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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Our next guest has been on our TV screens for

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Speaker 2: over four decades, easily becoming one of Australia's most trusted journalists.

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Speaker 2: She's reported on leaders, on politicians, on heroes and villains

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Speaker 2: across the globe. But today she's uncovering what she says

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Speaker 2: is the hardest story to tell, and that is her

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Speaker 2: own story.

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Speaker 1: Liz Hayes, Hi, Hello there, Hello, are you look at you?

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Speaker 3: You didn't want to be a part of the story,

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Speaker 3: but here.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm all nervy now. Oh terrible.

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Speaker 2: How did you find it? Because there's so many amazing

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Speaker 2: stories in your book about your adventures with sixty minutes

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Speaker 2: when you're on the Today Show, that people you've met,

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Speaker 2: but also you have to tell your own story about

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Speaker 2: your relationships and your family.

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Speaker 3: How did you find all of that?

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Speaker 1: It was tough because my family have been my backbone.

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Speaker 1: But also everybody knows, you know, I've tried love a

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Speaker 1: few times and I know it just kind of cut

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Speaker 1: across my work and it just had to be included.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's not a tell all, but it is.

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Speaker 1: I think it helps complete who I am.

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Speaker 3: It is you have been very frank about it as

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Speaker 3: part of you. It's part of your life.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: There's a bit in the book where you say three

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Speaker 3: marriages in a decade. That's like, I know, it's quite extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Does that you've said, Liz that you said it can

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Speaker 2: cost you when you choose a life of adventure. What

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Speaker 2: do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: I think you have great ideas and thoughts and perceptions

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Speaker 1: of yourself and then you find yourself knee deep in

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Speaker 1: it and think, what the hell is this adventure? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is just it can be really confronting to realize

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Speaker 1: you're actually a coward, to find out that you're you know,

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Speaker 1: you're not as brave as you hoped you would be.

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Speaker 1: You're more emotional than you thought you would be. But slowly,

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Speaker 1: but surely, I guess you learned to man up, if

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Speaker 1: I can use that term in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: But you just just have to find it, I think,

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Speaker 1: and that's probably what I did do. Mysel went on.

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Speaker 4: One thing I found curious in the book that Bob

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Speaker 4: Hawk asked you for a weekend up on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: M Well, that is curious and curious to me too,

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Speaker 1: And of course it comes off off the end of

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Speaker 1: my marriage to John Singleton. So of course that for

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Speaker 1: me was most peculiar because that were great mates. And

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Speaker 1: in my time with John Singleton, I interacted with Bob Hawk,

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Speaker 1: but I had no idea and you know, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: quite fathm it where this invitation would come from. So

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Speaker 1: it was it was really a bit unsettling.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, well it would be because he was married

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Speaker 3: at the time.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he? Well was he?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: But maybe Liza was totally just innocent. Maybe it was

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Speaker 4: just to go up and see movie world.

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Speaker 3: And you know, you're right, You're right.

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Speaker 1: I got it wrong, you know, I just went to

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Speaker 1: the dark side.

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Speaker 3: You that's all. That's such a Liz, That's a Liz

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Speaker 3: Hayes move, right, Liz.

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Speaker 2: You've met so many incredible people, from Afghani warlords to

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Speaker 2: famous movie stars. Who was the most charismatic that you

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Speaker 2: ever met, even if they were baddie Who had the

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Speaker 2: most charisma oozing out of them?

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Speaker 1: I must say Dustin Hoffman. He had this extraordinary manner

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Speaker 1: about him, which was, you know, he was quite a flirt,

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Speaker 1: but very funny, you know, and I was surprised by that.

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Speaker 3: But he loved you.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. He wouldn't go home, and his minder had

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Speaker 1: to sort of try and cries him from the room.

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Speaker 1: But you know he said, no, you go, I'll hang

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Speaker 1: around to take you to the Gold Coast. Actually I

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Speaker 1: hadn't even thought of that, but yes, you know, he

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Speaker 1: managed to surprise.

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Speaker 4: Me on nothing because you had Russell Brand and recently

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Speaker 4: he's been in. When you say you had Russell Brand,

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Speaker 4: you interviewed Russell Brand. But as you said in the book,

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Speaker 4: you were fifty six at the time, and that was

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Speaker 4: part of his stick undoing your brass trap, which which

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Speaker 4: sounds terrible when you say it just like that, but

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Speaker 4: it was part of his of a time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, look, that was a real conundrum for me facing

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Speaker 1: that story in the light of today. What we all

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Speaker 1: thought we saw and what I did feel at the

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Speaker 1: time was that this was the guy being him outrageous

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Speaker 1: and behaved so in front of the cameras. But you know,

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Speaker 1: when the cameras were off, he was a complete gentleman.

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Speaker 1: In the light of allegations. What can I say exactly, Well.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the first story you ever did for

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Speaker 2: the Manning River Times.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly the first one, but there's some

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Speaker 1: that oh well, I was sent to court. Actually I

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Speaker 1: was sent I've never been at a courthouse in my life.

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Speaker 1: And Kenny Maxie at It too sent me off to

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Speaker 1: the court to cover the court of petty sessions. And

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Speaker 1: the only thing, only advice he really gave me was,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't forget to bow. I had no

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Speaker 1: idea what he meant.

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Speaker 3: What did mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know when you go in and the magistrate

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Speaker 1: comes out, everybody rather than bow. Yeah, and I just

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Speaker 1: walked and started bowing to everybody.

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Speaker 3: And I like Amanda's being all coy about it, as

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Speaker 3: if you don't know what it's like the face of

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Speaker 3: judge my breaking enters.

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Speaker 4: Liz, this is a great book. And I just love

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Speaker 4: seeing you on Telly. I love I love what you

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Speaker 4: Want to Under Investigation, the TV show that is not

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Speaker 4: Liz Under Investigation.

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Speaker 3: And the New Men, and the new book is out.

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Speaker 3: I'm Liz Hayes. It's out now, Liz.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Oh look, I thank you both so much.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's really one of those difficult things.

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Speaker 1: And I'm you know, selling yourself is really tough going,

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Speaker 1: I got to say, so. I appreciate it greatly.

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Speaker 2: Liz, you are so interesting and so lovable. It's the

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Speaker 2: easiest thing in the world for us to do.

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Speaker 1: And thank you, thank you,