Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show as she
Speaker 1: binds addresses the most persistent rumor to ever follow her,
Speaker 1: Megan Markle's lifestyle rebrand and Our Friday Debrief. But first,
Speaker 1: Anna Paul's nonchalant return to social media has been marred
Speaker 1: by fresh allegations from Mikayla Testa. Before we get into
Speaker 1: those claims, Kate, how did Anna mark her return well?
Speaker 1: She returned to TikTok by sharing three new videos, and
Speaker 1: as we've come to expect from Anna, she hasn't been
Speaker 1: lying low at home. Instead, she's been jet setting around
Speaker 1: the world. This time she was in La and in
Speaker 1: the videos, Anna documented her day at a theme park
Speaker 1: as well as a night out clubbing. Now, interestingly, in
Speaker 1: those videos, Anna showed herself getting drunk, despite previously telling
Speaker 1: her audience she didn't drink.
Speaker 2: She seemed kind of different.
Speaker 1: There was something I couldn't quite put my finger on.
Speaker 1: I had to look in the comments section, and a
Speaker 1: lot of followers said that her tone of voice was different.
Speaker 1: She wasn't talking as childlife. Someone said her baby voice
Speaker 1: was toned down, and when I saw that, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, But she almost sounded sad as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think it was.
Speaker 1: I think she was almost second guessing how she was
Speaker 1: meant to portray herself in the video because she has
Speaker 1: been slammed so much. There was a notable absent tee
Speaker 1: from her video, which was her brother Attis Paul. A
Speaker 1: lot of people referred to him as he who must
Speaker 1: not be named now. Her boyfriend Amrik, and some of
Speaker 1: her American friends did make the cut in the VIDEOO Now,
Speaker 1: while she was desperately trying to pretend like nothing had happened,
Speaker 1: the commenters were there to remind her that things had
Speaker 1: dramatically changed. Many people said they actually felt gaslit from
Speaker 1: the video. Every second comment I saw was saying it
Speaker 1: made me feel broke. Well, in that defense, how is
Speaker 1: she supposed to make a return? She already put out
Speaker 1: the video where she acknowledged Michayla's claims. Yes, we thought
Speaker 1: that that video was a huge flop. But if I
Speaker 1: was her publicist, I would have said, just return as normal, Yeah,
Speaker 1: move on, like that's what anyone else would have done.
Speaker 1: It was so awkward, though, because you could tell she
Speaker 1: was trying to be extra relatable. At one point, she
Speaker 1: showed herself sitting on the toilet struggling to find toilet paper.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this did not need to make the cart well.
Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Michayla posted her first TikTok since her explosive
Speaker 1: allegation video. It's hard to believe that was three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and in the video, she referenced the tell All podcast
Speaker 1: about the polls that she's currently producing.
Speaker 2: This is what she said.
Speaker 3: I wanted to wait until the podcast to release this
Speaker 3: information because it's just so sad, sick and fucked up.
Speaker 3: And I just am afraid that you guys aren't ready
Speaker 3: to hear something like this because it's very bold, and
Speaker 3: it's very dark and deep and disgusting. But I just
Speaker 3: can't wait another minute to say it because it's genuinely
Speaker 3: concerning me, considering the fact that she's just bought a
Speaker 3: new bird and I'm talking about Anna Pool here.
Speaker 1: And this is why Michayla Testa is so successful on TikTok.
Speaker 1: What a hook to drag people in. It's more exciting
Speaker 1: than the hook about Anna Paul being the theme park.
Speaker 2: Yes, very much.
Speaker 1: Now, before we dive in further, we want to reiterate
Speaker 1: that these are unsubstantiated allegations and we're just merely discussing them.
Speaker 1: We're not saying that they're true, but we're just reporting
Speaker 1: on what Michayla has said. Now, Mikayla went on to
Speaker 1: allege that Anna mistreated her birds, leaving them to quote
Speaker 1: rot in their cages. She backed up the claims by
Speaker 1: saying it was all documented and she witnessed it herself
Speaker 1: while living with Anna. Mikayla went on to claim that
Speaker 1: Anna purchased a new bird every six months, and at
Speaker 1: one stage had five of them. According to Mikayla, Anna's
Speaker 1: relationship with the birds changed when she bought her hairless cats.
Speaker 2: This is what she said when she bought those hairless cats.
Speaker 3: I would hear her say, I can't wait for these
Speaker 3: birds to die because it is hard having cats and
Speaker 3: birds at the same time.
Speaker 1: Michayla also went on to allege that the way Anna
Speaker 1: had treated the birds made her sick to her stomach,
Speaker 1: and that she was the only one in the family
Speaker 1: to try and entertain them.
Speaker 2: This is more of what she said.
Speaker 3: She buys animals for content and then neglects them. We
Speaker 3: know that we can see through.
Speaker 2: The content now.
Speaker 1: In terms of timing, Mikayla said she felt compelled to
Speaker 1: share the story after learning that Anna had purchased a
Speaker 1: new bird following the death of her other bird, Quakesy.
Speaker 1: This is what she said, So.
Speaker 3: We know the bird rotten in a cage this entire time.
Speaker 2: She said, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, QUICKSI died.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you guys, because I was so sad.
Speaker 3: You weren't sad, Anna, You were not fucking sad.
Speaker 2: You did not care about that bird.
Speaker 3: And you didn't care about the rest of the birds
Speaker 3: that you hired, because you had five of them, and
Speaker 3: they all sat in cages and I entertained them. And
Speaker 3: when I wasn't around, I know, for damn sure, nobody
Speaker 3: fucking cared for them. Only your mother changed the bird
Speaker 3: seat and the water every fricking week.
Speaker 1: These are some pretty big allegations. It's quite interesting because
Speaker 1: Mikayla also claimed that Addis's most recent ex girlfriend backed
Speaker 1: up her allegations, saying she never saw the birds out
Speaker 1: of their cages. Interesting that she is in correspondence with
Speaker 1: Addis's latest ex as well. I wonder how the poles
Speaker 1: would be feeling about this video because it was straight
Speaker 1: off the back of Anna returning to TikTok. It's also
Speaker 1: very clear from this TikTok that Mikayla is bringing out
Speaker 1: this podcast basically air the poll's dirty laundry. Where do
Speaker 1: we think Addis is? I mean, it sounds like he's
Speaker 1: in hiding. Do you think he's gone on this trip
Speaker 1: to La Oh? I reckon he's in la but he's
Speaker 1: just not featuring in any of the videos. He's lying
Speaker 1: low In terms of her podcast, I always thought it
Speaker 1: was to slam the polls, and I am patiently waiting.
Speaker 1: But Mikayla did say two weeks ago it was going
Speaker 1: to be out in a week. It's already late. When
Speaker 1: do we think she's dropping? I reckon it's out late
Speaker 1: because the lawyers would be having to look over it now.
Speaker 1: Anna is yet to respond to the allegations Michayla made
Speaker 1: about her treatment of the birds.
Speaker 2: Will wait and see. I don't think she's going to
Speaker 2: comment on anything.
Speaker 1: Well. A lot of the comments on her new tiktoks
Speaker 1: were about the birds. People were demanding an answer, why
Speaker 1: can I feel another remix coming if she does comment
Speaker 1: about it, lom of times I have that song that
Speaker 1: remix in my head is crazy, okay. Megan Michael has
Speaker 1: announced on Instagram that she's renaming her lifestyle brand after
Speaker 1: an onslaught of criticism over the name and a string
Speaker 1: of copyright issues. American Riviera Orchard will now be called
Speaker 1: as Ever. The Duchess of Sussex. Has also dropped that
Speaker 1: streaming giant Netflix aren't just a partner in her upcoming
Speaker 1: lifestyle show, but also a new partner in her business
Speaker 1: now Sophie. Meghan made the admission in a short.
Speaker 2: Real shot in her backyard.
Speaker 1: I was so excited to see Meghan actually talking to
Speaker 1: the camera in selfie mode. Maybe she listened to the
Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago, because since she has
Speaker 1: returned to Instagram, she has been dissed over her style
Speaker 1: of posting, with critics saying that she's stuck in the
Speaker 1: twenty tens and she hasn't adapted to the TikTok generation. Well,
Speaker 1: her video did have some millennial elements to it. There
Speaker 1: was quite a massive millennial pause at the start where
Speaker 1: she was trying to work her camera and Prince Harry
Speaker 1: was helping her. That's the bit that didn't really make
Speaker 1: sense because, as I said, she was speaking to the
Speaker 1: camera in selfie mode. But it did begin with the
Speaker 1: Prince Harry saying it's recording, which didn't really make sense
Speaker 1: because why would he turn the camera on if it
Speaker 1: was in selfimus. It's not like it was on a tripod.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was happy to lap it all up.
Speaker 1: I had a little shriek when I heard Harry in
Speaker 1: the background.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that they dropped that in. It was obviously
Speaker 1: strategic and I brought into it.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I love the little cameo. I want to see Prince
Speaker 1: Harry wellby can and obviously there's been so many rumors
Speaker 1: about the couple separating and this big divorce, so I
Speaker 1: feel like they like to include Harry where they can.
Speaker 1: The funniest thing is so many people have been critiquing
Speaker 1: this video and especially this opening sequence, and everyone's been saying,
Speaker 1: you could tell they tried to be so nonchalant about it,
Speaker 1: but it came across that it was very much planned,
Speaker 1: like let's feature Harry and then we'll have him passing
Speaker 1: over the phone. Yeah. Well, she did cop some criticism
Speaker 1: as well for the amount of edits that were in
Speaker 1: this video because people said that she was trying to
Speaker 1: appear authentic by speaking to the camera, but it was
Speaker 1: clear she wasn't able to speak to the camera in
Speaker 1: one take, so it kind of didn't feel as authentic
Speaker 1: as I think she hoped it would. They watched TikTok like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you watch any of the big TikTok is like
Speaker 1: India Clean, And when she did the announce about her
Speaker 1: nose job, that was cut up so much because he
Speaker 1: had to fit.
Speaker 2: It into the minute.
Speaker 1: And ah, yeah, I must be so used to watching
Speaker 1: people on social media and YouTube because I didn't even
Speaker 1: notice the CODs at all. I loved that she was
Speaker 1: very casual, so she was wearing just a white shirt
Speaker 1: and jeans. She had very minimal makeup on, and her
Speaker 1: hair was pulled back. And I think that that was
Speaker 1: a strategy because she has been told that she's too
Speaker 1: put together, you know, she she needed to be relaxed.
Speaker 2: She was in her own environment at home.
Speaker 1: Well, anytime she puts out a video, everyone is so quick,
Speaker 1: like the Daily Mail to actually price all of the
Speaker 1: items of clothing that she's wearing. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a seven thousand dollar bracelet. This is her ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollar shirt.
Speaker 2: Now let's dive.
Speaker 1: Into Meghan's announcement because it was quite a big one,
Speaker 1: and it appears that she has been under pressure to
Speaker 1: reveal this rebrand because there's been news outlets who.
Speaker 2: Have been threatening to.
Speaker 1: Get in before her, and now that Megan is active
Speaker 1: on her socials, it's really a way for her to
Speaker 1: get in first and to try to control the narrative.
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what Meghan said, Cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 5: I'm shocked we've kept this a secret for so long.
Speaker 5: In two weeks, my show is coming out, which I'm
Speaker 5: so excited for, and also my business, which I think
Speaker 5: there's been a lot of curiosity about. And last year
Speaker 5: I had thought, you know what American reviewer that sounds
Speaker 5: like such a great name. It's my neighborhood. It's a
Speaker 5: nickname for Santa Barbara. But it limited me to things
Speaker 5: that were just manufactured and grown in this area. Then
Speaker 5: Netflix came on not just as my partner in the show,
Speaker 5: but as my partner in my business, which was huge
Speaker 5: as I thought about it, and I've been waiting for
Speaker 5: a moment to share a name that I had secured
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, and this is the moment. And
Speaker 5: it's called as Ever. As Ever essentially means as it's
Speaker 5: always been. And if you followed me since twenty fourteen
Speaker 5: with the TIG, you know I've always loved cooking and
Speaker 5: crafting and gardening. This is what I do and I
Speaker 5: haven't been able to share it with you in the
Speaker 5: same way for the past few years, but now I can.
Speaker 6: So as things are starting to trickle out there, I
Speaker 6: wanted you to hear it from me first. Of course,
Speaker 6: course there will be fruit preserves. I think we're all
Speaker 6: clear at this point that jam is my jam. But
Speaker 6: there's so many more products that I just love that
Speaker 6: I use in my home, and now it's time to
Speaker 6: share it with you. So I can't wait for you
Speaker 6: to see it.
Speaker 1: There is a lot to dissect there. I want to
Speaker 1: talk first about the rebrand. As we heard Megan said
Speaker 1: that the name American Riviera Orchard limited her to only
Speaker 1: selling products that originated in Santa Barbara, So that's why
Speaker 1: they made the decision to rebrand to as Ever, which
Speaker 1: I personally think is a way better name anyway, it
Speaker 1: kind of gave me fairytale vibes, which originally when she
Speaker 1: started dating Prince Harry, everyone was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: she's a fairy princess. And she said that she has
Speaker 1: actually had the name as Ever in the pipeline since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and it's how she has signed off
Speaker 1: on all.
Speaker 2: Of her Instagram posts.
Speaker 1: You would also assume that maybe this is how she
Speaker 1: signs off her personal correspondence, whether it's emails to stuff.
Speaker 1: So it seems to be well, it seems to be
Speaker 1: a term that she actually uses and is authentic to her.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people on TikTok just how
Speaker 1: twatty the name was, like as Ever and it has
Speaker 1: a real americanism. Yeah, I mean it's a very earnest
Speaker 1: type of term. I thought her Netflix show would have
Speaker 1: the same name. But With Love is actually Hillary Duff's
Speaker 1: perfume brand. Maybe it was already. We don't want Hillary
Speaker 1: coming out and adding to her lawsuits. Well, if you
Speaker 1: think about it, though, as Ever and with Love are
Speaker 1: both as to sign off, so they sort of both
Speaker 1: pair together.
Speaker 2: Quite nice.
Speaker 1: It's a far better name than American riviera orchard. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't particularly roll off the top. Now, what Megan
Speaker 1: didn't touch on in this video was the copyright issues
Speaker 1: that she's been having with the name American Riviera Orchard.
Speaker 1: So the trademark was rejected last year, and that is
Speaker 1: because you cannot have exclusive rights to the name of
Speaker 1: a place, and American Riviera is a commonly used place
Speaker 1: name to describe Santa Barbara, where she lives with Prince Harry.
Speaker 1: There were also other food companies complaining that the name
Speaker 1: was too similar to theirs, which is very common when
Speaker 1: a celebrity comes out with a brand. I saw it
Speaker 1: when Hailey Bieber released Rode. There were also complaints that
Speaker 1: the o in the logo didn't look enough like a letter,
Speaker 1: and people have said that Meghan has gaslighted her audience
Speaker 1: by not actually acknowledging that there were issues with this name.
Speaker 1: I actually think the spin she put on it was
Speaker 1: good because you have to be quite invested in Meghan
Speaker 1: Markele to know that there were all of these trademark
Speaker 1: issues and to be honest, who actually cares. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: personally didn't think that she needed to go into it.
Speaker 1: It's already out there in the news. If she made
Speaker 1: a point of commenting on the copyright issues during her video.
Speaker 1: The media would have been more likely to lead with
Speaker 1: that in their story about the rebrand. And I also
Speaker 1: think that two things can be true at once. Yes,
Speaker 1: she could have had all of these issues with the trademark,
Speaker 1: but she also could have felt like this name was
Speaker 1: more authentic to her.
Speaker 2: I mean, she.
Speaker 1: Copped a lot of backlash over the name American Riviera.
Speaker 1: She's had a year to think about it. Maybe she thought, well,
Speaker 1: fuck that this name is too difficult. I just think
Speaker 1: any video she would have put out would have been
Speaker 1: torn to shreds, and any decision she had made in
Speaker 1: terms of what to mention and what to leave out well.
Speaker 1: I think also if she had complained that she wasn't
Speaker 1: able to get the copyright, it would be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: she's so entitled and she just complains and bitches and moment,
Speaker 1: and they would have made it more of an issue saying, oh,
Speaker 1: they couldn't have even got their ducks in a row
Speaker 1: before they released this. I did like in the video
Speaker 1: that she referenced the Tig, which was her old lifestyle blog,
Speaker 1: because I think it was a really subtle way to
Speaker 1: remind her audience that she has worked in the lifestyle
Speaker 1: space before and she knows what she's doing. A lot
Speaker 1: of people picked up that there was a bit of
Speaker 1: a dig that she wasn't able to share about her
Speaker 1: love for crafting and gardening because of the Royal family.
Speaker 1: People were saying it was a bit of a burn
Speaker 1: to that. I think that the media is so quick
Speaker 1: to label anything as some sort of burn towards the
Speaker 1: Royal Family. She's probably just saying, look, I wasn't actually
Speaker 1: allowed to share on socials, but I want to remind
Speaker 1: you that these are all things that I genuinely and
Speaker 1: authentically enjoyed doing. I really liked how she.
Speaker 2: Joked in the video that jam is her jam and
Speaker 2: other people didn't like that.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was pretty cute because there's been
Speaker 1: so many media reports saying when are we getting the jam?
Speaker 2: And it makes sense as.
Speaker 1: To why we haven't got our hands on the jam
Speaker 1: yet because clearly there's been these issues with the name
Speaker 1: and also her new partnership, and also the fact that
Speaker 1: they're waiting for the Netflix show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: She has already sent out American Riviera Orchard Jam to
Speaker 1: her celebrity friends, which I'm sure are huge collector's items now.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine having one of these? Now they're all
Speaker 1: just celebrities that have got them anyway, Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they'll be selling them on Facebook, Marketplace or anything now.
Speaker 1: The rebrand has come just a few weeks before the
Speaker 1: launch of Meghan's new Netflix series, and I was really
Speaker 1: shocked to hear that Netflix was joining Meghan as a
Speaker 1: partner on her new lifestyle brand, particularly because the media
Speaker 1: has been reporting for quite some time now that Netflix
Speaker 1: must be regretting it's one hundred million dollar contract with
Speaker 1: the couple, and that story really picked up a lot
Speaker 1: of traction after Harry's Polo documentary didn't do so well.
Speaker 1: Do you think this was a little bit of a
Speaker 1: sweetener from Harry and Meghan to Netflix, because a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been saying that Netflix definitely haven't gotten
Speaker 1: back a very good return on the one hundred million
Speaker 1: that they spent. Well potentially, but i'mis see it as
Speaker 1: that Netflix can see huge potential in Meghan and her
Speaker 1: brand and they want to take full advantage of what
Speaker 1: people are calling the Megan Effect. Because whilst Meghan does
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who hate her, online, and
Speaker 1: they're very vocal about that. She also has a huge
Speaker 1: population of women who are obsessed with her and her style,
Speaker 1: and this month that was reported that jewelry brand for
Speaker 1: Lancia Keys had an eleven thousand percent spike in sales
Speaker 1: after Meghan was spotted wearing their bracelet at the Invictus Games.
Speaker 1: So you can only imagine how nuts people will go
Speaker 1: for her own line of products.
Speaker 2: Do you think people are going to go crazy over
Speaker 2: jam though, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Think it would be more the homewares that she's spooking
Speaker 1: on her Netflix show. And when I first heard this,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, why would Netflix be interested in
Speaker 1: selling physical items? But actually, for a few years now,
Speaker 1: they have a Netflix shop front, which is very similar
Speaker 1: to the Amazon storefront where they sell products, So essentially
Speaker 1: people can watch Megan's show and shop directly from it.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Oh, I like that photo frame that's
Speaker 1: actually from her store, I can buy it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was totally unaware that Netflix had its own shop
Speaker 1: front too, and I had a look, and they sell
Speaker 1: a lot of merch for different TV shows. It's all
Speaker 1: very tacky at the moment, So I really feel like
Speaker 1: this partnership is going to be very mutually beneficial for
Speaker 1: both parties because until now, I feel like hardly anyone
Speaker 1: knew they had a shop front. And I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to really lift their game and be more
Speaker 1: of a competitor for Amazon, seeing as they're going to
Speaker 1: have such a big brand like Megan's to sell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they can also make use of
Speaker 1: affiliate links now, so I think there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of other celebrities wanting to get a taste of what
Speaker 1: Megan is going to now. The media have heavily been
Speaker 1: reporting on Megan's new website for as ever, because the
Speaker 1: bat ground of the website does feature a photo of
Speaker 1: Meghan and her daughter, Princess Lillabet. So they are running
Speaker 1: across a grass field, and it is very rare to
Speaker 1: see photos of Archie and Lila Bet. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: too much of them. I mean it is the back
Speaker 1: of her head. We can see that she's got beautiful
Speaker 1: ginger hair. I mean you can't really see much at all.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is that Lilybet and tried to
Speaker 1: zoom and it's just literally her hair. A few commentators
Speaker 1: have said that we are seeing in real time the
Speaker 1: modernization of Princess Labet and also Prince Archie.
Speaker 2: Because this is the first.
Speaker 1: Time that we are seeing Royal kids doing seemingly normal
Speaker 1: things with their parents on Instagram, but areing normal clothes
Speaker 1: that aren't in front of a paparazzi where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: if we walk past you on our snow trip, can
Speaker 1: you fuck off and not take photos of us? It's
Speaker 1: actually the parents putting them forward. On Valentine's Day, Meghan
Speaker 1: actually featured Archie in one of her Instagram stories. I
Speaker 1: mean we only really saw the back of his head,
Speaker 1: but she was cutting up strawberries in the shape of
Speaker 1: hearts to make a little treat for the kids to eat,
Speaker 1: and they really excited and they were running around there
Speaker 1: were just acting.
Speaker 2: Like normal kids.
Speaker 1: I am somewhat surprised the kids have made a feature,
Speaker 1: particularly because it is around Meghan pushing her new lifestyle brand,
Speaker 1: particularly when the couple left the Royal family and said
Speaker 1: that they wanted privacy for their children and for them.
Speaker 1: I saw a headline which said privacy loving Harry and
Speaker 1: Meghan used little bit in a lifestyle campaign. The reason
Speaker 1: I think is different is because this is their business,
Speaker 1: which they have control over they were worried about the
Speaker 1: media invading their children's privacy. It's different if they can
Speaker 1: control what's been put out of.
Speaker 2: Their it's difference if they can make a dollar off.
Speaker 2: Its not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They have control over what they show of their kids.
Speaker 1: For instance, it was the back of her head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but by sharing vision of their children, they are whipping
Speaker 1: up media frenzy who want to them take photos of them.
Speaker 2: But they're giving my profile.
Speaker 1: But she's releasing a lifestyle brand. Is she's supposed to
Speaker 1: pretend that she's.
Speaker 2: Not a mum.
Speaker 1: I just can't get over how much backlash Meghan has
Speaker 1: copped over this because she's not the first royal if
Speaker 1: you look back to actually try and release different products.
Speaker 2: I mean, remember Fergie.
Speaker 1: She had her Weight Watchers campaign. Yeah, she was the
Speaker 1: voiceover in Budgie The Help, she wrote it. They were
Speaker 1: her books. Oh pull was gonna say. She's also written
Speaker 1: a whole load of other children's books. Unfortunately, the fact
Speaker 1: is that once these people leave the royal family and
Speaker 1: the protection of the royal family and the money they get,
Speaker 1: they have to go out and make their own money.
Speaker 1: And everyone's shocked, but also she's only in her early forties.
Speaker 1: This is a woman who had a very successful acting career.
Speaker 1: She was in an incredible show, Suits Kate, which we're
Speaker 1: watching at the moment.
Speaker 2: Why can't she do better? Why can't she want to
Speaker 2: do more?
Speaker 1: Since she's left the royal family, we would have more
Speaker 1: of an issue if she sat and lived off their
Speaker 1: money for the.
Speaker 2: Rest of her life.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people saying that they don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but something about Meghan comes across
Speaker 1: as being really insufferable. Like someone on TikTok said that
Speaker 1: she just reminds her of this insufferable friend that's a
Speaker 1: little bit mean behind people's backs, but comes across as
Speaker 1: sickly sweet. I've been thinking about it because Sophie, as
Speaker 1: you preface, we have been watching Suits again. So when
Speaker 1: I watched Megan Markle's video, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's Rachel Zayne and I love the character of Rachel.
Speaker 1: So I think there are a couple of camps of people.
Speaker 1: There are the people that watch Suits and knew her
Speaker 1: on that program and they feel like they've got a
Speaker 1: connection with her, that are like, oh good on her.
Speaker 1: And then there's a people that are monicus and think
Speaker 1: that she's ruined the royal family. And then there are
Speaker 1: also boomer women who.
Speaker 2: Just don't like her as well. I asked my.
Speaker 1: Friend who used to live in the UK, and she
Speaker 1: was saying, what it comes down to is a lot
Speaker 1: of people in England don't like her because Harry was
Speaker 1: always their favorite and they feel like she has taken
Speaker 1: Harry away from them. And I think it's also because
Speaker 1: she does come across as being very American. If you
Speaker 1: compare that to the way a lot of British people
Speaker 1: act or talk, it's quite jarring to them.
Speaker 7: As she always threatens her ex besties with legal action
Speaker 7: during friendship breaksdowns. False never happened, No, no, and no.
Speaker 1: It took fifteen years, but as she binds, has finally
Speaker 1: dress the most persistent rumor that has followed her during
Speaker 1: her time on social media.
Speaker 2: In a recent.
Speaker 1: Episode of her podcast, The og fitness Influencer denied that
Speaker 1: she's ever silenced her former friends with gag orders.
Speaker 2: Kate, can you tell us More?
Speaker 1: This was a very juicy episode, so, alongside her co
Speaker 1: host Tiana Bundalow, Ash answered listener's assumptions about her awkwardly.
Speaker 1: Most of them had to do with Ashy's feud with
Speaker 1: her former podcast co host Kiara Doro, as well as
Speaker 1: her other high profile friendship breakdowns. Now, we covered this
Speaker 1: podcast feud pretty extensively back in November last year, but Amy,
Speaker 1: can you give listeners a quick refresher?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Ashy and Kiara hosted the Grow and Glow podcast
Speaker 1: together for around two years, and they were even set
Speaker 1: to launch a product together, but on the day of
Speaker 1: the launch, they said there was a delay, and then
Speaker 1: a week later they did the dirty unfollow of each
Speaker 1: other on social media and announced Kiara was leaving the
Speaker 1: podcast to focus on her family. Now, Kiara made it
Speaker 1: on her socials that there was more to this story.
Speaker 1: She posted cryptic quotes about friendship breakdowns and narcissusts, as
Speaker 1: well as writing I can't say much because I'm already
Speaker 1: losing so much and don't want to lose anymore, but
Speaker 1: thank you you are also clever with a winking emoji.
Speaker 1: Now this caused a lot of her followers to speculate
Speaker 1: that Kiara had allegedly been hit with a gag order,
Speaker 1: as ash has a bit of a reputation for allegedly
Speaker 1: sending cease and desist letters now as she went into
Speaker 1: damage control in the podcast facebook page, saying she was
Speaker 1: shocked by Kiara's behavior, and a few weeks later, Kiara
Speaker 1: shared on her Instagram story that she was dining with
Speaker 1: Ashi's former high profile best friends Sammy Leo and Gretti
Speaker 1: Rose such a fuck you Yeah, And in January, as
Speaker 1: she relaunched the podcast under a new name called She
Speaker 1: Rises with new bestie and co hosts Tiana Bundlow. Now
Speaker 1: that everyone is up to speed, I want to get
Speaker 1: into the juicy details from this new podcast. And I
Speaker 1: was really pleasantly surprised that as she actually answered a
Speaker 1: bunch of controversial questions, because I'm so used to influencers
Speaker 1: asking their followers for questions and then they refuse to
Speaker 1: answer any of the ones people actually want.
Speaker 2: The answers to.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite color? No one cares get to the drama. Oh,
Speaker 1: and they're shocked, like this one has just inundated my inbox.
Speaker 1: Answer it yeah, and actually really didn't shy away. This
Speaker 1: is what she said about the gag order rumor.
Speaker 7: Why were people saying there was a gag order on others?
Speaker 7: By the way, I don't believe it's true. So I think,
Speaker 7: if you know, you know what this is about, can
Speaker 7: I just clarify there was no gag orders or NDAs
Speaker 7: or anything put on anyone, Yeah, any of my friendships,
Speaker 7: anything that's happened. If anything, I've had one on me before,
Speaker 7: I've had to sign one. That is a rumor that's
Speaker 7: been floating around the internet for the last fucking fifteen years.
Speaker 7: I have gag orders on people. Not true, completely false.
Speaker 7: Everyone is free, yeah, to talk about what they want
Speaker 7: to talk about, to say what they want to say.
Speaker 7: I think some people will say that because maybe they
Speaker 7: don't actually want to tell the true story. But there's
Speaker 7: no gag orders. Yeah, So I can clear that up
Speaker 7: once and for all.
Speaker 1: Or whether ash does have a gag order on Kiara
Speaker 1: or not, you can tell that Kiara is concerned about
Speaker 1: potentially defaming her. So that might be why she has
Speaker 1: had such choice.
Speaker 2: Work talking about as. I think it's really.
Speaker 1: Important for Ashy to squash this rumor because it just
Speaker 1: seems to be getting bigger and bigger and out of control.
Speaker 1: It's an ironic one, though, to say I don't have
Speaker 1: gag orders out against people. But if she actually did
Speaker 1: it's not like they could even respond. Yeah, And in
Speaker 1: trying to shut down these rumors, she created another one
Speaker 1: by saying that she had a gag order placed on her,
Speaker 1: which has just led to further speculation. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are speculating that it was from Emily's Sky, again,
Speaker 1: an unproven claim that has no factual basis. But you
Speaker 1: would think if you're trying to shut all of these
Speaker 1: rumors down, you wouldn't add that information In why did
Speaker 1: I just get Lindsay Lohan's rumor song in my head? Well,
Speaker 1: another highly anticipated question, as she answered, was this, as
Speaker 1: she gets bored of friends and moves on quickly when
Speaker 1: she finds someone new and.
Speaker 7: Shiny, Stephanie just rolled her. Hy Oh what a crazy assumption. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's why people don't realize. Is I still have the
Speaker 7: core group of girlfriends I've had since I was a teenager.
Speaker 1: Now. This is a rumor that has long plagued as
Speaker 1: she's since her high profile friendship breakdown with Sammy Leo,
Speaker 1: Gretti Rose and Nat Roland, and it's one she's been
Speaker 1: very defensive about. It's also one that Kiara has played
Speaker 1: against her publicly by catching up with all of those
Speaker 1: women now, as she went on to talk about how
Speaker 1: formative her long term friendships are and then said.
Speaker 7: This, However, there has been friendship breakdowns that have been
Speaker 7: blasted all over the internet. So I can see why
Speaker 7: people may think that, and I think this person may
Speaker 7: be referring to you being the new podcast host and
Speaker 7: a new friend of my life.
Speaker 1: As she went on to say that she's always going
Speaker 1: to be open to making new connections and reiterated it
Speaker 1: wasn't about getting bored with a friendship. It's when something
Speaker 1: happens and she and the friend can't move past it,
Speaker 1: all drift apart and the chapter closes. As. She also
Speaker 1: went on to answer three separate assumption questions about her
Speaker 1: former podcast co host Kiara Durrow So. The first was
Speaker 1: an assumption about Kiara not being a good friend because
Speaker 1: she didn't visit Ashy in hospital, so As she pretty
Speaker 1: much shot this one down, saying she didn't think Kiara
Speaker 1: was a bad friend for not visiting her. Now, another
Speaker 1: assumption was that ash started drama with Kiara, which she denied.
Speaker 1: She said she was supportive of Kiara's decision to leave
Speaker 1: the podcast to spend more time with her family. And
Speaker 1: insisted Kiara encouraged her to get a new podcast host
Speaker 1: now as she's co host. Tiana was quick to jump
Speaker 1: in and back Ashy up, saying it was so far
Speaker 1: from the truth. As she then said.
Speaker 7: This, you could literally interview our podcast producers, everyone involved,
Speaker 7: and they would back that to the cows come home. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: that is total opposite.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: The final question was in regard to Kiara's thoughts on
Speaker 1: the new podcast rebrand. So while as she said she
Speaker 1: couldn't speak on her behalf, she said she hoped she
Speaker 1: was happy for her. She went on to say she
Speaker 1: could understand if she wasn't feeling good about the rebrand
Speaker 1: because of jealousy. Do you know what this all demonstrates
Speaker 1: to me is that Ashy is desperate for podcast downloads
Speaker 1: because this goes against her whole branding of you know
Speaker 1: person and rising above. She wants to weigh into the
Speaker 1: weeds because clearly no one's been that excited by this
Speaker 1: podcast rebrand. No one is listening, and she thinks, well, fuck,
Speaker 1: I actually need to talk about all of these controversial
Speaker 1: issues to get any download? Does I actually honestly think
Speaker 1: that people are buying this stuff? I tend to agree
Speaker 1: with you, Sophia. I'm guessing the downloads aren't that good
Speaker 1: because the other assumptions that as she touched on mostly
Speaker 1: had to do with her sex life. There were questions
Speaker 1: like are you bisexual? How many times do you have
Speaker 1: sex with your husbands? It's like a great episode, like,
Speaker 1: as you said, finally someone actually answering the questions people,
Speaker 1: what are you here?
Speaker 2: It seems like.
Speaker 1: They're going down the root of Steph Clears Smith and
Speaker 1: Laura Henshaw's podcast, so that sort of shock value stuff
Speaker 1: that they can cut up on TikTok that will go viral.
Speaker 1: I mean it's clever, But the thing is, I suppose
Speaker 1: you've got to work out how much of.
Speaker 2: Your soul you want to bear in order for a
Speaker 2: podcast to do well well.
Speaker 1: Kiara understandably wasn't too happy about Ashy's podcast episode, and
Speaker 1: she defended herself on her Instagram story, writing, people must
Speaker 1: be running out of things to talk about, because once
Speaker 1: again I'm the hot topic life out loud. Don't believe
Speaker 1: a word she said. Ask her to share the text
Speaker 1: between my husband and hers. That will clear things up
Speaker 1: real quick. If she has lost them, I've still got them. Also,
Speaker 1: I did ask to visit her in hospital multiple times,
Speaker 1: and she declined because it was a quick turnaround. She
Speaker 1: was in ICU so couldn't have visitors. Now Kiara wasn't
Speaker 1: done there. She jumped on her stories and said.
Speaker 4: This hopefully this is the last time I'm even having
Speaker 4: to bring this up because I'm honestly so sick of
Speaker 4: talking about this topic. I'm trying so hard, guys, to
Speaker 4: move on, move forward and enjoin my life, like, not
Speaker 4: bring anyone else down. Hence why I haven't. I'm trying
Speaker 4: so hard to rise above it. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I've got screenshots, I've
Speaker 4: got what I need to show that I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 4: But I'm trying to not make life harder for other people.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to keep going on with my life,
Speaker 4: have a beautiful day, enjoy the rest of my week,
Speaker 4: hopefully never have to talk about any of this again,
Speaker 4: and I hope you guys have a beautiful day as well.
Speaker 4: I remember you can always choose kindness. But also, yeah,
Speaker 4: I won't let people talk about me and try to
Speaker 4: bring me down without defending myself. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm happy to release screenshots if you really want me to,
Speaker 4: but I don't think you would want me to, So
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be kind.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be nice.
Speaker 4: Have a beautiful day, guys.
Speaker 1: That was almost a little subtle plug for Ash's podcast
Speaker 1: because she referenced Rising Above It, which is the name
Speaker 1: of her podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeahich, she did poke fun at that.
Speaker 1: She wrote on her story rise above It all laugh
Speaker 1: out loud, but honestly, time to walk the walk. I
Speaker 1: for one, desperately want to see these screenshots she's referencing.
Speaker 1: She did say her audience probably doesn't want her to
Speaker 1: show them. No, Kiara, you are completely wrong. People want
Speaker 1: to show them. I think it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: warning to actually, like, please keep my name out of
Speaker 1: your mouth.
Speaker 2: And if you continue to talk about me on your podcast, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to start releasing stuff fairy Will Smith if you
Speaker 1: amy that comm Yeah, let's get into our Friday debrief
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna kick us off. I have a recommendation
Speaker 1: for you. I tried fairy Bread Hot Cross buns and
Speaker 1: I was on the fence about them. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna pop them in the basket because I needed
Speaker 1: to bump up our online shop I have no regrets.
Speaker 2: They were so good. I've never seen them before. Is
Speaker 2: this a new thing?
Speaker 1: They were just from Woolies. I think they've been around
Speaker 1: maybe for a year or so. Here they seem to
Speaker 1: bring out a new flavor. I remember last Easter Ian
Speaker 1: Huey Hewitson, Yes, he launched on TikTok. I think his
Speaker 1: granddaughter was helping him film and he did a taste
Speaker 1: test of all of the different Hot Cross buns. It
Speaker 1: was possibly the cutest thing I've ever seen see. I
Speaker 1: normally like the fruitless ones because I'm not a massive
Speaker 1: sultana fan and I'll put na tailer on there. But
Speaker 1: these fairy bread ones, it were so good because I've
Speaker 1: got a bit of white chocolate in them, and you
Speaker 1: put them in the oven and then cut them in
Speaker 1: half so that the bread is still soft in the middle.
Speaker 1: Put butter on, and then they had a little packet
Speaker 1: of one hundreds and thousand sprinkles as well. What Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a fan of the Baker's Delight
Speaker 1: sprinkled finger button, so this is definitely up my alley
Speaker 1: and I have to try it well. I have been
Speaker 1: dying to talk about a snippet I saw from Sunday
Speaker 1: Nights episode of Married at First Sight. So for context,
Speaker 1: contestants Ryan and Jackie were sitting on the couch and
Speaker 1: they were having a debrief with the experts when this
Speaker 1: happened down.
Speaker 2: Now maths.
Speaker 1: Fans were quick to share this clip across TikTok, with
Speaker 1: many people questioning who farted on the couch and why
Speaker 1: was it not edited out? I know, so a lot
Speaker 1: of people said, well, maybe it was Jackie saying mmm, no,
Speaker 1: but it was it had to be a far and
Speaker 1: it led the couch. Yeah, I think it was actually
Speaker 1: lead the couch. It's also very amplified. I feel like
Speaker 1: that fart was turned up. Did anyone actually say anything
Speaker 1: about the far? There was nothing mentioned.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: My favorite comment on tik talk was someone who wrote,
Speaker 1: I was watching it by myself and thought I farted.
Speaker 1: This actually reminds me of years and years ago. I
Speaker 1: was out for a meal with my ex boyfriend, so
Speaker 1: his parents were in Europe and we'd been invited over
Speaker 1: to his family friend's house for dinner. So this older couple,
Speaker 1: they'd made him his favorite dessert, which was chocolate moose,
Speaker 1: and he was actually helping himself to seconds of the
Speaker 1: Chocolate Moose when we all heard an audible fart and
Speaker 1: literally similar to Maths, no one said anything, and it
Speaker 1: was so obvious that it was him, And we got
Speaker 1: in the car and he said, gee, I think I
Speaker 1: hid that pretty well.
Speaker 2: I was like, are you serious.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you hang out with grandparents
Speaker 1: or elderly people and they get to that stage where
Speaker 1: they just let out a fart now and then and
Speaker 1: everyone just has to pretend it's not happened because they
Speaker 1: haven't heard of themselves. I really feel like someone should
Speaker 1: have taken ownership of that.
Speaker 2: Fart or well.
Speaker 1: Adrian, who's probably the most controversial groom on this year's series,
Speaker 1: he actually waged in and wrote under the TikTok he
Speaker 1: said that the cameraman did him dirty because they had
Speaker 1: to him after the fart noise and he denied that.
Speaker 2: It was him.
Speaker 1: Well, whoever denied it usually supplied it, so I don't
Speaker 1: know who I believe. I also have a recommendation, and
Speaker 1: it is for a new documentary which has dropped on
Speaker 1: Netflix called American Murder Gabby Potito. Now, this is the
Speaker 1: story of a twenty two year old American girl called
Speaker 1: Gabby who embarked on a van trip with her boyfriend
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. Now, they made headlines in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: when he returned home, but she didn't.
Speaker 2: It's all coming back.
Speaker 1: Did she have a YouTube channel documenting the trip as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she actually.
Speaker 1: Started her YouTube channel when they embarked on this trip
Speaker 1: and she decided that she wanted to try and make
Speaker 1: that her career. And in the documentary, it shows a
Speaker 1: lot of the behind the scenes of the filming because
Speaker 1: they basically had access to all of her videos. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, and you would see a lot of moments
Speaker 1: where there was tension between the couple and they were
Speaker 1: arguing because Brian.
Speaker 2: Didn't want her to do the channel. Did she have
Speaker 2: many followers on them?
Speaker 1: No, Well, what's really sad is she only released one
Speaker 1: video and the video ended up getting millions and millions.
Speaker 2: Of views basically after her murder.
Speaker 1: So it was really sad because she was so keen
Speaker 1: to make it a success and she would have never
Speaker 1: known that it got all of the views.
Speaker 2: For the reason that.
Speaker 1: It did, my partner and I were absolutely glued.
Speaker 2: It was riveting.
Speaker 1: The documentary was cut up into episodes, so we Binge
Speaker 1: the whole thing in one night.
Speaker 2: Many episodes.
Speaker 1: There's three episodes. They're about an hour long. So we
Speaker 1: did have quite a big night watching all of it.
Speaker 1: But it's that sort of show you I just we
Speaker 1: couldn't turn it off. We just kept looking at each
Speaker 1: other just saying, this is so sad.
Speaker 2: Look enjoy that binging TV. Well you can, Yeah, I will,
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 1: Now. I think that is all we have time for today.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on the traditional land of the
Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes.
Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present