1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Kate Torbat and coming up on today's show, The Truth 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: about Tammy Hembro's co parenting relationship. But first, Sarah's Day 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: has been praised for candidly sharing the realities of caravanning 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: with her family of five. The og influencer had an 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: emotional breakdown after discovering the luxury caravan had no oven 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: to reheat her kids home cooked meals. So if the 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: only catch is this holiday was part of a gifted 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: trip from Titanium Caravans, yeah, I would have loved to 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall of their office when 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: this flog dropped because it was entitled we tried caravanning 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: with three kids and I had an emotional breakdown, So 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: off the bat, it doesn't particularly paint caravanning with your 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: young family in a very favorable light. My worst nightmare 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: would be camping quickly followed by caravanning. So when I 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: heard Sarah's Day was going on this trip with her family, 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: bearing in mind that she has a son that's one 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: years old, plus two other young kids, I was like 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: there is no way I would ever want to do that, 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: and I was kind of interested to see how it 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: went because I've seen these caravans before. Titanium Caravans actually 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: sponsored the Bloc and the block contestants lived in them 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: for a couple of months as well as Scott Cam 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and they looked like amazing caravans, so I'm like, oh, 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: maybe if it's a luxury caravan, you might well. A 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of the time, these luxury caravans are loaned out 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: to families who have logging channels where they're road tripping 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: around Australia or in different countries, and my husband loves 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: watching them and quite often the families will pump up 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: how incredible these caravans are, so you can see why 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: potentially they thought this was a good opportunity to work 33 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: with Sarah and her family. The partnership was first promoted 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: in early January on Titanium Caravans Instagram, which has over 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: sixty three thousand followers. So they posted a happy snap 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: of Sarah, her husband Kurt, and their three kids in 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: front of one of their luxury caravans with the caption 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Titanium Family. Sarah Kurtfox, Malachi, and Harlow. 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Now in the comment section, there were already a few 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: envis people. One wrote, I want to join the family 41 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: with crying face emojis. And I think that's because there 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: was a bit of confusion around what the partnership actually was. 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Some people thought perhaps they'd been given the caravan. I 44 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: can see why people thought that, because a similar thing 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: happened a couple of Christmases ago, when Sarah's Day gave 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: Ker a speedboat. It was a very lux speedboat, probably 47 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: cost a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but he had 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: previously been working with the brand. So everyone's like, oh, 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: that he got it for free, which he didn't. Well, 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: that is the issue when influencers don't disclose partnerships properly, 51 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: it leads to a lot of confusion. Now, friend of 52 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: the podcast Influencer Updates au she reshared the photo and 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: questioned whether this was a paid partnership. As influencer Chloe 54 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Fisher also partnered with Titanium last year. As soon as 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I saw Sarah posting live from her caravan trip, I 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: knew that there was some partnership going on between her 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: and Titanium. However, it became more apparent what the deal 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: actually was in the vlog because Sarah and her family 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: were greeted by two members of the team and given 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: a tour of the caravan. Yeah, and she actually did 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: shed some light on the partnership in the comment section 62 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: under the YouTube video. So there was a follower who 63 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: was confused because they thought that she had purchased the 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: caravan from Titanium. Sarah ended up replying, we didn't buy one. 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: We just borrowed this. You really think I would purchase 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: such a big investment piece without researching or even going 67 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: caravanning with my family. No, we borrowed this for seven days. 68 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: I've noticed this trend of Sarah giving her followers a 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: bit of attitude when they don't agree with her or 70 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: question her over things. But I feel like this comment 71 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: was a fair one, considering clearly there was either a 72 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: paid partnership element to this deal or contra and as 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: an influencer, you are obliged to disclose that partnership, and 74 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: it clearly wasn't disclosed clearly enough. If people were confused, Yeah, 75 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: because you could just explain the partnership in a friendly manner. 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: I mean it looked like this was a genuine fan 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: of hers, because the person ended up writing back like 78 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I I hope my message didn't come 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: across route. Now that we are all up to speed 80 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: on how this partnership worked, let's go into what actually 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: went down in this flog because it was an entertaining one. 82 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: So she started the vlog by prefacing that this would 83 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: be her only negative comment about the trip. Side note, 84 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't. Let's take a listen to what she said. 85 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: The only negative thing I'll say is we get one Christmas. 86 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: Holiday, And I was thinking like a resort with a 87 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: pool with a bar where you like swim up and 88 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: order mocktails. 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: Instead we are going caravev. 90 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: The comment about only getting one Christmas holiday was interesting 91 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: because Sarah has already got a trip lined up in February, 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: and last year we spoke in depth about all her 93 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: different holidays overseas. There was that controversy when she pulled Fox, 94 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: her son out of school to take him to Fiji. 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, I mean, my sympathy for 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: you isn't massive when you have multiple holidays to go on, 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: And I mean a lot of families would absolutely love 98 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: to take their kids caravanning for a week in a 99 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: free caravan, well particularly in a luxury caravan. The thing is, 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: she went on to preface that she grew up caravanning 101 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: and camping a lot, and she's not afraid of getting dirty. 102 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: It's not because she thinks that she deserves this bougie holiday, 103 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: but it's because she's a mum. Her day to day 104 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: life is already centered around feeding kids, cleaning, making beds, 105 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: doing laundry, so when she goes in a holiday, she 106 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: wants someone else to do that for her, which I 107 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: do get as a mum. The logistics of caravanning to 108 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: me just sound horrendous, Like even in a luxury caravan, 109 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: it looked like a nightmare doing the bedtime routine. I mean, 110 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: you're in one living space. I mean I can definitely 111 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: sympathize with Sarah on that regards because I am someone 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: who as soon as I became a mum, I was like, 113 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: we must abide by this routine, like it was my 114 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: only way to get a bit of control around the situation. 115 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: And when that is taken away from you, you do 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: feel quite hopeless, which is I think what we saw 117 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: on fold during this vlog. Yeah. Now, when Sarah and 118 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: her family arrived at the camping grounds, as we mentioned, 119 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: the team from Titanium were there to show them how 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: the caravan's features work, and it was kind of awkward 121 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: because the man was there explaining it to them. But 122 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: she started blogging and saying, Oh, my toxic trade is 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that when people explain things to me, it goes in 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: one ear and out the other. And it kind of 125 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: just seemed a little bit disrespectful because he was you know, 126 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: maybe he thought she'd film it, like, oh, he's no, 127 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: let's have a little bit of a tour. Anyway, it 128 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: did become apparent that she wasn't listening to this guy 129 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: at all, because in the next scene we see her 130 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: in tears upon realizing that the oven in the kitchen 131 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: was in fact a dishwasher. Let's take a listen to 132 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: what she said. 133 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: I'm just feeling overwhelmed. I tried to be really organized 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 4: and I prepped all these frozen meals for us and 135 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 4: this son. I'm so dumb that I'm crying. But three kids, 136 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: one who cut walk and Alki's just been going off, well, 137 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: they have can drums. Really overstimulated anyway, I prepped all 138 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 4: that dinners. I thought this was an oven and it's 139 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 4: a washer. So now it was six o'clock. My kids 140 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: are starving and grumpy. I don't know what to do 141 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: for her. If you know, if you have young kids 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: and when they're hungry, like you need to feed them 143 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: right then and there anyways, So now I'm gonna have 144 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: to make another plan for those dinners because they can't 145 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: heat them up. 146 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: What I didn't get was there was a microwave there, 147 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: so why couldn't she just microwave the food. Someone raised 148 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: that in the comment section, and she replied saying that 149 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: they don't use a microwave in their household, so she 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of felt uncomfortable. That does a ring a bell. 151 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: I remember when they moved into their house and had 152 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: it completely redone in her kitchen, they got this massive 153 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: oven and then also a steamer, and everyone's like, where's 154 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: the microwave. She seems a very anti microwave god. I 155 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: don't think I could operate with a toddler without a microwave, 156 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: Like I literally put everything in the microwave for him. 157 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: How did you feel watching that clip? Because for me, 158 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but feel really sorry. For her. She 159 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: looked really helpless in it and absolutely beside herself. You 160 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: could tell she was at the end of her tether, 161 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: and I have been there before, like I knew exactly 162 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: how she was feeling, so I definitely felt sorry for her. 163 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: But then there was this other part of me thinking, well, 164 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: this whole trip is being paid for, and there is 165 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: a solution. You could just put the food in the microwave. 166 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: I think it was more of a case of her 167 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: losing the control that she normally has at home and 168 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: this is how I like to cook my healthy meals, 169 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: and the fact that she'd prepped them all. I mean, 170 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: that would have been incredibly frustrating. But as I was 171 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: sitting there, as someone who often uses a microwave, I 172 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: was like, just bung him in the microwave. Love Well. 173 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: There was also this portable induction stove that they could 174 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: have used, but Sarah went on to say that the 175 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: Titanium people didn't give them the right pots and pans 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: to use, so I thought that was an interesting little 177 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: dig as well. Yeah, I mean the whole thing was 178 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: just uncomfortable, knowing that it was a part of a 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: paid partnership and watching it all unfold and then also 180 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: choosing to keep that portion in the vlog. That's what 181 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: I said to my husband. I said, you know, fair enough, 182 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: have a bit of a meltdown if you want to 183 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: film at film at whatever. But then when you go 184 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: to edit it, maybe think, hmm, how would the brand 185 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: feel if this was included, and also sort of laying 186 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: a bit of blame on the brand giving them the 187 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: wrong pots and pans. I'm guessing there weren't any stipulations 188 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: that the brand had to approve the video, because sometimes 189 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: when you do pay partnerships, the brand has to sign 190 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: off on it. But maybe because it was a contra deal, 191 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: there weren't as many strict rules. It was clear that 192 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: Sarah was already pre emptying how the meltdown could have 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: come across to her followers, because she said this, the 194 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: last thing I. 195 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: Want to do is like he ungrateful and like has 196 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: spoiled brat. I know this is going to get twisted, 197 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: but again, I've been on social media for thirteen years 198 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: being my honest, authentic self, and like the last thing 199 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to do is come on here and like 200 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: put on a show, you know, like this is a log, 201 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: this is my real life. 202 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting that she had the foresight to see how 203 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: this could potentially be misconstrued, but then she chose to 204 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: keep in the clip. I think because she knows that 205 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of mums follow her, and while there will 206 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: be people that take it a different way, there will 207 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: also be a lot of people that relate to her 208 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: situation and feel sorry for her. Her transparency with her 209 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: audience is probably more important than pleasing this sponsor. I mean, 210 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: she's probably thinking herself, well, I don't really want to 211 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: go on another caravan. 212 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: Try. 213 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: We don't have to keep them happy. Yeah, I don't 214 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: want to be part of the Titanium family anymore. She 215 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: ended up being able to feed her kids luckily. She 216 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: used the microwave in the end, and she showed them 217 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: eating at the camps. As you say, Kate looking at 218 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: her absolute wits end, and she confessed that she was 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: really scared how their nighttime routine was going to go. 220 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I was stressed watching unfold because while it was a 221 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: luxury caravan, they still had three kids in there who 222 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: go to bed at separate times. One of the kids, 223 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: the youngest kid, is only I think like fourteen months old, 224 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: so they had to prop up this kind of I 225 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: supposed fence up at the bottom bunk so he wouldn't 226 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: roll out of bed, and they had to wait for 227 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: him to fall asleep before the other kids went in. Like, 228 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: I just don't even know how they did it. You 229 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: could tell that ker It was aware that this wasn't 230 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: the best ad for the caravan because they did this 231 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: little tour and he was trying to talk up a 232 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: lot of the features. He's like, oh, look at all 233 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: the space and the different cabinets. But then Sarah was 234 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: pointing out, oh, yeah, well we haven't used the en 235 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: suite before because with kids, we is easier for us 236 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: just to use the communal features. And I was like, 237 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, just say one nice thing about the place. Yeah, 238 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: And she's also complaining that the washing machine in the 239 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: caravan wasn't big enough, so she was having to do 240 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: daily washes. I'm like, oh my god, isn't it great 241 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: that you've got her washing machine. It's so awkward because 242 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: when you look at how Titanium markets these caravans, they 243 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: say it's a great option for traveling families. It's very spacious. 244 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: But all Sarah spoke about in the vlog was how 245 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: cramped it was and how it was so difficult to 246 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: fit everything in. I mean. She also showed herself cooking 247 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: in the communal barbecue area, saying I can't cook in 248 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: my caravan, so I've had to come to the public zone. 249 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: So again, it wasn't glowing review, but that being said, 250 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: her followers lapped it up. As you mentioned, Kate, she 251 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: has a lot of young mums who follow her, and 252 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: they appreciated how transparent she was in this vlog. One 253 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: follower wrote, thank you for providing real life testimony as 254 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: opposed to just a highlight reel that would make the 255 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: rest of us feel like we're failing, whilst another said 256 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: super valid breakdown. I would have lost it like gone home. Also, 257 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: what kind of RV has a dishwasher but no oven? 258 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: Literally never heard of such a thing. I'm sure the 259 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: bran wasn't happy with that one. Some followers weren't as impressed, though, 260 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: One wrote I'm unfollowing because I honestly can no longer 261 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: handle your constant complaining, while another said how can you 262 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: have a meltdown in a titanium? I found it interesting 263 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: because despite titanium welcoming Sarah and Kurt to the family. 264 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: They didn't like her post where she promoted her vlog. 265 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: They also didn't comment on it, and Sarah didn't tag 266 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: the minute well. They clearly weren't happy with the coverage 267 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: and Sarah wasn't happy with the holiday. This whole situation 268 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: really made me question if an influencer accepts an experience, 269 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: are they obliged to give a glowing review? Because initially, 270 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: when I watched this vlog, I was like, oh my god, 271 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for the brand. But then I thought, well, 272 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: isn't Sarah actually doing a good job in terms of 273 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: being transparent for her audience, Like, just because she's accepted 274 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: the trip, does she have to pretend that she enjoyed it. 275 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we want from influencers these days. 276 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: We want them to be honest with the experience that 277 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: they have. The difficulty is that, obviously that's going to 278 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: be skewed when they are gifted something. And I think, well, 279 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: if Sarah didn't enjoy it and she doesn't want to 280 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: continue the partnership on, then it kind of makes sense 281 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: for her to go. Okay. Actually that wasn't for me. 282 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: This was my true experience in there It'll be interesting 283 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: to see though, if the partnership continues. I know you 284 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: said that it seems like Titanium weren't happy about it, 285 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: but Kurt still does a lot of camping, And I 286 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: mean I was thinking back a couple of weeks ago, 287 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: kurto the two older boys out on a camping trip 288 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: and Sarah stayed at home with the baby. That probably 289 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: would have been better for Titanium to sponsor rather than 290 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: Sarah on the trip. So I wonder if that part 291 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Sarah to share it on her YouTube channel that's where 292 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: all the eyeballs are, I know, but potentially it may 293 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: have worked better with more of a niche audience, like 294 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: a dad audience watching it through Kurtz channel. That's the 295 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: thing with Sarah, I think she would have felt that 296 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: it was disingenuous to rave about how easy and carefree 297 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: this trip was when she clearly found it very challenging. 298 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: And I think she's really built an audience around the 299 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: chaos of her life, and her audience really trust her reviews, 300 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: Like she only works with a handful of brands, and 301 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: you can tell that they're brands that she actually really likes. 302 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think she was about to jeopardize that 303 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: just for a free trip. I don't know if she 304 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: particularly likes the brands. I think that she has, for 305 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: so many years now been a master in promoting things 306 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: like I remember when I started watching her channel back 307 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: in the day, and I'm like, I need to get 308 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: my hands on that Loving Earth chocolate she eats. It 309 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: sounds absolutely delicious, like she used to talk about how 310 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: Kurt had to hide it from her because she would 311 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: just eat a whole block. Anyway, she did genuinely like it. 312 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: Surely not because I bought the chocolate and it tasted 313 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: like candles like, it tasted like it was inedible. And 314 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: also we saw how she managed to basically build Tropeka, 315 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: that protein company up as a brand. I mean, it 316 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: literally feature every one of her vlogs. I've bought it. 317 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: I actually still buy it now based on being influenced 318 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: by her. But as soon as that deal cut off, 319 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: never uses it again. So clearly she can't like it 320 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: that much. I don't think it means that she never 321 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: liked it. I think it means that the partnership went 322 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: sour and she thought, well fuck, I'm not going to 323 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: promote them anymore. I mean she might still eat it 324 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: on mine closed door, she just doesn't bloody post about it. 325 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: In terms of the partnership with Titanium Caravans, I really 326 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: want to know whether Sarah was just gifted the trip 327 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: or whether she was paid to promote them, because her 328 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: reaction then would sit differently with me, because if this 329 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: was a partnership, that would mean that Titanium would have 330 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: sent her and Kurt these key messages that they wanted 331 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: them to convey about the caravan. For instance, they probably 332 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: would have requested Sarah to emphasize how spacious the caravan 333 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: was or how it was perfect for a family holiday. 334 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: If that's the case, she then didn't live up to 335 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: the bargain in saying that. Though if they just gifted 336 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: it to her, they probably didn't have those stipulations in 337 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: place and it was more of a give us your 338 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: honest opinion of the caravan. Yeah, because these days, I 339 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: think brands have a bit of a different approach to gifting. Previously, 340 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: they probably sent through a lot of stipulations like in 341 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: order to accept this gift, you must post this and 342 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: use this hashtag and these are the key messaging. But 343 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I think now they try and take a bit of 344 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: a step back and not place a lot of pressure 345 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: on influences to post. They want the post to feel organic, 346 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably what happened in this instance. However, 347 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: it has backfired on them a little bit. I'm really 348 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: interested to know who approached her as well, because if, 349 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: for instance, Kurt approached them on Behalf of Sarah, I 350 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: think you'd be pretty pissed off if you were the 351 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: brand with the review that they've given, whereas if Titanium 352 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: approached them, you'd be like, well, fair enough. 353 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 6: But this one is up there with the most asked 354 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 6: as well. 355 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: Matt Paul's fiance, Annalise Oatway, has opened up about her 356 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: co parenting relationship with Tammy Hembro. The nurse and micro influencer, 357 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: confessed she and Tammy communicate regularly. So before we get 358 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: into it, can you get listeners up to speed on 359 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: the family dynamic. Well, Matt, the first, as we like 360 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: to refer to him on Outspoken, got engaged to Tammy 361 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: at the end of twenty twenty one. If you'll believe 362 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: it now, Tammy was pregnant when he proposed, and she 363 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: gave birth to their daughter, Posey in June twenty twenty two. 364 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: Very soon after Posey's birth, the couple sadly called off 365 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: their engagement. Now Annalise came into the picture two years later, 366 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: with the couple confirming their relationship in May twenty twenty four, 367 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: and it's quite clear from Analie's Instagram account that she 368 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: has taken the role of steaf mum very seriously. Yeah, 369 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: you can see they've got a very special bond and 370 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: it's not put on. It's not something that they're just 371 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: doing for the cameras. Yeah, they seem to do a 372 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: lot of cute activities together and you can see that 373 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: they're both very affectionate with one another. Now, a year 374 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: after confirming their relationship, Annalise and Matt welcomed their son, 375 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: Parker Paul, so they did continue with the p theme 376 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: there and it has been very cute to see Posey 377 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: and Parker growing up alongside each other as brother and sister. 378 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: Because Posey lives with Matt and Analise on set days 379 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: during the week, they haven't specified how many days, but 380 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: it seems like she does regularly live under their roof. Yeah, 381 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: and Tammy Hembro for a long time now has really 382 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: been commended for her co parenting relationship with her baby 383 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: daddies Matt Paul and Reese Hawkins. In interviews, she never 384 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: speaks badly of Reese or Matt, and she says that 385 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: she likes to keep things civil for the sake of 386 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: their kids. Recently, it seemed like things were a little 387 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: bit rocky though, between Tammy and Matt Paul and Annalise Otway, 388 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: because they were seen publicly liking this video that mocked 389 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: Tammy for crying about her breakup, and it just seemed 390 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: like something was off between them, and there was a 391 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: bit of a vibe that Matt Sakowski and Matt Paul 392 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: were friends. There are a few comments back and forth 393 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: that made you feel as though that had a deeper 394 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: meaningful There was more going on than the public new. Yeah, 395 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: so it's not really surprising that when Annalie's put up 396 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: a Q and a box recently on her Instagram story 397 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: that she was absolutely inundated with followers asking about her 398 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: relationship with Tammy. One follower wrote, do you and Tammy talk? Slash? 399 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: Get on? Let's take a listen to what Annalie said. 400 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 6: Tammy and I talk about Poe. So if we have 401 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 6: Posy and Poe wants to talk to her mum. We 402 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 6: FaceTime if she's doing her dance concert or something and 403 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 6: Tammy can't make it, I send pictures. All of our 404 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 6: chat is strictly Posy related, but not going for coffees 405 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 6: or anything like that. But yeah, we chat about Poe. 406 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 6: We have to navigate pick up and drop offs and 407 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: all that. 408 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 4: Sort of stuff. 409 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: Do you sort of read between the lines of that comment, oh, 410 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: we don't go for coffees or anything as her sort 411 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: of saying we're not friends. Yeah, and the fact that 412 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: she says we strictly only talk about Posey. It's clear 413 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: that both women want what's best for Posey, and they're 414 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: putting aside the fact that they probably don't like each other. 415 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: I mean, why would you Why would you like your 416 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: fiance's x. I also think that Matt Paul probably doesn't 417 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: want things getting blurred, which you could understand, because would 418 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: you really want your fiance and ex fiance catching up 419 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: to exchange notes about you? Oh? Yeah, like he leaves 420 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: a toilet seat up, he's messy, he's annoying, you know 421 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you don't. It's kind of a 422 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: weird situation. For your current partner to meet your ex 423 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: that doesn't usually happen. It's funny also because if you 424 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: were an Ealise, you wouldn't really want Matt being the 425 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: one sending photos and organizing the drop off either. So 426 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, for the betterment of your relationship, 427 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: Annalise has to be the middle person. But you know, 428 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't want to be communicating with my 429 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: husband's ex about it, like you know, you want to 430 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: cut them off completely, and they obviously can't do that 431 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: because they've got a child together. So I think it's 432 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: fantastic that they are putting aside whatever they feel about 433 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: each other to parent posy the way they do. It's 434 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: clearly working very well for them. Yeah, I think the 435 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: more surface level that they keep this relationship, the less 436 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: trouble there's going to be, because it's like if you're 437 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: catching up, as I said in exchanging, no, so that's 438 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: when little niggles start to show and little you know, 439 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: he said, she said, stuff starts happening too. Well. The 440 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: interesting thing with Annalise is that she and Matt, as 441 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: you mentioned, have gone on to have their own child, 442 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: and she was asked if she finds parenting Posy different 443 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: from parenting her son Parker. Let's take a listen to 444 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: what she said. 445 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 6: It's not different. So in our house, the rules are 446 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 6: the rules and the boundaries of the boundaries, and they're 447 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 6: going to be the same for both kids. Plain and simple. 448 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 6: Kids need boundaries. They feel safe with boundaries if you're 449 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 6: consistent with them. They know that that's just the boundary. 450 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 6: So I'm not going to treat them any different the 451 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 6: brother and sister. They live under the same house, the 452 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 6: rules of room. 453 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: I loved her response because I think that stepmums have 454 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: gotten a really bad rap, probably from stories like Cinderella, 455 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: of not caring about their step children as much as 456 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: their biological children or treating them differently, and you can 457 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: tell that that certainly isn't the case in the situation 458 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: for Posey, and unfortunately, there's probably a lot of people 459 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: that couldn't relate to that situation with their stepparents. So 460 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: it is really nice to see this positive step parent 461 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: story play out online. I also think it's clear that 462 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Matt and Analisa doing a fantastic job and ensuring that 463 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: there are boundaries in place and that she has this 464 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: stable environment when she's at their house, because it would 465 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: be really tough going from house to house, and also 466 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: for the child having to navigate the different rules and 467 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: the different styles of parenting. There's always been a bit 468 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: of intrigue of how often Tammy looks after Posey compared 469 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: to Matt. I mean, people are nosy, they kind of 470 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: want to know what's going on there. 471 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 7: Now. 472 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: Annale didn't say how many days she and Matt look 473 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: after Posy, but she said that they have set days, 474 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: so they take her to swimming and dancing during the 475 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: week and then they alternate on the weekends, depending who 476 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: has what on. I wasn't sure if she was trying 477 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: to have a subtle dig at Tammy, because she said, 478 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: Poe's mum obviously travels a lot for work, so we 479 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: have her whenever she goes away too, So it tends 480 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: to be more than the set days quite regularly, which 481 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: is fine with us. Well, I'm assuming that is a 482 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: little bit of a dig considering that the relationship has 483 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: been a little bit turbulent between them. I mean, as 484 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: much as Matt and Analise probably love looking after Posey, 485 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: it would be hard being that sort of default family 486 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: like Oh, I'm just going on a trip, so you 487 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: have to look after her kind of thing. I thought 488 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: it was interesting that Analise never refer to Tammy by name. 489 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: She only called her pose mum. It kind of reiterates 490 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: that there's not much of a friendship. I think it 491 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: would be more of a case of Analsee not wanting 492 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: to name drop Tammy, because over the last six months 493 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: or so, we know that anything Tammy Hembro does makes headlines. 494 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: So if she was to start saying, oh, this is 495 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: my co parenting relationship with Tammy Hembro, then the Daily 496 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Mail would write an article about it and probably twist 497 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: what she was saying. It was also quite interesting because 498 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: Annalise was asked if she and Matt would like to 499 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: have more babies, and she opened up saying that she's 500 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: quite torn, whilst Matt is a flat no. I really 501 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: don't think that you should ever ask any parent who 502 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: has a child under one if they're considering having more, 503 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: because you were just so in the thick of things 504 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: that it's really hard to answer that question. I think 505 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: you need the time and perspective once the sleep deprivation 506 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: has lifted to be able to work out if you 507 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: want a second child. Yeah, it's funny because you and 508 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: Amy keep saying that you're one and done, But I'm like, 509 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: I don't think you can even answer that at the moment, 510 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: because you know both of your babies are under one. Yeah. Well, 511 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: for Annalise, she said that she always wanted too, but 512 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: Matt already has two of his own, and she admitted 513 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: that she didn't realize how hard it was going to 514 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: be having both Posey and Parker with her parents living 515 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: in to state, so she hasn't really had much of 516 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: that family support at home. She also said that the 517 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: split family dynamic would make it easier for her and 518 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: Matt to just stick with Posey and Parker, because she said, 519 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: you've got one boy, one girl. You've got different houses 520 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: already going on different rules, that's coming back and forth, 521 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: and that she thinks it would be a lot easier 522 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: to navigate that with just one boy and one girl. 523 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: I wonder if they have looked at tammy situations. So 524 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: she of course has two older children with Rheese Hawkins 525 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: and then one with Matt Paul, and I wonder if 526 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Posey feels a little bit sad or funny about the 527 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: fact that she's the kid that has to go between houses. 528 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: So then if they were to have a second kid, 529 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: she would again be the odd sibling out that's having 530 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: to go back and forth between the house. Yeah, and 531 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: she might feel a bit excluded. 532 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: Can you take a photo of me? And it's like 533 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: people take the per say, oh yea, I'm close. 534 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 7: You're on a phido of. 535 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 3: Your your influencer like, oh fuck me dead, And then I'm. 536 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: Like, okay, cool. 537 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: Like I would always be told get off your phone. 538 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 7: Too much time on your phone. I'm like, I'm literally 539 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 7: trying to hustle. Like content creation is filming yourself from 540 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 7: the moment you wake up to the moment you go 541 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 7: to sleep. 542 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has revealed she's contemplating a career change. In 543 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: a thirteen minute Instagram story, The og influencer complained that 544 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: no one understands the pressure of constantly sharing your life online. Kate, 545 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: you took one for the team and watch this video 546 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: in its entirety. What happened, Well, the crux of it 547 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: was that Sky is feeling a lot of pressure to 548 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: present a perfect life on social media. So it's crazy 549 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: to think, but she's actually been sharing her life online 550 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: now for ten years, and it's clear that it has 551 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: taken a toll on her mental health and body image. Now, 552 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I think a big reason why people follow Sky is 553 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: because she posts with no filter. I mean, we've spoken 554 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: a lot on the podcast about how she barely edits 555 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: her YouTube videos and you really don't know what you're 556 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: going to get when you tune into Sky's social media, 557 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: which is a part of her appeal. In saying that, 558 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: though that has gotten her in a lot of trouble, 559 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: particularly in the early twenty twenties, and it seems like 560 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,719 Speaker 1: Sky's confidence to post whatever she likes has now gone 561 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: so in this video, she confessed that she's second guessing 562 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: her content strategy. Sky said for most of her career, 563 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: she's been criticized for sharing too much, but since taking 564 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: a step back recently, she's been told she's not sharing enough. Yeah. 565 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting because her pulling away from social media has 566 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: really coincided with her breakup from her baby daddy, Lockie War, 567 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: who she recently just announced that she has reconciled with. 568 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Over the Christmas break, she took some time off and 569 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: that was for the first time in ten years. While 570 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: the criticism, I don't think is fair. I can see 571 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: why people have been asking for an update though. They 572 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: want to know what's gone on with Sky and Lockey 573 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: and why they've gone back together. Yeah, And in terms 574 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: of Sky oversharing online, reading between the line, it sounds 575 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: like it was her friends and family telling her that. 576 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: So she said that she was concerned people in her 577 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: life would take what she was saying the wrong way. 578 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because at one point she referenced 579 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: the OG days with Shannie and Michael because she was 580 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: a part of that big friendship group, and she said 581 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: something about how she was known back then as the 582 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: girl who always had her camera out, and it sounds 583 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: like she's got a bit of a hang up about that. 584 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: And when you watch those vlogs, it always felt like 585 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: she was kind of on the outer a bit. I 586 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: wonder if she got paid out for always having a 587 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: camera out and trying to shoot content with them, or 588 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: I wonder if she was accused of trying to clout 589 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 1: chase off them as well. I know she had a 590 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: profile from being on Big Brother, but at the time, Shannie, 591 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: Michael and their little group were huge. Yeah, And I 592 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: think more recently the oversharing comment is probably coming from 593 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Lockie because he probably wasn't happy about everything that got 594 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: publicly shared about their breakup. But it also seems like 595 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: he got a bit tired of being a boyfriend of Instagram. 596 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: So Guy spoke about how she stopped asking Lockie to 597 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: take pictures of her when they went out to dinner 598 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: together because she explained that he just want to time 599 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: off his phone and she felt like she was being annoying. 600 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: But I'm guessing that was probably a trigger to their arguments. 601 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: Side note, isn't it so annoying when you have made 602 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: a big effort to look nice and you do forget 603 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: to take a photo, or you don't want to ask, 604 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: or could you get a photo of me? Particularly if 605 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: you are in this type of job like Sky is, 606 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: where you have to keep posting about your life. And 607 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: she obviously puts in a lot of effort with her 608 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: appearance and to be wearing cool outfits and amazing hair 609 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: and makeup. Well, she said, it's hard when you're trying 610 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: to hustle and get content but no one else gets it. 611 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: I do think it's important to preface during this conversation. Sky, 612 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: in usual influencer fashion, put out a lot of disclaimers, 613 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: So she said that she's grateful for the lifestyle influencing 614 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: provides her. She even went as far as to say. 615 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 7: This, I'm actually exhausted. I know this is so lame, 616 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 7: like full white, privileged bitch in her fucking car. 617 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 5: Very grateful. 618 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 7: Don't get me wrong, but I feel like no one 619 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 7: talks about I don't know if it's just me, but 620 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 7: I feel immense pressure to be perfect. 621 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: And I'm fucking over it. I just feel immense pressure. 622 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: Look, I know that there will be a lot of 623 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: people listening, screaming at their phones, being like shut up, Sky, 624 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous. Your job is easy. And while I 625 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: do agree that it is easy compared to a lot 626 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: of jobs out there, and it has a lot of perks, 627 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 1: you can't deny that there is a clear toll that 628 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: this sort of job takes on influences mental health and 629 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: the constant twenty four to seven nature of it, like 630 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: replying to negative comments. Yeah, I mean, this video was 631 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: hard to watch. Guy was literally beside herself in it, 632 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: and she had to stop the camera several times because 633 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: she was sobbing so much, And she ended up saying 634 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: that she's been feeling really stuck and has so much 635 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: going on in her head. She then said this, I. 636 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: Think I'd rather be a fucking training at this. I 637 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: can get up, put my fucking muddy boots on, go 638 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: to work, sand a wall, bust my ass, come home, 639 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: not even look at my phone, eat a good meal, 640 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 3: not worry about body image, what I fucking look like, 641 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 3: what I've got to post. I don't know. I'm being 642 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: really negative. I'm just having a mad life. Like middle 643 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: this is a midlife crisis. This is a full blown 644 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: midlife crisis. Like I get that everyone's struggling financially. 645 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: It's really sad because Sky has opened up about having 646 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: body dysmorphia, and the job of an influencer is probably 647 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: the worst job you can have if you have this condition, 648 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: because you're constantly looking at photos of yourself, You're constantly 649 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: having to film yourself. Yeah, it's tough because if Sky 650 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: was one of your friends and she had nearly any 651 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: other job but being an influencer, you'd just say, well, 652 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: it's time for a change. However, it's not really possible 653 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: when you are in influencer, particularly of her caliber, like 654 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: she is an OG influencer. She's been doing it for 655 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: ten years, and we're at this stage now where people 656 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: like Sky, a lot of the OG influencers are entering 657 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: their late twenties and early thirties, and they've been sharing 658 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: their life for so long now online that they're over it. 659 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's just not fun anymore. However, because they 660 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: haven't had a job outside of influencing, many of them 661 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: just don't have qualifications or skills to actually get jobs 662 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: outside of that. I mean, a couple of days later, 663 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: Sky was complaining about how fake Instagram was, and she 664 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: said that she is seriously considering becoming a beauty injector, 665 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: but doesn't know if she could do a registered nursing 666 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: course because she just doesn't have the attention span for it. 667 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of influencers, not all influencers, 668 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: but for a lot of them, if they then did 669 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: step into a nine to five job, it would give 670 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: them the perspective to realize how good they had it. 671 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 7: Yeah. 672 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: They almost need that clarity to say, oh, actually I 673 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: have a lot of flexibility here. I mean, it's like anything. 674 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, now, being a mother, I look 675 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: back at my life before and I was like, oh, 676 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: my job was so easy in comparison to now having 677 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: to do my job and also parent full time. Yeah, 678 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: it is the rose colored glasses as well, because you 679 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of only look back and see the highlights, not 680 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: the other shit that you're going through. It's funny, though, 681 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: because I have noticed this trend of influencers going offline 682 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: and being way happier, and a lot of them are 683 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: now talking about that Brick app, which I really want 684 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: to get. It's basically this thing where you can physically 685 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: block your phone from whichever apps you want to be 686 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: blocked from. So most people would block social media apps, 687 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: and then in order to get back onto those apps 688 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: you have to go and on brick it, So it 689 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: sort of puts that barrier up, so if you're sitting 690 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: on the couch, you actually have to physically get up 691 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,239 Speaker 1: and say you put the device on your fridge. You've 692 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: got to go tap the fridge to unlock your phone. 693 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: I do find it ironic that influencers are promoting the 694 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: brick only because they rely on people being engaged with 695 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: their social media posts. So if all of you followers 696 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: start bricking their phone and suddenly they're not seeing your 697 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: posts anymore, your job becomes kind of redundant, But it's 698 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: more about putting boundaries in and being like, Okay, well, 699 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to stop mindless scrolling. I'm going to have 700 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: my social media time that I actually enjoy, maybe after 701 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: my dinner, when I sit down on the couch and relax, 702 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: Like I think that is actually really positive. That's what 703 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: I want to do, because sometimes I find myself just 704 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: picking up my phone. I'm like, what am I even doing? 705 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm not yet interested in looking at anything. It's like, 706 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: this is a habit. It is a habit. And I mean, 707 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: it's ironic that I saw this on TikTok, but a 708 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: marketer was saying that there is currently a decline in 709 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: how much time people are spending online and essentially it's 710 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: not going to be cool to be online chronically like 711 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: we are. Time offline is going to be seen as 712 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: this luxury commodity and it's all to do with the 713 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: fact that the online world is just so saturated now. 714 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: It was interesting because he said, since COVID, the number 715 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: of influencers has multiplied by eight and it's just not 716 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: sustainable and we don't really care about these people anymore. Now, 717 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: getting back to Sky, the timing of her crash out 718 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: in the car was quite interesting because it coincided with 719 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: the birth of her niece. In fact, Sky filmed the 720 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: video after she visited her sister, Kaylae in hospital. Yeah, 721 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: and off the back of this video, Sky has been 722 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: accused of spoiling her sister's baby news. It's believed she 723 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: shared the news of the baby before Kayla, as well 724 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: as the name. So for those interested, the baby's name 725 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: is Saylor Rose, and Sky revealed that Saylor would have 726 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: been the name she chose if her sons were girls. 727 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: I saw Amber from Influencer Updates speaking about this in 728 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 1: her Friday Night Live and someone wrote in saying that 729 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Sky's sister Kayla actually went live on TikTok during the labor, 730 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: so I think that she was spilling a lot of 731 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: the details on her own TikTok live. She must have 732 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: quite a following on there, so I don't know. I 733 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: think Sky must have thought all that information's already out there, 734 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: and in saying that though, I wouldn't be thrilled if 735 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: you had this massive following and you went and spoiled 736 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: my baby news before I even got a chance to 737 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: post it officially, Like there's just this unsaid thing that 738 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: you wait until. Like it's like a wedding you don't 739 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: post before the bride. With the birth of a child, 740 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: you don't post before the parents. Just to wrap things up, 741 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: Sky has returned to social media and she is posting 742 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: quite regularly. Now. She did confirm that she might go 743 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: quite rogue this year, which I mean, I think she 744 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: goes rogue every year. I was quite relieved when I 745 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: saw her stories on Saturday night, because originally, when I 746 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: saw the crash out, I was like, oh God, is 747 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: this it for Sky on social media? But she was 748 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: back to her best. She was sitting in bed talking 749 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: to the camera very freely. She actually hilariously dropped the 750 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: tea apparently on why she and Lockie broke up. Let's 751 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: take a listen. 752 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 5: See it again in the note when this man sneezes, 753 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 5: that's why we broke up. If you want to know 754 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 5: the tea, that's why. Like it's it's the sneezing. I 755 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 5: was like, look, buddy, I actually just can't anymore the 756 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 5: farting and the sneezing. 757 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: Now, obviously she's taking the piss out of it, but 758 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: I think anyone that is married or in a long 759 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: term relationship with a male can understand how annoying their 760 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: snee is. Why is it so loud? My partner doesn't 761 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: really sneeze loudly. Really, Yes, it's stepping, but not sneezing. Well, 762 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: she did say that the farting was also annoying, but 763 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: I thought it was this thing that all men sneeze 764 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 1: really loudly. I've seen it on TikTok and it's like, 765 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: it's funny because our dog's sonny. You could tell her 766 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: to get out of the room. You can tell her 767 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: to do anything, and she won't do it. But as 768 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: soon as ree sneezes, she bolts out of the room 769 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: like she's so frightened of it. I can sneeze. She 770 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: doesn't care at all, but there is something about the 771 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: tone of his sneeze and other men's sneezes that she 772 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: doesn't like. Well, on that note, I think that is 773 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: all we have time for today. Thank you so much 774 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: for joining us with this episode. If you have enjoyed it, 775 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: could you please make sure you are subscribed on Apple 776 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: podcast and also Spotify, And if you want to hear 777 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: more from us, we drop a bonus episode of Outspoken 778 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: every Thursday for Outspoken Plus listeners. If you haven't signed up, 779 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 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