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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to this special episode of The

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Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Wednesday, the eleventh of October. I'm Sam

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Speaker 1: and every day this week TDA journalist Tom Crowley will

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Speaker 1: be bringing you The Voice explained. A series will be

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Speaker 1: running right up until you have to vote in the referendum,

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Speaker 1: which is this Saturday, only a couple of days away.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to the podcast for the first time

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Speaker 1: this week, I recommend starting with Monday's episode and then

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Speaker 1: maybe give Tuesday's listen before today things will make a

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Speaker 1: bit more sense.

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Speaker 2: Our week started at Ularu with a story of how

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Speaker 2: First Nations leaders developed the idea of a voice.

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Speaker 3: We call for the establishment of a First Nation Voice

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Speaker 3: in shrine to the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: Then we went to Canberra where that idea found itself

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Speaker 2: caught in the political crossfire.

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Speaker 4: And all of the noise attempted to be created.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is dividing the nation. It's just word going.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to step back outside of the political bubble.

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Speaker 2: I'll take you to a remote town in northern Western

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Speaker 2: Australia to hear some of the voices that are often

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Speaker 2: missing from our political conversation.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't trust the government. Why should I.

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Speaker 3: Our children are voiceless, our women are voiceless.

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Speaker 2: Episode three, Fitzroy Crossing. It's time for a bit of

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Speaker 2: a change of pace. While this episode is still very

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Speaker 2: much about the voice, I'm not going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it for a little while. Instead, I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: you back to where I was standing just a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. I'd arrived at the coastal town of

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Speaker 2: Broom in northern Wa and was traveling inland to a

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Speaker 2: town called Fitzroy Crossing. The landscapes in this part of

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Speaker 2: the country are astonishingly beautiful. You get red sand meeting

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Speaker 2: bright blue ocean. As you drive inland towards Fitzroy Crossing,

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Speaker 2: the scenery changes. It's flat, it's dry, and it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much as close to the stereotypical out back landscape

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, so much so that it's difficult

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Speaker 2: to imagine. Only a few months before our visit, the

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Speaker 2: whole area was underwater. The town of Fitzroy Crossing gets

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Speaker 2: its name because it's a river crossing town across the

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Speaker 2: mighty Fitzroy River. When I arrived, the Fitzroy River was

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Speaker 2: dry as a bone, but in January it reached its

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Speaker 2: highest evil level and caused a flood all through the

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Speaker 2: local area. Okay, so we're sitting here looking out over

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Speaker 2: the construction side of the new bridge across the Fitzroy River,

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Speaker 2: which is one of the things that came out of

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Speaker 2: the floods that were here earlier this year. Can you

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Speaker 2: tell me a bit about, firstly, the devastation of the

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Speaker 2: floods themselves.

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Speaker 6: A lot about Bunaber communities are on the floodplain upstream

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Speaker 2: This is Bounaber elder Joe Ross, who showed us building

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Speaker 2: after building which had been rendered uninhabitable by these.

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Speaker 6: Floods, and so we lost the About eighty percent of

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Speaker 6: the damages of houses and communities has been in our

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Speaker 6: communities and we've been patiently waiting for temporary housing.

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Speaker 2: The flood was clearly devastating, but what took me by

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Speaker 2: surprise was the way that Joe spoke about it as

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Speaker 6: The silver lining out of it is there's a focus

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Speaker 6: now on Fitzroy and it's really raised the overcrowding and

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Speaker 6: the struggles our communities had.

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Speaker 2: Federal and state governments who wanted to help with flood

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Speaker 2: relief needed to understand what the community wanted. So a

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Speaker 2: committee was set up. It included the five First Nation

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Speaker 2: groups with recognized traditional ownership in Fitzroy Crossing.

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Speaker 6: And then government started listening to us, both the state

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Speaker 6: and the Comwealth. And it's what we believe as native

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Speaker 6: title holders that we should be front and center of

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Speaker 2: One of the first things this committee did was ensure

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Speaker 2: that locals would be employed on rebuilding projects, both to

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Speaker 2: rebuild housing and the multimillion dollar project to rebuild the bridge.

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Speaker 4: We have thirty eight people working on the bridge.

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Speaker 2: Rene Dingo runs the local men shed and he was

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Speaker 2: a member of the committee.

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Speaker 7: And that would not have happened if we didn't have

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Speaker 7: an indigenous committee speaking directly to government, and government hearing

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Speaker 2: But not everybody we spoke to was quite so positive

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Speaker 5: My name's Bobby Bedford, and yeah, I live and work

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Speaker 5: woman born of my n Gidya as well from my grandfather.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Bedford is a young language teacher.

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Speaker 5: We did not get treated with as much care as

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Speaker 5: I think a non Indigenous town would have. Community came

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Speaker 5: forward with all of their concerns and none of them

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Speaker 5: were addressed. I was at those meetings and they said,

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Speaker 5: this is an issue culturally, this is an issue. Culturally,

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Speaker 5: this is an issue. So they just weren't heard and

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Speaker 5: there was no accountability for them to be heard anywhere.

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Speaker 2: This feeling of being ignored was a common theme in

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Speaker 3: We're supposed to have shared decision making, but that's not

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Speaker 3: what we see.

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Speaker 2: Emily Carter has lived in Fitzroy Crossing since nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 3: My mother's a gone Andy woman from this area, and

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Speaker 3: my father is a Gija man from the East Kimberly,

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Speaker 3: and both my parents were members of the Stolen generation.

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Speaker 3: So I moved to Fitzroy in nineteen ninety four to

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Speaker 2: Emily now runs the local Women Center in Fitzroad Crossing.

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Speaker 3: So our organization started in nineteen ninety four from women

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Speaker 3: in our community that were wanting a safe space for

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Speaker 3: women that were escaping family violence. So we started off

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Speaker 3: with a refuge and since then we've grown where we

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Speaker 3: have a reparands supports for our women and children, so

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Speaker 3: we have a legal unit. We also have counselors and

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Speaker 3: social workers that work with our women around their safety

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Speaker 3: plans in order for them to be able to go

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Speaker 2: Emily says government policies to curb violence are failing because

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Speaker 2: people in Canberra don't understand what's happening here on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Our outcomes is still determined by Canberra, by bureaucrats that's

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Speaker 3: down there that have no idea of the landscape in

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Speaker 3: which we live, or have any idea of the communities

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Speaker 3: in which we're servicing.

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Speaker 5: We have a problem with youth crime. Lots of rural

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Speaker 5: towns and cities have problems with youth crime. Well it's

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Speaker 5: not just us. But the crazy thing with that is

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Speaker 5: we actually don't have many youth programs to engage children

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Speaker 5: and to keep them engaged and you know, out of trouble,

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Speaker 5: whereas twenty years ago we did. There were more programs

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Speaker 5: for children and for kids twenty years ago, but they've

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Speaker 5: been defunded. The school system is failing our children, but

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Speaker 5: they're not doing anything to change that we're still being

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Speaker 5: treated as if our children are the issue and the problem,

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Speaker 5: and why aren't they going to school. It's like they

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Speaker 5: are probably like so many reasons they're not going to school,

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Speaker 5: but why aren't you asking them?

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Speaker 4: You know, the rates of suicide, the rights of unemployment,

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Speaker 4: the rates of poverty, the rights of mental health issues.

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Speaker 4: FIT Through Crossing is one of the leading centers in

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Speaker 4: the whole of Australia and if not the world.

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Speaker 2: Rene Dingo says, a lot of these problems in FITS

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Speaker 2: Crossing can start to change when the community gets hurt.

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Speaker 4: So this working group that's happening right now, they're making

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Speaker 4: positive change and it's starting to you can see the

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Speaker 4: social change that it has on people on their families

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Speaker 4: because the people that's working on the bridge or the

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Speaker 4: people that's working in housing right now, they're walking around

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Speaker 4: with you know, positive they're walking around with their head

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Speaker 4: held high because right now their role models for their

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Speaker 4: kids and their kids are looking up and they're saying,

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Speaker 4: you know, they see positive role models.

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Speaker 2: So far, I haven't even mentioned the Voice, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of the people we spoke to, people who've taken

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Speaker 2: on positions of community leadership in Fitzroy Crossing are supporting

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Speaker 2: the S case. They don't necessarily think a voice is

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Speaker 2: going to fix everything, but in a context where just

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Speaker 2: about everything else has failed, they say they're willing to

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Speaker 2: give it a go.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know that is just to give advice to government,

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Speaker 3: but it's better than what we have now.

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Speaker 2: This is Emily Carter again.

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Speaker 3: Our communities are voiceless, our children are voiceless, our women

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Speaker 3: are voiceless.

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Speaker 6: I think if we could have a direct say in

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Speaker 6: our future.

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Speaker 2: This is what about Elder Joe Ross against.

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Speaker 6: And a contribution. You know, that might end up being

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Speaker 6: thinned down to a single representative. But at least we're

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Speaker 6: having our say and we're in charge of our destiny.

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Speaker 2: But that is not a universal view here. I fits

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Speaker 2: for a Crossing, and we do hear pretty consistently that

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Speaker 2: there are lots of people who are leaning towards voting no,

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Speaker 2: either because they don't have any trust in government or

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Speaker 2: because they just don't see how the voice is going

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Speaker 2: to be relevant to them.

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Speaker 5: And I've had a lot of the oldies come up

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Speaker 5: to me and we're like, well I'm voting now, and

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Speaker 5: all of them, mostly it's all of them who's just like,

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Speaker 5: well I don't trust the government, why should I? And

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Speaker 5: I'm like fair point. One of them was one of

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Speaker 5: my grandmothers, and I love how to bear and she

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Speaker 5: was like, we'll just keep doing what we're doing. Why

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Speaker 5: do we need them to interfere with us?

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Speaker 2: This was also a sentiment that we encountered on the road.

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Speaker 2: So you reckon? What do you reckon about the referendum?

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Speaker 1: Ah, I'm thinking a lot more not why is that?

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Speaker 5: I don't know?

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Speaker 4: Politics are politics?

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Speaker 3: I really understand.

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Speaker 6: The discussion around the constitution is a really abstract concept

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Speaker 6: to say, are you in support of the voice being

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Speaker 6: you know, change the constitution being changed? And absolute abstract

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Speaker 6: question to people. It really should be about if a

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Speaker 6: direct voice to help and support for your communities is

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Speaker 6: you know option for you? Is that what you want?

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Speaker 5: But I think it's also that generation of blackfellows that

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Speaker 5: I'm speaking to. They really had the worst of it

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Speaker 5: and they're like, well, we've survived this long and like

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Speaker 5: we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: I have to admit I wasn't quite sure what to

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Speaker 2: expect in fits for a crossing, and I didn't know

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Speaker 2: how enthusiastic people would be to answer a bunch of

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Speaker 2: questions about the referendum to a journalist they'd never met before.

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Speaker 2: But instead, what I found is that people were really

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Speaker 2: enthusiastic to chat and what they all shared was a

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Speaker 2: frustration that the answers that they had at a community

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Speaker 2: level were not being heard by governments. And that's something

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Speaker 2: we've heard from just about everyone we've spoken to in

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Speaker 2: this series, from both the yes and no campaigns.

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Speaker 3: I got to say, there's not much difference between us.

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Speaker 4: This is why it's sad in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 4: because we're not that far apart.

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Speaker 2: That's no campaigner Warren Mundine you met on Monday.

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Speaker 5: Oh a great believe whether it's a yees or no.

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Speaker 6: The fifteenth of Okcober is when we roll our sleeves

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Speaker 6: up because we've got to we've got to move forward,

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Speaker 6: and we've got to do things that.

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Speaker 4: Improved the life of those people who are out there

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Speaker 4: in these situations.

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Speaker 8: Their reasoning for voting no is pretty much my reason

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Speaker 8: for voting yes.

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Speaker 2: This is Jade Richie, she's a Yes advocate.

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Speaker 8: If you don't trust government, then why would you not

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Speaker 8: want an independent advisory committee? Why would you not want

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Speaker 8: to stand up her committee? That is chosen by Indigenous people.

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Speaker 5: We can't keep thinking that someone else has the answers

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Speaker 5: for us, and we can't keep allowing them to pretend

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Speaker 5: like they have the answers for us, because they clearly don't.

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Speaker 3: Lastly, I just want to say, we're supposed to live

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Speaker 3: in a first world country and our people live in

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Speaker 3: fourth world conditions, and we talk about this place being

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Speaker 3: the lucky country. It's the lucky country for a few,

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Speaker 3: but not for Indigenous peoples.

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of our journey down

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Speaker 2: the road to the voice. Tomorrow, you'll hear an extended

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Speaker 2: chap between me and Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you heard today or you learned

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Speaker 1: something you didn't know, the best way you can show

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Speaker 1: you is support is by sending this to a friend

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Speaker 1: to keep the conversation going. This episode was written and

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Speaker 1: presented by Tom Crowley, produced by Joe Kylei, and edited

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Speaker 1: and mixed by Nina Copple. We'll be back with an

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Speaker 1: extended cut of Tom's interview with the Prime Minister Anthony

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Speaker 1: aulp Easy tomorrow. Until then, have a great day.