Speaker 1: Get a Peter helly you here, Welcome to you ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet in the Movie Podcast, where our chat
Speaker 1: to a movie lover, a better classic or beloved the
Speaker 1: movie they haven't quite got around to watching until now.
Speaker 1: And today's guest from Artie Donna, comedian, actor, broadcaster creator
Speaker 1: Zachary Ruwayne.
Speaker 2: Do you really think you have a chance against us?
Speaker 1: Mister cowboy?
Speaker 3: Open the pod bay doors. Hell, I'll have what she's.
Speaker 1: Happen happening right?
Speaker 3: Do anything nothing here?
Speaker 1: Zachary Rwayne is one third of the on stage component
Speaker 1: of the comedy juggernaut Auntie Donna, who have been tearing
Speaker 1: it up both on stage and online, where their viral
Speaker 1: videos have, if not broken the Internet, then at least
Speaker 1: cause significant ligament damage. They're always room for Christmas put
Speaker 1: sketch when particularly bonkers, amassing millions of views around the world.
Speaker 1: It has even been immortalized into a genuinely beautifully realized
Speaker 1: Christmas book with illustrations by a friend of comedy artists,
Speaker 1: James Fosdyke. It's both hilarious and, like I said, rather
Speaker 1: be guidlingly beautiful. Arnie Donna have their own podcast, their
Speaker 1: own Netflix show. Arnie Donna's big old house of fun,
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure they'll have their own fragrance out
Speaker 1: very soon. Zach also shows old movies at the Lido
Speaker 1: Cinemas in Melbourne, just for shits and giggles. Cerly, he
Speaker 1: did jingle all the way. That's right, that Arnie classic.
Speaker 1: Zach is insanely talented, fun, hilarious, quite tall, and I'm
Speaker 1: bloody stoked to be hanging with him today. Hi.
Speaker 3: My name is Zachary Rwayane. My three favorite films are
Speaker 3: mulhulland Drive.
Speaker 4: Well, now here's a man who wants to get right
Speaker 4: down to it.
Speaker 3: Chef. Is this boring to you?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: I like it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well I love it. Zoolander, good jack.
Speaker 1: You know a che anymore?
Speaker 2: You could hurt yourself out there.
Speaker 3: But up until this morning, I had never seen break
Speaker 3: a morand I understand unil.
Speaker 1: Mister Morant is something of a poet. Major that's right.
Speaker 1: He wrote for a paper called The Bullet.
Speaker 6: In vander Be.
Speaker 3: A tennison of the transfer, the byron of the bush.
Speaker 1: Doc Carmon is.
Speaker 7: Why is it he's referred to as breaker Morant.
Speaker 6: Ladies man, perhaps a breaker of hearts. No, it was
Speaker 6: a Horse Breaker.
Speaker 1: I understand the best in Mustray.
Speaker 8: Adam quite a Renaissance figure.
Speaker 1: I dare say, if everything goes well, he could come
Speaker 1: and recite for us one night. Yes, up until George
Speaker 1: Miller rolled out Fury Road Bruce Beresford nineteen eighty Court
Speaker 1: Marshall Ball War film Breaker Morant was my favorite Australian
Speaker 1: film of all time, definitely my favorite Boar War film.
Speaker 1: The Bore War was a grubby, violent, nasty affair that
Speaker 1: took place in late nineteenth century South Africa. Australians fought
Speaker 1: far from home under the banner of the British Empire.
Speaker 1: It is here where we find three Ossie soldiers Harry
Speaker 1: Breaker Morant, Edward Woodward Roguish, Peter Hancock, Brian Brown and
Speaker 1: young George Winton. Lewis Fitzgerald, in his feature film debut,
Speaker 1: part of a crack group labeled the Bushvelt Carboneers, given
Speaker 1: the mission the combat the Commando Bores. They then caught
Speaker 1: Marshall for the execution of said Boar War Prisoners of
Speaker 1: war rhymes when Moran's commanding officer and grow in law,
Speaker 1: Captain Hunt Terry Donovan is murdered, the Breaker is given
Speaker 1: orders by Captain Taylor John waters On behalf of Lord
Speaker 1: Kitchener or Sorry Believes. What follows is an examination of
Speaker 1: how we view the job of soldiers when we put
Speaker 1: them in these insane situations, the murkiness of war, the
Speaker 1: trickiness of wartime legacy breaking. Moramp is not afraid to
Speaker 1: pose difficult questions. The first Ossie film to win the
Speaker 1: Palm d'Or at the carn Film Festival, as well as
Speaker 1: Best Supporting Actor for Jack Thompson playing Major J. F. Thomas,
Speaker 1: the Aussie lawyer, brought in under the belief he would
Speaker 1: be overwhelmed. Obviously Dennis Denudo was unavailable. He also won
Speaker 1: ten A fives, becoming the first film to get into
Speaker 1: all digit dubs. It's one of the great courtroom dramas
Speaker 1: of all time. Zachary Rwan are you here under orders?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a great That's a great way to
Speaker 3: throw what a heavy film. I was like, Yeah, this
Speaker 3: will be fun, this will be fun. I'm still you know,
Speaker 3: I'm still newish to comedy and I've only ever really
Speaker 3: done sketch, so the ability to jump from funny to
Speaker 3: talking about war crime is not one I'm great and
Speaker 3: jumping around on. So we're going to see how much
Speaker 3: of an emotional rollercoas to this podcast is make.
Speaker 1: Through this episode with that can cancel because it is.
Speaker 1: It's a tricky it's a tricky film. And thank you
Speaker 1: you are you are currently in post production on the
Speaker 1: new Uni Donner comedy series, which we're very excited about.
Speaker 1: So thank you for being here making the time. Oh
Speaker 1: not at all, thank you hopefully you you know. So
Speaker 1: I'm basically putting that out there, so if you do
Speaker 1: say something outrageous, it's under the guys, you're tired. You're
Speaker 1: beating the other of sweet.
Speaker 3: I'm a tied boy, tired boy.
Speaker 1: But yes, you had you are a film nuffy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you gave me a bunch of films that you
Speaker 1: haven't seen. Some people are almost where it is a
Speaker 1: badge of honor that there's almost no films that they
Speaker 1: haven't seen. Yeah, but I always always I watch a
Speaker 1: lot of films, and there's so many films I still
Speaker 1: haven't seen.
Speaker 3: It it's a never ending list, you know, you keep
Speaker 3: I remember I did a thing maybe four years ago
Speaker 3: where I was like, I'm just gonna just gonna watch
Speaker 3: them all, you know, all the ones on the list
Speaker 3: exactly what this podcast I think I'm guessing was the
Speaker 3: reason you did it. That was where it started. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I just thought I'll just do it. And I
Speaker 3: think I did about fifty films and I really knocked
Speaker 3: off a few. Yeah, but there's still just outrageous films.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any bloody making them. Mate.
Speaker 3: Oh and then people keep doing that like I made
Speaker 3: an effort, Like I said, the last few years, I've
Speaker 3: been trying to catch up. And then people are like,
Speaker 3: have you seen this new film? And I'm like, come on,
Speaker 3: I'm at the eighties. I haven't watched the Goonies yet,
Speaker 3: you're asking me to watch The Green Night. Come on.
Speaker 1: He should have a very different conversation that we're about
Speaker 1: to have. But let's we'll come back to Break of
Speaker 1: Morn because it is. I have this weird kind of
Speaker 1: connection with it in a way because I started doing
Speaker 1: community radio after school. I went traveling for a bit,
Speaker 1: came back to community radio and did it with one
Speaker 1: of the lovely spokes i've ever met, Tom Mulliner, whose
Speaker 1: father Rod is in this film. He plays the prosecutor
Speaker 1: in this film, with a very impressive stash. I got
Speaker 1: to know Rod like he was a lovely guy and
Speaker 1: very generous with his time. Met the producer Matt Carroll
Speaker 1: and many years ago. So I've already seen the film
Speaker 1: and loved it, but I was able to kind of
Speaker 1: fanboy a little bit out on it with them. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about your three favorite films, and you have gone
Speaker 1: with David Lynch. One of my favorite day movies Malholan Drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that film so much. It's probably more
Speaker 3: indicative as so much as I make comedy, it's more
Speaker 3: indicative of the sort of stuff I love generally. I
Speaker 3: love that kind of stuff, you know. But that was
Speaker 3: the first film I think I'd ever seen that was
Speaker 3: really properly like cooked, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 3: I think up until that point, I'd only really watch
Speaker 3: pretty normal movies, and then I watched that film. When
Speaker 3: I was too young to watch that film. I'm watching
Speaker 3: it with my parents and they fast forward through the room.
Speaker 1: There are some boobs.
Speaker 3: There are some boobs. Yeah, And I remember just like
Speaker 3: getting it. I think I was like twelve thirteen, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, I love this film, and my
Speaker 3: dad hated it, and he was like, just what he
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense? I remember having this massive argument
Speaker 3: with my dad, who works at a power station, just
Speaker 3: being like Dad, it's abstract and I I just loved it.
Speaker 3: I love that idea that you don't have to go
Speaker 3: a certain with a film. So it's always stuck with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that because I've always really tried to
Speaker 1: get push my parents into watching interesting films, and it's
Speaker 1: what we order. Anyone who particularly ends up getting into
Speaker 1: the arts, you know, you look back and you got
Speaker 1: to go, yeah, I did that. My nephew is you know,
Speaker 1: also interested in the arts and filmmaking and TV making
Speaker 1: and and he, like a lot of people this year,
Speaker 1: loved the movie Everything everywhere or oh yeah, extraordinary film.
Speaker 1: Highly encourage you to go see it, but it's out there,
Speaker 1: like it's out there. He went over to my mum
Speaker 1: and dads and they said, I want to sit down
Speaker 1: and watch a movie with you, and he put it
Speaker 1: on and they just did not They had no idea.
Speaker 3: Amazing, they were looking at what they look at.
Speaker 1: I love that he did it, you know, full full credit.
Speaker 1: But you gotta know your audience sometimes and sometimes you
Speaker 1: just can't get people across.
Speaker 3: Those kinds of lines and there's no there's no point.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you realize when you get a
Speaker 3: little older. You go, I like, it doesn't mean my
Speaker 3: dad has to like it, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And I don't have to make them watch it. And
Speaker 3: if anything, it's going to be a terrible experience for me,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a terrible experience for them. I
Speaker 3: remember I watched Lost in Translation with my parents, who
Speaker 3: got it from the video shop when it came out,
Speaker 3: and that movie doesn't have a lot of talking. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of sort of like pregnant pauses and like
Speaker 3: beautiful silences, and they would talk. They would have a
Speaker 3: conversation every time, and I'd be like, tell them to
Speaker 3: be quiet, they're not saying anything. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: think it's that kind of movie.
Speaker 1: My mom would often get up to do like the
Speaker 1: Washington stuff some mining. No it's not. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: my mom'll being a bit of an asshole here. But
Speaker 1: I was saying, do the ironing, and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I'll do the ironing later. You can do the ironing
Speaker 1: at another time.
Speaker 3: We got to find out what is this relationship? No,
Speaker 3: don't go back, you're not meant to hear what they're whispering.
Speaker 1: Was that your entry point in the David Lynch was
Speaker 1: that lot of thirst? I think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: It's a first David Lynch movie I saw, but it
Speaker 1: was the first one I kind of really loved, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that definitely was because I watched Twin Peaks
Speaker 3: on VHS after it. I remember I rented it out
Speaker 3: and it was this really strange like they tried to
Speaker 3: put all of season one onto two videotapes, and in
Speaker 3: order to do that, they didn't put the pilot there.
Speaker 3: So the pilot was just a previously on Twin Peaks,
Speaker 3: which is the best episode. I'll think. I just got
Speaker 3: a previously on Twin Peaks and then I watched it
Speaker 3: in one sitting back back in the mid two thousands.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, that was the first time I ever
Speaker 3: watched it was the first thing I think I'd ever
Speaker 3: seen that was that yeah kind of vibe, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: That impact your comedy choices after that, do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because that's the thing about David Lynch. A lot
Speaker 3: of people see how weird he is, and they see
Speaker 3: how kind of out there he is. But I think
Speaker 3: and I think the three things I don't seen David
Speaker 3: Lynchall that doesn't get talked about much is one, he's
Speaker 3: a great horror director, like their sequences. There's one in
Speaker 3: mulhulland Drive where he goes where they have it, there's
Speaker 3: a witch behind the diner, and it's one of the
Speaker 3: greatest horror sequences. It's so full on. The Other thing
Speaker 3: is how tragic he is. I think he tells really beautiful,
Speaker 3: tragic stories. And then thirdly, I think is how funny
Speaker 3: is I think most of what he does is meant
Speaker 3: to be funny, and I think he thinks a lot
Speaker 3: of what he does is funny, and I find it
Speaker 3: really funny. And then I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: are like, oh, that's weird, and it's like, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's funny. So I definitely am always trying to
Speaker 3: get that stuff into everything I do, and then to
Speaker 3: varying degrees, because sometimes it's just like Zach, that is
Speaker 3: just weird, like there's nothing funny about that.
Speaker 1: I just have this image of Zach and David Lynch
Speaker 1: watching mulhulland Drive with your parents and then you two
Speaker 1: is cracking up and your parents is not getting it.
Speaker 1: I still don't understand this, but I'm everything everywhere all once.
Speaker 1: Please talk about Chef. So is the Bradley Cooper or
Speaker 1: just no, this is John.
Speaker 3: Favro, John Favreaux over, Yes, yeah, John Favreaux, John Leguizamo, Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I love This is my comfort movie. Yes, this is
Speaker 3: my It's and I think that's the thing when you
Speaker 3: do comedy. Comedy used to be my comfort thing, you know.
Speaker 3: It used to be that i'd watch a sitcomra i'd
Speaker 3: watch stand up. But now because I do it, I'm
Speaker 3: always analyzing it. The kind of thing I watch for
Speaker 3: comfort is either really boring YouTube videos or like a
Speaker 3: type of drama that's so easy it's like comedy. And
Speaker 3: that's where Chef falls into perfectly. Like it's just like
Speaker 3: there's some tension for the first twenty minutes and then
Speaker 3: it's just the rest of the movie is him working
Speaker 3: his stuff out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Really it's really fun and the food looks amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a nice little you know, is this this
Speaker 1: thing happening now? It's probably able to have longer than
Speaker 1: I realized. But where because we've got all these shows,
Speaker 1: people watch where there's all these food shows where foodies
Speaker 1: will watch all this travel shows where you know, people
Speaker 1: love the travel watch. And now I think shows are
Speaker 1: getting really good incorporating those things. You know, if it's
Speaker 1: about food, make the food look.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you're in a I'm watching White Lotus at the
Speaker 1: moment of the second series, yeah, and you know that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes you want to go to
Speaker 1: Sicily outside of all the other weird stuff that's going
Speaker 1: on in that show. But it's just like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: are making Sisily look beautiful. And John Favre does a
Speaker 1: great job with this, making this kind of this food
Speaker 1: look amazing.
Speaker 3: It's the best movie to watch if you're ever on
Speaker 3: an international flight, if that's the way your brain goes,
Speaker 3: because it just is like, remember there is good food
Speaker 3: at the flight as you're eating your little international flight food.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's like a sort of a
Speaker 3: Sado Massacrest thing to be watching it, but I love
Speaker 3: watching it on planes for exactly that reason.
Speaker 1: And I love that John Fevrc kind of made this
Speaker 1: between like making basically Marvel movies, was like he was
Speaker 1: the little little gift to himself and this passion project
Speaker 1: that he had.
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard the thing that, like the story
Speaker 3: is about. There's this sort of layer with that film.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's ever been said or if
Speaker 3: I've just decided this, but that film is about the
Speaker 3: making of the film. Have you ever heard this kind
Speaker 3: of thing? Because the whole the whole thing is him
Speaker 3: being thought he's a chef at a really big restaurant
Speaker 3: and he's being forced to do things a certain way.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to do it that way, and then
Speaker 3: the critics attack him personally, and then in the end
Speaker 3: he goes, you know what, I'm just gonna go to
Speaker 3: my friend Robert Downey Jr. I'm going to get a
Speaker 3: food truck from him. I'm going to do what I
Speaker 3: want on a low budget and it will make me
Speaker 3: feel happy again. And when you look at his career,
Speaker 3: he'd just done Iron Man two, which clearly had been
Speaker 3: forced to do it a certain way. Critics tore it apart,
Speaker 3: and then he was like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go to my friend Robert Downey Junior. I'm going
Speaker 3: to make chef. The movie is about it make the
Speaker 3: making of itself.
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways that is that's
Speaker 1: really cool. It's Scully Your Hands and doesn't Hoffman so Megara, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oliver Platt. It's an incredible film.
Speaker 3: It's also Sophia Vigara and Scarlet your Hands and have
Speaker 3: both been in relationships with Jean Favreaux, who wrote and
Speaker 3: directed the film, which I think is very funny, just
Speaker 3: writing and director film, just someone sitting him down and
Speaker 3: being like, do you think maybe Scarlett your hands in?
Speaker 3: And Sophia Vigara fighting over you as a little.
Speaker 1: It's you do wonder there's that conversation ever happened? I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I'm not across his his marital status,
Speaker 1: but even even the wife, it's going. Listen, what about
Speaker 1: Patricia Heaton from great film Zoolander? Yeah, great film, it's
Speaker 1: one of the great comedies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just funny. It's really funny, and I think,
Speaker 3: like I feel like it important as a comedian. Sometimes
Speaker 3: when you do comedy, you forget to put comedy in
Speaker 3: your references, when you do podcasts like this, because you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: actually I like serious films that well, clearly I like
Speaker 3: comedy as well, and I just I love this film.
Speaker 3: I love how unapologetically stupid it is. I think sometimes
Speaker 3: people try to get too clever with comedy, and this
Speaker 3: is one of the best examples of just it's stupid
Speaker 3: from start to finish.
Speaker 1: Well, we I think silliness is an underrated quality and
Speaker 1: one donna Is become brilliant proponents of silliness and Zoolander
Speaker 1: is it's and it becomes when when you just embraced silliness,
Speaker 1: it's it's joyous as well. Yeah, well, because there is
Speaker 1: a part of you, there's parks, parks, certain parts of
Speaker 1: your brain over the side, and it's like a little
Speaker 1: holiday exactly. Yeah, we're not, you know, but even though
Speaker 1: you're still get emotionally involved with the characters like that,
Speaker 1: all the story beats are still there. I mean that
Speaker 1: you know that I'm a man exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a great, well structured film. I think it's like
Speaker 3: an hour and a half. It's so tight and it's
Speaker 3: just joke joke, Joe. It's so easy to watch. It
Speaker 3: doesn't ask anything of you other than to laugh. I
Speaker 3: love that film so much.
Speaker 1: It's one of the first films where I saw Will
Speaker 1: Ferrell and oh this guy is amazing.
Speaker 3: There's a bit, there's a really famous bit in that
Speaker 3: film where he goes, you know where Will Farrell presents
Speaker 3: like the model of the school to him, and then
Speaker 3: Zeeland is like, what is this the Center France? And
Speaker 3: he throws it away, and a lot of people say,
Speaker 3: what is this the center France? Is their favorite line?
Speaker 3: And then it needs to be at least three times
Speaker 3: bigger they say that's their favorite line. My favorite line
Speaker 3: in the entire film is Will Farrell's line immediately after
Speaker 3: it where he's just like, he's absolutely right, It's just amazing.
Speaker 3: It's just a perfect life.
Speaker 1: David Bowie's in that film. You know, Billy Zay, you
Speaker 1: know David Bowie.
Speaker 3: David Bowie seems like the coolest guy in the world.
Speaker 1: Like have you seen that video of him not predicting
Speaker 1: the Internet?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I love that. I love that video and
Speaker 3: it's so right on, like it's so perfect, Like.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he actually says Twitter and YouTube and
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. Just a longer clip. You may
Speaker 1: not have seen it. No, yeah, he does the whole thing.
Speaker 1: My great three films arrange of experiences there, Melholan, Josh
Speaker 1: Chef and Zoolander. But let's talk about the film. We
Speaker 1: are here to talk about it. We are shifting gears.
Speaker 1: Let's go to nineteen eighty, Like I said, The Palm
Speaker 1: dr Winner, directed by Bruce Beresford and starring a wealth
Speaker 1: of Ozzie talent from Jack Thompson, John Waters, Brian Brown,
Speaker 1: Charles bud Tingwell, Terrence Donovan, Olf, Bloody Stewart. O you
Speaker 1: before I ask you if you enjoyed the film, that's
Speaker 1: the next question, but I will ask you, did you
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Elf Stewart out of Home?
Speaker 3: Some of them no, no, So it was so strange.
Speaker 3: I think the only time I've ever the only experience
Speaker 3: I have of Elf Stewart is I was a neighbor's kid, right,
Speaker 3: so I didn't really watch much Home and Away. So
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of home and Away. And then
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago I was in an UBER and
Speaker 3: they were doing an interview on Kyle and Jackie Oh,
Speaker 3: the Uber players Kyle, and he was on Kyle and
Speaker 3: the Jackie Oh, and I think he was struggling with
Speaker 3: the pace of commercial radio. And then to see him
Speaker 3: in this like real fancy movie, I was like, my goodness,
Speaker 3: and he was young and hungry and like oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and he was like, you know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, I don't mean a patronizing,
Speaker 1: a proper fucking actor like it was in all those
Speaker 1: movies and you know those you know, late seventies movies
Speaker 1: and before before he arrived in Home and Away to
Speaker 1: get the role of a lifetime. Really the role that
Speaker 1: for an actor to play over that many years is amazing.
Speaker 1: But he was, Yeah, he was doing the hard yard.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. The first logos Rove and I went
Speaker 1: to it might be rove second logos is my first one.
Speaker 1: All we wanted to do was find him and take
Speaker 1: a photo, and we took a photo of him telling
Speaker 1: us off. Oh great, like naughty kids yelling at us,
Speaker 1: and it's one of my favorite photos of all time.
Speaker 1: Great man, But did you did you enjoy break them around?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I yeah.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say this right off the top,
Speaker 1: that this podcast is about people who have just seen
Speaker 1: a movie, Like literally, you have seen this hours.
Speaker 3: Ago, hours ago, So this.
Speaker 1: There's always a time to process. He had. Josh Lawson
Speaker 1: did the Last Picture Show recently, and I think, to
Speaker 1: be honest, he felt differently about the movie at the
Speaker 1: end of that episode than he perhaps did at the
Speaker 1: start of it, because you very rarely this might love
Speaker 1: about this podcast. We watch a film these days and
Speaker 1: then have an intensive conversation about Yeah, he's eating around
Speaker 1: horridors and you know, over a beer maybe you know,
Speaker 1: maybe weeks or months later, who knows. So you were
Speaker 1: jumping right in to a movie that is there's a
Speaker 1: lot to discuss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very complex film, and I think that's
Speaker 3: there was this moment early on where I thought, is
Speaker 3: this just going to be played at one level? Is
Speaker 3: this going to be sort of a reflection I guess
Speaker 3: not even of its time, but of the time it's
Speaker 3: set in. And then you just start to see these
Speaker 3: layers and it gets more and more complex, and it
Speaker 3: just it reminded me of how just complex characters can be,
Speaker 3: and how there's just very little. There's not good, good
Speaker 3: guys bad guys in this film by any stretch of
Speaker 3: the imagination. It's just a really murky, dark film, and
Speaker 3: I loved that for it. I thought it was so
Speaker 3: much more complex than I was expecting it to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is based on a true story, so
Speaker 1: they do these are real characters and it's based in
Speaker 1: the Second Boer War, and so they do have a
Speaker 1: guide to go in break him around. Has become a
Speaker 1: really controversial figure because like we'd like to do with
Speaker 1: Ned Kelly being the most famous, and we like to
Speaker 1: kind of glamorize, and particularly if it's if it's one
Speaker 1: of us versus the English or one of us, you know,
Speaker 1: like and but it's a really murky issue. And more
Speaker 1: recently we have had this thing in Australia with you know,
Speaker 1: soldiers from Afghanistan and facing trial for things they've done
Speaker 1: during where it's like this is this is this is
Speaker 1: almost very still very relevant. How do we judge the
Speaker 1: actions of soldiers we send? And these were like you
Speaker 1: got Hancock, the Hancock character who is basically running from poverty,
Speaker 1: like he's not even how much training he would to
Speaker 1: receive would have been reasonly minimal. He's not a career soldier.
Speaker 1: He's been putting this insane situation. Now they could and
Speaker 1: the first time I've watched it, when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: I was all pro, completely pro the Aussies and like
Speaker 1: pro you know, like I didn't see I didn't see
Speaker 1: the nuance yeah, yeah, yeah, but they actually know they
Speaker 1: are actually executing people, you know, like and and court,
Speaker 1: you know, prisoners of war that happens to on the
Speaker 1: other side of us. We kind of we have a
Speaker 1: dim view of that. But when there was is it's
Speaker 1: all so it's and and that's not even to kind
Speaker 1: of like get too much into because it's about breaking
Speaker 1: around that. I'm obviously I don't know, but it's a
Speaker 1: fascinating examination of how we do. Like this all comes
Speaker 1: down to was there an order given? My Lord Kitchener.
Speaker 1: Now we see Colonel John Water's character he he he
Speaker 1: says avenge Captain Hunt after and hunt he is not
Speaker 1: only brutally murdered, so you kind of go, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: they brutally murdered a soldier, So go do your thing
Speaker 1: like you're a soldier. Yeah, I think they say that,
Speaker 1: aren't soldiers supposed to? Yeah, all the opposition. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the point.
Speaker 3: It's a very tough one, and I think that's what
Speaker 3: I loved about it. It's something I think a lot
Speaker 3: about with films is I have a lot of friends
Speaker 3: that when they watch a movie, they'll make a decision
Speaker 3: on it really early on. I'll sort of see them
Speaker 3: as I'm sitting next and they'll go that person's bad and
Speaker 3: that person's good. And it's something that we do a
Speaker 3: lot now where we just jumped straight on it, and
Speaker 3: I think, like, and it's hard to say how I
Speaker 3: would have viewed it in you know, in the early eighties,
Speaker 3: but there's an element with this movie where I feel like,
Speaker 3: as I first watched it, it feels like it's positioning
Speaker 3: these characters just as victims of colonial Britain and just
Speaker 3: as good people that have gotten into a bad situation.
Speaker 3: And that kind of broadly is what the plot is saying.
Speaker 3: But then there's just moments, particular kularly with the Third
Speaker 3: Crime with the the Minister, Yeah, where you just and
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone in the making of it is
Speaker 3: trying to excuse them for doing what they've done. It's
Speaker 3: really crook and it's really wrong, and it's really hard
Speaker 3: to stomach and hard to even with the oh they
Speaker 3: were given orders, even with it's like, oh, that's a
Speaker 3: really crook thing they've done, and it's it's it's I
Speaker 3: love that complexity and I love that grayness, because that's
Speaker 3: what war is. I think in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And you have other soldiers including Elf Stuart calling Elf
Speaker 1: Stewart during this, you know, and Chris Haywood, who they
Speaker 1: actually speak up, but then they're not they're not portrayed
Speaker 1: as sympathetic. Yeah, almost betrayed as like, hang on, you're
Speaker 1: you're doing your mate in here. Yeah, even though all
Speaker 1: they were saying is like, no, we should have They
Speaker 1: were following their own I guess code of ethics, and
Speaker 1: were they because they maybe hadn't seen the order or
Speaker 1: hadn't heard the order because this order was kind of
Speaker 1: given to one person from another person on behalf of
Speaker 1: another person. Yeah, that's the murkiness of war. How do
Speaker 1: you you know, like break him around. Possibly thinks he's
Speaker 1: doing the right thing because he's heard that he's heard
Speaker 1: that order.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's also you know, in a rage because he's
Speaker 1: his best mate, has been and he's seen the horrors
Speaker 1: of war in the firsthand, the mutilation of Captain Hunt.
Speaker 1: He wants revenge. He wants revenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's just a really tough one and I do
Speaker 3: love I think I love that it plays to the
Speaker 3: complexity of it. I think it's the other thing I
Speaker 3: really realized as I was watching it, I just I
Speaker 3: had this realization. I've been thinking a lot about Vietnam, like,
Speaker 3: particularly how Vietnam. We think of it as being different
Speaker 3: to the other wars. It was the one where things
Speaker 3: got dirty and things got gray and things got murky.
Speaker 3: And then the more I think about it, and the
Speaker 3: more I learn about other wars, and the more I
Speaker 3: watch films about war, the more I realized, No, it's
Speaker 3: just that Vietnam was the first one with cameras there.
Speaker 3: It was the first one that captured the grayness, and
Speaker 3: watching that, I really thought of that, and then I realized,
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen eighty it's not that long after Vietnam.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of still part of the conversation.
Speaker 3: So I definitely think this is as much about even
Speaker 3: though it's based on a true story set, then it's
Speaker 3: as much about the time that it was made. It's
Speaker 3: as much about now. It's like, I feel like we
Speaker 3: have all these different kind of things that we say
Speaker 3: and do and everything, but war was always the same,
Speaker 3: Like every time you do war, it's always this kind
Speaker 3: of weird, kind of gross murkiness, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think this film probably gets made because it's
Speaker 1: in the shadows of Vietnam, and that probably gave it
Speaker 1: then the I don't know, the inspiration is probably the
Speaker 1: wrong word, but it was. It felt timely even though
Speaker 1: it was the story was, you know, yeah, years old
Speaker 1: by that stage. Let's have a listen. Let's let's dive
Speaker 1: into some of that murkiness of war. This is this
Speaker 1: is Terry Donovan playing Captain Hunt and uh with breaking
Speaker 1: around with the explanation that the gentleman's war is over.
Speaker 5: Go well, Harry, not bad, one dead, one wounded.
Speaker 3: Hand you about thirty of.
Speaker 8: Them kept up on them while they were asleep.
Speaker 5: This this was surrendered. God, Harry got no facilities for prisons,
Speaker 5: can't even feed them, tail.
Speaker 3: Execute as men Je's mith ding Gate Sirie.
Speaker 5: You do great, Donald Nichols.
Speaker 9: One is what will you go better through?
Speaker 3: Better troop?
Speaker 8: Yet up, get up, Simon. I thought the proclamation only
Speaker 8: applied to boors caught wearing British shaky.
Speaker 5: New orders from kitchen them okay, doanel.
Speaker 3: Hamilton's confirmed it to me himself.
Speaker 5: No prisoners. The Gentleman's war is over them.
Speaker 2: Here break your teeth on this.
Speaker 1: So it's not just the Taylor who has given it
Speaker 1: all later on, but it's also Captain Hunt and so
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so it's so perplexed because you've
Speaker 1: got you know, and you do feel how do you
Speaker 1: how do we, even years and years and years later,
Speaker 1: or the returning soldiers now in Afghanistan, where do we
Speaker 1: draw the line for a situation that we have no
Speaker 1: concept of? Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, And I think as well, it's the thing
Speaker 3: you realize as well, is the And I think that
Speaker 3: scene in particular is so powerful because it's the it's
Speaker 3: the structures that are in place. Even if someone disagrees
Speaker 3: all the way up the line, there's not really and
Speaker 3: you watch you watch news reports about like long form
Speaker 3: journalism about war now, and it's the same thing where
Speaker 3: it's the level to which an individual has to push
Speaker 3: back against those structures that you've got people in offices
Speaker 3: probably back in Australia or back in England making these
Speaker 3: decisions that trickle down and it's like it's the it's
Speaker 3: these structures that I think this film questions really well,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Let's also have let's keep wrong with
Speaker 1: another clip because a lot of it comes down to
Speaker 1: the fact that there was no judicial process given to
Speaker 1: the Bore soldiers that they should have they should have
Speaker 1: had the chance to do a face trial, and this,
Speaker 1: I guess a version of a kangaroo court took place.
Speaker 1: And this is the prosecutor played by Rod Mulama, and
Speaker 1: he's and his explanation that this wasn't actually a court.
Speaker 9: Well, I would like to add that I've been generously
Speaker 9: using the word trial, court martial and relationship killing of bitter.
Speaker 2: It was a conspiracy, it was a consultation.
Speaker 9: It was a measure to mature a criminal purpose.
Speaker 1: But it was not a court. There's two in a way.
Speaker 1: There's not a court case going on there, there's no
Speaker 1: judicial process, but the judicial process that is going on
Speaker 1: is also very weird and ramshackle and improper. In fact,
Speaker 1: this was the last after this court case is court martial,
Speaker 1: Australia decided that it would no longer have Australians be
Speaker 1: allowed to be court martial under the British government.
Speaker 3: Wow that makes sense. Yeah, It's it's such an interesting
Speaker 3: thing as well, isn't it, Because I think there was
Speaker 3: there was a lot of questioning at that time of
Speaker 3: I guess it's like Australian identity and ANZACs and the
Speaker 3: British Empire, and this film I think captures so well
Speaker 3: this idea that we like so many of these wars
Speaker 3: and battles that are so iconic. Now we're all fought.
Speaker 3: They weren't fought for Australia, they were fought for England.
Speaker 3: They just sort of sent off, you know, Turkey and
Speaker 3: Australia have nothing to do with it, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And I think this really captured that that,
Speaker 3: like why are they in a British court martial? Why
Speaker 3: are they fighting Dutch South African wars? Like why is
Speaker 3: this even happening? You know, It's such a weird kind
Speaker 3: of thing.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd never when I watched this as a
Speaker 1: late teenager, I had never heard of the Boar War.
Speaker 1: This is my first introduction to it. A alone that
Speaker 1: there was a second one. It was a sequel.
Speaker 3: So many bour Wars, too many Bore Wars.
Speaker 1: Talk about a Boar but it is. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: some of the performances uniformly. I think, really really great.
Speaker 1: Edward Wood would Did you know much about Edward wood Wood? No? No?
Speaker 3: So? Who was so?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 1: He was breaking morants? Yeah, And I knew Edward Wood
Speaker 1: would even before I saw the movie, because he was
Speaker 1: on the US TV series The Original Equalizer Denzel Washington remade,
Speaker 1: and I love that shot. He would just be a
Speaker 1: guy who had a set of skills and he would
Speaker 1: so he was the equals He was the Equalizer.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went with a different choice of Denzel. They
Speaker 1: went like because because Denzel strong, and you know, he's
Speaker 1: big and imposing. You know, where where Edward Wood was
Speaker 1: it feels small and you know and kind of like
Speaker 1: your granddad in the way partly you know, this is
Speaker 1: in the eighties, But I used to love that show,
Speaker 1: so I knew. I knew Edward Wood would. But he's
Speaker 1: he's just really good and he believes this was the
Speaker 1: finest performance of his career.
Speaker 3: Don't blame him. It was so good that across the
Speaker 3: board everyone played it so well. But yeah, he was
Speaker 3: so fantastic in it. The way that scene you just
Speaker 3: played to ago where where he talks about you know,
Speaker 3: this is a different kind of war. He's so good
Speaker 3: in it because there's this like you can see sort
Speaker 3: of clock ticking in his brain. You can see the
Speaker 3: gears going and trying to figure out what the right
Speaker 3: thing to do is even though it's kind of out
Speaker 3: of his control in that sequence, he plays it so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I think he knows how the hierarchy works, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how the rules. He is committed to the rules
Speaker 1: of war. But you do see this little tiny flinches
Speaker 1: of self doubt perhaps, Yeah, which is it's incredible to achieve.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's that scene later on when there when
Speaker 1: they're waiting the verdict and he's getting drunk and he's
Speaker 1: retuting poetry. This thing, it's really beautifully done. And then
Speaker 1: John Waters gives him the option to get away. We
Speaker 1: can have a horse waiting for you. And and this
Speaker 1: is Look, he's gone from being this kind of almost jovial,
Speaker 1: you know, and where a bit jovial because we believe
Speaker 1: that maybe there's two jurors who are becoming sympathetic sense
Speaker 1: Champagne along. And then he gets taken aside and goes, no,
Speaker 1: this is it won't happen. It won't happen.
Speaker 3: That line what does he say, where he goes, you
Speaker 3: can see the world and he goes, I've already already.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that line. And then and
Speaker 1: then he says, you know when you're when you need
Speaker 1: a stiff brandy to jump on a you know, a
Speaker 1: wild rumbry or something, then it's probably time.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's there's something about the Yeah, this
Speaker 3: is the other thing I find because I've done a
Speaker 3: bit of acting in my little comedy shows.
Speaker 1: Actually I met a pot of this earlier that Annie Donnah.
Speaker 1: You guys met at Uni with the mission. You're on
Speaker 1: your way and trying to become like I say, proper
Speaker 1: actice a proper actor now, but you are dramatic actors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. We were like all legit. We
Speaker 3: wore a little black tracksuit pants and all black t
Speaker 3: shirts and walked around him and tried to grow as
Speaker 3: much facial hair as we could at nineteen, and we
Speaker 3: were proper actors. We really wanted to do that. And
Speaker 3: Auntie Donald when we first formed, was always just a
Speaker 3: side project until you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah it happened.
Speaker 3: It happened, and just you know, and someone was like,
Speaker 3: excuse me, get on over onto my tally show, get
Speaker 3: on over, we want to make movies with you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so we were all legit and like I used to
Speaker 3: direct theater and yeah, we're all and yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: We're very serious little people.
Speaker 1: Very serious little people.
Speaker 3: And that was the thing. That's the thing I think
Speaker 3: that you know, you do a bit of acting, and
Speaker 3: you do a bit of stuff because you've done acting
Speaker 3: as well, you're an actor yourself. And what I find
Speaker 3: mind blowing. The thing I cannot like comprehend at all
Speaker 3: is when someone doesn't arc in a story, like when
Speaker 3: someone when you see a character sort of become something
Speaker 3: change over the course of the story because films and
Speaker 3: TV is not shot in order usually, and his performance
Speaker 3: is so good, you see him kind of losing his
Speaker 3: humanity throughout the performance, and so he would have done
Speaker 3: that on different days. How do you know, like how
Speaker 3: much of my humanity had I lost? Have I lost
Speaker 3: at this point in this scene? Like did you have
Speaker 3: a little post it notes? I don't know. Like it's
Speaker 3: quite mind blowing as a performance when you really like
Speaker 3: dig into it, you know.
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. Let's have a listen to what perhaps one
Speaker 1: of the most famous scenes when I feel for me.
Speaker 1: This is one of it because this happens reasonably early
Speaker 1: in the film, when he is put on the stand
Speaker 1: and he's questioned about did this court case happen? Did it?
Speaker 1: Did it look like this? And he gives a wonderful performance.
Speaker 9: It is customary during the war because as many of
Speaker 9: the enemy as possible, And was your court at the
Speaker 9: trial of the constituted in any way like this?
Speaker 6: What rule?
Speaker 3: Did you shoot him under like this?
Speaker 1: I know so.
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't quite like this. No, no, no, sorry,
Speaker 9: it wasn't quite so handsome. And as for rules, we
Speaker 9: didn't care when military manuals around with us. We were
Speaker 9: out on the belt fighting the ball the way he
Speaker 9: fought up. I told you what rule we applied. We
Speaker 9: applied rule three oh three. We caught them and we
Speaker 9: shot them on the rule three oh three.
Speaker 1: So rule three or three refers to the cartridges that
Speaker 1: the British Army use. So in that in that they
Speaker 1: go to a close up of the guns being shot
Speaker 1: and it pans down. It's a beautiful little shot. Directing
Speaker 1: is amazing and this is is incredible and you see
Speaker 1: the three or three kind of carved into the side
Speaker 1: of the guns. Yeah, the rifles. It's it's incredible. Jack
Speaker 1: Thompson wins Best Supporting Actor for his role as Major J. F.
Speaker 1: Thomas in this.
Speaker 3: Jack Thompson man I watched I watched Wake in Freight recently.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So I'm going through a bit of a trainer because
Speaker 3: I if of all the gaps in film knowledge I have,
Speaker 3: I think Australian film is one I'm those sort of
Speaker 3: not ashamed of, but I you know, I feel like
Speaker 3: I want to have seen the films that we did
Speaker 3: alright with overseas. And I watch he's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's so good at acting.
Speaker 9: Yes, the hot takes hot takes right here.
Speaker 3: But it's also just, you know, it's so hard with
Speaker 3: this kind of like it's very heightened language, even though
Speaker 3: it plays naturalism, it's tightaned language. It's from a different time.
Speaker 3: All the characters are really kind of formal, like even
Speaker 3: the Australian accent at that point in time hadn't fully formed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the way he kind of finds something that I
Speaker 3: can recognize in that performance, and he finds that Australian
Speaker 3: kind of personality and character in a performance as that
Speaker 3: kind of accent and cultural identity was still formed.
Speaker 1: It's so good and that role we've seen and I'm
Speaker 1: not sure the genesis of it. I'm not sure there's
Speaker 1: other I'm sure there's probably other law is that maybe
Speaker 1: we're underprepared or kind of is so like he plays
Speaker 1: it because there's a there's a version of this where
Speaker 1: he is Denniston Udo from the Castle and he just
Speaker 1: kind of comes in he's bumbling from the stuff, but
Speaker 1: he actually kind of comes in reasonably hot and kind
Speaker 1: of like no. He commands the room and he kind
Speaker 1: of says, this is serious, you know, And then we
Speaker 1: find out that he's never actually done a trial before.
Speaker 1: There's land conveysing and wills that he doesn't do these
Speaker 1: kinds of cases. But he does have an air of confidence.
Speaker 1: It's only when they walk in the next morning to
Speaker 1: the courtroom where they do a little bit of the
Speaker 1: shuffling of the papers and he's trying to kind of
Speaker 1: catch up, which is understandable because apparently he only got
Speaker 1: the case a couple of days ago, he landed in
Speaker 1: Petersburg that morning or whatever, So yeah, they could have
Speaker 1: really I find it interesting the way they play with
Speaker 1: his confidence, but also I guess his lack of experience.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly right. It's this there's other characters that
Speaker 3: have kind of a journey, but he's someone that comes
Speaker 3: in exactly that he comes in fully formed, he's confident,
Speaker 3: he knows what his role is, he knows what he
Speaker 3: has to do. He's really good at this. He just
Speaker 3: lacks the experience. And that's such a hard thing to
Speaker 3: get right, like to shuffle the papers, but then be
Speaker 3: good on your feet like it's such a and he
Speaker 3: pulls it off amazingly.
Speaker 1: Like he's so good. Let's this is obviously jumping a
Speaker 1: little bit. Let's listen to his closing argument. We obviously
Speaker 1: can't play all of it. It's one of the great
Speaker 1: courtroom speeches of anywhere in the world. Put the cinema.
Speaker 6: The fact of the matter is that war changes men's natures.
Speaker 6: The barbarities of war are seldom committed by abnormal men.
Speaker 6: The tragedy of war is that these horrors are committed
Speaker 6: by normal men in abnormal situations, situations in which the
Speaker 6: ebb and flow of everyday life have departed and have
Speaker 6: been replaced by a constant round fear and anger, blood
Speaker 6: and death. Soldiers at war are not to be judged
Speaker 6: by civilian rules, as the prosecution is attempting to do,
Speaker 6: even though they commit acts which calmly viewed afterwards, could
Speaker 6: only be seen as unchristian and brutal. And if in
Speaker 6: every war, particularly guerrilla war, all the men who committed
Speaker 6: reprisals were to be charged and tried as murderers, court
Speaker 6: martials like this one would be in permanent session, would
Speaker 6: they not. I say that we cannot hope to judge
Speaker 6: such matters unless we ourselves have been submitted to the
Speaker 6: same pressures, the same provocations.
Speaker 3: As these men.
Speaker 6: These actions are on trial.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's beautifully performed, and it just also
Speaker 1: is exactly what the movie is about. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: how do we judge these young, you know, men and
Speaker 1: sometimes women who go to war and are putting it
Speaker 1: in an insane situation? And obviously there does need to
Speaker 1: be a line somewhere. Yeah, it needs to be a line.
Speaker 1: You know, we obviously, but where is that line? Who
Speaker 1: judges where that line is?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And it's like almost the like the barbarity of war.
Speaker 3: I think that's what this film plays with so much,
Speaker 3: is the idea of you know, when you do when
Speaker 3: you fight a war like this, or when you fight
Speaker 3: a war full stop, you've already crossed the line. There's
Speaker 3: almost this the line has already been crossed. And then
Speaker 3: we try to keep these ideas of civility to get
Speaker 3: a bit like heavy about it. But it's like we
Speaker 3: we send young people off to die sometimes for kind
Speaker 3: of really pointless reasons, and then we say, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 3: the line was here, not there. It was like, well, us,
Speaker 3: maybe us as a society sending those young people over
Speaker 3: there to die, we cross the line, and maybe we
Speaker 3: need to look into you know, I think that the
Speaker 3: film questions that I.
Speaker 1: Think really beautifully absolutely Brian Brown is so important in
Speaker 1: this role. He plays Peter Hancock, Lieutenant Peter Hancock, and
Speaker 1: he gives it levity in a movie that you would
Speaker 1: not expect there to be any levity, and he just
Speaker 1: he's got some just cracking lines in some of his
Speaker 1: interjections with the witnesses are just brilliant. Yeah, this just
Speaker 1: seems like really dark gallows literally almost gallows humor, where yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're building the coffins next door on the wall
Speaker 1: on the other side, they can actually hear their coffins
Speaker 1: being built. And you know, I think he says they
Speaker 1: could have measured us first, and I think break them
Speaker 1: around says, well, I don't imagine they've had many complaints,
Speaker 1: There's all these lovel lines, but he he's a really
Speaker 1: enjoyable presence in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. I think I loved as well, just
Speaker 3: like his little almost Benny Hill moment like where were
Speaker 3: you when this like war crime happened? And then it's
Speaker 3: just this little like Benny Hill sequence where he's like
Speaker 3: sleeping with all. I'm like, yeah, let's get that intact.
Speaker 3: Three guys come on. That was fantastic.
Speaker 1: There are some moments when the particularly with the English,
Speaker 1: you know, the people putting them on trial, so you
Speaker 1: got you know, it's a Lord Kitchener and the prosecutor
Speaker 1: and Bud Tingwell, who's it's actually got a funny watching
Speaker 1: it knowing these guys are Australian, yeah, and doing the
Speaker 1: mustache twirling kind of English you know, the enemy thing.
Speaker 1: But there's there's there's there's some scenes that almost dip
Speaker 1: into Monty Python. Yeah, remembecause Undy Python have maybe parody
Speaker 1: this kind of time in history and this period of
Speaker 1: history that your brain goes there a little bit. But
Speaker 1: there were some times where it's like and there was
Speaker 1: around that time where he's talking about I visited, and
Speaker 1: it's like have you visited visited. You visited, What do
Speaker 1: you mean visited? I visited and my visitor gets mentioned
Speaker 1: like eight times in eight seconds.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hilarious, and.
Speaker 3: Just this idea that they're talking about like the most
Speaker 3: terrific things humans can do. But god forbid, they talk
Speaker 3: about sex. Oh my goodness, my vapors.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so British.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say Lieutenant Hancock's morality is not on trial here,
Speaker 1: and Bud ting Well says, oh, I finally it was.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: There is a very funny moment. We doesn't not do
Speaker 1: Brian Brown, but I just found them. It's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be funny. But there's a bit where they're getting
Speaker 1: the translated, the translate into Dutch, I guess, and he
Speaker 1: wants to know his name. He goes, what's your name?
Speaker 1: Please translate and that guy goes, what's your numb You
Speaker 1: probably could have gotten there.
Speaker 3: You probably could have figured that out. Guy.
Speaker 1: That's great Brian Brown. This time in Austraina Fielming, I
Speaker 1: think you had this. Gallipoli came out maybe the same
Speaker 1: year Mad Max come out. The year after incredible moment.
Speaker 1: There was a real it was a really magical I
Speaker 1: think a lot I've had to do a government investment.
Speaker 3: It was like I've I've heard a little bit about
Speaker 3: it was Guff Whitlam, I think just went crazy and
Speaker 3: it was just like you can have all the money
Speaker 3: and it just and it's amazing the amount of great
Speaker 3: stuff that came out.
Speaker 1: And it kind of went through basically from the late
Speaker 1: seventies into up until the ninth up until Muriels and
Speaker 1: kind of Priscilla right there, and that's kind of went
Speaker 1: a little dried up. And then you got John Waters
Speaker 1: is great. You got Lewis Fitzgerald who plays George Witten,
Speaker 1: who doesn't seem to do a lot, but I think,
Speaker 1: I think what he does towards the end, he does
Speaker 1: a couple of things.
Speaker 3: He the young the young guy, young guy on tal Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was great.
Speaker 1: Is the moral conscience, you know, he is the one
Speaker 1: kind of saying, are you're sure? And he's caught between
Speaker 1: the two who are you know, the two groups in
Speaker 1: a way and the Elf Stewart and the Chris Hayward
Speaker 1: group who were saying this is wrong, this is wrong,
Speaker 1: but also you know, following orders on this side and
Speaker 1: this we're in a war and being they even ask
Speaker 1: him you can you can you have a word? Can
Speaker 1: have words to them. In fact, there's a great moment
Speaker 1: where he confronts I think it's a handcock. Actually, so
Speaker 1: let's let's have listened to this. You've got to get
Speaker 1: a firing squad together, Peter, all right, it's wrong to
Speaker 1: make me know it.
Speaker 5: Don't argue that with me, mate, I just follow orders. Hey,
Speaker 5: look at this, I got these from that line.
Speaker 1: Dumb dumbs.
Speaker 5: Ever seen what they can to do?
Speaker 1: Put a neat little hole here and at the back boom,
Speaker 1: oh gone nothing.
Speaker 5: Don't talk to me about what's right or wrong.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really.
Speaker 1: The job of it keeps making you question your own
Speaker 1: thoughts about war. And every time you think you've settled
Speaker 1: on an opinion that you think, oh this is wrong,
Speaker 1: this is wrong, and then you're going to get that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna Yeah, they mutilated cap'n Hunt's body. They're using
Speaker 1: these bullets. Aren't like it's it's it's a fight for survival.
Speaker 1: Like we know what war is. But then when we
Speaker 1: actually kind of have to think about it, that's when
Speaker 1: we all get a bit like.
Speaker 3: Ah, and I think it's very it's very you know,
Speaker 3: we get sometimes really caught up with these sorts of conversations,
Speaker 3: and I think this film really captures the complexity of it,
Speaker 3: you know, where it's like he's war all entirely good,
Speaker 3: where we almost lump soldiers in with the thing they're fighting,
Speaker 3: and we kind of go like, I'm against war, thus
Speaker 3: I'm against all of it, or I'm for war, so
Speaker 3: for all of it. And it's like, well, you know what,
Speaker 3: you can be against something, but you can see that
Speaker 3: these people might be victims of the system as much
Speaker 3: as anyone else, you know, you know, it's not it's
Speaker 3: not like the richest, most upper class people. It's not
Speaker 3: like you know, you had like John Curtin in their shooting.
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's really complex about these sorts of things.
Speaker 3: And I think that character in particular, that that kid
Speaker 3: what was the what was his name, George, George. I
Speaker 3: feel like it's interesting because the film's called Breaking Morant
Speaker 3: and he's kind of in my in my mind, maybe
Speaker 3: third in terms of what the core of this story is.
Speaker 3: And I think it really is Jack Thompson's character and
Speaker 3: his character that are the sort of moral core of
Speaker 3: the film, Like he really is just a kid that's
Speaker 3: caught in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like you've got you've got the experience,
Speaker 1: you know, soldier in Breaking Morant, You've got the rogue
Speaker 1: in Peter Hancock and the and the youth. You know
Speaker 1: that the symbol of these kids that we send away
Speaker 1: who have not really even thought about what they're there for,
Speaker 1: or have been sold a lemon, you have been sold
Speaker 1: something like that. When he realized that that Harry Breaking
Speaker 1: Morant doesn't potentially even believe in the British Empire, He's like, what.
Speaker 3: Are we fighting for this kid who doesn't really know
Speaker 3: what's going on? And he gets thrown in the middle
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Because you forget that this was sold as an adventure
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. This was a go see
Speaker 1: the world. These are people, you know, Brian Brown, characters
Speaker 1: running from poverty, you know, and so they would never
Speaker 1: be able to jump on a boat to go you
Speaker 1: see the world. This is the opportunity for adventure.
Speaker 3: I think that sometimes. I remember because I grew up
Speaker 3: in a country town and there's always a sort of
Speaker 3: memorial in the middle of every country town for the
Speaker 3: soldiers that died, and I often think about that it's
Speaker 3: exactly what you're saying, this idea that the world was
Speaker 3: so big in those days, it was so big, and
Speaker 3: you've got these people, like the idea that someone people
Speaker 3: didn't even leave their town, like they didn't even go
Speaker 3: to the city, you know. And then there's these people
Speaker 3: that went to Europe and the Middle East, and they
Speaker 3: went to Africa, and they went to just completely all
Speaker 3: over the world, saw horrific things also probably really beautiful things,
Speaker 3: and then came back to these lives in this little
Speaker 3: country town like that would have really messed with them.
Speaker 3: I can imagine, you know, like absolutely yeah, I can't
Speaker 3: imagine how crazy that would have been.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a wave of after the World War One.
Speaker 1: I've learned about this recently. After World War One, there
Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of people who it kind of
Speaker 1: it was a real watershed moment for mental mental illness
Speaker 1: in a way, because before then insanity was seen as
Speaker 1: a as hereditary Yeah. Wow, so this is the first
Speaker 1: time this world war World War One. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's probably science if people were actually looking for them.
Speaker 1: After the Baar was where people were coming back, men
Speaker 1: who were previously fine, but there's coming back broken and
Speaker 1: there's shells of themselves. So this is and this is
Speaker 1: the other thing that's really interesting about this film is
Speaker 1: this and they make they make a real thing of
Speaker 1: it all the way through. This is not new. This
Speaker 1: is a new kind of war, Like this is not
Speaker 1: sword fighting in a field, you know, this is actually dirty,
Speaker 1: dirty tactics, which is which is something that needs to
Speaker 1: be considered when you look at the methods and strategies
Speaker 1: that they adopted, because they this is the first time
Speaker 1: the word commando ever appears. Yeah wow, And and it's
Speaker 1: a bore word, you know.
Speaker 3: You look at it as well, like the link between
Speaker 3: you talk about the jump from sword to gun and
Speaker 3: like now we're talking about drones. You know, the idea
Speaker 3: that someone can be sitting in a little shed outside
Speaker 3: of Nevada and doing these things and they never go
Speaker 3: to the place. And it is really interesting that that
Speaker 3: shift kind of happens around this time where it's you're
Speaker 3: no longer one on one And as soon as that happened,
Speaker 3: like it's that thing with World War One, how they
Speaker 3: were calling it the war to end wars, Like by
Speaker 3: all accounts, I probably should have been like we should
Speaker 3: have just gone Ah, it's not. We're not really doing
Speaker 3: one for one anymore. Like we should maybe wrap this up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because it is wild to think that it's
Speaker 3: just like it's.
Speaker 1: Well, trench warfare wasn't a thing until the World War One.
Speaker 1: That World War One, there's a new kind of war
Speaker 1: and the heavy artillery. The term shell shocked. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: invented because the World War One. Because there's new sounds
Speaker 1: that they're hearing. It's not like they're not the knaise
Speaker 1: of horses and the clinks of swords. Is there's a whole,
Speaker 1: the heavy artillery, the bombing, you know, it's it's a whole,
Speaker 1: the whole. Yeah, that's only twenty years after this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the rate at which you know, military can
Speaker 1: move and the technology and weaponry is incredible and scary.
Speaker 3: It is that thing like you look at older movies
Speaker 3: like where they would like ride up and I don't
Speaker 3: know if this is more movies. Maybe wars were always
Speaker 3: like this, but I feel like in those old movies
Speaker 3: set in like medieval times, where they'd ride up and
Speaker 3: be like, hello, well we're going to kill each other
Speaker 3: and he finally works. You know, it's like it is
Speaker 3: very Yeah, that idea of just like you go somewhere
Speaker 3: and for six months you think you might die every second,
Speaker 3: and then you come home and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, why are they what's wrong? What's with Darren?
Speaker 3: It seems a little lough like, yeah, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: That's what's wild to me is that they took him
Speaker 3: a minute to be like what he doesn't have hereditary.
Speaker 1: I don't see this connection because Darren was fine and
Speaker 1: then he went to war and lived in a ditch
Speaker 1: for three years being bombed every day and shot at
Speaker 1: and he's come back and it's like he's not what
Speaker 1: he's like, He's a different Darren.
Speaker 3: It's a bit weird. It's a bit weird to the
Speaker 3: idea that like a psychologist would have been like, I
Speaker 3: think there's something here.
Speaker 1: If what happened between when Darren left and when Darren
Speaker 1: came back. I think if you look at that, you'll
Speaker 1: find your antiaty.
Speaker 3: There's something here again.
Speaker 1: This film again, and a lot of I've speak on
Speaker 1: this podcast films from the seventies will not always have
Speaker 1: their like protagonist be heroes, and they make them murky.
Speaker 1: You have in lots of different ways. And I thought
Speaker 1: one of the toughest moments here was when after Hancocks
Speaker 1: had his Benny Hill moment and you know, the lovely
Speaker 1: little montage of you know him, you know, visiting local ladies.
Speaker 1: And but then so you think, okay, so they're innocent, right,
Speaker 1: like they couldn't be there, And then we have this
Speaker 1: moment between Lieutenant George Whitten and and Hancock and break
Speaker 1: the morant and it's basically is a confession.
Speaker 6: Who did kill the machine?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 8: What about your lady friends?
Speaker 4: That was later it's Major Thomas.
Speaker 8: No, no, he's not going to them.
Speaker 5: But we've always told the truth.
Speaker 9: Major Thomas has been pleading, justifying circumstances, and now we're
Speaker 9: just lying.
Speaker 3: Well, what about them?
Speaker 9: It's nobody's secret our guys have done to day.
Speaker 3: They arrested us at Fort Edward.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but killing a missionary, Peter.
Speaker 1: It's a new kind of war, George.
Speaker 8: It's a new war for a new century. I suppose
Speaker 8: this is the first time the enemy hasn't been in uniform.
Speaker 8: They're farmers, They're people from small towns. They shoot at
Speaker 8: us from houses and from paddocks. Some of them are women,
Speaker 8: some of them are children, and some of them are Missionaries, George.
Speaker 1: It's so brutal, and it's I feel like in movies
Speaker 1: we hold up the truth to be the most importan
Speaker 1: a thing, and we expect our heroes and our protagonists
Speaker 1: to always tell the truth. Whether it's maybe they're having
Speaker 1: an affair, okay, well you know, tell the truth.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's it's you know, killing somebody. You know,
Speaker 1: come on, tell the truth, confess you know. So we
Speaker 1: kind of often wait for that moment. But in real
Speaker 1: life sometimes we will lie our way out of situations,
Speaker 1: you know, and so, but we movies, we don't have
Speaker 1: that same expectation. We expect the characters, the good characters,
Speaker 1: to tell the truth, the fact that they are being
Speaker 1: openly you know, discussing the fact they are lying their
Speaker 1: way through this trial to a degree, there's things they
Speaker 1: are being honest about, but in the you know, they
Speaker 1: are the guilty of the crime.
Speaker 3: If that feels almost like a twist on the whole movie,
Speaker 3: even though it's only one moment and one it feels
Speaker 3: like almost what I was getting out at the start
Speaker 3: about you have to watch a whole film to really
Speaker 3: appraise what it's saying. Because I think if you would
Speaker 3: watch that this movie. Up until just before this, you
Speaker 3: might think it's a very clean cut story about a
Speaker 3: group of good Aussie boys who get done dirty by
Speaker 3: the British Empire. And that moment you just see that
Speaker 3: it's so much more complex, because you do you want
Speaker 3: when you watch a movie, you want the kind of
Speaker 3: answer to come. You know, you want that like, oh good,
Speaker 3: the moment when you realize he didn't do it, because
Speaker 3: that's the worst crime of all of them everything else.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh God, if I was there, maybe I
Speaker 3: could see how you're in the heat of the moment
Speaker 3: and then that crime that they're talking about is just bad.
Speaker 3: That's a bad thing to do. I was so relieved
Speaker 3: when I found out he didn't do it, when he
Speaker 3: had an alibi. I was so relieved because I thought, Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, I can work out what this film is saying.
Speaker 3: And then that moment happens and you're just like, I
Speaker 3: got to think about.
Speaker 1: This, is you've ridden a long way to commit this crime.
Speaker 1: The missionary he's leaving is in his horse and cart.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know historically if this missionary was you know,
Speaker 1: like just a missionary, or was you know, was he
Speaker 1: also fighting, like breaking around suggests did they doint that that?
Speaker 1: They're probably guessing you know, so, Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a brutal thing to think about. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it just keeps on challenging your your thoughts about war,
Speaker 1: your expectations of what soldiers are allowed to do and how,
Speaker 1: And it's an uncomfortable thing to want to impress on somebody.
Speaker 1: This is we're going to send you to war with
Speaker 1: murky instructions and good luck, we'll be here to judge
Speaker 1: you when you when you get back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's very I think it's also just
Speaker 3: a love. I think that the thing I've always thought
Speaker 3: this is back in my theater days. I'm so glad
Speaker 3: you brought that up. I remember I was putting on
Speaker 3: a little play in La Mama, and I remember I
Speaker 3: was working with someone on that and they kept being like,
Speaker 3: what are you trying to say? What are you trying
Speaker 3: to say with this play? And I remember just being like,
Speaker 3: if I can, if I can answer that question, I'll
Speaker 3: write an essay. If I can tell you exactly the
Speaker 3: answer clearly, concisely, I'll write an essay. I'll give it
Speaker 3: to you I'll tell you right now. But I think
Speaker 3: the purpose of art is to delve into stuff we
Speaker 3: can't say cleanly with words, and I think this is
Speaker 3: a great film.
Speaker 1: It's to raise questions. I think. Yeah, it's funny when
Speaker 1: people have asked me, what are you trying to say here?
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm just exploring something. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: exclamation point. It's not like and this is what I
Speaker 1: think is like, No, this is I'm just raising some
Speaker 1: questions about you know, whatever it might be. And that's
Speaker 1: what I think. I think people make the mistake of
Speaker 1: going no, you don't need to have the answers. You
Speaker 1: just need to I think, raise questions and explore and
Speaker 1: let people watching your audience they may kind of different conclusions,
Speaker 1: and that's okay if you're if your purpose is to
Speaker 1: have your audience arrive at the exact same destination.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, why did we spend two hours? Like
Speaker 3: why did we write all these characters? Why did we
Speaker 3: go to these places to film this? If you could
Speaker 3: just tell me what you wanted to say, do you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? If you could just say to me, oh,
Speaker 3: these are the goodies, they're the bad It's like, why
Speaker 3: are we making the film in the first place. And
Speaker 3: I think that's something that every time I watch something
Speaker 3: that's a little bit older, I see that kind of
Speaker 3: complexity and that that and I think that still exists
Speaker 3: in TV. But in the bigger films sometimes they lose that.
Speaker 3: The big movies, they lose that.
Speaker 1: Well, you look at a film that kind of exists
Speaker 1: in this world. You know a few good men, you know,
Speaker 1: Tom Bruise and Jack Nicholson, and that's all about a
Speaker 1: couple of soldiers who followed orders. You know that somebody
Speaker 1: ordered the code read you know, but it's done in
Speaker 1: a way that's more palatable because you you know, you
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, and Tom Cruise gets gets it
Speaker 1: out of famously, Jack Nicholson, did you order the code
Speaker 1: rad you bet you're outside, did you know? And he
Speaker 1: it's a very clear that he gave that instruction. Here
Speaker 1: we still don't know historically, we still don't know. There's
Speaker 1: no evidence that Lord Kitchener gave this, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: this order, but we don't know what breaking morand was told. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're told by your commanding officer, you know you're
Speaker 1: not You're not having that conversation with Lord Kitchener that
Speaker 1: gets handed down through the hierarchy and it gets to you.
Speaker 1: So it's it's really, it's really, it's really complicated. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's did you know before you watch this film, like,
Speaker 1: did you have an image of it? Did you have
Speaker 1: the because the closing scene of the execution scene is
Speaker 1: is quite iconic.
Speaker 3: Do you know that wasn't the one that when when
Speaker 3: I think, when I thought of breaking Around, I thought
Speaker 3: of the courtroom scenes. That's the stuff that sticks with me.
Speaker 3: Is that kind of you know, the split focus and
Speaker 3: that image of people in that courtroom. That's what I
Speaker 3: think of, and that's what I thought it was. I
Speaker 3: thought it was entirely in the courtroom. But no, that
Speaker 3: final thing, that final sequence, I didn't know about and
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen. So it was very special to see
Speaker 3: that kind of for the first time. It's pretty amazing,
Speaker 3: like beautiful, so beautiful, and I think so much more
Speaker 3: beautiful because the rest of the film isn't shot like that.
Speaker 3: The rest of the film is quite it's beautiful, but
Speaker 3: it's quite kind of middle of the day yep. Interestingly shot,
Speaker 3: but pretty kind of almost pragmatically shot. It's all very
Speaker 3: courtroom and then that final sequence is just really beautiful,
Speaker 3: really like sad and beautiful, and I love that contrast.
Speaker 1: Toally they knock it out of the park. Let's let's
Speaker 1: have a listen. There are a final clip.
Speaker 3: It's it's.
Speaker 1: Before they go to that. Let's just have a quick
Speaker 1: listen to because it's it's again another bit of finding
Speaker 1: little little bit of humor. This is as on their way.
Speaker 1: They've been let out of their cells too, and they're
Speaker 1: asked if they were like a prayer or something similar.
Speaker 1: John de Padre, No, thank you. I'm a pagan and jew.
Speaker 7: What's a pagan?
Speaker 8: It's somebody who doesn't believe there's a divine being dispensing
Speaker 8: justice to mankind.
Speaker 5: I'm a pagan too.
Speaker 3: There is an.
Speaker 8: Epitaph i'd like Matthew ten thirty six. L Right, gentlemen, Well, Peter,
Speaker 8: this is what comes of empire building.
Speaker 3: A few ten thirty six.
Speaker 6: And a man's social bedet of his own household.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, it's there's some fun with Brian Brown,
Speaker 1: even though the tragedy of that is it reminds how
Speaker 1: young he is. He doesn't know what a pagan is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even he hasn't even you know, had enough
Speaker 1: life experience to kind of work out where he might stand.
Speaker 1: Is he an atheist? Is he agnostic? Is he religious?
Speaker 1: You know, he's dying before he discovers his own god,
Speaker 1: if you like. And then yeah, the reading is quite
Speaker 1: telling as far as get the exact words of basically
Speaker 1: a foe. They're being killed by their own I think here,
Speaker 1: so they get moved off and this is I think
Speaker 1: one of the most stunning sequences in Australian cinema and
Speaker 1: maybe world cinema as well. This is they walk off.
Speaker 1: There's some poetry being read. They walk off at sunset sunrise, sorry,
Speaker 1: and Edward Woodwood puts his hand out and Brian brand
Speaker 1: Moss immediately takes it. And this was improvised. But then
Speaker 1: after they did it and they agreed that let's keep
Speaker 1: doing that, they discovered that break him around actually did
Speaker 1: that when he walked off to be executed. They have hands. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so one of those little magical movie moments. But let's
Speaker 1: have a listen to this fine sequence.
Speaker 5: It really aimed the place. No time to reel off
Speaker 5: rhyming diction, but yet we will write a final rhyme
Speaker 5: while waiting Crucifixion, for we bequeath A parting tip of
Speaker 5: sound advice for such men who come across in transport
Speaker 5: ships to polish off the dutch Men. If you encounter
Speaker 5: any bores, you really must not loot them. And if
Speaker 5: you wish to leave these shores for pity's sake, don't
Speaker 5: shoot them. Let's toss a bumper down our throat before
Speaker 5: we pass to heaven and toast the trimset petticoat we
Speaker 5: leave behind in Devon.
Speaker 9: Shoot straight your pastwards, don't make a mess of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so, It's inch perfect, it really is.
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing you would change about that. I was
Speaker 1: watching it. I've said it many times. The only thing
Speaker 1: I thought i'd watching it was when they walk off.
Speaker 1: There is a soldier that's kind of walking behind him,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I wonder if they thought
Speaker 1: like getting the shooting one take where he's out of frame,
Speaker 1: or just like, yeah, a little bit further across. I
Speaker 1: was getting really nip picking. I've seen it many times.
Speaker 3: That's the thing as well, with the sunset, they would
Speaker 3: like they would have had a very short amount of
Speaker 3: yeah film, Yeah, like I've definitely wanted to get that
Speaker 3: shot for like comedy things in the past, and it's like, right,
Speaker 3: too late, we missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right. So they might have done a take
Speaker 1: where it's like, can you guys walk a little bit quicker?
Speaker 1: How about like a little jaunty jog to the chair,
Speaker 1: the one version where you just run as fast as
Speaker 1: you can to the chairs. It's a good point, really
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just like that, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, geez, I feel sorry for the assistant
Speaker 3: director trying to organize this.
Speaker 1: One of the things I had to go back right
Speaker 1: at the start of the film before we wrap up
Speaker 1: is one thing I really liked was that they have
Speaker 1: the title card and some words to explain the Ball
Speaker 1: War and all that. But obviously it's a very complex situation,
Speaker 1: so I like that they actually just owned the complexity
Speaker 1: of it by they said the issues were complex, but
Speaker 1: basically the ball was wanted independence from England.
Speaker 3: I loved that so much.
Speaker 1: It was so it was so excellent. It was really like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going to explain the whole the politics of
Speaker 1: the Ball War in the title card at the start
Speaker 1: of a movie.
Speaker 3: So thank you for not, and thank you also for
Speaker 3: not just own Like I've never seen a title card
Speaker 3: acknowledge its own existence.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go a bit hush, a bit
Speaker 1: of hush.
Speaker 3: I loved as well that. I loved it as well
Speaker 3: because I think it sort of puts you in a
Speaker 3: place where you're like, I don't know a lot about
Speaker 3: the Ball War, and I love that they were like, look,
Speaker 3: there's lots more than this. Yeah, we're not trying to
Speaker 3: reduce it down. We're just talking about a.
Speaker 1: Little bit of it. Yeah, it really is. It's ahead
Speaker 1: of its time. Glo. We're not Yeah, we're not. This
Speaker 1: is not everything to everyone.
Speaker 3: We're not covering the whole thing, just this bit basically
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know there are other people who fought in
Speaker 1: the Bull War as well. We can't cover all of them.
Speaker 1: I do love that.
Speaker 3: I love the idea of a title card that is
Speaker 3: more like just a catch up because you're on the
Speaker 3: toilet for the first team. Okay, so basically he's.
Speaker 1: Previously on the ball War. I did love that. Here
Speaker 1: is some fun facts before we finish up. It was
Speaker 1: filmed in South Australia.
Speaker 3: It's wondering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the South Australian Film Corporation had a real stellar
Speaker 1: runs and apologies. I don't know more recently how active
Speaker 1: they've been, but they were really fact I think Brice
Speaker 1: Beresford had a three picture deal with them. This was
Speaker 1: the second one. The next one was The Club, which
Speaker 1: assually've seen The Club, which is based on the Colling
Speaker 1: football Club. We covered that with Ben Lee earlier on
Speaker 1: this podcast. But yeah, he's shot in South Australia and
Speaker 1: it looks you know, the apparently one of the first
Speaker 1: movie shot in Australia but based overseas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. I was wondering if it was
Speaker 3: because I was like, this looks Australian, but every colony
Speaker 3: kind of looks the same. Yeah, make it look like
Speaker 3: this vague dry version of England's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it is South Africa. Yeah, want to run
Speaker 1: of Reagan's favorite films? Apparently, there you go. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure how we.
Speaker 3: Feel about that, but I think Ronald Reagan got it.
Speaker 3: She watched it later in his life. Get her out
Speaker 3: to that last twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: The other thing, despite of being anti British, apparently the
Speaker 1: Queen watched it and really enjoyed it. Prince Charles. I
Speaker 1: think maybe her husband you recommend that you watch it,
Speaker 1: and they enjoyed it, and again maybe missed some of
Speaker 1: the most what.
Speaker 3: A mystery she was like who knows. Yeah, she could
Speaker 3: have been the most like cool, chill person ever, or
Speaker 3: she could have been like super conservative.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such a like it's funny that we
Speaker 1: don't really know what her viewpoint wise, you know, on
Speaker 1: these you know matters, like you know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you more radical people would argue, well, you could have
Speaker 1: torn the British and by down, you know, you could
Speaker 1: have ended it. You could have ended it. It's a
Speaker 1: very hard thing to do, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: wish we I hope we become a republic one day.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she did a pretty incredible job of not
Speaker 1: of almost as being the face.
Speaker 3: Like six thousands of the six seasons of the Crown
Speaker 3: is isn't it just it's just the season of like
Speaker 3: I can't say, I'd love to say, and this.
Speaker 1: Was the first I was film sold to China. There
Speaker 1: you go. There's a lot of so great fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is the Avatar of the Great.
Speaker 1: There will be eight sequels they're filming now, as well, Zach,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Mate. You are extremely busy right now.
Speaker 1: I know what it's like to be in post production
Speaker 1: of a project, and I'm not sure if I would
Speaker 1: have agreed to be on a podcast. I have hassled
Speaker 1: you for it a little while. We've been close getting
Speaker 1: this done a couple of times. But I'm glad we
Speaker 1: have got it done for this film, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big one the process, and you've
Speaker 1: watched it this morning and we've had I think I
Speaker 1: love that chat. It's been great.
Speaker 3: It's been yeah, No, thank you so much. This is
Speaker 3: such a good one too. Like I said, I'm going
Speaker 3: to start on a bit of a watching Australian film journey,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad I started on a classy one because
Speaker 3: I watch some of the more trashy eighties late, so
Speaker 3: I'm glad I can kind of fold in the fancy
Speaker 3: ones too.
Speaker 1: You know, well you are fancy ones. I got two
Speaker 1: words of Crocodile dundee. It's a sleeper hit. You may
Speaker 1: not have heard about it. Have you seen a big steal?
Speaker 1: No big deal is like exists kind of on its
Speaker 1: own in a way, like it's I guess It's Puberty
Speaker 1: Blues kind of went there as well, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this. It's it's Mendo, it's Ben Mendlsir, It's
Speaker 1: Claudia Carvin, It's Steve Bisley, and it's it's one of
Speaker 1: the few movies it's just about a teenager trying to
Speaker 1: find some love and buys a card. So it's a
Speaker 1: very simple story, but it feels like an American plot line.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that to be critical. It's actually
Speaker 1: just sometimes austrained movies are either digging deep into our
Speaker 1: past and this is actually like contemporary for its time
Speaker 1: and just a sweet story. And it's it's yeah, about
Speaker 1: a calf, the Big Steal.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I watched recently that I'd love
Speaker 3: to fold into the Australian sort of thing is road Games?
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen road Games? No? Fold that into this,
Speaker 3: Get someone to watch road Games? Also, have you said, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: Derek his head, Derek's head amazing. It's like it's like
Speaker 3: rear window in a truck. So it's a guy driving
Speaker 3: a truck across the nullabor and he sees different cars
Speaker 3: and Jamie Lee Curtis is in it. Like the two
Speaker 3: leads are American. It's the most like amazing little genre film.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic, which.
Speaker 1: Had borne out also before you leave. But you you
Speaker 1: have your own screenings for movies where you tell us
Speaker 1: about that. Because my son and his mates went to
Speaker 1: one not that long ago. I hope love that Love
Speaker 1: movie was. It was a few months ago, but they
Speaker 1: loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I do every month at the Lido the
Speaker 3: second Friday of every month, the Leado in Hawthorne, I
Speaker 3: just screen. It's called the Fun Time Film Club and
Speaker 3: I just screen fun film. So sometimes they're the really
Speaker 3: bad so bad it's good genre, which I kind of
Speaker 3: disagree with. I could go into that. Usually when people
Speaker 3: say something so bad it's good, what they mean is
Speaker 3: it's really really good and really bad shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then sometimes it's just really fun. So we've done
Speaker 3: I think Man and Robin needs to be reappraised as
Speaker 3: the camp classic. It is, so I show that like
Speaker 3: once a year. Super Mario Brothers the movie I've shown
Speaker 3: a bunch of times with my friend Mish. But I've
Speaker 3: also done Fast in the Furious Seven.
Speaker 1: Which is do you have to see the first six
Speaker 1: to appreciate seven.
Speaker 3: I watched the first six. I've only up until this screening,
Speaker 3: I'd only ever watched the odd numbered ones, So it
Speaker 3: was a bit like reverse Star Trek, you know, the
Speaker 3: Star Trek thing that the even number ones are good.
Speaker 3: Wrath of carn is good, and I believe it's the
Speaker 3: reverse with the Fast and the Furious franchise. One, three, five, seven.
Speaker 3: Those are the ones that you want to see, and
Speaker 3: up until that point, I hadn't seen the other ones,
Speaker 3: and I watched the other ones in preparation for this screening,
Speaker 3: and I think I enjoyed it a little bit less
Speaker 3: because I think there's some I would say, watch the
Speaker 3: first one, yep, where they are sort of small time
Speaker 3: criminals trying to steal DVD machines DVD players from the
Speaker 3: back of the and then skip it and then suddenly
Speaker 3: now they're superspies that use cars.
Speaker 1: Instead of.
Speaker 3: Just I think it's so much more of an emotional
Speaker 3: journey if you have no idea, just one of the
Speaker 3: greatest movies.
Speaker 1: I love that, I love it. I love it. I
Speaker 1: think Tokyo Drift was the last one I saw that
Speaker 1: one mate, Thank you so much. You are bloody hilarious.
Speaker 1: Check out Arnie Donna, check out Zach's Instagram page, anything
Speaker 1: anywhere you can take what these guys are doing in
Speaker 1: I mentioned all of it at the start, and of
Speaker 1: course the Christmas book, which is a more than the
Speaker 1: stocking filler. I think, thank you a little bit of Pud.
Speaker 1: What's the official title, Always Room, Always for Christmas? Pud.
Speaker 1: It is a sketch that I don't know who came
Speaker 1: up with it, who committed first to it, but has
Speaker 1: become it has become the Crocodile Dune, thee of Australian
Speaker 1: sketch comedy. It is exploded and now it's immortalized in
Speaker 1: a Christmas books. It's actually stunningly gorgeously realized.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you you No we put that sketch was
Speaker 3: all built around the fact that I thought the word
Speaker 3: pud was funny, in the fact that British people say
Speaker 3: pud seriously. Five years later, we spent months in lockdown,
Speaker 3: going back and forth in then editor writing this book
Speaker 3: way too much, way too much effort for a sketch
Speaker 3: that took him.
Speaker 1: Half a day.
Speaker 3: Ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But often these are things that you just put out there,
Speaker 1: as opposed to things where you work and you try
Speaker 1: to craft and you try to get perfect. You think, oh,
Speaker 1: nobody was into that, okay, but no, it's always room
Speaker 1: for a bit of put it in your stockings and
Speaker 1: get it for Christmas. Zach thanks so much of your time.
Speaker 3: Mate, Thank you, thanks so much to the scene.
Speaker 1: That was fun, and there was a chance that it
Speaker 1: might not have been fun, because Break Him Around, as
Speaker 1: a beautiful film as it is, is not necessarily a
Speaker 1: fun film. And it is interesting sometimes when you have
Speaker 1: people who you wouldn't necessarily expect to be into something
Speaker 1: like Breaking Around, or you know, I mean I could
Speaker 1: have just chosen an actor or a director, you know,
Speaker 1: like a serious thespian. But it's interesting sometimes I think
Speaker 1: to see another side of the performers that we love.
Speaker 1: So for Zachary to come in and be really honest
Speaker 1: and engaged and and and and open with his his
Speaker 1: thoughts on Breaking Around, I thought it was really special
Speaker 1: and really cool. I hope you did too. Like I said,
Speaker 1: always room for Christmas. Pod, a beautiful little Christmas book
Speaker 1: is out now. So if you're looking for a last
Speaker 1: minute stocking filler or to make your it actually, if
Speaker 1: you're like a teenage kids are going if you give
Speaker 1: them that book, you will get a certain amount of
Speaker 1: cool credits. I think like just like mention it to them,
Speaker 1: just buy it, put it in their stocking. Thank me later,
Speaker 1: trust me. Okay. My right hand man, Derek Myers some
Speaker 1: Casway Studios dot com dot au is here. If you
Speaker 1: want to get your podcasts off the ground, Derek is
Speaker 1: demand the chat two. Derek. I'm very excited. We have
Speaker 1: been a little bit behind because you've been doing a
Speaker 1: great job patching this together. Often record the episodes and
Speaker 1: then our outros separately. My schedule has been a bit
Speaker 1: crazy recently, so you've done an amazing job. But let's
Speaker 1: catch up on a few speak pipes. How does that sound?
Speaker 2: Yep? Perfect? Who we got I We'll start with Michelle.
Speaker 1: And here we go.
Speaker 3: Hi, Pete.
Speaker 4: Really loving your podcasts. It'd be great if someone could
Speaker 4: do the Brother Groomsby. They haven't watched it yet. Absolutely
Speaker 4: love that. Got so many laughs. Anyway, keep up the
Speaker 4: good work, great podcasts.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, Michelle. I was I
Speaker 1: got to say Brother Grimsby request was not on my
Speaker 1: bingo card. It's for those who don't know Sessha Baron
Speaker 1: Cohen funny anything. When this came out, actually, and I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the film as well. Is it a classic?
Speaker 1: Doesn't belong on the list. It's a tricky one. It
Speaker 1: probably didn't. He wasn't one of his bigger hits. But hey,
Speaker 1: I will. I mean, comedy is hard. Comedy is so hard, Derek,
Speaker 1: because we've even when people come and do comedies, I
Speaker 1: get nervous, particularly their comedians, because it's kind of comedians
Speaker 1: judging comedy, which sometimes they're not even comfortable with us.
Speaker 1: So relieved recently, and Lizzie, who really loved This is
Speaker 1: Spinal Tap. In fact, if she hadn't have enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have put it. To be honest, I
Speaker 1: would have said, Lizzie, let's just do another one. Thankfully
Speaker 1: that situation didn't arise. But brother, g I'm rap you
Speaker 1: love that film. I got a few chuckles out of it.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see, probably not on the on the
Speaker 1: you know, top portion of the list as far as
Speaker 1: classic movies go. Because of somebody, we are gonna be
Speaker 1: bit upset. Some people got upset that we did Madi
Speaker 1: in Manhattan with Ronnie Chang a little while ago, and
Speaker 1: I would argue, you know that made that in that
Speaker 1: genre of romantic comedies that made in Manhattan has its place.
Speaker 1: Could we make the same argument for The Brother Griensby.
Speaker 1: I'm not completely sure. Have you seen The Brother Griensby.
Speaker 1: You're being chepish over there.
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of it, But thanks to Michelle.
Speaker 1: Now you got check it out. Check it well, the
Speaker 1: very least Michelle's abouching for it. I think it's a
Speaker 1: funny film. I've said Baron Cohen, check it out. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you'll get plenty of last It's silly. It's like a spy,
Speaker 1: a spice spoof kind of film. I think you'll enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and you never know, we may get a guest into
Speaker 1: the chat about it. Thanks Michelle.
Speaker 2: Moving right along, here's one from Jason Carter.
Speaker 10: By guys, Jason here, just want to let you both
Speaker 10: know that loving the podcast. Although I'm struggling through fear
Speaker 10: and loathing in Las Vegas at the moment, it's one
Speaker 10: that I've got to catch up on. There's been a
Speaker 10: few lately that I haven't actually seen, and one of
Speaker 10: the cool things about the podcast is it's got me
Speaker 10: to pull my finger out and go and watch a
Speaker 10: few movies that I haven't made the effort to.
Speaker 6: Do on the path.
Speaker 10: So going pretty good, although I'm struggling with fear and loathing.
Speaker 10: So I'll get through it and then I can listen
Speaker 10: to that air. Remember a while ago you mentioned that
Speaker 10: you had a few guests that you wanted to have on,
Speaker 10: but you were struggling to find a movie that hadn't
Speaker 10: seen and I just wanted to throw out there.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could try some of.
Speaker 10: The original movies that won the Best Picture awards at
Speaker 10: the Academy Awards, things like Grand Hotel and Cimarron, which
Speaker 10: they're interesting movies. I don't know where the hell you'd
Speaker 10: find them. I think Cimmarron. I hide it on VHS.
Speaker 2: From a library about ten years ago, so it'll be.
Speaker 10: Out there somewhere.
Speaker 3: But something different and give you a chance to get
Speaker 3: I think Locke Hume was someone that you mentioned. Give
Speaker 3: you a chance to get some.
Speaker 10: Of those guys on the pod. So but I'm keep
Speaker 10: it up, really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Catch it later. Fantastic, Thank you, Jason, Love love all
Speaker 1: of that. If you're loathing in Las Vegas, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you may have discovered already now Jason. Was an interesting
Speaker 1: episode because that was with a good mate, Daniel, kind
Speaker 1: of a very funny comedian, and he was supposed to
Speaker 1: watch Lost in Translation, and as I was doing an introduction,
Speaker 1: he realized that he watched the wrong movie. So it
Speaker 1: was a bit of a different episode where we had
Speaker 1: to you know, pivot a bit and get through it
Speaker 1: because I hadn't watched Fears and Loathing Vegas recently. So yes,
Speaker 1: it was an interesting episode that one and I would
Speaker 1: love to go back and do Lost in Translation. We
Speaker 1: will definitely will do that. But yeah, like Fear Loathing
Speaker 1: is a tricky one and it's not for everyone. But
Speaker 1: funnily enough, I have an email here from a Wayne
Speaker 1: Perkins and this I wanted to read this out off
Speaker 1: the back of that, and Wayne says, hey, Pete and Derek,
Speaker 1: I was really interested in your discussion with Dan Connell
Speaker 1: about Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and the fact
Speaker 1: neither of you could get into it and you thought
Speaker 1: the characters were unlikable. And the late sixties and early seventies,
Speaker 1: hundred s Thompson was wildly popular with people like myself
Speaker 1: who were young and left these The movies was based
Speaker 1: on the book based on a Rolling Stone article for
Speaker 1: ninety seventy one. At that time, Thompson was popular because
Speaker 1: he wrote and did things we were thinking but would
Speaker 1: never be brave enough to do, and what you understandably
Speaker 1: now find unlikable. He dynamited Jack Nicholson's letterbox. But I digress.
Speaker 1: He was American of excess, which sadly overtook him to
Speaker 1: this day. I can quote vast passages from the book.
Speaker 1: Sorry to go on a bit, but I just just
Speaker 1: thought you might like a perspective of someone who was there,
Speaker 1: so to speak a friend of the pod, Wayne Perkins.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Wayne. And this demonstrates, Derek, why I love
Speaker 1: the community we are building, because it is tricky when
Speaker 1: we are talking about films that people out there love
Speaker 1: and we obviously I mean.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: In my defense a little bit, I have not probably
Speaker 1: given Fearing and Loathing in the Las Vegasy the Yasny
Speaker 1: treatment from my pec because it's funny. When I watch
Speaker 1: these films, knowing I need to discuss them, I look
Speaker 1: at them a bit deeper. So maybe if I had
Speaker 1: prepared by watching Fear and Loathing instead of Lost in Translation,
Speaker 1: which we agree to, I may have. I may find
Speaker 1: some things that I hadn't found when I first watched
Speaker 1: it off my own steam many years ago. But I
Speaker 1: love the respect I love the banner waving from Wayne.
Speaker 1: It's a film that means a lot to him and
Speaker 1: letting us know. I love that, Derek.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And the way Wayne feels about fear and loathing. That's
Speaker 7: the way I'm sitting here feeling about when.
Speaker 2: You were doing with Nail and I with Limo. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I lived in that disgusting house.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've kind of been there, maybe not in that era,
Speaker 7: but I know what he's saying. It's like, yeah, I've
Speaker 7: seen that and it wasn't so silly at the time,
Speaker 7: and yeah, it sort of fits in. I guess rock
Speaker 7: and roll people are that with spinal tap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So feel free to respectfully, which everyone
Speaker 1: seems to be so amazing. It's almost I'm almost like
Speaker 1: it's somebody filtering through these emails because they're all, even
Speaker 1: when they're disagreeing with things that have been said, so respectful.
Speaker 1: And the thing it's funny because one of the episodes
Speaker 1: I got a lot of attention was Punch Drunk Love
Speaker 1: with Hamish McDonald because one of my favorite films. He
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it so much, and some different opinions of
Speaker 1: how HAMI shandled it, how I handled it. Hamish and
Speaker 1: I both love that our discussion. We both love that episode.
Speaker 1: But Georgie Towney said to me afterwards, she said, you know,
Speaker 1: it's we often live our lives like wanting people to
Speaker 1: love the same stuff as we do. Like you know,
Speaker 1: and if you find a film that you love, you
Speaker 1: want everybody to love it. But sometimes the beauty is
Speaker 1: actually that you saw You saw the worth in that movie,
Speaker 1: and if others don't, that's okay. They'll see worth and
Speaker 1: and that kind of beauty in other films. As far
Speaker 1: as Fear and Loathing Las Vegas. Maybe I have to
Speaker 1: give it another chance beauty. Next week on the show,
Speaker 1: we were going to do a Christmas movie which I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen. In fact, I think Derek, your wife may
Speaker 1: have suggested this one. Merry Christmas, mister Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm wondering if the name is making us
Speaker 2: think it's is.
Speaker 1: It believe I haven't seen either, but I believe it's
Speaker 1: a war kind of movie set a Christmas time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know David Bowie in it. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: but when the thing is we're not going to do
Speaker 1: it because our guests who was very excited to be
Speaker 1: doing it and then had to pull out, and this happens.
Speaker 1: We are asking, you know, the best comedians and the
Speaker 1: best actors to come and do this podcast, so occasionally
Speaker 1: it does happen. So we've had the pivot. This time
Speaker 1: of year, obviously, it's a been tricky to get people in.
Speaker 1: So what we're doing in the grand tradition of Christmas
Speaker 1: flashback upsodes we will be doing sitting around a campfire
Speaker 1: toasting marshmallows Derek and I and reliving our favorite movies
Speaker 1: from the podcast that are Christmas related. So we'll be
Speaker 1: doing Die Hard with Tommy Little, we will be doing
Speaker 1: Gremlins with Trent Roberts. We will be doing It's a
Speaker 1: Wonderful Life with Broden Kelly from Nie Donna again, and
Speaker 1: we'll be doing last years controversial Christs episode Not Mean
Speaker 1: Girls Love Actually with Eddie Bannon. So we'll be playing
Speaker 1: our favorite moments from those episodes and also reading more
Speaker 1: of your feedback. We fell a bit behind, so we're
Speaker 1: going to read more of your feedback more of your
Speaker 1: speak pipes. Also, well you know how the rest of
Speaker 1: the season is going to end, so with that, and
Speaker 1: I've also announced now that there will be a live
Speaker 1: show happening at the Adelaide Fringe next year. Okay March eighteen,
Speaker 1: so Saturday, at five pm in a Garden of Unearthly Delights,
Speaker 1: I will be taking the stage for a very live
Speaker 1: edition of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet. Stay tuned for
Speaker 1: the guests. We are just confirming that I suspect there'll
Speaker 1: be multiple guests, but yes, stay tuned. So but you
Speaker 1: can get tickets now, So if you go to the
Speaker 1: adelad Fringe website booked tickets for You Ain't See Nothing Yet.
Speaker 1: Also my live show Deconstructed Origami about you know, things
Speaker 1: that are built up in tearing them down, the build
Speaker 1: them up again, and lots of different stuff. We'll be
Speaker 1: traveling around the country on sale now. We have Sydney
Speaker 1: on sale, we have Canberra on sale, and we have
Speaker 1: Brisbane and Adelaide on sale. The rest of the markets
Speaker 1: of Melbourne and Perth will follow and the more regional
Speaker 1: dates as well. You can buy tickets for both You
Speaker 1: Aint See Nothing Yet in Adelaide and they constructed our
Speaker 1: Gami in all those markets, and I'd love to see
Speaker 1: you at the last show. Obviously, it's a new a
Speaker 1: year for me. I've left the project really looking forward
Speaker 1: against duck in some more live stand up, being able
Speaker 1: to increase the size of the tours that I do
Speaker 1: not necessarily in rooms. Actually I'm really keen to play
Speaker 1: smaller rooms if you like, and play, but do more shows.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you feel like coming along and saying
Speaker 1: hi and supporting me my new life, I would love
Speaker 1: to see you there. But until next week where it's
Speaker 1: a very special Christmas episode. If you ain't seen nothing
Speaker 1: yet until then, get your shopping done and by for now.
Speaker 6: And so we leave old Pete, save man Salt, and
Speaker 6: to our friends of the radio audience, we've been a
Speaker 6: pleasant good name.
Speaker 4: Zero