1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hoary Styles is the name of the podcast. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Is it a thing that for your whole life you 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: actually can't just go? Has to be ha? 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know. 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if it started at a certain age, 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 3: but I feel in the last few years I've realized 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: that I can't. So it's it's so horse. I can't say. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying as hard as I can not to do 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: that noise. 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: Horse, horse horse. 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Something, but something's blocking it. 12 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 4: Right. 13 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: But it's not like so Harry totally fine, who totally fine? 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 3: Hoary yeah, or gone horse fine. 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: As soon as it's the it's. 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: Because you actually did do it on Harry Styles? 17 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Did I just do it? 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: It's when you're not consciously thinking about you're going back 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: to the how are you? I mean a past life 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: you were a pool clinic? 21 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: Could That makes a lot of sense actually, because I 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 3: look very good in the cutoff Dinner and and. 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: The dick Togs. 24 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Gone back? Did you Well? 25 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: You'll have to listen to the podcast to hear what 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: I was doing and why I got papped, And yet 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 3: you'll probably find out that it wasn't that impressive at all. 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: Great show though, ash great show, so much good get 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,919 Speaker 3: and we actually we speak to the first ever open 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: Australian transgender athlete. 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: From the nineties. 32 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: Amazing, have an amazing perspective on these new findings by Fenas. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: So you'll get that chat here. We got some coming 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: out store Jay Body show. 35 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: What we talk a lot about wanting to have sex 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: with Harry's start. 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: That was just a constant thread through the entire thing. 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: You actually, I believe during the show and you'll hear this, 39 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: but you were running through in your head the scenario 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: where Harry comes to your door and what did he say, again. 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Can I come in? 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 5: Moon? 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? And then like when you do let him in 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, like he because he's all back consent. 45 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: He also would ask can I got me? 46 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 4: He would ask. 47 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: He would always all this is the Will and Woody 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: podcast sad Ash. 49 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the spicy meat ball that is this 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: is this is a spicy. 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: A lot of people have a lot of opinions, which 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: is weird because imagine if you were trans and the 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: rest of the country in the world is having this 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: huge discussion about what you have the right to do. 55 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: So true, we will never really understand that it's yeah, 56 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: spicy indeed. 57 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: So there's some new rules that have come out around 59 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: transgender women in sport. 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: FENA have made some new ruling. 61 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: Plus today maybe it was late yesterday International Rugby League 62 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: banned transgender women as it looks to create an inclusive 63 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: policy after the FENA ruling. 64 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Look, if you've missed any of it, have listened to this. 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 6: Leah Thomas, a US swimmer, became the first openly transgender 66 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 6: athlete to win the top US title. Now, at a 67 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 6: meeting that they've held on the sidelines of the World 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 6: Championships in Hungary, seventy one percent of delegates have voted 69 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 6: to bear transgender athletes from competing in elite women's swimming events. 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: Now right now on the phone, Ash, I mean you 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: and me, as you sort of highlighted before, we're in 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: no position to talk or comment on this, but someone 73 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: who is is one of Australia's first ever public transgender 74 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: athletes and the first to be granted a place in 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: open women's sport. Her name is Ricky Coglan and she 76 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: joins us on the phone right now. 77 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: Hello Ricky, Yeah, hi God, how are you going leading 78 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: our best lives? 79 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Babe? 80 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: Take us back to the early nineties when this happened 81 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: for you, because it was a very very different time 82 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: and you it wasn't your decision to really doubt yourself. 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: You were outed as an athlete as a woman. Tell 84 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: us about how that kind of felt and how that 85 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: went down. 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: Well, I had some idea that it was coming, but 87 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: the way it dropped was pretty incredible. I was at 88 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 4: Sydney Athletics Field preparing for our Saturday afternoon eight hundred 89 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: meter ray so as we were back then, and suddenly 90 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: Channel seven News turned up and a woman turned up 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: with what she said was a petition asking for me 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: to be banned from the sport. 93 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: Wow. 94 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 4: And so I finished up headlining on Channel seven News 95 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: that night and the next day, of course, there were 96 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: photographers everywhere, and the next day I was plastered all 97 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: over the front of newspapers in Australia. Wow. So I 98 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: am just you can imagine you're freaking out when this 99 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: is happening. And yeah, I joined my squad in Centennial 100 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: Park in Sydney for our Sunday morning run and afterwards 101 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: we all headed down the Bondai for our lunch, as 102 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: we know would do sometimes. And so I'm walking up 103 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: Campbell Parade and there's a guy in front of a newsagent. 104 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: He's holding a newspaper and he looks at me and 105 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: he looks at the paper and he says, this is you. 106 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: Yeah it is. And he said wait here, and he 107 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: came back with a pen and said sign it. Yeah, 108 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: celebrity instantly. So at first I'm signing, and then it 109 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: was like, you know, what's your name? 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I get it, Ricky, I totally get it. 111 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: But can I so? Ricky? You were allowed to keep 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: competing though? That's right, isn't it. 113 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 7: Yeah? 114 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 4: Well, what happened was when I met with Athletics New 115 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: South Wales raa co the position of Athletics Australia and 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: said that athletics is a sport for everyone and there 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 4: is a place for you in this sport. What you 118 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: need to work out on going though, is how are 119 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: we going to manage the and if we need to 120 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: shape rules specifically around you. And so they did test 121 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 4: on me for eighteen months what kind of strain Institute 122 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: of Sport. Well, they got me on treadmills and they 123 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: wanted to test my heart stroke volume and lung capacity 124 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: and what they call you the two max or your 125 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 4: capacity to absorb a utilized oxygen? 126 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: And Ricky, sorry, was that to ensure that you didn't 127 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: have what they were probably deeming an unfair advantage to 128 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: be competing with you? 129 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 5: Is that right? 130 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: Because what they wanted to know is did I carry 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: from I transitioned in nineteen eighty so this is nineteen 132 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: ninety one. So what they wanted to know is does 133 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: this person carry any advantages from her life prior to 134 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: transitioning that women don't have access to? And this is 135 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 4: the very crux of the issue. 136 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: Well, that links into what Fiena have said, which is 137 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: that if you are to be allowed to compete as transgender, 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: you have to have come out before you have to 139 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: have transitioned before the age of twelve, which I just 140 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: don't know who would be transitioning before twelve, like such 141 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: a big decision to make. Ricky, this is fascinating stuff. 142 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: We've got to go to a song. I want to 143 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: talk to you more, just about you know, these new 144 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: rules around transgender women in sport and your views on 145 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: your opinions on it. 146 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, on the phone right. 147 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: Now, We've got Ricky Coglan, and Ricky is one of 148 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: Australia's first public transgender athletes and the first to be 149 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: granted a place in open women's sport. That was all 150 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: the way back in the nineties. And Ricky, we're really 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: keen to hear your thoughts on fiena's new rules around 152 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: transgender women in sport. If people haven't heard, they're saying 153 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 3: that transitive women are eligible to compete in women's competitions, 154 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: but only if they have transitions before. 155 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: The age of twelve. Ricky, what are your thoughts? 156 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: Well, my thoughts are that this is a very deep 157 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: area in terms of science and ethics, and I feel 158 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 4: that seen that we're a little lazy in their approach 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: to these things. Okay, there is there are positions we 160 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: can take which do satisfy the needs for not what 161 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: we call fair competition, because fair competition looks like a 162 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: Neil All draw at the World Cup or a dead 163 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: heat in one hundred meters race. When we're talking about fairness, 164 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: I think what we really mean is meaningful competition. Now, 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: we can have meaningful competition and include transgender athletes, but 166 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: I think the approach that Athletics Australia took with me 167 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 4: back in nineteen ninety one is a really great way 168 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 4: to go because they basically tested me for eighteen months 169 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: and they evaluated the outcome of those tests with the 170 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: athletic norms for females and said, well, Ricky, you fit 171 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: that set of norms, so we are happy for you 172 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: to continue participating in women's sport. 173 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: Do you think it's different for some sports, Ricky, because 174 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: I know Leah Thomas is really made headlines around the 175 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: world transitioning and then really wiping the floor with her 176 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: fellow swimmers. Are they differences from sport to sport? 177 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 8: Do you think that? 178 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: Look? 179 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 4: There would be, of course, because different talents and skills 180 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 4: and opportunity in one's life story, as well as physical 181 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: and mental capacities more play a role in these things. 182 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: But in swimming, I think we have to know that 183 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 4: Leah Thomas might have wiped the floor, but the best 184 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 4: swimmers didn't come to that event. Apparently the colors of restrictions, 185 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: the last year's winner would have won her race by 186 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: fifty or more seconds, so it was really just a 187 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 4: little bit of a Bradbury so so, and I think 188 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: too that when we start to talk about separate categories 189 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: for transgender women, which is what Seena are talking about. 190 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 4: It's starting to look a little bit like the white 191 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: folks barbler and the colored folks bubbler and what that 192 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: looks like. And there's the shining competition for the non 193 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 4: transgender women here, and here's this little side show for 194 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: the transgender women who will put them over there, so 195 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: you're included, but over there. 196 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: And I a lot if it words in your mouth, Rickie, 197 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: but I imagine as someone who is transgender, to be 198 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: treated separately like that is pretty much the opposite of 199 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: what you're fighting for. 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: Well, it's really taking us down a really well a 201 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: slippery slope, if we can use that term. So yeah, 202 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: I think that. So it just comes up as lazy 203 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 4: at so many levels. And I think that if we 204 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 4: aspire to making sport all that can be, which is 205 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 4: a leader in our society in which guides our society 206 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: and also reflects our society and our culture, that sport 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: can do better than that. And we are seeing sport 208 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 4: doing well in this space. In Australia. There are more 209 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: than twenty national sporting organizations which have come up with 210 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 4: domestic policies that include transend to people and in this 211 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 4: way they're leading. And this is like back in nineteen 212 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 4: ninety one when I got out it, I've discovered in 213 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: Australia that was so welcoming and who even celebrated me. 214 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: I was signing autographs, going to schools, talking to kids 215 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: and shaking hands in the street, the whole lot. And 216 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: this was because of the leadership. I think of Athletics 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 4: Australia and Athletics New South Wales who by not saying 218 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: we will start from a place of exclusion, but we 219 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: will start from a place of inclusion. And so we 220 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 4: shaped a lot of the conversation. And ultimately this conversation 221 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 4: is one of what kind of world do we want 222 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: to live in? The one dimensional uniformity of the human 223 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: species or the human race, or do we want to 224 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: have an open, diverse humanity that we can sell break. 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think most Australians do want that Australia right, 226 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: we do want to be in. It just means we 227 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: have to have some tough conversations. We have to sit 228 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: in the awkwardness of it. We have to admit that 229 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: we don't know what the right way forward is, but 230 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: listen to people right and really have the guts to 231 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: make some tough calls. So I hope we get there, Ricky, 232 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: because that's the kind of Australia I want. I think 233 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: a lot of us is one as well. Mate. 234 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 4: Well, I think we do. You know, we lead the 235 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: world in this, and we also lead the world in 236 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: supporting transgender children. So I think that Australia should feel 237 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: great about our position in these things. Yeah, I just 238 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: know I collapsed to Australia. I just think we do 239 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: so well in space. 240 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I clap for you, Ricky Coglan, You're very welcome. 241 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: And Ricky sorry, you were briefly commenting on your level 242 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: of fame where you were signing photos on newspapers, et cetera. 243 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: Were you ever papped? No, haven't. 244 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: You don't know what getting Padarazi. 245 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: Well, before all of this really came out, leading to 246 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 4: the leading up to this whole thing, I got out 247 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: of my car at work. I was managing a gym 248 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: at the top. I got out of the car and 249 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 4: I could hear a motor drive going and of course, 250 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 4: so this is the early nineties, and I look across 251 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: the road and there's a long lens sticking out of 252 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: the car. 253 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: It's Will and I love nothing more than on like 254 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: Reddit or the internet generally in forums the old am 255 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: I the ahole threads, which means it's rare that on 256 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: radio we can play bit of Dennis Leary. Now, this 257 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: one I came across in my like pregnancy app. I 258 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: know that, Mim, your partner uses flow is also what 259 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: I use. Instant flow is a forum. So like all 260 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: the other women who were also as pregnant as you are, 261 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: all you know, all the twenty weeks twenty feb and 262 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: they'd have a you know, a little I don't know 263 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: what with this is anyone getting this weird discharge whatever? 264 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: There was one that kept me awake because I was 265 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: absolutely incensed by it to the point where I don't 266 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: think there's anyone that's going to call through that is 267 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: not going to think this lady is a bit of 268 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: an a whole And I'd love your thoughts to you. Okay, 269 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: hit me, Okay, So this woman is planning her baby 270 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: shower right. 271 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: MIM's doing that at the moment. 272 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: Actually, fantastic, love that for you guys. Am I going 273 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: to copy the advice? 274 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I have to mimas in charge. 275 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: I know all the good presents, but that's fine. So 276 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: she's planning her baby shower, and she says, am I 277 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: the a hole. I will be giving wristbands on arrival 278 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: to people that come to my baby shower. If you 279 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: bring a gift, you get a green wristband. If you 280 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 2: don't bring a gift, you get a red wristband. And 281 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: only green wristbands are allowed to partake in the food. Oh, 282 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: because she's saying, I'm only supplying food to people who 283 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: bring me a gift to my baby shower. And then 284 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: every half the women on the forum are like, you 285 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: do not deserve to be a mom, and the other 286 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: half are like, damn straight they know because are a food? 287 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 9: Are you? Well? 288 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 3: Are you I've never been to a baby shower myself? 289 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: Are you a bit of a I avoid them at all. 290 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: They are they all the games where it's like, oh 291 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: is it chocolate? Pool in with that? 292 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: I just want to come, let me give you the present, 293 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: give me a bottle of rose, and let me go home. 294 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: Okay. 295 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: So to defend this mom who's doing the wristbands, is 296 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: it really rude to rock up to a baby shower 297 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: without a gift. 298 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Well, it kind of says it in the name, like 299 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: it's a baby shower. However, I mean some people can 300 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: come and shower you the baby with love, like I 301 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: don't think to the point. 302 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: Shower with loves. 303 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: I understand, But you can't then say, even though we 304 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: don't explicitly say you're here to bring me a gift, 305 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: the form the gift, you can then say, I'm not 306 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: giving you a one dollar aldi party pie. 307 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: No, that's true. 308 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: Maybe there should be like a bit of a separation 309 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: where it's like, if you've got a red wristband on, 310 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: you can have the crabby food, like the party pies and. 311 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: The sausage rolls. 312 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: If you've got a green wristband, you can have the 313 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: lobster and like the better food, feed them, feeds them 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: crap food, separating. 315 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: Them though, embarrassing to go over to the crabby table 316 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: and put the tomato sauce on the one dollar. 317 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: Embarrassing to rock up without a gift. Let's got a 318 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: Maddie here, Maddie, you've got three kids, you've. 319 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Had one baby shower. 320 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this woman online who is 321 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: dividing up the people who give her gifts and not 322 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: give her gifts with wristbands? 323 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 9: What absolute abnormal not bring a present, because I think 324 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 9: what a baby shower is really about is saying goodbye 325 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 9: to all your like pre baby friends because you will 326 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 9: never see them again. 327 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: Oh God, Okay, speaking like it is, London's with us 328 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: all thanks to to Toyo to Corolla. You're getting all 329 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: nervous and a bit flustered because of what we were 330 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: about to speak about. The incredible Harry Styles. He can 331 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: do no wrong. I stand by what I said yesterday, 332 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: which is every person on the planet, no matter what 333 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: they're into, who they're into, would definitely give Harry Styles 334 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: if he stood in front of you at your hotel 335 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 2: room and said can I come in? Yeah, you open 336 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: the door and say come on in. Starles, he just 337 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 2: never fails to. Maybe maybe I should ask Samantha Jade 338 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: about that later if she is that awkward. 339 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: You're supposed to be the professional one. 340 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: I don't think it's a good idea to ask Jads. 341 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: I don't have to say that word. I can just say, 342 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, like would him if he was at your 343 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: hotel room and he said can I uncle? 344 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 8: Men? 345 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? 346 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: I agree with this as Jade, that question great. 347 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: We'll come back to that. So Harry Starles is on 348 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: his Love on Tour Tour, which is coming to Australia. 349 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: I'm very excited and someone had a sign in the 350 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: crowd that said help me come out. So Harry Styles 351 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 2: saw the sign, he grabbed the sign off the person 352 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: and then this happened. 353 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 7: When this sign goes over ahead, you're officially yeah, my boy. 354 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: I cried watching the video. It's at Wembley Stadium, so 355 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: you can imagine how maybe sixty seventy eighty thousand people 356 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: they have. 357 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: No idea but a lot a lot of what a 358 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: way to come out to me? 359 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: Do you do you have a cool coming out story? 360 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 10: I came out to my parents and was the most 361 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 10: terrifying thing that I ever did. I was it was 362 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 10: Christmas Eve and I was freaking out so much. 363 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: Why did you use Christmas Eve? 364 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 10: Had a curiosity because I was I was moving away, 365 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 10: like because I'd go down to my parents for Christmas Eve. 366 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: They were about an hour the last it. 367 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, it was like, I need to need to get 368 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 10: this done. Everybody else, you know, my sisters knew at 369 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 10: the time. Everybody else knew. My parents were the last 370 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 10: people that I needed to tell. And I went into 371 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 10: their room after they turned the lights out to go 372 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 10: to bed like Super Creep. 373 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: Created the very last moment. 374 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 10: It was freaky and I wented to do it in 375 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 10: the dark turn the last time. I went into the 376 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 10: room and I said, Mom, Dad, I need to tell 377 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 10: you something. 378 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gay. 379 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 10: And then I went, oh, thank god. I thought you 380 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 10: need to go to the police. I thought you'd murdered. 381 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: So someone a big relief. We'd love to hear some 382 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: coming out stories, the good, the bad, the ugly men. 383 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: Maybe it was as dramatic as Harry Styles or waving 384 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: a Pride flag. My sister in law made a video 385 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: to Diana Ross's coming out and then just put it 386 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: on Facebook. I just told everyone at once a good. 387 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 3: Way to do it face to face, to be really 388 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: hard as you identified to all coming. 389 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 10: Out stories thirty and one oh six five did you 390 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 10: see coming out stories? 391 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: I love that song Diana Ross. 392 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, she's the best. 393 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 2: I play this song when I get out of the 394 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: show because they brush my hair and he goes into 395 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: a full throw and then I channel my no one cares. 396 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: Why am telling that story because Harry Styles. 397 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: So he saw a sign in the crowd. It was 398 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: saying like Harry helped me out. I want to come 399 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: out to Harry grabbed to me. Oh, here's the AUDIOCE 400 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: when this song. 401 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 7: Goes up ahead, you're officially gay, my boy. 402 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 3: So much joy it doesn't I don't care. But Harry 403 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: styles what is he? 404 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 2: Is? 405 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: He just straight? 406 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: You think he? Well, he caught his first album a 407 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: fine line, and I think the whole point behind that 408 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: was there was just such a fine line behind gay 409 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: straight by or whatever. He's never really been explicit about it, 410 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: but I think and I think that is kind of 411 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: the new form of masculinity. 412 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: Raight. 413 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: This This is the matter of the future. Is that 414 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: you know what Ebbs the. 415 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 3: Beautiful my cousin and I'm not going to say his name, 416 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: just in case he's not comfortable with me twenty aboutes 417 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: on air, But he came out a couple of years ago, 418 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: and similar to your cousin, he just put on Facebook 419 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: this song. 420 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: When I was in the third grade. I thought that 421 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: that was gone amazing, So he put that there and 422 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: a little message there. 423 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 3: Except so I messaged you straight around and I was like, mate, 424 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 3: so proud of you, Like awesome to hear. And then 425 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: I was like, ps, that song is tight, And I 426 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 3: thought he wrote. 427 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 2: It like I wrote a song. 428 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I don't even know you sung. 429 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't even doesn't even sound like you. Thirteen one 430 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: o six five. Give us your coming out stories. 431 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: You know, Tim. 432 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 5: Similar actually music related twenty first birthday party. I'd come 433 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 5: out to a few people already and I thought getting 434 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 5: more my sister. 435 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: What was that? Dropped out of it? 436 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: The fun bit of the story. 437 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: What happened? Tim? 438 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 4: Now? 439 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 5: Twenty first birthday? My sister said that my music taste 440 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 5: was gay. Granted there was a lot of brittany on it, 441 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 5: so fair. So I had come out already a few times, 442 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 5: but I didn't tell her, and so I automatically, without realizing, 443 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 5: said that, So am I, what is your point? 444 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: I love? That is so gay? 445 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: Nice? Yep, nailed in one, sister, and work on some brittany. 446 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm interested to ask you so before we get 447 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 3: to your story, jess On on how your daughter came 448 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: out you, I'm looking forward to hearing that, and that 449 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: actually perfectly segues in the question I'll ask you. So 450 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: you've got an eight month old boy, buddy, do you. 451 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: As a parent now? 452 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: Because I know Tom, you just told the story about 453 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: being so afraid to tell your parents that you were gay? 454 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: What are you and Adrian going to do to sort 455 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: of are you to get on the front foot with 456 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: you know, your little boy and making sure he feels 457 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: comfortable to tell you that or it's okay to be 458 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: that way. 459 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: My hope is that when the time comes, no announcement 460 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: has to be made because in his generation, it's not 461 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 2: really something you have to announce. And we have a 462 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: lot of like his aunties gay Like, there's so many 463 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: people around us, and I just think it won't be 464 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: a thing. I don't think we'll ever. I hope there 465 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: will be at a place where we just kind of notice, 466 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: you know, he'll talk about having a crush on a 467 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: boy or having a crush on a girl and it's 468 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: not a thing. 469 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I hope that's the case, so you won't 470 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: have like a birds and bees chat, which also does it. 471 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: Actually just happened? I mean, if I keep talking about 472 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: Harry styles the way I do, I think he'll just 473 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: kind of absorb it at some point. 474 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 1: You know that's going to gayify him. You just don't 475 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: your obsessed with Harry. He gets obsessed with Harry. 476 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: And it means that the Birds and the Bees story 477 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: will probably have to happen. Earl Money, Why are you 478 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 2: getting all hot under the car when we talk about 479 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: Harry Starles. 480 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: Right, let's go to now Jazz. Your daughter came out 481 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: to you? Tell us about it. 482 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 11: Yeah, So we were we were sitting around watching TV, 483 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 11: watching RuPaul's drag race, actually, and she was getting a 484 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 11: little bit emotional. It was a bit weird. I was 485 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 11: asking her what was wrong, what was wrong? And in 486 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 11: my mind, I'm thinking someone's hurt my child. 487 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 9: Yeah. 488 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 11: And then and we've had a very close relationship too, 489 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 11: and she ended up hysterically crying, and I was getting 490 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 11: quite scared and asked that she was shaking, And I said, 491 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 11: what's wrong? And she's, you know, mom, you know, you know. 492 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 11: I go, what do you mean? 493 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 4: I know? 494 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 11: And you know, mom, you know? And I said that 495 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 11: you're gay and she said yes. And I said, but why, 496 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 11: what's wrong? Why are you Why are you so upset? 497 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 11: Why are you so emotional? And it took a little bit, 498 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 11: but she had eventually said because it had taken her 499 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 11: a few years to accept who she was and having 500 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 11: to come out is scary. And even though she knew 501 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 11: that we were close. It was like it was a 502 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 11: big weight on her shoulders only. 503 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not only about your reaction to it, 504 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: it's more just her going. I'm coming to terms with 505 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: the fact that I'm going. And Tom Button push to 506 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: Tom and you you traveled the world first, and then 507 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: so you Lily. 508 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, I did my coming out tour of twenty twelve, UK. 509 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: Europe and US. 510 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 10: No matter, No man, what Berlin was my bedroom? 511 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 4: More Will and Woody the Will and Woody Podcast. 512 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 10: We are so pumped right now because we have a 513 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 10: very special guest. 514 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 3: Some of the job. 515 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 9: Doesn't tell me. 516 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: Oh song, Sammy, it's still that one and bound you 517 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: know it's my favorite. They dance into my soul. Man. 518 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 9: Thank you. 519 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: Now, Sammy, we're going to talk about your new single 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: Dance Again. We are both very bloody excited the fact 521 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: that you've made some new music. But before I get 522 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: to questions about your new single, can you remind me 523 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: were you my show girlfriend on Celebrity Apprentice or were 524 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 3: you Will's show girlfriend? 525 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 8: Remember it was kind of up to Terrea every week, 526 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,719 Speaker 8: like she every day she would change who she wanted 527 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 8: to be. 528 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: Some explanation here as to what kind of weird and 529 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: wacky shit went down. 530 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 8: Sam was like we partnered at like we had a 531 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 8: person that we could, you know, really just chat to 532 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 8: and be like, oh, this was a hard day or 533 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 8: whatever it may be. And Teria we kind of took 534 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 8: her lead. She's the one who invented it, really. 535 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: She did, Yes, she did. 536 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: And she also invented the real keys in the bowl 537 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 3: swinger situation, which was talking changing who you were dating 538 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 3: very very quickly from day to day. But I was 539 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: actually I was really sad to see, by the way, 540 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: the finale of Celebrity Apprentice is on tonight, but I 541 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 3: was sad. 542 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: To read that you'd go home in tears in between. 543 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 8: So many of the times I would go home in tears, 544 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 8: Like Pat was like, like, what do I do with you? 545 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 8: It's like, what's happening here? You're so sad, But you 546 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 8: know what it's like. 547 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: It's like that. 548 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 8: Pressure cooker situation, and everything was just so intense. And 549 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 8: I think that towards the end of my little journey 550 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 8: on the show, I didn't cry as much. It was 551 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 8: the first weeks. 552 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how you guys did it, Like I 553 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: just watched the promos and it was too awkward for 554 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 2: me to watch because it was like, isn't you think 555 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 2: Celebrity Apprentice people got were easy on each other? Yeah, 556 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 2: she gets personal. 557 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, seriously it does, and like, don't you reckon? 558 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 8: When you watch back, you're like, what that was going on? 559 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 8: I didn't even know. 560 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: That, like totally because yeah, because yes, because you see 561 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: for the first time the interviews they do privately, like 562 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: while you're filming there, everyone's still sort of being nice 563 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: to your fans, and then all of a sudden you 564 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: watch it again like watching the TV, and you're like, oh, 565 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: that's what Ronnie actually thought of me. 566 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: There was the biggest back stuff because I think Ronnie 567 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: is not coming across like he's a very good person, 568 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: just quietly he yeah, I mean his trouble. 569 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 8: Whoa what was he all those interviews? I was like, 570 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 8: what tells are you really feel whole? He was like 571 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 8: so intense with that stuff. 572 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: It was so intense. 573 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 8: But I think that what cracked me up the most 574 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 8: about like my firing episode, is that I'm just like 575 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 8: sitting there chatting to Amy and Carla and they're just 576 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 8: having a full conversation basically saying they're about to find 577 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 8: like kick me Out. It's happening right here, but you 578 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 8: know how it is, you can't actually hear them. 579 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: Yes, it is a very interesting rewatch Now, Samantha, we 580 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 3: should talk about something which is a bit more upbeat though, 581 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: and that's your new single. 582 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought we were about to ask him she 583 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: would Harry Styles. That's what I've been asking everybody all 584 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: day because I have a theory that everyone, no matter 585 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: what sex, gender, sexual proclivity, whatever you're into, no one 586 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 2: would say no to Harry Styles. 587 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 8: He is a beautiful, beautiful man. 588 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: Hang on, though, Sammy, I want the full answer that 589 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: question after we hear a new single. 590 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Joined this right now. We did just hear your new 591 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: song Dance Again. 592 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: Go and have a listen to it wherever you get 593 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: your music from getting around Sammy's new one. 594 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: But there's a great message behind it, Sammy. 595 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were actually inspired by your late mum, 596 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: Jackie with this one. 597 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 9: Yeah. 598 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 8: Well, my mom was a dancer from when she was 599 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 8: like three or four. She loved dancing, and then she 600 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 8: went on to be a ballerina in her teenage years 601 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 8: and always loved dancing, and then you know, she got 602 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 8: sick with cancer. And it was the kind of cancer 603 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 8: that like kind of took away her ability to walk 604 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 8: and ultimately dance, which was her favorite thing. And so 605 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 8: we'd be in the hospital room and she'd be like, 606 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 8: make us like dance and dance in her little hospital bed. 607 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 8: And when I was writing this, it wasn't primarily about that. 608 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 8: It was more so during COVID and we couldn't actually dance. Remember, 609 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 8: we couldn't go. 610 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 2: Like I forgot about that. It was so remember how 611 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: weird that was. Yeah, And so I was. 612 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 8: Inspired by that and obviously my mum and how horrible 613 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 8: that was. And she used to always say to me, like, 614 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 8: while you have your legs, use them, use them, dance 615 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 8: around the house and do those things. And so yeah, 616 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 8: that sentiment and the and COVID and all of the craziness. 617 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 8: I just thought it was a really nice kind of 618 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 8: sentiment to be like, yeah, we are going to dance again, 619 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 8: and things are things are going to be okay. 620 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 2: Love that she would be looking down, absolutely stoked about 621 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: the whole thing. She's back in the spotlight, baby, loving that. 622 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: I love that story, Sammy. 623 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: Before the song, I think we were hitting on an 624 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: area which we're both very interested to hear about, well. 625 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: There are you ash to me because I thought that's 626 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: where you were going with this, but you said you 627 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: wanted to get excited about her song. Yes, it's a 628 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: theory that I have, especially after you know what he's 629 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: been playing Wembley and he's just gorgeous. Is that everyone 630 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: in the world, no matter your age, gender, what you're into, 631 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: if given the opportunity, no one would say no to 632 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: an a Harry with Harry Styles. 633 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 8: He is a beautiful man. Here's the weird thing here 634 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 8: the spanner. 635 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: There's no spanner. 636 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: The spanner is here. 637 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 8: I went on to tour with One Direction when they 638 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 8: were here, and he was really lovely. I met his 639 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 8: stepmom and his dad. They were very lovely. He was very, 640 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 8: very kind, probably the nicest out of all the boys, 641 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 8: like Nile and him. Here's the weird thing. My best 642 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 8: friend Amanda goes, is it just me or does Harry 643 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 8: look Does your brother look so much like Harry Styles. 644 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: That's a spanner, babe, spanner? 645 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I was like, oh my god. Yeah, and 646 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 8: so now it's a thing that my brother gets total 647 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 8: he looks like Harry Styles. So it's the love affair 648 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 8: is over it's been over. 649 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: It can't be getting over that spanner, babe. 650 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 8: It's a weird thing. Like so, yeah, so he's my brother, I. 651 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: Won't I won't ask. 652 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: Brother though, did your brother to bars and say that 653 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: he's very style that? 654 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: Do you know? 655 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 8: What was so funny? So when they watched the Perth Show, 656 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 8: one of my one of my brothers that he got 657 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 8: totally looked like Liam and the other one looked like Harry. 658 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 8: So we Hilaire, it's so weird. So we're in the 659 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 8: like box. They were in the box watching right the side, 660 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 8: and some girls had kind of like made a decision 661 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 8: that they thought my brothers were one direction brilliant. So 662 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 8: they were going out and just going like this, like 663 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 8: with their arms up, and all the crowd would be like. 664 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 9: So much. 665 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 8: They were having the time of their life. They're like, 666 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 8: oh my god, this is what it would feel like. 667 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: Yes, final question for me, Actually it's a bit of 668 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: a weird one. 669 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: But it's not that it's not that weird. 670 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: But I always wanted to know, like with you amazing performers, 671 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: like you're going to be getting married soon, Like the 672 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: ceremony is going to happen soon. 673 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: Okay, do you perform at your own wedding, you know what. 674 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 8: And I feel like this might be controversial, but no, 675 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 8: I'm not selfish. 676 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: Bit people. 677 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 2: Behind Wait exactly with. 678 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: Brand new single dance again, you're for your driver. 679 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: It's well And one of my favorite things about doing 680 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: this feeling Woods has been discovering new, weird and wonderful 681 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: things about you. 682 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,479 Speaker 1: What if you love learning about me, Ash. 683 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: I've loved learning that you used to be a pet 684 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: and you and they've got weird eating things for mappy 685 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: stuff and you love a crud de te like a 686 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: raw vegetable. 687 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's it called a crew? 688 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the word for it. Fancy you can take 689 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: that one. But also, something that you mentioned this week 690 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: really took me back. You were the school captain of 691 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 2: your high school. 692 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Why does that chock you? I'm a pretty like intelligent 693 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: leader of men, women, all. 694 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 2: Those things, But you don't come across as the kind 695 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: of nerdy type that one would imagine. 696 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: No. 697 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 2: True, And because at your school you had to come 698 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: back the year after to be the which is kind 699 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: of blame yea. 700 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 3: Super lime, And I think that probably explains why I 701 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 3: did get school captain, because most people that are nerdy 702 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 3: and smart want to start their careers. 703 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: It takes a bit of a. 704 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 3: Loser to go didn't come and do you know I've 705 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 3: got nothing on twelve again? 706 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: Just that you did this? 707 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: Yes? 708 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: Do you think you disappointed them that you then went 709 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: on to do what you've done? That it's disappointing, It's 710 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: just not nerd. Finance lawyer Barriss A few stories. 711 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: So when I was school captain, I one thing I 712 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: did was drive my car through the front fence or 713 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 3: front gate, and that got me in a millionaire super 714 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: hunk because it was a weird thing. Yeah, so I 715 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: did go back to school to be school captain. So 716 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: my mates were doing UNI nights and stuff. So Thursday night, 717 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 3: et cetera, going out, so I was joining them and 718 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 3: then going. 719 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: To school on the Friday morning. 720 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: And on one of those mornings, I drove my car 721 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 3: through a fence which the school actually had to cover 722 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 3: up because they were worried about the optics of the 723 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: school captain's driven like optics when. 724 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: I was a school captain. 725 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 3: And then the other thing I did was I missed 726 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 3: the huge school photo. 727 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: Oh that would be that isn't that? Surely one of 728 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: the top ten responsibilities of the school captain is showing 729 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: up to get the. 730 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: Photo one hundred percent huge one. 731 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 3: I was supposed to be next to the principal, so 732 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 3: the whole school thought there was just a spare seat there. 733 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: Again hungover and then just slept through my alarm and 734 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: then they had to photo shop me. In was a 735 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: little photo shop me next to the principal. So I 736 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 3: wasn't a very good school captain to start And weirdly, 737 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: I have never been invited back to do anything. 738 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: We're not so weirdly now that you know, I thought i'd. 739 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: Be invited to an event or something like. You know, 740 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I've got this radio show very big. 741 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: You got papped on the beach. 742 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: I got papped. 743 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 2: Maybe if you send them a copy of the Albert 744 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh he is he did come good, we should get No, 745 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: you don't want to go back. 746 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 1: It's desperate, the same thing that's too desperate. 747 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: I would love to know that if this is a trend, 748 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: because I know that listening all over Australia right now 749 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 2: there are ex school captain. 750 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 3: The trend being that school captains are actually losers after 751 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 3: they've been. 752 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: School I assumed school captains were all financed is I 753 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: don't even know the words next? 754 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 9: How much? 755 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: I'm not a school captain? 756 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but. 757 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 2: You know you've you've come good, you're cool. So maybe 758 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 2: we could do a little science experiment. You know, if 759 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 2: you were a school captain last year, it could be 760 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 2: forty years ago. 761 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: I don't care. 762 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: I would love to know. Give us a call there 763 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: didn't want honestly I can't. 764 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: Thirteen one oh six five, thirteen one oh six five. 765 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: I'm so last where they got the number on? What 766 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: are you doing now? 767 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: Okay? So were you after the potential? Were you a 768 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: school captain? Thirteen one oh six five, Give us a 769 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: call or like or do you know of a school captain? 770 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 4: Maybe? 771 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: Like your friend was a school captain. You know they've 772 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: gone nowhere? 773 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: Your brother, oh yeah, yeah, you're still living at mum's 774 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: thirty one oh six five. 775 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: You're with will Woody if you drive home. 776 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 2: What do you told me something this week about yourself? 777 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 2: Your past self, your high school self? That well and 778 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: truly surprised me. You were the school captain of your 779 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: high school, which is usually what the nerdy person does, 780 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: and you don't strike me as a nerd and kind 781 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 2: I just say it's cool to be a nerd. Now 782 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm a bag and out nerd. 783 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: You're just not a Yeah you didn't guess that about me, 784 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: and no one does. Everyone thinks I'm joking when I 785 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: tell them that I was school captain. I'm not going 786 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 3: to say what school I went to, but it was 787 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: kind of prestigious schools. 788 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: I would say, maybe if you were the sports this is. 789 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 3: So probriate would play that, And that was my entrance 790 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 3: music to assembly. When I gave speeches, I would I 791 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 3: would skip down the always and then you sermons and whatnot. 792 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 2: But I feel like we found out that my school 793 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 2: was your sister school a couple of years apart, though, 794 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 2: because I'm older than you. But we are doing a 795 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: bit of a social experiment because we've asked the question, 796 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: were you a school captain? And what are you doing there? 797 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: If you want to get involved? God, Kira here, So Kira, 798 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: you a school captain? 799 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 5: Hi? 800 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I was right to have another school captain on 801 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 3: the air. It feels awful being around these clubs. 802 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 11: I know around here it's. 803 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: Gross, isn't it? So what are you doing now? Are 804 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: you still impressive? 805 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 3: No? 806 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 11: I'm a trade oh. 807 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: Which is great. 808 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of money in that. 809 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: So so Kira was there. So how old are you? 810 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 11: Sorry, I'm twenty five? 811 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 3: Twenty five? Okay, so what seven years out of school? 812 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 3: Was there a stage where you were following the more 813 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: school captainy path and then hit the trades. 814 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 4: Well, I think I to them because I told him 815 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 4: I wanted to be a doctor. 816 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: Smart. 817 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 4: I never wanted to be a doctor. 818 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: Who would the pressure. 819 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 2: Good people who want to save life, Yeah, they're great people. 820 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: My mom's a doctor. My mom's doctor. She's the best. 821 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: She's not a doctor that says people's lives. She hates saying. 822 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 2: She's like a PhD. And like Dorogs is a die digian. 823 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 3: But like on a plane, if someone goes, there is 824 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 3: anyone who like moms, sit down, No one wants you. 825 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 3: Let's go here, Tyson, you were school No your mate 826 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 3: your mate was a school captain. 827 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 828 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 12: Yeah, so we were both school captains and are prestigious 829 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 12: or Boys College in Brisbane. And I was a mediocre 830 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 12: captain and sort of didn't really win much. But he 831 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 12: won all these awards of most likely to become like 832 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 12: a astronaut, doctor, physicist, all this stuff, and a month 833 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 12: ago or two months ago, last I heard, he was 834 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 12: still sitting at home playing the PlayStation living off. 835 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and sorry, what are you doing? Mate? If your 836 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: mate's not doing, what are you doing? 837 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 12: So I'm just getting paid to travel the world. 838 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: Really, you're a flight attendant. Yeah, not that much better. 839 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 3: Sorry, I an. 840 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 2: Emergency exit, say three hundred people from shore death. 841 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't. But he's had a big swipe and he's 842 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 1: made there. I'm just saying for the other guy. I 843 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: love flight attendants. Please still serve me the food when 844 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm want to play. Jesse. You're on a flight in 845 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. 846 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: And when I heard you slag your flight attendant. 847 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: Jesse, you were school captain, Jesse. 848 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 11: Yes, I was school captain, school captain and the house 849 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 11: captain at the same time. 850 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 4: And I still work for the school that. 851 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 5: I was like a captain. 852 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: You still did you ever leave? 853 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 9: Well? 854 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 4: I was a student that as soon as I graduated, 855 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 4: I have a last fourth year of our teaching. 856 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Jesse, Jesse, I. 857 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 4: Love the school that I went to, so I couldn't 858 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 4: get enough of them. 859 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: I want to work for them as well. 860 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 2: Clearly you got it. 861 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: Travel, Jesse, Get out of there. There's more to the world. 862 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 2: Syndrome Jesse, Jesse. I want to have a chat to 863 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: Jesse in the So, what's the consensus. I would say 864 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: that most school captains go on to live relatively normal lives. 865 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: Someone never lived in a Tready, we all kill it. 866 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't kill it.