WEBVTT - 📺 New Raygun Documentary Has Us Thinking!

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<v Speaker 1>I watched Untold Ray Gunn Breaking Badly. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>new Netflix documentary about Rachel Gunn. I was, like, struck

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<v Speaker 1>by the beauty of her performance. At one point, she does.

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<v Speaker 2>This, like, beautiful spin and she grabs a cap and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, that was really nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, if you just, as you come in,

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<v Speaker 3>if you just put the.

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<v Speaker 2>Other hand out, that's the sprinkler. It was the essence

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<v Speaker 2>of creativity. spring club the kangaroo the swimming it was

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<v Speaker 2>all about representing australia celebrating australia on the world stage.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the best performance i've seen it be like

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<v Speaker 3>i did it i'm glad i got to witness that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Rachel Raygun and her husband, Samuel Free, a.k.a.

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<v Speaker 2>Sammy Sex.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a lot of people have said, I hope

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<v Speaker 4>I find someone who loves me as delusionally as her

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<v Speaker 4>husband loves her. I haven't seen the doco.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>And you and I, let's just state our claim early

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<v Speaker 4>on before I want to, I really want to hear

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<v Speaker 4>what you thought of the doco. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't embrace her. I don't know why we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>see the humour in it and the underdog, the hilarity

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<v Speaker 4>of it, the kitsch of it. I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 4>Australia turned on her.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the time when breakdancing was announced at the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I both went, breakdancing? Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Olympics really is a sport that has been

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<v Speaker 1>around for hundreds of years, and it's about showcasing different sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the best that your country can bring. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Rae Grun, she represented us at the

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<v Speaker 1>Olympics in Paris for breakdancing.

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<v Speaker 3>She scored zero.

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<v Speaker 2>She did.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not like she cheated the system. She scored zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So have other people at the Olympics, and we think,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't that hilarious?

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<v Speaker 1>But she went global after she performed, because everyone has

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<v Speaker 1>said exactly what you and I said. But having said that,

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<v Speaker 1>you watch this documentary, and what I did learn is

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<v Speaker 1>that she entered the competition to get selection with an

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<v Speaker 1>almost charming naivety.

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<v Speaker 2>So she is a b-girl. That's what the breakdancing community

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<v Speaker 2>call her. Break dancers, B-girls and B-boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this country, we've got some B-boys.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have a lot of B-girls. So they had

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing, like an audition, a competition to get

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<v Speaker 2>the best B-boy and B-girl.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't select herself.

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<v Speaker 1>No, to represent us at the Olympics. So they had

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. She went along. And as one of her

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<v Speaker 1>people said, of all the competitors on the spot, she

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<v Speaker 1>was the best.

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<v Speaker 2>On the day.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's our problem?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And you look at in the, you know, Eric the eel,

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie the eagle, the Jamaican bobsled team, all of those

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<v Speaker 1>guys were the best of their country.

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<v Speaker 3>And we love them.

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't hack the system.

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<v Speaker 3>But we love them for being the outliers.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people, there's a bit of this

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory that Sammy hacked the system.

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<v Speaker 2>Her husband. He rigged it, but he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an international judging panel that came to Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>and And judged it. And there was one girl on

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<v Speaker 1>there and said, they said, well, did you go to

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<v Speaker 1>go on it? Because she's a better breaker. And she said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go on it. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like me saying, I want to go to, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, what am I really good at?

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<v Speaker 3>Not much.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I was on Dancing with the Stars and I

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<v Speaker 2>was dreadful and people kept voting for me.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the difference, isn't it? This is why I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's interesting. And you'd said before we were talking

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<v Speaker 4>about it that you thought it was misogynistic, the way

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<v Speaker 4>she was judged. Because all those failures and you, on

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<v Speaker 4>Dancing with the Stars. You weren't a failure.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a failure.

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<v Speaker 4>People find humour in men being klutzes and stuffing stuff

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<v Speaker 4>up and being the underdog. People feel humiliation when it

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<v Speaker 4>happens to women. I've always said that. It's harder to

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<v Speaker 4>be a woman dancing on Dancing with the Stars than

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<v Speaker 4>it is to be a man because people can laugh

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<v Speaker 4>at the man, but you can't laugh at a woman

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<v Speaker 4>being bad. They just feel sorry for you and it's

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<v Speaker 4>humiliating and makes people uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I was on that show, that was 2013,

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<v Speaker 1>social media wasn't what it is now.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a different kettle of fish back then.

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<v Speaker 4>People have said that, and as I said, I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>seen it, that it looks like it's, Kath and Kim,

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like a piss take, this documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's a mockumentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a serious documentary?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is. And they're taking themselves seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, there's this nice naivety to them both.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're deluded, but maybe naivety is a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of delusion. But they're just nice people. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they're. They've done nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Because people are still– people who didn't like her first

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<v Speaker 4>time around after the Olympics have doubled down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think people wanted Ray Gunn to say, oh, sorry, everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no idea. I was in over my head.

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<v Speaker 2>But she says that in the documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she?

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<v Speaker 2>I think she kind of does.

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<v Speaker 4>Because people felt that she'd sort of doubled down and said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I had fun and it wasn't great, that the people

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<v Speaker 4>didn't get the apology from her that they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth, if you've got any opinion about her,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps watch the documentary because I guarantee– By the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it, you like them both. And Richard Branson, he

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<v Speaker 1>of the airlines and the ships and all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually reached out to Ray Gunn when she was

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<v Speaker 1>getting all the abuse and said, look, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>put you on one of my ships and you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to come with me and we're going to look after you.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he could see the, I guess, the novelty in it.

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<v Speaker 3>But why couldn't we?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't. It's classic Australian behaviour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>An underdog doing sort of kitsch moves. The whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Closing an opening ceremony of the Sydney Olympics was all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff, the sprinkler, the funny dancing, the kangaroo hops.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you put a guy out there doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been a different.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of fish. Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>He would have become a hero. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting. All right, well, I'll watch it, but I'm intrigued

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<v Speaker 3>by what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get out my piece of lino and start breaking. Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Breaking bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking wind.