.
Speaker 1: I was like I had to interrupt her in a
Speaker 1: sentence while I was like, I just need to be
Speaker 1: as cool as How.
Speaker 3: Do I be as cool as She's like, It'll never
Speaker 3: happen bringing anyone who asked anyone asks how to be cooler?
Speaker 3: Will never be helping cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jess is an absolute dream boat. She's so interesting,
Speaker 1: she has such an interesting life. She became famous very
Speaker 1: very young.
Speaker 3: She came into the spotlight in two thousand and six
Speaker 3: on Idol, Australian Idol, and I think the incredible thing
Speaker 3: about this story is that just didn't even win Australian Idol,
Speaker 3: but she definitely gone on to become the most famous
Speaker 3: from that season. If not, well, I mean I shouldnt
Speaker 3: say from the entire thing. I know Guy was from
Speaker 3: there as well, but she's one of the most famous
Speaker 3: people that have come out of music related reality TV
Speaker 3: in Australia.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Guy coming full circle, they both now I
Speaker 1: want to say hosting, but they're not their coaches on
Speaker 1: the Voice. So they've come from being contestants to winning
Speaker 1: slash almost winning, to now being on the other side.
Speaker 1: And there has been some stuff going around in the news.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's seen about the pay discrepancy
Speaker 1: for the coaches.
Speaker 4: On the Voice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically they've got Rita Aura, They've got Keith Urban,
Speaker 3: they've got Guy Sebastian and then also Jessica Malboy and
Speaker 3: it's been reported pretty widely in news recently that Jessica
Speaker 3: is being paid the least out of all of the
Speaker 3: stars and being paid the least by far. So we
Speaker 3: actually get into that in the conversation as well. We
Speaker 3: ask her how she feels about it and what has
Speaker 3: been the outcome of it, and yeah, that is all
Speaker 3: coming up on today's episode. But before we get into that,
Speaker 3: there is something that has happened very recently in the
Speaker 3: news that I wanted to bring up have chat about
Speaker 3: and we do have Brinnany Hockley's beautiful sister Sherry here
Speaker 3: with us today to discuss this. Now, Barbie, which is Mattel,
Speaker 3: has just released a barbie that is wearing hearing aids,
Speaker 3: so inclusivity around hearing loss and around deafness. This is
Speaker 3: part of the inclusivity range that they have been working on.
Speaker 3: They first released the range in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: but steadily have been adding more dolls to that collection.
Speaker 1: So Sherry, welcome to Life on Cut. Thanks for jumping
Speaker 1: in the studio today. Also, I say jumping in the studio,
Speaker 1: you are literally sleeping in this room.
Speaker 2: Sure, we just had to fold the mattress up.
Speaker 1: In the room so if you could record, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: This is not your first appearance. Actually you have done
Speaker 1: an episode before, but it's been.
Speaker 3: A little while, and we did when you were on
Speaker 3: our show last I mean, we talked about nutrition, but
Speaker 3: you also spoke about what your experience was like and
Speaker 3: how it has been wearing hearing aids, going through the
Speaker 3: process of knowing that you needed to wear hearing aids
Speaker 3: but then finally accepting and actually wearing them, And a
Speaker 3: part of it was because you talked about the judgment
Speaker 3: that you felt at the time. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5: There is still such a stigma on hearing aids. I
Speaker 5: think we think it is an old person's thing. And
Speaker 5: then I guess when I got told that I was
Speaker 5: hard of hearing and needed hearing aids, even as a
Speaker 5: young adult, I thought, oh my god, everyone's gonna be
Speaker 5: able to see them. This is such an old person's thing,
Speaker 5: and it was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was hard to accept that I.
Speaker 5: Was going to have to wear hearing aids forever.
Speaker 1: And just to get some people up to speed that
Speaker 1: haven't maybe listened to the episode that you were on,
Speaker 1: just tell everyone quickly when you were diagnosed and how
Speaker 1: you were diagnosed with your loss of hearing.
Speaker 5: So I think you helped diagnose me, Brittany, because you
Speaker 5: told me that I couldn't hear anything that you were saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably didn't say it that nicely. I was like,
Speaker 1: why are you listening to me?
Speaker 5: So my hearing loss is genetic, So it comes from
Speaker 5: as you know, our mother, our brother also has hearing loss,
Speaker 5: and it is something that has just happened gradually. And
Speaker 5: I suppose in my late teens early twenties, is when
Speaker 5: people around me started noticing that I was not picking
Speaker 5: up on things.
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting jokes.
Speaker 1: Well, I was like, why that's really funny, whyn't you laughing?
Speaker 5: I wasn't getting jokes. I was missing ends of conversations.
Speaker 5: I was missing words. So I got my hearing checked
Speaker 5: and I am at about a forty percent loss. So
Speaker 5: I am somebody who thankfully can get through life and
Speaker 5: work and the day.
Speaker 3: But I do, yeah, I do get a lot of
Speaker 3: benefit from my hearing aids. And with something like this,
Speaker 3: and specifically talking about Mattel and Barbie bringing out a
Speaker 3: doll that's wearing hearing aids, what impact do you think
Speaker 3: this has in terms of inclusivity. I think it is
Speaker 3: going to be huge.
Speaker 5: So when we grew up, Barbie's were, you know, skinny
Speaker 5: and blonde and hot boobs and.
Speaker 3: Unrealistic.
Speaker 5: If you actually took her measurements, she would fall over,
Speaker 5: she would not be able to stand up.
Speaker 1: I don't think her stomach realistically could have actually housed
Speaker 1: her organs. I think it's going to be so important,
Speaker 1: not just for children growing up that are hard of
Speaker 1: hearing or death and wear hearing devices to see and
Speaker 1: play a doll that looks like them, but also for.
Speaker 5: Children who don't wear hearing devices to play with a
Speaker 5: doll that doesn't look like them. And that's really going
Speaker 5: to encourage and celebrate that children are different and that
Speaker 5: it's not weird. You know, when we were little and
Speaker 5: you see a kid with hearing aids, do kids think
Speaker 5: that person's stupid or that person can't speak. So I
Speaker 5: think it's going to encourage, yeah, people just to be
Speaker 5: more accepting, and I think it's going to be really
Speaker 5: important for kids to see themselves represented well.
Speaker 3: I think this is one of the big things that
Speaker 3: we spoke about before we jumped on here, is this
Speaker 3: idea that hearing loss that there is some sort of
Speaker 3: synergy between being not intelligent, and that's the thing that
Speaker 3: people draw the bullying that goes on in schools is
Speaker 3: that some kids think, well, because this person can't hear properly,
Speaker 3: that therefore they don't understand or they aren't as intelligent,
Speaker 3: which obviously is completely untrue. But being able to have
Speaker 3: this thing that represents something that maybe not all children
Speaker 3: are exposed to, it breaks down the bias and it
Speaker 3: stops kids from being like that's the unknown and puts
Speaker 3: it into their own bedrooms, it puts it into their
Speaker 3: own playgrounds, and it makes it something that's very very accessible.
Speaker 1: Well, Barbie has released this deaf barbie, so she actually
Speaker 1: has you guys can google it. But she's really really cute.
Speaker 2: She's got these.
Speaker 1: Little pink hearing aids and they match her lipstick. She's
Speaker 1: got pink lipsy gone with. But they have a whole
Speaker 1: range of other barbies. They've had thirty five plus skin
Speaker 1: tones in their range now ninety four plus hairstyles, and
Speaker 1: nine different body types. They also have a barbie in
Speaker 1: a wheelchair. They have barbies with prosthetics, and they have
Speaker 1: this one I think is really really cool and should
Speaker 1: have been done a very long time ago. But they
Speaker 1: have a barbie that suffers from the skin condition vitta ligo.
Speaker 1: Now you guys might know the very very famous model,
Speaker 1: beautiful model Winnie Harlowe, who famously has vittle ligo, and
Speaker 1: she's completely owned that. They've now got a Kendle, so
Speaker 1: a male version that has the same disease. And I
Speaker 1: just can't imagine what this is going to do for
Speaker 1: little children to realize and see this growing up, that
Speaker 1: this is in fact normal and they don't have to
Speaker 1: do a double take when they see somebody that has
Speaker 1: this condition because it's been put into their life from
Speaker 1: a really young age.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the interesting part about this whole conversation
Speaker 3: and I know that, like, we can celebrate the inclusivity
Speaker 3: of where Barbie is headed, and that it's amazing that
Speaker 3: as a company, Mattel has evolved with the times, and
Speaker 3: that they has been an evolution of the doll. But
Speaker 3: I don't think that we can have this conversation without
Speaker 3: acknowledging the fact that the original Barbie has contributed over
Speaker 3: the years so much to the social stereotypes of how
Speaker 3: a woman should look. And I know that we all
Speaker 3: grew up with exactly like you said, Sherry, the original Barbie,
Speaker 3: which was blonde hair, tiny waists, big boobs, skinny legs,
Speaker 3: high heels, and that was the norm for so long,
Speaker 3: and I think that it did so much damage in
Speaker 3: our perception around what women should look like or what
Speaker 3: is beauty not just women, but like what is our
Speaker 3: beauty standards? And so it's so amazing to see that
Speaker 3: that has shifted with the times. Does it go far
Speaker 3: enough to undo the damage that was done over the
Speaker 3: past sixty years. I mean, I don't know as.
Speaker 5: A small child, when we are so susceptible to other
Speaker 5: people's opinions of us massively, Like I have learned to
Speaker 5: not really care what people think of me now, but
Speaker 5: that's because I'm thirty two years old. But even at
Speaker 5: like you said, I was early to mid twenties when
Speaker 5: I found out I needed hearing aids and it was
Speaker 5: hard then. I can only imagine how hard it would
Speaker 5: be as a small child, not only not seeing myself represented,
Speaker 5: but having other kids, you know, gawk at me at
Speaker 5: school and bullying and all that sort of things. It
Speaker 5: would have been so much harder. So I am very,
Speaker 5: very excited to see that it's becoming so much more
Speaker 5: normalized because so many young Aussies are hard of hearing
Speaker 5: and use hearing devices.
Speaker 3: Was there a time where you were like adverse to
Speaker 3: using them? Like, were you told that you needed to
Speaker 3: use hearing aids and then you were like fuck that?
Speaker 3: At well totally sent them.
Speaker 5: Back, I said, yeah, I did.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 5: I got my first set in my mid twenties and
Speaker 5: I trialed them and I hated them. I hated how
Speaker 5: they looked, I hated how they felt I felt like
Speaker 5: I couldn't adjust to them, So anyone out there who
Speaker 5: is hard of hearing would know that you never truly
Speaker 5: get one hundred percent used to them. I like, that's
Speaker 5: why I'm not wearing them right now, because the feedback
Speaker 5: of both of you laughing would be too much and
Speaker 5: overwhelming for me. So I do take them out, so
Speaker 5: it's really hard to get used to. I sent them back.
Speaker 5: I think I also wasn't quite ready to accept that
Speaker 5: I needed hearing aids, so I thought, oh no, I
Speaker 5: can manage. You know, I can still work and it's
Speaker 5: not that hard, and I'll just play the you know,
Speaker 5: oh haha, I can't hear, don't worry about me kind
Speaker 5: of thing.
Speaker 3: Also thinking like this is a piece of technology or
Speaker 3: a device that I'm now going to have to use
Speaker 3: every day. Like from one step you're like, this is
Speaker 3: my life, and then you're like, cool, now this is
Speaker 3: a core part of my life. And it feels probably
Speaker 3: like it's a much bigger deal than it actually has
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really not a big deal, but we I
Speaker 5: think we make it a much bigger deal than it
Speaker 5: needs to be. And like I said, I sent my
Speaker 5: first step back because I really wasn't ready and I thought,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna wait until it gets worse, which is
Speaker 5: so stupid because I would have really benefited from them
Speaker 5: in those years that I just put up with it.
Speaker 5: And you know, prelude conversations with if I ignore you,
Speaker 5: I'm not being rude, hahaha, I'm just deaf.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 5: If you are hard of hearing, please reach out for help,
Speaker 5: because we know that people that don't reach out for
Speaker 5: help are more susceptible to depression and things like that.
Speaker 5: They're more susceptible to not being employed, or if they
Speaker 5: are employed.
Speaker 3: They are less productive at work.
Speaker 5: So there is absolutely no shame in If you think
Speaker 5: you may need hearing aids or you may have some
Speaker 5: sort of hearing loss, go get a free test. It
Speaker 5: is free in all the hearing testings around Australia and
Speaker 5: then you can get a good idea. And Brittany, that's you.
Speaker 3: You're next.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, I imagine I'll need hearing aids in the next
Speaker 1: ten years if the family history is correct. Good on
Speaker 1: Mattel for finally jumping on board and really pushing this
Speaker 1: in the right direction. And Sherry, thank you for jumping
Speaker 1: on today and sharing your little journey and how.
Speaker 3: It's affected you.
Speaker 1: And I think again, if anyone hasn't listened to Sherry's podcast,
Speaker 1: give it a Google. She talks about it a lot there.
Speaker 1: Give it a Google, you know what I mean. Search
Speaker 1: it in a podcast, searched on the intwebs. No, but
Speaker 1: have a listen, and I'm sure we've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of new listeners show that you have just helped by
Speaker 1: sharing your journey again, so thank you. And I'm taking
Speaker 1: offense that you took your hearing aids out because you
Speaker 1: said off record that my laugh wouldn't go down well
Speaker 1: in your hearings.
Speaker 5: I said your cackle would not translate through my hearing
Speaker 5: aids very well.
Speaker 2: Anyway, love that for me.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get into accidentally unfiltered slash confessional. I know,
Speaker 3: I want to say, I'm pretty sure actually some of
Speaker 3: you guys might not know this, but we actually unfiltered
Speaker 3: as kind of bold over time. Sometimes we do actually unfiltered.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we do confessionals. And Brittany has a confessional for
Speaker 3: us today.
Speaker 1: I've got a confessional that I just thought was really funny.
Speaker 1: I want to know who you would do this, I
Speaker 1: became pretty okay friends with my flatmate. We were around
Speaker 1: the same age and had lived together for a few months.
Speaker 1: She started seeing this guy that I had a big
Speaker 1: crush on. It was Valentine's Day and there was a
Speaker 1: knock on the door. I answered it to the biggest
Speaker 1: bunch of flowers and a card from this guy addressed
Speaker 1: to my flatmate. It was honestly the most romantic thing
Speaker 1: I had seen. I hate to admit this, but I
Speaker 1: was so jealous that I threw the card out and
Speaker 1: pretended that the flower was for me. She was so
Speaker 1: upset that he didn't get her anything, and she didn't
Speaker 1: believe him when he said, I promise I sent you
Speaker 1: flowers to make it worse. When she complained to me
Speaker 1: about him, I really doubled down on how shitty it was,
Speaker 1: and she deserved better. I felt so bad ever since,
Speaker 1: and I've been single a long time.
Speaker 2: I think it's karma.
Speaker 6: What the fr.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing out of disbelief because somebody.
Speaker 3: Would do this, like okay, I can't absolve that.
Speaker 1: I think it is so funny and funny, funny in
Speaker 1: like it's mean, like they could have gone you who
Speaker 1: knows they could have gone and got married, you could
Speaker 1: have stopped something in its tracks.
Speaker 3: But I hasn't been that jealous. Look, I take it back.
Speaker 3: You've obviously you're obviously going through a hard time. You've
Speaker 3: had some time to reflect. You know, you don't ride
Speaker 3: in here for judgment. I just think, surely, surely doesn't
Speaker 3: he come over, like, wouldn't he have seen the flowers?
Speaker 3: Like were they doing long distance or something like why
Speaker 3: didn't he see that there was a present that had
Speaker 3: been sent? And then was like, hey, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: they're the flowers I bought, since they're I don't know,
Speaker 3: identical to the photo online.
Speaker 1: I just reckon, there's been a big blow up.
Speaker 3: I reckon. She's just gone to him.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's some sort of discussion about, like, you better
Speaker 1: get me something from Valentine's Day, to the point that
Speaker 1: he's like, I promise you I did, and she's like,
Speaker 1: well I didn't.
Speaker 3: This is why you have to lower your expectations. I
Speaker 3: don't expect anything for Valentine's Day or Mother's Day or anything. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I this year was convinced that Matt was going to
Speaker 3: forget Mother's Day, and so I did not that I did
Speaker 3: a whole lot of stories about shitty Mother's Day gifts,
Speaker 3: just to try and like really drive it home. And
Speaker 3: I woke up in the morning and there was a
Speaker 3: bunch of flowers money. They were dried flowers, and I
Speaker 3: hate drive flowers. But it was still seldom from the neighbor. No,
Speaker 3: do you know what this isn't about me? But this
Speaker 3: year he wrote me the best Mother's Day card. It
Speaker 3: made me so happy. It must be nice. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: read yours. Coming back to this confessional for one second,
Speaker 3: I think that it's a bit mean to try and
Speaker 3: sabotage your friend's relationship.
Speaker 1: I don't think we can absolve this one.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Look, say a few Hail Mary's and you're absolved, all right. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is my accidentally unfiltered that's not mine, it's come in.
Speaker 3: This is I read this one out to Matt and
Speaker 3: he had a good truckle, so hopefully you guys do too. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and
Speaker 3: I have my period, so of course I wore my
Speaker 3: favorite period undies. I then woke up and I went
Speaker 3: to rinse the mat. It was pretty early in the morning.
Speaker 3: And my boyfriend was still in bed, so I rinsed
Speaker 3: them out in his sink, and then I thought, well,
Speaker 3: I might as well wash them a little bit with
Speaker 3: the hand soap because I had to put them in
Speaker 3: a plastic bag and put them in my handbag for
Speaker 3: the day because I was going to work, so I
Speaker 3: didn't want them to smell or get all weird, so
Speaker 3: I just decided i'd wash them in the sink with
Speaker 3: some hand soap. Anyways, the sink then gets clogged or
Speaker 3: it's stuck or something has happened. But the bloody water,
Speaker 3: the bloody soapy water that is full to the brim,
Speaker 3: is not going down. Oh my god, I fucking panic,
Speaker 3: mind you, the sink is crimson red. Then I realized
Speaker 3: I have to get the water out of the sink.
Speaker 3: It's the only way to solve the problem. So there
Speaker 3: I am standing, no pants on taking the water out
Speaker 3: of the sink when my boyfriend flings the door open
Speaker 3: and I am mid ferrying the water from the sink
Speaker 3: into the toilet using his toothbrush.
Speaker 1: Pop ha, how she just had to say, what does.
Speaker 3: She used it? Using his empty toothbrush pup full of
Speaker 3: bloody red wa and He obviously was like, what the
Speaker 3: fuck are you doing? And then she wrote my life.
Speaker 1: Can I just give you one piece of advice, This
Speaker 1: is why you use a moon cup. Ladies and gentlemen
Speaker 1: are mind period undies?
Speaker 3: I wear period undies.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure this girl minds that she wore period
Speaker 1: onneties on this particular day. This is a prime example
Speaker 1: of when you should use the mooncr.
Speaker 3: Pritty, We've had period undy sponsored the PODCA.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure where I wear them.
Speaker 1: I wear them to bed at my own home, But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to someone else's home when
Speaker 1: I know I have to rinse them out and put
Speaker 1: them in a plastic bag and then put them in
Speaker 1: my handbag to sit in my handbag for a whole
Speaker 1: day work, when.
Speaker 3: I could just put a minute cup through. This is
Speaker 3: like pick your time. Yeah, don't play the away game
Speaker 3: with your period undies.
Speaker 1: Don't pay anyway, It's just not worth the risk.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Off the back of that, I think there's no better
Speaker 1: time to get into the chat with Jess And can
Speaker 1: I just say, do you ever think that our guests
Speaker 1: hear the ship we talk about before we introduce them
Speaker 1: and are just like, why the fuck am I following that? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I literally think that every single episode. Anyway, let's get
Speaker 1: into the chat with Jess. Jess Malboy is one of
Speaker 1: Australia's most successful female artists. She has achieved six top
Speaker 1: ten albums and sixteen top twenty singles. Because the albums
Speaker 1: wasn't enough. She has won two Arian Music Awards and
Speaker 1: was ranked sixteenth on the Herald Son's list of one
Speaker 1: hundred Greatest Australian Singers of all time.
Speaker 2: She looks shocked as I'm saying this, like she doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Jess has collaborated with several international artists such as Flow Writer,
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Jay Shawn and Pitbull.
Speaker 2: Laura didn't know who Pitbull was, but we'll leave that
Speaker 2: to other day world one.
Speaker 3: That's embarrassing for me.
Speaker 2: She has toured with beyond saying.
Speaker 1: She's also an amazing actress and known just as an
Speaker 1: all round nice girl. What an intro, Jess, now boy,
Speaker 1: is there anything you can't do?
Speaker 3: Tap dance? You tap it? I can't do a backflip
Speaker 3: this time?
Speaker 2: We can work on that. No, Jess, Welcome to life
Speaker 2: on HI. Thank you for finding the time today.
Speaker 4: Thank you here. Thank you so very much for having me.
Speaker 3: I like that when you sat down, I was trying
Speaker 3: to explain to you how the microphones work. And then
Speaker 3: I was like, Laura, this is definitely not the first
Speaker 3: time you sat in front of.
Speaker 2: A Microsoft just as first.
Speaker 6: Sometimes, no, trust me, Like when I'm in a studio
Speaker 6: and I'm working on some new stuff for writing new
Speaker 6: material music. You know, I have a lot of producers
Speaker 6: that you know do the same because I often kind
Speaker 6: of go off mic and I do a thing where
Speaker 6: I'm just doing my uncut version of how I'm singing physically,
Speaker 6: because I you know, when I am in a studio,
Speaker 6: I sing physically different. So I got to project a
Speaker 6: lot more when you don't have an audio because you're
Speaker 6: you know, you're in a box, and so you have
Speaker 6: to really tell your story. So you have to be
Speaker 6: completely naked and tell the story and be your most vulnerable.
Speaker 6: I normally do that really well when I'm in front
Speaker 6: of people.
Speaker 4: You know, I about to say it's part of the opposite.
Speaker 1: Is that really hard when you're in this little box,
Speaker 1: you're on your own, and you just know there's like
Speaker 1: ten people looking at you like you're a Zoo Animal
Speaker 1: through the Glass?
Speaker 2: Is it hard to get really emotional?
Speaker 6: Well, I like to work with only two producers, well,
Speaker 6: a producer and a songwriters, so there's literally just three
Speaker 6: of us normally in a studio space. But yeah, when
Speaker 6: there is a lot of people, that can be scary.
Speaker 6: But I think the most people can be the most
Speaker 6: naked because you're literally just filtering and you don't have
Speaker 6: any reaction.
Speaker 3: When you're saying that you're there and you're like expressing yourself.
Speaker 3: I mean, firstly, before we get more into how you
Speaker 3: write your songs and how you've gotten into music, we
Speaker 3: do do this thing called accidentally unfiltered, where you tell
Speaker 3: your embarrassing story.
Speaker 2: Yes, don't think you can the very the very.
Speaker 3: First time, when you just said and then I'm standing
Speaker 3: in this box naked, I was like, fuck, that's going
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: A great story.
Speaker 3: Are you meant vulnerable? I get it now? Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: Imagine.
Speaker 3: Wow. I was like, oh we got there quickly. Just
Speaker 3: what is your accidentally unfiltered story?
Speaker 6: I think it takes me back to when I was
Speaker 6: about eleven years old. I have three older sisters and
Speaker 6: one younger sister, so yeah, I'm pretty much in the middle,
Speaker 6: and I thinking of beauty, taking it back to kind
Speaker 6: of beauty and discovering myself and what as you do
Speaker 6: when you're that age and when you have older sis,
Speaker 6: does you kind of pick up on things that they do?
Speaker 6: And I remember one morning, you know, my sister used
Speaker 6: to you know, shape her eyebrows, and I don't know,
Speaker 6: in my mind, I thought this tool which I've obviously
Speaker 6: discovered that it was called a shaver, thought that's what
Speaker 6: made the shape of the eyebrows.
Speaker 4: And so I went into.
Speaker 6: The bathroom and it was it was school morning, and
Speaker 6: literally got the shaver out and put it towards you know,
Speaker 6: my eyebrow, lent it on there, and then just went across,
Speaker 6: you know, did that cross thing took my whole eyebrow
Speaker 6: off and you and I just.
Speaker 4: Thought, hang on, what is going on?
Speaker 3: Like hang on?
Speaker 6: I just boiled my eye screen and I bore my
Speaker 6: eyes out, and I was so embarrassed because I knew,
Speaker 6: you know, my parents were very much like, you know,
Speaker 6: you don't need makeup, you don't need any of these
Speaker 6: things your eyebrows. Yeah. I just remember, like, you know,
Speaker 6: being in front of my dad's face and he's like
Speaker 6: you're a little silly girl.
Speaker 4: He told me. I remember that, and and I just.
Speaker 6: I was like, I can't go to school, and he
Speaker 6: made me go to school. And I remember like just
Speaker 6: like sweeping my my my bangs at the time over
Speaker 6: one eyebrow. Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is something that we can all
Speaker 1: relate to as teenagers.
Speaker 6: We are sh.
Speaker 1: We all over parked so to the point of like
Speaker 1: it was the smallest little taility and but you just.
Speaker 2: Took it one.
Speaker 4: I did the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You were in the whole kitodle.
Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up hard during the nineties though,
Speaker 3: so like having no eyebrows just kind of in fashion
Speaker 3: and beyond mine is still recovery to this day.
Speaker 4: Took it to another level.
Speaker 3: Just talking about your childhood. You grew up in the
Speaker 3: Northern Territory, what the early years like like, what was
Speaker 3: just like when she was a little girl before she
Speaker 3: became the super megastar that you are today.
Speaker 6: It was pretty It was kind of a bit of
Speaker 6: a breeze and we had to use our imagination. It
Speaker 6: was always kind of go in the water holes and
Speaker 6: you know, we'd kind of check if there was any
Speaker 6: crocs in there before we'd put our bodies in there,
Speaker 6: and we like, it was quite wild and free, you know,
Speaker 6: bush bashing and Dad's you in the back of the
Speaker 6: youth trying to hold on and going through you know,
Speaker 6: potholes and trying not to get thrown off the back
Speaker 6: of the ute.
Speaker 2: You're like, what can I can't say? He'll know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, like climbing mango trees. That was
Speaker 6: pretty much, you know, being out in community on country.
Speaker 6: Growing up on Larachiere Country was very much a cultural thing.
Speaker 6: Learning language and just being with family. That was pretty
Speaker 6: much the routine.
Speaker 1: And were you always super overachieve that and really musical?
Speaker 1: And is it something that you knew you wanted to do?
Speaker 1: You know how we see like the Taylor Swift child
Speaker 1: prodigy and it's like recording hit albums when she's two
Speaker 1: years old. Were you like that kind of a child
Speaker 1: or did you grow into it a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I grew into it.
Speaker 6: My grandfather all grew up singing in a church, so
Speaker 6: sang a lot of hymns at first, and then you know,
Speaker 6: mom's and dad's music kind of came into play a
Speaker 6: lot of seventies, a lot of kind of rocks or
Speaker 6: cultures or abba and then yeah, my grandparents used to
Speaker 6: look after a church, so that they were basically caretakers
Speaker 6: of a church, but also did a lot of the sermons,
Speaker 6: did a lot of the Sunday School choir singing, and
Speaker 6: so yeah, just kind of I grew into it. I
Speaker 6: wasn't taught it. It was really something that I just
Speaker 6: picked up along the way. But my second older sister,
Speaker 6: we thought she was going to be the singer of
Speaker 6: the family because she was totally into Whitney, into Mariah,
Speaker 6: like a massive fan of Mariah Carey had the whole
Speaker 6: poster thing. You never saw the white walls. It was
Speaker 6: just filled with posters. And I think that's kind of
Speaker 6: where I started to pick up, you know, what music did,
Speaker 6: the different styles of it. I mean, I went through
Speaker 6: a phase of not only Whitney, Michael Jackson, Mariah, but
Speaker 6: Hanson's Bewitched.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, who was your inspir
Speaker 1: because Laura had some posters she used to make out
Speaker 1: with the pants and Hans.
Speaker 3: I still think about the days when I thought I
Speaker 3: was going to marry Taylor Hanson. I got Taylor, I
Speaker 3: was convinced you.
Speaker 2: Used to make out with your posters.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, it's fun. I think about one point.
Speaker 6: Like I did like love eye contact, you know with
Speaker 6: with Hanson's poster and Taylor and I like I would
Speaker 6: literally talk to like if he was there.
Speaker 3: Of course, I like had a hollow wire, had a
Speaker 3: whole follow folder folder.
Speaker 6: It was actually my choir, my choir, like had all
Speaker 6: my sheets of like choir music, and I turned it
Speaker 6: into a poster folder.
Speaker 3: Okay, but this is different for me in that there
Speaker 3: was never a chance that I was ever going to
Speaker 3: meet these people, whereas for you, like you have like
Speaker 3: moved into a world reality. Yeah, where like these people
Speaker 3: that you idolized as a child, you've had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to meet some of them. Yes, what's that experience? Like?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean even like Snoop Dogg was a
Speaker 6: huge one for me. My elder sister was like a
Speaker 6: Wu Tang you know, Warreng fan Biggie Small's and so
Speaker 6: I was introduced to Snoop Dogg through my elder sister.
Speaker 4: And when I wrote Get Him Girls.
Speaker 6: When I was in Atlanta recording my my second record,
Speaker 6: I was working with Bangladesh, who happened to be seen
Speaker 6: a lot of stuff for a little Wayne at the time,
Speaker 6: and actually litl Wayne was just coming up in the
Speaker 6: world and they were all kind of working in the
Speaker 6: same studio. And I wrote the song get Him Girls
Speaker 6: about all these different styles of shoes. I got on
Speaker 6: my get them Girls. I got on my get them Girls,
Speaker 6: I can catch one my way to the front page.
Speaker 6: I got on my get them girls. Put to get
Speaker 6: them girls on a swinger hips this way. I remember
Speaker 6: writing the song with Bangladesh and he had this thought of, Hey,
Speaker 6: I'm you know, I'm working with Snoop Dogg. You know,
Speaker 6: well he didn't say that at first, but he was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I could hear a rap on this.
Speaker 4: You know, do you have anybody in mind?
Speaker 6: And I thought, well, I don't know, there's a few
Speaker 6: people that come to mind, but you know, what are
Speaker 6: your thoughts?
Speaker 4: And he, you know, he dropped Snoop's name.
Speaker 2: It's just check my diary. I am free for Snoop Dogg,
Speaker 2: yes forever.
Speaker 6: And literally the next day that I rocked up to
Speaker 6: the second of studio, he said, I've got someone special
Speaker 6: coming in and a few hours a few hours later,
Speaker 6: Snoop comes through the door and I'm literally fangirl girling,
Speaker 6: like I'm like, yo, my elder sister is such a
Speaker 6: huge fan. But because of you, I was able to
Speaker 6: be introduced to your music and understand, you know, the
Speaker 6: words that you spit. And it was crazy because he
Speaker 6: was like I the first thing he said was well,
Speaker 6: I love Australia. He was like, I love Australia. You know,
Speaker 6: I can't, I can't enter into Australia. But yeah, it
Speaker 6: was really cool because he legit had a one take
Speaker 6: of doing the rap on the song, and we spent
Speaker 6: a few days and we ended up doing the video
Speaker 6: clip and got to meet his family, and he brought
Speaker 6: his family along, his children, and he became like an uncle,
Speaker 6: like an uncle Snoop, you know, and obviously the age gap,
Speaker 6: I just felt like he was a big brother and
Speaker 6: almost like an uncle.
Speaker 4: But it was one of the wildest moments of my life.
Speaker 6: And I just thought, thanks to my sister, I actually
Speaker 6: you know, I became a huge fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I am.
Speaker 2: I am fangling that you fangirl Snoop. Yeah, what's he like?
Speaker 2: Like is in real is he It's cool in real life?
Speaker 6: It's a super cool, super chilled. He's totally about in
Speaker 6: the moment. So when he's in the moment, he just
Speaker 6: speaks of the moment. But he's also quick to change
Speaker 6: his mind too, so like if you know he likes
Speaker 6: something in that one second and then.
Speaker 4: He'd like yeah, it's yeah. He's very quick.
Speaker 6: He's just obviously he's a busy, busy man you can imagine,
Speaker 6: but a very family orientated. I felt like when I
Speaker 6: first met him and when he introduced me to his
Speaker 6: family that came along to the music video, like I
Speaker 6: felt like I'd known him forever.
Speaker 3: Does it still feel surreal to you when you are
Speaker 3: in these situations and you're working alongside other huge stars
Speaker 3: or is it kind of like, ah, nah, this is
Speaker 3: my this is my space now, like I'm comfortable with this,
Speaker 3: or yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I still get I still get anxious. I still
Speaker 6: get like, how does that affect them? You know, when
Speaker 6: they're meeting new people. So I tend to think of
Speaker 6: that first, and then I think, yo, I'm actually in
Speaker 6: front of this person that I've listened to, you know,
Speaker 6: I've followed their story, and then I actually get to
Speaker 6: collaborate with them. So yeah, it becomes like wow, is
Speaker 6: feels normal, And yes, I respect that there's like this
Speaker 6: human connection happening and playing out right now, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm still kind of screaming on the inside. There's still
Speaker 6: a scream on the inside.
Speaker 3: Circling back on your story and how you got into
Speaker 3: music and you as a little kid. I think so
Speaker 3: many people who remember would know you from your stint
Speaker 3: in reality TV at the very start, like that is
Speaker 3: kind of how you broke into the music industry. Can
Speaker 3: you talk about that period and what that was like
Speaker 3: and how that was the springboard of what put you
Speaker 3: into the for the forefront of media.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I have to say it was the most beautiful time too,
Speaker 6: because I just turned sixteen. You know, I was at
Speaker 6: the end of finishing school and kind of not having
Speaker 6: a plan for school for studies particularly, and I knew
Speaker 6: that music dominated everything at that point, and at that
Speaker 6: age I had an intuition. My intuition was I'm going
Speaker 6: to do music for a long time. I just need
Speaker 6: to get on board with it. I actually need to
Speaker 6: be not half hearted, I need to be fully in it.
Speaker 6: And I knew that I was going to be spending
Speaker 6: more time outside of my community away from family. I
Speaker 6: just kind of prepared myself and I think that preparation
Speaker 6: of doing a lot of busking, going out and doing
Speaker 6: you know, school of steadfas created armor so that I
Speaker 6: was able to go out and be involved in the
Speaker 6: rest of the world or the industry itself, and particularly
Speaker 6: in Australia.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 6: I just knew that I had to be prepared mentally
Speaker 6: and physically whatever was going to be thrown at me.
Speaker 6: And the Idol was that idle doing that show was
Speaker 6: that eye opener of like, yo, it's bigger than me.
Speaker 3: And I think for anyone who doesn't remember this, like
Speaker 3: Jess was on two thousand and six, I think season
Speaker 3: four of Australian Idol. And this is also like at
Speaker 3: the time where like Australian Idol was the biggest reality
Speaker 3: TV show in Australia. It was such a fucking behemoth
Speaker 3: of a show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but in your.
Speaker 3: Experience, like you as a person, I guess like at
Speaker 3: that time in Australia in two thousand and six, it
Speaker 3: was such a huge underrepresentation of Indigenous women having these
Speaker 3: successful music careers anywhere. For that man, totally, I'm being
Speaker 3: this like little kid from the bush. How did that
Speaker 3: experience shape for you? And not seeing that there was
Speaker 3: somebody else who's kind of paved the way or had
Speaker 3: that success. Was there not a moment where you were
Speaker 3: like where do I fit in this world?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, I was lucky enough to have a few role models,
Speaker 6: and I think Shelley Morris plays a huge part in
Speaker 6: the Northern Territory community. She's that kind of alternative, folky
Speaker 6: but soul. She's got like a lot of jazz in
Speaker 6: her in her voice, and she was someone that I
Speaker 6: just paid a pathway for me.
Speaker 4: Another is Christina Knew. I mean when she came out with.
Speaker 6: Why don't you come join my party? Let's move to
Speaker 6: the break, I'm done, gotta hit the music, bring in,
Speaker 6: bring it on.
Speaker 4: She blew my mind.
Speaker 6: And as a Torrest straight woman, it very much stands
Speaker 6: for her culture and where she comes from. That played
Speaker 6: a huge role in terms of me growing up on
Speaker 6: Larachia Nation and you know, being a prod cook analogy
Speaker 6: and what common woman. But also I identified in a
Speaker 6: way was she's someone who's of color and a woman
Speaker 6: and is really kind of dominating this her spirit in
Speaker 6: this music space and I thought, that's what I want
Speaker 6: to do. You know, I saw, you know, the Hathie Freeman,
Speaker 6: Deborah Malman in their industry, and for me, Shelley any
Speaker 6: Ruby as well as Christina Knew were women who I
Speaker 6: knew that guided me and helped me and reinforced me that, Yo,
Speaker 6: I'm going to do this and regardless of culture, I'm
Speaker 6: actually going to work. I'm want to work and understand
Speaker 6: how music is with me and how it fits with me,
Speaker 6: and I'm going to try this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Christina knew, God, she had some bang. It's
Speaker 1: like I remember that. It sounds different when I say,
Speaker 1: but she was just well, I won't make you suffer
Speaker 1: that your ears will bleed. I'm the t tone deaf,
Speaker 1: but she was so incredible. But I think around that time,
Speaker 1: we have to remember that because I think we're about
Speaker 1: the same age.
Speaker 2: Six seven whatever.
Speaker 6: He's counting at a few.
Speaker 1: But I think people, you were so young, right, you
Speaker 1: were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, We didn't even really like this
Speaker 1: is when the Internet came in, So it's not like
Speaker 1: we just had this excessive access to Google people and
Speaker 1: to search people. And for I think when you actually
Speaker 1: put yourself back then in a position of you as
Speaker 1: a fifteen year old being thrust into the limelight, and
Speaker 1: for you to say, I'm just going to commit to this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it everything. That is just so,
Speaker 1: you know, very very rare for a teenager to say
Speaker 1: I need.
Speaker 2: To go all in and dedicate my entire life to this.
Speaker 2: That's not something we come across often.
Speaker 6: No, not no, And yeah, I guess when you put
Speaker 6: it that way, I was determined. And I think because
Speaker 6: of you know, my parents, them seeing the pental, them
Speaker 6: seeing the ability that I couldn't quite understand. And I
Speaker 6: think we do come of a generation that we just
Speaker 6: had to because we didn't have the tools, and they
Speaker 6: weren't kind of a way that they are now.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're crazy.
Speaker 6: The access is intense and is insane, but we didn't
Speaker 6: have that particular access.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we couldn't just look people up.
Speaker 6: And even the way that we went to gigs or
Speaker 6: we bought music was completely different.
Speaker 2: We physically bought a ticket and you had to make
Speaker 2: sure you turned.
Speaker 4: On wait yeah wait.
Speaker 6: We would wait for the tickets to go on sale,
Speaker 6: and we didn't know whether you know, and we had
Speaker 6: to go to the CD store to see them on sale.
Speaker 6: You know, very very different now, But I think when
Speaker 6: I look back at it, it was very encouraged and supported,
Speaker 6: Like I had a very supportive family that could see
Speaker 6: something that I didn't quite understand then. But and I
Speaker 6: think having not understood it made it a lot more
Speaker 6: impactful because I just I was intrigued.
Speaker 4: I wanted to know. I wanted to do the work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard you speak before about growing up
Speaker 1: in your words, Paul Poor, Yeah, what was that like
Speaker 1: for you? Do you recognize now that there were sacrifices made,
Speaker 1: or that your family might have had to have worked
Speaker 1: a little bit harder to encourage you to get to
Speaker 1: where you are?
Speaker 3: What was that like?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I guess being one of five, I think there
Speaker 6: were a lot of things, you know, particularly how we
Speaker 6: even ate, how we even ate together at the table
Speaker 6: taught us a lot.
Speaker 4: And I guess in portion.
Speaker 6: Too, just I think the way that both of my
Speaker 6: parents grew up, particularly with my dad growing up in
Speaker 6: a village in Indonesia with no hot running water. It
Speaker 6: was always kind of going to one hundred k's down
Speaker 6: the road with your bucket to go get the water.
Speaker 4: Out of the world.
Speaker 6: So I think the way and the lifestyle of living
Speaker 6: kind of taught us siblings development of actually working hard,
Speaker 6: so physically working and what my parents didn't have and
Speaker 6: who they didn't have, you know, not having their parents
Speaker 6: to kind of guide them. So really that plays a
Speaker 6: huge role in the way that I do my work,
Speaker 6: or the way I see my work and be humbled
Speaker 6: by it and to love it as much as I
Speaker 6: can and hold onto it.
Speaker 3: How do you go through the process of how you
Speaker 3: actually write a song or your inspiration for writing a song?
Speaker 3: What is your process for this?
Speaker 6: Generally, my process is I love to start off with
Speaker 6: like humming a melody, like and that's you know, that
Speaker 6: could be from the sound of the atmosphe that's playing
Speaker 6: out outside on the streets or where I'm sitting at
Speaker 6: the time, whether it's a cafe or sitting at a
Speaker 6: train station, or there's so many sounds that things are
Speaker 6: making that are creating melody, the hum of the air condition.
Speaker 1: I just actually think I heard you humming when I
Speaker 1: was in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Were you getting inspired by me because someone was humming?
Speaker 3: It was you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3: Don't think it was you urinating that it inspires her.
Speaker 3: That's what you're getting. Who knows, Laura.
Speaker 6: But it's it's always it's I think it's just a
Speaker 6: habit thing that I do as well, that I naturally
Speaker 6: hum and sometimes I don't even know that I'm doing it.
Speaker 6: And I did that a lot in school, and I
Speaker 6: would get in loads of trouble for disrupting the class
Speaker 6: for humming and not knowing that I would be humming
Speaker 6: and the teacher would get up and you'd be like,
Speaker 6: you know what you're doing and I'm like no, She's like,
Speaker 6: you're humming and it's really loud and.
Speaker 4: You're disrupting the classroom.
Speaker 6: So sometimes to you know, obviously, the punishment was for
Speaker 6: me to go and sit with my face near the
Speaker 6: wall of the of the concrete wall and think about classes.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine that though, because as a teacher, you
Speaker 3: would think this habit that you have is in no
Speaker 3: way going to benefit your future? What is what made
Speaker 3: me who I am?
Speaker 6: I've thought about that, you know, quite often, and kind
Speaker 6: of giggle to myself and you know, wonder about that
Speaker 6: teacher and where she is and you know, thanking her
Speaker 6: for you know, allowing me to reflect on what I've
Speaker 6: just done you know, thank you missus Burke.
Speaker 1: When you write, say, when you do write a song
Speaker 1: or you collaborate with someone.
Speaker 2: How does it work?
Speaker 1: So just say like ludicrous orf snoop right, they.
Speaker 2: Want to do a song with you? Does someone just.
Speaker 1: Slide into DM and be like yo, like let's hit
Speaker 1: this up. I don't know if they speak.
Speaker 6: Sometimes producers, yeah, producers will kind of. And because of
Speaker 6: the way of connecting with everyone now, with you know,
Speaker 6: the certain accounts that we have and platforms, it's as
Speaker 6: easy as sending sending a message people dming and going,
Speaker 6: you know, like hey, you know, I've just finished writing
Speaker 6: this song.
Speaker 4: You know, do you want to hop on it?
Speaker 6: Or Apple Juice Kid, who's an incredible he's going to
Speaker 6: die but he he actually did.
Speaker 4: A remix of my song Butterfly.
Speaker 6: Butterfly He's Gonna Keep the Flying. And it was mad
Speaker 6: because he created this whole new production and actually did
Speaker 6: a like almost like a bass drop.
Speaker 4: At a weight line, so it's like a boo and
Speaker 4: it's like vibe. It's like a vibration drum. And I remember.
Speaker 6: Losing my shit hats because it was just it was
Speaker 6: just something that moved me and I you know, you know,
Speaker 6: you've got your favorite songs that move you, whether it's
Speaker 6: the melody or whether it's the bead, the tempo, or
Speaker 6: it might be just a lick in the song that
Speaker 6: someone's singing. And he's like someone who's just reached out recently,
Speaker 6: and I've just adored the way his processes and how
Speaker 6: he produces and so hopefully, you know, this kind of
Speaker 6: gets us going and you know, creating the juices. Lowing
Speaker 6: just reminded me that he had DMed me and said, hey,
Speaker 6: like come on now, like we've you know, we've we've
Speaker 6: come saying this, We've been saying this for quite some time.
Speaker 6: But let's get our team together and do our things.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you can actually live in that world now.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we get a lot of guests on
Speaker 1: like that. We just slide into a DM and we're like,
Speaker 1: well you come on the podcast.
Speaker 4: But it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, the opportunities that can arise from now are incredible.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it also shows the accessibility, whereas, like before,
Speaker 3: when you would have someone who is a superstar, whether
Speaker 3: it be an actor or a singer, they seem so
Speaker 3: far away from us. They were so unattainable, whereas now
Speaker 3: we have this like incredible almost voyeurism into people's lives,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I can jump on your Instagram and
Speaker 3: I feel like I have this higher level of connection
Speaker 3: or I understand like day to day, and I.
Speaker 4: Think that's the most important.
Speaker 6: I feel like I had come on the scene well
Speaker 6: whilst that was still happening, so you know, it was like,
Speaker 6: let's not do none of those levels of things and
Speaker 6: let's just kind of separate. Like, I feel like there
Speaker 6: was definitely a separation of that time when I was
Speaker 6: coming into the music scene, because that was the thought
Speaker 6: of creating. What's that word when it's like, yeah, just unreachable.
Speaker 6: We're all very much doing our thing. You know, we're
Speaker 6: all very equal, and I always have to wonder that.
Speaker 6: But now that everything is so kind of open and
Speaker 6: you do have that access, I think has created a
Speaker 6: level of everyone's important. Everyone's on a level of like
Speaker 6: just doing and creating, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: I think that's good.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: This might be a bit of an odd question, but
Speaker 3: it was something I read recently, and it was actually
Speaker 3: something that Taylor Swift had said in terms of women
Speaker 3: in the music industry, and she said that like as
Speaker 3: a female in the music industry, there is this pressure
Speaker 3: to constantly recreate, stay relevant, almost like reimage your Have
Speaker 3: you felt that you've had these different almost like recreations
Speaker 3: of your image of yourself as an artist or do
Speaker 3: you feel it's been a very like whether it's been
Speaker 3: a conscious decision or just a natural progression throughout your career.
Speaker 6: I feel like there has been both like a conscious
Speaker 6: but also there has been pressure as well, you know,
Speaker 6: And I think when you work with all kinds of
Speaker 6: you know, you have so many different relationships, whether it's
Speaker 6: the label management, digital creative team, like, there's like all
Speaker 6: these things people are channeling through. And so for me,
Speaker 6: I think it took me time to find the right
Speaker 6: people to then deliver, you know, the right thing, and
Speaker 6: that always takes time. Again, that takes patience, that takes
Speaker 6: kind of bravery to allow your creative to fall into
Speaker 6: that person's hand and you know, it's either they understand
Speaker 6: it or they don't and you move on. So I
Speaker 6: think for me, it's just being able to, I guess,
Speaker 6: meet the right people along the way and if it
Speaker 6: feels right and they're on board with you or they
Speaker 6: are like minded, then you continue and that brings more
Speaker 6: freedom for me and a more conscious thinking of like
Speaker 6: how I see myself and the way that I walk,
Speaker 6: the way that I talk, and that has to be
Speaker 6: infused in everything.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like a package, right, because I think we
Speaker 3: can focus so much on just the music, which is
Speaker 3: obviously like the most important terms of creative outlet.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But then there's also Jessica Malboy, who is a like
Speaker 3: you are your product as well.
Speaker 4: Crazy.
Speaker 6: It's so crazy to even think of it like that
Speaker 6: because I was I was having a big conversation with
Speaker 6: my sisters because half of the time, like will go
Speaker 6: out and you know, we'll be halfway eating through when
Speaker 6: someone comes to and it's like.
Speaker 4: You just a calm alboy, Like you just a cool malboy.
Speaker 4: My sister's like here we go.
Speaker 3: Have a photo and fuck well.
Speaker 6: Like literally halfway with like spaghetti and mouth. But sometimes
Speaker 6: I like, I totally forget and using my my real
Speaker 6: born the name that I was born with, you know,
Speaker 6: because most people go out with their alter ego name
Speaker 6: or you know, it's it's a it's a made up name.
Speaker 6: It's because of a like this is my proper my
Speaker 6: on my birth certificate, it's my passport, is on my
Speaker 6: driver's lesnse.
Speaker 2: What you say is true, and I think we Laura
Speaker 2: and I were talking about this the other day in regards.
Speaker 1: To the conversation we're having, was around Justin Bieber's and
Speaker 1: I think it's the same with you. When somebody is
Speaker 1: in the public eye from such a young age, there
Speaker 1: is just a natural evolution of you and your brand
Speaker 1: and finding who you are. And I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of the time it's people saying, oh, like Justin Bieber,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a bad boy.
Speaker 2: Now, like I've got no no.
Speaker 1: I think, of course there's conscious decisions as well, but
Speaker 1: you are just literally growing up in the public eye
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to go along with you while
Speaker 1: you signed yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I find that I have grown up, growing
Speaker 6: up and changing in the eyes of the of the
Speaker 6: public has been very natural for me and exciting too,
Speaker 6: because I do have an alter ego that has kind
Speaker 6: of formed during business or age, or you do have
Speaker 6: a side of you that is a little bit more
Speaker 6: like spicy.
Speaker 3: You're still the nicest girl and.
Speaker 4: It's still nice, you know.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: But do you know what I'm thinking sitting here the
Speaker 2: whole time? I can't you probably see me looking at it.
Speaker 3: You I'm just like, she's so cool.
Speaker 2: I'm not corner.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking at the earrings and the top
Speaker 2: of the necklace.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm more, Hey, we do that.
Speaker 4: I do that.
Speaker 6: Like I sit there like, you know, even like my
Speaker 6: manager over there, she's like sitting there and I'm like, Yo,
Speaker 6: her pants are so cool. Those dude, I'm going to
Speaker 6: try and build that tomorrow, you know, And I'm gonna
Speaker 6: wear something like that tomorrow.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We do that.
Speaker 4: We do that.
Speaker 3: How humanizing is that? Though? Because I think like you
Speaker 3: can look in and you know, through social media, as
Speaker 3: we spoke about things can seem so unattainable in certain
Speaker 3: ways still, you know, and like we put people up
Speaker 3: on a pedestal and then it's so incredible to have
Speaker 3: these conversations. It's so humanizing where it's like most people
Speaker 3: are still figuring it out all the way as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just decided I'm going to get a second.
Speaker 1: There's so many I want to I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about love. Yeah, we love love here at
Speaker 1: Life on card and your fiancee.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Emily.
Speaker 1: You guys have been together, well, I know you long
Speaker 1: distance for seven years, but how long have you been
Speaker 1: together together?
Speaker 4: We have nine two and nine.
Speaker 2: So someone in the room did a mouth or fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 4: Fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, fifteen years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the first two years was actually it was the
Speaker 6: second year. You know, when you meet the person and
Speaker 6: it's like you go through that phase in your life
Speaker 6: you're like, oh, you have a particular look of a
Speaker 6: guy that you go to. And I was I was
Speaker 6: literally like eighteen, you know, I was like sixteen seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 6: On my eighteenth birthday, went out with a few girls
Speaker 6: and it was actually eight of us, eight of us girls,
Speaker 6: and I hadn't seen them in a while because I'd
Speaker 6: just come off board performing with a girl band at
Speaker 6: the time called the Young Divers.
Speaker 4: And they were an influence I was.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was sixteen at the time when I
Speaker 6: first went into this girl band and they were crazy,
Speaker 6: and you know, I cured us to them. They were
Speaker 6: the girl band at the time, I mean I remember,
Speaker 6: and strong women as well, but ah, crazy crazy in
Speaker 6: a very good way, in a very strong way, but
Speaker 6: I remember meeting up a maid of my girlfriends, and
Speaker 6: you know, we decided we're going to go out, and
Speaker 6: normally we do like a little playing a game like
Speaker 6: truth or Dare.
Speaker 4: In this case, yeah, this was This was a damn moment.
Speaker 6: It was I had kind of missed a lot of
Speaker 6: those games in the club and they decided to get me,
Speaker 6: get me really good. And one of my best friends
Speaker 6: she was like, Yo, we're gonna play truth. Dad just
Speaker 6: hasn't been here, so it's her turn. She's up, girl,
Speaker 6: what are you gonna do? I'm like, all right, Dare?
Speaker 6: And I was just in a daring mood because I
Speaker 6: didn't you know, when you see your girlfriends, you go
Speaker 6: you go off like you you know, drop down and
Speaker 6: get your eagle ona, you know. And in fact, this
Speaker 6: dare was really out of my comfort zone.
Speaker 3: What was the dad?
Speaker 6: The dare was they knew of this, so I didn't
Speaker 6: know this, but they went to school with this guy. Well,
Speaker 6: my partner, now she goes, what did she say to me, Oh,
Speaker 6: I'm going to point my finger's going to point to
Speaker 6: a person down on the dance floor. Because we were
Speaker 6: literally on like the third floor of this club called discovery,
Speaker 6: mind you, discovery.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: She points to this person in the in the crowd
Speaker 6: and she's like, he's wearing white.
Speaker 4: He's the only guy that's wearing white.
Speaker 6: She's pointing, and I'm looking and I'm like, yo, I
Speaker 6: can't believe I'm doing this. I make my way down.
Speaker 6: I'm freaking out. I'm like, this is not me, just
Speaker 6: this is not you. What are you doing? Before I go,
Speaker 6: she says, I want you to crab claw him on
Speaker 6: the on the butt, like on the.
Speaker 3: On his cheek, which you can't do.
Speaker 4: You can't do that anymore.
Speaker 2: Like we're talking.
Speaker 3: Nine guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is when when you know, when you could.
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god. But yeah.
Speaker 6: I went down there and literally as I got closer,
Speaker 6: there was like all these fellows that was surrounding this
Speaker 6: one guy and I eventually I found a gap between
Speaker 6: one of the fellows. So they're like moving and you know,
Speaker 6: dancing to the music. And I found the gap and
Speaker 6: I was like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually going to do this.
Speaker 6: My hand goes straight in and I see his cheek
Speaker 6: and I'm like, yo, I literally clawed that. As I
Speaker 6: was like, well and my hand came straight out, I ran,
Speaker 6: I ran I went straight to like what I ran?
Speaker 2: I literally ran.
Speaker 3: I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Can't believe I've just done this.
Speaker 6: I ran to the bar and I'm standing there and
Speaker 6: I'm freaking out.
Speaker 4: I look back up to the girls. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: I did it, but yo, I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 6: And then literally like two minutes later, I've just ordered,
Speaker 6: you know, my Bodcurren Cranberry juice drink and I'm standing
Speaker 6: there and I looked to my right and he's literally
Speaker 6: standing there, and I freak out. I was like, can
Speaker 6: is my drink ready?
Speaker 2: Can you?
Speaker 4: Like yeah? And she's like yep.
Speaker 6: Coming all of a sudden, I feel like this breeze
Speaker 6: in my ear and.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, that's like turn like he's.
Speaker 4: Talking in my ear saying I know it was you.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 6: He was like I know it was you, like screaming
Speaker 6: in the club, like in my ear, and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 6: I don't even know who you are.
Speaker 4: And he's like, see.
Speaker 6: All those Wallas, like they're all my friends and they
Speaker 6: saw you do it. Anyway, he was annoying by the
Speaker 6: whole night after that, like you just wouldn't leave me alone,
Speaker 6: And I was like, yo, this well is not my type.
Speaker 6: This was a dare, like how did I get myself
Speaker 6: into this? And now you won't leave me alone?
Speaker 4: Later?
Speaker 6: But it was crazy because, as you know, would come
Speaker 6: home every four five times a year. I'd see him
Speaker 6: at the places that I would have my favorite coffee
Speaker 6: shop or you know, the shopping center, just places, and
Speaker 6: I just started to see him and I was like.
Speaker 4: Yo, Universe, what are you doing.
Speaker 6: It was that following year that I said, Yo, let's
Speaker 6: I'm willing to make this work if you are this
Speaker 6: is actually what I do. Is my profession, so hardly
Speaker 6: have a home, but you know, I'd like to make
Speaker 6: this work. And yeah, I felt like that.
Speaker 1: Then the universe, how did you make it work?
Speaker 3: Folks? I think so many people long distance is hard,
Speaker 3: Like long distance is something that can for any even
Speaker 3: a great healthy relationship. Can you throw a huge spanner
Speaker 3: in the works? How did you guys make it work?
Speaker 3: And for anyone listening who may be doing long distance,
Speaker 3: what's your advice in that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, there was a lot of like you know, texting, calling.
Speaker 4: I used all my credit, my.
Speaker 2: Votophone credit an.
Speaker 6: From that connection. We just kind of just allowed it
Speaker 6: to happen. I think it was just calling each other,
Speaker 6: texting each other, you know, yo, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: And he didn't know what I did, Like it was
Speaker 6: just weird. But his friends knew because they had watched
Speaker 6: the show, so they knew I was just a maleboy
Speaker 6: from Australian idol and you know that I was becoming
Speaker 6: an artist. And he was like, well, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 6: was the day that.
Speaker 3: Was you know, like from the dance floor.
Speaker 6: Yo. But I think just that opposite worlds like completely
Speaker 6: just attracted, you know. I just you know, loved how
Speaker 6: he was as a human and I started to understand
Speaker 6: his world and like how family orientated he was and
Speaker 6: how close he is with you know, his.
Speaker 4: Siblings and mom and dad.
Speaker 6: And that was an important thing, you know for me
Speaker 6: is that I'm very close with my parents and get
Speaker 6: along so well with my family, and I think that
Speaker 6: was the one thing that really bonded us. So when
Speaker 6: our families did meet, it kind of seals the like
Speaker 6: our dads are bombardies, like from the get go, like
Speaker 6: they would take each other out fishing, cook each other breakfast.
Speaker 6: Even our moms you know, would hang out until you know,
Speaker 6: over a wine and crack a joke. But once we
Speaker 6: knew that kind of sealed our bond of like yo,
Speaker 6: where our families love each other. So if that's what
Speaker 6: we're seeing, then we're automatically we're gonna fall in that.
Speaker 3: And do you think as well, like, because it must
Speaker 3: be such an immense amount of trust that you have
Speaker 3: to have in your partner when you're not in the
Speaker 3: country as much distance. Yeah, as much as staying it
Speaker 3: is important.
Speaker 6: But just there was a lot of that, Like there
Speaker 6: was a lot of kind of heartache in the sense
Speaker 6: of distance, and like you would see my family out,
Speaker 6: you know, there would be a little bit of jealousy,
Speaker 6: like you'd be hanging out with my you know, my
Speaker 6: family at the same time. You know, you just go
Speaker 6: through those stages of how things are developing and how
Speaker 6: we react. And there was a lot where I just
Speaker 6: felt like maybe it wasn't going going to work. The
Speaker 6: amount of times I felt that way, I was like,
Speaker 6: if I am feeling this way, then something must be
Speaker 6: But I'm in love and I love him, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: it was like I just wanted to be always with him.
Speaker 6: And so just the understanding developed, you know, and and
Speaker 6: the way we react to life and the situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I also imagine it would be hard. Like
Speaker 1: long distance is one thing, but when it's long distancing
Speaker 1: that you know, you know your partner's a babe, then
Speaker 1: you know they're hanging out with some of the biggest
Speaker 1: names in the world.
Speaker 2: It must it's got to be. There has to be
Speaker 2: one hundred percent trust.
Speaker 1: Because if I was sitting back and I my partners
Speaker 1: with all these Victoria's Secret models.
Speaker 4: And that, Yeah, and that's the great I think.
Speaker 6: I think because he was so oblivious to he just
Speaker 6: didn't know my world enough to feel like that. But
Speaker 6: I would be the opposite, which kind of drove me
Speaker 6: insane because I'd be like, yo, like be weird, like
Speaker 6: I don't know, like when you don't know your partner's
Speaker 6: friends enough or haven't hadn't had spent that time.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think those things really developed and kind of
Speaker 6: hit hard at home a lot, and I think that
Speaker 6: definitely just made me stronger and made me realize, yo,
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 4: Anything for this feller. So yeah, yeah, very cute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is not only I mean, not only do
Speaker 3: you have your most recent single that you've released, but
Speaker 3: also we've been seeing you on our TV screens on
Speaker 3: free to air. Baby you are, yeah, that you are
Speaker 3: one of the hosts of the Voice, And I think
Speaker 3: that this is a beautiful full circle story for you,
Speaker 3: going from being a contestant on Idol, yeah, to being
Speaker 3: the judge behind the scenes now who is yeah, mentoring
Speaker 3: and taking these it's next wave of talent through that process.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what has that been like for you?
Speaker 6: It does overwhelm me at times, Like sometimes I'll sit
Speaker 6: there and I'm like, I'm literally watching someone so brave
Speaker 6: tell their story through a you know, like a song
Speaker 6: or even you know, some of them come up and
Speaker 6: sing my songs and I'm like, I see what you're
Speaker 6: doing with that.
Speaker 4: You completely made it your own.
Speaker 6: You went, you did something different, you know, and being
Speaker 6: consistently this is my second year of coaching on the Voice,
Speaker 6: and just unbelievable kind of witnessing young mob I've never studied,
Speaker 6: only ever sung in their bedrooms. That brought back a
Speaker 6: lot of those memories of me discovering music. Brings a
Speaker 6: lot of kind of humbleness I guess as a coach
Speaker 6: because I don't know everything, but at least my process
Speaker 6: was very authentic and wasn't just like I kind of
Speaker 6: wasn't just thrushed. I mean I.
Speaker 4: Busked my way.
Speaker 6: I I did the streets, you know, singing on the streets,
Speaker 6: I did, playing backing tracks and singing people's covers, and
Speaker 6: then developing myself vocally whilst doing all those things. And
Speaker 6: for a lot of these artists having that first hand
Speaker 6: opportunity to go on a show like The Voice, I
Speaker 6: mean does wonders, It does everything in one moment, it.
Speaker 4: Could make or break you.
Speaker 6: And I've seen that as that have come off and said,
Speaker 6: you know what is actually not for me?
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you something that we're seeing
Speaker 1: in immediate at the moment, like literally in the last
Speaker 1: couple of days, and that is the paid disparity. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you're with your hosting duties, You've got Guy, Rita and Keith,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing a lot about a potential mass walkout
Speaker 1: because people are not being paid equally. Is there any
Speaker 1: truth to this? And I just feel like it is
Speaker 1: a constant battle in all industries for women to be
Speaker 1: paid the same amount as their male colleagues.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, I haven't had that extreme experience of that at
Speaker 6: that level, but yeah, you know, it's always kind of
Speaker 6: a conscious thing, you know, like how much.
Speaker 4: Is he being paid?
Speaker 6: But there's always kind of that in the background because
Speaker 6: you've you've heard so many and they've you know, people
Speaker 6: have uncovered and have shared their stories and put that
Speaker 6: in perspective of all, well.
Speaker 4: Does that mean they're better than me?
Speaker 6: You know, and sometimes like that can play emotionally fulling
Speaker 6: my strings here, you know what I mean, you're really
Speaker 6: making me.
Speaker 4: Think when I shouldn't.
Speaker 3: And it's value based. It's a legitimate amoun it's saying
Speaker 3: this is your worth and this is this person's worth.
Speaker 3: And that's a really difficult thing to swallow when you're
Speaker 3: all doing the same job. Essentially, it's hard to go down.
Speaker 3: I mean for anybody who's not across this. There's been
Speaker 3: some articles recently just to unpack that a little bit
Speaker 3: where Guy Sebastian is apparently fronting a bit more of
Speaker 3: a conversation around pay equality for the judges, and I
Speaker 3: guess like we see this in all industries that has
Speaker 3: paid a sparity. But it's really amazing that we are
Speaker 3: of a time and of a period where other people
Speaker 3: are stepping up.
Speaker 6: You know, just talking about it is even important and
Speaker 6: it makes you have to change, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm really excited for our future.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure you're the generation to come because
Speaker 6: they're going to be fully equipped. They're going to be like,
Speaker 6: you know what, yo, you do it yourself.
Speaker 3: And also I think people are frightened to ask for
Speaker 3: what their worth because they don't want to miss out
Speaker 3: on an opportunity, because especially in the nentera, in an industry,
Speaker 3: there's always somebody who's going to be willing to take
Speaker 3: that spot, you know, and do it for less because
Speaker 3: they want out too.
Speaker 4: You know, because then you're like you're having to weigh
Speaker 4: that up.
Speaker 3: Not that I want to end this on a negative
Speaker 3: note by any means, because I mean, like, if you do,
Speaker 3: I'll bring it back up. Yeah, it was like a
Speaker 3: negative question to ask. But do you feel that you
Speaker 3: have ever experienced discrimination or racism in the music industry?
Speaker 3: Coming from like your own unique background and being a
Speaker 3: proud Indigenous woman, do you find that you've had moments
Speaker 3: where you're like, this doesn't quite match the way that
Speaker 3: other people are being treated.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many I have experienced that, and
Speaker 6: I think by experiencing you learn, so you try and
Speaker 6: you go in a different direction. I think that's the thing.
Speaker 6: Don't be afraid to switch it up and turn left.
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's happened to me in the
Speaker 6: last i mean five years of realizing my worth and
Speaker 6: my position, more aware than I have ever been in
Speaker 6: the way that I release it, you know, and who
Speaker 6: I release it with, I mean, and team equal, you know.
Speaker 6: I've always kind of, you know, been so upfront with
Speaker 6: my team about this is very unequal opportunity. So we're
Speaker 6: all at the same level here. We look up to
Speaker 6: each other, we respect each other. But I think having
Speaker 6: that firsthand, you know, and asking for it or not
Speaker 6: being afraid to put that number there your own personal value.
Speaker 6: This is how you see yourself plays an important path
Speaker 6: and how you move forward in the future. So yeah, no,
Speaker 6: thank you for bringing that up, because I've just in
Speaker 6: the last five years, I've I've really understood, you know,
Speaker 6: even my worth as much as I've been in the
Speaker 6: industry for such a long time. I think gradually you
Speaker 6: understand a lot more when you do pick up those
Speaker 6: tools and the people that you meet along the way
Speaker 6: where you want to be next really see clarity.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of next, and what is next? Congratulations on
Speaker 1: your new single Automatic.
Speaker 2: I watched it and listened to it.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: One question before before I ask what's next for you?
Speaker 2: Did you do those.
Speaker 4: Stunts on the I did not do this, just a badass.
Speaker 2: You guys have to see the film. You have it.
Speaker 2: She's only a squad bikes.
Speaker 1: She's like one of them, you guys, like upside down
Speaker 1: on two wheels.
Speaker 4: One they wouldn't have led me to.
Speaker 6: I do not know how to do those backflips on
Speaker 6: particularly on a quad bike.
Speaker 3: So there's one thing she can't do.
Speaker 1: We found out she can't do two wheelies on a
Speaker 1: bat But what is next for you?
Speaker 2: When are we going to see you? Touring?
Speaker 3: What do we? What are we?
Speaker 2: What are we going to see now?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Well I had I was fortunate to kick off
Speaker 6: my Boss Lady tour the beginning of the year, which
Speaker 6: was totally awesome to get back on the road and
Speaker 6: just bring my you know, my family band who lost
Speaker 6: a lot of work for the last two years. So
Speaker 6: it was nice to just gather all the roadies or
Speaker 6: the tech people and build a show and build a
Speaker 6: stage and give everybody a job. And yeah, so we're
Speaker 6: kind of going to pick up at the end of
Speaker 6: the year, the plan is to maybe go to w
Speaker 6: w A because you know, I feel like I hardly
Speaker 6: ever do a lot of music there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was allowed it.
Speaker 3: That one's allowed in it, like come on w A.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's the kind of plan.
Speaker 6: And then head up to the NT and do some
Speaker 6: community work there and showcase the show there and Taz
Speaker 6: like I want to get back to Tasmania and see
Speaker 6: that beautiful country there and.
Speaker 1: Then get married of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that would be like, that would be
Speaker 6: the icing. I mean, you know, I've thought about it.
Speaker 6: You know, I've been with my pun for such a
Speaker 6: long time, as we spoke earlier, and it would be
Speaker 6: a beautiful gift.
Speaker 4: That would be the icing on the top. It would
Speaker 4: be nice.
Speaker 3: Jess, thank you so much. Honestly, we know that you
Speaker 3: are such a busy woman and we're very grateful for
Speaker 3: the time that you've given us today. But you are,
Speaker 3: honestly just like.
Speaker 2: You're a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 3: Oh you're wonderful to talk to you like you're.
Speaker 2: To get such a piss, I'll come with you.
Speaker 4: I want to get a fourth Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: But Honestly, I've loved speaking with you today and thank
Speaker 3: you so much for being a part of the PODCASTA.
Speaker 6: Thank you boss, ladies doing it full of women, thank
Speaker 6: you always such a pleasure.
Speaker 3: You guys know that we never finished an episode without
Speaker 3: our suck and our sweet, our highlight and our lowlight
Speaker 3: of each and every week. Brittany Hockily, what is your
Speaker 3: suck for the week?
Speaker 1: I know it's against the rules, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't actually really have one this week, and
Speaker 1: before anyone comes from me, and so there's the rules
Speaker 1: and I have to it's only because my sweet is
Speaker 1: so sweet. My sister and her fiance Jay have come
Speaker 1: to stay with me for a bit over a week,
Speaker 1: actually maybe like ten days. We went away from the
Speaker 1: weekend to the Blue Mountains. We had you know, there
Speaker 1: was no TV, no Wi Fi. We had a really
Speaker 1: wholesome weekend.
Speaker 3: Where are they sleeping because we're currently in the room.
Speaker 3: That's your spare room. I haven't known.
Speaker 1: This lounge is an amazing qualam One of those flap
Speaker 1: out mattresses is so good.
Speaker 3: I have one of these.
Speaker 1: They tidied it this morning just so that you guys
Speaker 1: could come over and record.
Speaker 3: But that's my sweet.
Speaker 1: We had a really great weekend and it's it's just
Speaker 1: nice to have some family time again because I don't
Speaker 1: live they live up north in Queensland, and my sister
Speaker 1: and I have been in separable our whole life.
Speaker 3: We've always lived few streets away.
Speaker 1: We've always worked in an emergency department literally together for
Speaker 1: twelve hour shifts. We've lived together, We've done everything, traveled together.
Speaker 1: This is the longest we've ever been away from each other.
Speaker 1: And I had to let her, you know, she had
Speaker 1: to spread wings and get married and live her own life.
Speaker 1: Apparently how to touch to my dismay, But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my suck, and my sweet, what's your What.
Speaker 3: About being in the Blue Mountains? And I saw I
Speaker 3: saw your Instagram over the weekend, And let me tell you,
Speaker 3: that's my suck.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go somewhere dog friendly. That was my
Speaker 1: biggest thing. I wanted to take Delilah out into the
Speaker 1: mountains and give us some time to run. Felt bad
Speaker 1: for sending her to military school. So we went to
Speaker 1: the Blue Mountains and there were so many amazing dog
Speaker 1: hiking areas And if anyone wants to you just google it.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have messaged me saying, oh, he's
Speaker 1: an all national park, how can you take your dog? Yes,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of National park that dogs cannot go,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of tracks up there that
Speaker 1: dogs can go. And there were so many wild dogs
Speaker 1: on there, like they went wild. There were so many
Speaker 1: dogs going wild.
Speaker 3: On this track.
Speaker 1: They were in swimming waterfalls and they were running around
Speaker 1: together and it was really really wholesome. So if anyone
Speaker 1: wants a little get away, I can recommend that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I was looking at your Instagram this weekend and I
Speaker 3: was like, I want to be there by myself. No,
Speaker 3: I love my family. I don't mean that my suck
Speaker 3: for the week. Actually, my suck just happened on the
Speaker 3: way here. I was like holding my holding it in.
Speaker 3: I wasn't telling you when I arrived because I was
Speaker 3: like still fucking dying inside. But I wanted to tell
Speaker 3: you on the podcast. It's actually not a very exciting story,
Speaker 3: but you really As I walked out of the house
Speaker 3: to come here, and I was in a bit of
Speaker 3: a rash and I had the kids, I walked out
Speaker 3: and I walked down through our little carport area and
Speaker 3: I walked face first through a spider web like face first, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, fuck, fuck, anyway, there's a spider and you
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 3: On the drive here, I felt it crawling down the
Speaker 3: back of my neck, and I wish I was making
Speaker 3: this up, but I'm not. I felt something. I felt,
Speaker 3: you know, when you just can feel something in your hair,
Speaker 3: and I was like, fuck, there is a spider in
Speaker 3: my hair. And then I was like, nah, you're just
Speaker 3: being paranoid, like you're you're thinking yourself, You're willing yourself
Speaker 3: into thinking that you've got a spider on you. And
Speaker 3: then it started actually crawling down my neck. And spider,
Speaker 3: I have no idea, couldn't find it. I think I
Speaker 3: killed it in the back of your head against the
Speaker 3: back of the car. Now I think I killed it
Speaker 3: into my hair, but I'm just not sure. So if
Speaker 3: I start screaming later on, it's because it's made a
Speaker 3: home in my evening.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that makes me feel physically ill.
Speaker 3: My sweet for the week is actually, do you know
Speaker 3: what my sweet is? I just remembered, we don't. My
Speaker 3: scene is that I took Matt and I took Marley
Speaker 3: and Lola and our nieces Millie and Charlotte with Auntie Kate.
Speaker 3: That's so weird that I just had to rattle off
Speaker 3: everyone that came with us. We all went to a
Speaker 3: concert on Saturday called City Diver. So you guys might
Speaker 3: know Matt o'kine. He's like, he's a comedian. He used
Speaker 3: to do morning breakfast radio on Triple J. Like he's
Speaker 3: super successful, dude, great guy to follow on Instagram. He
Speaker 3: also has a kid's show, like, which is so weird
Speaker 3: and I never would have expected it, but he has
Speaker 3: a kid's show. He has a kid's band with another
Speaker 3: woman named Christy, and the kids fucking loved it and
Speaker 3: it was so fun. And we were the losers in
Speaker 3: the front row. And you know when someone sees you
Speaker 3: and they kind of like. He was on stage and
Speaker 3: he was like, what the fuck you guys doing here?
Speaker 3: That was the face that he made, and then there
Speaker 3: was Matt. There was Matt and I in the very
Speaker 3: front row.
Speaker 1: Is he like the new modern day wiggle? Is that
Speaker 1: what the vibe?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But cooler and better for parents because you make
Speaker 3: strokes about farts and butts and stuff. So it's like
Speaker 3: the kids love it. Very mature. Better guys, that is
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