1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Just imagine your day in the office involved doing something 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: for a large group of people. But these people know 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: the words that you're about to say and the songs 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: that you're about to sing, and they have huge expectations. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: The pressure of being a performer and playing a role 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: like the Phantom of the Opera is pretty much as 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: intense as it comes. But for musical theater star Josh Pitterman, 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: this is just another day in the office, night after night. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, Josh had his debut as Phantom on 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: the West End in London, and before that he's appeared 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: in many musicals across Australia and the UK, as well 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: as performing as one of the ten in the international 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: pop opera group The Ten Tenors. So what does Josh 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: do on a daily basis to make sure he's always 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: at his a game? And how does Josh keep things fresh? 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: And it's his two hundredth night in a row performing 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: as a phantom, And what did Josh learn from Ash 18 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Barty's mindset coach that was an absolute game changer. My 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: name is doctor Amett the Imba. I'm an organizational psychologist 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: and the founder of behavioral science consultancy invent him, and 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: this is how I work a show about how to 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: help you do your best work. Whenever I go to 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: the theater, I'm always curious as to how the performers 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: are feeling and what they're doing in the few seconds 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: before they step onto the stage. 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: So I asked, Josh, what would I see him doing? 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: Oh, someone who's probably turning back at you and saying, 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: Chucker's mate. 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: I'd like to think that before I go on stage, 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: I'm sharing that moment with anyone who who's with me, Like. 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: Are you feeling nervous or excited? 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: I think it's like not one of those feelings that's 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: always the same. It shifts and changes depending on what 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: I'm experiencing within my own life, what I'm experiencing outside 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: of the walls of the theater, and what I'm experiencing 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: just on any given day, you know, I might be 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: feeling just so fresh and in you know, great great 39 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: voice and great spirits, and I'm just like, you know, 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: really just excited to get out there. But then there's 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: days where it's like, oh, this is show sixty four 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: in a row, the last you know, done eight a 43 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: week for the last eight weeks. And I'm just spent, 44 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: and I'm just thinking just zone in and sort of 45 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: get through this and have a day off on the 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: other side or whatever. You know. 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: So it. 48 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: Differs from from moment to moment, but generally ends up 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: having regardless of what I'm feeling before on I'm on 50 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: is Doctor footlights just takes over and I'm just sort 51 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: of swept up by the magic of the moment of 52 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: being on stage, no matter when I'm on stage. 53 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds quite magical. 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: On those days where you know it's show sixty four 55 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: and you're just not feeling it, what does your pre 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: show almost warm up or prep look like to get 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: you into the zone that you need to be in. 58 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, such a good question. Ultimately that doesn't really change 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: for me. So you know, let's say I was doing Phantom, 60 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: for example, I always arrive in the makeup chair, having 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: already come into the theater about an hour before that, 62 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: and meditated for twenty minutes and done some sort of 63 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: light movement and stretching, sort of yoga flowish sort of stuff, 64 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: and had a decent seeing like a good warm up 65 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: and pretty juicy sing and probably something light to eat, 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: and then an hour before the show starts, I'd step 67 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: into the makeup chair and just have good chats with 68 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: you know, makeup artists. And my dress room doors always open, 69 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: so whoever comes past would be stopping by and having 70 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: a chat, hopefully if they can bear me, and just. 71 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 4: Just you know, enjoying the community. 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 3: Of the theater and the relationships and the backstage vibe 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: and whatnot. And so the makeup experience would take the 74 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: best part of an hour, and then the curtain goes 75 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: up and Phantom doesn't arrive for another twenty minutes on stage, 76 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: and so I'd go back out, having been all made up, 77 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 3: get my costume on, and do a little secondary like 78 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: little focus meditation three minutes, five minutes, but of body 79 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: awareness stuff, just bringing myself back into the present moment, 80 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: sort of just get not warm up the voice, but 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: just get the voice cooking again after you know, not 82 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 3: having sung for the best part of an hour or so. 83 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: And then the final thing I do is look into 84 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: the mirror. I have a bunch of notes on that 85 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: mirror that have words that might inspire me for that 86 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: particular show. So a word like animal or danger or 87 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: romance or something just a little nuanced taking oh, yeah, 88 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: I'm feeling a bit dangerous tonight, or I'm feeling a 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 3: bit romantic tonight, whatever it is. And then the final 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: thing I do is look into the mirror and pop 91 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: the mask on in a very ritualistic sort of manner. 92 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: That's the final thing I do before I step out 93 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: on stage. So I'm big with routine and I'm big 94 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: with rituals. 95 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: How do you keep things fresh? I just find it 96 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: mind boggling that idea of keeping things fresh after you've done, 97 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe two hundred performances of the exact same thing. 98 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a question I get asked a lot, Amantha. 99 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: And my theory is that. 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: I don't even think about it being the same show 101 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: because it's not, because it's a new moment in time. 102 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: Every time I go out there, it's not redoing what 103 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: I did the night before. It's present moment stuff. So 104 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: it's new. It's a new audience. We might have new 105 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: cast members on stage or people in different plots, because 106 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: it's very rare that in any show that you get 107 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: the forecast on every night, there's always a swing or 108 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: an understudy coming on, so there's always different, different energy. 109 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: I go back to that stuff that I have on 110 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: the mirror. There's normally like eight to ten words up 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: there for any show I do, and they also helped 112 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 3: me keep it fresh that you know. As I said, 113 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: I took animal and danger and romance, but for Phantom 114 00:06:54,360 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: there are words like wordsmith, magician, magnificus, an obsession, and 115 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: I take on these words and they just be like 116 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: little embers to inspire a sort of flame within me 117 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: for something just subtly different, subtly nuance, store or new. 118 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious as to how you go about memorizing everything 119 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: that needs to be memorized when you start a new show. 120 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Something that I sort of have always taken with me 121 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: I learned very early in my career when it comes 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: to learning lines is I always do it before I 123 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: go to bed at night, and the first thing I 124 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: do when I wake up, so I sort of dream 125 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: on it and then reiterate that as soon as I 126 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: get up, so it just just gets it into that 127 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: part of my brain quicker. And music, I just don't 128 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: know why, but I just pick that up very quickly. 129 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: So it's probably in order of ease for me is music, 130 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: then lines, and far down the bottom sitting on the 131 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: bottom the latter's choreography, but. 132 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: Patients practice time, you know. 133 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: It's also yeah, it's all a muscle that you just 134 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: get better at using. And we all have our muscles 135 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: in whatever career we have that we just get good 136 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: at doing certain things that we have to do on repeat. 137 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: I like that trick about sort of taking advantage of 138 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: that time before you go to sleep, and you know, 139 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: that's such a good time for things to seep into your. 140 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: Memory totally in all sorts of ways too, And if 141 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: there's things that you're wanting to like bring, I feel 142 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: like more into your life. And you know, when I'm 143 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: not doing script work and not being a full and 144 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: scrolling or I go to bed, I tend to journal 145 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: before I go to bed, and their journal when I 146 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: get up as well, and they it tends to sort 147 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: of implement certain behavioral patterns into my psyche and system. 148 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: So I feel like there's a lot in that on 149 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: multiple fronts. 150 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: AH, tell me about the journaling, What like, are you 151 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: journaling with a purpose or with specific questions in mind? 152 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: What does that look like before bed? 153 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: And then in the morning, Well in the morning for 154 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: the best place to start, because that's how it feels 155 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: like it starts to me. So I always write down 156 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 3: three things that I'm grateful for, because gratitude thinks likely 157 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: just such an important thing to foster and to nurture 158 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 3: within our own selves. I think we do get caught 159 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: up in the I guess, the ascensionistic nature of life 160 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 3: and the consumeristic nature of life, of wanting to achieve 161 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: more and wanting to bring more into our lives. And 162 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: not that there's anything wrong with dreaming or manifesting or whatever, 163 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: but when we do that from a scarcity of mentality, 164 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: it's normally because we're not grateful for what we do 165 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: have now. So it's just a constant reminder of all 166 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: the wonderful things I do have in my life and 167 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: being constantly appreciative of that, And there's something humbling and 168 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: grounding about that that I always find. So whether that's 169 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: just like in lockdown now in Sydney, just being in 170 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: BONDI just being grateful for access to like the beauty 171 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 3: of nature, being grateful for time with my with my 172 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: partner that I don't get in this way very very often, 173 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: Grateful for the friendships that I have and the brothers 174 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: and sisters in my life who always check in on 175 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: me and who I have beautiful relationships with, so there'd 176 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: be some examples. And then I write down some affirmations 177 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: or what I call unconditional i ams, So like I 178 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: am curious, I am kind, I am loving, I am humble, 179 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: I am passionate. You know, things that, no matter what 180 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: the situation, cod this that the other you can't take 181 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: away from, nothing could take away from me. Whereas if 182 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: I wrote down I am the fan of the opera, well, 183 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 3: you know I get to do that when I'm performing 184 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: in that role. But when I'm not right now, I'm not. 185 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: So things that are unconditional. And then three intentions. So 186 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 3: what I call I wills in terms of acts of 187 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: service to either myself that couldn't benefit my greater community 188 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: and my relationships, or directly to my relationships. So I 189 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 3: will meditate today twice because I know that brings a 190 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: more calm, measured, discerning version of myself to the outside world. 191 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: Or I will smile at a stranger, or I will 192 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: help the help someone with their shopping, or you know, 193 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: just ways of just minor acts of or major acts 194 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 3: of service. And then after that, if I feel that 195 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: the need I just freehand write whatever sort of on 196 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: my mind, and then at night it's more around like 197 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: how did I go with those things? Did I uphold 198 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 3: those things that I set out for the day? And 199 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: then any to do this stuff that I've really got 200 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: to do that tomorrow I've got a So it's like 201 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: a wrapping up of the day and setting up for 202 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: the following day. 203 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: Now you've mentioned meditation a few times. 204 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: Can you tell me about what kind of meditation you do? 205 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: What does that look like? 206 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, do you meditate? 207 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: I have tried, unsuccessfully, and I know that that is 208 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: not a thing being an unsuccessful meditator. I've found hypnotherapy 209 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot more effective, which kind of gets me into 210 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: a similar state. But I just find it easy. I 211 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: find the whole process easier and possitively because I grew 212 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: up with a mother who's a clinical psychologist but specializes 213 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: and also teaches hypnotherapy so amazing. 214 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: So that's quite familiar to me. 215 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: Whereas when I've tried meditation, I struggled, and I feel 216 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: like I know that it's a practice. It's a practice 217 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: for a reason. You know you don't get perfect at it. 218 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: But I found it difficult to get into a meditation habit. 219 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: And what do you find challenging about it? Because I'm 220 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: really I'm really interested in this because I feel like 221 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: certain things come up for people when they meditate that 222 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: that you know, leads them of course, or. 223 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: Puts them off doing it all together. 224 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: I think for me it was it was that sense 225 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: of like, I'm not making progress, I'm not feeling the impact. 226 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,239 Speaker 1: And I think I struggled with the idea that from 227 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think various practitioners they said, well, you know, 228 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: you need to do it every day for a few 229 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: weeks to feel an impact, whereas I feel like when 230 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: I use hypnotherapy, I feel the difference, you know, in 231 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: terms of whatever the sort of the purpose of the 232 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: of the hypnosis is for. So I think it's that, yeah, 233 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: that that lack of that immediate kind of visitive reinforcement 234 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: if you. 235 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: Like to keep going. 236 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally hear that. I think you're so not 237 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: alone there. And whether it's hypnotherapy or for some people 238 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: that might be psychedelics or you know, things like psilocybin 239 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 3: or whatever, they just want to have that extreme conscious 240 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: awakening or transcendent experience or that that. 241 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: Is totally yeah. 242 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's totally transcending, and that meditation although can achieve 243 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: a level of that, they want it instantaneously. And I 244 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 3: think it's a thing not to like knock that it's 245 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: a thing that I feel like is really pertinent or 246 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: pervades our society a lot. Is that the idea of immediacy, 247 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 3: of needing things quickly, there's a there's sort of beauty 248 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: in just practicing a practice and just develop being things 249 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: slowly and taking time and not winning or achieving or 250 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: or feeling like you're you're making progress, Like it's just 251 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: the practice is the practice. 252 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: You're going to have good days, bad days. Sometimes I 253 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 4: meditate and. 254 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: It's it's like, you know, not particularly gratifying, and some 255 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: days I meditate and it's extremely gratifying. 256 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: That's what meditation does for me. 257 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: So I teach a couple of different forms of meditation 258 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: when I'm not performing. And that sort of came to 259 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: me going around a long way of talking about this, 260 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: but it sort of came to me from a lot 261 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: of performance anxiety, stress, panic attacks, all that sort of 262 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: yucky mental health stuff that I was dealing with sort 263 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: of two thousand and fifteenish, well, from thirteen to fifteen 264 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: and it's got to a point where I was like, 265 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: this is not sustainable like that. I can't exist like this. 266 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: Something has to shift, and apart from having some therapy 267 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: around that, I started meditating using a technique called one 268 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: Giant Mind, which is a form of a being technique 269 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: or a form of transcendental style meditation using a manthra. 270 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: And that really really helped. 271 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: And so subsequently in Lockdown last year, I decided to 272 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: do the four or five month teacher training on that 273 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: so I could teach that to a lot of other people, 274 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: because I felt like people are really suffering with their 275 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: mental health and that was a way I could be 276 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: of service if we get back to the eye wheels. 277 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: But since twenty fifteen, I've explored all sorts of other meditations, 278 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 3: from heart math to mindfulness, to sort of chakra stuff 279 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: to visualization, tantric Kundalini yoga has a fit of that, 280 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: lot of breath work, all sorts of different things that 281 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: I've played in, and so I tend to teach other 282 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: than One Giant Mind. I tend to teach a heart 283 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: opening style mindfulness meditation, and that's yes something that I've 284 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: decided that I need to offer more people. So, like 285 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 3: every Sunday night at five o'clock during the Sydney Lockdown, 286 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: I just have been running these free zoom sessions for 287 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 3: anyone and everyone who from anywhere in the world who 288 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: seems to confine them through my Instagram bio that you 289 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: just pop on and it's a twenty minute guarded meditation 290 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 3: and everyone says thanks and sends love to each other 291 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: and see you later. So it's been a big journey meditation, 292 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: as you can see by sort of the whole exploration 293 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: of the last five or so minutes talking about it. 294 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: But it plays a big part in my life, and 295 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 3: I meditate twice a day and it's just something I 296 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: hold very dear, especially in the chaos of the outside 297 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: world at the moment. To have a really have strong 298 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: practices that enable calm and unstressing within your inside world, 299 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: I think is really important. 300 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: We will be back soon with Josh and talking about 301 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: what he learned from Ash Barty's Mindset Coach that was 302 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: an absolute game changer for him. 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That's how I Work dot c O. 310 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: I want to know about health in general, because like, 311 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: I use my voice a fair bit for what I 312 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: do through keynote, speaking in the podcast, and so on, 313 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: but no where, but it's nowhere near as much as 314 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: you would be using yours, particularly when you in the 315 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: middle of the season and you're doing eight shows a week, 316 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: and I want to know how do you keep your 317 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: vocal health and also your physical health like to where 318 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: it needs to be. 319 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you're doing every day. 320 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 3: I'm big on, as you can tell, quite a spiritual thinker, 321 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: and I see things and maybe some unusual ways, but 322 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: I do look at vocal health under the sort of 323 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: pillars of physical, emotional, mental, spiritual, soulf or health, because 324 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: when one is out of whack, it does affect your voice. 325 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 3: You know, if your emotional health is not right, it's 326 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: going to affect your voice. If your physical health is 327 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: not in a good place, it does affect your voice. 328 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: If your nutrition is not great, you know, it can 329 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: affect your voice. You know, acid reflux and all of 330 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: that affect your voice. So it's multiple things, but on 331 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 3: a basic sort of level. Rest So when I finish, 332 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: let's say, if phantom is always a good example, after 333 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, saying good eight to people at stage door, 334 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: I don't say a word after that until midday the 335 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: next day, or if it's a matinee day, maybe eleven 336 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: am the next day. So just about thirteen hours of 337 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: just silence. And that is really challenging on relationships and 338 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: requires the people who or the person who loves me 339 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: most bloody too, to just be so compassionate and understanding 340 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: and develop a great ability to lip read and to 341 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: have immense patience. 342 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 4: So I am ever grateful for how she cares and 343 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: loves me in that way. 344 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: And hydration, I think I'd end up drinking on a show, 345 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: like four to five liters of water a day, Like 346 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: it's just wow, so much hydra agent and steam is 347 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: one thing that I'll do after a show when I 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 3: get back home is just I have a little little steamer, 349 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: little steamy pot and steam my voice because steam actually 350 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: can It's like an anti in flam for the cords, 351 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: and water can't get into the cords cords, although it 352 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 3: will naturally hydrate over a period of time, but steam 353 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: sort of directly gets the courts. So yeah, rest water steam. 354 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 3: But then yeah, like not eating late at night. It 355 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: really is one of the hardest ones that are all 356 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: people in the h show a week world struggle with 357 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 3: because you get home and your bloody starving. But if 358 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: you if you eat too much, you eat the wrong things, 359 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: you know, you end up like having acid reflux during 360 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: the night, and then that is actually burning your cords. 361 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: Wow, what do your vocal warm ups look like? Because 362 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: you made you'll do a vocal warm up before you're 363 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: in the makeup chair, and then you'll do sort of 364 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: a brief kind. 365 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: Of yeah, that's before I go out, like the final 366 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 3: just have a bit of a thing. 367 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: To warm up. 368 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: I always start with some breath stuff, so set some 369 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 3: breath exercises to sort of get this, you know, the 370 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: breath is the support mechanism. And then I'll do some 371 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: lit trills so things like they sound funnier, just like 372 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: buzzing my lips together or that with my tongue out. 373 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: And then I'll do some sirens. I'm like a M, 374 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: like a ng sort of sounds, and then I'll do 375 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 3: all my vowels and my scales, so my r and 376 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: my scales, and then and then I'll start and so 377 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 3: I'll go all the way up and down my range 378 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: and see where my voice, what my voice is feeling 379 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: like that day, iron out any little cobwebs. It's sort 380 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: of like a cricketer in the nets, you know, just 381 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: like you know, facing enough balls to sort of iron 382 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: out his stuff. And I know Steve Smith, like who's 383 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: certainly not a singer but a very great cricketer, sometimes says, oh, 384 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: it takes a thousand balls for me to feel like 385 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: I'm in the zone, and sometimes it takes two balls. 386 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: And sometimes I feel like that with my singing that 387 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: you go, you know, I warm up for thirty second 388 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: of my it's all cooking, and sometimes it's like more 389 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: like fifteen twenty minutes to go, ah, yeah, yeah, we 390 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: just need to iron out that cob web there, and 391 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 3: you know, sort that little bit out, just iron over 392 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: that little. 393 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 4: Passage in the voice. And yeah. 394 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: So it's it takes a long time to develop that 395 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: level of understanding about the voice. 396 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: But that's really what I do. 397 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: And then I start singing some material that I'm going 398 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: to sing that night, you know, so maybe sing a 399 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: bit of music of the night or a part of 400 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 3: the show that I'm just you know, the night before 401 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: or that week. It felt a bit technically funny, you know, 402 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: so just just to iron those couplebs up there. 403 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Now, something I didn't you until myself and my producer 404 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: did research for this show is that you've been doing 405 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: work with a mindset coach, and not just any mindset coach, 406 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: but the same one that Ash Barty uses, Ben Crow, 407 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: And I want to know what have been some of 408 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: the key things that You've learned from that relationship. 409 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 3: First and foremost, I learned that Ben Crow is a 410 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 3: freaking amazing human and if people aren't following Mojo Crow 411 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: on Instagram or have him downloaded the Mojo Crow app, 412 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: then get on it. He's so intelligent and sightful and practical. 413 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: What I learned first and foremost is something I've been 414 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: working on for a while and I've been getting feeling 415 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: much better about, which is owning my story. And when 416 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: I say owning my story, Watson, all shame and all 417 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: everything that I've experienced in my life that I'm proud 418 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: of or not proud of, holding space to have to 419 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 3: share that and acknowledging that I'm not perfect, but I'm 420 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: enough and unconditionally loving myself regardless of anything. And I 421 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: think that's so important for anyone who's in a performance 422 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: based world where you feel like your self worth can 423 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 3: be governed by the last performance you did, or you know, 424 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 3: whether you're doing that really important gig or not, and 425 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: your self worth is so far beyond that. It's helped 426 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: me to fine tune I guess my deeper purpose, which 427 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 3: is also something I'd be working on a lot. I 428 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: think purpose is something that we don't talk about a 429 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: lot in life. In terms of deeper purpose, I think 430 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: we have condition purposes once again, where you know, I'm 431 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: a doctor or I'm a lawyer, it's my purpose to 432 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: do that, but or I'm a singer or whatever it is. 433 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 3: But there's times when we don't do that. So once again, 434 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 3: are we worthy when we don't do that? 435 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: Well, No, we need to have deeper purposes than that. 436 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: And so. 437 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 3: He helped Ben helped me get that into a paragraph 438 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: or a few sentences that make me, you know, feel 439 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: like I can, regardless of all the things that are 440 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: out of my control and this big, bad world at 441 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 3: the moment, I can still fulfill my purpose. 442 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: How did he do that? I mean that sounds fascinating. 443 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, for Ash, I think it is 444 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 3: to inspire Ash party and inspire young Indigenous boys and 445 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: girls to achieve their dreams, because everyone deserves to have 446 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: that opportunity. And I'm paraphrasing them, but I think that's 447 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: something along those lines. So whether Ash winds Wimbledon or doesn't, 448 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: she's achieved that purpose. 449 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: And for me it's you know, I get spiritual, poetic 450 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 4: because that's me, but. 451 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: It's opening gates to a non ordinary world, a place 452 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: of colors and feelings and depth and emotion and and 453 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: getting out of the black and whites of life so 454 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: that we all know what it means to feel and 455 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: embody the wholeness of being human. 456 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: How did you get to that point? 457 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Because I mean that that sounds amazing, Like like both 458 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: those purposes like yours and Ashes sort of sense she 459 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: was down my spine. How like what sort of questions 460 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: did I don't know, did Ben ask of your exercises 461 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: to go through to get to that. 462 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: It's it's funny that there's there's a lot of this 463 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 3: this on on the app. But for me with with purpose, 464 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: you know that chat with Ben. I knew that going 465 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: in because I'd been doing a lot of work around there. 466 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: I'd spent a lot of twenty twenty going hang on, 467 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 3: if I'm not playing phantom at the moment, why am 468 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 3: I feeling this way? Ah, It's because my identity is 469 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: caught up with this show or that role or that, 470 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: and therefore my identity is caught up with it. My 471 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: self worth is conditional on that, and then if something 472 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 3: comes in like a COVID or something that's out of 473 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: my control, then my self worth is diminished because of 474 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 3: something that was out of my control. Now that's not 475 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: a sustainable way to live. So I had to find 476 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: what that deeper purpose was, and it was an exploration 477 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: of my passions. And my passions are conversation, meditation, and performance. 478 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 3: And I've worked out that through conversation I get to 479 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: access that purpose that I was talking about, that opening 480 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: the gates to a nordinary world, which we've done today 481 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: in you know, talking about things in different ways, definitely 482 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: in meditation, because that's the inward journey, and certainly in performance, 483 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: because the arts is all about the in betweens, the colors, 484 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: the subjectivity. Art is not black and white. It's all 485 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: the colors. And I think profoundly maybe that's what we're 486 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: missing in society at the moment. We have a lot 487 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: of binary issues and dichotomies in the political and COVID landscape. 488 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 4: Are you acts? No? 489 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: Oh, well then you're anti vacs? Are you Biden? No oh, 490 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 3: then your pro truck like people like don't find the 491 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 3: in betweens in life at the moment, because that's what 492 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: social media and media is throwing at us. So I'm 493 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: all about finding those in betweens and using those things 494 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 3: that I do as a vehicle for the deeper purpose. 495 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: How does that help in terms of dealing with all 496 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: the criticism and rejection that comes from a career in 497 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: the arts. 498 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another thing that Ben certainly help me with. 499 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 3: He's got this great philosophy around results and outcomes, and 500 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: it's so simple, and I love him for explain it 501 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: to me in the most simplest terms. So he says, 502 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: every result is an equation, and the equation is a 503 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: which is your a game, which is your skill set 504 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: and your mindset that you bring to the experience or situation. 505 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 3: Times B and B is everything you can't control, what 506 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: someone thinks of you, or what someone says, that reviewer, 507 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 3: what the other actor is doing in my case, or 508 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: the lighting guy or the sound guy, the technical guys, 509 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 3: or all the things that are out of my control. 510 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: Performance anxiety certainly comes from focusing on B everything you 511 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 3: can't control and trying to control it. And we do 512 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: a lot of that in all our lives. It's not 513 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: just in those performances. It's in relationships, it's at workplaces, 514 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: it's with COVID. You know, we we we find you 515 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 3: know that that we do spend a lot of time 516 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 3: on B. But if I do, if I, in my 517 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: honest world, say that I brought my a game, my 518 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: best version of my skill set and my mindset to 519 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 3: this situation. 520 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 4: Well then I've done. 521 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: I've done all I can And then you know, whether 522 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: they liked me in the audition room is out of 523 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: my control, or whether they the reviewers like me, or 524 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: Andrew Lloyd Webber liked me or whatever. You know, we 525 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: can't be liked by everyone. 526 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 4: That's just life. 527 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: But if we spend our time trying to and keep 528 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 3: shifting and camealing in ourselves to do that and adapting 529 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: and changing in ways that aren't authentic to us. Then 530 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: it doesn't help us because we're just we're not We're 531 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: playing the guessing game with ourselves and with everyone else. 532 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: Love that it's such a great way of looking at 533 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: things and also just such a great way of managing 534 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: nerves as well. I feel like that's such an eloquent 535 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: way of and simple way of thinking about things. 536 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: And it means that, you know, if let's say, you know, 537 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: I get to music of the night and I crack 538 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 3: on the beg high note one night, which has happened? 539 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 3: Do I come out of that and go? I can 540 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 3: come out of that and go was that skill set 541 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: or was that mindset? Or was that me focusing on 542 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: b you know, And so you can objectively zoom out 543 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: and look at that situation, go. 544 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: You know what, I'm just bloody tired. You know. 545 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: It is show sixty four in a row, and I'm 546 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: human and I'm not perfect, but I'm enough, and you know, 547 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: and all I need is a couple of days of 548 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: rest and I'll be back and I'll be seeing it 549 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: or I was obsessing over someone in the audience, so 550 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: I really wanted to impress and was getting nervous around 551 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: that so that you know you can and then you know, 552 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 3: self sabotaged, you know that that sort of thing or 553 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: was it? Yeah, it was a purely technical that I 554 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: just didn't take a good enough supporting breath before I 555 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 3: got to that note. Ah, Okay, I can fix that 556 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: up tomorrow, you know. So yeah, the ability to be 557 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 3: objective in those situations helps with that, with that theory, 558 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: But ultimately, what Ben helped me most was, and I 559 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: guess what I was after was I had times in 560 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: my career where I felt like that limitless, invincible flow state, 561 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 3: like what people say being in the zone is. And 562 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: I know, like, you know, I keep coming back to 563 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: tennis because the sport I love. But I think we've 564 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: all seen like you know, Rafa or Federer or Jopovich, 565 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: you know those guys, especially because they've been the top 566 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: for so long. What is it Levell won twenty grand 567 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: stands each or something now, which is ludicrous that you've 568 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: seen those moments where they're just like they're impenetrable and 569 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: everything is so free, and like especially look at federer, 570 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 3: because there's so much grace in his gameplay, like where 571 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: that backhand could like it's just like he's got it 572 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 3: on a string. And conversely, I'm sure we've seen times 573 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 3: when you go, oh, it's probably a bit in his 574 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 3: head at the moment. So how do you bottle that 575 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: zone feeling? And so Ben gave me some real tips 576 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 3: and visualization meditations around how I can can work on that, 577 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: because ultimately I feel like what's inside of me creatively 578 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: is can be really powerful. But how do I how 579 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 3: do I access that and ultimately get out of my 580 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 3: own way? 581 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: Not Josh. 582 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: For people that have been listen and want to connect 583 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: with you in some way or join in with all 584 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: the amazing work you're doing around meditation as well, what 585 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,879 Speaker 1: are the best ways for listeners to connect with you. 586 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 3: I think Instagram is my way of connecting with people 587 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: of most. I'm not on the other social media platforms 588 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 3: as much. So it's just Josh Pitterman, p I one 589 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: t M a N one in one T one in 590 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: Josh Pittman, and then you'll find me. 591 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 4: There'll be a picture of a guy in a. 592 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: Mask, and then the link to all those things in 593 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 3: my bio, so there's like you can watch performances and 594 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: stream my album, but also access all the meditation stuff too. 595 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 2: Amazing. 596 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: Josh, I've so loved this chat. I've taken so many 597 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: notes for myself. I'm so keen to try so many 598 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: of the things that you talked about. So thank you 599 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: so much for chatting with me. 600 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me Amantha. 601 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: Hello there. I hope you enjoyed my chat with Josh. 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