WEBVTT - Zachary Ruane and Breaker Morant 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.680 Get a Peter helly you here, Welcome to you ain't 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.080 seen nothing yet in the Movie Podcast, where our chat 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.520 to a movie lover, a better classic or beloved the 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.440 movie they haven't quite got around to watching until now. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:19.160 And today's guest from Artie Donna, comedian, actor, broadcaster creator 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:20.760 Zachary Ruwayne. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:27.640 Do you really think you have a chance against us? 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:28.560 Mister cowboy? 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:46.360 Open the pod bay doors. Hell, I'll have what she's. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:49.240 Happen happening right? 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:51.920 Do anything nothing here? 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.399 Zachary Rwayne is one third of the on stage component 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.520 of the comedy juggernaut Auntie Donna, who have been tearing 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.319 it up both on stage and online, where their viral 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.280 videos have, if not broken the Internet, then at least 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:24.240 cause significant ligament damage. They're always room for Christmas put 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.800 sketch when particularly bonkers, amassing millions of views around the world. 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:34.679 It has even been immortalized into a genuinely beautifully realized 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:38.040 Christmas book with illustrations by a friend of comedy artists, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:42.520 James Fosdyke. It's both hilarious and, like I said, rather 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:47.160 be guidlingly beautiful. Arnie Donna have their own podcast, their 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.720 own Netflix show. Arnie Donna's big old house of fun, 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.240 and I'm pretty sure they'll have their own fragrance out 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.279 very soon. Zach also shows old movies at the Lido 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.400 Cinemas in Melbourne, just for shits and giggles. Cerly, he 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.960 did jingle all the way. That's right, that Arnie classic. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.720 Zach is insanely talented, fun, hilarious, quite tall, and I'm 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:23.960 bloody stoked to be hanging with him today. Hi. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.080 My name is Zachary Rwayane. My three favorite films are 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.080 mulhulland Drive. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.560 Well, now here's a man who wants to get right 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:31.200 down to it. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.960 Chef. Is this boring to you? 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:34.040 No? 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:34.600 I like it? 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:35.320 Yeah? 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:40.359 Well I love it. Zoolander, good jack. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:41.880 You know a che anymore? 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:43.280 You could hurt yourself out there. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.320 But up until this morning, I had never seen break 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.120 a morand I understand unil. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.799 Mister Morant is something of a poet. Major that's right. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.040 He wrote for a paper called The Bullet. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:58.000 In vander Be. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.800 A tennison of the transfer, the byron of the bush. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:03.640 Doc Carmon is. 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.400 Why is it he's referred to as breaker Morant. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.519 Ladies man, perhaps a breaker of hearts. No, it was 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.239 a Horse Breaker. 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:14.919 I understand the best in Mustray. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.600 Adam quite a Renaissance figure. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.040 I dare say, if everything goes well, he could come 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.680 and recite for us one night. Yes, up until George 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.320 Miller rolled out Fury Road Bruce Beresford nineteen eighty Court 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:34.440 Marshall Ball War film Breaker Morant was my favorite Australian 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.960 film of all time, definitely my favorite Boar War film. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.720 The Bore War was a grubby, violent, nasty affair that 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.640 took place in late nineteenth century South Africa. Australians fought 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.960 far from home under the banner of the British Empire. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.320 It is here where we find three Ossie soldiers Harry 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:58.200 Breaker Morant, Edward Woodward Roguish, Peter Hancock, Brian Brown and 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.600 young George Winton. Lewis Fitzgerald, in his feature film debut, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.160 part of a crack group labeled the Bushvelt Carboneers, given 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.480 the mission the combat the Commando Bores. They then caught 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.320 Marshall for the execution of said Boar War Prisoners of 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:20.640 war rhymes when Moran's commanding officer and grow in law, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.920 Captain Hunt Terry Donovan is murdered, the Breaker is given 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.320 orders by Captain Taylor John waters On behalf of Lord 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.039 Kitchener or Sorry Believes. What follows is an examination of 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.560 how we view the job of soldiers when we put 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.479 them in these insane situations, the murkiness of war, the 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.599 trickiness of wartime legacy breaking. Moramp is not afraid to 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.120 pose difficult questions. The first Ossie film to win the 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.160 Palm d'Or at the carn Film Festival, as well as 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.760 Best Supporting Actor for Jack Thompson playing Major J. F. Thomas, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.960 the Aussie lawyer, brought in under the belief he would 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.560 be overwhelmed. Obviously Dennis Denudo was unavailable. He also won 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.680 ten A fives, becoming the first film to get into 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.400 all digit dubs. It's one of the great courtroom dramas 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:08.920 of all time. Zachary Rwan are you here under orders? 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.560 Oh wow, that's a great That's a great way to 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:19.240 throw what a heavy film. I was like, Yeah, this 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.400 will be fun, this will be fun. I'm still you know, 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.400 I'm still newish to comedy and I've only ever really 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:31.560 done sketch, so the ability to jump from funny to 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.960 talking about war crime is not one I'm great and 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.400 jumping around on. So we're going to see how much 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.600 of an emotional rollercoas to this podcast is make. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:46.440 Through this episode with that can cancel because it is. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:50.760 It's a tricky it's a tricky film. And thank you 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.599 you are you are currently in post production on the 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.840 new Uni Donner comedy series, which we're very excited about. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.080 So thank you for being here making the time. Oh 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.680 not at all, thank you hopefully you you know. So 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:05.920 I'm basically putting that out there, so if you do 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.840 say something outrageous, it's under the guys, you're tired. You're 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:11.800 beating the other of sweet. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.200 I'm a tied boy, tired boy. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:20.000 But yes, you had you are a film nuffy. Yeah, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.920 and you gave me a bunch of films that you 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.880 haven't seen. Some people are almost where it is a 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.919 badge of honor that there's almost no films that they 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.600 haven't seen. Yeah, but I always always I watch a 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.479 lot of films, and there's so many films I still 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:33.920 haven't seen. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.720 It it's a never ending list, you know, you keep 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.240 I remember I did a thing maybe four years ago 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.240 where I was like, I'm just gonna just gonna watch 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.039 them all, you know, all the ones on the list 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.080 exactly what this podcast I think I'm guessing was the 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.000 reason you did it. That was where it started. Yeah, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.039 and I just thought I'll just do it. And I 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.359 think I did about fifty films and I really knocked 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.599 off a few. Yeah, but there's still just outrageous films. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.440 I haven't seen any bloody making them. Mate. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.800 Oh and then people keep doing that like I made 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:04.800 an effort, Like I said, the last few years, I've 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.320 been trying to catch up. And then people are like, 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.479 have you seen this new film? And I'm like, come on, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.320 I'm at the eighties. I haven't watched the Goonies yet, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.440 you're asking me to watch The Green Night. Come on. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:21.200 He should have a very different conversation that we're about 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.960 to have. But let's we'll come back to Break of 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.240 Morn because it is. I have this weird kind of 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.320 connection with it in a way because I started doing 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.040 community radio after school. I went traveling for a bit, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.120 came back to community radio and did it with one 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.200 of the lovely spokes i've ever met, Tom Mulliner, whose 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:42.560 father Rod is in this film. He plays the prosecutor 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.240 in this film, with a very impressive stash. I got 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.240 to know Rod like he was a lovely guy and 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.080 very generous with his time. Met the producer Matt Carroll 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.960 and many years ago. So I've already seen the film 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.560 and loved it, but I was able to kind of 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.640 fanboy a little bit out on it with them. Let's 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.920 talk about your three favorite films, and you have gone 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.720 with David Lynch. One of my favorite day movies Malholan Drive. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.880 Yeah. I love that film so much. It's probably more 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.320 indicative as so much as I make comedy, it's more 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.200 indicative of the sort of stuff I love generally. I 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.000 love that kind of stuff, you know. But that was 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.800 the first film I think I'd ever seen that was 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.560 really properly like cooked, you know what I mean. Like, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.480 I think up until that point, I'd only really watch 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.960 pretty normal movies, and then I watched that film. When 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.800 I was too young to watch that film. I'm watching 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.880 it with my parents and they fast forward through the room. 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:37.440 There are some boobs. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.400 There are some boobs. Yeah, And I remember just like 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.840 getting it. I think I was like twelve thirteen, and 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.960 I was just like, I love this film, and my 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:46.880 dad hated it, and he was like, just what he 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.880 doesn't make any sense? I remember having this massive argument 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:52.920 with my dad, who works at a power station, just 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.520 being like Dad, it's abstract and I I just loved it. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.480 I love that idea that you don't have to go 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.440 a certain with a film. So it's always stuck with me. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.480 Yeah, it's funny that because I've always really tried to 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.520 get push my parents into watching interesting films, and it's 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.320 what we order. Anyone who particularly ends up getting into 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.600 the arts, you know, you look back and you got 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.920 to go, yeah, I did that. My nephew is you know, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.400 also interested in the arts and filmmaking and TV making 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.200 and and he, like a lot of people this year, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.839 loved the movie Everything everywhere or oh yeah, extraordinary film. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.960 Highly encourage you to go see it, but it's out there, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.600 like it's out there. He went over to my mum 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.319 and dads and they said, I want to sit down 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.960 and watch a movie with you, and he put it 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.120 on and they just did not They had no idea. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.480 Amazing, they were looking at what they look at. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.400 I love that he did it, you know, full full credit. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.240 But you gotta know your audience sometimes and sometimes you 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.240 just can't get people across. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.280 Those kinds of lines and there's no there's no point. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.280 I think that's what you realize when you get a 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.920 little older. You go, I like, it doesn't mean my 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:04.720 dad has to like it, do you know what I mean? 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.240 And I don't have to make them watch it. And 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.760 if anything, it's going to be a terrible experience for me, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.960 it's going to be a terrible experience for them. I 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.040 remember I watched Lost in Translation with my parents, who 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.960 got it from the video shop when it came out, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.200 and that movie doesn't have a lot of talking. There's 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.560 a lot of sort of like pregnant pauses and like 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.440 beautiful silences, and they would talk. They would have a 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.040 conversation every time, and I'd be like, tell them to 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.640 be quiet, they're not saying anything. I'm like, I don't 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:32.880 think it's that kind of movie. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:34.880 My mom would often get up to do like the 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.880 Washington stuff some mining. No it's not. I mean, I mean, 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:41.679 my mom'll being a bit of an asshole here. But 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.680 I was saying, do the ironing, and I'm not saying 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.360 I'll do the ironing later. You can do the ironing 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:47.280 at another time. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.160 We got to find out what is this relationship? No, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.280 don't go back, you're not meant to hear what they're whispering. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.520 Was that your entry point in the David Lynch was 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:58.400 that lot of thirst? I think? 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:59.520 Yeah, I'm not sure. 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.079 It's a first David Lynch movie I saw, but it 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.280 was the first one I kind of really loved, you know, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.000 I thought it was great. 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.600 Yeah, No, that definitely was because I watched Twin Peaks 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.839 on VHS after it. I remember I rented it out 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.839 and it was this really strange like they tried to 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.840 put all of season one onto two videotapes, and in 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.480 order to do that, they didn't put the pilot there. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.400 So the pilot was just a previously on Twin Peaks, 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.280 which is the best episode. I'll think. I just got 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.800 a previously on Twin Peaks and then I watched it 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.760 in one sitting back back in the mid two thousands. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.400 But yeah, no, that was the first time I ever 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.040 watched it was the first thing I think I'd ever 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.760 seen that was that yeah kind of vibe, you know 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:38.200 what I mean? 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.160 That impact your comedy choices after that, do you think? 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.439 Yeah, Because that's the thing about David Lynch. A lot 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.560 of people see how weird he is, and they see 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.520 how kind of out there he is. But I think 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.680 and I think the three things I don't seen David 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.559 Lynchall that doesn't get talked about much is one, he's 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.840 a great horror director, like their sequences. There's one in 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.760 mulhulland Drive where he goes where they have it, there's 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.720 a witch behind the diner, and it's one of the 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:11.520 greatest horror sequences. It's so full on. The Other thing 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.400 is how tragic he is. I think he tells really beautiful, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.400 tragic stories. And then thirdly, I think is how funny 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.400 is I think most of what he does is meant 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:22.200 to be funny, and I think he thinks a lot 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:23.960 of what he does is funny, and I find it 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.080 really funny. And then I think a lot of people 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.880 are like, oh, that's weird, and it's like, no, yeah, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.959 but it's funny. So I definitely am always trying to 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.880 get that stuff into everything I do, and then to 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.440 varying degrees, because sometimes it's just like Zach, that is 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.160 just weird, like there's nothing funny about that. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.680 I just have this image of Zach and David Lynch 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.199 watching mulhulland Drive with your parents and then you two 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.480 is cracking up and your parents is not getting it. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.120 I still don't understand this, but I'm everything everywhere all once. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:03.280 Please talk about Chef. So is the Bradley Cooper or 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.000 just no, this is John. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.320 Favro, John Favreaux over, Yes, yeah, John Favreaux, John Leguizamo, Yeah, no, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.720 I love This is my comfort movie. Yes, this is 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.800 my It's and I think that's the thing when you 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.160 do comedy. Comedy used to be my comfort thing, you know. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.440 It used to be that i'd watch a sitcomra i'd 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.000 watch stand up. But now because I do it, I'm 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.960 always analyzing it. The kind of thing I watch for 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.280 comfort is either really boring YouTube videos or like a 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:34.920 type of drama that's so easy it's like comedy. And 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.679 that's where Chef falls into perfectly. Like it's just like 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.000 there's some tension for the first twenty minutes and then 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.840 it's just the rest of the movie is him working 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:44.480 his stuff out. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:44.720 You know. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:50.160 Really it's really fun and the food looks amazing. Yeah, 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.080 this is a nice little you know, is this this 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.840 thing happening now? It's probably able to have longer than 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.840 I realized. But where because we've got all these shows, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.720 people watch where there's all these food shows where foodies 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.079 will watch all this travel shows where you know, people 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.400 love the travel watch. And now I think shows are 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.640 getting really good incorporating those things. You know, if it's 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.480 about food, make the food look. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:13.320 Yeah. 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.520 If you're in a I'm watching White Lotus at the 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.600 moment of the second series, yeah, and you know that. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.200 I mean, it just makes you want to go to 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.320 Sicily outside of all the other weird stuff that's going 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.160 on in that show. But it's just like, yeah, you 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.480 are making Sisily look beautiful. And John Favre does a 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.840 great job with this, making this kind of this food 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:31.720 look amazing. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:33.720 It's the best movie to watch if you're ever on 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.120 an international flight, if that's the way your brain goes, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.920 because it just is like, remember there is good food 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.680 at the flight as you're eating your little international flight food. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.440 I don't know, maybe it's like a sort of a 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.640 Sado Massacrest thing to be watching it, but I love 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.560 watching it on planes for exactly that reason. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.280 And I love that John Fevrc kind of made this 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.880 between like making basically Marvel movies, was like he was 0:14:56.120 --> 0:15:01.080 the little little gift to himself and this passion project 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:01.600 that he had. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.440 Have you ever heard the thing that, like the story 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.000 is about. There's this sort of layer with that film. 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:09.560 I don't know if it's ever been said or if 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.760 I've just decided this, but that film is about the 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.080 making of the film. Have you ever heard this kind 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.440 of thing? Because the whole the whole thing is him 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.360 being thought he's a chef at a really big restaurant 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.000 and he's being forced to do things a certain way. 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.160 He doesn't want to do it that way, and then 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.040 the critics attack him personally, and then in the end 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.840 he goes, you know what, I'm just gonna go to 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.120 my friend Robert Downey Jr. I'm going to get a 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:34.960 food truck from him. I'm going to do what I 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:36.680 want on a low budget and it will make me 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.160 feel happy again. And when you look at his career, 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.800 he'd just done Iron Man two, which clearly had been 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.880 forced to do it a certain way. Critics tore it apart, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.240 and then he was like, you know what, I'm going 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.920 to go to my friend Robert Downey Junior. I'm going 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.240 to make chef. The movie is about it make the 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:52.120 making of itself. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.000 I think in a lot of ways that is that's 0:15:55.080 --> 0:16:00.240 really cool. It's Scully Your Hands and doesn't Hoffman so Megara, Yeah, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.160 Oliver Platt. It's an incredible film. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.280 It's also Sophia Vigara and Scarlet your Hands and have 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.040 both been in relationships with Jean Favreaux, who wrote and 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.800 directed the film, which I think is very funny, just 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:21.000 writing and director film, just someone sitting him down and 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.040 being like, do you think maybe Scarlett your hands in? 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.760 And Sophia Vigara fighting over you as a little. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:31.800 It's you do wonder there's that conversation ever happened? I 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.120 have no idea. I'm not across his his marital status, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:44.080 but even even the wife, it's going. Listen, what about 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:52.920 Patricia Heaton from great film Zoolander? Yeah, great film, it's 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:53.880 one of the great comedies. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.320 Yeah, it's just funny. It's really funny, and I think, 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.960 like I feel like it important as a comedian. Sometimes 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.359 when you do comedy, you forget to put comedy in 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.679 your references, when you do podcasts like this, because you're like, oh, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.480 actually I like serious films that well, clearly I like 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.800 comedy as well, and I just I love this film. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.280 I love how unapologetically stupid it is. I think sometimes 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.280 people try to get too clever with comedy, and this 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.120 is one of the best examples of just it's stupid 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:21.200 from start to finish. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.040 Well, we I think silliness is an underrated quality and 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:33.240 one donna Is become brilliant proponents of silliness and Zoolander 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.560 is it's and it becomes when when you just embraced silliness, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.760 it's it's joyous as well. Yeah, well, because there is 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.320 a part of you, there's parks, parks, certain parts of 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.440 your brain over the side, and it's like a little 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.960 holiday exactly. Yeah, we're not, you know, but even though 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.200 you're still get emotionally involved with the characters like that, 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.639 all the story beats are still there. I mean that 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.120 you know that I'm a man exactly. Yeah. 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.280 It's a great, well structured film. I think it's like 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.480 an hour and a half. It's so tight and it's 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.520 just joke joke, Joe. It's so easy to watch. It 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.159 doesn't ask anything of you other than to laugh. I 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:13.560 love that film so much. 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.359 It's one of the first films where I saw Will 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.720 Ferrell and oh this guy is amazing. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.320 There's a bit, there's a really famous bit in that 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.720 film where he goes, you know where Will Farrell presents 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.000 like the model of the school to him, and then 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.439 Zeeland is like, what is this the Center France? And 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.280 he throws it away, and a lot of people say, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.040 what is this the center France? Is their favorite line? 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.200 And then it needs to be at least three times 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.760 bigger they say that's their favorite line. My favorite line 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.680 in the entire film is Will Farrell's line immediately after 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:53.200 it where he's just like, he's absolutely right, It's just amazing. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:54.600 It's just a perfect life. 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:01.720 David Bowie's in that film. You know, Billy Zay, you 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.000 know David Bowie. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.280 David Bowie seems like the coolest guy in the world. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.800 Like have you seen that video of him not predicting 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:09.320 the Internet? 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.600 Yes, yeah, I love that. I love that video and 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.680 it's so right on, like it's so perfect, Like. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.480 I'm pretty sure he actually says Twitter and YouTube and 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.119 that's the whole thing. Just a longer clip. You may 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.960 not have seen it. No, yeah, he does the whole thing. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:28.920 My great three films arrange of experiences there, Melholan, Josh 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.359 Chef and Zoolander. But let's talk about the film. We 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.280 are here to talk about it. We are shifting gears. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.480 Let's go to nineteen eighty, Like I said, The Palm 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.879 dr Winner, directed by Bruce Beresford and starring a wealth 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:46.399 of Ozzie talent from Jack Thompson, John Waters, Brian Brown, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:54.679 Charles bud Tingwell, Terrence Donovan, Olf, Bloody Stewart. O you 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.719 before I ask you if you enjoyed the film, that's 0:19:57.760 --> 0:19:59.360 the next question, but I will ask you, did you 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.360 Have you ever seen Elf Stewart out of Home? 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.680 Some of them no, no, So it was so strange. 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.400 I think the only time I've ever the only experience 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.480 I have of Elf Stewart is I was a neighbor's kid, right, 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.520 so I didn't really watch much Home and Away. So 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:17.440 it's a little bit of home and Away. And then 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.440 a few weeks ago I was in an UBER and 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.600 they were doing an interview on Kyle and Jackie Oh, 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.919 the Uber players Kyle, and he was on Kyle and 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:26.560 the Jackie Oh, and I think he was struggling with 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:31.040 the pace of commercial radio. And then to see him 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.200 in this like real fancy movie, I was like, my goodness, 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.760 and he was young and hungry and like oh. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.760 Yeah, and and he was like, you know, he was. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.960 He was like, you know, I don't mean a patronizing, 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.399 a proper fucking actor like it was in all those 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.000 movies and you know those you know, late seventies movies 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.439 and before before he arrived in Home and Away to 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.280 get the role of a lifetime. Really the role that 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:57.800 for an actor to play over that many years is amazing. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.880 But he was, Yeah, he was doing the hard yard. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.760 And it's funny. The first logos Rove and I went 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.240 to it might be rove second logos is my first one. 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.160 All we wanted to do was find him and take 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.440 a photo, and we took a photo of him telling 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.639 us off. Oh great, like naughty kids yelling at us, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.720 and it's one of my favorite photos of all time. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.200 Great man, But did you did you enjoy break them around? 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:22.560 Oh? 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.439 Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I thought it was fantastic. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.800 I yeah. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.520 And I just want to say this right off the top, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.159 that this podcast is about people who have just seen 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.120 a movie, Like literally, you have seen this hours. 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:38.960 Ago, hours ago, So this. 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.200 There's always a time to process. He had. Josh Lawson 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.480 did the Last Picture Show recently, and I think, to 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.800 be honest, he felt differently about the movie at the 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:51.919 end of that episode than he perhaps did at the 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.600 start of it, because you very rarely this might love 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.119 about this podcast. We watch a film these days and 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.000 then have an intensive conversation about Yeah, he's eating around 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.720 horridors and you know, over a beer maybe you know, 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:05.520 maybe weeks or months later, who knows. So you were 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.520 jumping right in to a movie that is there's a 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:10.200 lot to discuss. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.000 Yeah, it's a very complex film, and I think that's 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.399 there was this moment early on where I thought, is 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.320 this just going to be played at one level? Is 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.320 this going to be sort of a reflection I guess 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.160 not even of its time, but of the time it's 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.440 set in. And then you just start to see these 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.560 layers and it gets more and more complex, and it 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:31.600 just it reminded me of how just complex characters can be, 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:36.440 and how there's just very little. There's not good, good 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.560 guys bad guys in this film by any stretch of 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.560 the imagination. It's just a really murky, dark film, and 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.720 I loved that for it. I thought it was so 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.439 much more complex than I was expecting it to be. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.719 Yeah, and it is based on a true story, so 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:54.040 they do these are real characters and it's based in 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:59.159 the Second Boer War, and so they do have a 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.080 guide to go in break him around. Has become a 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.639 really controversial figure because like we'd like to do with 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.520 Ned Kelly being the most famous, and we like to 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.840 kind of glamorize, and particularly if it's if it's one 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.840 of us versus the English or one of us, you know, 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:17.160 like and but it's a really murky issue. And more 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.040 recently we have had this thing in Australia with you know, 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:24.840 soldiers from Afghanistan and facing trial for things they've done 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.119 during where it's like this is this is this is 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.800 almost very still very relevant. How do we judge the 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.240 actions of soldiers we send? And these were like you 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.920 got Hancock, the Hancock character who is basically running from poverty, 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.800 like he's not even how much training he would to 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:47.879 receive would have been reasonly minimal. He's not a career soldier. 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.119 He's been putting this insane situation. Now they could and 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.320 the first time I've watched it, when I was a teenager, 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.560 I was all pro, completely pro the Aussies and like 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.560 pro you know, like I didn't see I didn't see 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.840 the nuance yeah, yeah, yeah, but they actually know they 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:10.600 are actually executing people, you know, like and and court, 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:15.760 you know, prisoners of war that happens to on the 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:17.920 other side of us. We kind of we have a 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.800 dim view of that. But when there was is it's 0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.480 all so it's and and that's not even to kind 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.040 of like get too much into because it's about breaking 0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:33.919 around that. I'm obviously I don't know, but it's a 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:40.240 fascinating examination of how we do. Like this all comes 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.840 down to was there an order given? My Lord Kitchener. 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:54.560 Now we see Colonel John Water's character he he he 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.600 says avenge Captain Hunt after and hunt he is not 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.240 only brutally murdered, so you kind of go, yeah, well, 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.520 they brutally murdered a soldier, So go do your thing 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:08.560 like you're a soldier. Yeah, I think they say that, 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.680 aren't soldiers supposed to? Yeah, all the opposition. Yeah, yeah, 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:14.000 that's kind of the point. 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.239 It's a very tough one, and I think that's what 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.560 I loved about it. It's something I think a lot 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:22.080 about with films is I have a lot of friends 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.360 that when they watch a movie, they'll make a decision 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.280 on it really early on. I'll sort of see them 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.000 as I'm sitting next and they'll go that person's bad and 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:30.760 that person's good. And it's something that we do a 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.040 lot now where we just jumped straight on it, and 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.879 I think, like, and it's hard to say how I 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:39.240 would have viewed it in you know, in the early eighties, 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:43.800 but there's an element with this movie where I feel like, 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.159 as I first watched it, it feels like it's positioning 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:51.439 these characters just as victims of colonial Britain and just 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:55.800 as good people that have gotten into a bad situation. 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.399 And that kind of broadly is what the plot is saying. 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.080 But then there's just moments, particular kularly with the Third 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.879 Crime with the the Minister, Yeah, where you just and 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.720 I don't think anyone in the making of it is 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.359 trying to excuse them for doing what they've done. It's 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:15.280 really crook and it's really wrong, and it's really hard 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.600 to stomach and hard to even with the oh they 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.879 were given orders, even with it's like, oh, that's a 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.000 really crook thing they've done, and it's it's it's I 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.600 love that complexity and I love that grayness, because that's 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.240 what war is. I think in a lot of ways. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.280 And you have other soldiers including Elf Stuart calling Elf 0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.960 Stewart during this, you know, and Chris Haywood, who they 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.159 actually speak up, but then they're not they're not portrayed 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.520 as sympathetic. Yeah, almost betrayed as like, hang on, you're 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.920 you're doing your mate in here. Yeah, even though all 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.840 they were saying is like, no, we should have They 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.000 were following their own I guess code of ethics, and 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.920 were they because they maybe hadn't seen the order or 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.320 hadn't heard the order because this order was kind of 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.159 given to one person from another person on behalf of 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.560 another person. Yeah, that's the murkiness of war. How do 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:06.240 you you know, like break him around. Possibly thinks he's 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.560 doing the right thing because he's heard that he's heard 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:09.000 that order. 0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:09.520 Yeah. 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.280 So he's also you know, in a rage because he's 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.160 his best mate, has been and he's seen the horrors 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:20.200 of war in the firsthand, the mutilation of Captain Hunt. 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.719 He wants revenge. He wants revenge. 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:25.359 Yeah. It's just a really tough one and I do 0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.199 love I think I love that it plays to the 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.560 complexity of it. I think it's the other thing I 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.240 really realized as I was watching it, I just I 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:39.240 had this realization. I've been thinking a lot about Vietnam, like, 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:43.719 particularly how Vietnam. We think of it as being different 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:45.440 to the other wars. It was the one where things 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.120 got dirty and things got gray and things got murky. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:50.480 And then the more I think about it, and the 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.240 more I learn about other wars, and the more I 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.000 watch films about war, the more I realized, No, it's 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.200 just that Vietnam was the first one with cameras there. 0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.440 It was the first one that captured the grayness, and 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.159 watching that, I really thought of that, and then I realized, 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:05.000 you know, nineteen eighty it's not that long after Vietnam. 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.199 I think that's kind of still part of the conversation. 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.640 So I definitely think this is as much about even 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.200 though it's based on a true story set, then it's 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.800 as much about the time that it was made. It's 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.160 as much about now. It's like, I feel like we 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.560 have all these different kind of things that we say 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.040 and do and everything, but war was always the same, 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.360 Like every time you do war, it's always this kind 0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:29.760 of weird, kind of gross murkiness, you know. 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:34.000 And I think this film probably gets made because it's 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:38.600 in the shadows of Vietnam, and that probably gave it 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:45.200 then the I don't know, the inspiration is probably the 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.800 wrong word, but it was. It felt timely even though 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.920 it was the story was, you know, yeah, years old 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.200 by that stage. Let's have a listen. Let's let's dive 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:57.719 into some of that murkiness of war. This is this 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.640 is Terry Donovan playing Captain Hunt and uh with breaking 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:07.360 around with the explanation that the gentleman's war is over. 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.800 Go well, Harry, not bad, one dead, one wounded. 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:16.160 Hand you about thirty of. 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.080 Them kept up on them while they were asleep. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:28.080 This this was surrendered. God, Harry got no facilities for prisons, 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.120 can't even feed them, tail. 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:37.800 Execute as men Je's mith ding Gate Sirie. 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.760 You do great, Donald Nichols. 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.520 One is what will you go better through? 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:45.640 Better troop? 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:54.800 Yet up, get up, Simon. I thought the proclamation only 0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.680 applied to boors caught wearing British shaky. 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.240 New orders from kitchen them okay, doanel. 0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.080 Hamilton's confirmed it to me himself. 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.240 No prisoners. The Gentleman's war is over them. 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.040 Here break your teeth on this. 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.000 So it's not just the Taylor who has given it 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.360 all later on, but it's also Captain Hunt and so 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:22.240 I mean it's it's so it's so perplexed because you've 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:27.959 got you know, and you do feel how do you 0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.920 how do we, even years and years and years later, 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.920 or the returning soldiers now in Afghanistan, where do we 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.239 draw the line for a situation that we have no 0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:40.440 concept of? Really? 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.600 Yeah? Yeah, And I think as well, it's the thing 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:45.640 you realize as well, is the And I think that 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.600 scene in particular is so powerful because it's the it's 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.520 the structures that are in place. Even if someone disagrees 0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.400 all the way up the line, there's not really and 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.680 you watch you watch news reports about like long form 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.240 journalism about war now, and it's the same thing where 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:06.480 it's the level to which an individual has to push 0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.760 back against those structures that you've got people in offices 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.360 probably back in Australia or back in England making these 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:17.040 decisions that trickle down and it's like it's the it's 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.120 these structures that I think this film questions really well, 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:20.440 you know. 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:26.120 Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Let's also have let's keep wrong with 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.880 another clip because a lot of it comes down to 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:33.840 the fact that there was no judicial process given to 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.760 the Bore soldiers that they should have they should have 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.400 had the chance to do a face trial, and this, 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.560 I guess a version of a kangaroo court took place. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:51.280 And this is the prosecutor played by Rod Mulama, and 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:55.920 he's and his explanation that this wasn't actually a court. 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.760 Well, I would like to add that I've been generously 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.760 using the word trial, court martial and relationship killing of bitter. 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:05.400 It was a conspiracy, it was a consultation. 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.080 It was a measure to mature a criminal purpose. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.880 But it was not a court. There's two in a way. 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.880 There's not a court case going on there, there's no 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.440 judicial process, but the judicial process that is going on 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:23.280 is also very weird and ramshackle and improper. In fact, 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.440 this was the last after this court case is court martial, 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.600 Australia decided that it would no longer have Australians be 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.000 allowed to be court martial under the British government. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.840 Wow that makes sense. Yeah, It's it's such an interesting 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.680 thing as well, isn't it, Because I think there was 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.520 there was a lot of questioning at that time of 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.640 I guess it's like Australian identity and ANZACs and the 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.800 British Empire, and this film I think captures so well 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.200 this idea that we like so many of these wars 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.280 and battles that are so iconic. Now we're all fought. 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.479 They weren't fought for Australia, they were fought for England. 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.920 They just sort of sent off, you know, Turkey and 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.680 Australia have nothing to do with it, you know what 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.040 I mean? And I think this really captured that that, 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.920 like why are they in a British court martial? Why 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:18.000 are they fighting Dutch South African wars? Like why is 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.440 this even happening? You know, It's such a weird kind 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:21.480 of thing. 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.480 You know, I'd never when I watched this as a 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.479 late teenager, I had never heard of the Boar War. 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.360 This is my first introduction to it. A alone that 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.560 there was a second one. It was a sequel. 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.640 So many bour Wars, too many Bore Wars. 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:41.840 Talk about a Boar but it is. Let's talk about 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.920 some of the performances uniformly. I think, really really great. 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.560 Edward Wood would Did you know much about Edward wood Wood? No? No? 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:51.640 So? Who was so? 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:51.720 So? 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.400 He was breaking morants? Yeah, And I knew Edward Wood 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.920 would even before I saw the movie, because he was 0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:02.640 on the US TV series The Original Equalizer Denzel Washington remade, 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.160 and I love that shot. He would just be a 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:07.800 guy who had a set of skills and he would 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.480 so he was the equals He was the Equalizer. 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:11.120 Wow. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.200 Yeah, they went with a different choice of Denzel. They 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.719 went like because because Denzel strong, and you know, he's 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.880 big and imposing. You know, where where Edward Wood was 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.200 it feels small and you know and kind of like 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.759 your granddad in the way partly you know, this is 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.919 in the eighties, But I used to love that show, 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:36.200 so I knew. I knew Edward Wood would. But he's 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.560 he's just really good and he believes this was the 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:41.360 finest performance of his career. 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.920 Don't blame him. It was so good that across the 0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.120 board everyone played it so well. But yeah, he was 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:49.759 so fantastic in it. The way that scene you just 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:54.319 played to ago where where he talks about you know, 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.080 this is a different kind of war. He's so good 0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.520 in it because there's this like you can see sort 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.400 of clock ticking in his brain. You can see the 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.879 gears going and trying to figure out what the right 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.040 thing to do is even though it's kind of out 0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.200 of his control in that sequence, he plays it so beautiful. 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.000 And I think he knows how the hierarchy works, Yeah, 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.160 and how the rules. He is committed to the rules 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.960 of war. But you do see this little tiny flinches 0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:24.880 of self doubt perhaps, Yeah, which is it's incredible to achieve. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.040 And yeah, there's that scene later on when there when 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:31.399 they're waiting the verdict and he's getting drunk and he's 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:36.080 retuting poetry. This thing, it's really beautifully done. And then 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.319 John Waters gives him the option to get away. We 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.080 can have a horse waiting for you. And and this 0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.360 is Look, he's gone from being this kind of almost jovial, 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.960 you know, and where a bit jovial because we believe 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:54.680 that maybe there's two jurors who are becoming sympathetic sense 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.839 Champagne along. And then he gets taken aside and goes, no, 0:35:57.920 --> 0:35:59.759 this is it won't happen. It won't happen. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:01.480 That line what does he say, where he goes, you 0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.359 can see the world and he goes, I've already already. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.960 Oh my god, I love that line. And then and 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.440 then he says, you know when you're when you need 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.000 a stiff brandy to jump on a you know, a 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.480 wild rumbry or something, then it's probably time. 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.880 You know, it's it's there's something about the Yeah, this 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.080 is the other thing I find because I've done a 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.400 bit of acting in my little comedy shows. 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:30.160 Actually I met a pot of this earlier that Annie Donnah. 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.640 You guys met at Uni with the mission. You're on 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.840 your way and trying to become like I say, proper 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:42.560 actice a proper actor now, but you are dramatic actors. 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.360 Yeah, one hundred percent. We were like all legit. We 0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:49.480 wore a little black tracksuit pants and all black t 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.560 shirts and walked around him and tried to grow as 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.120 much facial hair as we could at nineteen, and we 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.839 were proper actors. We really wanted to do that. And 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:00.400 Auntie Donald when we first formed, was always just a 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.120 side project until you. 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:04.800 Know, yeah it happened. 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.400 It happened, and just you know, and someone was like, 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:12.399 excuse me, get on over onto my tally show, get 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.160 on over, we want to make movies with you. Yeah, 0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.160 so we were all legit and like I used to 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.960 direct theater and yeah, we're all and yeah, one hundred percent. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.759 We're very serious little people. 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:26.680 Very serious little people. 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:29.879 And that was the thing. That's the thing I think 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:32.440 that you know, you do a bit of acting, and 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:35.279 you do a bit of stuff because you've done acting 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.800 as well, you're an actor yourself. And what I find 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:43.120 mind blowing. The thing I cannot like comprehend at all 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.239 is when someone doesn't arc in a story, like when 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:52.280 someone when you see a character sort of become something 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.040 change over the course of the story because films and 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.640 TV is not shot in order usually, and his performance 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.160 is so good, you see him kind of losing his 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.480 humanity throughout the performance, and so he would have done 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:06.759 that on different days. How do you know, like how 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.240 much of my humanity had I lost? Have I lost 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.400 at this point in this scene? Like did you have 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.120 a little post it notes? I don't know. Like it's 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.360 quite mind blowing as a performance when you really like 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:17.479 dig into it, you know. 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.080 It's phenomenal. Let's have a listen to what perhaps one 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.400 of the most famous scenes when I feel for me. 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.720 This is one of it because this happens reasonably early 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:29.040 in the film, when he is put on the stand 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.680 and he's questioned about did this court case happen? Did it? 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.600 Did it look like this? And he gives a wonderful performance. 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.719 It is customary during the war because as many of 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:41.920 the enemy as possible, And was your court at the 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.960 trial of the constituted in any way like this? 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:44.759 What rule? 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.120 Did you shoot him under like this? 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:48.200 I know so. 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.719 No, it wasn't quite like this. No, no, no, sorry, 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.799 it wasn't quite so handsome. And as for rules, we 0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.040 didn't care when military manuals around with us. We were 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.440 out on the belt fighting the ball the way he 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.880 fought up. I told you what rule we applied. We 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:08.200 applied rule three oh three. We caught them and we 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.560 shot them on the rule three oh three. 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:18.759 So rule three or three refers to the cartridges that 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:22.160 the British Army use. So in that in that they 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.680 go to a close up of the guns being shot 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.440 and it pans down. It's a beautiful little shot. Directing 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:31.560 is amazing and this is is incredible and you see 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.160 the three or three kind of carved into the side 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.959 of the guns. Yeah, the rifles. It's it's incredible. Jack 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:42.960 Thompson wins Best Supporting Actor for his role as Major J. F. 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:44.480 Thomas in this. 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:49.760 Jack Thompson man I watched I watched Wake in Freight recently. 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:50.480 Oh my god. 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.160 So I'm going through a bit of a trainer because 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:56.080 I if of all the gaps in film knowledge I have, 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.480 I think Australian film is one I'm those sort of 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:00.880 not ashamed of, but I you know, I feel like 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.279 I want to have seen the films that we did 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.960 alright with overseas. And I watch he's so good. Yeah, 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.120 he's so good at acting. 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.640 Yes, the hot takes hot takes right here. 0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.960 But it's also just, you know, it's so hard with 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:21.399 this kind of like it's very heightened language, even though 0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.319 it plays naturalism, it's tightaned language. It's from a different time. 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.879 All the characters are really kind of formal, like even 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.520 the Australian accent at that point in time hadn't fully formed. Yeah, 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:37.080 and the way he kind of finds something that I 0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:41.279 can recognize in that performance, and he finds that Australian 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:47.160 kind of personality and character in a performance as that 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.040 kind of accent and cultural identity was still formed. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:55.799 It's so good and that role we've seen and I'm 0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:57.879 not sure the genesis of it. I'm not sure there's 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.600 other I'm sure there's probably other law is that maybe 0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.560 we're underprepared or kind of is so like he plays 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.040 it because there's a there's a version of this where 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.080 he is Denniston Udo from the Castle and he just 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:09.759 kind of comes in he's bumbling from the stuff, but 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:11.640 he actually kind of comes in reasonably hot and kind 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.160 of like no. He commands the room and he kind 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.759 of says, this is serious, you know, And then we 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.800 find out that he's never actually done a trial before. 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:28.480 There's land conveysing and wills that he doesn't do these 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.640 kinds of cases. But he does have an air of confidence. 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.880 It's only when they walk in the next morning to 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.000 the courtroom where they do a little bit of the 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.520 shuffling of the papers and he's trying to kind of 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:41.840 catch up, which is understandable because apparently he only got 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.279 the case a couple of days ago, he landed in 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:48.680 Petersburg that morning or whatever, So yeah, they could have 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.920 really I find it interesting the way they play with 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:57.480 his confidence, but also I guess his lack of experience. 0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.759 And that's exactly right. It's this there's other characters that 0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:02.920 have kind of a journey, but he's someone that comes 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.960 in exactly that he comes in fully formed, he's confident, 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:09.000 he knows what his role is, he knows what he 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.120 has to do. He's really good at this. He just 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.480 lacks the experience. And that's such a hard thing to 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:16.080 get right, like to shuffle the papers, but then be 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.759 good on your feet like it's such a and he 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.720 pulls it off amazingly. 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.279 Like he's so good. Let's this is obviously jumping a 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:28.520 little bit. Let's listen to his closing argument. We obviously 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.120 can't play all of it. It's one of the great 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:35.120 courtroom speeches of anywhere in the world. Put the cinema. 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:41.760 The fact of the matter is that war changes men's natures. 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:50.399 The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men. 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.880 The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:03.839 by normal men in abnormal situations, situations in which the 0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:09.040 ebb and flow of everyday life have departed and have 0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:15.200 been replaced by a constant round fear and anger, blood 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:23.280 and death. Soldiers at war are not to be judged 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:33.840 by civilian rules, as the prosecution is attempting to do, 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:43.520 even though they commit acts which calmly viewed afterwards, could 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:51.480 only be seen as unchristian and brutal. And if in 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:55.920 every war, particularly guerrilla war, all the men who committed 0:43:55.960 --> 0:44:02.160 reprisals were to be charged and tried as murderers, court 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:07.720 martials like this one would be in permanent session, would 0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:19.560 they not. I say that we cannot hope to judge 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:27.080 such matters unless we ourselves have been submitted to the 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.000 same pressures, the same provocations. 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:33.200 As these men. 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:36.840 These actions are on trial. 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:46.800 I mean, it's it's beautifully performed, and it just also 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.520 is exactly what the movie is about. Yeah, it is 0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:55.239 how do we judge these young, you know, men and 0:44:55.400 --> 0:45:01.120 sometimes women who go to war and are putting it 0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.600 in an insane situation? And obviously there does need to 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.759 be a line somewhere. Yeah, it needs to be a line. 0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.080 You know, we obviously, but where is that line? Who 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:11.440 judges where that line is? 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:16.040 Yeah? And it's like almost the like the barbarity of war. 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.600 I think that's what this film plays with so much, 0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:21.080 is the idea of you know, when you do when 0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.600 you fight a war like this, or when you fight 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.359 a war full stop, you've already crossed the line. There's 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.799 almost this the line has already been crossed. And then 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.040 we try to keep these ideas of civility to get 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:35.400 a bit like heavy about it. But it's like we 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.719 we send young people off to die sometimes for kind 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.239 of really pointless reasons, and then we say, oh no, no, no, 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.839 the line was here, not there. It was like, well, us, 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.080 maybe us as a society sending those young people over 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.920 there to die, we cross the line, and maybe we 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.440 need to look into you know, I think that the 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:54.600 film questions that I. 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:59.880 Think really beautifully absolutely Brian Brown is so important in 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:04.279 this role. He plays Peter Hancock, Lieutenant Peter Hancock, and 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:07.359 he gives it levity in a movie that you would 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:11.480 not expect there to be any levity, and he just 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.120 he's got some just cracking lines in some of his 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:20.520 interjections with the witnesses are just brilliant. Yeah, this just 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:24.919 seems like really dark gallows literally almost gallows humor, where yeah, 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:28.479 they're they're building the coffins next door on the wall 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.320 on the other side, they can actually hear their coffins 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.960 being built. And you know, I think he says they 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:38.239 could have measured us first, and I think break them 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:41.120 around says, well, I don't imagine they've had many complaints, 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:46.080 There's all these lovel lines, but he he's a really 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:47.440 enjoyable presence in this. 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.319 Yeah, yeah, totally. I think I loved as well, just 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:54.160 like his little almost Benny Hill moment like where were 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.600 you when this like war crime happened? And then it's 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.239 just this little like Benny Hill sequence where he's like 0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:03.280 sleeping with all. I'm like, yeah, let's get that intact. 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.320 Three guys come on. That was fantastic. 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.600 There are some moments when the particularly with the English, 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.000 you know, the people putting them on trial, so you 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.680 got you know, it's a Lord Kitchener and the prosecutor 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:17.640 and Bud Tingwell, who's it's actually got a funny watching 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.200 it knowing these guys are Australian, yeah, and doing the 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:24.279 mustache twirling kind of English you know, the enemy thing. 0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:27.479 But there's there's there's there's some scenes that almost dip 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:31.600 into Monty Python. Yeah, remembecause Undy Python have maybe parody 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.120 this kind of time in history and this period of 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.920 history that your brain goes there a little bit. But 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.400 there were some times where it's like and there was 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:43.960 around that time where he's talking about I visited, and 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.880 it's like have you visited visited. You visited, What do 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.280 you mean visited? I visited and my visitor gets mentioned 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:53.400 like eight times in eight seconds. 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:53.799 Yeah. 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:54.799 Yeah, it's hilarious, and. 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.000 Just this idea that they're talking about like the most 0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.319 terrific things humans can do. But god forbid, they talk 0:48:00.360 --> 0:48:05.560 about sex. Oh my goodness, my vapors. 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.960 You know, it's so British. 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:08.840 It's great. 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:14.480 Yeah, they say Lieutenant Hancock's morality is not on trial here, 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:16.719 and Bud ting Well says, oh, I finally it was. 0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:20.280 It's fantastic. 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.320 There is a very funny moment. We doesn't not do 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.720 Brian Brown, but I just found them. It's not supposed 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.280 to be funny. But there's a bit where they're getting 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:31.360 the translated, the translate into Dutch, I guess, and he 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:33.560 wants to know his name. He goes, what's your name? 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:39.160 Please translate and that guy goes, what's your numb You 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:40.239 probably could have gotten there. 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.080 You probably could have figured that out. Guy. 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:48.520 That's great Brian Brown. This time in Austraina Fielming, I 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.759 think you had this. Gallipoli came out maybe the same 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.359 year Mad Max come out. The year after incredible moment. 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.920 There was a real it was a really magical I 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:58.760 think a lot I've had to do a government investment. 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:01.040 It was like I've I've heard a little bit about 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:03.920 it was Guff Whitlam, I think just went crazy and 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:05.600 it was just like you can have all the money 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.239 and it just and it's amazing the amount of great 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:10.120 stuff that came out. 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.120 And it kind of went through basically from the late 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:17.120 seventies into up until the ninth up until Muriels and 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:18.960 kind of Priscilla right there, and that's kind of went 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:23.040 a little dried up. And then you got John Waters 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:28.440 is great. You got Lewis Fitzgerald who plays George Witten, 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:31.680 who doesn't seem to do a lot, but I think, 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.000 I think what he does towards the end, he does 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:34.560 a couple of things. 0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.040 He the young the young guy, young guy on tal Yeah, 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:37.680 he was great. 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.520 Is the moral conscience, you know, he is the one 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:42.840 kind of saying, are you're sure? And he's caught between 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.880 the two who are you know, the two groups in 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.640 a way and the Elf Stewart and the Chris Hayward 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.839 group who were saying this is wrong, this is wrong, 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.200 but also you know, following orders on this side and 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.000 this we're in a war and being they even ask 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.840 him you can you can you have a word? Can 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.240 have words to them. In fact, there's a great moment 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:09.800 where he confronts I think it's a handcock. Actually, so 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:14.440 let's let's have listened to this. You've got to get 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:18.120 a firing squad together, Peter, all right, it's wrong to 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:18.719 make me know it. 0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:24.839 Don't argue that with me, mate, I just follow orders. Hey, 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:28.560 look at this, I got these from that line. 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:31.240 Dumb dumbs. 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:33.520 Ever seen what they can to do? 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.280 Put a neat little hole here and at the back boom, 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:39.880 oh gone nothing. 0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:42.640 Don't talk to me about what's right or wrong. 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:46.080 It doesn't really. 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.719 The job of it keeps making you question your own 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.320 thoughts about war. And every time you think you've settled 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:56.439 on an opinion that you think, oh this is wrong, 0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.200 this is wrong, and then you're going to get that, 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:01.480 you're gonna Yeah, they mutilated cap'n Hunt's body. They're using 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:05.920 these bullets. Aren't like it's it's it's a fight for survival. 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.000 Like we know what war is. But then when we 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.719 actually kind of have to think about it, that's when 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.560 we all get a bit like. 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:16.520 Ah, and I think it's very it's very you know, 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.600 we get sometimes really caught up with these sorts of conversations, 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:24.120 and I think this film really captures the complexity of it, 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.759 you know, where it's like he's war all entirely good, 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:32.360 where we almost lump soldiers in with the thing they're fighting, 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.239 and we kind of go like, I'm against war, thus 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.520 I'm against all of it, or I'm for war, so 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.600 for all of it. And it's like, well, you know what, 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.120 you can be against something, but you can see that 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:47.120 these people might be victims of the system as much 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.799 as anyone else, you know, you know, it's not it's 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:54.120 not like the richest, most upper class people. It's not 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:59.160 like you know, you had like John Curtin in their shooting. 0:52:00.360 --> 0:52:03.200 That's the thing that's really complex about these sorts of things. 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:06.600 And I think that character in particular, that that kid 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.120 what was the what was his name, George, George. I 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:14.160 feel like it's interesting because the film's called Breaking Morant 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:17.680 and he's kind of in my in my mind, maybe 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:20.080 third in terms of what the core of this story is. 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.800 And I think it really is Jack Thompson's character and 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.520 his character that are the sort of moral core of 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.560 the film, Like he really is just a kid that's 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:29.080 caught in it. 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.200 Yeah, because I feel like you've got you've got the experience, 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:37.080 you know, soldier in Breaking Morant, You've got the rogue 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.120 in Peter Hancock and the and the youth. You know 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:45.399 that the symbol of these kids that we send away 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:48.920 who have not really even thought about what they're there for, 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:52.280 or have been sold a lemon, you have been sold 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.560 something like that. When he realized that that Harry Breaking 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.680 Morant doesn't potentially even believe in the British Empire, He's like, what. 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:04.279 Are we fighting for this kid who doesn't really know 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:06.160 what's going on? And he gets thrown in the middle 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:06.320 of it. 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:08.560 Because you forget that this was sold as an adventure 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.319 to a lot of people. This was a go see 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.720 the world. These are people, you know, Brian Brown, characters 0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:18.680 running from poverty, you know, and so they would never 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.320 be able to jump on a boat to go you 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.960 see the world. This is the opportunity for adventure. 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:26.920 I think that sometimes. I remember because I grew up 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.600 in a country town and there's always a sort of 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:31.840 memorial in the middle of every country town for the 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.040 soldiers that died, and I often think about that it's 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.239 exactly what you're saying, this idea that the world was 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:43.400 so big in those days, it was so big, and 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.439 you've got these people, like the idea that someone people 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.360 didn't even leave their town, like they didn't even go 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.759 to the city, you know. And then there's these people 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.200 that went to Europe and the Middle East, and they 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.719 went to Africa, and they went to just completely all 0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:02.880 over the world, saw horrific things also probably really beautiful things, 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.040 and then came back to these lives in this little 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:11.200 country town like that would have really messed with them. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:15.080 I can imagine, you know, like absolutely yeah, I can't 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:16.719 imagine how crazy that would have been. 0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:20.319 Well, there was a wave of after the World War One. 0:54:20.320 --> 0:54:23.560 I've learned about this recently. After World War One, there 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.200 was a whole bunch of people who it kind of 0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:32.480 it was a real watershed moment for mental mental illness 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:37.160 in a way, because before then insanity was seen as 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:40.640 a as hereditary Yeah. Wow, so this is the first 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.839 time this world war World War One. But I'm sure 0:54:44.080 --> 0:54:46.000 there's probably science if people were actually looking for them. 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.200 After the Baar was where people were coming back, men 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:52.640 who were previously fine, but there's coming back broken and 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:55.960 there's shells of themselves. So this is and this is 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.840 the other thing that's really interesting about this film is 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.480 this and they make they make a real thing of 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.360 it all the way through. This is not new. This 0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.640 is a new kind of war, Like this is not 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:10.960 sword fighting in a field, you know, this is actually dirty, 0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:14.120 dirty tactics, which is which is something that needs to 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.960 be considered when you look at the methods and strategies 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.120 that they adopted, because they this is the first time 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.359 the word commando ever appears. Yeah wow, And and it's 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:25.759 a bore word, you know. 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:29.640 You look at it as well, like the link between 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:35.239 you talk about the jump from sword to gun and 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:37.880 like now we're talking about drones. You know, the idea 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:41.520 that someone can be sitting in a little shed outside 0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:44.960 of Nevada and doing these things and they never go 0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:47.840 to the place. And it is really interesting that that 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:50.759 shift kind of happens around this time where it's you're 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:56.240 no longer one on one And as soon as that happened, 0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.799 like it's that thing with World War One, how they 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:01.279 were calling it the war to end wars, Like by 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.160 all accounts, I probably should have been like we should 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.919 have just gone Ah, it's not. We're not really doing 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.200 one for one anymore. Like we should maybe wrap this up. Yeah, 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:12.440 you know, because it is wild to think that it's 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.280 just like it's. 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.480 Well, trench warfare wasn't a thing until the World War One. 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.600 That World War One, there's a new kind of war 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.960 and the heavy artillery. The term shell shocked. Yeah, he's 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:26.560 invented because the World War One. Because there's new sounds 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.960 that they're hearing. It's not like they're not the knaise 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.160 of horses and the clinks of swords. Is there's a whole, 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:36.719 the heavy artillery, the bombing, you know, it's it's a whole, 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:38.680 the whole. Yeah, that's only twenty years after this. 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:39.480 Yeah. 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.920 So yeah, the rate at which you know, military can 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:49.760 move and the technology and weaponry is incredible and scary. 0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:52.320 It is that thing like you look at older movies 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.239 like where they would like ride up and I don't 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:58.000 know if this is more movies. Maybe wars were always 0:56:58.160 --> 0:56:59.959 like this, but I feel like in those old movies 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:02.239 set in like medieval times, where they'd ride up and 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:06.080 be like, hello, well we're going to kill each other 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.960 and he finally works. You know, it's like it is 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.760 very Yeah, that idea of just like you go somewhere 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.760 and for six months you think you might die every second, 0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.520 and then you come home and they're. 0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:20.640 Like, why are they what's wrong? What's with Darren? 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.760 It seems a little lough like, yeah, man, it's crazy. 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:27.320 That's what's wild to me is that they took him 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:31.400 a minute to be like what he doesn't have hereditary. 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:35.320 I don't see this connection because Darren was fine and 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.080 then he went to war and lived in a ditch 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:42.120 for three years being bombed every day and shot at 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.960 and he's come back and it's like he's not what 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:46.720 he's like, He's a different Darren. 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.120 It's a bit weird. It's a bit weird to the 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:52.320 idea that like a psychologist would have been like, I 0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:53.760 think there's something here. 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.919 If what happened between when Darren left and when Darren 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:00.840 came back. I think if you look at that, you'll 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:01.720 find your antiaty. 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:03.760 There's something here again. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.760 This film again, and a lot of I've speak on 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:11.680 this podcast films from the seventies will not always have 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.800 their like protagonist be heroes, and they make them murky. 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.720 You have in lots of different ways. And I thought 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:22.360 one of the toughest moments here was when after Hancocks 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:24.520 had his Benny Hill moment and you know, the lovely 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:30.800 little montage of you know him, you know, visiting local ladies. 0:58:31.080 --> 0:58:34.520 And but then so you think, okay, so they're innocent, right, 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:38.680 like they couldn't be there, And then we have this 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:45.320 moment between Lieutenant George Whitten and and Hancock and break 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:48.520 the morant and it's basically is a confession. 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:50.280 Who did kill the machine? 0:58:54.400 --> 0:58:54.640 Maybe? 0:58:58.360 --> 0:58:59.440 What about your lady friends? 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.200 That was later it's Major Thomas. 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:06.440 No, no, he's not going to them. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.240 But we've always told the truth. 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.880 Major Thomas has been pleading, justifying circumstances, and now we're 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:15.400 just lying. 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.080 Well, what about them? 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:20.680 It's nobody's secret our guys have done to day. 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:22.000 They arrested us at Fort Edward. 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:25.479 Yeah, but killing a missionary, Peter. 0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:27.920 It's a new kind of war, George. 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:33.120 It's a new war for a new century. I suppose 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.400 this is the first time the enemy hasn't been in uniform. 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:41.440 They're farmers, They're people from small towns. They shoot at 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:45.080 us from houses and from paddocks. Some of them are women, 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:50.360 some of them are children, and some of them are Missionaries, George. 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:57.080 It's so brutal, and it's I feel like in movies 0:59:57.720 --> 0:59:59.960 we hold up the truth to be the most importan 1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.280 a thing, and we expect our heroes and our protagonists 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.760 to always tell the truth. Whether it's maybe they're having 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.080 an affair, okay, well you know, tell the truth. 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:08.360 You know. 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:12.480 Maybe it's it's it's you know, killing somebody. You know, 1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:14.960 come on, tell the truth, confess you know. So we 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:18.160 kind of often wait for that moment. But in real 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:20.600 life sometimes we will lie our way out of situations, 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.120 you know, and so, but we movies, we don't have 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:28.160 that same expectation. We expect the characters, the good characters, 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:31.320 to tell the truth, the fact that they are being 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:36.640 openly you know, discussing the fact they are lying their 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.360 way through this trial to a degree, there's things they 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:42.720 are being honest about, but in the you know, they 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:44.640 are the guilty of the crime. 1:00:45.000 --> 1:00:48.200 If that feels almost like a twist on the whole movie, 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:51.320 even though it's only one moment and one it feels 1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:54.880 like almost what I was getting out at the start 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:56.760 about you have to watch a whole film to really 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.800 appraise what it's saying. Because I think if you would 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:02.000 watch that this movie. Up until just before this, you 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:05.360 might think it's a very clean cut story about a 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.280 group of good Aussie boys who get done dirty by 1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:11.720 the British Empire. And that moment you just see that 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:14.160 it's so much more complex, because you do you want 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:18.880 when you watch a movie, you want the kind of 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:22.479 answer to come. You know, you want that like, oh good, 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.840 the moment when you realize he didn't do it, because 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:28.360 that's the worst crime of all of them everything else. 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:31.560 You're like, oh God, if I was there, maybe I 1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:33.640 could see how you're in the heat of the moment 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:37.400 and then that crime that they're talking about is just bad. 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:42.120 That's a bad thing to do. I was so relieved 1:01:42.160 --> 1:01:43.640 when I found out he didn't do it, when he 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:46.200 had an alibi. I was so relieved because I thought, Okay, 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:50.120 all right, I can work out what this film is saying. 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:54.160 And then that moment happens and you're just like, I 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:55.120 got to think about. 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:59.200 This, is you've ridden a long way to commit this crime. 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:02.320 The missionary he's leaving is in his horse and cart. 1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:08.640 Now I don't know historically if this missionary was you know, 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.840 like just a missionary, or was you know, was he 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:16.560 also fighting, like breaking around suggests did they doint that that? 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:21.200 They're probably guessing you know, so, Yeah, it's it's it's 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:24.480 a brutal thing to think about. And like I said, 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:28.840 it just keeps on challenging your your thoughts about war, 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:32.520 your expectations of what soldiers are allowed to do and how, 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:36.720 And it's an uncomfortable thing to want to impress on somebody. 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:39.040 This is we're going to send you to war with 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:45.959 murky instructions and good luck, we'll be here to judge 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:47.200 you when you when you get back. 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:50.680 Yeah, and it's it's very I think it's also just 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:54.560 a love. I think that the thing I've always thought 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:56.800 this is back in my theater days. I'm so glad 1:02:56.840 --> 1:03:01.040 you brought that up. I remember I was putting on 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:04.440 a little play in La Mama, and I remember I 1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:06.880 was working with someone on that and they kept being like, 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:08.240 what are you trying to say? What are you trying 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:10.840 to say with this play? And I remember just being like, 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:14.920 if I can, if I can answer that question, I'll 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:17.880 write an essay. If I can tell you exactly the 1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:20.640 answer clearly, concisely, I'll write an essay. I'll give it 1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:23.200 to you I'll tell you right now. But I think 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:27.520 the purpose of art is to delve into stuff we 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.680 can't say cleanly with words, and I think this is 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:31.400 a great film. 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:35.400 It's to raise questions. I think. Yeah, it's funny when 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.160 people have asked me, what are you trying to say here? 1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:40.440 I'm just like, I'm just exploring something. Yeah, there's no 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:43.880 exclamation point. It's not like and this is what I 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:46.560 think is like, No, this is I'm just raising some 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:50.800 questions about you know, whatever it might be. And that's 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.200 what I think. I think people make the mistake of 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.160 going no, you don't need to have the answers. You 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:58.000 just need to I think, raise questions and explore and 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:03.280 let people watching your audience they may kind of different conclusions, 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.640 and that's okay if you're if your purpose is to 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:10.000 have your audience arrive at the exact same destination. 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:13.280 I mean, well, why did we spend two hours? Like 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:15.520 why did we write all these characters? Why did we 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:18.120 go to these places to film this? If you could 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:19.520 just tell me what you wanted to say, do you 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:21.320 know what I mean? If you could just say to me, oh, 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:25.120 these are the goodies, they're the bad It's like, why 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.080 are we making the film in the first place. And 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:29.959 I think that's something that every time I watch something 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:32.440 that's a little bit older, I see that kind of 1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:37.000 complexity and that that and I think that still exists 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:40.440 in TV. But in the bigger films sometimes they lose that. 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:42.160 The big movies, they lose that. 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:44.360 Well, you look at a film that kind of exists 1:04:44.360 --> 1:04:46.200 in this world. You know a few good men, you know, 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:48.920 Tom Bruise and Jack Nicholson, and that's all about a 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.600 couple of soldiers who followed orders. You know that somebody 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:57.560 ordered the code read you know, but it's done in 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:02.320 a way that's more palatable because you you know, you 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.640 understand that, you know, and Tom Cruise gets gets it 1:05:05.680 --> 1:05:08.120 out of famously, Jack Nicholson, did you order the code 1:05:08.200 --> 1:05:10.400 rad you bet you're outside, did you know? And he 1:05:11.680 --> 1:05:15.200 it's a very clear that he gave that instruction. Here 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:19.480 we still don't know historically, we still don't know. There's 1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:23.440 no evidence that Lord Kitchener gave this, uh, you know, 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:30.640 this order, but we don't know what breaking morand was told. Yeah, 1:05:30.800 --> 1:05:33.880 if you're told by your commanding officer, you know you're 1:05:33.880 --> 1:05:36.200 not You're not having that conversation with Lord Kitchener that 1:05:36.280 --> 1:05:39.520 gets handed down through the hierarchy and it gets to you. 1:05:39.760 --> 1:05:45.240 So it's it's really, it's really, it's really complicated. Uh, 1:05:45.880 --> 1:05:48.240 it's did you know before you watch this film, like, 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:50.280 did you have an image of it? Did you have 1:05:50.520 --> 1:05:54.040 the because the closing scene of the execution scene is 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:55.520 is quite iconic. 1:05:55.960 --> 1:05:57.800 Do you know that wasn't the one that when when 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:00.400 I think, when I thought of breaking Around, I thought 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:02.920 of the courtroom scenes. That's the stuff that sticks with me. 1:06:03.200 --> 1:06:06.800 Is that kind of you know, the split focus and 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:10.280 that image of people in that courtroom. That's what I 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:11.880 think of, and that's what I thought it was. I 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:15.240 thought it was entirely in the courtroom. But no, that 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:20.040 final thing, that final sequence, I didn't know about and 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:22.640 I hadn't seen. So it was very special to see 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:25.800 that kind of for the first time. It's pretty amazing, 1:06:26.880 --> 1:06:30.160 like beautiful, so beautiful, and I think so much more 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:33.840 beautiful because the rest of the film isn't shot like that. 1:06:34.400 --> 1:06:37.320 The rest of the film is quite it's beautiful, but 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:43.720 it's quite kind of middle of the day yep. Interestingly shot, 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:47.520 but pretty kind of almost pragmatically shot. It's all very 1:06:47.920 --> 1:06:52.240 courtroom and then that final sequence is just really beautiful, 1:06:52.360 --> 1:06:56.720 really like sad and beautiful, and I love that contrast. 1:06:56.440 --> 1:06:59.200 Toally they knock it out of the park. Let's let's 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:01.160 have a listen. There are a final clip. 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:01.760 It's it's. 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:07.320 Before they go to that. Let's just have a quick 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.400 listen to because it's it's again another bit of finding 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:13.040 little little bit of humor. This is as on their way. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.240 They've been let out of their cells too, and they're 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:20.800 asked if they were like a prayer or something similar. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:26.280 John de Padre, No, thank you. I'm a pagan and jew. 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:28.080 What's a pagan? 1:07:30.200 --> 1:07:33.080 It's somebody who doesn't believe there's a divine being dispensing 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:34.240 justice to mankind. 1:07:35.320 --> 1:07:36.200 I'm a pagan too. 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:38.440 There is an. 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:45.080 Epitaph i'd like Matthew ten thirty six. L Right, gentlemen, Well, Peter, 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.200 this is what comes of empire building. 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:58.440 A few ten thirty six. 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.840 And a man's social bedet of his own household. 1:08:04.920 --> 1:08:10.080 Yeah, I mean again, it's there's some fun with Brian Brown, 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:14.680 even though the tragedy of that is it reminds how 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:17.439 young he is. He doesn't know what a pagan is. 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:22.479 He doesn't even he hasn't even you know, had enough 1:08:22.600 --> 1:08:25.679 life experience to kind of work out where he might stand. 1:08:25.920 --> 1:08:28.360 Is he an atheist? Is he agnostic? Is he religious? 1:08:28.640 --> 1:08:33.080 You know, he's dying before he discovers his own god, 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:37.200 if you like. And then yeah, the reading is quite 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:42.000 telling as far as get the exact words of basically 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:46.240 a foe. They're being killed by their own I think here, 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:50.080 so they get moved off and this is I think 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:54.320 one of the most stunning sequences in Australian cinema and 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:59.360 maybe world cinema as well. This is they walk off. 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:04.759 There's some poetry being read. They walk off at sunset sunrise, sorry, 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:10.960 and Edward Woodwood puts his hand out and Brian brand 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:15.040 Moss immediately takes it. And this was improvised. But then 1:09:16.120 --> 1:09:18.360 after they did it and they agreed that let's keep 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:23.880 doing that, they discovered that break him around actually did 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:29.479 that when he walked off to be executed. They have hands. Yeah, yeah, 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:33.479 so one of those little magical movie moments. But let's 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:36.120 have a listen to this fine sequence. 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.800 It really aimed the place. No time to reel off 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:43.599 rhyming diction, but yet we will write a final rhyme 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:48.439 while waiting Crucifixion, for we bequeath A parting tip of 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:51.879 sound advice for such men who come across in transport 1:09:52.000 --> 1:09:57.519 ships to polish off the dutch Men. If you encounter 1:09:57.600 --> 1:10:01.040 any bores, you really must not loot them. And if 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:04.120 you wish to leave these shores for pity's sake, don't 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:12.320 shoot them. Let's toss a bumper down our throat before 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:18.200 we pass to heaven and toast the trimset petticoat we 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.080 leave behind in Devon. 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:37.720 Shoot straight your pastwards, don't make a mess of it. 1:10:45.720 --> 1:10:52.120 Yeah, it's it's so, It's inch perfect, it really is. 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:55.840 There's there's nothing you would change about that. I was 1:10:55.880 --> 1:10:59.200 watching it. I've said it many times. The only thing 1:10:59.280 --> 1:11:01.880 I thought i'd watching it was when they walk off. 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.800 There is a soldier that's kind of walking behind him, 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:07.599 and I was just like, I wonder if they thought 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:10.639 like getting the shooting one take where he's out of frame, 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:13.479 or just like, yeah, a little bit further across. I 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:15.719 was getting really nip picking. I've seen it many times. 1:11:16.600 --> 1:11:18.400 That's the thing as well, with the sunset, they would 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:20.040 like they would have had a very short amount of 1:11:20.160 --> 1:11:23.479 yeah film, Yeah, like I've definitely wanted to get that 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:26.559 shot for like comedy things in the past, and it's like, right, 1:11:26.600 --> 1:11:27.400 too late, we missed it. 1:11:27.600 --> 1:11:30.360 Yeah, absolutely right. So they might have done a take 1:11:30.400 --> 1:11:32.080 where it's like, can you guys walk a little bit quicker? 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:35.240 How about like a little jaunty jog to the chair, 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:38.640 the one version where you just run as fast as 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:40.960 you can to the chairs. It's a good point, really 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:41.599 good point. Yeah. 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:43.639 Yeah, I was just like that, that's what I was thinking. 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:45.719 I was thinking, geez, I feel sorry for the assistant 1:11:45.760 --> 1:11:47.960 director trying to organize this. 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:50.120 One of the things I had to go back right 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:51.840 at the start of the film before we wrap up 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:54.479 is one thing I really liked was that they have 1:11:54.720 --> 1:11:59.240 the title card and some words to explain the Ball 1:11:59.320 --> 1:12:01.719 War and all that. But obviously it's a very complex situation, 1:12:02.120 --> 1:12:04.760 so I like that they actually just owned the complexity 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:07.240 of it by they said the issues were complex, but 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.759 basically the ball was wanted independence from England. 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:11.680 I loved that so much. 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:15.240 It was so it was so excellent. It was really like, yeah, 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:17.400 you're not going to explain the whole the politics of 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:19.840 the Ball War in the title card at the start 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:20.559 of a movie. 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:23.240 So thank you for not, and thank you also for 1:12:23.439 --> 1:12:26.080 not just own Like I've never seen a title card 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:27.520 acknowledge its own existence. 1:12:29.280 --> 1:12:32.240 All right, here we go a bit hush, a bit 1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:32.599 of hush. 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:35.479 I loved as well that. I loved it as well 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:37.000 because I think it sort of puts you in a 1:12:37.080 --> 1:12:38.920 place where you're like, I don't know a lot about 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:40.920 the Ball War, and I love that they were like, look, 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:46.000 there's lots more than this. Yeah, we're not trying to 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:48.000 reduce it down. We're just talking about a. 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:50.360 Little bit of it. Yeah, it really is. It's ahead 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.000 of its time. Glo. We're not Yeah, we're not. This 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:53.080 is not everything to everyone. 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:57.519 We're not covering the whole thing, just this bit basically 1:12:57.680 --> 1:12:58.280 what's going on. 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:01.320 Yes, you know there are other people who fought in 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.360 the Bull War as well. We can't cover all of them. 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:04.880 I do love that. 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:07.120 I love the idea of a title card that is 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:10.320 more like just a catch up because you're on the 1:13:10.360 --> 1:13:14.200 toilet for the first team. Okay, so basically he's. 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:18.800 Previously on the ball War. I did love that. Here 1:13:18.880 --> 1:13:22.120 is some fun facts before we finish up. It was 1:13:22.160 --> 1:13:23.280 filmed in South Australia. 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:24.439 It's wondering. 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:27.679 Yeah, the South Australian Film Corporation had a real stellar 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:33.679 runs and apologies. I don't know more recently how active 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:37.439 they've been, but they were really fact I think Brice 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:39.960 Beresford had a three picture deal with them. This was 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:42.720 the second one. The next one was The Club, which 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:46.599 assually've seen The Club, which is based on the Colling 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:49.880 football Club. We covered that with Ben Lee earlier on 1:13:50.040 --> 1:13:53.800 this podcast. But yeah, he's shot in South Australia and 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:56.920 it looks you know, the apparently one of the first 1:13:57.560 --> 1:14:00.920 movie shot in Australia but based overseas. 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:03.439 Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. I was wondering if it was 1:14:03.560 --> 1:14:07.080 because I was like, this looks Australian, but every colony 1:14:07.160 --> 1:14:08.920 kind of looks the same. Yeah, make it look like 1:14:09.000 --> 1:14:11.000 this vague dry version of England's. 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:14.840 Yeah, maybe it is South Africa. Yeah, want to run 1:14:14.880 --> 1:14:19.280 of Reagan's favorite films? Apparently, there you go. I'm not 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:19.760 sure how we. 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.400 Feel about that, but I think Ronald Reagan got it. 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:26.639 She watched it later in his life. Get her out 1:14:26.640 --> 1:14:27.679 to that last twenty minutes. 1:14:27.880 --> 1:14:31.680 The other thing, despite of being anti British, apparently the 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:34.160 Queen watched it and really enjoyed it. Prince Charles. I 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:38.479 think maybe her husband you recommend that you watch it, 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:41.640 and they enjoyed it, and again maybe missed some of 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:42.880 the most what. 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:47.559 A mystery she was like who knows. Yeah, she could 1:14:47.600 --> 1:14:51.280 have been the most like cool, chill person ever, or 1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:53.960 she could have been like super conservative. 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:54.679 Who knows. 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.640 Yeah, it's just such a like it's funny that we 1:14:57.800 --> 1:15:02.519 don't really know what her viewpoint wise, you know, on 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:07.519 these you know matters, like you know, I mean, you know, 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:10.200 you more radical people would argue, well, you could have 1:15:10.600 --> 1:15:12.280 torn the British and by down, you know, you could 1:15:12.280 --> 1:15:14.600 have ended it. You could have ended it. It's a 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:17.880 very hard thing to do, you know. I mean I 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:20.599 wish we I hope we become a republic one day. 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:25.680 But yeah, she did a pretty incredible job of not 1:15:27.800 --> 1:15:29.280 of almost as being the face. 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.360 Like six thousands of the six seasons of the Crown 1:15:32.520 --> 1:15:34.760 is isn't it just it's just the season of like 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:44.080 I can't say, I'd love to say, and this. 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:46.040 Was the first I was film sold to China. There 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:49.320 you go. There's a lot of so great fact. 1:15:49.439 --> 1:15:57.320 Yeah, it is the Avatar of the Great. 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:01.599 There will be eight sequels they're filming now, as well, Zach, 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:05.040 thank you so much. Mate. You are extremely busy right now. 1:16:05.120 --> 1:16:06.719 I know what it's like to be in post production 1:16:07.080 --> 1:16:10.000 of a project, and I'm not sure if I would 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:12.599 have agreed to be on a podcast. I have hassled 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:15.200 you for it a little while. We've been close getting 1:16:15.200 --> 1:16:18.720 this done a couple of times. But I'm glad we 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:20.840 have got it done for this film, you know, like 1:16:22.200 --> 1:16:26.080 you know, it's a big one the process, and you've 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:28.439 watched it this morning and we've had I think I 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:29.920 love that chat. It's been great. 1:16:30.040 --> 1:16:31.800 It's been yeah, No, thank you so much. This is 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.640 such a good one too. Like I said, I'm going 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:38.400 to start on a bit of a watching Australian film journey, 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:40.840 and I'm glad I started on a classy one because 1:16:41.280 --> 1:16:45.760 I watch some of the more trashy eighties late, so 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:48.280 I'm glad I can kind of fold in the fancy 1:16:48.360 --> 1:16:48.760 ones too. 1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:52.519 You know, well you are fancy ones. I got two 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:56.360 words of Crocodile dundee. It's a sleeper hit. You may 1:16:56.400 --> 1:16:58.799 not have heard about it. Have you seen a big steal? 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:03.479 No big deal is like exists kind of on its 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:05.799 own in a way, like it's I guess It's Puberty 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:07.559 Blues kind of went there as well, but it's kind 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:11.400 of like this. It's it's Mendo, it's Ben Mendlsir, It's 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:15.120 Claudia Carvin, It's Steve Bisley, and it's it's one of 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:19.080 the few movies it's just about a teenager trying to 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:21.640 find some love and buys a card. So it's a 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:25.120 very simple story, but it feels like an American plot line. 1:17:26.080 --> 1:17:28.559 And I'm not saying that to be critical. It's actually 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:32.479 just sometimes austrained movies are either digging deep into our 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:35.559 past and this is actually like contemporary for its time 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:41.200 and just a sweet story. And it's it's yeah, about 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:42.040 a calf, the Big Steal. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:44.040 Do you know what I watched recently that I'd love 1:17:44.080 --> 1:17:47.400 to fold into the Australian sort of thing is road Games? 1:17:47.439 --> 1:17:50.320 Have you ever seen road Games? No? Fold that into this, 1:17:51.240 --> 1:17:55.200 Get someone to watch road Games? Also, have you said, okay, yeah, 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:59.840 Derek his head, Derek's head amazing. It's like it's like 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:03.840 rear window in a truck. So it's a guy driving 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:06.479 a truck across the nullabor and he sees different cars 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:09.360 and Jamie Lee Curtis is in it. Like the two 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:14.519 leads are American. It's the most like amazing little genre film. 1:18:14.600 --> 1:18:16.040 It's fantastic, which. 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:19.479 Had borne out also before you leave. But you you 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:22.880 have your own screenings for movies where you tell us 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:24.960 about that. Because my son and his mates went to 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:28.680 one not that long ago. I hope love that Love 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:31.400 movie was. It was a few months ago, but they 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:32.439 loved it. Yeah. 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:36.519 Yeah, So I do every month at the Lido the 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:39.720 second Friday of every month, the Leado in Hawthorne, I 1:18:39.960 --> 1:18:42.320 just screen. It's called the Fun Time Film Club and 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:45.280 I just screen fun film. So sometimes they're the really 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.600 bad so bad it's good genre, which I kind of 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.360 disagree with. I could go into that. Usually when people 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:52.400 say something so bad it's good, what they mean is 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:54.200 it's really really good and really bad shit. 1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:55.720 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:58.400 And then sometimes it's just really fun. So we've done 1:18:59.280 --> 1:19:02.160 I think Man and Robin needs to be reappraised as 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:03.920 the camp classic. It is, so I show that like 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:07.639 once a year. Super Mario Brothers the movie I've shown 1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:11.120 a bunch of times with my friend Mish. But I've 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:13.800 also done Fast in the Furious Seven. 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:17.679 Which is do you have to see the first six 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:18.599 to appreciate seven. 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:23.000 I watched the first six. I've only up until this screening, 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:26.720 I'd only ever watched the odd numbered ones, So it 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:28.600 was a bit like reverse Star Trek, you know, the 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:30.920 Star Trek thing that the even number ones are good. 1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:35.000 Wrath of carn is good, and I believe it's the 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:39.160 reverse with the Fast and the Furious franchise. One, three, five, seven. 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:41.000 Those are the ones that you want to see, and 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:43.920 up until that point, I hadn't seen the other ones, 1:19:43.920 --> 1:19:46.639 and I watched the other ones in preparation for this screening, 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:48.920 and I think I enjoyed it a little bit less 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:51.280 because I think there's some I would say, watch the 1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:55.200 first one, yep, where they are sort of small time 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:59.200 criminals trying to steal DVD machines DVD players from the 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:02.960 back of the and then skip it and then suddenly 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.400 now they're superspies that use cars. 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:05.600 Instead of. 1:20:07.640 --> 1:20:09.879 Just I think it's so much more of an emotional 1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:14.080 journey if you have no idea, just one of the 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:14.840 greatest movies. 1:20:15.040 --> 1:20:17.000 I love that, I love it. I love it. I 1:20:17.080 --> 1:20:20.760 think Tokyo Drift was the last one I saw that 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:25.360 one mate, Thank you so much. You are bloody hilarious. 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:30.879 Check out Arnie Donna, check out Zach's Instagram page, anything 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:34.160 anywhere you can take what these guys are doing in 1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:36.560 I mentioned all of it at the start, and of 1:20:36.640 --> 1:20:39.400 course the Christmas book, which is a more than the 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.920 stocking filler. I think, thank you a little bit of Pud. 1:20:46.000 --> 1:20:51.000 What's the official title, Always Room, Always for Christmas? Pud. 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:56.080 It is a sketch that I don't know who came 1:20:56.200 --> 1:21:00.160 up with it, who committed first to it, but has 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:03.759 become it has become the Crocodile Dune, thee of Australian 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:09.800 sketch comedy. It is exploded and now it's immortalized in 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:14.840 a Christmas books. It's actually stunningly gorgeously realized. 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:18.360 Oh thank you you No we put that sketch was 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:20.160 all built around the fact that I thought the word 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:22.640 pud was funny, in the fact that British people say 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:27.759 pud seriously. Five years later, we spent months in lockdown, 1:21:28.280 --> 1:21:30.639 going back and forth in then editor writing this book 1:21:30.920 --> 1:21:34.679 way too much, way too much effort for a sketch 1:21:34.720 --> 1:21:35.280 that took him. 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:35.680 Half a day. 1:21:37.600 --> 1:21:38.160 Ridiculous. 1:21:38.160 --> 1:21:40.559 But often these are things that you just put out there, 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:43.200 as opposed to things where you work and you try 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:45.479 to craft and you try to get perfect. You think, oh, 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:50.679 nobody was into that, okay, but no, it's always room 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:53.120 for a bit of put it in your stockings and 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:55.920 get it for Christmas. Zach thanks so much of your time. 1:21:55.880 --> 1:22:05.679 Mate, Thank you, thanks so much to the scene. 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:20.160 That was fun, and there was a chance that it 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:23.000 might not have been fun, because Break Him Around, as 1:22:23.240 --> 1:22:26.200 a beautiful film as it is, is not necessarily a 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:29.600 fun film. And it is interesting sometimes when you have 1:22:29.880 --> 1:22:34.360 people who you wouldn't necessarily expect to be into something 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:38.519 like Breaking Around, or you know, I mean I could 1:22:38.560 --> 1:22:42.200 have just chosen an actor or a director, you know, 1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:45.680 like a serious thespian. But it's interesting sometimes I think 1:22:45.720 --> 1:22:49.720 to see another side of the performers that we love. 1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:54.120 So for Zachary to come in and be really honest 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:57.519 and engaged and and and and open with his his 1:22:57.680 --> 1:22:59.960 thoughts on Breaking Around, I thought it was really special 1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:04.080 and really cool. I hope you did too. Like I said, 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:07.200 always room for Christmas. Pod, a beautiful little Christmas book 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.400 is out now. So if you're looking for a last 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:13.920 minute stocking filler or to make your it actually, if 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:16.559 you're like a teenage kids are going if you give 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:19.560 them that book, you will get a certain amount of 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:24.280 cool credits. I think like just like mention it to them, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:27.320 just buy it, put it in their stocking. Thank me later, 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.120 trust me. Okay. My right hand man, Derek Myers some 1:23:30.160 --> 1:23:32.880 Casway Studios dot com dot au is here. If you 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:35.000 want to get your podcasts off the ground, Derek is 1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:38.840 demand the chat two. Derek. I'm very excited. We have 1:23:38.960 --> 1:23:40.680 been a little bit behind because you've been doing a 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:46.080 great job patching this together. Often record the episodes and 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:50.040 then our outros separately. My schedule has been a bit 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:54.200 crazy recently, so you've done an amazing job. But let's 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:57.040 catch up on a few speak pipes. How does that sound? 1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:01.600 Yep? Perfect? Who we got I We'll start with Michelle. 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:04.120 And here we go. 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:07.960 Hi, Pete. 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:11.800 Really loving your podcasts. It'd be great if someone could 1:24:11.880 --> 1:24:15.280 do the Brother Groomsby. They haven't watched it yet. Absolutely 1:24:15.479 --> 1:24:20.400 love that. Got so many laughs. Anyway, keep up the 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:22.960 good work, great podcasts. 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:27.320 Thank you, Thank you so much, Michelle. I was I 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:32.600 got to say Brother Grimsby request was not on my 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:37.719 bingo card. It's for those who don't know Sessha Baron 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:42.840 Cohen funny anything. When this came out, actually, and I 1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:44.960 really enjoyed the film as well. Is it a classic? 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:48.360 Doesn't belong on the list. It's a tricky one. It 1:24:48.400 --> 1:24:52.479 probably didn't. He wasn't one of his bigger hits. But hey, 1:24:52.880 --> 1:24:58.080 I will. I mean, comedy is hard. Comedy is so hard, Derek, 1:24:58.120 --> 1:25:01.320 because we've even when people come and do comedies, I 1:25:01.439 --> 1:25:04.760 get nervous, particularly their comedians, because it's kind of comedians 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:08.680 judging comedy, which sometimes they're not even comfortable with us. 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:11.920 So relieved recently, and Lizzie, who really loved This is 1:25:12.000 --> 1:25:14.360 Spinal Tap. In fact, if she hadn't have enjoyed it, 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:16.400 I probably wouldn't have put it. To be honest, I 1:25:16.439 --> 1:25:19.240 would have said, Lizzie, let's just do another one. Thankfully 1:25:19.400 --> 1:25:23.680 that situation didn't arise. But brother, g I'm rap you 1:25:23.760 --> 1:25:25.519 love that film. I got a few chuckles out of it. 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.439 We'll see, we'll see, probably not on the on the 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:30.680 you know, top portion of the list as far as 1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:33.040 classic movies go. Because of somebody, we are gonna be 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:34.639 bit upset. Some people got upset that we did Madi 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:38.120 in Manhattan with Ronnie Chang a little while ago, and 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:41.360 I would argue, you know that made that in that 1:25:41.600 --> 1:25:45.439 genre of romantic comedies that made in Manhattan has its place. 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.080 Could we make the same argument for The Brother Griensby. 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:53.799 I'm not completely sure. Have you seen The Brother Griensby. 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:55.479 You're being chepish over there. 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:58.800 I've never even heard of it, But thanks to Michelle. 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:00.240 Now you got check it out. Check it well, the 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:03.400 very least Michelle's abouching for it. I think it's a 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:06.840 funny film. I've said Baron Cohen, check it out. Absolutely, 1:26:07.040 --> 1:26:09.519 you'll get plenty of last It's silly. It's like a spy, 1:26:10.920 --> 1:26:14.960 a spice spoof kind of film. I think you'll enjoy it, 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:16.840 and you never know, we may get a guest into 1:26:17.280 --> 1:26:18.599 the chat about it. Thanks Michelle. 1:26:19.240 --> 1:26:22.160 Moving right along, here's one from Jason Carter. 1:26:22.479 --> 1:26:25.760 By guys, Jason here, just want to let you both 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:30.960 know that loving the podcast. Although I'm struggling through fear 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:34.680 and loathing in Las Vegas at the moment, it's one 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:36.200 that I've got to catch up on. There's been a 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:39.800 few lately that I haven't actually seen, and one of 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:43.760 the cool things about the podcast is it's got me 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:45.400 to pull my finger out and go and watch a 1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:48.120 few movies that I haven't made the effort to. 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:49.599 Do on the path. 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:54.519 So going pretty good, although I'm struggling with fear and loathing. 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:56.760 So I'll get through it and then I can listen 1:26:56.840 --> 1:27:01.040 to that air. Remember a while ago you mentioned that 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:03.120 you had a few guests that you wanted to have on, 1:27:03.280 --> 1:27:05.120 but you were struggling to find a movie that hadn't 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:07.400 seen and I just wanted to throw out there. 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:09.400 Maybe you could try some of. 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:14.600 The original movies that won the Best Picture awards at 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:17.439 the Academy Awards, things like Grand Hotel and Cimarron, which 1:27:19.439 --> 1:27:21.559 they're interesting movies. I don't know where the hell you'd 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:25.600 find them. I think Cimmarron. I hide it on VHS. 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:28.120 From a library about ten years ago, so it'll be. 1:27:28.160 --> 1:27:28.920 Out there somewhere. 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:32.720 But something different and give you a chance to get 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:35.240 I think Locke Hume was someone that you mentioned. Give 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:36.240 you a chance to get some. 1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:38.720 Of those guys on the pod. So but I'm keep 1:27:38.760 --> 1:27:40.080 it up, really enjoying it. 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:47.880 Catch it later. Fantastic, Thank you, Jason, Love love all 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:50.559 of that. If you're loathing in Las Vegas, I'm sure 1:27:50.560 --> 1:27:53.439 you may have discovered already now Jason. Was an interesting 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:56.920 episode because that was with a good mate, Daniel, kind 1:27:56.960 --> 1:28:00.920 of a very funny comedian, and he was supposed to 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:04.679 watch Lost in Translation, and as I was doing an introduction, 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:07.160 he realized that he watched the wrong movie. So it 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:08.920 was a bit of a different episode where we had 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:13.960 to you know, pivot a bit and get through it 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:20.800 because I hadn't watched Fears and Loathing Vegas recently. So yes, 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:23.519 it was an interesting episode that one and I would 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:25.600 love to go back and do Lost in Translation. We 1:28:25.640 --> 1:28:29.759 will definitely will do that. But yeah, like Fear Loathing 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:32.880 is a tricky one and it's not for everyone. But 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:35.719 funnily enough, I have an email here from a Wayne 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:39.120 Perkins and this I wanted to read this out off 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:43.360 the back of that, and Wayne says, hey, Pete and Derek, 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:46.120 I was really interested in your discussion with Dan Connell 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:48.400 about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and the fact 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:50.880 neither of you could get into it and you thought 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:54.759 the characters were unlikable. And the late sixties and early seventies, 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:57.360 hundred s Thompson was wildly popular with people like myself 1:28:57.400 --> 1:29:00.679 who were young and left these The movies was based 1:29:00.720 --> 1:29:02.880 on the book based on a Rolling Stone article for 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:05.800 ninety seventy one. At that time, Thompson was popular because 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:08.960 he wrote and did things we were thinking but would 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:12.840 never be brave enough to do, and what you understandably 1:29:12.920 --> 1:29:19.200 now find unlikable. He dynamited Jack Nicholson's letterbox. But I digress. 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:23.479 He was American of excess, which sadly overtook him to 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:27.000 this day. I can quote vast passages from the book. 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:29.560 Sorry to go on a bit, but I just just 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:32.920 thought you might like a perspective of someone who was there, 1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:37.120 so to speak a friend of the pod, Wayne Perkins. 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.840 Thank you, Wayne. And this demonstrates, Derek, why I love 1:29:40.240 --> 1:29:43.760 the community we are building, because it is tricky when 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:46.920 we are talking about films that people out there love 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:49.000 and we obviously I mean. 1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:51.120 Wow. 1:29:51.560 --> 1:29:55.559 In my defense a little bit, I have not probably 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:58.920 given Fearing and Loathing in the Las Vegasy the Yasny 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.400 treatment from my pec because it's funny. When I watch 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:04.559 these films, knowing I need to discuss them, I look 1:30:04.560 --> 1:30:07.599 at them a bit deeper. So maybe if I had 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:11.639 prepared by watching Fear and Loathing instead of Lost in Translation, 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:15.840 which we agree to, I may have. I may find 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:18.519 some things that I hadn't found when I first watched 1:30:18.560 --> 1:30:22.640 it off my own steam many years ago. But I 1:30:22.720 --> 1:30:27.400 love the respect I love the banner waving from Wayne. 1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.000 It's a film that means a lot to him and 1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:32.960 letting us know. I love that, Derek. 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:34.120 Yeah. 1:30:34.240 --> 1:30:38.240 And the way Wayne feels about fear and loathing. That's 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.160 the way I'm sitting here feeling about when. 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:42.519 You were doing with Nail and I with Limo. Oh yeah, 1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:44.000 I lived in that disgusting house. 1:30:44.120 --> 1:30:44.280 You know. 1:30:44.720 --> 1:30:47.439 Yeah, I've kind of been there, maybe not in that era, 1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:51.160 but I know what he's saying. It's like, yeah, I've 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:53.720 seen that and it wasn't so silly at the time, 1:30:53.840 --> 1:30:56.200 and yeah, it sort of fits in. I guess rock 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:57.800 and roll people are that with spinal tap. 1:30:58.120 --> 1:31:04.280 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So feel free to respectfully, which everyone 1:31:04.560 --> 1:31:07.560 seems to be so amazing. It's almost I'm almost like 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:10.439 it's somebody filtering through these emails because they're all, even 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:14.760 when they're disagreeing with things that have been said, so respectful. 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:17.080 And the thing it's funny because one of the episodes 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:18.920 I got a lot of attention was Punch Drunk Love 1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:21.120 with Hamish McDonald because one of my favorite films. He 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:25.840 didn't enjoy it so much, and some different opinions of 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:30.680 how HAMI shandled it, how I handled it. Hamish and 1:31:30.760 --> 1:31:33.120 I both love that our discussion. We both love that episode. 1:31:34.200 --> 1:31:36.280 But Georgie Towney said to me afterwards, she said, you know, 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:40.640 it's we often live our lives like wanting people to 1:31:40.720 --> 1:31:42.519 love the same stuff as we do. Like you know, 1:31:42.640 --> 1:31:44.200 and if you find a film that you love, you 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:46.680 want everybody to love it. But sometimes the beauty is 1:31:46.880 --> 1:31:51.599 actually that you saw You saw the worth in that movie, 1:31:52.200 --> 1:31:55.840 and if others don't, that's okay. They'll see worth and 1:31:56.040 --> 1:31:59.320 and that kind of beauty in other films. As far 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.680 as Fear and Loathing Las Vegas. Maybe I have to 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:04.880 give it another chance beauty. Next week on the show, 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:07.800 we were going to do a Christmas movie which I 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.680 hadn't seen. In fact, I think Derek, your wife may 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:14.799 have suggested this one. Merry Christmas, mister Lawrence. 1:32:15.280 --> 1:32:18.040 Yes, and I'm wondering if the name is making us 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:18.800 think it's is. 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:22.160 It believe I haven't seen either, but I believe it's 1:32:22.640 --> 1:32:26.720 a war kind of movie set a Christmas time. I mean, 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:31.920 I don't know David Bowie in it. Yeah, yeah, So 1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:33.880 but when the thing is we're not going to do 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:37.240 it because our guests who was very excited to be 1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:40.639 doing it and then had to pull out, and this happens. 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:44.320 We are asking, you know, the best comedians and the 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:47.680 best actors to come and do this podcast, so occasionally 1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:52.240 it does happen. So we've had the pivot. This time 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.200 of year, obviously, it's a been tricky to get people in. 1:32:55.360 --> 1:32:59.400 So what we're doing in the grand tradition of Christmas 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:04.280 flashback upsodes we will be doing sitting around a campfire 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:10.080 toasting marshmallows Derek and I and reliving our favorite movies 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:14.320 from the podcast that are Christmas related. So we'll be 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:18.320 doing Die Hard with Tommy Little, we will be doing 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:22.680 Gremlins with Trent Roberts. We will be doing It's a 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:26.000 Wonderful Life with Broden Kelly from Nie Donna again, and 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:30.400 we'll be doing last years controversial Christs episode Not Mean 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:35.439 Girls Love Actually with Eddie Bannon. So we'll be playing 1:33:35.479 --> 1:33:41.360 our favorite moments from those episodes and also reading more 1:33:41.400 --> 1:33:43.280 of your feedback. We fell a bit behind, so we're 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:44.760 going to read more of your feedback more of your 1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:48.080 speak pipes. Also, well you know how the rest of 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:52.640 the season is going to end, so with that, and 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:55.920 I've also announced now that there will be a live 1:33:56.000 --> 1:34:01.400 show happening at the Adelaide Fringe next year. Okay March eighteen, 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.400 so Saturday, at five pm in a Garden of Unearthly Delights, 1:34:05.680 --> 1:34:07.920 I will be taking the stage for a very live 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:12.479 edition of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet. Stay tuned for 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:15.840 the guests. We are just confirming that I suspect there'll 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:19.960 be multiple guests, but yes, stay tuned. So but you 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:22.240 can get tickets now, So if you go to the 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:26.200 adelad Fringe website booked tickets for You Ain't See Nothing Yet. 1:34:26.280 --> 1:34:32.479 Also my live show Deconstructed Origami about you know, things 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:34.160 that are built up in tearing them down, the build 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:37.800 them up again, and lots of different stuff. We'll be 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:41.320 traveling around the country on sale now. We have Sydney 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:44.840 on sale, we have Canberra on sale, and we have 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:50.759 Brisbane and Adelaide on sale. The rest of the markets 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:55.960 of Melbourne and Perth will follow and the more regional 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:58.320 dates as well. You can buy tickets for both You 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:00.800 Aint See Nothing Yet in Adelaide and they constructed our 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:03.639 Gami in all those markets, and I'd love to see 1:35:03.640 --> 1:35:06.240 you at the last show. Obviously, it's a new a 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:09.519 year for me. I've left the project really looking forward 1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:12.439 against duck in some more live stand up, being able 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:15.160 to increase the size of the tours that I do 1:35:15.640 --> 1:35:18.080 not necessarily in rooms. Actually I'm really keen to play 1:35:20.200 --> 1:35:23.799 smaller rooms if you like, and play, but do more shows. 1:35:23.920 --> 1:35:26.439 So yeah, if you feel like coming along and saying 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:30.160 hi and supporting me my new life, I would love 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:32.559 to see you there. But until next week where it's 1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:35.880 a very special Christmas episode. If you ain't seen nothing 1:35:35.960 --> 1:35:40.080 yet until then, get your shopping done and by for now. 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:54.320 And so we leave old Pete, save man Salt, and 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:56.680 to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:58.320 pleasant good name. 1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:00.760 Zero